Previous: >>97339661Mox Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQDo you believe any one card in the 99 can shift an entire deck's powerlevel?
>TQYes, any two card infinite combos like pic related.
>>97344896Moxes cause autistic retards to mald and sperg
>>97344896efficient free counterspells (or swat) will always effect decision making if i know theyre in a deck
>TQIf the deck is already well-tuned and has a way to find the card in question through tutors or card draw, yes. If it is just a pile, and there's one card in it that's broken, no.
>>97344896>TQAbsolutely, especially if your commander is part of a ham sandwich combo.
>TQYes. They aren't called game changers just to be cute.
>TQIt's coming back btw
>>97344962Two more weeks, huh?
>>97344972Scared of 1 little card in a pile of 99 huh?
>>97344976Don't need to be, its not getting unbanned :^]
>TQRhystic Study is a GC while Mystic Remora isn't, so yes.
>>97344983Why is it banned in the first place? A single card cant possibly make a pile of 99 broken, it's inconceivable
THEY FEAR US GREENCHADS
This is a proxy free thread. No fucking bootlegs, no fucking accusations about being poor, no AI coom garbage, no proxies. Period.
tick tock baby boy
>>97345011>Gavin is a retard and a liar>except about this one thingLivestream the suicide when it doesn't happen
RELEASE THE ROFELLOS
>>97344996Sheldon was losing hard to a 13 year old kid's green ramp, so he banned all of its biggest pieces and commander.
>>97345015
>>97345011I get he is strong, but is he really that crazy? When theres shit like Gaias Cradle that is legal?>Unban this as well
>>97345027"Seedborn Muse just got promoted to the Game Changers list, and Prophet is that, but you also get free reign to play your spells on everyone else's turn. It's a really powerful card that also monopolized the time in the game: the Prophet player gets an extra turn of playing creatures for each other person over and over again. Absolutely dominating at lower-power tables and still quite strong higher up. It isn't necessarily locked on the banned list forever, but now is not the time to remove it."it's gonna be a GC, buckle up
>>97345027With some setup you can have her back in the game.
>>97345004I proxy cards I own, and some I don't.I also love proxying basics so I can have nice art or lands from games I like.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97345061Same. Buy the staples once and then never again.
TQIt can if I'm the graveyard deck and they have the rest in peace.
>>97345027When PrimeTime was legal, the best decks were either>Green/Black/X searching for Cabal Coffers/Urborgor>Blue anything that can reliably get BriberyAnd this was during the time that Red/White had virtually no card draw so the color distribution was extremely polarizing. Nowadays the colors are more balanced, but the Cabal/Urborg will still be a reigning choice for midrange b3 decks, but with how lax proxys have become, I wouldn't be surprised if Gaea's Cradle/Deserted Temple would be the new hotness.
While we're at it let's unban Time Vault too.
Ill have you guys know my deck is 80 bucks and that doesn't even include the shockland >=)
>>97345080they have never unbanned RL cards and never will
>>97345090Which, good on them for doing, honestly, we already have cards that are too expensive we don't need to have 3k value must haves on top of it
>>97345080It's baffling how some cEDH fags still want a no ban format.
I'll be back
>tq
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>>97345129>>97345004Can't you read or are you just a fucking bot
>>97345109why?
>>97345004>AAAA QUICK SOMEONE CALL A JUDGE THERE'S A CHEATER HERE AAAAA
>>97345004what a weird way to ask for everyone's favorite proxies
>>97345175>why?because the RL was a mistake that wotc wants everyone to just forget about, having cards that are fine but forever locked is bad for business, the true duals are already a pain point
>>97345004I think I've posted enough of mine, but still. Shut up.
>>97345211haven't been a big enough problem in 20+ years apparently
>>97345228if it weren't a problem people wouldn't be proxying true duals
>>97345232but they're just lands
>>97345239yeah and they'll never be reprinted, whoopie
>>97344896>tqcertainly. Something like sunforger for instance can have an entire deck built around it
>>97345004>you didnt spend the arbritary and subjective amount of money i calculated in my head from all the purchases i made to convince myself of not being poor?>you just downloaded the car and the money is still in your wallet?>this obviously means you are poorexplain the absolute logic vacuum at play here
>>97345004Which Kinnan proxy should I get? >Big titty anime proxies are cringe btw
>>97345257>Took a post literally saying not to make accusations that poor people are the only ones who proxy as some kind of attack against himPersecution complex, likely stemming from actually being poor.
