Is Warhammer 40,000 actually a misandrist/female supremacist setting? I'm just thinking about how every apparent accomplishment of the setting's major male players was actually done by a woman behind them e.g. the Emperor and Erda, Vect and Lady Malys, Angron and Lotara Sarrin, the High Lords of Terra and Morven Vahl, etc. etc.
Would you fuck off with the bait threads already? Your desperate attention seeking is really pathetic.
>>97395346Well you've actually touched on an interesting point of discussion even if you probably didn't mean to. Erda is actually a name taken from the mother of the norns in norse mythology, specifically Wagner's ring. The norns create fate so even though Odin is an all-powerful god he's ultimately beholden to whatever they decide. So there's often this dichotomy in fantasy and sci-fi where men take an active role while females manage things from the background that seems to be derived from those mythological archetypes. Another good example are the horned god and triple goddess from Wicca.
>>97395346>Is Warhammer 40,000 actually a misandrist/female supremacist setting? Is real history?
>>97395346>Is Warhammer 40,000 actually a misandrist/female supremacist setting?No/thread
>>97395346For the love of the Emprah: KYS.
>>97395890This is a weird post. It doesn’t read like AI but you got some details wrong I don’t think a human would have.
>>97396257Maybe. We don’t know the Bene Gesserit aren’t real.
>>97395346It's a misanthropist setting.
>>9739631840k is the universe where Bene Gesserit stayed in control because the Emperor failed to ascend into a worm
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>>9739534640K is a "men are stupid, thoughtless brutes" setting. It always has been, but in recent years the writers have become more influenced by the rise in feminist thought and orthodoxy in society at large. This subtly twists the feel of the setting. It is one thing when a man admits to himself that he has flaws, it's another thing when a woman is nagging him about them.
>>97395346It´s a xenophobic setting with weird technophile undertones. :p
>>97396304Sorry. What did I get wrong?
>>97396508Der Ring des Nibelungen is no more Norse mythology than Christopher Nolan's Odyssey will be Greek mythology. Erda is one of the norns in actual Norse mythology, Wagner instead conflates her with a separate cthonic earth goddess. I guess the norns pop up at the start of Gotterdammerung but they really aren't a significant part of the opera, Erda is much more importantly the mother of Brunnhilde the Valkyrie as far as Wagner goes. Wotan is not bound by fate in Nibelung, he is bound by the laws and contracts he has agreed with all of creation which are also the source of his power. The norns merely read destiny in their weaving, they don't create it, and in fact once they see the death of all the gods they immediately lose their foresight and disappear.So like you got Erda is taken from Der Ring des Nibelungen correct, and I guess she is the mother of the norns there? When I look at their single performance they just say "down to mother" when they leave, but who else would that be within the context of the opera?But the norns do not create fate, Odin (or Wotan, if we're using Ring-analogues of the gods and goddesses) is not all-powerful and he is not beholden to them but to himself. If anything Wotan manipulates Erda in Nibelungen: when he finds out she has a power of foresight he seeks her out and seduces her for her knowledge, then has a daughter by her he intends to use to loophole out of his own obligations by having two of his mortal children create an incest baby who can act as a free agent.
Also if we're talking about the Ring cycle on /tg/ I have to say it's such a fucking joke Tolkien pretends he wasn't inspired by it.
>>97395346WH40k is a mindless mishmash of pop-culture references made by hundreds of different people with nearly zero attention to consistency.It is not any one thing. It's just a buncha cool shit squished together.
>>97396809Yeah that's my mistake. I thought initially Erda was a norn from what I remembered about wagner and Norse mythology but Google told me she was their mother.
>>97396815>it's such a fucking joke Tolkien pretends he wasn't inspired by it.Only if you know absolutely nothing about Wagner, the "ring cycle" Tolkien and his scholarship. He was influenced by the things that influenced the nibelungenlied that influenced the ring opera. But bad opera? Not so much.
>>97396996No, this is the exact line retards take. The tarnhelm is a gigantic glaring obvious hole in the idea Tolkien was somehow not directly inspired by Der Ring des Nibelungen.
>>97395346>Erda>Lady Malys>Lotara Sarrin>Morven VahlLiterally who?
>>97395890The other anon dealt with the Wagnerian topics, so I'll just point out that Indo-European gods typically aren't considered all-powerful. Whether the Norns (or Moirae or Fates etc) create fate or simply manage it is debatable, but they're essentially teleological deities like the winds, and seem to receive little to no cultic activity. Odin (and all other gods) being subject to fate is simply part of a broader view that everyone has a destiny, even the gods. What sets Odin apart from the rest is of the Æsir is that he is aware of his fate and can travel around the cosmos to investigate it.
>>97395890And Wicca is an honest to god new-age cult invented post-feminism and not indicative of any deeper mythological substrate.
