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>>97365242Remember the Delos!
who else likes aerospace fighters?
>>97365261I like them. I just don’t understand the rules and how they don’t just immediately win every fight in universe.
>>97365261Love aircraft. Love their designs. Hate their rules.
>>97365265they'd be better if they worked exactly the same as mechs but just had high movement ratings and could move up levels to an arbitray height at will, but were forced to remain three levels above the level of the hex they occupy or something like that, maybe being forced to move one hex forward for every hex upward too for non-vtol units....I think I just solved areospace.
Speaking of which>want to play Aces in co-op with my board game friends, maybe lure them into playing more battletech with me>but one of them doesn't like mechs (hopefully this will change soon)For the time being, are there any combat vehicles that I could field for him to play instead of a mech? Something that can take a beating and dish out damage on more of a mech level rather than some bait like a Scorpion. Maybe a very up armored VTOL?
>>97365275I don't see a significant difference in making it move 4 mapsheets or 120 hexes other than a lot more counting spaces.
>>97365287Mechs take beatings. That's their niche as a unit type. Other things can be cheap big guns, but they don't take beatings.
>>97365287Does he want to be an assault dropship?
>>97365265Wherever I go, I must lawndart.Aerospace fighters are generally reserved to protect dropships, warships and jumpships in an invasion with limited strikes and dogfighting done on planet, as a far less expensive conventional fighter can intercept and any contact with enemy forces risks the complete loss of the unit.If you bomb 3 HCT-3Fs, mektechs on planet can maybe stitch back together an HCT-3F; if those same meks shoot down 3 of your aerospace units, they are craters and atoms each.
Shit I don't know what to paint the Cossack when it arrives. What's a good all purpose military scheme?
Hey why the fuck does my Timber Wolf mini only have 3x3 LRM racks instead of the 5x4 racks? It has 14 on the bottom of the base which points to the correct mini from the Clan Invasion box set, but the one mini I've had since the original Clan kickstarter has the normal 5x4 rack.
>>973653193x4 rather. Still some bullshit.
>>97365287The 160 ton Devastator II with hardened armor would be a bitch to take down
>>97365304This is a cool explanation and I like it… but where the fuck are all the cheap conventional fighters in the fiction? Shouldn’t those cheaper Jets still be kicking the shit out of my slow ass catapult?
>>97365335Conventional fighters are of little use to an invasion force as they would need to land in order to launch them. For a defense force they are also of somewhat limited utility as they both cannot engage aerospace targets when they leave atmosphere and can be ambushed from orbit at any time.That relegates conventional fighters to interception roles as part of a planetary defense or COIN/Close Air Support craft against earthbound insurgency or where air and space superiority can be ensured (or in desperate scenarios where losses are guaranteed and operational effectiveness per attrition becomes the only strategic factor). Further, the roles of conventional aircraft are commonly well handled by VTOLs at short distances.So; in conclusion: While an important and cost effective protective element, conventional aircraft are highly specialized in their role and application and thus are fielded only under select conditions in environments that can support their use.
>>97365295There are definitely tanks that deal and take beatings, they just are very very slow.
TURN ON THE HOLOCASTER ANY CHANNEL!
>>97365301This is purely my idea, give him a cool vehicle and then slowly try to warm him up to the mechs. If not heavily armored it can be simply something hard to hit, like a fast vtol.
>>97365372OH MY GOD THEY HIT THE PALACE OF THE FIRST LORD!
>>97365335A conventional fighter is an ASF with no fucking armor. It still lawndarts but gains the ability to fucking die when a PPC hits it instead of just enjoying SI threshold crit lottery.
>>97365305Olive drab, or simply green.
>>97365399It would match one of her color styles...
>>97365437Oh, you're the OC guy. I guess there's a charm to a pilot matching their mech, although I prefer the old shorts and cooling vest only style for mechwarriors.
>>97365382Any vee with hardened armor and/or armored motive systems are going to be protective enough for him. He could try conventional fighters if he wants something contemporary that's still effective. There's also Savannah Master spam or hover vees that go over 100kph that'd fit the bill.
>>97365335A Rifleman can actually reliably shoot them down on account of their lacking armor.The best use of them I've ever seen in an official story is what Kraken Unleashed did, load up a bunch of Mechbusters on their submersible carrier and using them for lightning strikes on coastal targets picked out for being vulnerable. The Mechbusters pitiful endurance doesn't matter because they're only flying in from just over the horizon to the shore, hitting a column once, then going back to the carrier waiting just out of view. They couldn't be intercepted because the carrier only popped up when it was clear and they couldn't be taken out on the ground because they never landed on a viable target.
>>97365446If it helps I'm planning a cooling vest rendition. She's an IS Merc. It might be the 3155 but there's no way she's got access to a cooling suit. This is also my excuse to put her in a leotard.
>found a jap girl playing MWO>she honors the dragonOf course. >>97365456>This is also my excuse to put her in a leotard.Valid.
What would you rather have, fifty conventional aircraft that are essentially the SU-25 on steroids, or twenty aerospace fighters?
>>97365366Based, thank you for making my games of make-believe more immersive anon.
Has anybody used the new Aces cards to go full autism mode and play a solo campaign? I wanna try using all those autistic campaign ops rules but I don’t wanna subject my friends to my sick fantasy.
>>97365533Not yet but I want to play the tutorial and a few missions to test it out before playing it with my friends. I'll need to get a new mat first tho.
>>97365533>all those autistic campaign ops rulesSir, the proper term is Accounttech!
>>97365556Ive been using hex maps to great success per the alpha strike book. Only afraid to take the plunge into full classic adaptation
So what’s the in-universe fluff for the weapon ranges being so minuscule again?
>>97365319
I like Davion, sorry not sorry
Gas the clanners; Succession war now!
>Hire a jaded big titty mercenary to kill Clanners.
>>97365319Jesus Christ that is a rough sculpt, those mold lines are insane
I feel like Battletech Gothic looks more like a DC Absolute Universe version of Battletech more than a 40k version of Battletech.
>>97365639Personally, I think it's more like Doom/Quake.
>>97365589Shut up. Alternatively something something default ecm something something.
