>30 years>bestselling book series of all time>world's most famous fantasy setting>still no (official) tabletop RPGlolwut
>>97344731Theres a knockoff one called Kids on Broomsticks because Redditoids felt JK Rowling was too transphobic for her franchise to be incorporated into a tabletop setting
>>97344740The mechanics of that one are kinda shit, desu.>I'm not OP
>>97344740There's also this !notHogwarts book for OSR systems. Tbh it's...sloppy. Too many blanks and things that wouldn't work out in an actual game.B/X D&D definitely isn't the right fit, anyway.
before anyone complains: Tolkien 'retconned' The Hobbit with a later edition, changing the 'Riddles in the Dark' chapter to tie into Lord of the Rings more.THAT SAID:Rowling is a really fucking solid worldbuilder. Hogwarts is consistent with its locales and characters. and magic has actual RULES, which is something people always complain about when it comes to magic.
>>97344731I feel like there is potential to siphon a lot of normies from dnd if an official HP game was marketed right>>97344740>>97344794Who would bother learning a hack setting like these over just sticking another system in the Harry Potter world?
>>97344971>Who would bother learning a hack setting like these over just sticking another system in the Harry Potter world?because if you use something like Fate (which i believe actually has some 'teen wizard school' example) that's purely for 'telling stories'.what if you want something where the game rules follow the in-universe rules? specific subsystems for, say, Quidditch? how would those fit into some other system, d20 or Apocalypse Engine or whatever...?there was a time when shit like Buffy and Smallville would just get role-playing games.
>>97344731Pretty much anyone agrees it is functionally impossible to try to make a game magic system out of HP magic.
>>97344731It's not really written with the intention of being a setting.The story is written very tightly around the perspective of the main character, and exists specifically to serve that story.Attempts to build the world out will necessarily fail, because the world was never intended for anything beyond the specific scope of the story.This isn't a bad thing, or bad writing. It's just a choice with pros and cons.
>>97344740In recent years they have decided that anything tangibly Harry Potter related, even stuff that is actually not related at all but third party shit, is STILL toxic and bad by association. Saw a discussion that had people screeching that a cartoon from 2001 called Ultimate Book of Spells was still transphobic and evil because it was just kinda sorta slightly HP adjacent.
>>97345068you could not be more wrong.
>>97345068this anon is correct
>>97344731There is not really a whole lot of Adventuring that parties of people can do in the Potter world. Everything is hidden, in downtown London, Paris or some other major modern metropolitan city. All wizardry is hidden, all magic creatures are hidden, and wizards live boring mundane lives and work government jobs doing paperwork in cubicles. After Hogwarts, the setting stops being a fantastic magical place. Wizards just do typical 9-5 office drudgery but the posters on the walls move around on their own and they use magic green fire instead of an elevator.
>>97345116there's a section of adults that effectively become magic cops. surely they go around finding those hidden monsters and wizard criminals and shit. there must be hidden places (à la dungeons) besides in one particular castle?hell, go run a campaign in the Russian school. it's nearly blank slate the same way Forgotten Realms (originally) had blank spots. extrapolate from the rest of the setting, maybe Durmstrang has hidden chambers too.
>>97345083'Rough idea of immediate geography for sake of consistency' isn't exactly out of line with the point about it being unconcerned with anything outside of the protagonist's POV. Because those are all just places Harry Potter goes to at various points in the books, sketched roughly
>>97345046I take it with this harry notter games to learn the rules and toss out all the "lore" in favor of HP?
>>97345225of course, but i'm sure some authors sort of just stream-of-consciousness wing it all. >>97345068 describes it as though Harry is moving from set piece to set piece which is absolutely true, but once those parts of the world are 'discovered' they remain. they were there 'before' Harry's encounter with them, he's just the fish-out-of-water character exploring this world. in fact, he learns a lot through other characters telling him weird magic shit that's normal to them.tl;dr: the world was already built and fleshed out, even if new locales/details were added later (that's every novel series ever).
