Previous: >>97366760You Know What the Fuck It Is Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQLorwyn? Lorwyn Lorwyn, Lorwyn Lorwyn. >Alt TQLorwyn Lorwyn, Lorwyn?
>>97374745NGL, this set is kind of boring for me. Have fun faerie, kithkin, and goblin friends.
>>97374745Shadowmoor?
You're at the LGS and pic related happens to you, what do you do iyc?
abandon thread
>>97374795Weird spell. Whatever, I'll take it.
>>97374807A youtuber who got his start on /edhg/ turning out to be a diaperfag is the funniest thing that's happened here in years
>>97374795What drives a man to become like this...
>>97374854Isn't he californian? I'm not good with accents, but his mannerisms sound californianWould explain it
I'm trying to make ball lightning work and I think I've arrived at mardu reanimator>https://archidekt.com/decks/18871756/jerry_lee_lewisI'm still just accumulating cards so its not a finished deck, but I don't play orzhov colors enough to be familiar with good reanimation. Most of the lightnings get hit by the 3 cmc or less rean but I'm trying to not pidgeonhole myself into just that. Any suggestions
1st for Aetherdrift was actually pretty good looking back and a larger fleet of vehicles and touching multiple planes is without question more interesting than>thing you know from IP you like easily translated into magic mechanics
>>97374939I fucking hate vehicles Kaladesh was a mistake.
>>97374854This card
>>97374963>pacify instead of pacifismI get it
tribal bros.. we're eating so good with this set....
>>97374851Elk's a diaperfur? Not shocking but still funny.
>>97374989Not faeries though.In a way I’m kind of glad because I have had my Alela tribal deck a while and wouldn’t really want to gut it and have to add a bunch of new cardsTheres like 3 worth finding a space for, so I guess that’s saving me money.
>>97374939Soviet tier historical revisionism Kill yourself
>>97374939the only interesting part was the egyptian stuff, especially zombies, everything else was shit (except that singular art of akira chandra) I really like the mechanic "start your engines though", and wish it got more support in the future (however unlikely that is considering the hate for the set)
>>97374795When Hasbro collaborates with Mattel again and drops a mechanically unique Barbie Secret Lair that uses pink mana, this image will be seen as prophecy
>>97375012>WE always hated Aetherdrift that's how it's always been it was never good!!Unfortunately it being part of the "push magic's IP down so UB looks better as a comparison" stretch of dogshit sets like clue ravnica, innistrad version 5 or cowboys and indians held it back, it still had a lot of playable and fun cards, sadly made to be a no stakes forgettable set mainlining annoying characters so people would horde cash for FF
>>97374905I recommend Spark Spitter
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
are there any decent board protection spells in green that aren't 'indestructible' i find that board wipes have kinda power crept in my pod to either be Farewell (exile and also stops GY recursion) or stuff like -x/-x.I can get around it quite easily in white with stuff like Guardian of Faith, mass blink, clever concealment effects etc, but green feels kinda rough
>>97375123No. The entire point is that white has the best removal and protection in exchange for having dogshit card draw and weak ramp.
>>97374905I like Skullclamp's scrappy second cousin in aggressive and sac decks, half a skullclamp worth of card draw while not killing off your 1 toughness creatures is both a strength and weakness in comparison. Your ball lightnings can wear it without dying unlike the skullclamp >skullclamp
>>97375123Mass phase out is a white only thing. Green only gets indestructible and regeneration
>>97375106I heavily debated him but I think since the deck is a lot more focused on bringing things out to immediately hit and then die, I didn't think he'd have enough support. Spellshapers feel like the kind of thing you've gotta build around because losing a whole card to their ability is tough.Although, he could be good for pitching my guys into the bin to then reanimate them >>97375173This is perfect, thank you. Part of what got me on skullclamp was that I have to have the ball lightnings survive combat before I can use it cause of the -1, this lets me suit em up once they enter
>>97374905Recurring Ball Lightning with Dawn of the Dead is what EDH was made for. Maybe you could run Disciple of Bolas or some similar garbage to draw cards off your balls. Also, I would run Sun Titan over Bishop every time.
>>97375241Noted. Can't believe I forgot sun titan. Though I was thinking about cutting the >4 cmc boys to run more sandprinter/dash guys so I could just focus on the <3 cmc reanimation effects. Think it would be pulling in 2 different directions to start getting more stuff that just goes back to hand?Also glad you like dawn of the dead with ball lightning, this concept has had its teeth in me ever since thunderkin came out I just didin't have the know how
>>97375098I really like thunder junction tho, the cards were fun, the story had its moments, and the setting while cliche wasn't done poorly. I wish they had actual guns, but still.
