Any good RPGs for doorkicking combat? Something kinda slick but hyper lethal, letting the PCs take down most mooks pretty quickly but always having the chance to lose it all with poor tactics. I've been running RED and it feels a bit pillow fisted but my group is afraid of RPGs from before the turn of the millennium
>>97347315Good old cyberpunk 2020, GURPS, if you want to try and shoehorn things, Delta Green
Yeah, FAGROCKER is a really good system for capturing this feel. FAGROCKER '99 will work, but the additions and refinements present in FAGROCKER (2011) will do an even better job. You can also just source PDFs for FAGROCKER: Ultimate Definitive Edition from 2018 which synthesized everything ever released for the FAGROCKER system.
>>97347478Made me look but if I ever write a system I'm calling it thatFast Assault Gunfighting Response Operations: Counterterror, Kinetic Engagements, and Recon
>>97347478Finally, we found a game you can actually talk about.
>>97347478if you said it was from 89 i'd believe it was real.
>>97347496Best nonexistent anime
>>97347467God damn it, I was going to say "whatever you do, don't trust anyone who tells you to use Delta Green," but I thought, stupidly, "no, no one is enough of a moron to recommend DG." Well, way to go, you proved me wrong.
>>97347569Ok?
>>97347315Infinity 2d20 works. You'd have to adjust a bit the PCs, but even then, the PC are just as squishy as the NPCs
>>97347478This actually reminded me of Millennium's End
>>97347496>if I ever write a system I'm calling it thatI chose Action Movie: The Game! for mine.
>>97347467All three of those are horrible for slick and hyper lethal where tactics matter.
>>97347842GURPS is good for hyper lethal and tactics mattering but it's not slick by any meansIt's in fact so bad Tactical Shooting had to retcon some basic maneuvers from the Basic Set to make door kicking work
>>97347882>but it's not slick by any meansHow so? I found it extremely quick and easy for good gun fights with rounds taking less than 15 seconds.
>>97347315Traveller does a good job of this.There's a variant called Modern War by Zozer Games that is, well, about modern warfare. It's my opinion that it does a good job of balancing being crunchy enough to be interesting and being quick and easy to use.
>>97348095Do you have a link, anon?
>>97347842Ok. Provide better suggestions then.
>>97348119https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/304503/modern-war
>>97348126Very funny, but I'm not buying your pdf shill.
>>97348159I got asked for a link so I provided one. I didn't ask anyone to buy anything and I don't care if you do.You can go on the share thread and ask for it. It's been cleaned and shared for a while now. They also have all the supplements too.
>>97348174Sharing a link to purchase something is not sharing the link for something. You put it here to advertise.
>>97348177Ah, you're retarded. Got it.
>>97348188This is the second time you've done this btw. Enjoy the ban.
>>97348190where's the shitters that jump to calling others backseat moderators
>>97348190Second time?WTF are you talking about?
>>97348212>The offsite shill doesn't know about the archiveTopjej
>>97348177>People who aren't thieves are shills!Bro just get a job.
>>97348294You can't "steal" something you just make a copy of, retard. Way to out yourself.
>>97348119>>97348159Don't waste your time looking. It presents itself as a milsim but fails because it uses a terrible game engine (You have to get the rules for that separately btw, which makes it a cumbersome pain in the ass to run) and doesn't actually do anything to help beyond fluff. It also unironically suggests you run you take inspiration from the Battleship movie.You'd genuinely be better off trying to run a doorkicking game in slightly modified B/X than this slop.
>>97348159>>97348177>>97348190Dude, the unspoken rule is to keep piracy to the share thread. Point people to the share thread if they are looking for files.Meanwhile, linking the official page for a product is a good way for someone to learn more about something they've expressed an interest in. Some of us prefer not to pirate games they like for a number of reasons. For me the biggest is that if Paul is making money selling his books, then he can keep making them rather than putting projects on hold to do something else to pay the bills.
>>97348314Ok. What's your opinion on AI and does the cognitive dissonance ever get you down?
>>97348332Why are you trying to pretend you belong here? We used to share pirated pdfs in relevant threads. Hell I have multiple saved from here like Play Dirty 1 and 2.
