Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>97352321 >Thread challenge: Make a Solo Mage build in Cantrip. The anon that can find the most broken way to combine cantrips wins the thread Cookies!
>>97357523CYOA: https://imgur.com/a/cantrip-cyoa-v7-0-look-ma-im-multiclassing-edition-fKf4hAI
Repeating a question from last thread, do the Classless in Isekai Bounty Hunter still level up?
>>97357547No. The only leveling system classless have is potentially earning the chance for elemental attunement.
>>97357547obviously not
>>97357556>>97357564Then how does one “grow your soul” enough to actually obtain a class independent of the available selections, as mentioned in the Classless description? I was under the impression you’d grow your soul through the same process of leveling up, you just wouldn’t benefit from skills, stats, and inherent magics to the class system. Essentially flat levels with no skill trees.
>>97357547No, but they can become stronger by developing their soul. This is vastly harder to do without the class structure, hence the reward discount.
>>97357529Who the fuck still uses Imgur???>https://imgchest.com/p/xny8zrxpybl
>illiterate 16 y/o farmer casually kills a 40 y/o grandmaster knight with dozens of battles' worth of experience from 75 yards away“Heh, nothin' personal gramps”
>>97357582No. "Leveling" isn't the universal way to grow your soul, it's just one particular way that was easier than the other options. The description for Elemental Attunement is clear there are many other options, but they're Waaaaay more annoying to deal with.
Aromage is a good girl that is working on finishing up Ultimate God of the update version five point zero. This is something I believe in with all my penis.
>>97357616Shut the fuck up gil god I hate you
>>97357597>40 y/o grandmaster knight>knightAnon, muskets don't pierce steel armor. Even modern firearms get stopped by standard knight armor.The reason people stopped using it is because knight armor is expensive, heavy, and required lots of training to not die of exhaustion mid-combat.
>>97357624>he’s saying he NEEDS thick ass armor to survive a sixteen year old with a cheap ass boom stick Kek
>>97357620I'm not him.I don't know who he is.That part of /cyoag/ lore has been eluding me for years.
>>97357639Nuh uh. He could do it naked if he wanted to. He’s just that skilled.
>>97357624even a .22 peashooter rips right through full-plate plate armor dummy
>>97357624>Even modern firearms get stopped by standard knight armorNope. You’re correct about musket balls though.
>>97357624>heavy, and required lots of training to not die of exhaustion mid-combat.lmao what are you on about
>>97357603Maybe it’s the lack of clear implications, because my misunderstanding seems to be based on “if not leveling, then what?” The god offers a leveling course to 15, so if a Classless performs that course in the exact same way as someone with a class would they receive zero benefit? Or is there an ephemeral growth that takes place similar to meditation or, I’m sorry to even say this, but cultivation wherein one grows their soul through hard work, effort, and understanding of the metaphysical world?
Wait. I stand corrected. It turns out even soft shitty musket balls will penetrate knight armor. Hm.
>taking the baitYou guys do realize he plays all angles >>97357433
>>97357680It depends on the knight armour and the quality of the gunpowder. Early on, gunpowder sucked and it would often fail to penetrate at range, but as time went on, platemail fell off and people started wearing less armour as there was no consistent protection from gunfire. A suit of armour that was enchanted and/or forged from supernatural materials could likely resist gunfire without any serious issues. Assuming the wearer doesn't have their organs liquefied by the shockwave.
>>97357690This is why all wizards should work by proxy. “You just killed my simulacrum! I have plenty more!”.
>>97357690Oh my matter! the heroine is truly insatiable!
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>>97357663>even a .22 peashooter rips right through full-plate plate armor dummyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGj0M-NJDGA
Everyone is born with 1hp
>>97357624>>97357663>>97357666>>97357680It actually depends entirely on the type of firearm. While standard medieval plate armor can often stop or deflect modern handgun rounds, it is almost completely useless against modern rifles.
>>97357649an author that caused lasting psychic damage to some anons here
OkaySoA ten year old with a gun > grandmaster Templar Got it
>>97357663>>97357666I know this is an anon trying to start skub, but Lets add to it.Here's the conclusion image from an actual paper where some guys tested this
Anon raises a good point. If magic isn’t as insurmountable as a modern day gun is to an ancient Roman with a spear, then it’s surely not magical enough. Magic is about unfairness. It fucks you.
>fat greasy 20 y/o autist casually kills a 30 y/o elite military sharpshooter with dozens of battles' worth of experience from a continent away with his shitty suicide drone.I guess what goes around does eventually come around.
>>97357784This is the future of warfare
>Magic is about unfairnessMagic is as fair as it is unfair. “If you hop on one foot and spin around like an idiot the witch’s spell will have no effect on you!”
>>97357784Did that really happen or...