>>97365589>in-universeECM's really good and makes computer-assisted acquisition of targets using means other than direct visual confirmation very difficult. Meaning unless you can literally see your target, you're relying on inherently unreliable sensors that can only give you vague alerts or directions regarding detection or enemy movement.As an example of BT ECM and computers, dedicated combat drones, which have their own ECM and shielding and are relying purely on all the computer sensors also provided to a mechwarrior, are worse in general than an objectively incompetent mechwarrior and they get crippled even further if a unit with an upgraded ECM suite moves into range.Out of universe, the tabletop ranges were explicitly stated to be abstractions that shorten the ranges far more than would be realistic for the sake of gameplay and not forcing you to have and play on a room-sized mapsheet.Some idiot authors have taken the TT ranges literally because they are idiots and don't care about battletech when they write for it. So a large laser isn't supposed to have an absolute maximum range of 450 meters, it's supposed to have a vastly longer range in-universe, the writers are just hacks that never read about what they're writing about.
>>97365618>she lost, got captured and was thrown to the elementals for "relief"
>>97365658>>97365589>In Universe.They have far longer rangers. We just play at shorter distances.
>>97365366NTA, but that means conventional fighters are better at single, fast strikes and VTOLs are more for being a nuisance? A VTOL like a Warrior can plink away and spot a distant target, but conventional fighters like the Angel or Defender can load up with tandems and bombs and give one particular target a bad day and then are best off leaving the battle entirely after that first engagement?
Need Lyran Intelligence Corps gf
>>97365596Which I would agree with, but the fuckin number underneath is the same as the Timber Wolf Prime included with the Clan Invasion box set. >>97365628Yeah it’s pretty fucking Roth my nigga
>>97365505>she98% chance that's a dude with a voice changer
>>97365287I've had that issue before. Picked up a Battle Armor platoon box and the Recon and Hunter Lances box. The combined 4 Units of Infantry, 2 Helicopters, 2 sets of 2 Tanks, and 2 APC/IFVs provides a good selection for that kind of person. Since you probably aren't deploying every single one of those, even allows for them to customize a bit.Also relevantly, this set causes a slight draw towards mechs. They fit extremely well in the height gap between the tanks and the helicopters on their stands.
>>97365702Vtubers mostly being men with voice changers has always been a myth, they're mostly just regular girls.
>>97365687>Morena is forced to eject.>Knows that the Clanners will be here soon.>Looks at her M-44L Laser Pistol.Thats literally why she has it.
>>97365261Luv me cheetah's simple asTwo aerospace bays in a union to do recon and 2 mediums for the price of a locust. It's pretty reasonable for something such a pain in the ass to hit. Until people start getting cheeky and take riflemen or jaegermechs
>>97365714Yeah, but this one in particular has the wonky off tune voice if you watch enough of their videos
>>97365727>>97365702I watched a few videos, she sounds normal. >>97365714What's up with these people constantly insisting that every woman is actually a guy, are they chasers or something. It's always voice changer that, she's trying to hide a bulge/adam's apple and shit like that.
>>97365720>oh no, she forgot to change the battery, it's out!
>>97365712Don't want to overwhelm with minis, I want him to have one "hero" unit like everyone else, like a cool chopper, tank or a plane before he warms up to mechs.
>>97365712Pic related shows how the mechs fill out the empty space so its a gradient rather than a sharp jump.
>oh look who finally decided to join us!>six sorties and you never came out of your roo-I mean cockpit>what do you have to say for yourself young lady?
>>97365766Which is why she carriers this, too.>Across the neck, and shes done.
>>97365691Since their maximum armor values are arbitrarily crippled so badly they're not really good for anything besides recon and being suicide platforms.A 50 ton conventional fighter gets up to 50 armor points, a 50 ton aerospace fighter gets up to 400.
>>97365795>oh no, she was scammed, the merchant sold her a trick knife>the big sweaty elementals almost caught up to her!
>>97365778Is it illegal to make models that actually fit on their bases?
>>97365760https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzgbqEg5P6YHow do you not hear the voice distortion
>>97365822You have a crazy rape fetish.
>>97365760Vtuber community is overrun with trannies and pedophiles and other sexual deviants of all genders, it’s a well-known fact
>>97365774Ah, so doing it with Classic Battletech rules rather than the Alpha Strike rules?Battle Armor's not as good a pickup then as those you tend to want to run several of at once, but Recon and Hunter is probably still a good pickup.It'll allow for them to choose their hero, and as they get better and can start to manage multiple units, there's an initial easy expansion to the second guy, and if aerospace and tank types are both being run by them - or someone else picked up one of those - then the gradient seen >>97365778 naturally shows up.
>>97365822Look man shes not even fully developed with a backstory yet, at least wait a bit before you write a greentext about her being buttfucked in her cockpit.
>>97365836>>97365840Rent free.
>>97365823>Is it illegal to make models that actually fit on their bases?Bigger robit is more betterer
>>97365837I never said they're going to have sex with her, perv.
>>97365802They may not be survivable, but at half the price of a Warrior the Defender can probably do a pretty damn good single strike before going home if it doesn't get shot down. The Angel's around the same price as the Defender and goes even faster, so it can probably more successfully drop off a bomb and then leave.
>>97365857It's the same with the tank too.
>>97365841Nah I'm going to make four pilots, one for each of us, and pick some cool units, mostly mechs and a few fillers like cheap tanks and some elementals. But if possible I'd like to replace like one or two mechs with some cool, more expensive VTOLs and tanks. That way maybe he'll spot something more to his taste, although he's not 10 and it's not like he won't play a game with his buddies just because it has mechs so it's not that important.
>>97365847>her grandmother? Blakist gf
>>97365699I thought that it was a Legendary Mechwarriors box 3 Mad Cat, but the arms are different. My guess is that the Chinese workers glued said box 3 missile pods on the CI Mad Cat by mistake
>>97365714And even the ones using the voice changer just openly admits he's a man from the start, at least most of them
>>97365914No. She comes from the area formally known as the Aurigan Coalition. Blakist GF comes from Terra.
>*ruins everything*
>>97365938Only thing she did wrong was lose
>>97365505There was a pilot oc image similar to this I saw once but iirc it was like a redhead dragon pilot and the pic pointed out out burn scars from running the mech too hot. I've been trying to find it for ages
>>97365335smoldering wrecks.Boomerangs were mentioned in the earlier novels a time or three.
OC anon (or artfag, which do you prefer?), have this. Fill it out to flesh out your OC if you feel like it.
