If you want to play a game that doesn't have magic in it at all, play a system that doesn't have magic in it at all.If you want to play a space adventure, play a system designed for space adventures.If you want to play a horror game, play a system designed for horror games.
>>97312825Why do you care? Are you stalking some poor stranger's tables or something?
who is this for. /tg/ hates dnd.
>>97312825Or what? What are you gonna do to stop me? Cry? Piss yourself?
>>97312825While you're right, list some examples, OP. Even if people disagree with them.
>>97312825No shit. Now list a system that you play.
>>97312825Make me bitch.>>97313060Not OP but some 5e Space Settings are>Esper Genesis>Rocket Age 5e>Dark Matter>Arcana of the Ancients>Spaceships & Spacewyrms>Advent Horizon>HyperlanesDon't know about horror games
>>97313266Apparently I clicked the wrong image
>>97313266>there’s this many 5e clones for this genre aloneTTRPGs are dead
>>97313275False advertising, right there on the cover.Typical of a product relating to D&D 5e.
>>97312825lol paizofags running scared
>>97312825>If you want to play a game that doesn't have magic in it at all, play a system that doesn't have magic in it at all.That's reasonable.If you want to play a space adventure, play a system designed for space adventures.There is no reason that 5e can't do space adventures. It's just a reskinning. >If you want to play a horror game, play a system designed for horror games.That's reasonable.
D&D 5e can pull off - if not necessarily ideally - anything that has combat. The people I do pity are the theater kids and cozy gaming girls who try to twist D&D into a fantasy life sim and improv game engine for drama. They would genuinely be way better off just trying to not play D&D.
>>97312825I agree, but we had the same problem back when 3.5 was the biggest game. Sadly, 5e is more forgiving, so people don't learn their lesson as quickly.
>>97312825Wotc-d&d is designed to reinforce a vicious cycle of "positive" feedback through sysmastery (or any approximation of it through familiarity), being structured on a strict framework (tactical combat with defined and rigid structure, vertical and niche protected advancement) on which the whole system develops on a per exception basis options, almost all of them being player facing content. Basically the more you delve into it the more wires your brain in following that pattern, for example facing the possibility of having a character you have designed in d&d realizable without convoluted and dissociated ways in other games causes an involuntary whiplash that tickles the sysmastery occupied part of the brain that immediately triggers a subconscious "wait that don't seem right ---> the game is probably weird or there's a fuckload of stuff i need to study for making it right" reaction.In short people keep hammering 5e on various unrelated stuff because wotc-d&d is designed to minimize the desire of branching off. Picrel is were it started.t. a guy from becmi and 2e era clearly remembering people eager to try any games other than d&d without issues.
Why is it people can't understand that the reason this is prevalent, is because people who already know DND see it as an advantage to be able to just start building/playing right away instead of needing to have everyone learn an entirely new system that they could very well never use again?
>>97314500a fucking advice dog formatted meme in 2026 baka
>>97314517>Why is it people can't understand that the reason this is prevalent, is because people who already know DND see it as an advantage to be able to just start building/playing right away instead of needing to have everyone learn an entirely new system that they could very well never use again?Bingo - it's not about the game, it's about the ecosystem.D&D is the UE5 of tabletop.
>>97314517>Why is it people can't understand that the reason this is prevalent, is because people who already know DNDIt's D&D not DND>see it as an advantage to be able to just start building/playing right away instead of needing to have everyone learn an entirely new system that they could very well never use again?Because more than often may require additional work in preparation that offsets that supposed advantage, at some point, if you need something flexible enough that accomodates variegated genres and pkaystyles, just learn a universal system (brp, genesys, fate, gurps, etc...) and be done with.The reason people keep relying on 5e is because of circular logic (everyone uses it so i have to use it) and this >>97314500
At least people using 5e for everything are playing games, unlike (you).
>>97314564Boomer board>>97314591The fact you take so much offense over some post (whatever it may be because you acted like a passive-aggressive faggot and not even quote it) is certainly telling of something. Struck a nerve perchance?
>>97314635>perchance?