>>97357523>Thread ChallengeThe obvious answer is literally just Maxed out Runes with Maxed out Alarm.The overmagic "Glyph" is a valid spell to put into a Glyph and a contingent Alarm could be set with a Glyph as the caster instead of you.With just these 2 spells, you can set up an entire computer-system of spreading glyphs and alarms that can calculate and respond to various stimuli by casting any cantrips you set into the collection of Glyphs.
>>97357781>>97357801
It is magic.
>>97357806Yes, unironically.
“Little girl. Put that down. If you press that button the universe will end.”
>>97357806>He hasn't seen the Ukrainian war footage.So innocent...
>>97357824thats how we lost gil...
>>97357807That requires an extremely high IQ and knowledge of computational logic, THOUGH.
>>97357784Gunfags really spend years training just to get one-shotted by a children's toy lmao.
Kind of want my Tower Arcana companion to be the one guy with gun(s?) in a world of swords and magic.But I also kind of want him to be a dragon guy, and the intersection of anime pictures of dragon men wielding guns is so, so slim...
>>97357836Machinists and programmers will rule the world at the behest of their AI masters.
>>97357841>guy with gun(s?) in a world of swords and magicDepending on the setting guns might actually be inferior to the magic that’s available (why snipe when you can kill a man from your basement)
>>97357834>That requires an extremely high IQ>Thinks Average Computer engineer is high IQ
>>97357824Meh, i don't really care even if i live in Europe>>97357841>Tower Arcana>gunThat's more of a Justice or Judgement thing, tower should be a tank. btw did you manage to find the images for the the empress and emperor?
>>97357909Shouldn't the Tower be an explosives guy?
>>97357864In a direct fight with the setting's strongest peak magic users, dragon-guns-tower-man would probably lose, but he'd probably defeat average or advanced mages without difficulty.Though, I am somewhat hesitant introducing guns into the setting at all. I'm not really a fan of them conceptually. But going against the kind of things I like and designing a character antithetical to my ideal aesthetics might be perfect for The Tower...?But like I said, good images of anime dragon-men with guns are rare. If I end up picking one theme or the other, I think I'd go with dragon-man instead of guns-man.>>97357909Justice's character is already pretty fleshed out (at least in my head), and Judgement was mostly written for me before I started this CYOA.Empress is currently leaning towards Oberon from Fate (TY to whoever suggested him!), while Emperor is currently leaning towards Feo Ul from Final Fantasy. Though, one completely different idea I had is to just take the wings from a fairy's image, pixelate those wings with https://pixel-me.tokyo/en/ (the species are pixely retro "fairies" - picrel is the WIP race description which might be a bit too wordy and still needs to be edited a bit)), and then attach them to whichever femboy/tomboy character I like. It'll either look great or look like complete trash; still need to experiment a bit. If and only if I can make it look good, it'll be a great way of fleshing out the species' traits and give me a much greater selection of characters to work with.
>>97357674Class is just a structured boon that is given to all inhabitants of the world. Training and developing the other boons would also be another way to boost your soul or at the very least have a VM clear look at how that is progressing.
>>97357547No, no classes, no levels but there are other ways to grow your soul. Best thing to do is go classless to get the reward and then do a respec to get a class anyway.
>>97357809Extremely appropriate reply.
>>97357523it's easy to completely break cantrips because you can make custom overmagics, however even without custom overmagics it's pretty easy to make a combo that lets you train all 100 cantrips to grandmastery while basically in a self-induced trance that you don't really even notice, you pretty much just need the personality editing part of disguise self for it and something that gives you a safe space like pocket plus something that gives you provisions like goodberry
Reminder that there is no proof that the overpowered weeb classes actually harm your soul.
being a weeb is soul harm
>>97358079>>97357523oh, and if you do count in custom overmagics, then add one for haste/slow that gives you basically an inverse of the standard one, giving you a small space where time passes while everything beyond it is practically or literally stillyou basically just instantly fully grandmaster all cantrips the moment you get them, and you barely even notice the years it takes
Does anyone know how powerful the shifty diviner rituals are?
>>97358079>you can make custom overmagicsAnon, that was a fanmade addition. The core CYOA, which is the only one linked in the OP, doesn't let you make custom overmagics.
>>97358261Nta, it does. It's an update by the author himself.
>>97358079>>97358127Anon, there are a million and seven ways to train every cantrip to grandmastery. That alone isn't an overpowered build, because EVERY BUILD is going to have every cantrip at grandmastery.What is the overpowered thing you're going to DO with those cantrips. How are you going to combine them in interesting ways?
>>97358257No.Unexplained magic is a plague.