>>97365822Go go gadget suicide vest!
>>97365974Eh, call me whatever yall like.I'll definitely put this to good use.
>>97365961Sadly I can't recall anything like that at the moment, sorry.>>97365991Glad to hear it.
>>97365569
the other guy is afraid but I'll say if I knocked out that chicks mech I'd rape that bitch
>Rape>When you can beat a clanner and they'll willingly give themselves to you
>>97366020Anon, the whole joke was that it was never stated what the "relief" was and it was left up to the readed if it was going to be playing checkers or something lewd, like a self report.
>>97366020Rape is a lot of work bud, unless it's a meek one you're dealing with catching a heel in the ribs or your face all scratched up. Plus it just doesn't feel as good physically. Like yeah it's fun, but there's some serious downsides.
>>97366056>Like yeah it's fun,
I would like to be raped by an elemental, personally
>>97365290well obviously you wouldn't give them 120 fucking movement, you'd give them like, 20-30 movement or so, confine them to the mapsheets but do so in a way that they /can/ end up in line of fire to mechs if the player isn't thinking tactically.
>>97365938The destruction of the Federated Commonwealth was a net good.The fathering of the IlKhan was a net negative.She is neutral.
>>97366051>>97366056are you kidding me, look at that bitch she's got tits the size of her head. she was built for the streets of canopus not warfare.
>>97366069
>>97365956An old story for German leadership.
>>97366020>>97366051>>97366056When I was in university I was dating a chick who wanted me to "rape" her. Like it started innocently enough, 'hold my wrists, choke me', and ultimately she wanted me randomly come into her place without prior warning and have sex with her while she 'resisted'. Honestly the most stressful experience of my life, the whole time I was scared to death someone was going to hear something and call the cops, or she was going to get even crazier and report me herself. Eventually I pawned her off on an acquaintance and last I heard both of them were in jail for beating the shit out of each other.
>>97366090While prostitutes are a valid kink, there's a charm to a character with a sexy body that's actually a normal person rather than a degenerate. Like Command Grab or the like. Just let them do their thing while looking good and appreciate them like a nice rack in a thick sweater.
>>97366097You did it wrong, a "real" rape fantasy would involve you taking her phone and then locking her up in your basement.Fucking newb.>t. cured a dumb cunt of rape fantasies
>>97366051You worded it specifically to be read that way, clanners are notorious rapists and sexual degenerates by IS standards.
>>97366104She's built for the streets too.
>>97366111how much prison rape happens in the clans?
>>97366097Rape is a surprisingly common fantasy among women, but most don't actually want to RP it, just fantasize about a big strong man doing something exciting aka making them have sex they already wanted but said "no" because they like those games. It comes from the same place as the "you have to want it without me telling you to want it" thing if you ask me.
>>97366111No, your mind went there. And this is the first time I hear about them being rapist, especially since they're casual about having sex with each other from what I remember.
>>97366117None. Clanners have been cured of homosexual tendencies by the scientist caste.
>>97366116Feel free to fantasize about it, but the artist has the right to make their character as sexy or unsexy as they want even when not making porn. Otherwise all non-porn characters would have to be unsexy not to trigger gooners and their porn sense.
>>97366132You're a very disingenuous person.
>>97366145As soon as you post something online you've surrendered it to the whims of the masses. She's built for the webz.
>>97366153Projection.
>>97366157I'm sure you'll get a lot of use out of her in your head.
>>97366132>this is the first time I've heard about clanners being rapists when it's normal for superiors to coerce sex and sibko instructors to fuck their child traineesHow new are you?
>>97366171Too new for your pedo fantasies apparently.
>>97366171You are making the mistake of thinking the people you are conversing with have read the source material.
>Go to eat before drawing.>See this.
The ilkhan is literally an incest baby
>>97365242What did the blakists do with the missing one?
>>97366177I didn't write that lore.
>>97366171>>97366177I haven't played any of the mechwarrior 5 clans games, but I am going to bet none of them talk about the child orgies, so that's lore that the secondaries don't know.
>>97366184And that's a good thing. I for one welcome the rightful Archon and laud his accession to First Lord of the Star League. Lyrans keep winning.
>>97365790Depending on the mech, I might not be able to blame her. You could practically live in the mechs on the heavier side.
ITT tertiaries, 40kid rapefugees, and other assorted riff raff learn the joys of Btechs magical realm of institutionalized child rape. Remember you can't hate clanners enough.
Pretty sure you're just making shit up at this point that seems plausible to your shitposting mind. Otherwise it wouldn't be too hard to reference a source.
>>97366190Seems like it's either you stay casual or become mentally ill.>>97366187Nobody forced you to share it either.
>>97366215Which is why Morena has a "No Mercy" mentality, save for the Labor Caste.>Scientists: Craft the weapons of war that struck terror during the Invasion.>Technicians: Maintain the weapons of war.>Warriors: Implement the horror of the Clans upon the Sphere.>Merchants: Oppress those in territories with their institutions and help keep them and the Clan machine oiled.Only ones she thinks twice on are the Labor Caste which, to her knowledge, are essentially enslaved. Doesn't mean she won't football kick them across the field, she'll just feel ever slightly bad its come to this.
>>97366215>>97366221>>97366222What's hilarious is that when they came up with this stuff 30-40 years ago, it was truly alien and repugnant. Now in the last 10 years the mask has really come off on the powerful elites pressuring their underlings for sexual favors (Weinstein), the organized sexual exploitation of minors (Epstein), and frequent casual sexual relations (hookup culture/general moral degradation).
What are Battletech roads and bridges made of if they can consistently carry multiple 100 ton tanks and mechs
>>97366240Ferrocrete.
>>97366240Star League-grade Asphalt.The Inner Sphere lost a great deal in the collapse of the Star League, but something they all kept was their quality grade Asphalt.
>>97366228I don't think anybody that kills people for money should be moralizing either, unless she works for those merc companies that never go after anything other than pirates and military units. Otherwise she probably already fragged a few innocent civilians and kids, accidentally or not.
>>97366222It explains why interpreting your "joke" as a rape fantasy would be expected.Because you're making a rape joke about a bunch of life-long rapists being given a defenseless woman.People assume you're aware of that when you make the joke.
>>97366231Post the source on these clan orgies.
