Why are Warhammer fans like this?
The Navi likely would be so low on a strategic threat level that the Imperium would chuck a few million death worlders at the problem and call it a day.
Remember when you were a kid and everyone wanted to kill Barney? Same thing.
>>97323528Why do they make so many movies where white-coded human civilization gets btfo by barely sentient savages? Is it supposed to be based on historical events because uhhhhh... history tells a slightly different story.
>never ask the loyal son of the Emperor the species of his gf
>>97323596Name ten
>>97323596What movies do you have in mind?
>>97323596You mean "Why is everyone copying Dances With Wolves/The Last Samura". Also these movies almost always have White/White coded saviors for the savages that need Whitey to beat Whitey.
>>97323596Underdog story>No really, these primitives could totally beat a modern army and high-tech weapons with bows and arrows.Which is hilarious, because low-tech armies can beat higher tech ones - at a massive cost in lives.But it doesn't make a feel-good story>Battle of Isandlwana>1879>1,800 British soldiers vs 25,000 Zulu>Guns vs spears>Brits make a lot of strategic and tactical errors, loseZulu dead outnumber British dead by 3-1 ratioNavi could (maybe) beat the Colonial Marines, but there would be a lot of blue bodies on the floor at the end of it
Going native is cringe, civilizing the savages is based.
The rda is a corporation they aren’t a government body or military they are shitty PMCs propped up but midwit sci-fi fanboys
>>97323528Deathwatch probably but any guard regiment is enough to kill bliggers
>>97323682Any Imperial man who wouldn't is certifiably GAY in the eyes of the Emperor
>>97323631>low-tech armies can beat higher tech ones - at a massive cost in lives.As long as the low-teach army in on defense and has the home ground advantage the cost in lives doesn't even need to be that steep.In afghanistan bunch of goat herders with decades old weaponry managed to fend off occupation by one of the worlds superpowers. Twice.
>>97323698And they're still the only real face humanity is given in Ferngully, er, Avatar.
>>97323528Cause 40k fans are the ""BUT CAN HE BEAT GOKU THO" fans of scifiLiterally bullies punching down at easy targets You could pull out dozens of settings like Marvel and jerk off about the Hulk or some shit beating the snot out of Angron or a space marine chapter if you want to remind 40K fans where they stand
I noticed the seethe over avatar this time is different usually it’s light jesting but now it’s different and outright violence
>>97323711You are such a fuckin midwit
>>97323729The more anti-HFY fiction succeeds the more HFY fags seethe
>>97323729Critical drinker popular movie reviewer went on a cringe 40k rant in the middle of his review and now people are saying he’s right
>>97323729There's always a bigger bully though
>>97323733Because the simping scientists, the fursuiter, and the native raised kid equate to a totally balanced representation, totally. Idiot.
>>97323729i am noticing far less seethe and far more waifufagging over fire bitch
>>97323729Modern day internet and chuds being a major part online
>>97323748Warhammer fans are genuinely bigger bullies
>>97323767This, 2020 4chan culture is now mainstream
>>97323706>In afghanistan bunch of goat herders with decades old weaponry managed to fend off occupation by one of the worlds superpowers. Twice.both of those follow the pattern he talked about. The Afghanis paid dearly in both cases, and neither was a military victory, but a political one.
>>97323729It went from being jokes to genuine seethe that the Navi must die
>>97323631>Which is hilarious, because low-tech armies can beat higher tech ones - at a massive cost in lives.In the Ango-Zulu War, not only were the tech levels more evened out, but the British were operating with 19th century logistics on the other side of the world. While the British had firearms, so did the Zulus and a lot of combat still came down to sticking sharp things into each other. There was no armour, vehicles, air support, etc. to deal with.If we look at more modern conflicts where the rice farmers/sand people beat world powers, the underdogs received tons of foreign aid in training and materiel to even the field. In Vietnam, not only did Soviet back the initial independence against France, but kept pouring resources against the US. There were Soviet fighter pilots flying against US ones, even though both sides wanted to keep it under wraps as not to flame the Cold War further. In Afghanistan the US provided tons of weapons and training against the Soviets, and equally were the Taliban equipped and trained against the US decades later.
>>97323729Ive seen minimal seethe, 10% of the conversation is about how Cameron is a hack and 90% is about Navi GF
>>97323806You are a cum brain
>>97323528>caring about what 40kfags think as they regurgitate the same shitty joke they ran into the ground over 2 decades ago
40k is slowly being considered cringe now
I like all the deranged HFY seethe you get from these movies. The Navi win because they have giant dragons and stuff helping them and they're fighting a small occupying force that is many light years away from home
>>97323814...For reading other people's comments and reporting what people are saying?
>>97323729I have not seen anything, unless I go looking for it. Of course echo chambers gonna echo, but for the most part I've just seen people thirsting for the crazy.
>>97323729It's still that way, the only difference is that less normies are as taken in by the spectacle and novelty of Avatar as they used to be to shout down the comparatively small group of people that actually hate the Na'vi. From what I've seen, the movies haven't just somehow gotten worse and the seethe hasn't increased, people just have less and less to talk about once the movie's over outside of bored nerds and hfy larpers.
>>97323805>If we look at more modern conflicts where the rice farmers/sand people beat world powers, the underdogs received tons of foreign aid in training and materiel to even the field.Yeah, this is a major difference. I'd even venture to say that there is no real 1900s "other tech level" war, having no artillery doesn't mean you are using spears.
>>97323822Its been considered cringe since 2008 when it first started breaking meme containment and autists were posting "BURN THE HERETIC" memes everywhere.Thats okay though because its cringe I like and Autists just ruin everything related to nerd shit and I do not give a shit.
>>97323706>>97323788>3,500 US and western dead>80,000+ dead TalibanDecisive Tang victory
>>97323814hey fuck you retard, white human racists DESERVE cute psycho xeno gfs
>>97323579It's literally this.
>>97323834The movie made over a billion again let’s see slophammers Amazon shit do that
>>97323579JOY TO THE WORLDTHAT'S BARNEY'S DEADWE BARBEQUED HIS HEAD
>>97323626So like real life, then.
>>97323706>decades old weaponryAh yes, the traditional Afghan weapon, the stinger missile (which just entered US service during the conflict).
>>97323579
Yall just angry James Cameron does better world building than nu 40 k
>>97323566How would they survive without exopacks? What forge world even be willing to spend time manufacturing millions of exopacks for an invading army when they can just make guns to invade a planet with breathable atmosphere? That is assuming they have the right STC. it makes more sense to send in space marines because they have lungs and power armor that automatically filter out toxins. Or just do what the RDA is doing in the movies and slowly terraform the world over time while maintaining control over a small, resource rich part of the planet.
>>97323895Not a great challenge tough
>>97323900Nigga 40k has rebreather masks
>>97323528I will never understand why HFYfags latched on to the setting where humanity is a bunch of retarded and self-destructive space Catholics.
>>97323596>savage invaders = white codedWhy do you despise whites again?
Warhammer players are angry because they realize they're the next target now that DnD has fallen to the normies.
>>97323921Self identification
>>97323921Even as 40k goes woke it’s the only chud appeal setting
>>97323788Political victory is military victory. Same way as you don't call your enemy running out of food and ammunition "logistical victory".
>>97323631The coolest battle I know of in that vein is the "Matanza de Acentejo", where 3k prehistoric cavemen from the Canary Islands wiped out 1k Castilian renaissance soldiers (proto-conquistadors).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Acentejo
>>97323936getting rejected by Trench Crusade devs, it's back to good old 40k
>>97323953Fuck off arch/janovich
>>97323822>slowly>now???
>>97323917So a forge world is going to make millions of custom rebreather masks with tanks that just last for an hour? How does that make logistic sense? You can't wipe out the navi in one fell swoop just by sending the guard after them. You would have to exterminatus them or send in space marines.
>>97323706We killed so many of the Taliban that they fucking ran away to every neighboring country and hid in fucking caves so they didn't get drone striked into oblivion and just waited us out for 20 fucking years. Coalition losses are less than 4 thousand, Taliban losses were orders of magnitude higher.
>>97323869Cool, Spielberg made a lot of money yet again, who cares? Point is people saw the same movie three times now, so they just have less to say. They saw it, they were satisfied, that's the end of their experience. They don't go to websites like this to talk or seethe about it to anyone.
>>97323947Your occupier getting bored and leaving isn't a military victory.
>>97323925Man even if there might be some truth to this (which could easily be applied to other works) it's simply the fact that the only united front of humanity we see in this movie are cartoonishly retarded and evil. Imagine if these movies actually had some semblance of maturity and nuance and it was actually about the ups and downs of two races having to coexist, with some humans going native and some na'vi embracing human culture and materialism. That would be a much greater exploration of these themes than 'humans are retarded and aliums are heckin happy innocent little guys'
>>97323994Paying, outfitting and training an ally to resist for years if not decades and having it collapse in weeks is a military and strategical utter failure.
>>97323983That's a lot's of time and effort spent on achieving nothing.
>>97323994>burgers still seething over Vietnam
>>9732397940k has mass produced void suits and the Imperium sends specialized CBN troops like chem dogs to hostile environments.
>>97324062I swear, americans' insecurity over their military history is embarassing. Relax, you guys can support/think it is cool without denying defeats.
