>TQ
I don’t see how it would be anything but Naval Raiders. There are so few decent third party sculpts and they’re a bit OP.

Also +1 to Anon in last thread asking about Carcass Front. My gut feeling is that it’s the missing piece to take the game from its current state to Mordheim-style cult status.

>>97325305
I wonder how varied they plan to to make the crusader knights, going by the way the explain it they're allowed near heretical beliefs as long as they're useful, what'd that entail?

>>97325305
Miss the regular lore dumps on their site

>>97325305
>TQ
There's no way its not naval riders. They're far too popular for the Hetertic Factions. I'd say they're on par for the "looks" that the New Antioch has over Trench.


Also bros.

There's so much hate threads, I'm out of the loop why are people batshit angry at Trench Crusade? I know that people didn't get their items yet, and their stance on lack of STL/3d printing is really bullshit.

But that can be fixed. Why is everyone screaming its the end of the world?

>>97326400
Because people don't appreciate a rug pull

>>97326410
>Rugpull
The only thing I'm upset about is the whole lack of STL and Print stance they took for whatever reason. Really hurts to know they took that away from the core of the culture, even then. I don't think anyone in the community will truly follow through.

I'm not going to stop printing my army, I'll be damned if I allow a game I enjoy to be slapped like a wet cock on a table. Im gonna do what I wanna do and they frankly cannot stop me.

People are pussies thinking any sort of company has a sway on what you can and cannot do. What they're not gonna let me play in official games? Oh well.

>>97325305
>>97325385
>>97326400
I hope it's NOT naval raiders because i'm currently building a raiders warband and it would suck to have beautiful plastics come out after i'm done spending hours on a kitbash
It absolutely has to be a heretic warband so my vote is for ghosts

>>97326460
As far as i'm concerned, every single faction now has beautiful STLs from factory fortress themselves that cover pretty much every unit
At that point they've fulfilled their obligations to printers imo, they can print the whole game
Variants only in plastic is not preventing anyone from playing the game
And honestly? At this point if we want the game to grow there's no other realistic option
If you want the game to grow you need to occupy space on shelves, game stores often don't allow games that they don't sell and it's the best way to hook new players in
I know for a fact that most stores won't want to carry your product if you sell the exact same miniatures as STLs online
It kinda sucks but they don't have that many more options

>>97326400
It’s just 2-3 dedicated trolls. What they lack in numbers they make up with volume, frequency and retardation.

>>97326565
they think if they trash the game hard enough Arch is going to teach them how to fake an accent like he does

>>97326558
>my vote is for ghosts
Westfalia/Trench Stench is in the process of dropping a fantastic line of ghosts on myminifactory, and they have a close relationship with FF (see: Red Brigade).
I have no doubt we’ll see official Ghost plastics sooner or later but I would not be at all surprised if they’re the Westfalia ones just made into plastics.

I definitely think Naval Raiders will be the next plastics, with a minor chance of Mammons.

>>97326585
>I definitely think Naval Raiders will be the next plastics, with a minor chance of Mammons.

I have to ask, do you mean the Warlock model or the overall army aspects? (not OP)

I want it to be naval raiders so fucking badly
I purposely held off on them

>>97326558
Yeah Mr Rugpull is one of the regular spastics infesting every thread pretending to be a dissatisfied customer. Just ignore him until his wanking hand cramps up and he waddles off to scream at his mother for pizza rolls and Mountain Dew.

Addressing his standard arguments in advance:
>wahh wahh their plastics are at GW pricing
It's slightly more expensive than GW which is understandable as the smaller customer base and lower purchase rates mean that costs are higher per box.
>wahh wahh it's too expensive
'Expensive' is relative. Some GW character models cost as much as this entire box. Plus you only need, at most, 2 of these boxes of plastics to make a warband, which is a lot cheaper overall than the 6-8 boxes plus vehicles and characters you need for crap like 40K.
>wahh wahh I can't afford it
Kitbash, proxy or get a print on demand service to make you one of the dozens of alternative STL options.
>wahh wahh they're just being greedy
The kit is 100% optional and nobody's being forced to buy it.
›wahh wahh it's a rugpull and a betrayal of the 3D printing promise they made
Nowhere did they promise the entire range going forward would all be released as STLs, and I challenge anyone to prove they did.

>>97326615
Have you seen some of the kits on myminifactory? I've been REALLY tempted to pick up some of their models.

>>97326614
The Warlock definitely (eventually) as they DMCA’ed a guy who made a 1:1 Mammon Warlock of Franchina’s art.
I could see them doing basic multipart plastics with expansion frames for greebles and weapons, so your guys have 6-8 bodies per box and you get a frame of heads, arms, weapons and stuff specific to the warband, as well as 1-2 unique leader models.

This would be the smart way to do it as you only need dies for the special stuff, keeping costs per box way down. Wait and see if they do it though.

It would also allow them to sell ‘upgrade sprues’ and character sprues separately.

>>97326648
i've seen a few but not any that quite fit what i have in mind

>>97326648
Yes, and I've held firm so far
Don't tempt me damn it

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>>97326673
>The Warlock definitely
Is it bad to say I really hope we get more units that are based around the Demon Princes/Kings? I think it could be super fun to have more units based around that stuff.

Sucks they DCMA'd the dude tho. Art is fantastic.

>>97326695
How Anon, they look sick as FUCK

>>97326705
Whats stopping u

>>97326767
idk the proportions make them look like toys to me
>inb4 but anon they ARE toys

>>97326775
>idk the proportions make them look like toys to me
I'd say it's far less that they look like toys and more in the clunky nature that they would have at the time. You have to understand in 1907 one of the MOST advanced suits looked like a fucking nutcase.

>Pic

Even so. I can also understand ur plight. Maybe I'm bias since I like old school diver stuff.
https://cyberneticzoo.com/underwater-robotics/1902-7-iron-man-diving-apparatus-capt-enos-b-petrie-american/

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>>97326807
I'm a retard and didnt post

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>>97326807
Maybe it's more historically accurate but it's not really something that speaks to me
I'm more imagining something akin to the solar auxilia
before you lynch me, it's because naval raiders are supposed to be the FAST heretic faction
They go in lightning raids in their diving suits
So I want something half sleek half clunky

>>97326841
>before you lynch me, it's because naval raiders are supposed to be the FAST heretic faction
Anon anyone who lynches u for having an enjoyment out of models not from the direct game is a retard.

Have you thought of maybe just kitbashing them into it? I certainly am looking into now, call it inspiration you've given me.

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>>97326847
I'm kitbashing them right now, inspired by this pic
I'm just explaining why i don't like those specific files you showed

why do people hate this game and say it failed to be an alternative to 40k?

>>97326873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqqNH1jgfY
Its just another kikestarter scam, just with better concept art

>>97326873
they hate it because youtubers told them to
the game never marketed itself as an alternative to 40k, youtubers called it that because they call every newly popular game an alternative to 40k
in short, youtubers are retards and ruin everything

>>97326863
Let me know how it goes anon, I'm excited to see it.

>>97326873
A small but vocal minority hate the game for various reasons. Some hate it because it’s ‘woke’ (banned so-called ‘far-right’ people from the Discord), some hate it because it has a Muslim faction, some because they don’t like background/lore, some for religious reasons, some because they’re worried it’ll steal air from other games, some because they got bad quality models, take your pick.
End of the day, haters gonna hate. I can’t say that mass banning people for politics is a good look but at the same time I also acknowledge that the lore etc they have put out isn’t especially woke, so I don’t blame them for wanting to prevent the Junior Nazis of America and the Obese Transgender Parrot-Hair League turning every thread into a warzone.

