Should an elven wizard be more powerful on average than a human one? Explain your answer.
>>97356728I hate Tolkien elves.
>>97356728YesTheir ears are conductors for mystical energy
Is this a new one? Don't think I've seen it before.
>>97356740I hate edgy manlet elves.Thankfully, kino tall chad elves are more common.
Yes, because Elves should be a non-playable monster race characterized by otherworldly powers, an aversion to iron, and being more or less at the apex of the "fairy" totem pole."Eladrin" are more like folklore elves.Regular elves have just become boring faggy humans with pointy ears.
>>97356728I think races having distinct knacks for specific kinds of magic work better than adding yet another thing Elves are better than humans at.
>>97356728Yes, not because the Elf is better at magic inherently, but because he's simply had more time to practice. Human societies will train a Human Wizard until they can throw Fireball then send them out into the world - the Elves consider that your undergraduate studies and are put through another decade or two of training before they're allowed to leave their college.
>>97356728Which setting?Which rules?>inb4 "there is only DnD"
>>97356728A wizard who has been studying and practicing for centuries should logically have greater mastery than one who has only been a wizard for decades
>>97356728fantasy settings usually run into one of two problems>the average human mage is about as good or just slighly bad as the average elven mageThis implies the average elven mage is a jobber, because a 30 year old human is just slightly worse than a 200 year old elf>elven mages are vastly more capable than humansThis would usually break the setting, if every single 200 year old elven mage has the capabilities of a human archmage and now you have 5000 of these fuckers running around.
>>97356728Yes, but if you hire him he might not show up for a couple of years, or he might only eventually show up in a decade or two. If you hire the Human Wizard he might take a few days to clear his schedule, or he might even show up tomorrow.
>>97356728Depends on what level they are. If they're the same level, they're equally powerful. If they're different levels, the higher-leveled one is more powerful.>b-but muh 500 years of experienceIf you have 500 years of experience but haven't gathered enough experience points to outlevel the short-lived races, you have no one to blame but yourself.
>>97356728Human wizards should be more powerful than an elf of equal age, because human wizards are more likely to take risks with magical research, and there are more human wizards to make up for the ones who blow themselves up in research.
>>97356728"Should" is always bullshit. You "should" do whatever the fuck you want. There is no right or wrong. In my 5e game elves get an extra spell slot that they get back on a short rest. It becomes a level higher at 5th and 11th and 17th level. This represents their innate facility with magic. It also means getting a spell as a martial from something like magic initiate, you can use that slot to cast it as well. I mostly do this because I'm tired of too many variant humans but dont wanna ban them.
>>97356728>human mage raw retarded fireball power because bombabigger bomba --> better wizard>elf: gets all the shit done without being spectacular. Countless spells and knowledge for every spell and truely understands itelf is basically spec ops killer compared to human who is a soldier with a bazooka
I don't allow any race in my settings to have a default lifespan longer than twice or shorter than half of a human's. Solves these problems nicely.
>>97357123>The only factor is life-long experienceSounds to me you are a terribly unimaginative fuckwit
>>97356728In a wargame, yes. NPCs, yes. Player characters, no.There are more human arch mages not because humans are better mages but because there's more humans.
Depends on the system.If elves have a bonus to intelligence, spellcasting or any mechanics and natural affinity for it. Then yes, obviously. Even if they are the same level or age.If he's an old elf, then obviously, since he's still alive and the human wizard is dead. And if he's not dead, then he's likely a liche, vampire or some other abomination.If elves have all the aforementioned and humans are still better wizards, then you are an idiot-writer for breaking internal logic for some HFY-bullshit.
Looking forward to see this image reposted dozens of times in the next few months!>r/DnD/comments/1qbz73q/artcommcelevor_arazumin_high_elf_wizard/
>>97356728only issue i have with this art is that it should have been a hot elven woman. Everything else about it is perfectly fine.
Contrary to no-games opinions, do male elves actually happen in traditional games.