>>97324028Well, it's less of a strategic failure than paying, outfitting and training an ally that then turns directly against you, so you could say leaving no lasting impact was an improvement.
>>97323579>Hammerfags this is your mindset
>>97323596>Why do they make so many movies where white-coded human civilization gets btfo by barely sentient savages?There are only three Avatar movies and we waited a decade for the second one. Aside from that there's Dune and John Carter which are totally different from Avatar. These movies aren't that common. Touch grass and step out of your twitter bubble. >Is it supposed to be based on historical events Avatar is designed to make us reflect on our history of exploiting indigenous peoples so that we as a species can learn to do better. The navi aren't based on any one ethnic group but the atrocities committed against them are similar to what western civilization has done to real life indigenous peoples.>because uhhhhh... history tells a slightly different story.There are times in history where natives pushed out white settlers even if it was only a temporary setback. The humans are back in Avatar 2 so its not like they were defeated for good.
>>97324107>Aged Like Milk moment
>>97323528Is there a space empire that wouldn’t oppress or enslave the navi?
>>97323716What if Superman had killed the emperor of man? Could the chaos gods have corrupted him or would his empire not degenerate into a hellscape. At his full absurd silver-age power level he could probably kill one of the chaos gods. How would the eldar react to someone killing Slaneesh?
>>97324132> Avatar is designed to make us reflect on our history of exploiting indigenous peoplesShoulda told the indigenous peoples that before they did it to each other then
>>97324209>How would the eldar react to someone killing Slaneesh?party so hard they bring him back to existence
>>97323626Avatar isn't a copy of Dances With Wolves. In Dances with Wolves the protagonist spends most of the movie on his own. There is no secret plot to relocate the natives and to steal their land and there's no Avatars. They're totally different. Avatar pretty openly and honestly copies a bunch of sci-fi like John Carter. On the other hand Games Workshop continuously plagiarizes French and British comic books without giving out any sort of credit or compensation. http://www.scifi.darkroastedblend.com/2010/01/10-possible-sources-of-avatar-in.html
>>97323979You have to remember the imperium is just as retarded as 40k players and would allow a thousand human worlds to die rather than let a single alien world live. This isn’t the mortal realms or the Sigmarite Empire where the forces of chaos were up against people with brains. The Imperium are skaven in space!
>>97324264IIRC the first Avatar was basically Pocahontas in space.
>>97324274They stop the war before it happens in Pocahontas
>>97323998Also their culture is severely dumbed down. They had an ethnomusicologist actually make alien-sounding music but rejected it because it was “weird”. An interesting twist on the Avatar/Mononoke/Oddworld theme is to have good corporations as well as cartoonish evil. But Avatar is sadly Mononoke without the naunce or Oddworld without the humor and weirdness.
>>97323998>>97324286You fags do everything in your power to downplay avatar and it never works lol
>>97323833Actual military sci-fi fans love Avatar. It's just buckbroken Warhammer fans that hate it. They don't understand anything about sci-fi and they constantly invade discussions around movies like Avatar and Starship Troopers with their braindead opinions.
>>97323936It's the only popular one but there are plenty of others like Mutant Chronicles
>>97323706not really a good comparison. Even a second-rate major power can easily run over Afghanistan and occupy it, see the late Soviet Union. What every major power soon realizes is that there really isn't a good reason to stay in Afghanistan. You'd need to be there for the better part of a century to even begin the process of civilizing them. Which itself would be a massive money sink since you'd constantly need to put down uprisings, periodically execute every uppity male, pay for infrastructure, put the children through a ringer of effective propaganda to behaviorally suppress their belligerent mountain ape genes. The worst part is if you wanted these changes to ever last, you'd have to have your population bang the women themselves, and unfortunately Alexander's men took all the hot Afghan women over 2000 years ago. All for what? To say you now own a bunch of arid mountains in central asia? It's not really the graveyard of empires, it's the regretful purchase of empires.
>>97324190The Helghast
>>97324315Avatar tries and fails to send its environmentalist message for the fact it overly lionizes the indigenous analogues too hard as somehow having absolutely no wants or desires that anyone else can give them and somehow perfectly in harmony with one another, without recognizing the indigenous people of our world had legitimate reasons to barter with other nations and weren’t infallible beings. Even the fire worshiping navi have to basically be cut off entirely from the giant tree to be “evil” or work with the humans. It’s kind of insulting to the indigenous people of our world if this is how James Cameron thinks they “should” have reacted their outsiders.
>>97323528In Fire and Ash, Jake Sully holds up a fascist symbol to rally the navi against those who would destroy the world, based>>97323596>Jewed out corporate cucks>white codedyou hate white people
>>97324315I just want the original tape released. Music that goddamn weird sounds fascinating.
>>97323994Yes it is. You can call it "tactical retreat" all you want, but one side got its objectives in the end and other one did not.
>>97324315It's because a lot of midwit redditors will do anything in their power to diminish an environmentalist or traditionalist, family-centric message because the obvious innate goodness of it makes them feel extremely empty
>>97324459The actual midwit take here
>>97324190Fading Suns' Phoenix Throne wouldn't probably give a fuck even if it could.
>>97323528Because 40k fans are basically annoying redditors at this point.I'm starting to understand why lot of people outside of 40k don't like 40k fans and think they are retards. It's because of cringy shit like that.
>>97324114lel
>>97324462>no upeak midwit, you have no argument and that's the reason why even attempts at narrative criticism of these films devolve into arguing around the topic and meta"analysis" that would embarass a women's studies major
>>97324529whats funny is that the modern 40k fanbase makes these arguments etc as full grown adults, when I was doing the same thing 15 years ago as a childthey're manchildren who think they're not die to some kind of superiority complex
>>97324529Don’t worry, they’re like that with all fandoms. They only got away with ragging on Avatar only got away with it this long because the cat smurfs are also eye-rolling, though not nearly to the extent WH40K fans make them out to be.>>97324548Dude, it’s visual slop with a shallow premise, a bunch of unlivable dipshit main characters, and nothing to really dig in after the movie is over. There’s nothing to argue because what you see is what you get, and you either like it or you don’t. I don’t need some big deep dive analysis, and neither do you.
>>97323834I think the seethe is because Avatar is average in everyway except for the world building and visuals. It's why it has virtually no cultural impact despite its success, unlike say Star Wars or Cameron's other properties. The story, characters, and themes are very stock, but in a way, that's the point. The genericness never gets in the way of the visuals. It also helped garner a more universal appeal. You remember the experience and feelings of watching Avatar more so than the movie itself. It wasn't really until firebitch that you had a character and relationship that was memorable. I think the anti-Imperial themes, "science bad," climate change stuff, and lefty-hippy vibes also rankles people, but not as much as the averageness.
>>97324565My favourite one is when Andy Chambers gave us “what if Warhammer Fantasy and 40k crossed over and it ended up with Guilliman worshipping Sigmar because his father was such a dissapointment and walking straight into the Chaos Waste with his men and Ghal Maraz to go smash the chaos gods heads in.
>>97324607God forbid in a visual medium.
>>97324607I agree, but I would say the world building is below average. It exists to barely hold the movie’s premise together, and not much more than that.
>>97324607>cultural impactdefine cultural impact in a way that doesn't devolve to mean just merchandise and inflammatory memes
>>97323994it literally is. thats defense 101.
>>97324190There are quite a few that would see how primitive they are and decide to just observe them as an exercise in xenoanthropology. Even without a "prime directive", sometimes it's not worth the legal or ethical hassle of bothering spear chucking monkey aliens.
>>97324529They've gotten better over time. A few years ago, the majority of the fan base were unironic Imperium apologist. Nowadays, if you drop into a thread saying that the Imperium is the best you can get in 40k or that xenos deserve it because they stabbed humanity in the back and are inherently incapable of coexistence, you will get you dog piled. The consensus is that the Imperium is badass, but also retarded evil and creates or enables most of its problems.>>97324623How much people discuss it afterward or meme it. How much influence it has on other media, clichés, and tropes.
>>97323528Why is it always 40k (imperium/ space marine fags specifically) anyways? We never get "can Starcraft Terrans beat the Navi." or "can the Helghast" or "can the Guardians from Destiny" or "can the System Alliance from Mass Effect" or "can the Empire from Star Wars". or anything like that. No, it somehow is always 40k and its always the Imperium and/ or the Space Marines. Where does this odd desire come from, to feel the need to tell everyone that Space Marines (or the Guard) could beat XYZ? Why does no one else do it?
>>97324565>>97324580Fair, I just find lot of the discourse around Avatar and the Na'vi kinda annoying. Like I've seen people unironically claim that the Na'vi are actually evil and Eywa is a demonic parasite tree that they worship/got brainwashed by.Even though in Avatar 1 the story is pretty simple and self explanatory.It can be boiled down to>humans backed by the shitty mega corps arrive on the moon and say they want to mine this rock and they need to demolish an entire tribe's home to get it>blue monkeys basically say "fuck off we're full">the humans backed by mega corps chimp out into a full scale war because the blue monkeys didn't want their home or their sacred tree destroyed>some paraplegic also get some new legs and goes native because he's rather be a blue monkey with functioning legs than live in a mega corp pod and the bugsIt's just space pocahontas where humans act like dickheads (which isn't at all uncommon if you look at human history or even modern day)
>>97324666You tell me, Satan.