>>97345272Middle, but with bigger boobs.If you are going to make or use a genderswap proxy, change that name to refelct what you are swapping too. Holy shit such a big pet peeve when you see shit like MothMAN with giant tits.
>>97345257>you didn't want to buy the 10th copy of lightning greaves, we get it, we're getting older and we should be thinking of other more important things, you should have a kid by now>yes you pirated a movie, doesn't mean you're a true fan™, where's your blu-ray collection and related merch of said movie proving that you actually support the work of the film maker>not doing this simply means you don't have disposable income, but disposable income is such a hassle to type so we stick to "rich"easy peasy, and that's without me actually telling you you're a poorfag
I cleaned up my Sephiroth deck a bit more, can i get some reviews/suggestions please?
>>97345301Forgot link oopshttps://moxfield.com/decks/WL3GLf-w1kyOdGntT7iZ_g
>>97344896>Do you believe any one card in the 99 can shift an entire deck's powerlevel?no
>>97345301>>97345306Yes I suggest dumping all UB cards into a shredder.
>>97345211MaRo and Wotc break every single other promise they make other than the gay reserved list.
>>97345301>do thing, draw a card>engine+payoff on a single 3 mana card>just for shits and giggles, it also transformsIt's all so tiresome
Buy Bitterbloom Bearer at 27€ or will it go down a lot more?
>>97345357It will crash below $10 within 2 months. Hexing Shusher will go below $20
>>97345374Bitterblossom is like 15 and it had a ton of reprints so i don't see how Bearer could go that low
>Kiora, Blah Blah>1ug>Whenever this card, a [Sea monster] or a merfolk enters, scry 2.>Whenever you scry, add an amount of mana equal to that amount. Only use this mana to cast or activate the abilities of [Sea Monsters] and Merfolk.Would this be broken?
>>97345357>>97345374Bitterblossom is still a $20 card even though it's had a dozen prints.People don't seem to understand that Bitterbloom is an upgrade>b-b-but it's easier to remove!!!!Yeah, it's also easier to bring back, to copy, to get all sorts of other pay offs with it, And it has flash, which people massively underestimate.It will hover around the same price if not more than Bitterblossom
>>97345393Yes anon, mana cheating is always broken.Consider the fact that there are spells and abilities that let you scry X.
>>97345388>>97345397It's a creature and easier to kill, faeries have hardly any support in it, the set will not be that popular. It's not very good. Mox jasper and dracogenesis used to cost over $20 in pre-order too and dragons is a much more popular tribe.
>>97345407I mean, I imagine it would only be enough to for a single creature or so, even if you scry X=7 or something, you only get one sea monster and maybe some mana for a bit more. I think it isnt much stronger than Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner but at least is it more unique than a typical cascade commander.
>>97345419Oh anon. Dear sweet anon. You simply are not Spike-brained and I envy your innocence.No one is just going to make 7 mana and cast their timmy card, they're going to bust that shit wide open and find a way to make infinite mana as soon as possible.
>>97345393the [sea monster] might as well be flavor text, this is 100% a merfolk tribal card
>>97345413>It's a creature and easier to killAlready addressed.>faeries have hardly any support in it>>>In what??? Lorwyn Eclipsed? So? This is a Commander thread, retard, it's an eternal format.Bitterblossom also happens to be one of the most popular black cards on EDHREC, it's not just a tribal enabler>the set will not be that popular.Fan temperature seems to disagree with you anon. Sorry to hear you're the odd one out.>dragons is a much more popular tribe.Yeah see there you go again thinking it's a tribal card despite evidence to the contrary.Go to EDHREC right now and go look at what decks are running Bitterblossom. It's free sac-fodder every turn for 2 mana, black loves it.
>>97345440Yeah thats what I was concerned about, but I wanted to allow a way to use Kenessos.>>97345427The only infinite potential I can think of would be with Thrassios. That said, its not like 2 card infinite combos are difficult to make or uncommon. A standard Sea Monster deck has one with sol ring and Hullbreaker already.
>>97345393Make it a cost reduction on the next sea monsters spell you cast and you have something that MIGHT not crack the game open. But, even then, Biblioplex Kraken and a repeatable way to bounce it back to your hand would probably end up resulting in some bullshit.
Whats a card thats nothing special, or outright bad, yall use anyways whenever you can? Dawnbringer cleric is like a petcard to me because a lot of my early commander games were beleaguered by stax enchantments, and I was running etb/flicker a lot, so he naturally put in tons of work for me.
>>97345011>>97345002>>97344962>and my Zesty Elf!
