Do these kinds of warning really deter their target audience?
>>97408453Given how much of a hissy fit people on here threw over the "you will not be missed" thing, I guess so.
Why wouldn't it? If the first thing someone does in their RPG book is virtue signal I know they've made nothing of worth and I can put it down without missing anything.
>>97408453Worked on me. I read this line and recognized that as a normal dude I can tell this game creator is too far gone to write a good game. It's the brightly colored hair thing all over again. It's actually a blessing they don't hide their intentions as it allows me to make informed decisions at a glance.
Stuff like this plus trigger cards exist for spergs unable to talk to people. 99% of the time simply talking with people works.
>>97408494This.>>97408453What system, what book, what pg number?
>>97408453I'm playing a fascist in Werewolf 5 right now so no.
>>97408453It's the equivalent of putting an overweight vitiligo obeaste in a videogame: by virtue signaling you've announced your game sucks and is forced to rely on performative culture war gimmicks to make sales. I'd think the same about a blurb that said something along the lines of WARNING: THIS GAME AIN'T FOR WOKE SNOWFLAKE SISSIES but you don't exactly see that much since it'd gey your game whisper networked to death like myfarog
>>97408453>Do these kinds of warning really deter their target audience?I think they do but not in the way they think they do.They deter me because they give me the impression that if I try to play games that have such warnings that I’ll be dealing with those that have a hair trigger of being triggered if I do much as exist in a way that can interpreted as problematic. So the safest option is to not play or carefully vet the players.Also I think it is a little sad that these kinds of warnings show just how rent free bigots and phobes are in the minds of game writers.
>>97408453Since woke freakazoids are too busy constantly thinking about performative gay race communism shit instead of learning to be competent at game design, or actually refining their taste with real art and literature, any time you see something like this you immediately know the whole product is worthless dogshit and you can safely put it down and save your money.
I have nigger and women fatigue.
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>>97408453deter the audience that they want to sell their game to? I’d say in most cases yes. I read this and I immediately know the writer has a crippling case of guilty conscience for making something considered heretical or verging on heretical for progressive types. This mental hangup with be an overarching burden on the quality of the writing and the quality of the game.
>>97408581This.
They cause a huge amount of seething and saltiness.
>>97408453I'm neither a phobe or a bigot, but I have no patience for this kind of performative bullshit or purity testing.
>>97408580You mad bro.
>>97408494fpbp and also /thread because most other replies ITT are /pol/acks throwing hissy fits
>>97408658Im still waiting to hear what game its from.
>>97408636>>97408650>>97408658>u mad brosays the triple reply 1 min apart
>>97408453>of any kind (except the ones we agree with)FTFT
>>97408453Well, are you talking about how much you hate and will never play them on 4chan?Seems like it's working exactly as intended, anon.
>>97408650I'm mad that retarded evil child molesting leftoids exist who are ruining every part of my country, culture, heritage, gaming spaces, flooding us with immigrants, etc? Making everything ugly, being constantly annoying and faggy both on the internet and in real life, making my life more expensive, being disruptive faggots everywhere all the time? Yeah, no shit dude, wow very observant of you. Can't imagine how anyone could get mad about that.
>>97408453probably made for Lawyers or Courts stuff?
>you will not be missed>ok, byehaha another nazi owned! did you see how he was soooo mad? a-anyone seen the epic pwn I just did here? destruction 100 amirite? that was like suuuuch an epic win xomradesEDIT: thank you for the gold kind stranger!
>>97408453I can only speak for myself: if a game has the mandatory label with the proformative olivia hill rule alike "le fascist/nazis not welcome" i just directly discard it because most likely not worth to invest time in. 9/10 is just an unfinished concept slapped on some halfassed pbta/fitd/5e engine or, at best, the new edition of an already established game with new content hamfisted on the old one.So, in short, yes it unintentionally works because it's self filtering in separating the chaff (mentally ill larpers, the ones that will engage with that label as something that exist in good faith) from the weat, genuine hobbyists (like me) that can single out that fake antagonistic front at glance.