>>97345223If i have to write the game from scratch id prefer to write my own game from scratch. That also doesnt adress the bigger problem of harry potter magic being whatever bullshit fits the story at the time. If you want to reconcile time travel with true invisibility, instant death and "only spell that can ever harm a ghost" then you do you. I aint dumb enough to touch that balance nightmare
>>97344731>>world's most famous fantasy settingI don't think that's true, sir.
>>97345294also (rambling a bit) i can see some parallel universe Ulililia version of Harry Potter>Harry walked 35 yards north-north-east and encountered the greenhouses, which were made of 2-inch-thick Hex-i-Glass and...HP is like the perfect combination of 'events' and 'world'. of course stuff 'just happens', that's a story. it didn't NEED a world, like in Peter Rabbit or Paddington Bear it doesn't matter where the farm or the house is, there could suddenly be a post office just down the street in one book, etc etc.the trve Potterheads can tell you about the different Common Rooms and shit, what towers they're in. i haven't played that new computer game but it IS the perfect template for characters to go on adventures. how many people would love to wander around Hogwarts in VR? i damn well would.
>>97345307what else would it be? i guarantee you that random people in rural Africa know 'Hogwarts' more than say, Narnia or Neverland.people know 'Lord of the Rings' as a famous novel, but if they even know the phrase 'Middle-earth' it's purely because of the (relatively) recent films.the only legitimate contender i can think of is Oz.
>>97344959>Rowling is a really fucking solid worldbuilder.Not even remotely. The entire international conspiracy to hide magic falls down within five minutes.>the first book mentions that witch hunts and burnings weren't any kind of a problem for witches and wizards, with one being noted to have been intentionally caught multiple times because they enjoyed it>large swaths of the world were at that time not in fact Christian, so it makes no sense for, say, Shinto witches and wizards to agree to the thing, especially given that their religion would likely incorporate them into its world view instead of rejecting them>if the agreement were only applied to Christendom, that would result in massive changes to historical events such as European settlement of the Americas, given that the native peoples would have had magic available to them and would have no reason not to employ it against the colonistsThat's not even getting into the nonsensical distribution of magic schools across the world. She wrote a book, it exploded in popularity, and she kept writing books while, yes, referencing her earlier material...but she never really went to any effort to make the world make any sense.>magic has actual RULESTime turners.
>>97345336Eden.
>>97345336Atlantis comes to mind.
>>97345354it's set in 'our' Britain, i live here, we're a Christian nation. even if the people aren't practising Christians (i'm not) even Richard fucking Dawkins goes on about how he's a 'cultural' Christian. it's not at odds with the secret wizard society, it's just the world they happen to inhabit.>Time turners.explained in the book they're in. basically follows 'Back to the Future' rules if you want to get all anal about time travel.there are other time turners, nobody uses them, they're locked away precisely BECAUSE of their abuse potential. then they get destroyed. 'oh no how convenient!' sure, but it's like 'someone could have shot Voldemort with a pistol'. and why wasn't Harry invisible 24/7? these things aren't contradictions or a plot hole, they're simply not what happens in the story. Frodo didn't fly the Eagles to Mordor. HP was actually smarter because people brought shit up (nobody at the Council of Rivendell even suggested Eagles, or mentioned the Eagles had anti-Mordor allergies, or something.)
>>97345389>it's not at odds with the secret wizard society, it's just the world they happen to inhabit.You're missing the point: the world as a whole cannot be the way that it is presented, as "our" Britain requires that the rest of the non-Britain world also be "our" world or else Britain would have turned out very differently. But there's no reason that wizards in Japan in among various indigenous groups would ever sign on to an international secret society that exists to solve a problem they don't have. And, even if they did, they'd have no reason to stick to it when doing so started fucking their people over.>there are other time turners, nobody uses them, they're locked away precisely BECAUSE of their abuse potential.So they gave one to a thirteen-year-old girl because she wanted to take extra classes?