I guess the best way to approach it all is to play the game, have fun, and just ignore the retards who are just here to stir up shit who don’t even play the game.

>>97326400
>ANOTHER spam dash and grenades and smg's subfaction

It's all so tiresome

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How do you avoid feeling doomer about whats going on with trench crusade right now
Not FF, I mean the drama and constant grifting around it. Its so annoying and demoralizing

>>97325385
>There are so few decent third party sculpts and they’re a bit OP.
ahem
crimsonsteelmechworks
love those big guys.

>>97326400
>There's no way its not naval riders
I could see them going with Sultanate first, since those tend to be the hardest to kitbash due to the lack of fantasy/sci-fi arab plastic parts. Naval Raiders would be right after them, though.

>>97327152
It's demoralizing, but the trolls will get bored eventually as long as they don't get attention, so we just need to talk about the game and ignore 'em. Which is frustrating because there was a guy spewing literal libel in the terrain thread. Play games and enjoy it, fuck em.

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>>97327152
>How do you avoid
They tend to use buzzwords. Use the filter.

>Its so annoying and demoralizing
Literally just don't care. You're having fun modeling, painting, playing, and learning TC lore, and retards can't have an effect on you if you just dismiss their retard opinions.

>>97326400
>I'm out of the loop why are people batshit angry at Trench Crusade?
Honestly i'm mostly just mad at the people here, it's like pulling teeth for them to admit any issue with the company.
It's like i'm dealing with starcitizen fans
I like the game, but like if i point out
>resin traps in minis
>fulfillment issues
>my issues with the 3d printing
i'm instantly a fucking archfan/bot/troll/ragebaiter.

>But that can be fixed.
i agree, i want to see that.
It's been a year of resin traps,
Instead of say fucking diving in and fixing that or perhaps making sure that wasn't there in the first place there are still traps and that's the thing that chaps my ass.
This is headed by professionals but like i can get better support at times from indie creators i follow.

I'm not a fucking arch fan for grumbling over it.

>>97326565
>with volume, frequency and retardation.
No you dense mother fucker, it's because you people don't have anything to combat it.
No minis, barely any rules discussion, the only thing things happen here is when someone is chimping out.
Not even homebrew or alternative forces.
you know what i'd kill for, a native warband in america, devils exist there, christians landed.
how fucking cool would it be to have an under-equipped native warband.
Make it unique instead of another (a fucking nother) new antioch
I'd want to sit down and look at the culture and see what i could whip up but i really like the idea of it.
problem is there's like 5 rifle armed native models and i think they're all perry.
scale is an issue.

>>97327223
You got scammed, nobody here actually plays the game, they just shill it.

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>>97327223
Why the fuck is it that every concern troll or troll in general really really wants America, thats all they ever talk about when expanding the factions. Who gives a fuck about America and what theyre doing Im tired of hearing about them or what Potential they have

>>97327262
Is it so wrong to have a Euro focused game for a Euro focused conflict without inserting America into it to be le saving grace, Heretics control the sea anyways how would America do anything

>>97327262
>Why the fuck is it that every concern troll or troll in general really really wants America
It's an easy vector to get to the Aztec stuff. That's it.

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>>97327262
>concern troll
This is why i hate you people r.
Like you're stupid, uncreative and deserve this general.
Do you think a concern troll is going to know who manufactures native riflemen and their scale off hand? for this fucking thread?
This is a uncovered part of the setting so I HAVE ample ability to be creative while it's not settled.
but instead of trying to bounce off me, you're just like
"who gives a fuck"
I do,
I think it's really fucking cool, native demon hunters on the edge of civilization, fighting against pagan kin and demons.
I'd need to bury myself into native myth for a while to figure out what to do with it but right now, it's just hard to get native models unless you want the oversized dystopian wars weird west ones.

>>97327289
>euro focused
dude, like the fluff literally discusses that, Spain is holding it's new world trading routes.
this is just creative thinking.

all of this thread sucks.
you go into the other generals there's baiting but there's something lively.
we have no battlereports.
no minis being posted,
no nothing.

>>97327321
Leave then.

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>>97327141
just took a quick one with my webcam haha :P

>>97327032
my brother if it's not a spam grenade dash SMG it's spam grenade dash club
that's what all factions evolve into late campaign

>>97327325
>leave
I do regularly.
I check back every couple months to find this place a waste and my contempt for you people growing every time.

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>>97327321
GTFO esl ragebaiter, maybe take some meds

>>97327346
Leave now.

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>>97327346
Why would I care about the opinion or thoughts of someone who holds contempt for TC and its community in his heart, your opinion holds zero weight

>>97327170
Nah you need to get the posterboys first
After Timmy buys his New Antioch box, Jimmy needs a bad guys box so they can play together

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>>97327361
I hope its a court one, they get no love compared to the other factions

>>97327360
it's okay anon, the thread will go back to normal once arch anf fagovich find their next low hanging fruit drama
probably will throw a shitfit that there's brown people in infinity and that CB took a year to fulfill their kickstarters

>>97327032
>ANOTHER spam dash and grenades and smg's subfaction

I'm hoping the blast meta gets gutted soon. Grenades are nice but I like more action than just having grenades tossed at me like a monkey.

>How do you avoid feeling doomer about whats going on with trench crusade right now

The truth is to find enjoyment in the things that they have done right. There's a ton of communities that have drama, Trench Crusade is a lot smaller than most of those big places.

So the stuff that is fucked up (as them ending STL support is scummy) and their late delays on ordered content is entirely valid.

Even if there's some bumps, it doesn't mean the game is burning actively. We're just seeing disgruntled people. Again people have a right to be upset, I would be too if I was in their place.

>>97327401
Ending STL support is a bit disingenuous imo
The STLs are all there for every unit of every faction and will always be easily available
Factory fortress is supporting indie creators as long as they ask first
Genuinely why does it matter whether you get your files from FFI or from somewhere else
Releasing plastics is necessary to grow the game and they can't do that if they make the models available as STLs

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It does kinda suck how outdated the KS rulebook is going to be in a few months with all the nerfs/buffs the game needs

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>>97327346
>>97327347
>>97327360 (it's not the community, it's you people here)
See this is what i'm getting at.
and look, full circle >>97327387 i am an arch fan now apparently.

the problem, the precise problem i have with you people is you chose to be this way.
I point out the problems here, i'm a concern troll, then a rage baiter, then arch fan.

you know what, fine,
Prove me wrong, post projects, talk about your latest game, post something?
Shucks mister, it'd sure be hard to concern troll over this topic if someone discussed something interesting.

I tried bringing up native warbands, but apparently that's something only fucking arch fans do.

But i'll continue.
The problem with it conceptually is what to do with it.
It overlaps as an idea with the irish.
I want to heavily limit the amount of things they have access to, and replace it with something else and i don't want it to be a new antioch clone.
I'm thinking about making it partially mounted because we don't really see a force like that.
1. warleader who can take a horse
2. a priest
3. skin walker ( a play on the christan warwolves) kinda a melee brusier
and maybe like a support hero shaman.

basic infantry would be 0/0 with ready access to skirmisher
Anything that aren't basic rifles for guns are basically glory locked.