>>97357809Good cat>>97358023Mhhhh....I'm looking at the style of the image trying to understand what other cyoa did you make since i remember you mentioning being an old author....Is the dragon guy supposed to be a Dragonborn or a japanese style dragon man (basically a human with horns and tail)>TY to whoever suggested him!hey that's me>one completely different idea I had is to...It's a good idea but i suggest to use gemini with nanobanana instead of that website
>>97358261no, it's the base cyoa that tells you that
>>97358288there's one way to train every cantrip to grandmastery the slow way, and there's one way to do it instantlyi think it's pretty overpowered to do something in an instant that someone who doesn't think of it will need a hundred years to achieveanyway while i've made some huge cantrips builds, most of my musings were about doing things with custom overmagics
>>97358392>one way to train every cantrip to grandmastery the slow way, and there's one way to do it instantlyThere's also another way to do it fast, Haste + Guidance. Stack slow time bubbles on yourself and use guidance to never lose focus.
>>97358304Doesn't the loss of mystery bother you? I can see the appeal of figuring out how magic works, but if I wanted a rigorous system that is already fully articulated I would choose something more along the lines of science. This is not to say that one is necessarily the opposite of (or even inherently different than) the other. Ultimately I can see the point about the scientific method being some all-encompassing thing that should be able to break down and understand anything, but I think you could probably make an argument that magic is the same (ie anything can be "magic"), and if nothing else it's just fun to have a catch-all term for things that we either don't or can't understand - stuff that is seemingly miraculous. I'm interested to know how much of this eternal debate is actually perpetuated by people who believe strongly one way or the other. To me it seems like it's so bogged down in semantics that it's totally pointless; most of the time it's apples and oranges
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>>97358418It is not mystery, it is nothing.
I guess I'm more a fan of intuitive magic than exacting ritual anyway
>>97358079>>97358127>>97358392>custom overmagicsThread maker here: Custom Overmagics like giving yourself infinite wishes. I'd ban them from the challengeThere are also multiple ways to train all cantrips from 0-to-grandmaster. There's been a few builds in both these threads and reddit that found different ones.
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In my isekai setting guns exist and no one uses them except for tryhards because everyone is supernaturally tough by default due to the existence of a health and defense stat. Armor piercing rounds wouldn't even hurt a basic guard due to the defense stat. Guns are only viable with magic bullets in which case it's like firing an arcane blast of energy at that point and you wouldn't need a gun to do it, you would rather have a staff in most cases, but the advantage is that you can transcribe seals and runes into each individual bullet for more powerful one shot effects.but yeah lmao military squad blasting you with an AK wouldn't even kick dust off the floor. get fukt.
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>>97358473ok
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>>97358490that's not fair sir, you're supposed to react to my bait with more than that. how am I supposed to bait when you expose me like this?
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>>97358332Hmm, I discounted AI pixel art conversions because previous AI-generated pixel art I've seen looked horrendous (not even able to keep consistent pixel sizes), but that does actually look pretty good, so I guess I'll revisit that process. Would need to figure out a way to stop the gradient effect from happening on the wings' colors, though. That image also gives me confidence that pixel wings on a normal body could look very nice if I can manage to do it well. Thanks!>Dragonborn or a japanese style dragon man (basically a human with horns and tail)The latter. Horns, tail, and leathery wings. Ideally "dark" or "evil" looking, in a hot way. This character is a lot less fully-formed in my head, so I haven't really started my search for images for him in earnest yet. Stuff like his personality, whether I want him to have guns or not, etc isn't fully set in stone.>trying to understand what other cyoa didI'll reveal myself eventually. Just trying to minimize the time I spend as an author "promising a never-ever CYOA". It's still a long way off from release.
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>>97357545Who cares about the omniverse at large. I don't owe them shit.
>>97358473>In my isekai setting guns exist and no one uses them except for tryhards because everyone is supernaturally tough by default due to the existence of a health and defense stat.This is kind of retarded but at least its an explanation
>>97358533You may not care, but the Convention does and will annihilate you.
>>97358558Anon's waifus will protect him using the almost unlimited energy he's stolen. You have no hope. You have no chance.
What would be good general rewards in a cyoa that takes place in (Your) real life, if you don't care about the theme?* It must be stateable in very few words* It must be very specific* It must be appealing to almost all anons with their wide variety of personalities and goals* But not something that smells of omnipotenceThe best I could think of was:>"You get Superman powers."What else?
>>97358544You could kill basic rabbits and insects with a gun. Civilians too, I suppose. I guess you can upgrade the guns with a better smith to have a higher base damage value, but it's really not any more or less effective than an arrow at that point. I guess it's more portable than a bow and arrow but it also makes more noise. It's pretty annoying to maintain too, since most smiths will look at you like you're a weeb if you show up with a pistol and ask for repairs.
>>97358574cash, women who will tolerate you
>>97358558>but the Conventionis managed by my alt account
>>97358574The holy grail
>>97358574A huge pile of gold doubloons and the paperwork for them would surely please any anon.
>>97358473So, what stops people from making stronger guns?Anon, guns scale off the strength of the material you make them out of. If your setting has swords strong enough to pierce the flesh of people with a high toughness stat, then they can make a gun and bullets that are even more effective.>TL;DR: Guns scale with Swords.