>>97312825No fuck you. We're playing as stone age unga bungas in the middle of european colonization, you believe magic works but it doesn't and all your equipment is stone or wood. make multiple characters because you are going to get shot and then die of gangrene because your shamans magic is literally rubbing shit on your wound and chanting to the boogeyman. If you manage to survive long enough to learn to speak to your invaders you win.
>>97314822>win state is learning a languagethat's interesting, too bad you're trying to do that with the framework of D&D where you're supposed to solve everything with putting a sword through someone's head
>>97314392>There is no reason that 5e can't do space adventures. It's just a reskinning.nta but thats the fucking pointif you use 5e for everything you are just playing the same reskinned gamespace adventures can be drastically different in feel to western-structured renaissance-fair-inspired fantasy but you will never know it if you play the same western-structured renaissance-fair-inspired fantasy but everyone is wearing a "combat armor" instead of "plate mail"
>>97314856there rules for learning languages in down time and with feats, both of which are things that will take wild amounts of success fighting against objectively unfair odds to achieve.
>>97314517>why should I learn terraforming mars I already know how to play monopoly? Look here's a mars board and my homewritten house rules for monopoly it's just as good stop trying to make things so complicated
>>97312825I'm just not interested in learning a new system for every new campaign idea. I don't care enough for that anymore, especially spending time and effort into becoming proficient in it.
>>97314892NTA Space adventures are litreraly reskinned fantasy adventures. From flash Gordon and john carter of mars to star wars. The only thing that changes is the aesthetic and some naming conventions here and there.
>>97312825Why are you posting this here as if we were the people doing that?
I see so many games or source books ruin themselves by trying to jam an idea that doesn't work well in 5e. I also saw a couple players before try to argue with dms how the game would work better in 5e. For source books, you see so many promising settings that have barely any 5e rules just to say it is compatible with 5e. I saw a guy see a pirate book he had was not 5e, and then he spent ages trying to convert everything to be 5e. It barely worked and was a mess. It would have been easier and more fun to just run the game with the actual savage worlds rules.>Try to play 40k rpg>Player says he does not see why this game could not be run in 5e.>Want to run a transylvanian horror game where people are weak and have to exploit monsters' weaknesses?>Why not run this in 5e, strahd is there now! >Want to run an OSR or a clone>End up getting someone who asks why you can't do a good OSR style game in 5e.
>>97315322It would be faster to learn a generic system than it would be to adapt the fantasy superhero dungeon crawling game to a genre it isn't meant for.
>>97312825My group has been trying other systems and I keep just wanting to play 5e instead. I’m getting bored of rules light games where the gameplay is just attack and the adventures are run just like they would if they ran 5e
Thank god my groups are sane and capable or even eager of trying other systems.
>>97315322If all you want to play is some sort of permutation of d&d then i'm with you, for instance you want d&d in space? Spelljammer, post apocalyptic d&d? Darksun, horror d&d? Ravenloft, pseudoLotR d&d? Dragonlance, (magic)steampunk d&d? Eberron, etc... You do you. What defeats your point is taking d&d and mashing its rules to a pulp (as in creating new classes, gear, mechanics ex novo) for running a cyberpunk game or a 1820 murder mystery game, etc...
>>97314500I can confirm, there's a guy like that in my group. Always been a very invested 3.5 player, probably started even before that, before I knew him. He developed his character to epic levels and the world around him, all our campaigns were in this setting, one way or another. I can respect that committment, so I don't blame him for it.The problem is that he's so invested in D&D that he barely wants to try anything else, and when he does he's uncomfortable. We decided to throw him a bone and told him we would like to go back to classic fantasy stuff, if he was up for mastering it. The untold agreement was "we had enough of 3.5, so no more of that". We should have been more specific, as he proposed 5e. I was the main one against it but decided to give it a try, I was the main one GMing up to that point, I didn't want to look like I wanted to only do things my way. Sadly, the system isn't really holding up to scrutiny, and we're having different degrees of a miserable time. He's not taking it well, because he seemingly sees that as some kind of his personal failing, but now we're trying to nudge him into going back to 3.5 if he will feel better about it.