>>97366250I like to think that despite being a jaded, dower, sour person, theres still that single little muscle in her calcified heart that, when she sees a mother clutching her child, she hesitates for half a second.Then uses the other half of that second to target them with her Thermite-Napalm 125mm SRM-2s.
>>97366252More like it explains why the first thing you thought of was rape.
>>97366253Wow, you're really interested in reading about underage sexual relations, aren't you?Way of the Clans (1991)
>>97366258I know you're joking but you also make her feel despicable and that's a feeling that might not be easy to shake off.
FDriendly reminder Way of the Clans is part of the Jade Falcon trilogy which is required reading for understanding the setting. It is the best in universe look at Clan Life. Just skip past the rapey bits.
>>97366263Stop stalling and post the screenshot already. I know you have it saved if it's real and really excites you this much.
>>97366267I'm not joking. She will hesitate for a single moment, sometimes, before doing her job. On cold nights, when shes drinking herself to sleep, she might remember the blur of those faces. Frozen in melted terror, blown to bits, fusing together as their skin and muscle slide off the bone as they try to scream, but utter no sound as flame and smoke belch from their mouths.>>97366275Jesus christ get the fuck out of here dude.
>>97366121They also generally want a top tier man, not what they'd realistically be raped by. They want to be swept away on a private helicopter to a suave CEO's private fuckpalace and also he's really good at eating girls out and doesn't ask first, not held down at knifepoint by a smelly hobo in an alley who barely even knows how to use his own penis and couldn't care even the tiniest amount about what she likes.
>>97366274>Screenshot.Sorry buddy, you'll have to read the books like the rest of us did. No more spoonfeeding for you.
>>97366283I think it's time to retire this OC. Or drown her in a bathtub or something.
>>97366291But anon surely you know he will respond by claiming the child rape doesn't exist since you wont cram his face nose first on the relevant pages. I can see them moving the goalposts from here.
>>97366291>it's bullshit but I want you to waste your time Pass.
>>97365261Me. ASF and LAMS, my beloved.
>>97366295Like all my OCs, there will come a turning point where life flips a coin. In 3160, that coin will flip. On one end, a chance to get out of this wretched life, maybe with someone. On the other end, her cockpit crushed in beneath a Dire Wolf's foot.
>>97366295Bathtub toast.>>97366304You called it, well done.
>>97366311You got me, I moved my goal post to not spending an afternoon looking for child orgies lore. You can keep that achievement for yourself.
I don't seem to remember that from Way of the Clans when I read it twenty years ago. Maybe you could find a page number.You did read Way of the Clans didn't you?
>Be belligerantly ignorant of a longstanding point of lore>Haven't read some of the foundational novels of the universe>No desire to read about the setting40k Refugee, videogame secondary, or post kickstarter redditor, or troll. Call it in the air.
>>97366326So you can either disappear after I post it or double down on being a faggot? Why should I bother?
Is a Streak LRM5 a decent anti-air weapon?
>>97366342Its adequate. The Steak helps the LRM-5 but I feel that for its weight its not worth it.
>>97366309>a coin for each of your victims monster>flip them allWould probably make for a good scene in Hellraiser or something, flip a coin for each person you hurt and if even one lands heads you get punished and have to start over.
>>97366335Because assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I seem to recall Aiden being made to bottom by his abusive trainer because she was jealous that he liked a girl in his sibko. This is presented as a terrible and bad thing and would have gotten her murdered in a circle of equals if she wasn't an ultra tough cunt.
>>97366333>No desire to read about child orgies?>Not a real BT fan!kek
>>97366333I choose YouTube essay lorelet.>>97366342LBX ACs, ACs loaded with flak, all PPCs except snubbies, all large lasers except IS LPL. The ACs get to hit bonuses the others will get free crit chances more often than not and have decent range brackets vs Aero.
>>97366349The Coin-Flip tends to be a metaphor for a choice in their life. When Terra is falling and the Word of Blake is having its desperate last-stand, the Blakist Chick's "Boyfriend", the guy she dragged from campaign to campaign, has a choice. The coin flips, and on one, he abandons her and escapes off world. She dies thinking hes waiting for her back at the barracks. On the reverse, he finally grows a spine and literally slaps some sense into her, and they escape off-world and flee into the former remains of the Aurigan Reach.I'm still thinking up what Morena's should be, but I don't want it to be made by someone else. It has to be her choice.
>>97366362>I seem to recall Aiden (a minor) being made to bottom by his abusive trainer(an adult) because she was jealous that he liked a girl in his sibko. What did anon mean by this?
>>97366349Ah but don't you know pinhead, going off probability it's super likely to get a long chain of just one coin flip result. I should watch hellraiser again, it was cool and gross
>>97366406Thats not it.
>>97366406...?
>>97366406
>>97366406You know I heard some studies came through to say adult zoomers and gen alpha teens are incapable of understanding the contents of books they read; routinely misunderstanding passages. I have to say I appreciate you providing me a practical example.>>97366385Speaking of reading comprehension, I don't believe I was unclear. Who is moving goalposts now?
>>97366420
>>97366368>LBX ACsWould that include Battle Armor LBXs? That'd give the Black Wolf utility I didn't expect.
>>97366421>Who is moving goalposts now?You. You literally are claiming there is no child rape while posting an example of it.
>>97366420Thats inter sibko shit. Still not it.
>>97366417>>97366418>>97366421It's called establishing an argument. The first passage establishes that during the training they were "young, mere children." The following photos, showing evidence of underage sexual encounters, take place before and later during the training so you can't just say "oh they were adults while in training."
>>97366431If it fires cluster it gets the flak bonus. I doubt the range on it will let it hit Aero though.
>>97366444I said the clanners had casual sex with their peers. You said clanner trainers rape kids. I sure don't see the fucking rape, just a nothing burger you refused to post and insisted people who don't believe you are tourists and should waste their time looking for this.
Didn't falkland hazen have a bad time in her sibko?
>>97366459Bro find a sibko that had a good time and get back to me.