>>97408703being a nazi isnt illegal unless you live in eur*pe
>>97408453No. Because the target audience was never going to buy it in the first place unless it had a stylish aesthetic so it can sit on a table or bookshelf to not be played like Mork Borg.People who actually play TTRPGs are not the intended audience.
>>97408703Don't be fucking ridiculous, anon.
>>97408453Now I'm imagining Nick Fuenty, Ye, Candace Owens, and Empathchan sitting down to play some PBTA slop and seeing the "No phobes" message and dejectedly going home.
>>97408756>xhe actually thinks about these lolcows unpromptedHoly fuck, that's the saddest thing I've read all day
>>97408756>Respect sex workersWhy should I respect the whores that constantly groomed me as a child on twitter? We need a new Jack the Ripper.
>>97408756Kek, these queermos will be this intentionally obnoxious and abrasive and then wonder why fascism is on the rise all over the western world.We're really gonna see Hitler 2.0 in the next 5 years I think.
>>97408703I legitimately hope that is the case.>>97408733I get similar feelings too.At worst these kinds of games are for the kind of someone that gets easily offended at anything really. Let the product distract those validates of bad stereotypes from what the rest of the lgs regulars are enjoying.
>>97408773erm... they have NO OTHER OPTIONS, chud
>>97408453In my experience it's the same when a frog has very bright colors or a woman has a nose ring and colored hair.It means you shouldn't come close because it will suck if you do, people that virtue signal are basically doing you a favor by broadcasting you shouldn't invest time or money on them especially if it's your hobby time and money.
>>97408780Literal rapist mindset.
>>97408453It feels like the people who make these warnings think far more about the people they're trying to deter than vice versa, considering that chuds can still buy these games and make them as transphobic as they want to in private
>>97408773These people justify their getting treats in any way they can. The myth of the empowered stripper paying for medical school is just that. Chances are the money is going to her abusive druggie boyfriend. Same with hookers, they'd rather not face the reality of trafficking. Read the NYT article about PornHub sometime. There's some surface levels liberal and leftist ideals but they're ultimately deeply selfish lazy people. EG if you say anything about Doordash exploiting its workers on Bluesky you'll get a bunch of these freaks saying that disabled people will starve without the app.
>>97408870Remember when they legalized sex work in Germany, and women were being hired by brothels and they had to accept or they were going to lose their unemployment benefits?
>>97408870>you'll get a bunch of these freaks saying that disabled people will starve without the app.Those are members of a paid harassment squad, anon.
>>97408550How long until you fall to the Wyrm
>>97408894No. Tell me more about it.
>>97408870>EG if you say anything about Doordash exploiting its workers on Bluesky you'll get a bunch of these freaks saying that disabled people will starve without the app.Both of this things can be true at the same time
>>97408773>whores that constantly groomed me as a child on twitterWhat were you doing in twitter as a kid? Did your parent knew you were talking to strangers? Is the same with gambling apps, shit needs to be look into but people also hate regulation.
>>97408978It was the hip new thing and I was a teenager, would you rather I was shitposting on 4chan?
It doesn't deter me, but it can be off-putting when written with such hostility or obvious virtue signaling. I'm technically "liberal" and "queer". But I don't really give a fuck. At worst it can be incredibly obnoxious when it's obvious rage-baiting or virtue signaling, as in the OP's example. But that won't stop me from trying a game, because the Author's opinions don't matter to me.I was reading a preamble for a new TTRPG last night, and this was at the end of it. Pretty tame, and not at all off-putting. Just stating expectations, and this was the only mention of it at all. Didn't really need to be stated, but it was in the 'expectations' section of the preamble, so it wasn't out of place.>Furthermore, if you have an issue with equal representation, this book is not for you. Its illustrations and writing features queer and diverse characters.
>>97409029That still reeks of "Advertising minority presence", which is as bad as tokenism if not worse
>>97409005Not really all that different
>>97408894It's really gross to commodify basic human interactions, sexuality, reproduction, etc. I'm pretty leftist but I'd have a huge crackdown on all this shit if I were in charge.