>another night>another streak of golbez wins due to slipping under>always at a table where there is some other dimir or "high power" super threat dropper or pinger zinnia not willing to attack themits so fucking tiring and at this point im not sure what i can play that would be a good deck to pick other than some gruul stompy and hyperfocusing only to die after because no blockers on my end
>>97374905You probably want at least one mass reanimation effect for an alpha strike, something like Bloodline Bidding
>>97375390>play 2 cards from hand that goes infinite with commander>oh well there was nothing we could do, ggcomboplayers stay winning
>>97375408correct
>>97375408only reason im not playing combo each game is because my decks tend to skew for gy combos and people mulliganing for an hour to luckshit stone of erech or other cheap/fast hate is more annoying than getting hate for playing combo in the first place (on top of sometimes wanting a chiller where I also don't need to mulligan for a good hand)
>>97375408Combo feeds off "peoples" general aversion to interaction and I'm sick of it running the show in my pods, i can't put more interaction in my decks without them just devolving into removal/counter spell tribal but something has to be done about these shitters just running swords and calling it good
>>97375345Unironically the dumb looking fake guns was the biggest crime of the set artistically but not committing to making conflict between the plane's natives and settlers/colonists was pussy shit. >>97375123Unfortunately no, if you have a ton of open mana your best bet is using Temur sabertooth to bounce your important guys back to hand. If you're in blue you get march of swirling mist which isn't tpro but it's still nice
>Ask Grok what commander deck would he build>I'd build Urza, using artifacts and tons of ramp to build into my combos. Infinite Mana, Infinite triggers, Draw entire deck and finish with a Oracle for the Win!yikes
>>97375480the game is fucked, sorry
My pulls from my play box were average/shit. Meanwhile my friend got all the best, most expensive mythics and the goblin special guest card.I didn't even get a Special guest card. I hate my life.
>>97375480Embrace evilPlay Stax
Death to combo players>does nothing the whole game>turn 6-7>"I play this and this, its infinite, I win"KILL YOURSELF
>>97375495Guess it’s the sewer slide for you unc
>>97375486>"I asked grok">"he">surprised the information aggregate tool picked out a highly popular and consistent strategy that's often discussed on social media Maybe we ARE doomed as a species>>97375495Work harder not smarter. Buy singles, don't gamble
>>97375524>Buy singles, don't gambleEh, you say that, but I probably spent around $150 on Eldraine packs in various forms, and I pulled 2 Soul Cauldrons and a Rhystic Study, along with however many other singles that works out to, some of which would still be a few bucks each. I would never drop $120 on 3 cards, but now I have those cards and much much more
>>97375510I played against a guy last night who from the start mentioned he had no instant gotchas or instant wincons, and that he would clearly signal when a wincon was on the board.(He had a lifegain deck and several cards like "on your upkeep if this is in play and you have 40 life you win" etc, he was cool)For me, it's much funnier to win after you place a wincon on the board and go "Next upkeep, this WILL make me win. Do your worst." and trying to weather that final turn as a raidboss.
>>97375556Yeah but that’s called telegraphing and it’s objectively bad play.Might as well just announce your strategy every turn>AHEM, EVERYONE? I AM HOLDING UP 2 BLUE BECAUSE I HAVE A COUNTERSPELL IN HAND, DO YOUR WORST
>>97375556>On your upkeep, if (thing) = you winyeah its more flavorful to win this way, definitely.But as soon as you announce it, you got 3 players suddenly at your throat.
>>97375123Yes there are. I won't name them though because I find it funny the tourists have misled you.
This kills the combo player. buy 10 copies.>NO NO NO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T DO COMBO?>thanks mate, looks like i make 7 faeries too. xD
I literally said to my friend today "any bet someone accidently gets a TMNT card"wizards do this on purpose, trust me
>>97375573Of course it would be easier to win if you flash your wincon in on the endstep of the last opponent, but it's not as fun. (Unless you only care about winning or getting "gotcha" moments, in which case yeah way to go I guess)>I am holding 2 blue mana If you don't constantly telegraph this you're not mindgaming correctly, always terrorise your opponents with the fear of the unknown, especially if you're playing blue.>>97375575That's what makes it fun, you can only really do it if you feel you can survive everyone's onslaught for 1 turn rotation.Alternatively the first person goes "oh, I remove that with this exile spell" and everyone else shrugs and keeps playing the game normally.
>>97375495Unironically deserved for buying this dogshit set.
>>97375586squelchervovarbiterprobably something else combobabs use to protect the win pillowfort style
>>97375586Aggro beats combo tourist. Not middling counterspells>>97375606You sound genuinely awful to play with anon.
>>97375615youre right, i should've spent the $250 AUD building a good Moth Man deck.Ah well.My next welfare payment is next week and ill be able too.
