is there a bigger downgrade than this?why did wizards totally bone the card frames?
>>97439124If you look at the early cards they actually have a much thicker border due to a black line around the inner art/frame. That was thinned and fixed but also the side borders were trimmed away to make more space for the text box to be larger. You'll notice the card type bar is lower now, too, meaning that more space was afforded to the art. Overall it's an improvement on all fields other than style. More art, more text, less pointless filler.
>more readable>more space for art>this is somehow bad because it's newer
>>97439444>>97439469This could have been solved by simple resizing of card components. Instead, the entire aesthetic of the cards was completely changed, resulting in a rounder, brighter, less fantastic look. Is it a coincidence that this happened at around the same time that the game as a whole began to move away from its deliberately old-school roots? Or does the change in aesthetic represent a conscious decision by the designers to fundamentally change who MtG tries to appeal to?
>>97439511>rounder>bad
The old blue border was kino.
The font and colors are both more readable, there is more space for art, the colors generally look much better and it looks like an actual professional product instead of some shit I threw together with Paint in five minutes. Find other shit to complain about, OP.That said, the Future Sight frame is much better overall desu
>>97439511MtG oldfags complain about changing such obvious design mistakes as white text on beige background just because they started playing before the change was made.If they had actual principles to base their opinions on, they'd praise godawful cards like pic rel and say how "it's soulful and has artistic value and how you should git gud or bring a loupe if you have problem reading it", but since it's new, they shit on it.(I can't delete the old post where I forgot to attach an image, fuck it, let the jannies clean it up.)
>>97439124I only really like the black version of the old card frames.>>97440311This one has nice 2000s vibes too it
>>97440311I really like how it lets you see the mana costs when you fan the cards.
>>97439469>it's le more readableAh yes. Modern MtG is known for it's great readability. Nothing like sitting across from your opponent who drops a card with 4 different effects and also a flip side. I can instantly read that the second it hits the table because the readability is so good. Readability is so important. Readability. Nobody ever has to pick up another persons cards to read them, because the readability is so good. Mmmm readability.
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>>97440627I bet you had that card image already saved, just incase you need to reach into your bag of cherry-picking when people call you out on being a disingenuous retard.I wonder if the amount of words on a card has gone up, down, or stayed about the same over time? What do you think? Do you think I could I could possibly find the answer to that question?
>>97440498The principle I base my opinions on is that I liked how the cards looked before the change. I didn't ask them to change the cards and I resent that they did so.
OP didn’t talked about one of the most key points on old-frame cards: they are simply better pieces of cardboard. Thicker, better printing, they used to have a pleasant, very unique smell when opened, whereas new cards today smell like poisonous chemicals.The nostalgia is real but there are some qualities besides design on old cards that are way superior to what we have today. Fuck Belgium and that one printing factory they have that print like all the TCGs we have today.
>>97440637You've either never played old Magic, or you're a massive hypocrite.
>>97440587>Modern MtG is known for it's great readabilityYes. It's easily the most readable trading card game out there. Maybe tied with Pokémon. he frame fits the words well, there's no unpleasant contrast nor do the words look faded, the stock is good. This is what readability means in this context, and it is absolutely and unquestionably improved with the new card frames.
>>97440637>>97440714Another fun one is Oubliette. When they reprinted it for pauperfags in 2022 they said>This card can just do something else to make resolving it simpler.
>>97440498oldfag here, played in 96, Saruman of many colors is a terrific card, I want it and I love the style of it.
>>97440649Well you're just retarded then and have awful taste. These cards looked like dog fucking shit, like one of these card games cut from cardboard and painted with marker that kids make.
>>97440719who fucking cares about how readable a card is?players still fuck up, and the dumber they are, the more they fuck up. making cards less readable forces dumb people out of the game, thereby eliminating most of the mistakes people doI rather fucking see the art. I dislike not being able to tell cards apart because their art is so alike. And the modern frames makes it so much harder to focus on the art to see what card it is. I dislike having to check if a card is white or an artifact, I dislike having to check out the lands to see which ones are basics and which ones aren't
>>97440769>who fucking cares about how readable a card is?Me, because I want my frames to look good.>players still fuck up, and the dumber they are, the more they fuck up. making cards less readable forces dumb people out of the game, thereby eliminating most of the mistakes people do"i should make the game shittier to play because it'll get other people away from me" is a hilarious thing to say. and i think you should just kill yourself>I dislike having to check if a card is white or an artifactWell, you're retarded, because you can look at the color of the card. Artifacts that this obviously recognizable metal frame around them. How are you saying the game should be harder to discern to repel other people when you're having difficulty detecting the color gray, you fucking retard?>I dislike having to check out the lands to see which ones are basics and which ones aren'tBasic lands have this enormous fucking mana symbol in the middle of them. Are you just brain damaged?
>>97439124wizards is run by a bunch of incompetent tranny lovers. they are incapable to making good decisions. look at the slew of design mistakes theyve shat out set after set. cori steel,okouroall of the mh setshalf the avatar cardsif they cant design the cards right, no way you can expect a bunch of postmodern faggots to get the aesthetics right WOTC is run by a bunch of low iq faggots who should all be fired.
>>97440863damn, every two years or so they release one (1) bad card, that's a pretty good track record.
>>97439124I'm fine with old and modern border but despise the New border from 2014 (rightmost in your image). Hiking up the black border on the bottom makes it look so much worse than the clean rectangles of the other two, and for what? Accomodate a debatably useful stamp for rares? Draw your eyes to artist, collector number, ™ @ © Wizards of the Coast [[insert current year]], the least important information on the card?