>>97314822>We're playing as stone age unga bungas in the middle of european colonization
>>97315322If you have to refluff everything to accomodate the new game, it's probably faster and less tedious to just learn a new system. Or, learn a universal one and be done with it once and for all.
>>97314517Learning a new system is a very low barrier to entry usually. I'm gm for a bunch of relative normies, and we've tried 6 different systems in the 2 years we've been playing with no issue.It's fucking hilarious to think about the fact that my random 28 year old colleague who joined my group because I promised free beer can play more systems than the vast majority of nerds in this hobby
>>97314499Yeah, people who started playing DnD because it's the most well-known system and refusing to learn another system when they want to play something outside of heroic fantasy has been an issue pretty much as long as DnD has been popular. Probably the most egregious case I've seen was someone running a science fiction game using 3.5e where the classes were reskinned as starship classes. No, I don't know how that worked out, but I assume terribly.5e is probably less bad at it than 3.5, but that's not saying much.
>>97315270I mean, that's how you average mom and dad work overall. Why do you think there's a re-skin of monopoly for everything.
>>97315322>for every newYou won't do it even once.
>>97315270>>why should I learn terraforming mars...well, why should I?
>>97315413But faster still is finding someone else's adaptation that already exists and just using it.You people act like every time someone says "I wanna to D&D but in space" they have to ground-up invent everything instead of just grabbing Hyperlanes or Star Wars 5e or the like.
>>97316290>Star Wars 5eI just threw up in my mouth.
>>97314577>It's D&D not DND
>>97316290>instead of just grabbing Hyperlanes or Star Wars 5e or the likeWhy would they do that, when they can just use base D&D 5e, the world's greatest TTRPG?As written, it can do everything you want it to; you shouldn't even need to use other rules for what you're looking for.
for me it's Tales of Argosa mixed with Kal Arath
Imagine if Skyrim was the most popular game of all time by an order of magnitude and people called video games ‘skyrims.' Skyrim costs ninety dollars and takes up half the average computers hard drive. People would be on Nexus making farming sim skyrim mods and it just has you kiling draugr but on a farm. And people used this to argue you just can't do farm simulation in video games. If anyone brought up stardew valley they'd be like >okay well first of all its presumptuous to assume i can afford a second video game or have space for it on my hard drive>when i play Skyrim i just run back and forth around the towns picking up all the cabbages for seven hours on end so i don’t see why i’d need a whole game programmed to be about farming>I can play skyrim the way i want to>stop gatekeeping gamingThat's what it's like to like TTRPGs other than D&D
>>97316604True
>>97316290>>97315322Why do you guys act as if learning a new system is this monstrous feat of effort?>becoming proficientAgain, you talk as if there's anything to become proficient about. Are you guys literally so braindead that reading a rulebook is the equivalent of running a marathon?>b-but gming skillsare transferable to all other RPGs. A good GM won't suddenly become bad just because he is using 1d100 or 3d6 instead of a d20.
>>97316604Imagine if modifying or even making a TTRPG had an exponentially lower barrier to entry than a medium that requires proficiency in multiple forms of asset design, knowledge of scripting, and fluency in a hyperspecific language to patch it all together without an overly expensive piece of hardware shitting itself because you misplaced a comma.Oh wait...
>>97315420Play better systems
>>97315322>I want to play an epic high fantasy campaign!>Okay, your character choices are Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Monk...>I want to play a noir campaign set in the 1920s!>Okay, your character choices are Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Monk...>I want to play a steampunk campaign!>Okay, your character choices are Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Monk...>I want to play an historic campaign set in the Three Kingdoms era of ancient China!>Okay, your character choices are Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Monk...>I want to play a hard scifi campaign like the Expanse!>Okay, your character choices are Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Monk...
>>97316760Name one
>>97316800>Faggot actually thinks 5e is unironically the best game of all timeKYS>inb4 "i'm waiting"Exalted
>>97317417I’ve not tried that one, which edition would you recommend? >ive not played 5e for months sadly
>>97316290Oh of course you weren't going to do something that would take any effort at all on your part. My expectations of you were still not low enough, my mistake.