>>97409052Fair, also it happened on places like Gaia Online and MSN, camwhores were a problem back then as well so it wasn't purely a social media issue.
>>97409058Hard when prostitution is one of the oldest things in the world. For a long time men have been willing to pay for sex, and as they say, the product only appears when there's a demand for it. And no, having a partner doesn't really stop this, because married men buy prostitutes as well, sometimes just because they can.
>>97409058>I'm pretty leftist but I'd have a huge crackdownYeah I know.
>>97409068Wanna know another profession that's just as old? Slave trader.
>>97409087Capitalism doesn't mesh well with slavery since you need people to earn money so they can spend it. Now, you now with what Capitalism do mesh well with?
>>97409111Slavery. Just because your workers are paid doesn't mean they're not owned.
>>97408453>Do these kinds of warning really deter their target audience?Well, no, because that's not the intent; their intent is actually to show the "modern audience" (their target audience) just what "good guys" they are. On places like Reddit you can often see threads where they circlejerk about this kind of nonsense, both in /tg/ related games and video games subreddits.
>>97409087Nah, not really. Slave trading requires, at least, the idea of personal property, an actual market system, usually a secondary population to be enslaved. Trading food for sex is way older than that, you fucking retard. Farmers are an older profession than Slave traders and those took (comparitively) forever to exist before prostitution.
>>97409120>"Working a job is just like slavery you guys!"Midwit take
>>9740913350 years ago today is not the same as 50 years ago 5000 years ago.
>>97409037Normally I'd agree. But this wasn't placed in such a way as to even be noticed unless you were actively reading the entire preamble. You wouldn't even notice it at all if you were skimming. But I do agree with you, I've seen the blatant advertising plenty of times.
>>97409152In terms of tech advances, no. In terms of social changes, you'd be surprised.
>>97409134If you are in europe it literally is. You work so you can survive and keep your shit together so you can work some more. Ideally until you die since the social system can't take any more pensioners.
>>97409207You think slavery is just the working a lot part, while ignoring all the other things. That's naive at best.
>>97409058But commodifying human essentials like food, shelter and health you're fine with?
>>97408517Spbp.>>97408636It genuinely doesn't. For the overwhelminngly vast majority, it is either simply ignored or the game is just passed on altogether.>>97408641This makes you a bigoted istphobe to these.. I struggle to call them "people".
>>97408946Never.
>>97409241Pro-tip, every fascist woof does it eventually. Enjoy dancing the spiral.
>>97409244The very first sentence for my Tribe (Shadow Lords) is "Might makes right". I'll be fine.
>>97408453I've been deterred in the past. I think now it bothers me less because it's more common and the proponents of such things are significantly less sane than I initially thought.
>>97408453Every single time one of these disclaimers gets posted it makes a bunch of nazis cry and seethe and piss themselves, so, yeah, I'd say it works.
>>97409058Why are you posting the face of a woman when a couple is being charged?
>>97409251Did they never told you the story of the Nightmaster ? You're taking that path. >Tribe (Shadow Lords) is "Might makes right". I'll be fine.Try reading the tribe book once lol.
>>97408756I really hate how intersex and trans get lumped together, they couldn't be farther apart.
>>97408453It's like... classic punk shit, to tell bigots to fuck off from your creative work. Most often, if you see an RPG book with this in it, the themes are already incompatible with the outlooks of the people that they're referring to, and they are making that clear up front.>>97408538Even I think these are kind of weird though. Like, I think the intent behind them as a concept is good, but that it's just something you can solve easily with other means of communication. A lot of games nowadays are moving to "have the chat about this before you start, so everyone knows what lines not to cross with each other." Introducing the usefulness of mentioning that some things might bother someone was perhaps a useful step forward in the space, but the cards are sort of an awkward means that is worse than just using your words.
>>97408453You know that's a pretty biggoted attitue there mister. Anyway, *ahem* fuck Niggers and members of the inferior indian castes(all of them)
>>97409226I didn't even imply that there is a lot of work involved. Hell there were slaves in history that were both far richer, worked far less and were better educated than the modern wagie. With probably better health plans too. No, a slave is a person whose whole worth and purpose is his work and the value that work produces for his owner.