>>97440740Then I commend you on having an actual preference of aesthetics and not just nostalgia-driven knee-jerk reaction.
>>97440587Your whining doesn't change the facts that1. readability is important2. readability was improved with the 8ED and M15 framesCould it be done better? Sure. Was the change still an improvement? Undoubtedly.
>>97439124Middle looks best desu
>>97440637Weapons grade butthurt lmfaoI play pretty much exclusively '93/'94 and Premodern and even I can admit that newer cards with newer text templating are, in fact, more readable than the old stuff. Cope.
> more space for "art"> the art: blurry screencaps, mulatto we wuzzers casting spells n shit, and AI generated backgrounds following the Hasbro TM approved style guide
>>97441675you not liking the art does not change the fact that there is, in fact, more space for art in the frames
>>97440569you can see the costs when you fan the cards on normal cards too though
>>97440311I'm still miffed they didn't do a "future sight but M15" frame for Timespiral Remastered.I mean take the future sight frame and give thinner black borders, put the artist's name and copyright information on a black background in white font, new Beleren font all over... Stuff like that.
>>97440871They had to ban 10 cards in the last year just from Standard lmao
>>97440755I didn't ask you or anyone else to like it and I don't care if you hate it. You're not important.
>>97439469>rounder, brighter, less fantastic lookAs someone who knows nothing about MTG the middle one looks the best. It's vibrant, the lighter colors with darker fonts make it easier to read, and the art itself is more interesting.
>>97440876>the least important information on the card?*most importantMagic cards are an investment, and there needs to be an easy way to prove their legitimacy.
>>97439124royalties
>>97443125yeah after not doing any bans for like half a decade
>>97439124I like the red bolt more
>>97440871you stupid faggot, they had to ban almost a dozen cards just last year. its not "1 bad card a year" retard. its several, every set. many more not yet played because theyre pushed out be even more offensive bullshit.
basically im thinking that the concept of readability is complete nonsense! if you are a person with eyes you can read the card. im not sure what else there is to it... just pick the card up and read it... im not sure if im missing something or... idk... ive, never once in my life, had even slight trouble reading any magic card ever regardless of frame. i feel similarly about there being more room for art since the difference is so inconsequential. ive not ever noticed the difference. im thinking that people need to feel like there is a reason why they prefer what they do, and that what they prefer is objectively better than any other option. why is it bad to like one or the other? it seems most conversation on the topic ends up with people explaining why opinions other than theirs suck instead of explaining why they like what they do. it is not a competition! we are all like minded people who like to play the same game! there is no need to fight about the border on the card... just be nice...>>97443858magic card is actually a fun game to be played with friends!
>>97439124what's the problem?
>>97439511what? all of the corners are still 90d angles. where are you seeing roundness?
>>97445905>i don't have the problem therefore the problem doesn't exist and any changes to solve problems for anyone other than me are bad!got it
>>97446941Yes, retard.
>>97445905You write like a parody of a 50-year-old.
>>97440311>>97439124For me, my favorite frames were Planar Chaos shifted ones. They had a nice rich color to them, with a nice pattern in the background. The white font was kino. It was a perfect mix of future and retro without being too busy.
Niggas will say they like the modern frames because of the readability and then slap a card down that looks like this
>>97447345If you play with a card like this, I just ignore it. Simple as.
Old things are better than new things.
>>97439124Of all of the objectively bad things about MTG to complain about, why the card frame?>>97439469Whenever this topic comes up, I think of Yugioh's objectively shit card frame and no one with actual talent fixes it. Yugioh Rush Duel is objectively better in that regard.>>97440311Too Duel Masters like but the general idea is good.
>>97447345>How much 70s LSD esthetic doy you want?>Yes!>>97447487New is always better.
>>97446892gradual loss of sovl
>>97450335>Gradual loss of [meaningless buzzword]Say what you mean instead of using buzzwords that have no meaning at all.>>97447487Then you should stop using the internet. After all, it's a relatively new invention in terms of humanity's existence.
>>97450385But anon without those meaningless buzzwords his thought process is just>new thing badHow could he justifiably rage then?
>>97439124>is there a bigger downgrade than this?
>>97453161Shit like this is the reason why I consider DBS as an uglier TCG than Yugioh.>that is an image of a MTG cardI know but this screenshot shit is the norm for DBS.
>>97453161For all the flak MaRo gets he's been right about this. WotC released the ARC system in the 90s (basically Portal fourth age but only universes beyond). It fails after two expansions and I kid you not MaRo says one of the reasons was they had only stills of the series they were importing for art and those looked bad because they had to zoom in way too much... No shit, Sherlock.He also says because both series didn't have a huge cast they couldn't fill the sets with only the regulars. Which is why they ended up with "random guy that betrays the heroes in that one episode". Which sounds an awful lot like the whole "Spiderman tanked because corporate wanted us to blow up the set last minute and we basically picked characters at random to fill it."
>>97447333this
>>97447333I liked the look of these cards. I wish they actually used the frames. Maybe we're just not far enough into the future.
>>97440498>Bitching about an alt art>Being such a midwit you can't even appreciate what the artist is paying homage to.Faggot
>>97439124The thing i miss most from old magic is the goofy soulfulness of 90s and 00s artists. The dogshit unreadable frame deserved to get redone
>>97457345You're functionally illiterate.