>>97366433I don't generally feel like it's worthwhile educating the willfully ignorant, but I have literally nothing better to do today.You are conflating the sexual abuse by a trainer/coach with teenagers fucking in a YA/Light Novel. Hold my pearls and still my breath a bunch of young athletic men and women fucking like rabbits? What is this the Olympic village? Oh right it practically is.>>97366444Nuance it seems isn't a skill you have in much supply either, your terrifyingly dysfunctional sense of sexuality is not a surprise to me, but you should know how to evaluate past and future events in a text. Further you should be able to distinguish between consensual encounters by admittedly irresponsible parties and sexual abuse. An inability to do so reflects poorly on your ethics if not your understanding.>>97366462If you were more adept in subtext you might have realized the sibko were fucking like animals BECAUSE they were under extreme stress. Clan society is strongly dysfunctional and produces with very few exceptions either Clanners or corpses. It's what its designed to do.
>>97366430>>97366453
And how old are the individuals in a sibko may I ask? Also aren't they all grown from the same blood parents?
>>97366471>You are conflating the sexual abuse by a trainer/coach with teenagers fucking in a YA/Light Novel.I have conflated nothing. The trainer literally fucks a minor student against their will. Literal rape.
>>97365304Lawndarting is bullshit. Thresholds for lawn darting should be far, far higher.A fucking f15 survived and landed successfully with it's fucking Wing shot clean off.And thays a fucking conventional.jet from.the God damn 70's.
>>97366473>as a sexual partner, Adian was allowed to speak freely>partner
>>97366473There it is.
>>97366471Open your mouth up a bit wider, I think you can fit more of your foot in it!
>>97366490Oh yeah he is so free. No coercion at all. Nothing bad could happen if he refused. Fucking retard.
>american posting hours
Where were you when Clanfags tried to whitewash the child molesting rapey bits of the lore?
>>97366479Are you saying a sibling company are siblings? I'm shocked! SHOCKED! Well...not that shocked.Also, they are raised together from birth/decanting until graduation somewhere between 16 and 18 depending on the clan. So, they can be anywhere in that range at a given time. There's a famous scene in A Rending of Falcons where a bunch of sibbies beat a weak sibling to death playing soccer on Christmas Eve that were like 8.
>>97366490>Aidan could have refused to have sex with Joana, but he didn't want to risk his life by doing so.>Totally consensually>>97366501Australian midday.
>>97366487>A fucking f15 survived and landed successfully with it's fucking Wing shot clean off.And so will you if you succeed your piloting roll. Git gud.
>>97366471Amusingly arrogant midwit pseudointellectual post. Don't have the facts? Make them up based on what you 'feel' is right.Post mechs.
>>97366485Yes? Did you not understand me the first two times I said it? He's coerced into sex with his trainer by the societal norms of the Clans. That is by definition rape.Sex among the sibko is a separate matter entirely. I suppose you presume from your lived experience that all teenagers are sexless. While not an unusual circumstance, it is not the rule.I don't think it's healthy to be this obsessed with teenagers fucking and I don't think this is the appropriate place for discussing the matter.>>97366479The scientists make diverse pairings in hopes of producing excellent warriors; as eugenic tube babies there's not any danger of inbreeding; especially since natural babies are a shameful taboo in Clan society.
>>97366184Hot
>>97366507So they're like 12 or 13 or younger and coupling? My deep distaste for the children of kerenskey is growing deeper
>>97366527Now you are being purposefully retarded or dont know who you are replying too. My only assertion is clanners rape children. Take your other baggage elsewhere.
>>97366487That's talked about because of how notable it is, survivor bias.>>97366527It's not teenagers, it's children. They are described as children here: >>97366406Am I talking with Bryan Young?
>>97366490Are children valid sexual partners?
>>97366542Stay away from them.
>>97366479They are, but clanners don't care because their birth control is really good. They're a genuinely alien culture to most people.
>>97366542I am embarrassed that wasnt my first response actually. Minors cant consent.
>>97366541"...back in time" "Was" "In the Commander's Memory..."Shall I read the whole book to you? This kind of struggling is unseemly and I'd hate for it to cause you any awkwardness.
>>97366534Buddy, they're literal kidfucking space furries. You can't hate them enough.
>>97366556I don't think asking nicely is going to stop a clanner.
>Not paying attention to thread.>look up from tablet.
>>97366570It goes back to its tablet.
>>97366580
I really like the Chippewa.
>>97366561>You will be with me like this often, until you do fail or you die or you choose to leave your sibko
>>97366591Looks gud, carries a large bombload, has a bunch of armor. Seems aight.
>>97366570>>97366580>>97366586
>>97366591More of a Riever fan myself
>>97366570>People surprised to discover that clanners are actually despicable culturally alien freaks instead of misunderstood heroes of the SLDF with strange banners and cool mechs.I blame CGL and the ilClan era where they're trying to roll back all the ugly stuff. Clans were meant as beyond Blake-tier badguys from the beginning.
>>97366479>>97366534>>97366561>>97366594Clanners leave the creche and enter the sibko at 11 years of age and have completed their training by 16. Steel Vipers at 15.
>>97366608You don't think 15 and 16 year olds won't go at? Did they not have sex-ed under the rock you live under?
>>97366591I like how it folds into a little triscuit square in space operations.
>>97366606I've known for years that the Clanners were disgusting, despicable, disrespectful, duplicitous, dishonorable wretches. I didn't like it when I read it as a boy, I don't like it now.
There are a whole bunch of clanfags coming face to face with parts of the fluff they know nothing about because nothing you can do will make them read the source material.
Well, despite everything, at least these threads are more lively than the World of Darkness threads.
>>97366621If you're trying to invent some weird Clan Vs. IS schism, congratulations, you're decades late. That's the entire point of the Clan Invasion.
>>97366621B-but Ghost Bear means family. Family defined as fellow warriors and actual families get deported to Vega.
>>97366596It has 7 tons of armor anon
>>97366617Man you're really bad at reading comprehension, or possibly one of the more disingenuous piece of shit I've ever met. Do you think it's acceptable for an adult in a position of power and responsibility to have sex with someone who is 16 at the end of their training? What about when they're 11 at the start of training? There are references to having sexual relations with each other prior to arriving at the start of training. Prior to training. Prior to being 11 years old. Should 10 year olds be having sexual relations with each other?
>>97366635Which ones? There's like 4 and they all suck. I miss hedgefag
>>97366638The only thing I'm trying to do is get niggas to read.
>>97366646That's none of my business and it shouldn't be your business either. If you're so worried for the kids of Kerensky you should talk to the Khan about establishing a social work caste and leave the rest of us alone.