>>97409306There's this little detail about slavery you're forgetting >a person who is legally owned by someone else and has no personal freedom>someone captured, sold, or born into chattel slaveryAre you legally property?
>>97409111Buddy, have you seen the private prison system under capitalism? The labor is actually just slavery.
>>97408713more like >you will not be missed>ok, bye>actually I'm going to continue obsessing over this product and posting about it on social media every time the company that owns it does something instead of moving on
>>97409270Your presumption that I must be a noob to WoD because I'm playing a 5th edition line is amusing.The Lords of the Summit were always the dominant camp of the tribe btw
>>97409321Only because it uses taxpayer money to remain profitable>https://legaljournal.princeton.edu/the-economic-impact-of-prison-labor-for-incarcerated-individuals-and-taxpayers/And yes, we should end it as well.
>>97409256Us laughing at how stupid this shit is and then not buying the game and it financially failing is not the own you seem to think it is, lolAlso funny how it's more and more acceptable and supported to be a Nazi every passing day lately, have you noticed? Even the girls are starting to shift, that's how you know shit is over for you, the preference cascade is really kicking off
>>97409340No, I just assume you take your information from wikis and forums over actual books. Those guys need to hide their Wyrm taint because, hey, they're so fucking corrupt.
>>97409334I've done this but eventually even the most entrenched player will find a way to break free
>>97409270I see the Red Talons are still sulking about in denial.>Gnawer Chads represent
>>97408453>Immediately steal it, take what I fancy from it and discardCommunists don't believe in private property, so why would I respect their intellectual property?
>>97409334that's breakups for you.
>>97409400Doesn't your tribe have a hillbilly cannibalism camp to chase away? Go eat a baby or something hobo.
>>97409379>rumorsbro thinks little screencaps he made ten minutes ago can undo decades of the Shadow Lords being written as fash-coded as the Get. Tell me how their Kinfolk compounds are totally kosher next.
>>97409415I can tell you're allergic to reading.
>>97409320>a person who is legally owned by someone else and has no personal freedomConsidering that the only way for one to function in civilized society is to act like one the fact that the law doesn't clearly state it is just semantics. If you act like a slave and live like a slave then you are slave. Even if no one really holds your ownership rights. >someone captured, sold, or born into chattel slaveryChattel Slavery isn't the only form of slavery. You can be a debt slave for example. Now those are really unfortunate souls nowadays. I mean in ye olden times you still could have a roof over your head as debt slave. Now you are in constant threat of ending up both homeless AND in debt.
>>97409292None of the anons you replied to but i think it's completely fair to vocally dislike these labels/warnings because they signal something odious if genuine, as in being so ideologically possessed to be unable to use nuance and subtlety in conveying your own beliefs through your art (literally the equivalent of a person explaining a joke in advance before even telling the joke) and the hubris and naivety in trying to supersede the death of the author. Conversely, if disingenuously put there, only exist as an obligation to avoid frivolous litigations, which makes even more weird seeing people engaging with it genuinely, it's like experiencing an uncanny valley.
>>97409444>only exist as an obligation to avoid frivolous litigationsBy who, there hasn't been a single example of someone getting litigated over this.What the fuck would you even say in court?>But m'lud, the defendant didn't make it clear that *Spits on floor* ZE NAOUTZEES can't play this game>...how does that concern you exactly?>Well I'm upset about it>...>...So you'll be liquidating them right? Maybe some jail time?>Get the fuck out of here before I have you beaten
>>97409437You seem woefully unaware of how actual slavery works. I bet you think ll those slave revolts trough history were just because they wanted an union or something lolFor example, if you row a bot you're going to eat, shit and piss in that place for the rest of your life because it's safer to keep you chained until you died that letting you move, but hey, a roof!
>>97408870The reality of human trafficking is that it doesn't occur for the sexual purposes nearly as much as legbeards or christfags would have you think. Most prostitutes are doing their jobs willingly.>>97408894That was a hypothetical situation that someone proposed, not something that actually happened.
