Zone Mortalis edition>Previous Heresy: >>97425973>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:What's your favourite unit in your chosen army?
Are the new iron warrior upgrade sprues usable for 30k marines
>>97444703Can't say for sure, but since 40k hasn't adopted tiny-heads as far as I know, the helmets might actually be half decent?
>>97444691>TQWhile it's easy to say Dark Furies, I also really like Tartaros.
>>97444703They look so to me. Warsmith on the other hand needs to drop a servo-flamer at the very least.
>>97444691I'll say it, the Phraetus. I love having big dick possessed terminators and the opportunity to convert the ssturnine to have a mix of daemonic and monastic elements
>>97444785Can there be regular-dicked possessed terminators? I really thought that's what Anointed were going to be before Saturnine
>>97444703the shoulder pads might look a bit out of place but everything else seems fine imo
>>97444703In practical terms yes, however the shoulder pad design is different to the 30k shoulder pad designs so will look mismatched unless you also get a blank CSM shoulder pad for the other side.
Convert shit or fuck off
>>97444703The shoulder pads are iffy, they have that clear nu-CSM 40k design with the missing corners that doesn't show up on any 30k models. The rest seems fine.
>>97445071Narik Dreygur's model has them iirc but that's about it
>>97444703Absolutely not and you reveal you faggot secondary status just by asking
>a couple of trolls get banned>Femstodes posting stops immediately>quality of thread improves drasticallyInteresting.
>>97445159How do you know they were banned?
>>97444703Absolutely yes and anyone who disagrees reveals their faggot secondary status.
>>97445159Least schizo post on 4chan right here
>>97444691>TQtough to say, definitively pyroclasts for sallies (if only they were allowed chainswords though)for BA i'd say the crimson paladins, sword and board rocks
>>97445181> t. Proud 40kiddie player
>>97444703Everything is usable but instead of buying a few overpriced bits you should be converting things on your own out of plasticard and used deoderant sticks.
Now that it's been a few months, do you abide Saturnine Terminators or Dreadnoughts? I feel like they were a hit and a miss, and an unnecessary addition to the game. The box could have included something that the majority would actually enjoy, and given that nearly every LGS in my county had a half off sale during November it's pretty telling. Not saying it was a complete failure, but the grand majority of fans really wanted those MKII's.
>>97445209They are really ugly designs that look silly and I think less of anyone who paid money for them.
>>97445118>No>>97445181>YesThe duality of man or something
>>97445209They're fine. People who have wanted saturnine since forever can finally get it, people who didn't want it can continue playing without them. Not every unit has to be liked by everyone. Plenty of people who never take assault marines either, would that mean GW should have never made jump pack marine models in your opinion?
>>97445235You seem awfully argumentative, fren
>>97445209i think the implementation of saturnine in lore was botched, you have these super duper rare armors who only work on midly psychic marines. putting them in the basic box was not a good idea with the current lore. same with the turret : the box is much less of a good value than 2ed.saturnine itself in game is kinda cool, and the miniature is a hit or miss but personally i like the ball joints
>>97445209My opinion hasn't changed. The Tartaros siege squad proves that heavy weapon terminators were as easy as a rule change, and they butchered the concept of saturnine so badly that it doesn't do that well either. (Again, there's plenty of images showing how marines could fit into the other terminator suits, even at a slight stretch. Saturnine just sorta demands quadruple amputation.)Both the termies and dreads push the scale way too far, and they're just fuck ugly. Mostly, I feel bad who liked actual saturnine armour, because now they'll never get it.>>97445235>Plenty of people who never take assault marines either, would that mean GW should have never made jump pack marine models in your opinion?There's a difference between "This doesn't fit my army" and "This doesn't fit the setting." I don't tend to go very tank heavy, but I have no objections to predators, sicarans, or Fellblades. I would object to a scorpion from Halo, for obvious reasons. Not all kinds of dislike are the same.
>>97445235People who wanted them wanted alternative models for terminators, not 30k Centurions suits.
>>97445244I just don't like this modern mindset people have that everything has to be liked by everyone otherwise it's bad and needs to change or be removed.