>>97358574Invisibility (toggleable), 1 trillion USD (provably legitimate)
>>97358609>Guns scale with SwordsKek, swordfags wrecked by facts and logic
>>97358609yeah I clarified this over here >>97358575it's just ultimately not worth it, each bullet would need to be made of that rare material and is one use only. much better to just fire arcane shots made of your own mana but at that point you can do it with a staff so why bother. basically it's just wildly ineffecient. you have to be an autistic weeb to make guns work and it has a social stigma of tryhards since kids will fantasize about John Wick action gunfu in my setting. "ugh, really?" or "what a waste of good ultratitanium..." will be the reaction of most people.imagine for a second that Adamantium or Orchalium or Mythril or whatever fantasy metal existed, and in order to fire it with a gun, you have to make it into a bullet. and then launch it. when the going rate for a brick of that raw mineral would be like 1000 gold or more. Or it can be a sword that never wears out, or a staff that lets you fire arcane blasts as a default action (not a spell, it's the mage's default attack with a staff that any magic class can use). and for thieves or sneaky dexterity types the loudness of a firearm typically isn't worth it, and using a suppressor also isn't worth it, unless you're a weeb assassin or something but even then you'd probably discard the gun and could just use a poison or dagger instead...>>97358633other way around, gunfags suck in any setting that respects a health and defense stat. btw, I haven't even explained the health stat yet, but having an HP bar is pretty convenient. no sudden dismemberment or puncturing an artery without a skill or specific effect. imagine not respecting defense. get FUKT gunfags. also, golems > drones, so get fukt again.
cyoa that let you gunfag in isekai?
>>97358723PR
In a CYOA where magic almost destroyed the world would you seal it away so that it might not hurt humanity for a few hundred thousand years?You get to keep your powers but no one is born with magic powers anymore.
>>97358723Outer ReincarnationConduit (any variant)Witch AwakeningMost planeswalkersIsekai Dark OverlordIsekai Bounty Hunter
>>97358723Cataclysmic Cultivation
>>97358682>yeah I clarified this over hereYour clarification doesn't make any sense. Unlike a bow and arrow, a gun doesn't need a million hours of experience to get good with and can be used by a level 1 newb(while the bow would need a user the same level as the gun).A single bullet also uses less metal than a sword by a factor of 300 or more, and that not even factoring you only need to jacket the bullet rather than make it pure. An unbreakable material would also mean the bullets are just as recoverable as arrows, just enchant them with returning.If anything, you've just outlined why guns would be the primary weapon Everyone would use.>TL;DR: None of your reasons actually make any sense if you go to the hard math.
>>97358682>>97358772>Tries to nerf guns>Accidentally makes them even stronger
Why are anons even butthurt about guns in fantasy anyway? They literally serve the same purpose as magic wands, but usable by us dirty muggles.Removing guns just means the gang wars still happen, but they look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0OGjPzHOB0
>>97358829How did bypassing youtube age filters go? I think there was a website for mirroring youtube for that, but I can't find it now.
>>97358772putting a returning seal on bullets when impact with a target who has sufficient defense will damage the bullet. Have you never seen bullets colliding with targets? They bend and are damaged. The huge advantage that bows have over guns is that your actual strength and dexterity can be added to the shot, unlike guns which do not scale at all. They're stuck always doing 10 dps while the bow and arrow scale across your entire journey. An archer at level 1 will deal 10 dps, and the archer at level 100 will deal 980 dps, using the same shitty training bow, while the gunner is stuck at 10 dps the entire time and needing to fork over thousands of gold just to get his ammo and repair his guns with maintenance fees.Rare materials are rare materials so yes you can convert a brick of some rare metal into bullets but it's stuck at 500 base damage same as a sword but the sword is much more enchantable and you can use a series of established techniques while a gunfag can only squeeze their trigger or preload a single, MAYBE two, spell seals onto said bullet. I don't think you understand how tiny a bullet is, and the seal has to be inscribed on the surface of the bullet because a smith sure as fuck doesn't have the magical expertise to inside magical seals within the center of the bullet as they're just forming the shell and you write the seal on the surface of said bullet.again, the bullets dent and are bent or are destroyed outright when being fired at a target of comparable defensive value, even if a return seal for the ammo survived such a clash against armor or even just the naked skin of a high enough level guy, you're gonna get a piece of scrap at most which you'll have to take to a smith who will give you a look of disgust and upcharge you +50% for wasting his time forcing individual bullets from dented and worn out rare metals that could've been formed into a fantastic sword or staff instead. actually, make it +100% upcharge, dumb gunweeb.
>>97358843>https://www.youtube.com/embed/G0OGjPzHOB0replacing the "watch?v=" in a YouTube link with "embed/"
>>97358853>will damage the bullet>>97358682>Or it can be a sword that never wears outPICK ONE. You can't have it both ways anon.