>>97409470They have embraced revisionist history. They are impervious to logic, facts or reason.
>>97409415Golgol and the Margrave being two of the best leaders of the Nation is actually pretty funny when you think about le lefty punk sentiment of WoD
>>97409412>Eats campers.>"YOU ARE DA REAL CANNIBALS"Why are Talons like this?
>>97409468I meant litigation in a broader sense, not specifically going to court. Putting the warning fulfill the purpose of a stated intent a priori to avoid nonkosher associations of your own work with any third part engagement. E.g.: a persona non grata makes a successful game supplement, he gets canceled for being a 'ist and your game gets dragged in the mud by association, so you state your alliance to "the good guys" a priori just in case.
>>97409500>"ignore our cannibals hillbillies pls"Human flesh is tainted by the Wyrm and the Weaver so no respectable Talon would eat it.
>>97409470>You seem woefully unaware of how actual slavery works. Not really no. You just can't imagine the slave as anything other than a stripped down emaciated man covered in lash scars doing menial labour. In reality slaves filled a grand variety of roles. From servants and cooks to guards,soldiers and officers, doctors or ship captains. Some of them lived lives of relative luxury. That didn't make them any less of a slave.Really. Feel free to research that stuff. It won't take you long. It isn't some kind of fringe theory. Slavery was far more diverse compared to what you mutts had in the Americas. I mean even there you had your house slaves, no?
>>97409470Time to save you both a lot of timeYou two don't define slavery the same way. He's talking about slavery in its broadest context, you're talking about it in its narrowest.You will never agree or acknowledge each others points because you can't meet him on his ground by admitting that anything apart from the Niggerwhipper 9000 exists and he won't meet you on your ground by discussing that specific aspect of it and is worth talking about (Though not as much as people like you insist on to the exemption of nuance).Neither of you will pay attention to this post and will continue regardless
>>97409544In all of those case slavery is still legally defined as making yourself property. If you want to use such a broad definition that you end up calling even serfdom slavery, then you need to accept that your take is a legal one, so unless you're not legally defined as property you're not a slave.
>>97409580Yeah I a gonna listen to this >>97409557 guy and stop right here. Have a nice rest of your day.
>>97408538Thing is, you never know what is going to set people off. Some people are so mired in their terminally online communities that they invent their own trigger words or begin to assume everything is some kind of deep symbolism for hatred or bigotry of some kind, without understanding the rest of humanity does not see things that way. It's exhausting to the point where the only thing one can do to not trigger anything is to not speak at all. And some people are genuinely like that. They are scared to say much of anything because they are terrified some random word of their might be taken as super secret bigotry of some kind that they are not aware of. I once knew someone who always thought Werewolves were some kind of nazi symbolism, and anytime they appeared in media it was 100% due to the writer/director being an out and proud nazi peddling propaganda. This included things like Wolfwalkers. I knew a girl that took LOTR to be some full-on white supremacy essay. And not any kind of entertainment, she never saw it. But was simply told and believed that it was only viewed by white supremacists for some Hell Yeah viewings. Met someone who thought the term Tractor was a slur.For a while around 2018-2019 people thought country names were also slurs, one cold not say Japanese person or Saudi Arabian around certain overly sensitive people. Because their online communities just fucked them up.
>>97409468Yes
>>97409692Here's the trick: you can find an example for everything, the best and the worst thing you can imagine, I promise you someone out there is like that. The moment you need to stop and think is when you only use those examples to make decisions about people you don't know
>>97408453>This game is not for PHOBESDang, I'll just take me and my acrophobia elsewhere.
>>97409557>he won't meet you on your ground by discussing that specific aspect of it and is worth talking about (Though not as much as people like you insist on to the exemption of nuance).To wit, I have seen more than one credible arguments that the entire nature of the capitalist system of the 'work week' was based on how the transatlantic slave trade operated in the west, while not wholly ignoring prevailing laws about serfdom the way it was in the Americas.
>>97408453I really don't get why people care who plays their game. You're not responsible for their beliefs.