The Imperium couldn't beat the Tau.What makes people think they can beat the Na'vi?
>>97324623nta, but it hasn’t really inspired people to look more into environmental causes or the history of indigenous peoples across the world like James Cameron wanted. Most people only really reference it to joke about the Navi or not rpg how bland the plots are.>>97324680I think that’s because people really wanted for there to be more to dig into with Avatar and can’t really accept it is exactly what it looks like in the surface. Even Princess Mononoke and Oddworld made it clear the forest spirits and the Mudokons were capable of being jerks, even if they’re also victims of human industrialization. Avatar really came up that empty that people came up with all kinds of bogus devils advocate theories just to have SOMETHING to dig into, and then left when it became clear James Cameron doesn’t want nor care about people digging into his works with a fine tooth comb, what we see is what we got.Though it’s true that despite the fandom’s claims, the Navi aren’t perfect and do act rather conservative and mean at times, but you wouldn’t know that by how the overall present acts.
>>97324680It’s okay to make fake lore to discredits a franchise you hate
>>97323528na'vi beat the shit out of marines in hand to hand combat
>>97324666In case of Starcraft: because despite bulky armor and gauss auto rifles, SC marines are meatshields with their armors giving the same protection level as wet napkin, so you'll loose at least one battalion of them to kill one Na'vi hunting party, with fucking bows and spears.
>>97324680For me it’s just a disgusting message. “turn on your people for the good guys(tm).” I’m not even talking about in the context of ayys vs humans I’m just talking about in any sort of conflict, bailing on your own people for outsiders is just snakey bitchnigger behavior and regardless of context it will always be viewed through that lens for better or worse. That’s my problem with the first movie and I think it’s most peoples’ problem with the movie.
>>97324716Trust me bro, we couldn't beat those blue hooved fucks but this time it will be different.
>>97324734t. hungry skeleton
>>97323528This meme of thinking you're cool for wanting the humans to win in Avatar reminds me of when little kids would think it was cool to talk about how they wanted to kill Barney the Dinosaur.
What is with these bots and Barney
>>97324743I'd rather join the Navi too rather than live in a pod and help increase shareholder value for some Steinberg back on earth, that is ruined by over population and shitty megacorps.
>>97324716the imperium could crush t’au it’d just be stupid to do so. Ravenguard are grudgematching them because they blew up their CM but by and large the imperium doesn’t give a fuck about them
>>97324783I think the movie made it pretty clear a person like you isn't welcome there, anon, no matter how much you wish for it
>>97324802>a person like you isn't welcome thereOn earth? That's polluted to shit and over populated?Wow what a loss.
>>97324802the movies made it abundantly clear that anyone who is opposed to (((corporations))) is welcome
>>97323947Yeah bro, but in this context "Military Victory" means defeating the enemy in the field. The taliban never defeated the American Military in the field and I think they defeated the Soviets only a couple times.If I was making a point on how tribal armies have shit logistics, I might have used the term logistical victory.
>>97324812>>97324831No, with the aliens. They don't want you and never wanted you. They want nothing to do with you, your culture, your tools, not even your meat. They would sooner welcome a slug than you. On Earth, you're a meaningless statistic. On Pandora, you're not even meaningless, you're not even an after-thought. And that's not even because they hate you. That's because you're basically nothing on Pandora. You're an invasive pest at best, a hostile entity at worst. You'll be tolerated at best in your isolated ship chambers, since they hope you'll gtfo someday and never come back.Just face it, if you were in that setting, you might as well just throw yourself into the streets to be run over, cause life sucks no matter where you are if you aren't already born perfect or have protagonist privileges.
>>97324607Yeah, before the 2nd and especially 3rd movie, if you asked anyone anything about Avatar, you'd probably get "Oh some cripple gets put in a blue person and saves their race. Also it's pretty and they use their tail hair to fuck"
>>97324789I disagree.Damocles round 2 was larger than the Sabbat Crusade, and as you said, it featured the entirety of the Raven Guard plus their late chapter master.You don't send a full founding chapter against someone you don't care about.
>>97324875>They want nothing to do with youthe movies go out of their way to show the exact opposite, humans that reject the (((corporations))) are welcome and integrated, down to the super special brain tentacle
>>97324841Resiting ten years sounds like a victory to me.
>>97324716Imagine you're in a shoot out and everyone is just waiting for you to pop your head around the corner to get you but in the far back there's a guy swinging a knife around. You can easily kill him but the risk and action of doing so would easily expose you to an attack.
>>97324901Pretty sure Jake had to literally die to be ultimately accepted as part of the tribe, aka outright stop being human. And Quaritch's orphan is treated as a disabled pariah both in his own family and with the other navi just for existing despite being otherwise raised among the natives as one of their own.
>>97324783 You’re missing the point the mc isn’t betraying a megacorp he’s participating in killing people he was allied with a day before for selfish reasons. Can this be done gracefully? Yes but the movie completely glosses over that moral dilemma.
>>97324666Because people don't take away anything else from 40k, marines kill aliens, that is all. With other universes most people take away more than one thing, or faggots are less loud.
>>97323579Fuck Barney
>>97324902>Post 1:tribal armies only ever win against industrialized nations if they sustain huge casualties>Post 2: Afghanistan won against the soviet union and the united states though?>post 3: Yeah but they sustained huge casualities and never actually won a battle>post 4: Erm they won>post 5: yes but not in battle>post 6: erm they wonAnon, are you legitimately retarded. No one is disputing that they won.
>>97324666Dragon Ball Z fans do it too
>>97324987It's called Powerlevel faggotry.
>>97323596just the cultural pendulum swinging the other way from early westerns depicting the savage injuns as faceless mooks
>>97324734Do we think Na’vi arrows can pierce ceramite?
>>97324743Corpo drones aren't "my people".
>>97324915anon, why are you talking about movies you haven't seen? jake was welcomed into the tribe long before he died, and spider is embraced by the ancestors in the finale of the third
>>97324529This is the only place I've ever seen anyone complain or discuss or care about "40k fans" and 100% of the time it's because of some powerscaling bullshit.
>>97324987Goku would rape everything in 40k btw
>>97325099>jake was welcomed into the tribe long before he diedNot as Jake Sully the human>spider is embraced by the ancestors in the finale of the thirdAnd nearly killed by his father in order to prevent humans from having the capacity to figure out how to breathe on pandora and becoming a part of the world while still remaining human
>>97325204You're forgetting what was your point to begin with.
>>97325224No, I think the movies made it pretty clear humans aren’t welcome on Pandora unless they essentially give up the parts that made them icky nasty mean ugly humans. Not that hard to understand. It’s just coincidental that the movies present all of that pesky human nature as the result of capitalism, I’m sure.
>>97324875>They don't want you and never wanted you. They want nothing to do with you, your culture, your tools, not even your meat.They sure like norm's meat
>>97325278>unless they essentially give up the parts that made them icky nasty mean ugly humansthe scientists at the flying mountains have integrated without abandoning their stuff, and spider was fully integrated without ceasing to be human, you're wrong
>>97325283If you say so, anon
>>97323528The answer is obviously Skitarii BTW
>>97323528>Grimderp fags being edgyWoah, would've never guessed.
>>97324875>ablooblooCorpofags and jews aren't my people either and instead want me dead. I'm not dying for Isn'treal on some moon.
>>97323682>civilizing the savages is basedYeah, look how well Brazil and Africa turned out.
>>97323579That one awakened very old memories I thought were long gone.
>>97323682Civilization is when blowing shit up just to see the splatter is my favorite incarnation of fascist brainrot.
>>97325619Calm down faggot. Eventually after she calms down we'd teach her about Hitler, Napoleon, and Caesar. Can a nigga live.
>>97323979>customNigga there's whole colonized planets with nonbreathable atmosphere where the citizens have to wear rebreathers their whole lives. And the Guard scoops up regiments from these planets specifically to throw them at planets like naviland. You are unironically a bitchmade lorelet
>>97325204> how to breathe on pandora and becoming a part of the world the megacorps would vivisect spider and use whatever they learn to spead up the colonization without any intent of becoming part of the planet, they just want to exploit it for money and bail once they fuck up the place like they did on earth
>>97323528>pls pls PLEEEEEEEEASE talk about my shitty corposlop movie franchise with zero ties to /tg/Why are avatar fans like this
>>97324943>killing people he was allied with a day beforecorpo drones putting their neck on the line for some steinberg aren't people, doubly so if you consider they are the type that made Earth into a hellhole in the first place
Reminder that due to the timeline of Avatar, Jake Sully got paralyzed in Trump's surgical strike of the Venezuelan communist regime. Making him the most incompetent marine of all time.
Let's see what the RDA offers>a slightly more confortable pod>rations that aren't just bugs>be a slightly higher tier of goon>the knowlege that I helped the shareholders getting richerNow let's see what the Na'vi offer>a traditional marrige and family>a healthy and natural diety of freash meat and fruts>be part of a true warrior culture>genuine spirituality and a confirmed afterlife
>>97324315Wasn't it a box office flop?
>>97323528Hating furfags is a proud tradition.
>>97323528Space Marines would not be wasted on Pandora. They'd send the Catachans.
>>97324985This >Your occupier getting bored and leaving isn't a military victory.Sounds really like saying America won.