>>97358853>n archer at level 1 will deal 10 dps, and the archer at level 100 will deal 980 dpsHow? A bow's power comes from it's drawstrength. If your bow user can do 98x the drawstrength, they'd shatter the shitty training bow.If that's not the case, then leveling would be multiplying projectile damage through some metaphysical effect on the projectile itself, which means it'd also apply to bullets.You logic doesn't track anon.
>>97358862https://www.youtube.com/embed/G0OGjPzHOB0 Why didn't you embed it if you had the solution?
>>97358862I get:>Error 153>Video player configuration error
>>97358897>Fell for it
>>97358872Sword has more surface area and can be given a basic enchant to enhance durability.>>97358890Retard, if a bow scales with your physicals that puts it above a gun which does not scale at all. Strings are made of special spider silk in my setting that is cheap and easy to source which are 10000000x stronger than most materials, meaning bows never snap and all tension is put on the bows. I've already thought of this shit, I've been focusing on guns because they're dumb, so COPE, gunfag.
>>97358890Stop arguing with the person who puts video game mechanics in their fantasy
>>97358912>StringsAnon, the string isn't what the drawstrength comes from.
>>97358920it does in my setting because it is a special bow string, also have you never seen that bow strings and materials are also made of rare wood? even animal tendons can be used for bow strings instead of spider threads. kill a dragon and use its tendon as a bow string. it's infinitely better than a shitty gun.keep seething gunfag... you lost, I don't even have to appeal to my special rules. truebloom bark bows with wooblywonk arrow tips that deal 500 dps after scaling >>>>>>>> mythil guns that shoot 10,000 gold bullets that deal 40 dps and bankrupt you. cry harder.
>>97358843Let me check which one still works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0OGjPzHOB0https://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=G0OGjPzHOB0https://www.pwnyoutube.com/watch?v=G0OGjPzHOB0https://www.youtuberepeat.com/watch?v=G0OGjPzHOB0
>they fell for the guy who specifically said he was baitinglollmao
>>97358943Nope, looks like all the loopholes were closed.
>>97358912That caption kind of describes why I'm tempted to have the Tower Guy be the Gun Guy. A bunch of companions who are world-class magic users, hand-to-hand combat experts, supergeniuses, or even an eldritch abomination, and then you just have this one crazy asshole going "Why bother with all of that? I have a gun."
A gun is are viable fantasy weapon, if you happen to shit unobtanium, to finance its construction, and deal with all the problem that a weapon with so many different parts would have. Powder is too weak, spend money, you're too weak to deal with the recoil, spend money, too slow to aim, spend money etc. Might as well build a flying castle, or a really good golem.
>>97358946Ssssssh, anon. We know. We ALL Know.We're killing time on a tuesday. I want to see how far troll anon can take the anti-gun setting.
>gunGODS btfo'd him with facts and logicYou love to see it
i see you made an error on your post. lmftfy, here you go friend:>>97358975>gunGODS btfo'd with facts and logicYou love to see it
>>97358829Tokhaar had a bad experience playing a first person shooter game and he's held it against guns ever since because his entire worldview is based on video games and pornography.Read these rants carefully:>I hope your CYOA have nothing to do with that picture, I hate gunfags and guns. There is no skill in shooting people, everyone can shoot people and you don't have any fucking counter-play, once a faggot has shot you you are dead. So combat boils down to who can be the most cowardly bastard possible and hide behind shit like a scared bitch. Real mother fuckers make fantasy CYOAs with swords and shit! There you have counter play and a nigga can't just squeeze a trigga to kill people. Sure you have crossbows, but crossbow blots can be blocked by shields. It's a fucking shame we can't have proper wars nowdays, the war meta was so much better before.... Don't be a gunfag and make a proper CYOA, with proper battle mechanics!>Yes sure, but what makes melee combat fun is that it is enjoyable. It is enjoyable because there are different weapons with different properties all of them are valid and got their pros and cons. On top of that you have different armor, same thing there. Beyond what gear you bring to combat your fighting is also affected by what martial style you practice. Like weapons all styles have strengths and weaknesses. Melee combat got crazy good customization and room for skill expression. Gunfaggotry is all about point and click. You basically got 3 choices as a gunfag which is only related to what gun you carry. Sniper rifles can shoot long distance, shotguns can shoot short, machine guns are good medium distance. Gunfaggotry has 3 custimization, gun combat got 0 depth.[1/2]
>>97358939>it does in my setting because it is a special bow string,That's a cop-out and you know it. "Special Bow String" won't increase the draw of the arc. You'd need to alter what the actual rigid part of the bow is made of to increase the drawstrength.>I don't even have to appeal to my special rules. >it does in my settingYou don't even see you owned yourself, do you.