>>97348339>>97348332>Loses argument>Immediately tries to deflect to something offtopicI don't care about AI, you're a faggot, you don't play games, and nobody is buying your garbage book.
>>97348340People w/ jobs have no problems paying other people to do the things that we want done for us. It's how we ensure that other people can continue doing those things. There's nothing particularly wrong w/ stealing .pdfs for people too poor to buy them, any way. But your sense of entitlement about it is... pathetic. Just get a job, lil buddy.
>>97348345Something is being explained to you, anon. It's not an argument. You are now talking to two different anons, btw.
>>97348346>Talk about how we do in fact post pirated books outside of the share thread>starts talking about how piracy itself is wrongLul, you don't belong here.
>>97348353It's a website, anon. Not a super-secret club. Grow up, get a job?
>>97348352No I'm pretty obviously not, nice inspect element btw
>>97348358>doesn't deny itHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHE'S AN UNPAID SHILLHE MAKES NO MONEYHE HAS TO WAGEKEK TO MAKE ENDS MEET BECAUSE HIS BOOKS SUCK
>>97348359You are and 4chan doesn't expose user IPs on the front end, genius.
>>97348367>He doesn't deny he used inspect element eitherSamefagging and failing, embarrassing.
>>97348328>You'd genuinely be better off trying to run a doorkicking game in slightly modified B/X than this slop.Is there a "modern" door kicker B/X or OSR product?
>>97348363Anon, no one shills 4chan. It's why they can't get any advertisers. Your paranoid delusion is seeping through into the real world.
>>97348373We've had physical proof otherwise, but you'll never admit it because you are in fact a shill.
>>97348375Still not that other anon. Actually came into this thread because I was gonna offer you exactly what you'd asked for here: >>97348371But got sucked into your paranoid screed and now it's just icky.
In case anybody is interested in actually reading shillanon's (poorly formatted, almost rules-free) book, you can find it by just googling "pdfcoffee modern warfare zozer games". Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
>>97348381>I'm definitely not the shill you're replying to bro please believe me please please please!Liars get more desperate, if you were honest you just wouldn't care lol.
>>97348346The value of an rpg system of unproven value is worth exactly $0 to any sane person. If you'd pay for that, you're paying because you're stupid+lazy or because there is no possible way to get it for its actual value of $0.Fortunately nobody here will need to pay because that shit can be found on the first page of google.
>>97348381Uh...This is me - >>97348371and this is not - >>97348375I'm actually the guy he's calling a shill. Ordinarily I wouldn't care but something in me hates being mistaken for this asshole.The funny thing is that I'm still being called a shill after pointing out that it's already a cleaned and shared doc that you can ask for in the share thread. (It may well be in one of the Traveller troves as well.)
>>97347997That's assuming your players can be bothered to figure out a maneuver in advance
>>97348407Why are you pretending to be me?
>>97348408>figure out a maneuver?You moveyou attackyou move and attackyou might aim, or wait from time to time.what is there to figure out?
>>97348401I frequently get a doc off of the share thread first to see if I like it and then buy it if I like it. I have several games and supplements I own because I was first able to read them before buying.
>>97348407>The funny thing is that I'm still being called a shill after pointing out that it's already a cleaned and shared doc that you can ask for in the share thread.It was for a while but someone has been striking down the repos for it.
>>973484231. You're replying to yourself.2. Your logic makes no sense. If you can afford to pay for a luxury to begin with, you should be willing to pay for it upfront instead of needing to try it first. You can always request a refund if you find that it's not to your liking, but your method makes it easy for people to simply fleece the creator with minimal effort and make sure they don't get deserved payment for creating a product that has elicited your interest. There is no logical, moral argument for piracy.
>>97348392Believe me. Don't. That's your problem--not mine.>>97348407Ah, gotcha. Sorry. Was going to say, in line w/ what other anon had about Traveller or a B/X clone: the "Without Number" series runs this kinda thing beautifully. I'm playing Stars right now, but Ashes just came out recently and my understanding is that it's more megacity focused (haven't read it, yet), so I'd absolutely start there. And they always have a free, no-art version of their product on drivethru.
>>97348433>Believe me. Don't. That's your problem--not mine.Seems to be your problem since you keep sperging out and have shat up the thread trying to shill a meh game.