>>97316657>Why do you guys act as if learning a new system is this monstrous feat of effort?Because when your IQ is below 90 it is.
>>97315322Do you want more people to be like you? Why are you sharing your miserable worldview like it somehow benefits us to agree with?
>>973176741e. Go in baby steps to learn about new system concepts. Also, the 1e core is the most compact.Downside to any edition: If someone wants to play a Lunar, you'll have to reskin the Alchemical Charms and shift some of their functions around.
>>97315384>Try to play 40k rpg>Player says he does not see why this game could not be run in 5e.Then they come out with that garbage Wrath & Glory RPG that's just a half-assed kitchen sink of all of the races/factions/etc with 5E rules.
>>97316657>Why do you guys act as if learning a new system is this monstrous feat of effort?Because a game is more than one person, you need everybody to be on the same page. That's ultimately still more time spent not playing when people already have limited time and opportunities to get together.
>>97316281They also used a bad example. Terraforming Mars is a terrible game. It's always that one friend that wants to play shit that takes forever to learn and turns out isn't even a good game. Like Founding Fathers. A friend wanted to play it so badly and keeps hounding us to play it when it's just a flat out bad game. Zero real player interaction and once someone gains the edge it's just running down the clock until they win.
>>97318588Basic requirement is you know the resolution mechanic and how the stuff on your own sheet works, it doesn't take longer than a few hours of reading if you have average IQ and the bare minimum interest in the game you're going to play.
>>97317674Essence is probably a good start - it's like 3e but boiled down a bit to be easier for newbies. I'd upload the PDF for you but it exceeds the file size limit and catbox isn't working for some reason. >>97286867 may be able to help you though.
>>97318698We can upload PDFs again now?
>>97316800GURPS. PF1e. There, that's two, and I spent literally zero effort to say it.
>>97318759I didn't know that was a thing they removed, honestly.>just triedShit, that's annoying.
>>97316657>Are you guys literally so braindead that reading a rulebook is the equivalent of running a marathon?For them, yes. It's longer than a sentence, so it's impossible. I don't mean like they're gonna whine about it. I mean it's physically impossible for them. Their brains fundamentally and physically lack the structures required to accomplish the task. You might as well as a quadriplegic to run a marathon.
>>97316800>That's shit because it's not D&D>No one plays that!>That one doesnt count>That game doesn't even have printed adventures!>Buy an adWe all know how this goes you disingenuous fuckstain
>>97316800Mage
>>97318819>GURPSLol, lmao even. Such a convoluted shitstain of a system. No thanks.>PF1eA game for people too pretentious for 5e but too retarded for anything that’s not d20 based.Of the plethora of options you picked the only 2 worse or as bad as 5e. Well done retard.
>>97314402No, it most certainly cannot.
>>97318354>>97318698I shall look, perhaps my group might enjoy>>97318868eat cock mad person. I want to talk about games on the game section.
>>97314635Nah, I don't play D&D. I don't need it anymore. I either make my own systems or play something fitting for what I want to play. But I also don't come here to whine about it... because I'm busy running or playing games, or preparing to do so most of the time anyway. Why did you resort to ad hominem? Struck a nerve, perchance?
>>97316800Depends on what you want. Which probably isn't what I want, because I'd know; if I want a system for something, rather than settle for something someone else made I just make my own.So I mean I can give you my drive folder, I've got functional systems for most of my autistic interests and even my own take on a Fantasy RPG (admittedly it's modern fantasy, but the experimental doc has a full set of rules for conversion to traditional fantasy so it's not an issue really). Other than that, I am the resident Digimon Digital Adventures shill, and even if 2e is a bit spotty it's probably better than 1.4 in most cases due to being better balanced and addressing a lot of 1.4's problems. If you wanna run digimon, do that instead of the DND hack I know exists (I've seen the wiki for it, it's fucking abysmal at emulating Digimon lol).
>>97314635Most boomers are dead, or have Alzheimer's/dementia by now.This never has, nor ever will be, a boomer board.