I wonder, how crazy are Ice Hellions? >>97366653I wasn't around for hedgefag I'm afraid, and honestly? All of em. I had an idea for a changeling and someone slopped it.
>>97366635Bloodlines the masquerade by Obsidian. Is it worth playing? I know basically nothing about WoD, but I heard that was a fun game.
>>97366664Play the first Bloodlines. You'll need a fanpatch to get it to work on modern systems but its easy to do. It takes the CRPG of Deus Ex and applies it to 2004 Santa Monica vampires.Do not. Ever. Play the second one. They do to Vampire the Masquerade what Thief 2014 did to the Thief series.
>>97366659Is it ok if the local highschool PE coach is diddling kids as long as they're not your kids? Or do you think it's ok for someone under the age of 16 to be coerced into sex someone in a position of power and responsibility?
>Bought a bunch of elementals for a raging horde unit>Don't want to use them now
>>97366479>>97366507>>97366527No wonder Katrina Steiner joined up with the wolves
>>97366683News Flash Crocodile Dumb-Dee: its a book. It's not real.
>>97366673Will do.
>>97366617It's not the 15 and 167 year olds that are the causing concern
>>97366695Abuse of any minor is a concern.
Can we get back on topic please, and not talk about rape, or kids being diddled? Yes, its lore, but its not something I want to see on my /tg/ thread about giant stompy robots.
>>97366659If someone is predating upon children it should be your business to stop it.
We have gone from clans dont rape to its ok if they're 15/16 to its just imaginary. How much further can the goal posts move?
>>97366701I mean fair enough, but I suspect it wont get dropped. We can try ignoring it and starting a new thread of discussion.
And the entire inner sphere was going to be under the clan way of life...
>>97366704Your honor, my client pleads "who the fuck cares, cane toads are fucking your wife, we move to dismiss all charges, cunt".
>>97366701I would also like to see the clans eradicated from existence and this thread. Too bad that CGL has chosen them as the protagonists for the next 3-9 years.
>>97366695I am concerned about the 167 year old clanners, the ultra-solahma.>>97366691>The clanners don't rape kids or have underaged sex.>Ok they have underaged sex but only older kids that are basically legal and there's no rape whatsoever>Ok they rape kids and have child sex but why are you concerned about depictions of child sexual abuse and how it reflects on the culture that perpetrates it
>>97366701That's the current topic.But if you want a new topic, I want all of the protomechs to have new designs by flying debris.
CyclopsDragonHunchbackTrebuchetShadow HawkHopliteMongooseOut of these which are the cutest? It is of vital importance
>>97366732>I am concerned about the 167 year old clanners, the ultra-solahma.Sir, we put him in the Hunchback IIC but he just keeps winning.
>>97366684Hey, I also have that on the back burner. I've assembled my Saxons already, but my pile of old ass elementals I got in a lot sale are still just in a pile.
>>97366740I would love more Protomechs. Jesus, they're allowed to be creative, so why not have something like a fucking Ogre and a giant beefy club.>>97366741Hoplite. Its a flapjack with legs.
>>97366740>Scopedog IS protomechs
>>97366740Hmm. Shallow topic. Thats gotten pretty much universal agreement. Discuss novel uses of protos, who still uses them, who could use them but dont, or how to make them LAMS. I will also accept IS proto speculation from a "how the fuck could they do it" point of view. My opinion is bring back ultralight mechs.
>>97366742Should we... give him a chance to earn a bloodname? No.
>>97366752>I will also accept IS proto speculation from a "how the fuck could they do it" point of view. My opinion is bring back ultralight mechs.I like the old TechManual mention of "Why don't we just collect malnourished orphans for pilots? They'll fit in there."
Looking at the Erinyes, is it even much taller than Elemental armor? Protomech pilots are tiny, probably half the height of an Elemental. Knowing that, doesn't that make an Erinyes only the size of bigger Battle Armor?
>>97366741>>97366746Hoplites are Urbanmechs that got squashed like goombas
>>97366762This equal parts hilarious and retarded. I for one approve of the orphan child soldier programme. I never watched but here it worked great for those Gundam things.
>>97366752There is a lot of Inner Sphere Ultralights from the old magazines I wish would get re-canonized. It wouldn't even be that hard to explain why they don't appear that often because all of the Foxfires would have been cannibalized for their engines and Stilettos would have been abandoned since they do not sufficiently honor the Dragon. I even made an stl for the old Apollo.
>>97366752I think theres a case use for protomechs for insurgencies. Jump in at a pirate point, orbital drop a team of them and dip out. They run around wreaking havoc doing hit and run tactics and destabilizing a world.
>>97366746>>97366771Picks for the 3 runner ups?
>>97366752I'm not sure what the IS would benefit from in protomech development that they couldn't do with just bigger BA or more ultra-lights. Protos make sense for the Clans from the standpoint of repurposing valuable members of another caste to the front-lines, but the war orphan machine in the IS works fine just giving them rifles and getting them stomped on.
>>97366780I really just want the Ambassador since it would make a funny objective in many ways.
>>973667891. Shadow Hawk(My pride and joy, my Mechfu).2. Mongoose(Blakist Bias)3. Hoplite(Pancake).Good thing I'm off tomorrow. Can just draw.
>>97366797If CGL had any heart, they'd make all my little guys in that magazine canon.
>>97366642That shit will never not annoy me, especially because the people that constantly spout have never read a single thing about the Ghost Bears, they just regurgitate memes.
>>97366797>Team one: Protect the Ambassador.>Team two: Escort the Ambassador to your ship by any means necessary.>After carnage on the field, the Ambassador is trapped by an Assassin.>The next scene shows the Ambassador tucked under the Assassin's hand-arm as it sprints away, the pilot inside screaming and flailing its mechs legs.
>>97366793>I'm not sure what the IS would benefit from in protomech development that they couldn't do with just bigger BA or more ultra-lights.Create body horror humans with all their limbs removed and using an interface that drives them insane. If you mean in some kind of useful way and not just more glorious dystopian nightmares than I must concede the point. At least funneling war orphans into the Ultralight training academies will go well.
>>97366812>because the people that constantly spout (anything) have never read a single thing about the (subject), they just regurgitate memes.I mean yeah. First day?
>>97366812You have to remember most of the people in this thread, or discussing battletech online, had never heard of battletech prior to 2018.