>>97325619fascism is based
>>97324985>yes but not in battleTo be fair, the Afghans regularly defeated the Soviets in battle.
>>97323528Remind me why humans can't just bomb the planet's surface and then take the resources or terraform it?These blue cats are only alive because of the power of the script.
>>97326088Is this why Sharty bans 40k?
>>97326154because isn't Humans/humanity fucking around in Pandora, just one of the lesser megacorpsthe RDA simply lack the capabilities for doing so and don't want to deal of the PR damage of a mass genocide exposing them to competitors
>>97326154because James Cameron NEEDS the savages to win and the advanced noble force to loose to make some stupid argument about "le colonialism is bad you guuuuuys"the special effects were and still are impressive but I honestly never liked the movie, humanity is and forever will be the good guys.
>>97326154I'd say the real question is why they don't seem to focus on single areas to maximize their advantages - they really don't seem to need stripmining at this point, so few mines would be good. Maybe even trying to divide the blue furballs or at least bribe them with cargo.It's like these motherfuckers didn't even read a history book ever.
>>97326344>they really don't seem to need stripmining at this pointbut more mines means more money>divide the blue furballs or at least bribe them with cargomost tribes weren't interested in what they tried to offer, they had to wait until movie 3 to find a tribe going through a religious crisis and being take over by a deranged apostate shaman
>>97326245Who cares? They already have soldiers and military equipment on the planet; at this point, it shouldn't even be a secret.
>>97323528i'm pretty sure any chapter would just exterminatus pandora upon discovering there's a much larger xeno threat (eywa) that's psychically linked to every living organism there.
>>97326264>colonizers=humanity
>>97323921The imperium looks cool and is up against much worse factions. This question better applies for abatap. The RDA is sterile, boring, and largely unjustifiable without obtuse meta-narrative culture war idiocy. Imagine going "industrial revolution and it's consequences" then siding with a globalist corporation.
>>97326398>Who cares?the executives>They already have soldiers and military equipment on the planetblackwater tier military that can be easily explained back on Earth as just for personal protection and without the capabilities for planetary bombardment >it shouldn't even be a secretit's information that could be used by competing megacorps to fuck with their stock prices, used as an excuse to fuck with their executives and take away their monopoly on Pandoran stuff
>>97326154>bomb planet>kill all the space whales with immortality juice
>>97326374Didn't see third movie, but I don't remember them giving the navi... like... anything. I would try to hook them to SOMETHING, possibly constructed in-site.
>>97324227>Maybe they shouldn't have exploited each other so we wouldn't have to exploit them
>>97326464they got in contact with a megalomaniac apostate shaman that was raiding other clans with her followers and offer weapons and the support to conquer Pandora
>>97326492Lay down in bed with a whore, don't go blaming the devil for tempting you
>>97326403Legitimately James Cameron's thought process for making the avatar movie was to put humanity as the insert for western civilization invading a new world and subjugating the "noble savages" which are represented as the na'vi cause some how a bunch of primitive, backwards, violently tribal, possibly cannibalistic, spear chucking tree people are the good guys.And then they put a white savior in the body of a savage to infiltrate them, only to go native and betray humanity for blue pussy.
>>97324734Na'vi are built like twigs compared to those genetically enhanced super soldiers, I could see a space marine ripping one in half with his bare hands with ease.They also have the advantage of lower center mass, and on top of the armor AND their equipment... lets be real its no contest. (im not saying they couldn't get at least 1 space marine in a skirmish but they are probably only getting that 1, or maybe just 2 at most)Though to be honest even more real they could just burn their stupid forests down and they would be defenseless
>>97323872At my school it was his head is on a spear
>>97326508I'm not saying saying the natives wouldn't have done the same if the positions were reversed, or anything like that. I just think the reason given in the previous post is dumb. Even if they were completely peaceful, they would have been exploited and fucked up anyway.
>>97323682She seems cute and crazy, an excellent combination. Is the movie worth watching for her?
>>97323605>>97323682>>97323702>>97323829Don't want to watch the movie but this chick is cute
>>97326496Well, that DOES sound mildly interesting. Will try to watch in theaters, after all.
>>97323682Fully agree
Who are the bigger wankers, 40K fans jerking off about marines killing some dudes or Dragon ball fans jerking off about Goku beating some dude
>>97326589Yes, she makes the first act. The second act has some neat SFX but the highlight of the film for me was the tent scene which I don't want to spoil, because it was steamy. Some of the film crew wanted to axe half of it and were nearly fired, as Cameron insisted the full uncensored version was critical to his vision.
>>97324666What even is starcraft? I was never much into RTS so all I know is surface level cool space marines and zurg rushes
>>97323773A bigger waist size alone does not make you the bigger bully.
>>97326629The venn diagram is a circle.
>>97326667Goku could solo the Imperium and Chaos though
>>97326629Avatar fans pretending their franchise has any relevance.
>>97326726relevant enough to make 40kids seeth and HFYfags dilate
>>97326726>Fell For Avatar Will Flop This Time Again Award.jpg
>>97326744thats only because the popped up into the "somewhat relevant" with their newest release, once the relevancy of this new one dies down everyone wont really care anymore. And if it were a different movie with aliens in it it would be the sameAvatar is not special, the only reason people even gave a shit about it in the first place was because the cgi didnt look like shit and it had James Cameron's name on it.
>>97326726It's wartroons that are obsessed with Avatar's "cultural relevancy". We're just enjoying the setting's stellar worldbuilding while debunking nonsense spouted by grifters who haven't even watched the movies they're shitting on. If Avatar only made a couple million I would still like it.
>>97326744>HFYfags>relevant>>97326746I've never once said Avatar will flop, retard. I imagine every movie will continue to make infinityzillion dollars and then proceed to evaporate into the aether and be forgotten in less than a week like all the other movies. >>97326819You don't even talk about the setting, you cry about how "victimized" it is by other scifi fans/franchises because Avatar only appeals to those with a victim mentality in the first place.
>>97326704Someone really needs to sit down and explain to the Japanese how titles work.
>>97323626True>>97323579That's it, they are children.
>>97325619You're right, Americans aren't truly civilized.
>>97326892Classic American who knows nothing trying to impose his culture on others
>>97326892Either you already know why those titles are the way they are and are being performatively offended or you're genuinely ignorant in which case I dunno, ask >>>/a/ or >>>/jp/
sure are a lot of indians in this thread
>>97323895You could trip over and still pass that bar. James Cameron realistically had to bring every human on earth down to his level of intelligence to get a navi victory
>>97323895He doesn't thobeight. He paid other people to do better worldbuilding and then threw all their setting notes in the trash to do a gay little corporate cowboys vs blue injuns allegory instead.
>>97326245Shit, maybe Nestle would've been the better choice to go to Pandora
>>97326956And yet here you are speaking English.>>97326990No one is offended but you. And no one is ignorant but you. Project less, learn more.
>>97323607A-avatar
>>97326676>goku loses to this
>>97324743Look up the ancent greek concept of 'ethics' (sp?)
>>97324132>our history of exploiting indigenous peoples so that we as a species can learn to do betterWhat, like bringing them toilets, medicine, and something to wear besides a mangy ass pelt?Dang you're right shlomo, I do feel bad
>>97327092>dies to a regular old coconutKirbyfags are cancer
>>97327132>culture war brain rot
>>97327132https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_TearsThe United States government forcibly displaced Native Americans so they could open a gold mine on their land.
>>97327137>powerscalers are cancer ftfy
>>97327144The more I read about what we did in the past (and the present), the more I believe that the RDA would infact not care about a little bit of genocide if it made extracting ore even a little easier.
>>97327144Well, you know what they sayIf you can't beam em, wampum
>>97323528Traditional games?
>>97327069English spread throughout the world for unamerican reasons, thoughbeit.
>>97326886>You don't even talk about the setting, you cry about how "victimized" it is by other scifi fans/franchisesI have made multiple posts on this board about Avatar's setting but they usually get ignored. Avatar has tons of roleplaying potential.
>>97323596>Why do they make so many movies where white-coded human civilization gets btfo by barely sentient savages?Because viewers like it.The Avatar series is one of the most successful films of all time, you retards act like you know better what sells than one of the most successful film directors of all time.
>>97327176Most of the roleplaying potential would have to be entirely manufactured by any would-be DMs. The stories from the movies themselves are very by the numbers. Sure you could probably make a game out of it, but it does feel like one of those things where you'd be putting in so much effort that could be better used elsewhere.
>>97327182pokemon is one of the most sucessful franchises ever and 99% of the modern games blow ass
>>97323998yarp
>>97327182>appeal to popularity = writing qualityCheck out the smooth brain
>>97327197Not really. There's already a human settlement where players can pick up quests from and miles of uncharted wilderness filled with dangerous creatures to explore.