>>97345389Hey idiot i get that you've never played a game before in your life, but try imagining that player agency exists>its not what happens in the storyGreat, thats lovely. But im not reenacting whatever fiat bullshit rowling wrote, im driving twigthorn longsnipes or whoever the fuck im supposed to be. The moment i get my hands on any of that shit im abusing it to the absolute limit of its potential and the setting's status quo wont last a minute. Hell with time travel the setting will last a negative ammount of time. Twigthorn longsnipes isnt here to make a compelling story for children, she's here to drop kick voldermort's mother's uterus while he's still inside it and livestream it to witch-tok
>>97345422i'm following on from how the previous post described the flow of the story. i'm also the anon talking about it AS a world. i don't think the actual mechanical system of, say, B/X would fit, but you could absolutely just have the setting and wander around in it. hell, all the 'events' that happen to Harry could be some random encounter table:>Wandering at Night (1d6)>1. Argus Filch doing his rounds>2. A painting calls to the party >3. Romantic rendezvous between two older studentsetc etc.just needs some insane map. handle bookkeeping as standard with turns, but some turns are taken up by classes. maybe similar to those weird Japanese dating games.
>>97344959>for hundreds and hundreds of years until muggles invented modern plumbing in the 1800s, wizards simply shat themselves in public and apparated it away, paying no mind to the smells and sounds made as they shart themselves until all the fecal matter was expelled>good world building and "rules" to magicit's especially retarded since the chamber of secrets is literally in the girl's toilets of Hogwarts, so making up all the nonsense about publicly sharting your robes is not just gross and retarded but a plot hole since clearly wizards DID have sewage infrastructure for centuries even before muggles introduced them to electricity and shit
>>97344959Oh boy, the activists are gonna HATE this post...
>>97345496>you could absolutely just have the setting and wander around in it.Thats everything ever written, you can walk around "my immortal" if you want. We arent saying its a nonsense setting because it doesnt theoretically occupy physical space, we're saying its nonsense because it collapses like a house of cards as soon as you do anything in that world>what if... events happen? How the fuck are you going to tell a story with an antagonist when im chain-casting become-a-cadaver? Theres a gun in my backpack btw
Any fantasy you have about magic schools are going to be way better than any game that uses them, believe me. I've tried.
>>97344959>magic has actual RULESAnd they're all made up on the fly to save Harry from that book's villain.
>>97345389>basically follows 'Back to the Future' rules if you want to get all anal about time travel.No it doesn't. You can't change the past with the time turners, it runs on a single timeline, if your future self interferes with the present, you WILL travel back in time to interfere with the past as it's already been determined. It's made obvious when Buckbeak's "death" is completely off-screen, and later in the book it turns out the executioner was swinging his axe at a log in anger the whole time.>hurr i wouldn't use the time turner in the fu-Then you didn't use it to influence the past.
>>97345568>>97345583then you take the locations, magic items, and spellcasting from the books, and codify the procedures/costs/etc in the novels into a GAME. we are on /tg/, after all.also pls stop calling me a 'nogames' here is my favourite game.
>>97345593then just go with the whole idea there's a 'meta' timeline that's utterly fixed and deterministic and within the 'standard' timeline people can move around. they anticipate, e.g. someone noticing their diamond has been stolen, so they put a fake diamond in its place.McGonagall probably expected Hermione wouldn't abuse the Time Turner and ONLY be a swot who takes extra lessons. is it a stupid magic artefact to give to a child? sure. but Harry Potter operates on Roald Dahl logic. characters can have their bones turned to jelly when a spell backfires. that's a lark, but they also have to painfully regrow their bones.
>>97344731Not interested, cause there's other children's books that deserve an rpg more than Harry Potter
>>97344740>>97345074What was the shitstorm about? That trannies can no longer identify as trannies in a setting in which a male wizard who decides he's a woman can actually become one by brewing some gender fluid, solving his problem but cockblocking the manufacturing of political outrage? Or was it another thing altogether, probably even more retarded?
>>97345620>we are on /tg/, after all./tg/ is not in fact /do my homework for me/>just write itIt will be broken because the setting is broken>stop calling me nogamesYou clearly have no fucking idea how a game runs. Open and read "your" books retard
>>97345736jk rowling is a terf and thats more evil than anything ever. because telling a tranny 'dont go into a woman's safe place' sends them into spasmodic rage.