>>97366813You'd have to knock out its ankles with a Savannah Master or something, it's an 11/17/2.
>>97366827>Savannah Master has had its weapons replaced with a huge fender.
>>97366829
>>97366827Harpoon with a rope, or a mech-sized Lasso.
>>97366740Honestly if they got rid of the inherent lethality to the pilot in the fluff and made them available to most factions, that would be enough for most people.You don't even need to retcon anything, just have the 4th generation Protos be safer to use, with older generations being used by old school clans and more desperate milita/pirate forces. Like, I bet there's a few backwater planets could get volunteers in old Protomechs to defend against invasions because it's cheaper/easier to get a bunch of Protomechs instead of a couple Battlemechs.
Since we have no idea what the music of the era of Battletech is out there, is it cringe to include music from our time line as something the OCs might like, or should we be more original and say that so and so likes some band from 3000 that only had two albums before disappearing?
>>97366841My mind says bug mechs are probably cheaper and easier to produce than protos. Those things need clan tech miniaturization to even exist and the EI tech magic to drive. It works for the clans as a kind of recycling program fore human waste, though I'm not sure it isn't a material waste.
>>97366841>Protomech child soldiers small enough to fit in the cockpit>A favorite mook unit for missions involving pirates and minor warlordsIt'd be pretty fucked up but I could see it. Although I say 'child soldiers' they'd be like 15/16 because of how Neurohelmets work
>>97366872There are no neurohelmetrs in a protomech.
>>97366872Protomechs require invasive VDNI because they don't have gyros and really. *really* need the pilot's sense of balance to be on the ball and fully aware of every body part.
>>97366841You already have Exos that are at the price of an Erinyes. Something like the Sprite is already at Stinger costs.
Katana axman when?
>>97366877Cue the joke about three eight-year olds in a protomech trying to sneak into an R-rated holomovie.
>>97366883That would make it a Swordman.
>>97366878As far as I know VDNI was only those blakist pilots in captured protos. Clans use EI.
>>97366883Well we got Kuritan hatchet Grasshoppers a while ago, so probably at some point.Personally I want a Drac import model of the Grand Titan.
>>97366793The smallest protomech is already as large as you can possibly make BA.
>>97366892EI is a form of VDNI. Or maybe VDNI is a genericized form of EI. Either way, it's a direct neural interface that allows you to go full dive VR into your giant robot and causes you to become a transmechual.
>>97366890They slapped a sword and MRM racks into a hatchetman and didn't change the name
>>97366910>A Hatchetman and a Swordman meet on the field of battle.
>>97366863Most superheavy protomechs are almost exactly as expensive as SW bugs.
>>97366935What's the price difference between an ERPPC and a clan ERPPC?
I always assumed Protomechs worked the same way as XCOM's MEC troopers. The pilots were just torsos, given cybernetic arms and legs when out of the mech if they were important or the faction decided to be nice.
>>97366945They're the same price.
>>97366948That's how Blakist ones worked, clan ones just have the pilots curl up in a little ball in the middle of the mech.
>>97366948How am I supposed to hug my protomech mechwarrior gf then?
>>97366954Why hasnt everyone sold their IS ERPPC for CERPPC? Seems like a no brainer.
>>97366958She still has a body.
>>97366958If you are a blakist with the cold embrace of steel. Crom will be pleased.
>>97366954And a CERPPC is better than an ERPPC while a superheavy proto is the same price as a bug. Why is it that anyone still buys a regular ERPPC or a bug mech? Could it be, perhaps, that c-bills aren't the sole determining factor for availability?
>>97366606I actually like the Ilclan era because they give examples of the clans either changing or being those beyond ballistic villains. Look at Jade Falcon, they become total fucking monsters and promptly are made public enemy no 1 to the point where the second they lose power, many people shoot on sight. Meanwhile you have Sea Fox having to fundamentally take on an entirely new identity as the new comstar. It’s a decent way to sanitize them.
>>97366964>Crom will be pleased.I think you don't understand Crom. He doesn't give a shit.
>>97366959The devs very arbitrarily saying "they can't be mass produced" for 100 years.But if anyone ever tells you "clantech is difficult to produce", you can just point to the jumping 100 ton gaussboat that the clans purpose built for solahma guarding supply lines.
>>97366978Nuclear fire would also have been a decent way to sanitize them.
>>97366978>It’s a decent way to sanitize them.Disgusting. No one should get sanitized. All the factions are horrid in their own way.
>>97366988Blakist tears. you love to see it. Sucks to suck, clans own terra and you dont even exist. The nest you can say about blakists is "an attempt was made".
>>97365589>So what’s the in-universe fluff for the weapon ranges being so minuscule again?A single round is ten second.>>97365665>ECM's really good and makes computer-assisted acquisition of targets using means other than direct visual confirmation very difficult. Meaning unless you can literally see your target, you're relying on inherently unreliable sensors that can only give you vague alerts or directions regarding detection or enemy movement.It cannot work like that, mostly because if it was spoofing "optical sensors" IE Cameras, mechs would be blind outside of their pilots eyeballs, and those eyeballs aren't going to be safe in that instance anyways.>>97366133>Clanners have been cured of homosexual tendencies by the scientist caste.Hasn't it pretty much been explicitly stated the opposite?>>97366839>Harpoon with a ropeWhat, do you feel like you could take on the whole Empire?!
>Oh yeah, forgot to post the Blakist chick.
>>97367002>It cannot work like thatIt can and does.
>>97367012Better get your screenshots ready.
>>97367002>Hasn't it pretty much been explicitly stated the opposite?The scientist caste is tampering with geneseed, turning the warriors gay?
>>97367012>It can and does.Then Mechwarriors must have short careers being blinded so often.>>97367022>We didn't do anything!t. Scientist Caste
>>97367054>Then Mechwarriors must have short careers being blinded so often.Cockpit canopies are immune to any kind of basic laser dazzler and counter direct weapons-grade laser hits fast enough to prevent blindness.
>>97366190The only time anything sexual is brought up is phelan fucking ranna kerensky
Y'know that planet that hosts Mech Games like Solaris, whats it called again?