>>97358985Now notice how he's basically describing the experience of being bad at an FPS, I know this as someone who's bad at FPSes who still plays them because I'm a red blooded American. He doesn't hold the same "point and click" experience against magic (or dragonbreath) because a fantasy game will have more melee enemies and rarer shooter enemies, keeping him comfortable in his element as a cowardly Skyrim stealth archer or whatever. Guns are not ugly or evil to him, they're just his PTSD trigger, so he sticks to being a pissbaby on League of Legends or other games that reward playtime (through levelling mechanics) over player skill.
>>97358985>So combat boils down to who can be the most cowardly bastard possible and hide behind shit like a scared bitch.Fantasy Rogues would explode Tok's brain.
>>97358943>>97358951Fuck modern youtube, Seriously. They never should have let google buy it.
>>97359001so first of all I explained how one material, the spidersilk mana thread, can be used to take the full weight of the draw strength so the wood of the bow doesn't bend. Most of the weight of the draw is supported by the string itself due to its magical properties and it always automatically adjusts to account for the strength of the wielder. It's weird magical shit and is an esoteric property of that specific material itself. This is what basic bows are made of since it's cheap and readily available. So a master archer with 999 str/dex can show up and fire a full power shot from any bow without damaging it. because I actually think of these things and have explanations for it. That is the default string used in all bows in my setting. now, if you want advanced bows, you just need to kill an animal and use its body parts to create a new and superior thread for your bow string. like those made from unicorns, or dragons, or your mom. either way, the end result is a strong bow that outperforms a gun at all levels.this is pretty damn simple, I'm barely even trying with my replies and you're all getting blown out.
>>97359053damn you btfo him! so, where do i play this setting of yours?
>>97359072damn you got me, my OC isn't done yet.i'm still making it, and i'm open for suggestions. not for gunfags tho, i want them to suffer.
>>97358772>A single bullet also uses less metal than a swordThe gun is made of metal too, and a handgun and a sword are around the same weight.
>>97358985>shotguns can shoot shortkek such blatant vidya-ism. "he's shit at FPS games" is so obvious now
>>97359053>can be used to take the full weight of the draw strength so the wood of the bow doesn't bendIf it doesn't put any weight on the wood, why would the archer even need higher strength to draw it? The strength requirement for drawing a bow is the counter-forces between the string and the arc. If there's no force on the arc, your level 1 archer would be able to draw a level 999 bow for level 999 archer damage.
>>97359083>The gun is made of metal tooAnon, have you ever held a gun before?, the majority of the gun is NOT made of metal.
>>97359100>anon is already hacking the system for infinite damage at level 1
>>97359100read the next line, that first sentence was a typo... I knew one of you autists would get hung up over that even though i clarified it immediately after. but that is correct otherwise, i apologize for my mistake. if I hadn't made that bad sentence this wouldn't have happened. so i admit it was my fault and won't hold it against you.
>>97359053>>97359124Anon, by making every monsters tendons out of similar material, every monster in your setting would have the strength of superman far and above what their stat spread would say.Having tendon strength and clench force scale off the force put on it, up to infinity, means that monsters would get stronger the more force/weight they're dealing with.
>>97359124Build a machine that applies more strength than you can, like a crossbow is designed to do. Now your bow can hit many levels above you weightclass.
gonna post this, then Desert Lotus, then make a build for all three
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>>97359145the tendon method scales as you'd expect.so let's say you kill a centaur and use its monster parts in your bow, it'll scale accordingly and will have a suitable durability appropriate to that monster. but if you instead kill a stronger creature like a hydra and use a piece of its tongue instead, then yeah, you'll have an even stronger bow. it's a whole system and it makes sense within its own logic. the default material for a bow is the special spider thread I mentioned before, it's like an automatic adjuster to power and the bow it's attached to. it is very autistic>Having tendon strength and clench force scale off the force put on it, up to infinity, means that monsters would get stronger the more force/weight they're dealing with.this is correct though, the stronger the monster the better the bow you can construct, but there is a limit unlike with the basic spidersilk mana thread (however this takes away too much power, while other materials allow you to exert more of it, even though the spidersilk mana thread is common and widespread).>>97359167I haven't thought of how to handle crossbows but naturally they'll be infinitely superior to guns as well. yes, I have double standards.