>>97327431
You must be new to tabletop games

>>97327424
>Factory fortress is supporting indie creators as long as they ask first
have they actually gone about that yet?
>Genuinely why does it matter whether you get your files from FFI
maybe i want to print out bits myself.
>releasing plastics is building the game but they can't do that if they make STL
yeah sure plastics is fine but why do you think STLs just rape their bottom line.
the amount of people who can print is tiny comparatively and many prefer plastic.

>>97327439
>pick up rulebook from fucking 20 years ago.
nice, everything's still here and not changed.

>>97327424
>Releasing plastics is necessary to grow the game and they can't do that if they make the models available as STLs

I truly without a doubt understand this. They have to reach out so that their content can grow.

I just worry that they will never release it again on print. Their models can be amazingly well done. I enjoy supporting stuff like that. Indie too. Which I - still believe Trench Crusade would be considered. Maybe not.

>>97327444
>have they actually gone about that yet?
Yes, multiple times
>maybe i want to print out bits myself
You can't print out your own bits if you buy your files from a third party creator?
>yeah sure plastics is fine but why do you think STLs just rape their bottom line
Stores WILL NOT carry miniatures that you can buy STLs for
And following that the majority of stores will not organize events and promote games they don't carry
A lot of them don't even allow you to play games they don't carry

>>97327451
Were you frozen 20 years ago?
Most games now have their rulebooks outdated after a month or two
It sucks but trench is hardly unique in this, not exactly fair criticism
Either way it's either
>Waaaah my rulebook is outdated
Or
>Waaaah they refuse to update their game

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>>97327479
Its not a big deal or anything it just sucks that the Rulebook ive been waiting so long for wont be that useful (then again I just use New Recruit)
its mostly just a nice thing to have for KS buffs, and the Art inside, and hardcover

>>97327463
>Yes, multiple times
I didn't know they formalized it, i know westfallia was there but not the full policy or who has been added

>third party creator
3rd party is an alternative mini line. if i NEED a torso or an arm or whatever i want to be able to just print the one.
Westfallia for instance, how compatible are their bits with the normal heretics?

>Stores WILL NOT carry miniatures that you can buy STLs for
Westfallia sells their minis to stores.
The game is mini-agnostic to start with which does matter.
and honestly i'm just not buying this arguement, there's so many presuppositions that aren't really supported.

>>97327503
Can't really argue that
I'd just like to get a nice art and lore book separate from the rules like infinity does

>>97327511
You clearly have no idea how the industry works and don't want to learn so I'll stop trying

Anons I wanna find a good themeatic model for a radio guy, not that it'd do anything in game I just think it'd be neat to have. Running a Trench Pilgrim army too.

Any recommendations for Kitbashing/models?

>>97327538
Depends, what models are you using for your warband?

>>97327547
For the most part, my Pilgrims are the standard FF with a Pilgrim Warprophet and Communicate with the Pilgrim helmet.

I enjoy the Iron Capirote.

>>97327565
In that case you probably have an imperial guard player near you with plenty of radio packs to spare

>>97327587
Yeah but I feel like those packs are too modern for it being in a 1914 timeline. U know?

Also I can't find ANY good musician stuff either, nothing that doesn't look utter horrible next to my army.

>>97327594
Having a radio guy of any sort is too modern for WW1, they used wired phones back then

>>97327638
>Having a radio guy of any sort is too modern for WW1, they used wired phones back then
You make a great point.

What would be something that could be a good place in for that? Something could be used that way in Trench Crusade, I just don't know what. I'm a stickler for sticking to timeline aspects.

I've been gone for half a year. Has the story progressed much since then or are subfactions still getting added

>>97327717
>Has the story progressed
This isn't 40k.

>>97327732
Not OP but I do hope we can get some stories, like a book or two.

>>97327732
https://youtu.be/qQU48q0eSzQ?si=70O63RbMIDnsJpnG
In this interview the lead lore writer said they would progress the story in events like the fall of cadia

>>97327824
I wonder when Anons will write short stories. If they're good enough, I'll narrate them for fun. Gives me something to do while I'm not terribly busy.

>>97327824
Once all the factions are out I would love for different clashes between them advancing the story. I wonder how accurately it mirrors actual WW1, or how big decisions will be made.
Also would love a few books from different factions, give me a Path of the Best that has fun illustrations and cover art that looks like skin.
>>97327863
I wonder how far away we are from that popularity wise, I would guess we will get fan made stories within the next two faction releases

>>97327436
The “problems’ you point out are nebulous at best and intentionally maliciously exaggerated at worst and have been addressed multiple times already. I think I speak for almost everyone in the thread when I say we’re tired of your schtick and your constant moronic repetition of non-points.

Just fuck off.

>>97327703
Someone carrying a reel of wire or a cage of pigeons.

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When do you guys think we get some news on Carcass Front campaign book? The book and minis are now handled, with possible few exceptions.

>>97328430
Maybe in half a year, depends on if they want to update the rules or release a new box alongside the book. I imagine they'd want to sell a few minis with the book.

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>>97327436
I don't really understand why people kept bringing up American warbands to the point it became a retard dogwhistle.
>I want to heavily limit the amount of things they have access to, and replace it with something else and i don't want it to be a new antioch clone.
I'm thinking about making it partially mounted becaubla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Trench Crusade is a models agnostic game. Don't you think that if you're so brimming with genius ideas about how to design a faction, you could just make those models and then play the game using them? Or even design custom rules/play a different game with them? Why are your sperg opinions so precious that it makes the game objectively bad if they aren't followed?

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I go inspired by a artwork in one of the MtG threads. How's this for a special bomb for the Artillery Witch?

-- Mind Bomb --
Cost: 2 GLORY
May use this instead of casting an Infernal Bomb.
1-Handed, 24", BLAST 3", IGNORE COVER, IGNORE ELEVATED POSITION, IGNORE LONG RANGE, RELOAD, SCATTER.

INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS: Add -1 DICE to the next Success Roll taken for enemy models that are hit by the blast.

FROM MY MIND TO YOURS: If a model was the target for an Infernal Bomb and hit by it, or if the Mind Bomb scattered and the target point was on the model’s base, roll 3D6 and add all 3 dice together. Any +INJURY DICE or -INJURY DICE that applied to the Injury Roll will apply normally, except that you pick the 3 highest or lowest dice in the roll instead of the 2 highest or lowest. If the injury check is a Success or Critical success you may choose to only inflict a BLOOD MARKER then move the model D6". The move must be in a straight line, but can be in any direction, and can be used to make the model move with 1" of an enemy or retreat, and to Climb a sheer surface, Jump across a gap, or Jump Down. Injury Rolls for other models caught in the Infernal Bomb’s Blast are made normally.

>>97328614
No, you don’t understand. Factory Fortress and Tuomas Pirinen are discriminating against the guy personally by not immediately releasing rules and lore supporting his headcanon.
(In fact the topic of Native American warbands is verboten on the official message boards, because half the fags on there say you can’t make them without being racist/colonialist, and the other half say you have to make them or you’re being exclusionary and discriminatory)

>>97326873
Game is decent, but pedophile trannies latched to it

>>97328749
That's a really funny idea
Or maybe it leaves a marker on the ground with a -1 dice aura
If a model gets direct hit, it becomes the marker

>>97329032
Its more that the team sold out hard, speedran a corporatization of a passion project and allowed the game to be so sterilized that crazy terminally online people feel "safe" with spreading their politics.