>>97367069>fast enough to prevent blindnessSo, instantaneously
Can't forget that on average clanner laborers make the fucking Congolese look like elves in terms of average life expectancy
>>97367096No, just fast enough to diffuse the light to levels that leave the mechwarrior with functioning eyes, he still gets non-life changing retinal burns.If it was instant he wouldn't even be effected by a laser hitting the cockpit.
Anyone got the Necrosia chart?
Studies have shown that recreational Necrogia use in no way impairs the long term cognitive functions. It is safe and provides significant improvement in precognitive delusion.
>>97366959IS tech weapons are presumably still easier to get be the industries around them are massive and ancient by this point, and there was the lull of the RoTS Era where most of the IS was heavily demilitarized.Presumably the Great Houses are updating their tech relatively quickly in the ilClan Era, considering all the ilClan Era IS mech variants that are running under a Mixtech base. The most efficient way to build effective mechs seems to be IS base frames full of Clantech tier weapons.
>>97367132>variants that are running under a Mixtech baseThat's the problem. It's been 100 years. Mixtech should not exist, Clantech should be bog standard. You then introduce new items which help to distinguish IS and Clan designs along their own sensibilities. The problem is they put this tech shift off for too long and cannot adequately explain why it is the way it is besides an appeal to the status quo. As a pseudorealistic setting this lack of any initiative to reverse engineer does not fly.
>>97367112So it's still the visual of a flashbang
>>97367153Yes, but you don't lose your vision from getting shot at by lasers in a mech.
>>97366731Easy anon, the clans are suffering plenty. Jade falcon is dead, and Wolf will certainly fuck up their star league. They definitely will not remain invincible winners by the end of the era
>>97366741>Out of these which are the cutest?Look at this cute little guy.
How do you guys feel about OG Tech, like say, a Wrist-Mounted computer/communicator derived from Blakist Tech?
>>97365589A Browning M2 .50 cal is accurate out to something like 61 hexes with just some regular ass grunt shooting it mounted on a tripod.The main gun of a current M1 Abrams could conservatively bullseye a target at 100 hexes, and in practice much further.The point is that the tabletop game is not an accurate simulation of reality. There is no "in-universe reason" for the short ranges. It is 100% a concession to the size of the minis and the maps that the same .50 cal in Battletech can't hit anything past 3 hexes, and the same tank wouldn't shoot further than 25 hexes if we're being generous.Like every other practical issue concerning giants robots, just don't think about it.
https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/
>>97367306I don't like BSP being in the core rulebook. It should be in a campaign book.
>>97365980They call it a suicide vest, but I think that really undersells the amount of homicide involved.
>>97367148There's no 'realistic' basis for the notion of convergent development in military technology if realism is even ever an intended goal. Even if an IS factory began to produce a Clan-spec ERPPC, there's no reason to assume all manufacturers are capable of meeting the challenges posed by their production. We have to recall that the Clans have had uninterrupted access to Star League technology since the Exodus. There were 266 years before the Clans came back into contact with the Inner Sphere and by Ilclan there has only been another century of presence and only roughly half of that has had any standard of free trade with IS powers (thanks to Clan Sea Fox).If we were to assume some linear scale of development, manufacturers in the Inner Sphere not using Clan equipment operated by Clan technicians to Clan standards would need to overcome roughly 200 years of divergent development and the gap in prowess, knowledge and science that entails. Should one develop to that level, both for the sake of the abstraction and the factual truth of their achievement would not be the CERPPC being the new standard, but one manufacturer singularly achieving a Clan standard.Further, if Clan Sea Fox is willing to sell you it for a reasonable price, there is not a dire incentive to reverse engineer and reproduce it at immense expense; especially since if they won't sell to you, the Inner Sphere equivalents remain functional, economical and widely available; on top of the presence of unique IS technologies that do not exist in Clanspec.
>>97367314Clantech was invented 20 years after the kerensky reached the pentagon worlds and 13 years after the clans were themselves created.
>>97367323>20 years after the kerensky reached the pentagon worlds34 years*
The only cool clanners are the Ghost Bears, who merged with the only good IS polity
>>97367343What makes Ghost Bears cool in your opinion?
Honestly I think that Smoke Jagua should remain dead like Comstar and revive the group was a mistake
>>97367323>>97367314The better point is that most clantech was invented about 20-30 years after the clantech development program started some time after 2801, with the clans producing full clantech designs as early as 2827, pretty much completely phasing out proto-clantech and IS tech by the 2030's.It basically took the clans 20 years to invent clantech and about one decade to completely standardize it. And that was inventing clantech from scratch by improving star league technology and immediately switching all their production lines in the absolutely dire state the star league in exile was in at the time, one would logically assume that any great house that can produce star league tech AND has constant access to clantech would be able to complete that process even faster, alas.
>>97367363I don't necessarily mind the FWL returning, but try to go back to business as usual is pretty lame. They might as well have take the constant Captain-General/Senate infighting to it's logical conclusion after the Jihad and just done away with the position. It would have been neat if the FWL was the one Great House to have an elected leader, even if the pool is only limited to nobility/senate members.
>>97367391I don't think we even know how the new FWL works other than that it has a captain-general and it was formed by inviting everyone who might be interested to go pummel Regulans until they all felt better. Whatever concessions they were offered must have been good though because even a lot of the independent worlds sent token forces to stub Regulan toes while the big boys actually beat them down. Then the Regulans themselves got in as a preliminary member, but we don't really know what that means other than that many Regulans are trying to earn full membership. The Senate does at least exist since it voted to go take chunks out of the Wolf Empire and the captain-general didn't directly support that effort (which was probably illegal until the vote) until after their vote.
>>97366978The Dark Age and ilClan era have given the Falcons an excuse to take off the mask they were wearing since the Invasion and just act like the monsters they always were.
>>97366542Normally I would have said no, but if other Republicans are doing it then it can't be morally wrong.
>>97367176He looks like the robot sidekick of some 1950s science fiction serial hero.
>>97367007i dig it nice work
>>97367085Which is dumb. Phelan isn't even black, so why would she bother with him?
>>97365688We have to because most of you peasants don't even own a tennis court.
>>97367596There are unwashed no-trust-fund proletariat in this very thread.The knowledge of this disturbs my otherwise serene sleep in my palatial estate. The sorrow knowing 'people' can't run a 1:600 scale campaign set in a geographically accurate tukayyid. Imagine being born poor... having to actually seek employment instead of employing others. Practically Taurian.