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>>97359083guns arent disposable doe and can be reused so long as theyre maintained just like a sword needs to be maintained to keep working right
>>97359100i think what the guy is trying to say is that rather than the bow being the spring that holds all the potential energy, its the strong, even though he doesnt need to do that to make this shit work the way hes wanting it to work
>>97358682>A sword can be reusedSo once you kill a single swordsman with your gun you can just take his?Winning a single battle is more then enoughAlso, why even use gunpowder based combustion?Combine Magic lightning creator + Magic lightning absorber into a railgun that shoots metal stakes
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>>97358939>String breaks conservation of energyAttach a bunch of them together in an elaborate contraption and shoot a metal stake faster then the speed of light, easy
>>97359229that's right, Anon, just let go of all the pain. use a bow and arrow instead of a gun. real world physics don't matter. the real world can't hurt you anymore!>>97359230in my setting the weapon itself will come with durability by default, but maintenance can be done to upkeep it. it's very simplified. even a gun will have enhanced durability. the difference is most smiths will look at you like you're a weirdo gunslinger weeabo (it's like how we romanticize katanas or something, so think of taking your cold steel edgesword to a european smith who judges you for not just using a longsword, that's the equivalent).>>97359246yeah, I suppose you can use a higher rank gun for this. they could be treated like expensive flintlocks and disposable one use items. so a level 1 scrub who grabs a level 50 gun can use it to easily take out a level 20 guard he would otherwise have no chance against. yeah, I guess that's definitely the strong suit of guns, but good luck finding one at that level. said level 20 guard will likely survive several bullets depending on his hp and armor/defense values even from a level 50 gun.my main point is that they're niche and mostly impractical, but there are definitely some situations where you can use a gun. Actually, that's perfect! thanks Anon! i'll make it so you can choose an upper mid tier gun as a starter item as a starting boon. it'll basically act as an Indiana Jones "get out of jail" free card at low levels and that's about it. i'm glad I went through all these posts, you gave me a good idea.
>>97359246>Combine Magic lightning creator + Magic lightning absorber into a railgun that shoots metal stakesalso you can absolutely do this and I encourage this, railgun > actual gunbut my oc runs off of anime physics so it's slightly different to our real world physics>>97359289yes actually, that basic string will be used in a lot of devices. including pic related.
>>97359081what's the elevator pitch
>>97359178https://xpressenglish.com/our-stories/hospice/Is it based on this?Although it could be based on any number of other fiction as well.
>>97359304>gun > gun...At this point your not even pissing off gunfags or fantasyfags, everyone is just confused.
its kinda fascinating how utterly moronic things can get when they do their damndest to make a specific thing bad but everything else good, like seriously, why not put together the gun and staff and get something with far more accuracy than a staff but greater magical performance than a regular gun, why not make gunpowder or smth that scales with stats as well, why not make a system for infinite ammo of any type so long as you feed it a single bullet of that type but that ammo cant be melted into a sword or smth and as such doesnt break the economy of rare metals, why not do what settings like class change hero and jrpg traitor did and give guns and bullets their own benefits like far higher damage potential or the ability to have homing shots or whatever else that can be done on the fly cause the gun is also a staff kinda and not a bow, how about introducing cannons and artillery guns that are much better than bows and whatnot unless theyre high quality ones wielded by hero tier characters, etctheres all kinds of ways one could improve guns to make them usable in just about any setting and if youre willing to make so many concessions to make bows scalable then why not guns unless youre just a toklet who cant stop crying about guns being bad and you cant have fun with them, etc
>>97359319>its kinda fascinating how utterly moronic things can get when they do their damndest to make a specific thing bad but everything else goodstream of consciousness goodpunctuation bad
>>97359308right now it's just a custom isekai setting, nothing too fancy. I'm making it as practice for a bigger and better project i want to make. preferably I want to make something similar to isekai bounty hunt where you have quests. will be pretty simple.>>97359317to confuse your enemies you must confuse yourself>>97359319like this guy, he's so lost even I'm far gone
>>97359338>to confuse your enemies you must confuse yourselfI change my mind. Gunseether you are based.
>>97358985i love how he doesnt acknowledge that ALL COMBAT is just being a coward and hiding behind shit as you try and attack the other guy, whether that be a wall, a shield, your armor, the reach of a spear or sword, etc, also even with swords there arent always counterplays, there can be counter attacks but that can only go so far especially if theres an equipment difference or theres a skill difference, note swords were never the main weapon of combat it was always the spear and ranged weapons, swords were sidearms at best or were used in areas you werent able to bring a polearm or use a ranged weapon, also like, just make shields that can block bullets if that makes them okay in your eyes, which, it probably wont, but then i can slap you with bows and crossbows going through shields two often enoughalso, all the wrongness of the second section makes my head spin, especially as i watch badger and ive seen him use a sniper in melee and a shotgun as a sniper rifle
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>>97359338im not lost im just saying youre doing all these things to make bows good in your setting but leaving out specifically firearms despite them having similar issues (note how everything you said about ammunition issues can be taken with arrows as well just less so with the spell tag thing but even then) just cause youre mad guns are so good, and i get to say that cause im a crossbow lover who seethes about guns and bows outdoing crossbows in just about everything, doesnt stop me from recognizing that guns are good, doesnt stop me from being inclusive, nor does it stop me from loving crossbows
>>97359370I like this bait betterHe posted kaiba
>>97359370Here is a good paladin cyoa.