>>97328749
>>97329103
updated and clarified it a bit. The idea is that you sacrifice 12" of range and SHRAPNEL but turn the Artillery Witch from a damage dealer to a control piece.

-- Mind Bomb --
Cost: 2 GLORY
May use this instead of casting an Infernal Bomb.
1-Handed, 24", BLAST 3", IGNORE COVER, IGNORE ELEVATED POSITION, IGNORE LONG RANGE, RELOAD, SCATTER.

INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS: Add -1 DICE to the next Success Roll taken for enemy models that are hit by the blast.

FROM MY MIND TO YOURS: If a model was the target for an Mind Bomb and hit by it, or if the Mind Bomb scattered and the target point was on the model’s base, roll 3D6 and add all 3 dice together. Any +INJURY DICE or -INJURY DICE that applied to the Injury Roll will apply normally, except that you pick the 3 highest or lowest dice in the roll instead of the 2 highest or lowest.
If the injury check is a Minor Hit result you may move the model D6" in addition to dealing 1 Blood Marker. The move must be in a straight line, but can be in any direction, and can be used to make the model move with 1" of an enemy or retreat, and to Climb a sheer surface, Jump across a gap, or Jump Down.
If the injury roll is a Down or Out of Action result you may choose to, in addition to the effects for Minor Hit, inflict a 6" area around the model where all actions are considered RISKY until the Artillery Witch's next activation, after which the effect dissipates.
Injury Rolls for other models caught in the Infernal Bomb’s Blast are made normally.

>>97329226
Ironically I think it would fit better in new Antioch, they're the control faction
Or maybe knights of avarice, the got fun similar tools

>>97329347
The effects are sort of a mix of Heretic Priest's Puppet Master and the Chorister's -DICE aura

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Now that the dust has settled, why did Trench Crusade flop?

>>97331159
It didn't. Stop listening to youtube agitators looking for ragebait dollars

>>97331159
People liked the idea of Trench Crusade, more than Trench Crusade itself.

>>97326893
This. Exhibit A:>>97326884

The Youtuber cope is to distract you from the fact that they rugpulled printfags on top of making shitty prints.

>name's Januz. Januz Strakon
>heretic legion line trooper
>trench designation K-17, frozen north front
>boots full of mud, soul full of sins
>assigned to forward battery detail

>she arrives at dusk
>no footsteps
>no breathing
>just an armored shape in a shroud stitched with sigils that hurt to look at
>she raises one hand
>the sky tears open and screams with flame and shrapnel
>enemy trench ceases to exist

>weeks pass
>start noticing things
>she always stands closer to me than anyone else
>even adjusts my helmet strap once
>armored fingers cold as spent casings

>try talking to her one day
>feel stupid immediately
>she responds with hand gestures
>no one taught me this language
>have no idea what she's saying

>>97331545
>night bombardment
>counterfire hits our position
>wake up in crater that use to be our dugout
>lungs full of mud and curses
>she’s there
>shroud torn to shreds
>mud and someone's guts caked all over her armor
>standing over me
>calling down explosive death from the very hell itself
>like a valkyrie of the old tales

>later
>offer her my rations
>she doesn’t eat
>but she makes a small motion
>almost like a head tilt
>and what my mind perceive as a smile behind her blank visage
>if smiles were forbidden geometry that makes the back of your eyes itch

>>97331567
>rumors spread
>trooper’s gone soft in the head
>trooper’s talking to the Witch
>trooper’s marked by fate
>i don’t care

>when she gestures for me to follow, I do
>when she points at the sky, I duck
>when she rests her head against my shoulder
>even the glare of the Hellgate feels comforting somehow

>maybe she was made in Hell like they say
>maybe she's nothing but a construct
>a suit of armor filled with Hell's will
>but somehow she chose me
>and in this war
>that’s the closest thing to companionship you can find

>>97325385
the Carcass Front is going to be what makes or breaks TC IMO
if its great then people will love TC and the gameplay can catch up to the lore and art in quality
if its shit then TC will lose even more steam and i doubt the band waggoneers will be able to keep the momentum up
really their biggest stumble is not releasing their books at the same time im kind of hoping Carcass Front does well so we get more campaigns and things like old warhammer where players felt invested in the building world

>>97326155
i mean it seems pretty obvious to me its TC space marines/ custodes
genetically enhanced troops as a baseline in smaller numbers with a bigger unit to handle other factions bigger unit, like war wolves or praetors
maybe a smaller "squire" or "serf" unit to fill in the lack of troop numbers

>>97331390
bingo
The thing that annoys me is that people complain about people wanting it to not be euro centric but then also complain when people argue against making it a "every religion is correct" game
pick a lane do you want it focused or not

>22nd earliest delivery begins on books in NA
>could be late Feb you get them
FACTORY FORTRESSSS
ILL HAVE YOUR ASS ON A STAKE FOR THIS

>>97331574
>i hope you get domed by a sniper priest

>>97331545
>>97331567
>>97331574
Heretic Yuri nice
But when’s the Holy Yuri between a Female Heavy Mechanized and a Yeoman

>>97331706
Not only is it that every religion can fight Abrahamic demons but they're too pussy to go all in on the animism/pagan religions that would have been active during the time period because you can't make certain cultures look badass (savage).

>>97327863
>'Twas a cold and dreary night in the trenches, and the only sounds were those of faithful soldiers enjoying mouldy hardtack and fly-infested bratwürst.
>Suddenly, the watchman rushed in, covered in blood, shit and mud. Everyone was covered in blood, shit and mud, but the watchman a little more than the rest.
>"What news, brother Auguramus? Is it the demons?"
>"No, brother Hans" replied the watchman. "Yuo are the demons."
>And then Hans was beaten to death by fifteen shovels.

Happy new year, anon.

>>97329226
The problem with this is that nobody would need a Chorister any more. I like the idea but I think it could only balance if it was ‘either/or’, so whichever your first cast was, that’s what you use for the rest of the game.

>>97332143
Yeah maybe make it a replacement/upgrade for the regular Infernal Bomb instead of an option.

>>97331390
yes and no
a lot of "influencers" marketed TC as "New 40k!" "is this the death of warhammer?" "This new game is warhammer but good?"
Trench crusade was never that and never tried to be that, FFI never marketed it as that
Trench Crusade is and always was Mordheim 2
People who came in wanting Mordheim 2 got Mordheim 2 and are happy

>>97332143
OR
Combine it with a Mammon chorister and shut down the whole board

>>97331653
Carcass front is NEVER coming out
Last time Factory Fortress even mentioned it was over a year ago
it's obvious they gave up

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>97331159
>97332432
remember to not give terminally online demoralized people like those any (you)s.

>>97331672
I think the crusader knights will be the "court" of the faithful side. Few powerful, maybe specialized, knight units, with squires supporting them.

Bit of info for folks on a recent bugfix for the trench companion, we have had to be stricter on what urls are valid for very boring business purposes, so anything that ends with a '/' will not be the proper page.
So "https://trench-companion.com/compendium/warbands/court-of-the-seven-headed-serpent" is fine
But "https://trench-companion.com/compendium/warbands/court-of-the-seven-headed-serpent/" is not
Not our favourite change, but just a practicality concern.

>>97326624
>Nowhere did they promise the entire range going forward would all be released as STLs, and I challenge anyone to prove they did.