>>97326118that was a bait post who got himself a mean catch of euros and third worlders. Saying "America didn't lose Vietnam/Afghanistan" is guaranteed replies>>97326135I wouldn't say regularly but they did lose actual engagements as opposed to NATO where I can only really recall Red wings where a special forces team of like 5 dudes lost against a larger force of Taliban
>>97327210Let's be real, anon, nobody would be playing this game to be the PMCs, they'd want to be the Na'vi, and most of their stuff is just hunting down animals and/or fighting scifi guys since they're otherwise so hippie dippie to not have any other goals or needs in life. If the goal was to be the PMCs, you might as well just play any already made sci-fi rpg and just reskin things to be Pandora-flavored.
gitlyman and his love for xenos would quarentine the planet and give the na'vi the jokaero treatment
>>97326154Humans find Pandora cool and don't hate Na'vi. Corporations in Avatar's time are still subordinate to governments, which are run by humans. Thus, RDA cannot do infinite Na'vi genocide in the periphery without risking backlash back in the metropole.
>>97327201>>97327205>it's bad even though it's popularWe aren't talking about the quality of the product, we're talking about its content. Nobody wants to watch a movie about a bunch of jacked up imperialists with the ultimate machine guns murdering ersatz-indigenous people to steal their shit. Doesn't matter how good or bad it is.
>>97326617>Sacrificing humans to the gods is bad>But sacrificing humans to the silver mines is good, okay?
>>97327269>Nobody wants to watch a movie about a bunch of jacked up imperialists with the ultimate machine guns murdering ersatz-indigenous people to steal their shit.
>>97327288The bad guys in GATE are all Roman-coded slavers, and the GATE people trade with locals, protect native civilians, provide medical assistance, etc.
>>97327296Hey, you're the one who told us to discount quality of the product, anon.
>>97326617>well, yes, the population may have cratered to 10% of its prewar levels, but at least the human sacrifice stopped
How hard do you think Varang fucks?
>>97323979>How does that make logistic sense?It doesn't. However, the imperium does that kind of shit more or less daily anyway. You have to stop expecting them to act logically
>>97327304Yes. The content is that GATE Japan wants to engage in mutually beneficial and peaceful trade with the fantasy people, and certain evil factions in fantasyland constantly attack them for no real reason. This is the standard way you write that story (there are other, non-GATE variants on this basic premise). It also bears little to no resemblance to history!
>>97327318Neither does Avatar. And yet people still proper it up as an ideal depiction of nature despite the fact humans never had plugs in their brains that let them mindfuck animals into being their slaves nor sang kumbaya with the other tribes because a magic tree commanded them to.GATE is clearly a Japanese writer malding about how his country was cheated out of its post WW2 imperialist destiny, and James Cameron's Avatar was an intentionally dumbed down apology for being descended from the guys who kicked the teeth in on a bunch of indigenous tribes. They both have gaping flaws in their narratives, and people still watched them in droves. Face it, popularity means jack and shit when it comes to writing quality.
>>97327330Okay, so you are retarded? Can you scroll up in this conversation? Nobody wants a "historically accurate" "moderns meet primitives" where modern humans act like 17th-19th century imperialists and rape/murder/enslave everybody they can get their hands on. This isn't about the work's quality. There is no demand for this content.It also, incidentally, would be unrealistic - the world has changed since those days, and the incentive structures that enabled that behavior are gone.
>>97324414>>Jewed out corporate cucks>>white coded>you hate white peopleNo I just prefer anglo white supremacy over german white supremacy. No isolationism, we should rule in their homelands and sell opium on their doorsteps.
>>97327352Yeah, yeah, normies want to avert their eyes to the plain facts that humans from the past were all assholes to each other, tribal or imperialist. That's hardly a surprise at all. Still doesn't mean Avatar's a good movie in the slightest, just that James Cameron knew going in that his audience are sensitive morons who can't accept the truth of human history.
>>97327375Okay, good, so we've answered the original question:>>97323579>Why do they make so many movies where white-coded human civilization gets btfo by barely sentient savages?
>>97327380I wasn't even that poster, anon, I was objecting to your fallacious appeal to popularity in terms of arguing Avatar was somehow good because a bunch of morons who have white guilt watched a movie about cat smurfs pretending to be indigeous tribals and went "omg that's what I want to be".
>>97327388My fallacious appeal to popularity to explain why films are made with popular premises rather than unpopular ones?Is your IQ three digits?
Avatar is nice when it comes to designing equipment, shame anyone using anything cool is a literal retard being ordered around by even bigger retards.
>>97327394Popularity =/= quality of product or audienceWH40k is popular, but you cannot tell me that its fanbase is a bastion of intelligence
>>97324190the federation
>>97324529>at this point.anon...
>>97325192>gets instantly corrupted by khornePssh, nothing personal kid
How could 40k fans say no to THIS?
>>97327553Easily.
>>97324915>And Quaritch's orphan is treated as a disabled pariah both in his own family and with the other navi just for existing despite being otherwise raised among the natives as one of their own.No? The only one who treats him like that is Jake's alien GF who is depicted as being in the wrong for hating him being human. Just about every single other na'vi is chill with him throughout the entire movie.>>97326154It's in the supplemental material, but essentially the RDA holds exclusive rights to exploiting everything on Pandora as long as they stick to certain rules, one of which is limiting what sort of force they could apply. Even if they wanted to accept the potential lost revenue that comes with a genocide campaign that would require annihilating pretty much anything of value that isn't rocks, that could see them losing that exclusivity and opening the door to others coming to Pandora.
>>97327553god fufcking damn it
>>97327558Really?
>>97327505Nah, he is pure of heart and stronger than that god.
>>97327553Emperor, give me strength.
>>97325009>>97324987This is different; all those series are inspired by Dragon Ball.And it's true, all those guys are weaker than Goku.
>>97324739That's not true, their SC marines aren't that weak and this faction would win this battle with their strongest units.
>>9732662940K fans, goku beats the mcu version of thanos.
>>97327137>>diesCanonically Kirby never dies, he just gets demotivated enough to go home until you hit continue. Yes, Sakurai said as much in an interview.
>>97327149Yes, it's true, you're cancer.
>>97327176>but they usually get ignoredBecause no one actually cares since the setting is stale dogwater.>>97327176
>>97327069Yes, I'm speaking English on the English page. Do you want me to speak Spanish?That doesn't change the fact that what I said about you is true.
>>97323729I want the blue boys to suffer against the boys in blue
>>97327673It doesn't matter, he loses against Goku.
>>97327352Despite being allegorical with the colonization of the americas, Avatar shares about as much historical semblance with it as GATE does. In fact, I'd say GATE is more historically accurate with how Spaniards took out the Aztecs than anything in Slopatar
>>97327553Why does she look like Nathan Explosion
>>97327505He'd have more trouble with Gork n Mork since he loves fighting as much as they do and they'd just end up in a three-way eternal battle where everyone is having too much fun to stop. In fact, he'd probably just somehow end up as a third ork god if anything.
>>97323979>or send in space marinesOr the Skitarii, or the SoBs, or Tempestus Scions, or the Cadians who literally had a FW rebreather kit
>>97327572>It's in the supplemental materialI accept your concession
>>97327695He doesn't have the feats to stand up to Kirby once he gets copied
>>97323729Probably because after 16 years we're tired of your offtopic nogames threads. You've had 16 years to come up with SOME kind of Avatar related /tg/ product, be it official or homebrew, and instead the best you can come up with is crying victim over someone else's spacebattles post. You don't even have enough gumption to make your own post, you have to screenshot someone else's and drag it back here like the gay little bottom feeder you are.
>>97326640Cameron actually pushed the envelope on a PG-13 sex scene and it was with a psycho alien girl? Unfathomably based.He's seriously got to be one of the best modern examples of backing up all the shit you talk.
>>97327695Kirby will just eat his healthbar or hit him with a truck powered by god and poyo.Realistically they'd settle it with an eating contest
wait does she love the human guy for real or just a typical female bad guy who is using him for some goal and then abandons him to die? did they really do human man on xeno female like actual mates?
>>97327788Anon just fucking watch the god damn film holy shit.
>>97327788There's real affection even disregarding that she didn't have to hop on his dick for showing her how to make thunder
>>97323528Most of them. Though I think the Salamanders would love it the most. Lots of things to burn
>>97327675xes an angry little latinx
space adventures with Pandora's most liberal na'vi (she doesn't think metal will poison her soul)
>>97327716He faced many people who could copy powers and he won.He faced a guy who stole his own body; he was stronger and immortal. And he ended up surviving.>>97327734Meh, too weak. And on top of that, he needs help in your imaginary scenario.
>>97327667One thing I'll say about Goku fansAt least they pick fights and brag about beating actually fucking strong people. Marinefags brag about beating regular people with no powers (storm troopers) and Muppets of all things
>>97327907Yeah, thanks for proving I was right.
>>97327288GATE sucked
>>97327915typical RATku fan
>>97327330I always wonder what it'd be like if the Japanese were the apologetic ones about WW2 and the Germans were the ones who denied or downplayed it
>>97327940
Goku would lose to Kirby but they would become friends afterwards.
>>97327920How did you and your familia feel after watching the goku vs superman deathbattle?
>>97327330>GATE is clearly a Japanese writer malding about how his country was cheated out of its post WW2 imperialist destinyAnd he's right, all countries can be imperialist except Japan.Germany has an army, and so does Italy, so why not Japan?
>>97327505Khorne couldn't even corrupt Doomguy, who would also solo 40k, let alone someone as pure and good-natured as Goku.
>>97327951Cope>>97327955>admits he's a death batle faglmao what a loser
>>97327962You're right, Doomguy will easily kill all of Chaos.