>>97375647I meant that I remind people if they look at my board that "I have 2 mana up, but do what you want..", not that I clearly state what I have in my hand and what I intend on doing with it.
>>97375606>If you don't constantly telegraph this you're not mindgaming correctlyTelegraphing open mana is the biggest sign that you have absolutely fuck all in hand, especially in blueThe fact people still haven't caught on to this is maddening
>>97375693I exaggerated by saying "constantly", but I will remind people that I have mana open, and in about 1 of 3 cases I am actually holding something that can mess them up or prevent what they want to do. It's up to them if they want to risk it, and realise I had nothing and gain, or risk it and realise I was holding something and lose. I think it's funny either way.
>>97375547>I won once, gambling is good actually
Is this worth building or is there better sac commanders?I want to try sac, ive never played that type of archtype before.
>>97375749Gambling is good because its fun and when youre an adult with disposable income you are allowed to purchase fun poorfag ^.^
>>97375647>aggro beats combo>in edh>calling someone else a touristYou tell on yourself so bad, it must be intentional
>>97375547>I would never drop $120 on 3 cardsHoleh moleh. Seriously, I get it anon it's fun to rip packs here and there and see what you get but generally ripping packs for value is a losing game unless you're opening a giga value set. Personally I'm on the side of I'm probably not gonna buy a super expensive card like rhystic but I will use it if I crack it
how do I make sure to not get scammed by counterfeit sellers when buying a big ticket card?
>>97375921Buy from LGS.
>>97375586>this spell can't be counteredThat's nice anon >>97375766>calling someone else poor while endorsing gamblingHow much of the $300 you make a week have you lost on Klani or whatever it's called?
>>97375749Not really what I’m saying. I just mean that opening packs gives you a chance at cards you otherwise wouldn’t buy.“Buy singles” for most people isn’t that useful if they actually couldn’t afford the chase cards or can’t justify spending that kind of money on individual cards.Better to crack packs and have fun and be happy if you win big but enjoy the wealth of options you have from everything else if you don’t
>>97375937I have no idea what youre talking about anon. When you arent poor you can afford to have fun, its that simple. The only people who stress this much about leisurely spending are those without much to spend.
>>97375921>133 KBI guess it depends on what you consider big ticket. I would generally never spend four digits online on anything unless it'sfrom a household name.
>>97375945No shit?Being able to burn money on collectible cardboard isn’t the flex you think it is by the way
>>97375952>being able to burn money.... isnt a flex by the wayQuite literally is anon. Youre just poor and mad.
>>97376054Nah low IQ behavior doesnt stop being low IQ just because you can afford it>LOOK AT DEEZ CHAAAINZ NIGGA!!!!!
>>97374757Faeries got little to love too. It's thoroughly an elemental/kithkin/goblin set
>>97375945You're probably too poor and undereducated to understand this but gambling is by and large the poor man's hobby. Not only is it highly addictive, it's the most convenient way to throw away excess income for people who don't know how to reinvest or save which are the two primary reasons most people are poor btw. There's nothing wrong with the occasional lottery ticket or game of poker or trip to the race track, sure, but if you don't have the understanding and acceptance that you are more than likely throwing away your money for a thrill then you're delusional. Everyone enjoys a chance at a big win every now and again, but if you have wealth and intellect you should probably understand that gambling is almost never the "winning" move. Ripping the occasional pack to see what you get is nice, but youre gotten better off spending $30 on cards you need instead of packs full of draft chaff and bulk rares
>>97376063Do kithkin even fucking exist anywhere other than Lorwyn? They should just axe 1-plane creature types
>>97376065>gambling is by and large the poor man's hobby>anon has never heard of a hedge fund
>>97376065>all this cope because hes too poor to throw away some money on a gambleLol and untrue. Gambling is enjoyed by all rich and poor. Enjoyed more by the rich cause they can afford such leisures.>>97376060>spending money to enjoy a life of leisure is low IQ>im a high IQ stoic Aryan BTW xD
>>97376094>>spending money to enjoy a life of leisureBut youre not going on vacation or booking a fancy restaurant, youre being overcharged for cardboard. The reality is you have an addiction to collectibles and your house is probably full of funkopops, anime figurines, posters, plastic crap- and not because youre oh so rich and living a life of leisure, but because you define your own personality by the IPs and companies you support
I hope you guys listened when I mentioned this fucker was gonna spike as soon as Ashling was revealed.
>>97375098This "hasbro is tanking it's own brand" conspiracy theory is the dumbest copium in the scene right now.
Haven't built a tribal deck before. What general playstyles do the different tribes have?
>>97376116I define leisure for me anon :) not some resentment filled poorfag like you lmao look at your posts. You are an embarrassment.>your housePost your bookshelf anon and ill post mine and we can compare and see who has a more "cerebral" life or whatever the fuck youre larping as
>>97375480Interaction is currently in a losing race.