>>97358447>Home:Distant High House>Companion:Noire Mustaihoinen>Horror at Home:House on the Borderland>Hazard:RatfaceJust an annoyance. Exorcise it eventually.
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>>97359370You know what, I'll make one for you.
>>97359384>>97359443I have to be honest, this is actually better than the new one.
>>97359521Why are you lying anon
>>97359380yes, Anon, i'll admit it, i hate guns. i specifically designed my universe to screw guns over. but to be honest i didn't do much that common sense wouldn't cover. just think about it and if a fantasy setting has defense and hp as stats that means guns are not worth using. bow and arrow takes less technological skill to make and maintain, and arrows are easier to craft than specific bullet sizes, and enchanting arrows is an easier process than enchanting each individual bullet as you have more surface area to carve runes and stuff into. guns are not effective fantasy weapons and i'll stand by that. also, with crossbows, I did just think of a way to solve it. by cranking and loading the bolt you have to exert your own strength which gets sealed into the launching mechanism so it retains your physical ability and thus scales with you as well. guns don't require you to physically load each bolt so they can't benefit from this. yeah, I guess I solved it. repeating crossbow bolts would have to have a similar loading mechanism but would suffer from reduced power in exchange for more shots... there we go, solved.
>>97359524Why do you like trash like the new one anon?Longer does not necessarily mean better.
>>97359532>if a fantasy setting has defense and hp as statsit's shit
Is no one going to post the capeshit cyoa?
>>97359570plenty of cyoa like dawn of a demon lord have stats. I think i'm going to purposefully be autistic and have actual hard numbers though just to piss everyone off.gigantic dumpster fire of autismos with math spreadsheets picking apart the cyoa. that'll be fun!
>>97359582Funny thing, Ridicule from Umineko is currently in first place for my dragon-tower-guns-man's musical theme.
>>97359582Actually the setting is already almost solvedLike how A waterwheel turns a unified motion into a rotational motion and then into a back and forth motion, one could use the magic silk trivially to create an endless back and forth motion, convert that into a rotation, increase the torque of said rotation with a gear exchange and then use said high torque spinning gear to load a crossbowThen said cross bow can have a level 999 bowstring without the user needing to be lvl999 himself, allowing one to kill some demon lord or whatever an gain all of the lands riches(Instead of carrying multiple crossbows you would have each crossbow contain like 4-7 strings and fire them separately)It would only take a few months of work to set up. Effectively freeNot to mention that one could use a bucket on rails system to industrialize key mining infrastructure(Note that one can strengthen a given bowstring using coils and things, it would not necessarily need to be a highly expensive one)
>>97359532>arrows are easier to craft than specific bullet sizesOne of the benefits of early guns was that casting lead balls was easier than making arrows. Soldiers would often carry casting kits with them to recast spent balls. I can understand making an enchanting system where arrows are easier to enchant. In fact I've actually always liked the idea of making arrows from tightly rolled scrolls that are glued down to a core of some magic fuel. However arrows take a lot more work than using a camp fire some lead, as well as an iron mold and ladle. Even when you get to modern bullets with a full metal jacket, brass casing, and a primer it's still easier to make than a good arrow. Though there are some exotic armor piercing ammo types that would surpass a good arrow in difficulty to manufacture without modern equipment.
>>97359169>"Until my business is attended to">The Corner Advantage>A Favour from the Maitre D'>Gold TIpped Cigarettes>Black Card>Superlative Shoe-Shine>Professional Matchmaker>The Architect - Amelia Pulcheria>Writing on a Receipt>Secret Rendezvous>Manager or Puppeteer?>Romance
>>97359384I want to take order of truth in my build, but i already know that I'm quite bad at information gathering
>>97358509>>97359606>The latter. Horns, tail, and leathery wings. Ideally "dark" or "evil" looking, in a hot way?
>finally read Lord of Mysteries>isekaislop>cultivationslop>chink propagandaslop at times too?!?!?!Is that what you faggots were pissing and shitting yourselves over? I could've guessed by the constant Fateposting that you had shit taste in media but man do I always get blindsided by how little you retards actually read. No wonder we're going to get tankistaslop CYOA for it as well
>>97359737I suspect people who like long web serials in general like LotM, and people who don't, don't. It's a work firmly within the tradition of web serials, such as it is.
>>97359727Fascinating, who is it? I'll add him to the growing list of potential faces for this guy
>>97359737>cultivationslop???? What are you talking abou.... hold on.. this is bait isn't it?Well at the least i do agree with the sentiment that tankista is going to release slop.
>>97359737>chink propagandaslop at times too?!?!?!That's all manhuas at some point by the way. Both the chinese and korean ones always have at least some vaguely patriotic themes or characters even if it's not the MC.
>>97359727Is this Digimon? The dragon in the back looks like a strange giant Guilmon/Growlmon, it even has the strange triangle seal thing.
>>97359754sesa (arknights), he does not have a lot of art