>>97345444Commander doesnt dictate prices anon. Its not very good. Not even bitterblossom is all that these days
>>97345464Thats completely fair, but im not sure what spamming scry and recasting biblioplex would do - its not like there is any card draw recasting him over and over. Maybe infinite mana for sea creatures to cast but at that point whats wrong with a late game infinite combo?
>>97345476>Commander doesnt dictate prices anon>Jeweled Lotus>Mana Crypt>Mana Vault>Ancient Tomb>Doubling Season>Anointed Procession>Ocelot PrideDo you want me to keep naming 40-60$ cards or do you with to retract your statement about the most popular format of Magic having no effect on card price?
>>97345470Someone will take it, some day.
>>97345485You can go on im still correct.
>>97345476This. I don't think bitterblossom is currently played anywhere in any format. It's only expensive due to price memory. Nu-lorwyn creatureblossom won't have this.
>>97345492What are you correct about anon?
>>97345482Altar of the Brood or any other "Whenever a creature enters under your control" trigger or any "Whenever you cast a spell" or...and so on and so on.You asked if it would be broken. It would be. Don't ask the question if you aren't going to accept the answer.
>>97345501Screencapped.I'm also going to predict your cope will be that Bitterbloom is only expensive because Bitterblossom is
>>97345374I hope the new hexer will go below 20.Seems good but not massively warping, but I thought the same thing about roaming throne and ocelot pride and was wrong. I don't have a good track record
>>97345518It's too good in Standard price will not go down much, it's a 4-of in monored.
>>97345508I don't care that much that I need to screencap, but I will again reiterate to you that creatureblossom will be selling on tcgplayer for under $10 within 3 months. I don't run a faerie deck so don't care. No horse in this race, just speaking from experience.
>>97345524Why would mono red run this in standard? It's literally a dead card against anything that isn't blue control
>>97345518>Seems good but not massively warpingIn 20 life format, his ward trigger is more painful
>>97345506I dont think it would be compared to other shit like Pantlaza, which does actually do everything you say plus some since it actually makes use of your deck through discover. Sure you might eventually do some 3-4 card infinite combo, but thats not inherently broken. But youd need 3 cards to get infinite mana for the tribal cards, plus an additional card for mana draw. Thrassios might be a problem, but hes a problem for far easier to play combos already, not sure what this card would add to it.
>>97345535It's anti-removal anon.>i play my dumb aggro-shit sloppa>"heh then I cast my garbage overprices removal!!!">okay my shit takes 2 of your life which was all it was going to do if I swung with it anywayIt creates a win-win situation for aggro. You either let it hit you, or you pay life to stop it hitting you.
>>97345532>I don't run a faerie deck so don't care.I'll say again. Go look at what decks are actually playing Bitterblossom on EDHREC instead of constantly repeating this retarded line that it's just a tribal card.
>>97345518I could be wrong about Husher but I see it having the same price trajectory as Icetill Explorer. I believe Spider Punk was also selling for pretty high prerelease prices- look at it now.
>>97345557I just don't think that's worth it, it doesn't advance any aggro deck's gameplan.They're not gonna wanna run 4 of a defensive card with no ETB, scaling or offensive abilities.
I got the WPN Yuna promoWhat should I do for a Yuna deck?Is the only good thing she can do loop untaps for infinite power?
>>97345572>it doesn't advance any aggro deck's gameplan.In what way does it not? Again, you either get punched by the aggro creatures or you pay life to remove them.It isn't defensive, it creates a lose-lose scenario for the other player. I'm done arguing this shit, you don't understand Standard and nothing I can say to you will make you understand.Think of me when you hear Standard-babs crying that it's the worst thing since Screaming Nemesis
Understanding Gush
>>97345585Nemesis is an active card that puts opponents on the backfoot and permanently disables an entire playstyle even after it leaves the field.The new guy does nothing when it hits the field, does nothing when your opponent isn't currently using removal and applies no offensive pressure at all, there will be many matches where it literally just sits on the board doing nothing at all.It could be a good sideboard card but will absolutely not be a maindeck staple in mono red.
>>97345609>permanently disables an entire playstyle even after it leaves the field.Only if its ability goes off. Otherwise, as you just told us, it has no ETB, scaling or offensive abilities :)
>>97345602Some days I feel like I will never be able to understand Gush
>>97345609>it literally just sits on the board doing nothing at all.Except making spells uncounterable???
>>97345609>>97345623what card we talking about in comparison to screamy nemy
>>97345628Read the fucking thread.