>>97348373>paying for ads and free shilling are the same thing>stop being paranoidGo fuck yourself.
>>97348438I don't even know what the game was, anon. Your paranoid delusions really aren't about other people.
>>97348443>I don't know what the game I told you to go buy was, anon.So we've gone from impersonation and low effort shilling, and posting what are probably AI generated spiels to try and fit in, to simply pretending the thread doesn't exist and people can't read. Ok then, good luck trying to move a copy or two bro.
>>97348441Go fuck yourself. A thief is a thief, whether he steals a diamond or a cucumber.
>>97348422Beats me
>>97348449Anon it's really still not me. Get a grip. Maybe a job, while you're at it?
>>97348466Did your coding break or something?
>>97348457>wife beaterMakes a whole lot of sense, salam ilikecum to you too.>>97348432Venmo me 20 quid and I'll post my comment proving that you are indeed a retard. If you don't then you clearly don't care about this argument and are just a lying hypocrite troll. Or worse, poor.
>>97348432>2. Your logic makes no sense. If you can afford to pay for a luxury to begin with, you should be willing to pay for it upfront instead of needing to try it first. You can always request a refund if you find that it's not to your liking, but your method makes it easy for people to simply fleece the creator with minimal effort and make sure they don't get deserved payment for creating a product that has elicited your interest. There is no logical, moral argument for piracy.I am not making any moral argument. For me it's practical. I don't care what the creator deserves, only that I get what I want. To me, a person will keep doing what he is rewarded for and money is a good reward. Ergo, if I look at a product and if I like a product and want more of that type of thing then I give them money. If they make a book that I don't like, then I don't give them money and hopefully they will change what they are doing.
>another thread harassed and derailedStop giving them attention
>>97348509>>97348516Why would I give you money for nothing? You're a thief and a rat piece of shit bastard.
>>97348519You're correct: all OP had to do was not completely sperg out that someone posted a link he wasn't interested in. Instead he derailed his own thread with psychotic dellusions of persecution.
desperately trying to reclaim control of the narrative really isn't working for you is it
>>97348532How do you feel about a "creator" that doesn't deliver on promised content? Many of the documents for sale on DT are not what they claim to be. Further more, there seems to be no effort to police this so that there is no incentive for "creators" to be honest. Most dishonestly advertise products also have false reviews as well. There is no combination of cover art and title that will ever be worth $30 to me so the contents are where it needs to deliver for me to feel that it's a good purchase.This leaves me with three options. Don't engage with new content at all, allow myself to be taken in and spend money on products that I don't want, or find ways to preview the product before I commit my money.
>>97348570Non-Sequitur. You're still a fucking thief who's stealing delivered content because you just don't feel like paying. I bet you've never tipped waiters and delivery drivers either and then had the audacity to complain when prices went up.
>>97348417kekI would love to know how you did that.
>>97348586What in the fuck are you talking about schizo?
>>97348576Tipping is a stupid American custom that's gotten out of hand. Employers should pay employees and prices should be posted up front.
>>97348613...And like that you've lost leverage as a customer. Congrats, dumbfuck, your short sighted greed means your expenses are up.
>>97348616America is the only place I've spent time where tipping was a thing. It's also where I've received the worst service and had the least amount of options for handling disputes when I had an issue with a transaction. Tipping doesn't give leverage to the consumer in any way I see. It only creates conflict between a company's employees and it's customers where it should be between the employees and the company. The Waffle House you work at makes enough money to actually pay you a real wage but they would rather you be mad at the people you're serving shitty eggs and toast to rather than pressuring them into giving you a raise.
>>97348663>America is the only place I've spent time where tipping was a thing. It's also where I've received the worst serviceNot really surprising after telling everyone you don't tip.>Tipping doesn't give leverage to the consumer in any way I see"If I don't see it, it's not real."Is this why your continent is circling the drain while mine toppled an entire nation in under 3 hours?
>>97347315Delta Green jumps to mind.
>>97348691Ugh I haven't been thrilled with what I've seen of delta green. But given that they've now got the license for my favorite fantasy series ever, I think I'm gonna have to learn it. You just reminded me.