>>97327968He'd kill every marine, too. Bad guys are bad guys.
It's impressive, this thread has nothing to do with /tg/ - Traditional Games and the usual idiot isn't complaining about that.It's faster than the other threads too.
>>97327964im assuming they didnt take it well then...
>>97327972Based
>>97327985Wow, the Redditor is angry.
>>97323528You don't even need group troops to exterminate them.They're a stone age civilization.Build a solar shade between Pandora and its sun, then wait a year.When you come back the biosphere will have frozen to death, so you can move right in after taking down the solar shade.
>>97323596> Why do they make so many movies where white-coded human civilization gets btfo by barely sentient savages? Wish-fulfillment.
>>97327916They never say that Goku can beat someone they know Goku can't beat.For example, I never saw them say that he can beat Doctor Manhattan.
>>97328005It's white guilt.
>>97327951This is trueThey will bond over eating cartoonishly shaped meat with a bone through it
>>97328000>The retard didn't understand the point of the thread
>>97328019Yes.Its both.Those motivations aren't mutually exclusive.
>>97328020>>97327951You guys are stupid, they would start out as friends but then they would start fighting over food.But it wouldn't be a serious fight and they would be interrupted by something else.
>>97328026The point of the thread is fucking boring.> OP: Which SM chapter would kill this xeno most effectively?> Retarded Posters:The ______ ______s would because they're the bestest chapter eva!!1!!! (x100)
>>97328026True
>>97328037They would start out as enemies due to getting tricked into a fight, but they would bond over food.
>>97328040You made a mistake in answering, you got the wrong anon.Besides, you still don't know the topic of the thread; the point is to make fun of the 40k guys.Although the thread evolved and now it's about who would win against Goku and cry over Avatar.
>>97328045This isn't the Avengers, nigga.
Okay, but why are we talking about a food contest between Goku and Kirby?
>>97326645>human colony ships venture out from earth>they end up in a place called the Koprulu sector>humanity eventually forms 3 big interstellar states over there>one of them becomes essentially the US confederates but in space>there are also the zerg, your hivemind alien swarm>and the protoss, the hyper advanced race of psionics>you fight against the ever present threat of the zerg and against the Protoss coming to purge and cleanse you to stop the zerg spread>also you aid the rebellion against the US Confederacy in space>you defeat the US Confederacy in space, but turns out the rebels become a even worse dictatorship>also eventually forces from good old earth show up to take over control. Koprulu-Humans dont like that at all.>and there is big change within the Protoss and Zerg>and there is a whole eldritch horror thing going on in the backgroundStorywise, Stacraft is actually pretty fun. Its certainly worth checking out the series for the story campaign alone.
>>97327959>Germany has an army, and so does ItalyA parade force
>>97328014That's true but at least the other dude usually has some superpowers or super strength or whatever Like Space Marines beating Stormtroopers is an 8 foot tall guy on super steroids and in an exosuit vs some poor sap in plastic armor which feels punching down too much. But yes Goku wankers do only pick fights Goku can win
Oh great GOOGLY MOOGLY, it’s GENERAL QUARRITCH!!! What’s that?? You want TO RAZE my PLANET TO THE GROUND?! AND *GULP* have HOT SEX WITH YOUR FIRE GOTH GIRL over the BODIES OF MY FAMILY!?
>>97327959>And he's right, all countries can be imperialist except Japan.>Germany has an army, and so does Italy, so why not Japan?Germany is also MEGA cucked to Israel and literally cannot go against them in anything without being screamed about being NazisGiven China and Korea, I don't think Japan would want Germany's situation applied to them
>>97328209Yes, but Israel never attacked Germany. In fact, the ones who did the most damage to Germany were the Germans themselves, with their leftist policies.On the other hand, there's no reason why Japan shouldn't be allowed to have a real army today.They've been peaceful since World War II, and their only enemy is America's number one enemy (no, Russia is too weak to be considered in that position).
>>97328000>They're a stone age civilization.They're the pets of a biological supercomputer that runs the entire biosphere.Did you people not watch the movie? This is established in the first one.
>>97327915>And on top of that, he needs help>he doesn't know
>>97328019I don't feel guilty that my ancestors did insanely evil things, I just don't lionize them for doing insanely evil things. I don't feel any impulse to defend the worst thing people who happen to share my skin tone have done.Most people are not interested in protagonists who just do the same evil things; in fact, general opposition to that behavior is part of why we stopped doing that shit.
>>97327269>Nobody wants to watch a movie about a bunch of jacked up imperialists with the ultimate machine guns murdering ersatz-indigenous people to steal their shit.You could easily sell this to the same crowd that watches Fox News.
>>97328463>I just don't lionize them for doing insanely evil thingsYou assumption that they did insanely evil things, instead of just looking out for their own interests, is the actual guilt.
>>97328481There is no contradiction between "looking out for their actual interests" and doing insanely evil things. If some guy robs a bank, he's looking out for his actual interests, but it is still wrong to rob a bank. Murder, genocide, slavery, and rape are immoral regardless of time and place.
>>97328487Your ancestors committed murder, genocide, slavery and rape because they were trying to move themselves forward in a resource scarce world. The same as humanity ever was.What is good for one group is often bad for another precisely for that reason. But you have associated this with evil because you have been trained to believe that every disparate group wants the same thing, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
>>97328496You must be 18 to post on this website
>>97328496I have been trained to believe it is evil to commit murder, genocide, slavery, and rape. Sometimes my ancestors did evil things for reasons that made sense. Luckily, since their time, we have elevated our social structures so that evil things are discouraged and good things are encouraged. But evil is always evil, and good is always good.
>>97328506>Luckily, since their time, we have elevated our social structures-No, we haven't. That struggle for resources still exists. It is only obscured through several layers of abstraction. While you may believe those things are evil, the vast majority of the world does not. Which also means you will be unprepared when the future comes rushing towards you.
>>97328516Wrong and stupid. Hardly even worth engaging with. Only a complete retard could think that the modern system is as violent and cruel as the one that dominated pre-1945.
>>97328460No, I know Goku wins anyway.
>>97328463Okay bro, calm down.I only stated the reason why this happens; I didn't give any opinion on the matter.
>>97328535"White guilt" is a concept made up by moral invalids to describe criticizing bad things dead white people did. You are an animal, incapable of judging right from wrong on any basis other than tribal affiliation. I will not calm down.
>>97328468Nah, conservatives don't hate Indians because they watched Dances With Wolves.>>97328544Bru, you're being very sensitive about this topic.At no point did I say anything against white people; I only stated the real reason why this happens. The creators of these films feel this way; I don't know why you're reacting this way because I'm describing things correctly.
>>97328521Yes, you're right. I don't know why the other anon thinks that.
>>97328544No, white guilt is a concept invented to pay lip service to social justice without actually doing anything about it. Actual victims of historical oppression don't give a shit about your fucking guilt. They want an actual material solution to their problems.If you don't want to actually do anything about it but still want to appear like you support them you engage in ridiculous nonsense like white guilt, land acknowledgements and whatnot. Meanwhile, people on the far right are driven to berserk rage over silly shit like that because they enjoy the culture of cruelty that conservative media marinates them in all day long. Poor fucks are actually too dumb to notice that white liberals play their minority friends like fiddles.
>>97328572Wow, you really have a victim complex.Everyone is vile except your kind, right?
>>97326154the same reason why alien invaders don't just bomb earth's surface or block the sun and win instantly
>noooo they na'vi should never be able to beat humansmeanwhile every alien invasion movie ever made has some dude effortlessly beating aliens with incomprehensibly advanced technology lol. Where's the seething about how unrealistic those movies are?
>>97328661Yes, because otherwise the planet would have no value. Imagine invading a planet and saying, "Let's just use nuclear weapons and destroy everything first, just in case."What would be the benefit? If you want a dead planet, there are like a million other options.
>>97323528The plot of Avatar is basically same and comparable to if Blackrock came along with paramilitary group, to some random town in Europe that is a home to 30 000 people and they then tell to the villagers;>"We've made surveys and determined that there's lot of gold, iron and other minerals under your village, but for us to access it we need all of you to fuck off and relocate so we can demolish your village so we can start mining."And the villagers, expectedly, say "No.". Because understandly the people don't want to completely uproot their entire way of life just so appease some random fucking strangers they've never seen before, and who are only there because they are corpo slaves and there to increase shareholder value.Anyone who unironically sides with the RDA/humans in avatar is basically comparable to a jew puppet.
>>97323900>>97323979>How would they survive without exopackshow does this nigga not realize that the imperial guard has had to fight in a billion different environments already, including the vacuum of space?I hate 40k wank as much as the next guy but what kind of retarded question is that?
>>97328821guardsmen fight only in environments with numerous chest-high walls
>>97328893Actually, all factions in 40k only fight in battlefields with 4 equally sized "L" shaped ruined walls.
>>97328821>guard has had to fight in a billion different environments already, including the vacuum of spaceTbf to fight in the vacuum of space the guard is still given space suits to be able to do so.Same goes for any other environment, they are given at least some gear, which is probably very little, but still enough to at least be able to realistically fight while in the said environment.Like Pandora's atmosphere is entirely unbreathable by humans, it has nitrogen and oxygen yes, but it's made up of 18% carbondioxide, 5,5% xenon, methane and then hydrongensulfide. All of which are very bad for humans.It would require every member of the guard be given rebreather masks and potentially oxygen bottles because otherwise they will suffocate to death.