It should not be a requirement that you can interact with "anything"
Lets be real. Screaming Nemesis should be a staple in most 1-2 colour Red decks
>>97345638Nah, your consistent melty isn't worth reading
>>97345649>Local meta is all about massive life game with 4 or 7 players>Put nemesis in one single deck>The refuse to play against it because "if I'm not going to be able to play the game, then what's the point?"
$40 for this, y or n
>>97345397>And it has flash, which people massively underestimateAlela is the most popular faerie commander by miles and Bearer is an autoinclude. It's not going to be cheap for years, if ever.
>>97345661>shows interest>won't read>demands to be spoonfed>told no>accuses anyone else of a melty
>>97345649having thought on it, screaming nemesis is like a power crept phyrexian obliterator. I think 98% of people who dislike it would be appeased if they had to run into it, instead of any source of damage triggering it
>>97345676oh nooo, a topic i had a passing inkling of interest in is out of my reach. what a shame.
>>97345668Fuck no. Why would you?I have this but only because it was my bonus card
>>97345663>massive lifegain fag in the local play group thinks commander damage is cheating>melts down when i hit them with Nemesis and finish them with commander damage even if it means i lose (i do this specifically to piss them off)
>>97345668Unless you liked Velma, somehow, never ever.
>>97345578If you're not going to go the soulful route and use her for summons who cares lol
>>97345502Price isnt dictated by EDH
>>97345699>Rhystic Study and Cyclonic rift where barely used before people realized they were great in edhCan't say it doesn't one way or the other, but yes, some cards price is high simply because of edh
>>97345699id suggest amending it slightly, edh doesnt dictate the price of non-commander cards.
This is a very classic EDH debate, but lets do it anyway>Very late into the game, tons of permanents on board>Player A makes a decision that will kill player B>Player B is sitting diagonally to player A and has a permanent that makes it so player A will immediately lose the game if they try doing what they're about to>Player A wants to go back on the play because they claim they forgot/didn't know player B had that permanentShould player A be allowed to go back? The permanents on the table are public information, and it is player A's fault for not paying attention or remembering. But at the same time, EDH games can get very long and complicated, and needing to go over everything your opponents have all the time can be very obnoxious
>>97345712What's a commander card
>>97345682>>97345661Very shameful display
>>97345725cards legal/functional only in commander formats, like command tower or jeweled lotus
>>97345722I don't think moves that are literally going to end the game should be able to be rolled back. If you forgot something was on the board, that on you.if you can just take back every fucky wucky you make you're never actually going to learn anything, but that's just me.
>>97345732(you)
Can someone give a noob advice on which of the Final Fantasy commander decks is best to focus on playing for a new player? With not being annoying to my opponents being an important factor.I tried the FF6 one and while I really enjoyed it (and in fact won my first game) I could tell my opponents were frustrated at how long my turns were, it's like a goddamn Rube Goldberg machine of interactions and combos.
>>97345742Why would only those cards have their price be affected by commander usage but other cards that are also frequently bought by commander players would have their price be entirely unaffected by commander demand?
>>97345753just play the ff7 deck. put big weapons on your creatures and beat face.
>>97345753>I could tell my opponents were frustrated at how long my turns were,Best advice I can give you for a new player, is just ignoring this. Do what you need to.Anyway, I think the Yuna deck is the best over all deck out of them.
>>97345722No. Take the misplay with grace and try again next time.
>>97345763because pedants will argue over the fringe cases.
>>97345722I don't think expecting people to remember everything that is on board at all times is reasonable. Plus you're just winning by corner-shooting at that point, you won because someone forgot about something and you got lucky. You're just screwing them over in a casual format.
>>97345777Meaningless reply.
>>97345765correct>>97345753there's a reason why the most popular character of a franchise tends to be the easiest for casuals to play in a pvp game (mario, ryu, dissidia cloud, hell even jin now in tekken, etc.)
>>97345795I played at the LGS for a few months for free thanks to this card
>>97345699Tell me what happened to the price of Mana Crypt after it was banned in Commander despite being legal in Vintage.
>>97345789no, it was the answer to the question posed, please keep up next time.
>>97345668>bought this at like 50 cents>it's almost $20 nowI remember mindcrank was $5 at most, twinning staff was $10, and rhystic was like 20. How is inflation hitting all of these cards? Is it more players? More players buying more cards and not selling them like a goblin like me?
>>97345722If youre over the age of i dunno like 16 you should not be asking for take backs under any circumstances
>>97345826Your dad wishes he could taksies backsies the load he dumped in your mom 9 months before you came along.