>>97445209Bought them before I got into pronting. Always liked the few pieces of saturnine terminator art we'd get (official or not). My only grievance is that it looks bizarrely slim, very similar to the new cata's. Like its got a small waist, yet birthing hips. If It had been more like pic related it would've been perfect.>unnecessary addition to the gameBad mentality anon, you can never have too much bloat. The dream is to have a 100 different flavor of seemingly nicher equipment.
>>97445268>they butchered the concept of saturnine so badly that it doesn't do that well either.How so? They're still big guys and carry big guns. Some carry double big blades. Though I did expect a carapace gun and solid ammunition, not gonna lie. And I like double claws better than silly-sized hammers and axes
>>97445272If you think saturnine look anything like centurions you need to get your eyes checked.
>>97445285I think he's saying he expected a thick terminator, not something that looks entirely in a bigger scale like an exo suit
>>97445275Does your dislike account for the innate exclusivity that most IP carries? Because a lot of people fail to account for that.>>97445277>They're still big guys and carry big guns.So are the dudes from gears of war. I prefer my ideas to be a bit more specific.For one, they're not terminators. They're too big and too mis-proportioned to be terminators. The reason loads of people assume they're mini-dreadnoughts is because that's about the only way they can work. They swapped out the more heavy industrial look of the old depictions for more curves and knee fins, because that's the design language that's subsuming everything. We got chest eagles back, we got crappy fists that are just too small.You scale up the current saturnine terminators maybe 50%, that's a believable dreadnought, but it's not a believable marine at any scale.
>>97445294Personally I like that it's an exosuit, like the plasma reactor maintenance exosuits that terminator armour originated from.
>>97445272I'm loathe to give centurions anything, but at least it's believable that a marine can fit in there.
>>97445209I don't like the terminators, they're ugly, unnecessary, and out of place, but the kit is great and fun to assemble.The dreadnought is fantastic. Looks cool, fun to assemble, it's still unnecessary but it's good enough to accept. Both kits are neat conversion canvases especially now that we have command squads and centurions.
>>97445209I'm not a particular fan of the models (or at least the bizarre decision to put an eagle on the chest by default) and I really dislike the pseudo-obliterator/centurion role they have. The double guns look is retarded
>>97445071Lorgar has them, the Loyalist Overseer, Corswain (tho Corswains are harder to see), Ahrian has cutouts but not those specific onesit's unusual but not unseen, I'm sure other stuff has had it, I didn't even remember Narik Dreygur had it
>>97445209I like them and maintain GW was doing everything in their power to sabotage them because the actual models are cool as in hell once they got into real modeller's hands.
>>97445333That's true for everything though.
Can kind of see why GW went the way they did with saturnine terminators.We already have tough as nails terminators with cataphractii.We already have rounded silhouette terminators with tartaros.We already have an in between those two terminators with indomitus. Having an heavy energy weapons platform that puts the dreadnought in tactical dreadnought armour does actually add something new, rather than a fourth minor variation of terminator that we absolutely do not need.
>>97445333The eavy metal studio style is an active detriment to most models, it makes everything look like cheap toys.
>>97445415I don't agree. I feel like saturnine were jusy scraping the barrel to make something new for an exhausted range so they reached for something that wasn't much better than a joke of a reference. The energy weapons could have been an upgrade sprue for regular terminators whose refresh could have gone in the box.They're as random as the quad battery.
>>97445319Bro got that Taunought wew
>>97445433The saturnine design isn't new, they're literally one of the oldest OG terminator designs. The new models are nostalgia bait, just like HH is in its entirety.
>>97445285>lookNo, "is".
are Reaver and Warbringer guns interchangable in LIMP/Titanicus? As in the models themselves
>>97445464Yes.
>>97445464Effectivley. The warbringer has different mounts for the cables and the arms are different but you can swap the guns without much trouble.
>>97445433>I feel like saturnine were jusy scraping the barrel to make something new for an exhausted rangeMakes you wonder where this game is going once they've converted all of the old resin kits to plastic which should be mostly done by the end of this edition. This is the Space Marine game they're not going to stop releasing new Space Marine kits.Also before someone says the scouring, what exactly does that actually add in terms of kits beyond just MKVII tactical and assault squads?