>>97328920>It would require every member of the guard be given rebreather masks and potentially oxygen bottles because otherwise they will suffocate to death.The guard has to fight in death worlds, anon. Having to wear masks to be able to breathe is already better than the vacuum of space, where they have to be given full suits.
>>97328468Holy fuck you are so direction brained it has rotted you to the core. Your soul has sloughed away outright
>>97328957don't you mean outleft?
>>97328411Israel didn't attack GermanyBut when did any country attack Japan after WW2? Why are you saying "Israel didn't attack Germany" when no ones attacked Japan either?Also it's not just China, Japan also invaded Korea. Being cucked to Korea as well isn't great either although it's better than Israel or China.
>>97325533It wasn't real civilizing.
>>97329057Well, Israel didn't exist before World War II, so it would have been impossible for it to attack Germany before that war.And China threatened to behead a Japanese man last year; it's not an invasion, but it's definitely an attack.And I don't understand why you think that if Japan is allowed to have a real army again, that means it would become subservient to Korea.
>>97329134Okay, give an example of when it worked
>>97329183Real civilizing hasn't been tried yet.
>>97324734You mean fisticuffs?
>>97328705Were those alien invasion movies set during the stone age?
>>97323596The fact that you read the cartoonishly evil turbo capitalists Looten Plunder tier company that RDA is as "white" tells more about you than Cameron.
>>97329288considering the technological gap they might as well be
>>97323822>slowly
>>97329360>you may not have noticed it>but your brain did
>>97329410>considering the technological gapIn OG War of the Worlds, humans were able to take down some of the fighting machines. Most often they have to give the aliens nuke proof shields (just like with WotW adaptations) to give them a fighting chance. And even then there's ways to get around that (hack 'em, for example). Bottom line, modern humans vs. aliens is way different from cavemen vs. future humans.
>>97329433Unlike you, I don't associate my race with being turbo evil "fuck the environment" corporate stooges. If anything, given how European nations are at the forefront of environmental protection laws, I associate whiteness with caring about the environment.
>>97329172I mean Germany was only allowed the army by basically sucking off Israel to prove they were trustworthy. They still have to do it to assuage fears of Nazism.If Japan behaves as it does now (many government officials denying war crimes and shit) that probably wouldn't sit right with other countries. It's likely even the USA would not support it, if only because it makes diplomacy with Korea harder.I looked it up, it was one diplomat who made that beheading statement. By that logic, the numerous Japanese politicians who say shit like "comfort women weren't sex slaves" or "Nanking never happened" and shit sound like attacks as well.
>>97329461>I don't associate my race with being turbo evilYou don't, but James Cameron did. Stop playing ignorant, son, they've cottoned onto that trick a while ago.
>>97329172oh and Naoki Hyakuta, a Japanese politician, also states in a livestream that Korean people are scum and that he wanted to go to war with Korea.So by your logic, Japan has already attacked it's neighbors after WW2
>>97329521I'm not a leftist, dipshit. Most of the good humans in Avatar are also white you disengenious retard, and a plotpoint in Avatar 3 is that Neytiri's racism and hatred against humans is also bad and she has to get over it. The message of these movies isn't "whitey bad, natives good", it is "USA/capitalism/imperialism bad and environmentalism good".Only fucking morons miss this point and root for the company that is depicted as completely morally bancrupt, doing shit like organizing the outright genocide of sapient whales just to get a quick buck by selling the fucking brainstem juice from them that makes pedophile billionares on earth live few extra years.If you see RDA as "white" rather than the most exaggerated depiction of corporate greed and murrican imperialism that we have seen on the big screen in decades, it again, tells more about you than anything else.
>>97328957Struck a nerve?
>>97329593Crying about LE FAUX NEWS in present day is pretty much the equivalent of out of touch soccer moms crying about how DnD and pokemon are satanic.
>>97329612Oh boy, struck multiple nerves
>>97329559Bold of you to assume these people actually watched the movie and aren't just regurgitating memes
>>97329625I accept your concession
>>97328556The creators of these films correctly identify rape, genocide, mass-murder, slavery, etc, as evil. Their audience does too. Thus, they create films that do not feature the protagonists doing insane rape and genocide. The color of their skin has nothing to do with it, and invoking "white guilt" is, again, the behavior of a moral invalid, incapable of judging the actions of others by any means besides tribal affiliation.It's one thing for a chimpanzee to do that - they can't talk to each other to explain what another person did that was wrong - but you're a human being.
>>97329522Yes, and Korea keeps saying it wants to go to war with Japan, and it's not the politicians, it's the people.But you can't compare it to China's actions; you're an idiot if you don't realize the difference.
>>97329471>looked it up, it was one diplomat who made that beheading statement. That's objectively worse; diplomats are the people who are supposed to be peaceful. They are literally responsible for ensuring stable relations.
>>97329791I think you're stupid and don't understand what I'm saying.But I'll try to explain it to you so that even you, a lesser beast, can understand.When I say "white guilt" I'm not referring to that nonsense that someone brainwashed you into believing.They feel guilty for being white, and through creating art they try to make up for what they feel they did wrong.Their goal is to change the culture to one that is more tolerant and has progressive values.Do you understand, you stupid inferior trash or do I have to explain more slowly?Why don't you do us all a favor and kill yourself, snowflake?
>>97329471> Germany was only allowed the army by basically sucking off Israel to prove they were trustworthy. They still have to do it to assuage fears of Nazism.That's not true, you're ignoring the entire Cold War to make an argument.
>>97329922And Prime Ministers of Japan have made denialist statements. Shinzo Abe denied comfort women were forced into sexual slavery. So is Abe attacking China and Korea then by that logic? >>97329903Has there been a census of Koreans saying they want to go to war with Japan?And the anon was the one who said a diplomat vocalizing a desire to behead is an attack. So I'm pointing out that by that logic Japan has attacked as well with other shit.
>>97330050>Has there been a census of Koreans saying they want to go to war with Japan?Yes
>>97329903https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_KenkanryuYou want to talk people? Okay let's talk about how a manga series in Japan is literally about hating Koreans >>97330073Show it then
>>97330050The difference is that you consider it an attack that they deny crimes that happened decades ago (it's not true that they denied it).I consider an attack a real attack, like claiming territories or threatening beheading because a politician said that if China attacked Taiwan they would defend themselves.The difference between China and Japan is that Japan does not live in the past, whereas the entire Chinese culture is about hating people who mistreated them decades or centuries ago.
>>97330104>it's not true that they denied it).>https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna10625961Abe denied coercion There's also the Mayor of Nagoya who denied Nanking>https://www.reuters.com/article/world/china-decries-japan-mayor-for-denying-nanjing-massacre-idUSDEE81L0BE/>"There regrettably were conventional battles in Nanjing, but there was no massacre," Mayor Kawamura said.Also as said before, a Japanese politician said they wanted to declare war on Korea and the full statement is ""I want to go to war with Korea. I want to go there with a Japanese sword and kill them."
>>97330087Wow, just one manga. That proves that all of Japan hates Korea with the same intensity they did during World War II.
>>97330202So you're gonna show the census that Koreans want to go to war with Japan then? Or have similar views Naoki "I want to kill Koreans with a sword" does about Koreans, but for Japanese?
>>97330145https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan#
>>97330219Japan can issue an apology and still have politicians deny the shit happened. The two are not mutually exclusive.The original comment was that it's not true they denied it.
>>97330216https://x.com/i/status/1907996679934292130Wait, I'll look for it.Unlike you, I'm not obsessed with the topic. It's amazing how much you hate Japan; the media has brainwashed you spectacularly.
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>>97330310I never made a goalpost of Japan not apologizing. In fact you're the one moving it by changing "never denied" to "they said sorry" >>97330298Okay by that logic, most Japanese deny comfort women and Nanking by voting in Shinzo Abe right?Most Americans want to invade Canada and Greenland because Trump won? Most Americans support Israel because they voted the Israel loving Trump?
>>97330373>never made a goalpost of Japan not apologizing. In fact you're the one moving it by changing "never denied" to "they said sorry"> (it's not true that they denied it).When you argued against this, it means you denied the very notion of the notion; "it's not true that they denied it."The truth is, exceptions aside, that's not the case.You gave a couple of cases of denial and didn't mention the times they apologized, which means you argued that they only denied those crimes.>Okay by that logic, most Japanese deny comfort women....The second point is that you asked me for just one case and I gave it to you. Now you're asking for more, do you know what that means?
>>97330373>According to East Asia Institute (EAI), the recent survey shows more Koreans have strong feeling against Japan.>Japanese -> Korealike: 19%hate: 12%>Korean -> Japanlike: 23%hate: 23%
>>97330447The truth is they DID deny it? Because politicians did? I'm not arguing against them apologizing. I literally showed statements of them denying it. >didn't mention the times they apologizedBecause that wasn't part of the initial argument. You're adding additional requirements to suit your argument That second statement was not aimed at you, it was aimed at the other anon mentioning the prime minister of Korea as a census that Koreans wanted war with Japan. Please read a bit better
>>97330447>>97330480And you're forgetting my main point, there's no real reason why the world shouldn't let Japan arm itself.Korea is armed, China is armed, why can't Japan be armed?Just because they committed some crimes eighty years ago? It doesn't make sense, and neither does your argument that if Japan arms itself they will become the "cuck" of Korea.