>>97376132Why would it not?Every in-universe set is a block of valuable design and printing time that could be spent by Hasbro gambling on finding another billion dollar IPOnce you understand that corporations are literally run by gambling addicts, the world will make more sense to you anon. They don’t want the sure-thing, they don’t want to cultivate, they would trade absolutely anything for another crank of the slot machine
>>97376139>shit out tokens, swingThat’s it anon, sorry to tell you
>>97375039Start your Engines is terrible because it's a slow as fuck mechanic in a set about racing.4 of YOUR turns to get some okay effects? It's unusable in commander, too.
>>97376088>high risk investments (which are often scams) are the same as playing slots or buying lottery ticketsHoly poorfag>>97376094>Gambling is enjoyed by all rich and poorThe concept of the black suit high roller and executive games of the world's wealthiest throwing away 6 figures on poker is a myth concocted by the gambling industry and Hollywood. Again, not saying most people don't enjoy a little gamba but I am saying if you think burning your excess income gambling is a sign of leisure and wealth, especially with cardboard, youre probably poor and retarded>>97376116This. Real leisure is travel, experience, and comfort.
>>97376140Knock yourself out, you can go first
>>97376158All of them? Really? Is there any mechanical distinction, or are they all just the same general playstyle reskinned a dozen times.
>>97375586This won't work on combo players, since most combos are 2 card infinite combos with the commander. Combo is for faggots anyway.
>>97376172I mean you’ll get the play style of the colors you choose, but you’re looking at a way to play the game that’s entirely based around creatures. That’s how it goes.
>>97376139Dinos are big and StompyGoblins shit out tokens like >>97376158 saysHumans seem to run alot of anthem effectsDogs and Cats usually run protections and Lifegain iirc
>>97376169All those words and now this. Safe to say im right. Whenever you wanna put your money where your mouth is you post it ^.^>>97376168>the concept of blah blah blah>but im saying if you are spending your leisure money.... youre probably poor >high risk investments arent gambles>high riskDo you people even read what you write? Just absurd nonsense cause youre too poor to gamble without stressing.
>>97374905I made it work, but you really want Jeska, Thrice Reborn in the command zone. My setup was her + Reyhan. Green has some of the best ball lightnings believe it or not. You also get greater good effects, berserk, etc.
>>97375241>Sun Titan>With Ball Lightning
>>97376204>Whenever you wanna put your money where your mouth is you post itI just agreed that I would, but that you can go first. What’s stopping you?
>>97376065>You're probably too poor and undereducated to understand this but gambling is by and large the poor man's hobbyAs someone who worked at a casino, you will see the guy coming in and buying in for 10k more often than you will see the person coming in and buying in for 500 or less. Addiction, or hobby, it doesn't matter, the people who can afford it do it more.
>>97376150Anon, let's apply Occam's razor here and ask what's more likely: that Hasbro is demanding that a company they purchased for well into the 9 figure range to sabotage their flagship product so they can put tmnt and fallout on the cards; or that wotc's writers and artists are and have been incompetent hacks? On top of that how would sabotaging the UW sets and their sales build confidence in outside IP holders that signing up for a UB set is a good investment?>>97376159SYE probably my favorite "tracker card" mechanic in terms of function but yeah the flavor kinda sucks. You CAN get speed on other people's turns by dealing damage to opponents however so theoretically you can do it faster than the normal 3 turns
>>97376240>Hasbro is demanding that a company they purchased for well into the 9 figure range to sabotage their flagship product so they can put tmnt and fallout on the cards; or that wotc's writers and artists are and have been incompetent hacks? Anon it’s literally the fucking first one. FF made a billion dollars in TWO DAYS. Of course Hasbro wants more fucking UB. Are you stupid?
>>97375607>>97375766>>97375945>Toski gets posted>Immediately "poorfag" shit starts
>>97376204>^.^Friendly reminder that squirrelfag is over 30.
Design his card
>>97375764Korvold is better obviously, but that's not a surprise considering how pushed he isI'm also interested in building Ziatora, she seems coolmaybe a bit slow, but idk
>>97376240>to sabotage their flagship productThey're not "sabotaging" their product, they're shifting demographic focus with it.
I'm loving how my latest deck seems to consistently make the game 2ish hours long. Drawn-out games are my favorites in commander.
>>97376258How does purposefully sabotaging the UW sets accomplish this tho? How does overall lower magic sells and lower consumer confidence in the quality of the product entice outside collaborators? It makes no sense if you think about it for more than two seconds. We just had crapcom of all companies get pissed and demand a redo over an incredibly bland and poorly made secret lair and that's the kinda thing other companies are gonna be paying attention to
>>97374875Im originally from Southern California and ive heard we have accents, how exactly can you tell?