>>97348679Tipping doesn't seem to result in good service or prevent DoorDash theft. Now it's just another entitlement no matter how shitty a customer gets treated.
>>97349113>Tipping doesn't seem to result in good service or prevent DoorDash theftIt does for those of us who don't break the social contract.
>>97347315GURPS hits 100% of these marks. Combat is hyper lethal, mooks die quick but PCs can eat a bad shot and die instantly, and positioning is arguably more important than your PC's skill, unless its really bad or really good.To give an example from one of my own campaigns, we were once playing a game as a group of mercenaries sent to clear out the current occupants of a warehouse. We kicked in the door, immediately took fire, and started returning it from either side of the doorway. One of our party members, who was not wearing a helmet, couldn't see the enemy, and decided to reposition to the other side of the doorway to get a better view. This triggered the enemy who was waiting for somebody to cross to fire. They hit. They randomly rolled a headshot. My party member's brains were immediately splattered across the pavement. Even if we had a brain surgeon standing next to us, there would be nothing you could do, because he was capital D Dead from a breachloading rifle round to the cranium. All because he crossed the enemy's line of sight. This doesn't usually happen, because it was several levels of misplay and poor luck that led us here, but knowing its possible really makes combat engaging.
>>97349201I should also add that you can make choices in character creation to mitigate this sort of bullshit if its a turnoff. If my friend had taken Luck, a 15 point advantage, he could have forced the enemy to roll 3 times and picked the result he liked (once an hour), which probably would have saved his life. But he wasn't lucky, and now he's dead. If you do want to persue GURPS as your RPG of choice, I'd recommend heading down to /gurpsgen/, as they are usually more than happy to help new players.
>>97348691Delta Green is terrible as a door kicker simulator. It's very bizarre that it's gotten that reputation.
>>97349121Do you tip when you catch attitude from a waitress?What I'm reading is that you're a financial cuck and simp that's willing to be abused and scammed.
>>97349247I don't ever catch attitude from waitresses because I am not rude or an asshole. Thieves always are though, maybe that's your problem.
>>97349258>I don't ever catch attitude from waitressesYou're just a liar then. I can just dismiss anything else you have to say.
>>97347315https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nzuhTVZb4>always having a chance to lose it all with poor tactics sorta
>>97348328This. Zozer rules are sweet but they are sold piecemeal. I've got the retro sci-fi rules and I really like them but they are missing huge chunks of the system.Imagine getting starter rules for something but half the starter rules aren't there.
>>97348371Might be stuff people have done with Operation White Box, more WW2 but should be easy enough to modify, that's the entire idea. Stay Frosty is osr adjacent or indi or whatever we're calling it this month, more Aliens & Colonial Marines oriented but might be workable.
>>97349359>>97348328You guys know that the Cepheus Engine SRD is available for free, right? You can just view it online or download it for free. Zozer books are supplements, not core books.
>>97349422No I didn't know that. My point about it being sold piecemeal still stands though.
>>97348332Fuck off, Paul, still not buying your book.
>>97348616>You don't have any say if you don't bribe themHow's life in Russia these days?
>>97348340The only thing worse than a newfag is a oldfag who never grew out of newfag thinking. Drink bleach.
>>97348663Going to tipping countries and third world countries is simply unenjoyable, after traveling a bit I can only surmise it's all sadists who like people groveling at their feet for pennies who travel there
>>97349473Sure, but that's the nature of supplements for any game. Zozer is hardly the worst offender. Hell there's a lot of TSR supplements that require you to own other supplements to be able to use them with the core books.I stand by my original statement that TRAVELLER does a good job with doorkicker, high risk combat. I only pointed out Modern War because it provides the kind of thing that most people think of when we discuss this kind of combat.
>>97348532>*I'm a thief and a rat bastardftfy
>>97349799Funny how the venn diagram of scummy thieves and "people" with a stick up their ass about piracy is just a circle within a circle. It's ALWAYS the case, like every fucking time.
>>97349714Retro Sci-fi isn't a supplement
>>97347315>Any good RPGs for doorkicking combat?PCCS has for intro scenario SWAT team entering meth labit checks all your boxes if by "quickly" you mean with one good bullet hit, not in seconds of gameplayunironically post, I did GMd this twice actually