Not a promise, but a shift on philosophy. Quoting directly from their page:
>"We’re big believers in 3D printing and what it brings to wargaming, especially to our community members who are located in regions that are expensive to ship to. Therefore, the entire range will be available as STLs, both unsupported and professionally pre-supported, for you to print at home."

https://www.myminifactory.com/frontier/trench-crusade-late-pledge-3423

How can someone say this isnt betrayal?

I decided to check out what the fuzz was about with the STL file drama and I have no idea what people are upset about. The STL files can still be bought via Factory Fortress, nothing is gone.

>>97327531
>you don't know how the industry works
Bro every single store i'm near doesn't operate like this and never have.
>but this is just conjecture you don't have data.
i know i'm asking you for it.
you made a sweeping statement without support.

>>97332784
It's pretty obvious they were referring to the Kickstarter miniatures
Nice of you to ignore context

>>97326558
>As far as i'm concerned, every single faction now has beautiful STLs from factory fortress themselves t
And what about factions that are yet to released? Tomman has been talking about a Hebrew knight faction that has in the works interviews for ages. If there are no more stl to be released then you will never be able to print something first party for than and any other factions that is yet to come out.

>>97328947
>want to homebrew a faction
>some how retard goes on a tangent about the rules makers
you guys have fucking brainworms or something.

>>97328614
>Or even design custom rules/play a different game with them?
that's literally what i'm trying to do and i'm asking for input.
like i literally started my entry to the chain with this.
I don't need or want toumas to make it, in fact i explicitly say that America is great BECAUSE it's not covered by them because if you want to be creative you can do whatever the fuck you want. i don't want them touching it unless they want to.

and since you asked for this,
the minis are what i'm struggling for the most with.
there's very few ranges that i think make a good base, and most of those ranges for some reason don't have a lot of guns despite the fact that natives had ample access to long arm trade. because of trade i think i could grab American colonists from perry or other napoleonics and get out a clever problem is it's a bit out of scale for TC

currently WW exodus doesn't even stock their Warrior nation anymore which, well i didn't even really like and while i think they're inscale and they're a bit much.
if you have ideas i'd be down, it's rough hunting for this and i think i'm going to have to do a lot of work particularly to get a mounted commander and maybe about 2 mounted troopers.
currently i'm eyeing old death wolves for elites but they're a bit... warcraft like most hordes minis.

the conceptual problem i have is that it's too close to the Irish.
honestly it'd be pretty easy just to take the irish and run them as natives. fuck native MA would be cool.
I thought a bit more about it and i think effectively as a starting point it should be a middle point between NC and TP. Less well equipped, no zealot strength but having access to phunt gun, molovs and other things like that.
limited access to armour likely nothing better than -1

>>97327538
>>97327703
I think you could pull it off if you got something with like heavy tubes and big clunky dials and shit.
like get a cadian pack, cut it down and extend it up and down, drill out some holes on the right for brass rod. bulk out the shape.
I suggest making it a giant cross and placing a bird on top of it and having like one of those jewellers wire trailing behind like a cable.
it. gives it immediate religious connotation, fits the setting, makes it look like it fits the period by making it look an extension of that technology.
also get some UV resin for Cathode tubes.
depends on how crazy you want to go
bare in mind pigeon cages can work, i can link a video for it it's just a bitch.

>>97333021
I'm not going to start arguing about hypotheticals that might happen in the future

>>97326624
>It's slightly more expensive than GW which is understandable as the smaller customer base and lower purchase rates mean that costs are higher per box.
Do not check what the prices are of 1/35 plastic tank scale models. Do not check what's featured in them and the technology (exampe TAMIYA) with their fitting and assembly parts.

>>97333422
example*

>>97333422
Because sculpting and cutting a historical tank that we have a ton of references for or a highly detailed miniature take the same amount of time and effort

>>97333488
m8
Sculpting a tank and making it into +1000 assembly parts is actually way harder than what you're talking about. Especially because of fitting.

>>97333497
If you're gonna spew bullshit at least make it half believable

>>97332208
yeah as long as they actually received their shit undamaged which apparently a shitload of people didnt

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>>97332432
Saved for future mockery purposes.

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>>97332784
“The entire range” is referring to the specific Kickstarter minis you disingenuous fuck. They didn’t say “the entire range and all future releases.”
At the time the Kickstarter was released I’m pretty sure they thought it would be a ‘one and done’ but after getting 3.3 milly the lights went on and they thought “shit, we could be on to a good thing here”.

>>97332777
Checked. Based companionbro, can you please let the team know we are eagerly awaiting news of the Carcass Front expanded rules?

>>97333218
Here’s your input. If you come in here sperging out about how we’re all despicable arseholes and the community (as represented here, anyway) are a bunch of stupid uncreative dense motherfuckers… you’re not exactly starting out winning hearts and minds.

For the record, I am willing to put aside all that and have a look at your home brewed warband. As we’ve seen in previous threads, custom rules and warbands tend to the OP side, so I would be interested in seeing what you come up with, and will happily provide constructive feedback if you’d like it.

>>97333422
>Price of A and price of B are roughly similar because of factors X and Y
>AHA WHAT ABOUT THE PRICE OF C, DIDN’T THINK OF THAT DID YOU, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS
You sure are fucking dense. I’ve been building g Tamiya, Hasegawa, Revell, Monogram, ERTL and even Gundam kits since the early 1980’s. The market for scale models is way bigger than Trench Crusade, and arguably even GW.

You may want to reconsider gotchas that involve shooting your own argument in the foot.

>>97333497
I literally and unironically work in super high precision 3D CAD/CAM (maxillofacial prosthetist and epitheticist) and you have literally no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
Rapid prototyping, digital scanning, automated milling (in my case, zirconium oxide, titanium and surgical steel) and more are nowhere near as complex as you think.
In my opinion we are less than 5 years off affordable home die-milling/injection moulding systems and automatic insertion-path cutting and sprueing software.

>>97333763
>if you come in here
I understand your perspective here, and i want to thank you for giving me the time of day on this.

For my perspective this is also not the first time i've had people out of nowhere call me an arch fan here or go on about me being a troll not even because i'm saying things people dislike but because i have an interest that people are hyper sensitive to.

so his is going to be a bit of a rough dump.
I've been toying with it but i don't have a good enough grasp of the game yet to know if i'm suffering from "mod-megalomania" simplicity and synergy are key and i'm not beating toumas on a warband creation contest anytime soon, man's got 30 years on me there.

so here's the basic list, it's gonna take some extra posts.

First things first the equipment table

Basically I’m taking the Trench pilgrim equipment list but removing
The automatic or semi auto weapons, halberds, tank hammer, shields, and iron hoods, warcrosses can stay like a throwing axe.

I was thinking about giving them a carbine/lever actions 18” range, +1 dice to hit, two handed but you can use it whilst mounted 30~ ducat. And a crossbow which is 18, +1 to injury, burning but reload. I feel like 20-30 ducats, reload is harsh in how this is supposed to play might lose the burning.

The final one the one I’m most concerned about is the horse/bike
It’s battlekit, increases your movement to (8 I guess, tend to be the going rate, I think we could spring for 10”.) requires one hand, grants a passive +1 injury dice on the charge. About 50 points for it.
I’ve debated giving it a pseudo tough, like if you were to go out and you didn’t have tough you lose the horse and you continue as infantry. I’ve also considered giving it a backed in reinforced armour as an alternative. But honestly just increasing your speed on an elite is good. limit 2-3 I think.