>>97374905I remember Saskia Ball Lightning being a deck people built ages ago because Paleoloth pulled some weight in it and you could use Groundbreaker.
>>97375123
>>97376300is 2 hours considered "mid ranged" in commander? That's also where I seem to end up too.
>>97376222>what's stopping youI have a life and nothing to prove. Youre the one trying to larp as something.>>97376265>>97376286I am not squirrelfag but yes I am just over 30.
>>97375937Mystery Booster 2 can go fuck itself for just using the futureshifted frames willy-nilly.
>>97376127I've never even heard of the card until now.
>>97376374Cause it was only in the desert bloom precon im fairly certain. 4 mana craterhoof aint bad but I think it'll be a flash in the pan and quickly go back down.
>>973762882, Tap: Suplex target Zealot.
>>97375603What was it in? Pre release box?
>>97376302>sabotaging the UW setsYou mean the in universe sets?>How does overall lower magic sells and lower consumer confidence in the quality of the product Anon. You might want to sit down, but no one gives a fuck about quality. I wish we lived in a world where well-informed consumers wouldn’t tolerate low standards, but we don’t. Especially in the world of collectibles where the “value” is already completely detached from the product itself.>We just had crapcom of all companies get pissed and demand a redo over an incredibly bland and poorly made secret lair and that's the kinda thing other companies are gonna be paying attention toDon’t know what your source is on it actually being CapCom that demanded the do-over rather than it being a strategic decision based on consumer reaction, but it doesn’t really change anything in any case.One misstep won’t negate all the successes. If anything the blame will be placed at WotCs feet and not the company that licensed their IP.I already told you, corporations are run by gambling addicts, all of them.You will not find a corporation that goes>ewwww WotC made a lazy product this one time? Hmmm I think I’ll pass on the opportunity to make a shit load of money just by licensing my IP.They just think>oh sweet a market we haven’t tapped into before! Let’s roll them dice babyyyyyy!
>>97376343>I have a life and nothing to prove. Youre the one trying to larp as somethingYou said let’s both post something, and I said yes.Now you won’t do it and say you have nothing to prove.You chickened out
>>97376389>Don’t know what your source is on it actually being CapCom that demanded the do-over rather than it being a strategic decision based on consumer reactionOkay what's your source on the corporate conspiracy to sabotage the UW sets and how that would somehow drive up demand for UB sets?
>>973763812, tap and destroy target zombies
>>97374795Have memes gone too far
>>97376393>poorfag has a literal breakdown because he cant defend his larpLove to see it. Anytime you want to defend your position im happy to shut it down anon :)
>>97376342I consider 1 hour to be a normal length
>>97376435This. If I regularly had 2 hour games id snap. Quit the game. If it was a irl friend making them that long id probably have some words with him too. Every once in a while is fine, every game? No youre just wasting everyone's time with boring slogfests
>>97376444rofl adhd retard detected
>>97376413> what's your source on the corporate conspiracy to sabotage the UW sets and how that would somehow drive up demand for UB sets?Contextual evidence.You made a claim that CapCom demanded something. That’s something you need evidence for because there are other reasons rhe set could be pulled that don’t involve one company demanding it of the other.The evidence for WotC sabotaging in-universe sets is plentiful.>A UB set outsold every set ever>Lorwyn got knocked out of its own release window to make space for another UB set>WotC only started marketing Lorwyn properly three weeks before release>before that point we had literally seen more spoilers from TMNT and Marvel individually than all of Lorwyn>other than Spider-Man (which was not even going to be a full set initially) UB sets seem to have much higher power levels than in universe setsThere, that’s a bunch of evidence. What evidence do you have anon?
>>97376426Why wouldn’t you post your bookshelf like you said you would anon? :)
>>97376288{2}{W}{B}Legendary Creature — Human Agent VigilanceProtection from Zombies and MutantsWhenever Leon attacks, exile target Zombie or Mutant an opponent controls
>>97376471I don’t even like UB but holy shit what a bad effect.It needs something that gives opponents zombies and mutants. Either by changing creature types or generating goaded tokens or something
>>97376478No it needs to directly counter Mothman
>>97376343>I am not squirrelfagNo. The threads always turn to shit after you ritualfag with Toski, in the same handful of ways.P.S. Richfags don't care enough about the Magic IP to "invest" in cardstock.
>>97376449I promise you no one in your pod likes you forcing every game to be 2 hours. It is simply not fun.
>>97376513I can tell you're a UB tourist because EDH games just used to be 2 hours as a norm.
