What's the weakest spell in the D&D magic user/wizard repertoire that could be used to proverbially "break the setting" in the hands of an asshole player with a bad GM?
>>97315178Eldritch Blast.
>>97315178Prestidigitation would be my vote.
>>97315178Locate City
>>97315555Granted, IIRC the Locate City Nuke relied on applying a bunch of high-level metamagic effects on the spell, so it was only technically low-level. And it also relied on a selective interpretation of the rules so a competent GM would shoot it down.
>>97315576PunPun relied on a selective interpretation of the rules, Locate City Nuke is strict RAW, it just combines half a dozen splatbooks to work.If we're talking Core-only, there's 5e Heat Metal, because it has no size limitation on the object being heated, so a single cast can generate absurd amount of thermal energy.
>>97315178A setting using the full spell list is broken by default, see the tippyverse
>>97315178Goodberry easily destroys the setting
>>97315632The tippyverse relies 90% on how magical traps works because WotC wrote them as a thing that is only supposed to be found in dungeons and ruins and similar as obstacles, and not something that can be scalable as a way to automate spellcasting
>>97315623>PunPun relied on a selective interpretation of the rulesHis tricks like using Pazuzu don't require any selective interpretation
>>97315779Didn't the entirety of Pun Pun rely on an ability of a remote monster that was written as "can be used to give creatures new abilities" without giving limits and leaving the DM to figure it?
>>973151781st ed, Levitate was fun sometimes.. If cast on another person and they fail the save, you can raise them ten feet a round to whatever height you want (limited by spell range and duration). Then when it ends, depending on how high they are, they fall to the ground, potentially taking huge amounts of falling damage (1d6 per ten feet) Up to 20d6 damage for a 2nd level spell is pretty overpowered and could even more if you set spears or a large fire beneath them.. It can be countered by magic users, flying or missile using enemies, but against powerful mellee enemies it can be a winner. I had a DM rage quite because I did this on his unbeatable BBEG mid monologue (He was expecting us just to cower in awe, not splatter him all over the pavement)
>>97315540A bad DM won't let Prestidigitation do anything, let alone break the game.
>>97315178Charm Person/Monster or Animate Dead. Whatever the DM sends at you ends up joining your ever growing army to fight the next encounter. Great for upsetting those DMs who like to preplan a string of 'balanced' encounters.
>>97316008By strict RAW you can always use it to shit other people's pants.Which is funny but does nothing, because soiled pants confer no penalty.
>>97315178Polymorph Other. Turn every monster you meet into a carrot. When the big fight happens, throw you bag of carrots into the middle of the room, cast Dispel Magic and run.
>>97315944Oh yeah, his "signature" power is Sarrukh's Manipulate Form. But he can ascend to godhood at level 1 thanks to Pazuzu
>>97316062>But he can ascend to godhood at level 1 thanks to PazuzuHow does that even work? The build online uses Ice Assassin to do that
>>97316119I dunno bout no pazuzu but ice assassin can make a clone of any creature that has it's exact abilities and memories and all that shit (doesn't even say you need to have seen the creature or be near it or anything, it's a very weird spell)So you make a god and have it give you divine ranks, you pass it along, you make more gods and you keep doing this, then you recall the ranks you passed along to yourself and you're now divine rank infinity
>>97315178Mage hand or Prestidigitation are the "weakest spells.
>>97315178Fuck off neckbeardia.
>>97315636Goodberry alone doesn't break much, it's only when combined with Create Water.
>>97315178Nahal's Reckless Dweomer - level 1
>>97315636And thats why Goodberry used to be cast on a berry, it didn't create one.Fun fact, Pumpkins and bananas are also berries so it works in different climates. I will leave you with this image.
>>97315486How? It's just a Xd8 attack
>>97316008A bad DM that ignores the rules and shuts down player options arbitrarily would do that to any spell, by your own logic.
>>97315178One of my players argued with me for an hour that he would be able to freeze water with a ray of frost spell (Pathfinder 1e so it could be cast basically every six seconds) since if it was cold enough to hurt someone it would be cold enough to freeze water. I said the ray passes harmlessly through the water so they instead put it in metal buckets and cast it on the metal buckets instead. Cheap and easy refrigeration invented in an instant.
>>97325594That is not how the magic or the physics work
>>97324913>Pumpkins and bananas are also berries>Strawberries, despite it being literally in the name, are not a berryNot sure wherther to blame botanists or etymologists but someone done fucked up.But yeah, creating food "out of thin air" is inherently silly.
>>97325625>creating food "out of thin air" is inherently silly.Yep, even Create Food and Water as a spell is third level. And by old setting standards a level 5/6 cleric would be so rare it is barely used. Even then their 3rd level slots would be prioritized elsewhere like scrying and healing.
>>97325618Why not? Ice magic makes bucket get cold, cold bucket freezes water. GG EZ
>>97325594Why wouldn't you let him freeze water in the first place.
>>97325755Thermal displacement. Spell Duration Instantaneous. Literally doesn't say it freezes things.Take you pick
>>97315178shrink item has already some logistic-breaking uses in 3.5/pathfinder, but pf2, despite having nerfed almost all other non-combat magic into being utterly boring, actually made it stronger. instead of scaling at 2 cubic feet per level, it can affect items the size of 20 cubic feet by default, and while it normally lasts only 1 day, the duration automatically becomes unlimited as long as the item has no room to expand.so you can walk around with pockets full of boulders, boats, small wagons and anything you want that's 20 cubic feet or smaller, just by shrinking something every day, at no cost other than a level 3 slot
>>97315178Friends
>>97328310Which version? It was kinda busted in BG1 and 2 because it let you access dialogue options gated behind "superhuman" charisma thanks to 2nd edition weird stat bonus scaling, but for non-scripted use it's just flat charisma bonus (with rather limited duration). And in 5e it's not even that, just advantage.I guess it could get you laid if you're enough of a quickshot to finish before the effect wears off, which might be considered life-changing significance for some people, but that's about it.