>>97319701Too bad, buy an ad and die.
>>97319600You're NTA so your opinion doesn't matter.>>97319701People often compare it with D&D by saying it's like D&D but you start at level 20. This is slightly misleading; the lowest-level Exalt would low diff any 20th-level D&D character. You are on par with demigods from the very beginning of the game.My post >>97318698 is semi-related. It's art the Storyteller commissioned of My character (he got one for everybody in the group). He was the de facto king of a small island nation and I got to have a legion of 1,000 soldiers that followed Me around and could be assigned to various tasks.
>>97316800Chronicles of Darkness 2e
>>97320170>Storyteller
>>97319939you're right it's a millennial board which is arguably worse. At least Gen X had creativity, you niggers have nothing.
>>97320314You need to be 18 or older to post here, kid.
>>97312825i don't, i use FATE for everything. i have no need for the dnd systems as i never run games set in that franchise
>>97320344Pinkertons en route to your house now.
>>97320296it's the name in that system
>>97312825He is not wrong. Though the main reason everyone uses it is that's often all they know and can get people to bother to learn. Most people don't want to learn a new system of play for a different setting. So they homebrew the shit out of 5e till they can make something work enough to play what they were wanting. Funny thing is you have "Systems" that are basically can be made to do anything but people don't use it cause everyone knows 5e.
>>97319911It took you a whole day to have the guts in actually quote and reply, at least it's an improvement. Now would you like to explained to the rest of the class what you found so odious to trigger your first response?>>97319939>he took it literallyPicrel
>>97320170>People often compare it with D&D by saying it's like D&D but you start at level 20. This is slightly misleading; the lowest-level Exalt would low diff any 20th-level D&D character. You are on par with demigods from the very beginning of the game.It depends on how heavily invested you are in something. Mercenaries who take the Second Breath and keep getting better at violence would be a tall order for high level D&D characters to take on, but someone who concentrates on Lore or Medicine might not be so great in a stand up fight, but with Lore, significant investment can unleash cataclysms that wipe out a D&D character's entire local setting. That, or grant some complete hax forged from chaos like a factory that produces automaton warriors, which then run roughshod over most D&D settings.
>>97318636>doesn't take longer than a few hoursDoesn't take longer than 5min for that, all the players need to know is what each (relevant) character sheet section mean, anything else can be learned progressively during play.
>>97320170Women in high boots make my pp hard.
>>97312825This is frankly what I hate about being a wizard/priest in modern games.You're not some luminary, some extreme paragon that manipulates the arcane or manifests miracle, you are Mage #4038 with a degree in Illusionism or Priest #3771 of [Generic God].It's so fucking stupid having magic and faith be so fucking mediocre and mundane.
>>97312825Reminds me of this NWN module: https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn2/module/al-andalusA lovingly crafted representation of Umayyad period Iberia, by a history nerd who cares about details and will lecture you on them (I think there was a history quiz somewhere you had to answer correctly?)...realized in the NEVERWINTER NIGHTS implementation of DND 3.5, of all things. Any emotion I had from the module was drowned out by the exasperated scream in my head: "Why?" I didn't play very far into it back in the day, but afaicremember, it meticulously avoided the supernatural. In DnD.
>>97322529Umayyad, bro?
>>97320798>It took you a whole day to have the guts in actually quote and reply, No, I just have actually games to run and play or systems to work on. In fact, I'm the one in charge of google sheets for an entire TTRPG so I have more important things to do than sit here and click refresh like (you). The fact you don't means you're just showing how pathetic you are.>Now would you like to explained to the rest of the class what you found so odious to trigger your first response?Faggots who whine about D&D are all nogames losers, because they're just contrarian subhuman faggots who hate it because it's popular.
>>97320798Right's superior.
>>97324236Ok, so you got enraged by some sort of fabricated scenario you enacted in your mind, good to know. I suggest medications as soon as possible, get well anon.
>>97320876You can do that too, yeah, you're just changing what you do during those hours. If you play as a caster of any kind you should read on how the magic works and learn the effects of your spells, or the game bogs down every other round.