>>97376513>I LOVE Commander but I HATE playing it!!!!!You would bitch if a game was “too short”There is no perfect length there is only your own personal preference, stop assuming it’s the same for everyone
>>97376458I never said i would. I said if you would like to we could. And you wouldnt like to. I have nothing to prove, gambling is fun, and judging by the fact im giving my dog a 2 hour walk in the middle of a work day I can clearly afford it ^.^ so feel free to defend your larp, or admit you are too poor to afford a gamble now and then.>>97376510>poor person says what rich people do>somehow he is still poorI mean i dont care about investing in MTG, it has nothing to do with the conversation BUT if you can make money in it, some rich people will be investing in it. To assert otherwise is asinine
>>97376513eh, I like short games but at the same time long games are much better imo. With short games you get people upset that they couldn't get anything going.
>>97376513>play fast mana into a thoracle consult win turn 1Heh, let's shuffle and go again. The faster we end the game the more games we can play! More games = betterRetarded faggot
>>97376302There is no point arguing with him. Hes mentally ill and a conspiracy theory Andy
>>97376524Been playing since 2012. Even back then 2 hours was an anomaly>>97376525Yes everyone is different but most people still don't want 2 hour slogfests.>>97376542Who said this?>retarded faggotAre you dropping your titles im confused
>>97376535Richfags are cracking Pokemon, retard. You don't get triple-digit cards outside of collector boosters in Magic anymore.You're stupid, poor, and coping.P.S. Do you still live in Michigan?
>>97376453>Contextual evidenceSo nothing but your own preconceived biases and schizoid ramblings, cool cool. Spiderman got bumped up because the aftermath-style mini sets flopped, including the generally good value Assassins Creed set, and for one reason to another (probably contractual pressure from marvel) they bumped it up to a standard set and it became one of the worst sets of the year purely propped up by soul stone hype and a handful of good reprints and value rares. The super early tmnt and marvel spoilers were probably contractual obligations they had to meet that would've made more sense if the timeline didn't get pushed back by spiderman. FF really wasn't that pushed overall outside of vivi, and avatar had a ton of super strong keywords a pushed card for already strong izzet brews. When you look at influence on meta, card over card, Edge Bloomburrow and Duskmourne are the most overall biggest swings on standard rn
If a game isn't over on turn 7 I usually become suicidal and just start ramming my board into everyone else even if it's a bad trade, just to hurry things up. If there's a board wipe on turn 6 or something and everyone's rebuilding from scratch with no clear advantage, I'll just concede.I also only build aggro and tempo decks so I kinda deserve it but fuck man.
>>97376535>I never said i would. I said if you would like to we couldKek>>97376140You said right here you would post it>inb4 “o-o-only 8f you post yours first!!!!”Why would that matter anon? I said let’s do it. Post it and I’ll post mine. I told you I’m willing, I don’t get why youre so reluctant all of a sudden
>>97376552>Even back then 2 hours was an anomalyThe format was started by people playing 7-mana 7/7s and back in 2012/2013 Roon was considered strong because of the value his flicker gave.You're full of shit.
>>97376560>if a game isn't over on turn 7 I ruin itok
>>97376536>With short games you get people upset that they couldn't get anything going.I also just don’t subscribe to the idea that the first 4 turns of a game are somehow the best ones and the ones everyone should want to see more of
>>97376449No one wants 2 hour games.And it's usually 1 player'a fault for being slow as fuck.
>>97376558>Contextual evidence>So nothing>two men go into a room together>there is a gunshot>1 man comes out>the other is dead from a gunshot wound>WELP GUESS WE CANT PROSECUTE! IF ONLY THE KILLER HAD LEFT A SIGNED CONFESSION.I accept your concession anon. Don’t reply to me again
Put your favorite deck in this and let people judge if you're a fag or nothttps://www.commandersalt.com
>>97376552>Been playing since 2012. Even back then 2 hours was an anomalyYou have no idea what you're talking about.
>>97376453>>A UB set outsold every set everPerformance with the audience is not evidence of sabotage within the company. Time Spiral block was probably one of the highest-effort designs they’d ever done at the time and it flopped.>>Lorwyn got knocked out of its own release window to make space for another UB setYeah, that’s evidence of corporate priorities. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.>>WotC only started marketing Lorwyn properly three weeks before release>>before that point we had literally seen more spoilers from TMNT and Marvel individually than all of LorwynThis one’s weird because they did the same thing with Bloomburrow and Duskmourn, both of which were Magic universe originals. Frankly, I think that this one is more a consequence of their deranged decision to switch to six releases a year than anything to do with what those releases are. They clearly haven’t made any moves to adjust their marketing schedules to accommodate that change.>>other than Spider-Man (which was not even going to be a full set initially) UB sets seem to have much higher power levels than in universe setsI’m unconvinced of this one being true. The top played cards in Standard seem to be an even split between UB and Magic.So, we know that they’ve shuffled things around for UB. They’re clearly straining their resources and their historical frameworks to capitalize on the licensing opportunities, and the game is definitely suffering as a result of that. But, while diverting resources and shortening design timelines does hurt Magic sets, I’m not sure there’s a great deal to support the idea that they’re doing so disproportionately. Everything is worse, but it doesn’t really seem like UB sets are actually being pushed to overtake real Magic.