>>97356811>>97356940why do you assume just because you're doing something for a long time you're actually improving at something for a long time? how many people IRL have been playing video games for 30-40 years and still kind of suck at them compared to an addertall popping 17 year old?
An alien teaches a human how to make and fire a gun. The traitorous, ungrateful human then shoots the alien. It’s sort of like that.Why would an elf teach a human magic, you ask? Because they’re stupid. Why do people assume even an elderly master wizard won’t die to some lowly cantrip?Stop. Teaching. Monkeys.
>>97357409And yet, there are people that do something for their whole life and become extremely proficient in it.And now imagine these people still enjoying a healthy body and sharp mind.
>>97357433This. There is no such thing as spell resistance irl. Physics, nature, just doesn’t fuck around. No health bars. You get hit, you get hit.
the idea that elves are alive longer so they've been hardcore studying magic the entire time turns the entire race into saiyans
>>97357433People expect magic to be fair like their favorite dbz episode where everyone goes NNNNGGGGAAAAAHHH as their forehead veins pop; these people see magic as an extension of muscle
>>97357459But of course humans master even more magic with their limited lifespan because of some inherent HFY-power, which always activates.
>>97357466>fairI think you mean cinematic. If magic is too effective it’s just boring.
>>97357481>some inherent HFY-poweryou having extreme self-loathing doesn't really have anything to do with my post talking about how most depictions of elves don't have them obsessed with training to become more powerful at all hours of the day
>>97356811He may live longer, but he will waste most of those extra decades/centuries doing scatty elvish shit, like searching a forest to find the perfect walnut for an elvish maiden he likes, or growing a tree just right so a branch can be harvested to make a nice staff. Humans focus and get shit done quickly because they know they will die soon.So, no, you dont get to add on a few levels to your character just because he is an elf.
>>97356728Yes.They live longer. Much longer.
>>97357518And will you apply the same logic to humans?
>>97357537>Humans focus and get shit done quicklyYou have never interacted with real humans.
>their favorite dbz episode where everyone goes NNNNGGGGAAAAAHHH as their forehead veins popIsn’t this literally all of them
>>97357449>There is no such thing as spell resistance irlYou're gonna get turbo-arthritis for that one faggot>t. your immune system
>>97357595>he thinks his immune system will protect him from Israel’s microscopic blood clotting / aneurysm inducing weaponry Kekno
>>97357555>humans who think they have time procrastinate>humans who dont (usually) dontYes?
>>97357606>he thinks spell resistance will save him from Power Word: Volcanic Eruption Inside Anon's AssholeObviously the strongest shit doesnt care about defense
>>97357555yeah again I'm not going to sit there for your epic own about how humans suck because you hate yourself to instead focus on the actual topic of the thread, which is>Should an elven wizard be more powerful on average than a human one?why should the elven one be any noticably better then a human one unless the elves are all autistically grinding the arcane process that is represented by increased spell slots instead of just enjoying their psuedo immortality and beautiful nature and all the other typical elf things elves do.in settings where the elves are, for a lack of a better word, more autistic about this kinda thing. they are literally always better then human casters in lore (because these also tend to be settings where the elves job to superior human male fighters/space marines/ect instead of 1v1 caster supremacy)
>>97357612Anon, humans procrastinate all the damn time.You are doing it right now.And there have always been elves in fiction that mastered various skills and were relentless in their ambitions. Unless your only source on elves are shitty isekai.
>>97357621DnD would allow him to roll for resistance. And he would probably succeed at resisting it too.
>>97357633ad-homsYeah okay, not bothering beyond>why should the elven one be any noticably better then a humanBecause of various reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread. Like having a natural affinity for magic and an extended lifespan.
>>97356728As player options, no. It turns any wizard type that isn't an elf into trap options.As creatures and NPCs, it doesn't matter sure, if you want.
>>97356728Yes, because the elf actually invented the magic in the first place. He was there when the rules of magic were first cast into being tens of thousands of years ago.Human magic isn't real magic, its a pale imitation of elvish magic that is watered down into something that can be learned in "only" a couple decades. Human magic is quick and dirty magic that is designed for people that just want results and don't *actually* care how it works under the hood because they simply don't have time to learn. Something taught to humanity by elves out of pity after it became clear that real magic was forever out of their reach.