>>97333763
>>97334765
Army rules baked in should be the Irish -1 to be hit when withdrawing from melee and elites are immune to fear (I’m worried that’s a bit much)

>This is where everything gets a bit rough, to make a cohesive force I want this to stay at mid-range with enemies it can’t kill and then hit the enemy when fully prepared. Flavor has to come after and I need to do more research.

>How the elites fit together is the problem.
>The warleader should be a lead from the front unit
>Then I think a priest who’s advising, call it perhaps a Jesuit exorcist, going to be a 0/0 elite but most of his abilities are risky actions. Somewhere between witchburner and NA priest.
>The other elites I think are either an animist, a bigger hunter(like the castigator) or a tough melee guy, either “brave” or “skin walke”r(I’m looking up the proper context and language, likely Mohawk influence but I’d need to look a Sioux as well.)

>I think the basic trio would work like this.
>You have the animist to pin the Jesuit to buff/apply blood markers and the warleader to finish them off
>Also potentially a !not communicate skin walker to be your tough boy but I’ve been debating it.
There’s a lot of space to add native witches, make alternative armies later, that’s the main game plan above.

First elite is the War leader
85 1/2/0 6 inch movement. Skirmisher, tough, leader, elite, one required.

>>97333763
>>97334765
>>97334770
>I’m thinking a special rule that allows him to disengage and charge again without penalty if he used a bloodpath or took the enemy out of action during his first charge.

>Also +1 to diving charges maybe, I don’t really like this because there are explicit VPs for doing this on some levels but I also want this to be a terrain depenant mid range list that wants to play with terrain rules. I can shelf it, it’s a sub-gimmick

Second elite the priest
60 ducat 0/0/0.

Risky action blessed weapons – for the next activation target model within 3 inches gains critical on their ranged and melee weapons.

Risky action – gods wrath – like the witchburner but half range

Onward Christian soldiers as in NA

60 animist 1/1/0 elite, skirmisher

Naturalist – ignores difficult terrain, adds +1 to dangerous terrain rolls/diving attacks and beast models make melee attacks against this model a -1

Spirit’s wrath- take a risky action an enemy model within 24 must take a dangerous terrain check at the start of it’s activation. If it is already in dangerous terrain it does so with -1 dice.

Risky action ground parting – target model within 3 ignores difficult terrain/dangerous terrain effects

Mooks

Warriors – 30 ducats for the standard human mook, every other can be brave [looking for more authentic term] they gave skirmish and either +1 to melee or ranged.

Hunters – 40 ducates 1/0/0 skirmishers
Gain critical against BEAST/DEMONIC models

Outriders 1/1/-1 for 80-10, starts with a horse that cannot be removed or sold, skirmisher.

>I feel like it needs a mook here to round it out, maybe like a sub elite melee boy or something with an extra weird rule like the engineer, something to add spice.

>>97334778
>>97334770
>>97334765

Big dumb guy - skin walker or something similar. Monster, tough, strong, beast, fear
Can’t take weapon, fights like a ware wolf without ignore amour.
Ignores difficult terrain
2/2/-2 8” tough likely 150-160 ducates

ignores difficult terrain, adds +1 to dangerous terrain rolls/diving charge

It could also take a risky action to grab the enemy the enemy and throw it, -1 if the enemy is on a 60mm base. Range is 8, the thrown is subject to falling as if it was 3 minimum and any model targeted by it is subject to an injury roll equal to the targets armour value reversed (i.e. -1 becomes +1, and so on)
>Not sure if I want to keep this, it sounds fun to just diving charge into a grab and then throw someone’s infantry at another but being able to throw from heights might make it a bit much.

I'm trying to stick to the vanilla warbands as much as possible,
3 starting elites.
I'm pulling mechanics that exist already rather than trying to make things whole cloth to keep the feel.
I fear i'm not leaning into the demon hunter part of it as much as i could but i think just taking the TC fanatic equipment list is important
a lot of character shows up between stats and equipment.
i also debated giving it a bit more western equipment and steer pulpy.

>>97334800
As a final note, i think i figured out what it was missing

Wolves/dogs/ravens

I've thought about this less but having access to animals was my original plan for the animist, to have him be able to throw blood-markers at range and support beasts in a 3-6 inch aura.

I also debated giving the skinwalker a shape shifter ability to turn flying or move faster but he's already an 8 inch moving ignores terrain guy.

i think i'm leaning more native sterotype than native authentic or native mythical. i want to delve a bit more into native myths but i tend to turn up the great peace maker and dividing the white, red and black serpents.

i think they could also use a woman in the elite slot because natives tend to be matralinear societies (at least the ones i looked at). the peacemaker's earliest ally being a woman (this is the confederation)
I'm very not tempted to make it sioux v Haudenosaunee as heretic v faithful.
i might need to break out the history, but i feel like the natives are gaining aid from the europens because either via their own myths/hell feels it can act openly here but they're allowed alot of autonomy to practice their traditions.

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>>97328947
Amerifat's are truly the cancer of the internet.

I made a fucking Māori TP warband, with fanfiction and homebrew.
I made them because the historical premise of good ol' Tangata Whenua VERY far from home to try and rescue nature from those who destroy her sounded cool.
I made them Trench Pilgrims because it made sense, and I respected the lore of the setting.
And I then made minor tweaks to weapon permissions and gave them a weaker, but cheaper 'icon armour' that was a Moko. They can't take rifles or machine guns, but they get slightly better polearms and cheap E-tools.

No problems, and the few remarks I got were wholly positive for the premise, and the homebrew.


But amerifat's can't into homebrew, the same way they can't into kitbashing.
They NEED official material about their 'land of the free to get capped in the skull for driving lol', in the same way they NEED official models to buy from the official people, so they can play the game.

It takes half an hour to write some homebrew or fanfiction. But instead they just post shit like "What about America?" "What's happening in America during all this?" "When are we getting an America faction in this gaem?" and hope someone else might do it for them.


Honestly, TC was better when there weren't official models. These kinds of retards just couldn't get a single handhold into the hobby, so it was just gamers who had the skills and experience to willingly kitbash a whole squad from non-gw bits and be happy.

>>97335032
>They can't take rifles
Hongi Hika disapproves.
https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc?si=oYsFIIoYQWmJKVpf

>>97334765
Just treat lever-actions as bolt actions. Any tech you see in an American warband would be well known globally and you don’t want to be adding special new weapons when existing ones do the job. You’re building a new warband, not a new weapon system.
Crossbows don’t fit the ‘American’ theme at all and are a cunt to reload, not to mention that bowstrings notoriously lose tension when wet. Nobody would want to be relying on a slow, short-ranged, unreliable, weather-dependent

>>97335163
*hit post by mistake fml
Weather-dependent weapon when rifles are available. Doubly so if you’re skirmishing light infantry.

Horse/bike I could see having a 12” move/charge but no dash, but you’re going to need to think about move penalties as well. Climbing more than 2-3” is completely off the table. Jumping down/diving charges ditto, although jumping over things up to 3” should count as Fly (no penalty or test) as long as you are moving at least say 8”.

+1 injury on Charge sounds good as long as you’re using a melee weapon, and limiting to one-handed melee weapon is sensible.
I’d propose a ‘breakthrough’ charge too, if you retreat from combat you must do it forwards as wheeling a mount in the middle of a melee is a good way to get killed.
Also, Tough and +1 armour seems appropriate, but allowing the mount to be separate in any way is just going to complicate shit. Think of it as an upgrade to the character not a separate model.