>>97376553>poor person continues to pretend to know what rich people doI love this episode.>>97376561>you can do X and I will>teeheee okay im waiting>ignoring that I have nothing to prove, only he doesIts very clear you dont even own a bookshelf anon. Its okay I know when youre poor books seem very expensive.>>97376586>>97376566Its painfully obvious neither of you played back then. 2 hour games have never been the norm. I doubt either of you are even over the age of 21
>>97376552I've been playing probably around 2015 but me and my pod usually have games longer than an hour unless we're using our best decks
>>97376606>Its painfully obvious neither of you played back then. 2 hour games have never been the norm. I doubt either of you are even over the age of 21I used to run Momir Vig control and Memnarch steal-your-shit. When Scars block rolled around I threw together Jor Kadeen Myr tribal. Wincons were worse, answers more abundant, and games were way way slower.Again: you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>97376606>>poor person continues to pretend to know what rich people do>I love this episode.Meant for >>97376535Seriously, when's the last time a <$5 Magic booster could yield a $100+ card? Last I can think of was Neon Dynasty.
>>97376585
>people complaining about whether or not a single bookshelf is postedWait, do you people not have dedicated libraries in your houses?
>>97376606Do I need to post your dox to get you to fuck off?
>>97376614Yeah sweet spot for me is 60-90 minutes i feel. Over that and I start watching the clock.>>97376627>larpy larp larpPost the DOB on your ID anon :)>>97376633>poor person still seething because he (a poor person) definitely knows what rich people do>yet he remains poor>>97376641Do it, post my "dox" ill post my ID after and we can watch you crumble in real time when your dogshit internet detective skills are put on display for everyone to laugh at.
>>97374851How was he revealed to be a diaperfag?
>>97376638Those faggots are currently shitting up the thread hard. Here- whos going to Pre release and what do you hope to pull?
>>97376663delete this
>>97376649
>>97376663I don't understand this meme
>>97376661Why would I go to pre release this is one of the worst sets in YEARS anon YEARS
>>97376682Why do you feel that way anon?
>>97376661Im going and I hope to pull this
>Lorwyn makes the UBpiggies seethe so much that they have to tell people not to buy itThat's how you know it's good
do you think this guy can work?all the creatures you play are so expensive so I dont get how you get them out before the game ends lol
>>97376583The gulf of difference between your example of actual contextual/circumstantial evidence vs the "evidence" you provided is absolutely staggering
>>97376694Same
>>97376659> interaction> C
>>97376701>the "evidence" you provided is absolutely staggeringI'm glad you agree. The evidence that WotC wants in-universe sets to fail is overwhelming, and I know that anon knows it is
>97376648https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/pxl22288un988n44449luThis faggot's info.Oldfriends know.
>>97376695what if I like both?>>97376682Nah
>>97376705>>97376694I have screenshots of those faggots who said Bitterblossom is only $25 because it used to be good and that Bitterbloom will crash in value
>>97376695Wow curious that the most outspoken ub hater is not buying lorwyn while many ub players are buying lorwyn because ub players actually play the game
>>97376692Man I was so excited for it so thats probably part of it. Hype something up for yourself and its hard to live up to the hype. BUT I dont think it just didnt live up to the hype, in my mind it feel so short its offensive to call it Lorwyn. Lorwyn was inspired by European folklore. And nulorwyn, outside of the memberberries tribal cards, design carries none of this. Its like a dream of lorwyn with no understanding of the intent behind it. Not a big fan of the general art design, some of the treatments and arts are definitely good but by and large im unhappy with the atmosphere presented. And strixhaven, the fuck. Enjoy your draft if you go though.
>>97374948Kaladesh was awesome but renaming it for woke reasons was gay and retarded
>>97376661I don’t go to prereleases, but I ordered a bundle, a booster box, and a collector box that shipped today. Via Canada Post, tabarnak.
>>97376716Not clicking a malware link, QRD?
>>97376731What was the original name?>>97376716Squirrelcuck REKT
>>97376694It's already preselling for less than $20 you absolute clown.
>>97376727Why would I buy bad product?>sloppers slopWow shocking
>>97376745>What was the original name?Kaladesh. Forgot what they changed it to.
>>97376730Thats fair anon, I see where your comming from. Thanks for the well wishes on my draft tonight
>>97376716Post a screenshot anon. Then ill post my ID and we can see how right you are!!!