>>97345736Basically rowling is not a particularly plesant person (never was, if wikipedia can be believed) who is now a wine-addled boomer living alone in a decaying castle riddled with black mouldSome part of that cocktail of being old and alone, mind altering substances, wild fame and financial success and lifelong joblessness combined to make her decide to commit her life to dunking on trannies on twitter. You might think /pol/ would get off on that, but even they're not reposting her quotes because she argues at the intellectual level of >if enbies arent real, why are they so hecking cute and valid?Except its>if trannies are women, why are they men? Really just zero effort petty and spiteful shots at people who otherwise couldnt care lessAnyway brittain is not a great country right now at the best of times and for trans people especially the beaurocracy is weaponized to inflict suffering (look at 10+ year NHS wait times for consultations, forced crossdressing, ect) so having a high profile alcoholic roastie with billions of dollars and nothing but time going around starting fights for no reason upset a lot of people. Rowling was already somewhat contraversial because of the jew and slave stuff, so some people thought it would be best to just boycott her properties. Then a fandom and culture war started and now we're here
>>97345835>Rowling was already somewhat contraversial because of the jew and slave stuff,not real btw.
>>97345116you clearly have never played a WoD game, haven't you?
>>97345848If you say so, im just repeating the story as i heard it
>>97345898sure, but its important to remember a lot of the criticism going her way was made up in response to her being a terf, not before.
>>97344794Yeah, this is very much bandwagoning """OSR""" sloppa.
>>97345908Eh, the house elf slaves and goblin bankers were already in the books before all that terf shit came out, so most of it is just a matter of exaggerating what was already there as well as getting older and realizing some of this shit was less twee than it was when you were a kid, like how she named the asian girl [strikethrough]Ching Chong[/strikethrough]Cho Chang. The TERF shit is mainly a terminally online problem, but since most trans people are terminally online, it's no wonder they obsess over it.
>>97345908Well yeah noone would give a shit that her mouldy house is falling down if she just chilled out and didnt spend her free time starting fights on the internet. But she decided to be loud and objectionable, and a lot of people heard and objected. Cause and effect really
>>97345736>What was the shitstorm about?About a decade ago JKR wrote a very polite essay saying that while trannies are heckin beautiful and valid, for the sake of women's safety they shouldn't be allowed in women's rape shelters.Naturally this was literal genocide so queers have spent the last decade plus flooding her with death threats and throwing any baseless slander they can possibly think of at her, including "holocaust denier," "science denier," "antisemite," "nazi," "murderer," "misogynist," "alt-right," "hated by her family," and most bizarrely, "lives in a castle full of black mold."All this because, naturally, they know no one outside the most deranged circles will view "anti-trans" as a bad thing. As a result JKR for her part has become significantly less willing to be bullied by alleged "progressives" over the years, which has created a feedback loop which occasionally creates some really funny twatter interactions, not that it's worth going to twatter to look.With the current state of the audience for Traditional Games™ it's probably more effort than it's worth to try and create a Harry Potter system, what with the political backlash... but looking at that recent video game, maybe not.
>>97345653>McGonagall probably expected Hermione wouldn't abuse the Time Turner and ONLY be a swot who takes extra lessons.The idea that a high school teacher would even be in a position to decide whether or not to give one to a 13-year-old is so absurd as to strain credulity on its own. Hell, even if you trust the kid, all it takes is Malfoy being a particularly big prick that day and shaking her upside-down until it falls out of her pocket.
>>97346004Honestly, I'd say it's probably more effort than it's worth to make a Harry Potter system, but not because of political reasons. More that with how loosely magic works in the HP system, you'd either have to make it insanely simple to fit the intended audience, or make it stupidly complicated to properly replicate all the magic shit. That and so many spell combos would be so beyond busted that you wouldn't need the killing curses, a specialized transfiguration specialist would basically be able to instantly win encounters by turning people into mice, and all of the loopy shit people do with stuff like prestidigitation in D&D is going to increase exponentially.Granted, if it allowed me to play Rincewind in such a game, maybe, just maybe, I'd be interested. But more than likely I wouldn't be allowed to.
>>97346004Fascinating. Im glad everything could be explained as "crazy people did something pointless for no reason", the world is much simpler that way
>>97346061uh oh someone got called out