>>97334770
>Immune to fear
Make it an paid option for up to 4 models, just like Papal States.
>War Leader
Seems fine.
>priest/naturalist
What would be cool is having the priest affect your guys and the ‘naturalist’ (or Shaman, or animist, or whatever) only able to affect the enemy. Making the earth open up and swallow people is a bit goofy. But what if you hit them with a spell that made them fall face down and start stuffing dirt and mud down their own throat? Now THAT’S proper grimdark.
(Cont)

>>97334778
I don’t think you need more mooks. Most factions have, what, three? Four at most? You’re designing a light infantry force not a Swiss Army knife. I don’t think additional cavalry is a good idea (there’s a reason people didn’t go over the top riding horses in WW1).

>>97334800
>Skin Walker
Probably better to use Manitou (bringer of balance) than skinwalker (explicitly evil). Just a cultural point. Other than that seems fine.

>animals
Not a lot of domesticated species available to native Americans that are combat-capable but I can see war dogs working. Wolves are notoriously difficult to train and what’s a raven going to do?

You have some good ideas but you need to keep the KISS principle in mind. Choice of no more than 4-5 elites, 3 mooks and a novelty unit like war dogs. You want your guys to have a distinct flavour and the best way to do that is by avoiding the ‘Swiss army knife’ temptation and make them specifically good at 1-2 things so it’s up to the player to play to their strengths.

>>97334836
>i think i'm leaning more native sterotype than native authentic or native mythical
Yeah here’s where your trouble will start. Stereotypes are ‘racist’ but you don’t want to appropriate a specific tribe’s culture or mythology either. It’s a tightrope. You don’t want to apportion a Shawnee practice belief or item to an Iroquois.

I think the whole thing is a grenade for your pants but it’s a free country. Good luck dude.

>>97327192
>I'm not a fucking arch fan for grumbling over it.
Yes you are. Sane people just move on from these things (because it's all minor inconveniences at worst). You have the rules, the game is model-agnostic, PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. Free your mind from
>I just... I just need more official(tm) minis... I need to buy them I NEED MORE I NEED OFFICIAL LICENSED CERTIFIED LORE-ACCURATE PERSONALLY BLESSED BY THE STUDIO stuff
Delusion. Play the game. Write the lore.

>>97335374
Truly this is the only way, besides I love seeing all proxy armies. In fact they inspire me to do more of my own stuff.

Its also what's gotten me into digital Kitbashing

>>97335429
What truly makes me upset is that people don't simply want cool minis (a completely understandable desire), but that they treat the lack of said minis as "game isn't real and it's not playable".
It's fucking surreal when applied to TC.
>So you want to play Trench Crusade?
>Yes. I really want to play it.
>Trench Crusade, the game that was specifically marketed as model agnostic? The game that was specifically designed in a way where you as the player don't need to wait for or buy official minis, or read a dozen codices to understand what's going on? The game that is all about fucking with your own custom warband and coming up with lore for your dudes?
>Yes! Exactly! And I like Trench Crusade because of all the points you've just listed!
>So play Trench Crusade.
>I can't.
>Why? The rules are out.
>It doesn't have official minis for me to collect and there's not enough lore and worldbuilding, it's unplayable.
Like, COME ON. There's literally nothing stopping you from coming up with your squad of Holy Shemales of St Bigdickus and kitbashing tits, ass and cocks to your hearts content. Absolutely nothing except your mind was warped by GW.

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>>97335429
>digital kitbashing
Likewise.

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>>97335513

A certain youtube outrage merchant made a video and now people are pretending that the sky is falling.

>>97331808
>>97331574
>Stigmatic Nun and Artillery witch yuri
>Both try to corrupt each other through the holy power of rough sex
Would there be anything more peak?

>>97335429
THE GAME IS MINIATURE AGNOSTIC THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROXY

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>>97336140
you gay lmao

>>97326558
>If you want the game to grow you need to occupy space on shelves
>I know for a fact
its a good thing youre a fat retard on the internet, anyone listening to you would be out of business by the end of the year

Man I can't wait until some retard YouTuber finds a typo in the konflikt47 rulebook and all the nogames shitposters move on to that thread

>>97336196
K47 models aren't ticking timebombs that can hurl toxic liquid resin everwhere though so it'll never happen

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>>97327192
>>97327192

>>97336148
My soft spot for futa porn doesn't make me wrong. Saying 'proxy' is incorrect when referring to TC because TC is miniature agnostic, so custom minis are the goal, not a workaround.

>>97325305
How about you guys give the rest of your backers their fucking minis that aren't mini resin bombs before abandoning everything to be a shitter Games Workshop.

>>97336206
Oh so they're exploding now?

>>97336238
Pretty much the design for the 3d Printed minis are so bad they have resin traps in the figure that can crack or even explode months later. So yeah

>>97336258
How is this stuff regulated I mean wouldn't it be pretty bad if toxic chemicals that leak VOCs start spilling everywhere? Wouldn't this normally warrant a complete recall of affected batches?

>>97335478
It's not necessary to blame GW, a good share of the planet are genuinely paralyzed at most tasks unless the steak is cut up for them and scary new challenges like envisioning the model from bits are removed.
Moving to consulting was the smartest thing I ever did. You just tell people to do what you would have had to do for them as a coworker.

>>97336206
>>97336238
>>97336258
Hi karovich or whatever your name was, kill yourself

>>97336258
I was being sarcastic because you don't know what a resin trap is and it shows
That's not how they work

>>97336357
NTA, doesn't really matter you can't knowingly sell uncured plastic resin to people like that. The fact other printing companies can recognize the design faults at a glance before even starting a print is especially damning

>>97336234
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>>97336281
>>97336401
Just a reminder that there have not been A SINGLE FUCKING SHRED OF PROOF that le resin traps are present in any minis. Absolute worst that was proven is that on one piece of terrain the lower side is a bit wonky.

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>>97325305
>find myself out of touch with the hobby
>return after a year
>trench crusading is self-destructing
what the fuck have I missed?

>>97336452
Youtube ragebait drama over a nothingburger issue.

>>97336425
Exactly
Janovich himself said he didn't try to print the models, he just asked grok

>just 3d print the toxic timebombs goy

>>97326558
You can excuse yourself all you want
Doesn't mean people accept your excuses as valid
Some people wanted an STL backed game
Some people wanted something different than GW model, irrespective of it's stl or not, they just didn't want GW model
What you got... is GW model of plastic sprues and no more stl backing, so those people are pissed.
I don't think it's that hard to understand

>>97336511
>no more stl backing
Proofs?

>>97336495
SHARTovich needs to be raped by russians
He's a dishonest gnome whose 'expert analysis' always, without fail, boils down to
>*in a nasally faggot voice* So I looked at some reddit and twitter screenshots and it kinda sorta looks bad I'm not going to check the sources of course it's all terrible and bad and it's over

>>97336511
Oh yeah it's so bad that the game plummeted and no one's playing it anymore
Wait, the player base is consistently growing
What could this mean?

>>97336546
>He thinks growth means people like the game
Lol
Lmao even

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>>97336452
well, there was some map drama

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>>97336583
That's not what it says.

>>97336583
Are we reading the same post? They specifically say that there will be more STLs

>>97336425
>ust a reminder that there have not been A SINGLE FUCKING SHRED OF PROOF that le resin traps are present in any minis.
don't they have an excel file with that,
like if you mean after being fixed or whatever then uh... but if the devs acknowledged that then well there's the proof.