>>97376752Are you from the Berenstein universe or was there something I missed?
>>97376722It will be under $12 within 2 months. >>97376747
>>97376747If they pull it tonight they wont have to buy it later, right? All black aristocrat deck want it
>>97376767Dude you're a middle aged man. Stop acting like a child.
>>97376769Kaladesh was renamed to Avishkar because a diversity consultant decided Kaladesh is racist because it kind of sounds like a hindi word for black people
>>97376747I don't care I need it for Burakos
>>97376710>cutting the quote half way to get a pseudo-victory psychologicallyI'll need your formal concession mailed by end of day
>>97375392I was looking at that given how committed I am to elementals>>97376205Noted, I did think green would have power based payoffs, though I really don't like running planeswalkers, and I think I'm set on building mardu cause I really like how simple Neriv's ability is and I've never built this color wedge>>97376220What's better? Genuinely asking, I don't play WB reanimator at all>>97376327Damn all the naya >5 power triggers would be great
>>97376777$40 presale buy in, if they don't pull it they will have to spend even more. Might as well just spare the suffering and time and buy it presale at $20.
>>97376778Post a screenshot of my "dox" anon i am waiting.
>>97376780Holy fuck those cucks are so stupid.
>>97376789You have to pay 40? 30 here, plus minimum of 2 prize packs even if your last place.
>>97376808Hes probably Canadian. Main reason I stopped drafting was cause every LGS near me pumped the price up to 40 minimum
>>97376786Sun Titan reanimates on entry and attack, but since you're only getting the Ball Lightning for the rest of the turn, you'll never attack with it unless you have extra combat steps (which is just win-more if you're bullying that consistently with a Sun Titan). There are other cards like Patch Up and Recommission that can actually get you your Ball Lightning back for cheap early enough to swing.
>>97376830*You'll never attack with it except from Sun Titan entering, I mean.
>>97376786>>97376220Fuck I'm genuinely retarded. Attack trigger rean would just bring them out to die. Could be useful for triggering the etb stuff though but kinda nonbo
>>97376830Thanks for the suggestions. I do worry about if I do them with spell based recursion rather than it being repeatable like on a creature if I'll run out of gas before I kill my opponent. Then again that could be fun, racing my own resources to throw ball lightnings before I die
>>97376808>>97376828$40 at my LA county LGS. Every other LGS it's $50.
>>97376585You do like Lands Matter decks right anon?
>>97376808>plus minimum of 2 prize packs even if your last place.For ATLA I paid $50 and I got outside of top 8 which meant I only got a Gran Gran promo. I got top 3 for Tarkir and EoE and got a fat stack of 12 packs for those finishes but I built a shit rakdos aggro deck for ATLA and got curbstomped by everyone running earth bending.I was excited for Lorwyn but the set is boring. All I really want is shocklands and Hexing Shusher, probably gonna skip this one.
>>97376767He cute
>>97376585https://archidekt.com/decks/10395798/boros_ass_2>According to this site, this deck is actually a bracket 2Wut
>>97376857Something else is that since you're not expecting to keep that large of a boardstate, you can run shit like Bone Ward or Balance to take advantage of that, and your board wipes can include shit like Single Combat.
>>97374795I turn 360 and walk away
>>97376950> 35 landsYa thats like bracket 2.5
Hes almost ready bros. Im kraven some wins. My playgroup already hates me for being the removal enjoyer, now they can hate me even more
>>97376982Do a thing draw a card!
>>97376990Sometimes you don't even have to do a thing, you just get cards for doing nothing
>>97376424How so?
How do I play mono white without card advantage in the command zone?
>>97377071Literally just every monowhite and mono[anything] staple???>smothering tithe>esper sentinel>trouble in pairs>archaeomancer's map>throne of eldraineetc etc etc etc etc
>>97377071play humans
>>97377071Not sure the issue anon. White has tons of good card draw
>>97377071>Sword of X and Y + Steelshaper's Gift>Aura recursion>Mentor of the Meek style "whenever you do X, [you may pay {y}. If you do,] draw a card." effectsNot hard
>>97376950Hard pill to swallow, huh tokenslopfag?
>>97376700Sure? Just hit your land drops with draw and "small bean" any hate away from you. It's the party game format afterall.Pack draw power/cycling, surveil, and cards that grant flash to flash him in. Flashing him in prevents someone from fucking up your topdeck and effectively hastes him to enable his combat trigger.Drawing over hand size is effectively selfmill to set him up too.
Is it even conceptually possible to design an interesting card with WUBRG identity (that actually makes use of it rather than just being an interesting card with a WUBRG ability that does nothing).
>>97377071Depends on what you're running ig. Flicker decks have plenty of etb creatures that draw and there's the tax and group hug draw cards