>>97357537>He may live longer, but he will waste most of those extra decades/centuries doing scatty elvish shitYeah, and even with that lack of dedication he'll still spend more time performing the act of casting magic than the human will live total from cradle to grave. "For every meal you have ever eaten in your life, I have cast Time Stop. And thats just Time Stop."
>>97356821>inb4 the truthStop being that faggot and talk about D&D.>>97357352as PCs only.
>>97356728yes
People always go on about generalizations, when major characters in fiction are always the exception, the 1%. There's a reason why the big main wizard or hero, or w/e accomplished so much, or is on the path to doing so versus all the countless other guys in the setting who in theory have the same potential. A major human wizard is going to be greater than the average elf, same deal with a major elf guy.
>>97356763Yup, it's a puckee slop threadhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1qbz73q/artcommcelevor_arazumin_high_elf_wizard/
>>97356728Yeah obviously by a lot
>>97358026how much money does this guy have to drop a new art commission every odd week
>>97357887I see his is a Negromancer of some skill.
>>97356728>Enlightened race/society.>Probably centuries older and more studied at least.>From a race that's almost always more magically attuned than humans.>Everything he/she learns is from a first or second hand account, instead of old tomes.Absolutely.Also, Elves should not be playable as a race.
>>97356728>Should an elven wizard be more powerful on average than a human one?no> Explain your answer.pic related
Okay but how much stronger should the average elven mage be, compared to the average human mage? How big of a difference are we talking here?
>ALL AND EVERY HUMAN IS ALWAYS AN OVERLY AMBITIOUS GIGACHAD THAT ALWAYS SPENDS 110% OF HIS TIME MAXING HIS SKILLS, NONSTOP, 200% DISCIPLINE, 300% FOCUS, 500% INHERENT HUMANITY POWER>elves being a long-lived race with magical affinity?! No, they sure are lazy and waste their lifespan, because I say so!What's even the point. Humans are always the bestest at everything, since that's what /tg/ self-inserts into, being the narcissistic spoiled little faggots they are. While elves are never allowed to take advantage of their... advantages.>>97358370Depends so much on the system and setting, that the question is entirely meaningless.
>>97358387just ignore the smol pp 'white male fighter' retards.If you don't respond to them long enough they eventually namefag and you get to filter them
>>97358387>SettingForgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Ebberon, Golarion, The Witcher, Warcraft, Warhammer Fantasy, Exandria, The Dark Eye, Grim Hollow, Midgard>systemAny that features the above settings or can run then in homebrew
>>97358387classic noldorfagging strawman
>>97356728>CouldMaybe.>ShouldDepends on the system, but mostly on luck.>Explain your answerPretty sure that elves have some kind of learning disability to need to spend hundreds of years to learn the same thing humans can in a hundredth the time. So a headstart isn't going to mean much in terms of power overall.
>>97358443>Any that features the above settings or can run then in homebrewThey have very different rules for spellcasting, and different attributes being important. Like for instance, wisdom doesn't matter for D&D wizards (outside of saves), but it matters for channeling spells in Warhammer Fantasy. In this system anyway, elves can master any sphere of magic and learn High Magic, while human wizards are incapable of doing so.Let alone the difference in age and also powerlevels for characters.>>97358482>Pretty sure that elves have some kind of learning disability to need to spend hundreds of years to learn the same thing humans can in a hundredth the timeThat really isn't the case in any system or in any halfway serious setting.Elves being dumb children for hundreds of years is a shitty anime trope.
>>97358501>Elves being dumb children for hundreds of years is a shitty anime trope.Relax bro, just having a giggle since it's just a joke thread.Though I didn't even take that from anime, it's the bogstandard joke of how an elven adventurer starts at level 1 like everyone else despite an adult elf generally being in the triple digits for years lived compared to them, surprised you couldn't recognize it