>>97336598
>>97336601
there's a part there that says "to be clear as possible with this" but I think you are too retarded to keep reading or something?
Truly the brainlet fanbase

>>97333699
>45min about the future of Trench Crusade
>Only mentions of selling minis
>not a word about Carcass Front
Anon...

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>>97336632
Did you not read the paragraph after that?

Anons,

Everyone has a right to feel upset at the whole starting issues with Trench Crusade. It's dumb to not expect some growing pains. I hope they're able to give everyone their stuff or offer refunds.

I don't think the vile anger and hate is doing anything productive

>>97335163
>Crossbows don’t fit the ‘American’ theme
it does fit the demon hunter.
this the flavour problem, i need to sit down and get a broad flavour, get the myths down then jump to sub myths, sub cultural flavours on the.

>fly over 3 fall.
fuck yeah i like that.
the only problem is 50 ducates, giving peusdo tough and +1 armour and 12".

>>97335307
>what’s a raven going to do?
I like the cerebain.
If i'm dropping the cav, i was thinking about having a weak, near murder wandering around doing spotting duty but i feel you.

>>97335338
I mean even with the Iroquois it's a bit much.
the benefit of sorting this out mechanically is you can flip it to flavour of whatever you want.
Nothing stops you from playing a court army as templars for instance.

The goal mechanically is to have a mid ranged army that plays with terrain and movement, fast, light fragile.
after i get my research done i can smooth things over.

the big problem is just the doing of it, the native models that exist tend be few, far between. so i'd either need to get good with greenstuff or compromise

>>97335429
>I love seeing all proxy armies
they're not proxies if it TC, TC doesn't have proxies.

>>97336631
>Incoherent tardbabble
Are you indian or russian? Can you speak english properly?
>>97336672
>concern trolling
How about you slice your fucking wrists instead.

>>97336670
You are being dishonest, deluded, or plain trolling
When people say "I want a game with STLs" they clearly don't mean "I want a plastic box of minis, and a very limited range of stl weapons to print maybe"
I will not be responding to your bait anymore, anyone that has a braincell can read the statement
>>97336583
for what it is, not for what your delusion think it is

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>>97336684
you've never been near an indian have you?
>anon be out here seeing a missing comma
>THERE'S NO COMMA HOW CAN I READ THIS? I'M GOING CRAZY, HELP ME NIGGER MAN
i bet if i was saying something you agreed with i wouldn't have this kind of faggoty ass.
let me rephrase it for you.
DON'T THE DEVS HAVE AN EXCEL FILE THAT LISTS THESE ISSUES.
IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN THAT'S EVIDENCE OF SOME ISSUES WITH THE SCUPLTS.
This doesn't preclude them having been fixed, Javo didn't show that but frankly i really don't care.
Man said
>I don't want to do trench crusade, i don't like it's practices.
and that's fine, nobody cares what an E-celeb thinks.

>>97336672
>I don't think the vile anger and hate is doing anything productive
You have as much right to post about the insides of the game (the lore, the minis, the rules, the balance) and what you like about the insides of the game, as this people's right to post about the outside of the game (marketing/development rumours or ongoing stuff/dev release statements or updates/milestones and roadmaps) and what they don't like about the outsides of the game.
It is productive, it makes people see the shit and not want to buy the game. That's a productive outcome.
If there's bad talk about the outside of the game, and that affects the inside of the game and fuck you over, then that's how it is. That's life.
It could be the case that the insides of the game is so good it outshines the bad outside. That happens as well, sure.
The problem is TC is not that case, is not that good as to outshine the bad outside, and you want the bads to not be told anymore because it fucks you over.

>>97336696
>DON'T THE DEVS HAVE AN EXCEL FILE THAT LISTS THESE ISSUES.
Do they tho?

>>97336684
real cuck

>>97332612
bad at arguing.
too dumb too understand another humans mind.
socially retarded doomed lineage.

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>>97336719
yeah just checked facebook.
It exists
>it's only 5 models according to toumas
okay, sure.
but it exists.

>>97336452
The guys here are not very active,
In addition to it, they really don't want to hear criticism of the project and are hyper sensitive to
"trolling attempts"
It's like early day AoS, everyone cagy about liking this an unable to admit to some issues or avoid taking the bait.

>>97335374
>Sane people just move on from these things
Consoomers do, gold fish do.
I like to keep an eye on what the companies i support do. I try not to buy from say CGL because they will embezzle money, they will will fuck around. RIP iron winds.
I don't go around exploding over it but it is something i keep in the back of my head.
Bad supports and resin traps are a bad sign but we all make mistakes, if they haven't fixed them with the resources they have fully then that's more of a problem because it shows their prioritizes.

>you can play with other minis
and i do and i like that this is in their system.
my issue is determining if it's a pattern of behaviour.
I don't NEED offical minis but i wouldn't mind some, they're quite good, that's why we supported the project, a cool fucking universe and look.
It makes me second guess picking up ones i like from FF in resin. I'm going to watch the plastic rollouts and see how those turn out before buying in.
particularly because i'm still mad at prodos games and their partner is (rebranded) prodos.
I'm not going to be the first one through the door.

this doesn't make me an arch fan to bring this up.
It's not big, but having to pull teeth about it with you people makes it bigger here than it has the right to be.
It's a small issue, something we can chalk up to teething pains and inexperience.
You guys go for deflection arguments when you don't need them.
like do you have any idea how fucking stupid you are?

Planning on running a learn to play day for a FLGS, I have a decent amount of New Antioch printed and painted. I plan on printing some Heretic Legion for the demo game. What is a good 900 point game I can make out that'll teach all the rules of the game between the two warbands?

>>97332879
What a dishonest argument.

>>97332879
Tuomas said very clearly they would be releasing STL stuff in the future then they walked back on their statement completely. Probably because the 3D printer sweatshops they hired caused more headache than they were worth.

So for the people who were excited about that are not so excited that every major release is going to be plastic that comes in a box. Which in effect means the game right now is a ruleset and OCs from some guy that was monetized by another guy that rugpulled all the Kickstarter backers.

>>97336851
Good question
I'm thinking since HL tends more ranged, you make NA more melee focused, plenty of grenade/club mooks and short ranged Fireteam shooting
The game is simple enough that whatever warbands you bring will most likely give a good demonstration
What I think I'd important is that you go through the post game sequence with both players
That not only gives them a good idea of what a campaign is like but makes them want to try the new stuff they got in another game

>>97332879
Tranny leftism bbcworshipper

>>97336967
Oh look it's stroke guy again

>>97337001
Why is it when someone can't make a point they pretend to not understand?

>>97336967
>Probably because the 3D printer sweatshops they hired caused more headache than they were worth.
Unironically this is probably a major factor. Nobody can deny that the 3d print releases had some major major issues. They're probably just sick of doing refunds/replacements for melted prints and decided the drama of going plastic is better than the drama of continues poor quality prints.

>>97337394
That's what they said in the army Painter interview
Prints take a long time and need extensive QC
With the Prussians, they could literally order hundreds of boxes for overnight delivery and know that the exact same product is in every box
It's hardly a decision at this point

>>97337407
>we can just do this and order a million boxes is that easy it's literally not a problem, they just fly
>but also: The box is 60 bucks because design manufacturer the employees cost of living the inflation tariffs materials overseas handling packaging the chinks box art the enviroment tax laws sustainability