>>97345831(you)
>>97345833Just a bit of banter
>>97345831lmao fuckin got em
>>97345826Not allowing takebacks is a great litmus test for the kind of player you really, really don't want to be playing EDH with. The kind that is a real competitive format reject and takes this joke format too seriously. Probably stinks, too.
>>97345722if i find myself playing in a pod that somehow still has a fuckton of permanents on board very late into the game with nobody winning or even presenting a wincon i know i'm in a casual timmy pod without any stakes or teeth so backing up is whatever
>>97345811>mana crypt!!!>mana vault!!!We are talking about a card about to be released in a new set. Commander does not dictate card prices.
One highcard per game is what we usually go with, and that's only if it hasn't been too long since the mistake was made
>>97345850>somehow the most popular format and the cards that are good for it only affect price after those cards have been out for decades and not when they're first released!!!I don't even think (You) understand what you're arguing anymore.
>>97345842Okay zoomzoom. Im afraid ive never had any trouble getting the 3 players to capitulate to my no take backs demands.>is this okay>ya >ya>no.>cmon man>no we arent childrenAnd thats it. They (mtg players) have no idea how to deal with confrontation.
>>97345722>casual format>no new information revealedYeah, I allow the take back. If I wanted to be punish people for missing triggers or forgetting boardstate I'd play one of the competitive formats.
>>97345863Anon mana vault and crypt were already expensive. EDH did not dictate, it influenced it to a higher price, and now it still sits at a high price. New sets do not have this because they are still going through the process of finding where they fit into the market. In this process, EDH does not factor in.
Takebacks, even when they reveal new information, are allowed at the standard world championship.What's the argument for not allowing any takebacks in standard commander?
>>97345885winner doesn't pay anything for pizza night
>>97345878>EDH does not factor inActual diagnosable delusion.
By far the most popular format in the entire game doesn't significantly influence card prices because... it just doesn't, okay?
>>97345893Feel free to include examples from recent sets anon. Something analogous to what we are actually talking about.
>>97345896The vast majority of EDH players are precon players anon. Another decent chunk proxy their expensive cards. And i never said it doesnt influence price. Mana vault has been brought up, but that isnt the same situation as a brand new card entering the market.See>>97345899Feel free to include some examples of cards from recent (say past 3 years) sets that are expensive, without being played in any 60 card decks.
>>97345907>The vast majority of EDH players are precon players anon.Source? My LGS has a fairly large commander community and literally no one plays exclusively precons, so I'd need some empirical data to believe this.>Another decent chunk proxy their expensive cardsAgain, source? Proxies are not actually all that popular outside of CEDH, if commander didn't move product then the game wouldn't be designed around it to this degree.
>>97345935>source>source????I have compiled data of players over the past 2 years because my job takes me all over north america so I get a chance to play all over the continent
>>97345942That's great anon we're proud of you.
>>97344896>Do you believe any one card in the 99 can shift an entire deck's powerlevel?If you run tutors to get it out ASAP every game? Yes 100%. If you just have one random bomb in the deck? Not at all. The vast majority of games (unless you have insane card draw) you'll never see it, but when it does appear you get to make a huge, awesome play
who is freed first?
>>97346016Emrakul 100%Gavin is still hesitant about Griselbrand but if the right cards are made as GCs (entomb) the demon still has a chance
>>97346016I need Emrakul for my Eldrazi deck to complete the salt.
>>97346031>>97346034>>97346016Yeah, Em Rat for sure.
>>97346016Why the need to unban either of them? Game is fine with them banned.
>>97346042Wotc needs to sell packs anon
>>97346050So they don't need to unban themCan you guys stop doing this>THEY ARE GONNA REMOVE THE BAN LIST AND DO THIS AND THAT AND ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF BRO>TRUST ME BRO>I AM THE HASBRO WHISPERERYou know jack and shit
>>97346062>not reading gavin's articlesNgmi
>>973460622 more weeks, trust the plan! you can believe gavin this time!
>>97346062>Can you guys stop doing this
Its amusing that the same general that can't understand brackets because they never read the article is telling people to read the articles about bans..
>>97345027Dies to removal
>TQYes
What does cedh look like without oracle?
>>97346203fug
>>97346204Look at the top decks that don't touch UB
>>97344996It's a broken card, so it should be banned.
>>97345211The true duals were a black lotus tier design mistake and should be banned in every format.
>>97346204Underworld Breach
Why are we assuming they're going to unban any of these cards again? It's not like there's any set currently in print with Emrakul in it
>>97346237Ridiculous opinion, do you shit and piss yourself when someone plays a command tower?