>>97330480But it's also true Koreans have a more positive view as your data shows than Japanese do of Korea, 23 vs 19
>>97330488>literally showed statements of them denying it.Yes, and only that, hiding the fact that they apologized more times than they denied it.You're not showing the whole picture.And I'm sorry to tell you that we're dancing this tango just the two of us.
>>97330520Japan IS armed dude. They have a "Self Defense Force" with multiple carriers and destroyers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_destroyerHere's one of the aircraft carrying destroyers. Is that not arming itself?
>>97330531Yes, ignore half the information. That seems to be your area of expertise.
>>97330548You used the argument of Koreans voting the PM as proof they wanted war with Japan. Which is a disingenuous argument.Because by that logic, Americans want to support Israel because they voted for Trump, who loves Israel and sends them more shit.Also if I'm not showing the whole picture because I didn't mention the apologies, by that argument you're not showing the whole picture by not showing the destroyers the Japanese Self Defense Force has.>>97330557You literally ignored the part of Korea liking Japan to focus only on the dislike. That ignoring is what you do best mate.
I have no real dog in this current fight, but I'm reminded of the poll where when SKoreans were asked what they'd do if America invaded NKorea without their consent, a solid fifth defaulted to attacking Japan.
>>97330550lol, I see you've decided to change the argument again.It's impressive that I said it a million times and you ignored it. At no point did I say they didn't have an army, I said they aren't allowed to have a real army.If you don't understand the difference, I'm not going to explain it to you. It's your fault.
>>97330581You're the one changing it lol, you said they are not armed on that very post I am replying to!Fucking lol, changing arguments and then accusing others.
>>97330580Holy shit, that's what I was talking about and I couldn't find it.>>97330577Nigga, you were the one who said that because a couple of politicians said something, it means all of Japan denied the crimes they committed.And if you look at the complete data, the dislike from Korea towards Japan is greater than from Japan towards Korea.
>>97330606>no uOkay, you're an idiot.Read the post again, maybe you'll understand it the second time you try.
>>97330612No I didn't say all of Japan did it. I said Prime Ministers And the complete data has Koreans liking Japan more than Japan likes Korea too. So it's a bit of a mixed result
>>97330620Read your own posts dumbfuck, you literally said they weren't allowed to be armed
>>97324680>Eywa is a demonic parasite tree that they worship/got brainwashed by.This isn't an unreasonable take
>>97325071Why not. If that's what the plot needs, it can happen. Maybe handwave it with psychic arrow tips or something.
>>97330658>>97330659Nobody cares. We're talking about East Asian geopolitics now, tourist.
>>97330658>>97330659Doesnt the fire Na'vi girl hate Eywa for abandoning her? That's what I heard
>>97330675No, I'm done talking. The guy can still hate Japan or intentionally misinterpret what I said.I've had enough; I've never argued with someone so deceitful or brainwashed in my life.I didn't think what I said was so controversial, to be honest.Sorry for ruining the thread, I didn't think we'd drag this out for so long
>>97330758I'm done too man, you can keep shifting arguments and saying you meant one thing after saying another. Never met someone so crazy either man.
>>97330749Has anyone seen this movie? I only saw the first one; I've never seen anyone talking about the sequels to this series outside of 4chan.
>>97330769Of course, it's me who's crazy, not the guy who decided to ruin a thread because he hates Japan.Okay, now that you've won the "argument," what was the point you wanted to make? Why were you arguing?What did you achieve? What was the truth you fought so hard for?I stated my point about four times, but you didn't say it was yours even once.Go ahead, give your victory speech.
>>97330758I don't care about any of it either, but your little spat is far more entertaining than anything even remotely related to avaslop. Thank fuck this thread is dying, at least.Sad that the current state of moderation on /tg/ means the only way offtopic threads die rather than lingering on for a month is to just flood them with shitposts until they autosage, but I guess we can blame bumpfag for that.
>>97330839I didn't even say I hate Japan lol. That's just some strawman you made up to justify your asshattery and blatant bullshit. I ain't giving any explanation to you because you're a lying shitstain who doesn't deserve it
>>97330785I've seen the first one. Everything after is from memes.
>>97330858>>97330893Wow, you suck at this.Not only do you spend the whole thread lying and being trash, but when you get your undeserved victory you can't say why you argued.You can pretend you didn't care, but if you look above you have millions of pieces of evidence to the contrary.And you think you're superior? You think you respect the spirit of /tg/? You're a retard who spent all his time arguing for nothing.Someone who doesn't hate Japan wouldn't spend their time arguing against that country; you have articles saved and ready to discuss.I changed my mind, I won.fuck china,fuck korea,fuck Na'vi,fuck The Imperium,fuck the RDA and fuck nato.Japan deserves a real army, it doesn't matter if you're so mentally retarded that you don't understand what that means.KYS>>97330944Does that mean they're bad but fun?
>>97330785Haven't seen the second but have seen the third. It's both pretty (something that no one seems interested in denying) and fun. I'd say it's better than the first by nearly every metric.>>97330658It is unreasonable in that it requires the most bad faith assumption of what Eywa is with no real evidence to prove what is happening. We have two human characters (Jake and Spider) who get plugged into Eywa, essentially, and nothing really changed about their character/personality to suggest brainwashing.Interestingly, I don't see the people taking that stance even mention the fact the RDA put in their contract that they essentially own the rights to the colonel's existence and can print new ones to keep working for them forever, and this is explicitly stated in the movie.>>97330749More specifically, she hates Eywa because a natural disaster wiped out the environment her tribe lived in and she goes on a personal crusade summed up as "Eywa's a weak bitch who doesn't do shit and I'm going to kill everyone else to prove it."
>>97331138Damn dude no self awareness. You keep changing shit lol and accusing me.I googled shit, you should try it. It's not hard and it's not hatred. Fuck off shitfucker.
>>97331283>Natural disaster fucks your tribe up >Fight GodOkay that's kind of badass
>>97331370Yeah, her and the ash tribe are fun in a way that good villains should be. They're a good show of what you can get when you remove the thing that keeps the Na'vi in harmony with everything.
>>97331311Nah, don't you understand that you lost? Don't you realize that you said you didn't care, but by replying to me you showed that you care a lot?
>>97331434>>97331370>>97331283Wow, this movie looks like it's worth watching.
>>97331448I didn't say I didn't care? Is that something you made up again?
>>97331526See>>97330858>I don't care about any of it either
>>97331588That's not me mate
>>97331606Bro, you really like to lie.
>>97331588>>97331614>>97330858 hereMy first post was >>97330580. Like I said I don't really care if SKorea or Japan are DA REEL WAR CRIMINALS or whatever the fuck you guys were arguing about, I just admire your mutual passion for being superior to anything avaslop related.
>>97331748Okay, can you stop replying to me?
>>97331614I'm not but keep thinking that
>>97331789Not if you're gonna keep acting like a lil bitch.
>>97328062clearly you never played smash bros
>>97331283>More specifically, she hates Eywa because a natural disaster wiped out the environment her tribe lived in and she goes on a personal crusade summed up as "Eywa's a weak bitch who doesn't do shit and I'm going to kill everyone else to prove it."considering Eywa only cares about the balance of life and volcanic activity has been a known factor from day 1 it probably sees the destruction of one na'vi clan as a normal natural event that it shouldn't interfere it. That clan and that part of the forest getting wiped out isn't going to destroy nature, it will literally regrow from the ashes and eventually a new clan will settle that ground.So when that clan that's in the process of getting wiped out pleads to Eywa they get nothing. It was never about helping them, it's only about the big picture.Consider this when making true neutral gods
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>mindrape and war crimes the character
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>>97323983Lol maybe if you include civilians killed
>>97323846>Include civilians in kills>subtract allies lost>add in enemies killed by those allies thoLolAmerican military cope math is something else
>>97332374I wonder how hard American propaganda goes for Israel.Is it bad down there? I'm in Canada and they try pretty hard in some places but most public schools don't shill too hard
>>97332440>I'm in CanadaMy condolences. Anyone autistic enough to post on /tg/ is a prime candidate for MAID, so take care of yourself.
>>97323983>we killed more, so we wonAnd that's how Germany won WW2.
>>97332489365,000 union soldiers died but 290,000 confederates died I guess that means the confederates won!
>>97332006>considering Eywa only cares about the balance of lifeI wouldn't say "only," considering the actual afterlife the Na'vi can hook into to see their dead ancestors, but otherwise, yeah. It's the god of the unpleasant squid monsters as much as it is the god of the na'vi and the horses and the plants and doesn't really seem to play favorites that much.
>>97331879Says the biggest faggot on all of 4chan who can't stop lying.
>>97334127you're the one who keeps fighting strawmen lol
>>97323528Sending in the Astrates to purge a single planet species is just a waste of time for them. Send in the Catachans and they'll be done in like a month or two.
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>>97328718>"Let's just use nuclear weapons and destroy everything first, just in case."Dude, most of their weapons are neon-colored laser weapons, that thing gives you cancer just by looking at it.
>>97323596I hear you, brother. Don't listen to the cucks and shills.