>>97445607Rhino doors and knight heads.
>>97445607Once you add redoing all the 40k vehicles it'd take you up to the 8 years maximum before another range refresh, where 40k marines go to be on 40mm bases ND be true 32mm scale while 30k marines get rescaled to primaries size with normal sized heads but greatly oversized hands and feet, so they resell all the armor marks and upgrade kits again
>>97445607I imagine we'll see a lot of new vehicles and dreadnought patterns that were there all along but just off-camera.
>>97445607Things they are misding>Apothacary upgrade kit>Tech marine upgrade kit>Officer upgrade kit>Mkii Jump officer>Mkiii Centurion and Praetor>Mkvi Centurion, Praetor and jump officer>MkV Centurion, Praetor and jump officer>Mkvi Centurion, and jump officer>Tartarus Praetor and Centurion>Cattaphractii Praetor and Centurion>Terminator Consol Upgrade kit>Generic cosmetic upgrades>Legion cosmetic upgrades>Dreadnaught cosmetic upgrades
It's amusing that nobody's even entertaining the idea of legion uniques. Look how much we've lost.
>>97445607>what exactly does that actually add in terms of kits beyond just MKVII tactical and assault squads?You mean aside from having an excuse to remake all marine kits prior to 8th edition and selling them again?There's also a shit ton of units in HH that are not in plastic. At the rate they are going they won't be done this editionOr ever
>>97445607In the TANKS! roadmap livestream they said they wanted to start making legion specific units in plastic, that's like 36 marine kits right there
>>97445762Either give me Cataphractii Deathshroud or leave Grave Wardens as they are
>>97445729the new wave of unique legion gear was so unbelievably mid I can't blame them
>4,800 days of waiting for resin World Eaters praetors with no end in sight
>>97445788>the monkey's paw curls
>>97445607million different consuls.
>>97445607>plastic which should be mostly done by the end of this editionHah, never gonna happen. The list of units that still don't have plastic models is much longer than the ones that do, and with GW's current pace it's gonna take over a decade to get through all of them. I know /hhg/ retards genuinely think the only units that exist are terminators, land raiders, dreadnoughts, and spartans, but come on. At least look at the legions unit entries list before making such an ignorant statement.
>>97445804Bro fuck transports. You need an officer to unlock the garage for Land Raiders and Rhinos that don't actually need to be deployed with people in them? It's ridiculous.I miss dedicated transports being dedicated.
>>97445971Its just the saber, bikes, recons, Speeders and sicaran turrets at this point
>>97445975Besides all the units non-marine factions still need, you forgot>storm eagle>fire raptor>xiphon>dreadclaw>kharybdis>dreadnought drop pod>nullificators>all of the consuls>most of the lords of war units>all of the legion specific units>all of the legacies units>a ton of units which existed in 1.0 which got cut and never returned>models for a proper Imperial Army factionand I still probably forgot a bunch of stuff. You seriously don't have the faintest idea how many units still lack plastic models.
>>97446012Those are just side grade things, not proper units
>>97446032Now you're just trolling.
>>97445791The armouries were, sure. But while some legions had near full rosters (DA, WS, NL, BA), others were really scraping by. And what's worse is all the armour's getting redesigned, so even if they do get crumbs in the future, they won't even fit.
>>97446046I don't think I've seen a jet used before, same with lords of war, drop pods can just be scrap built, nobody buys the consuls models, people just kit bash them, same with legion units, Nullifactors are pretty niche.
>>97445975>>97446012You both forgot the Arquitor
>>97445975Seeker Squads, Destroyer Squads, Apothecaries, Termites, Dreadnought Pod, Dreadclaws, Kharybdis, Recon Squads, Sabre, Outrider, Xiphon, Storm Eagle, Fire Raptor, Javelins, Speeders, Arquitor Bombards, Thunderhawk, Stormbird, Mastodon, Terminator Siege squad, Indomitus terminators, Caestus Assault Ram, even without getting into 20-30 HQs that need plastic kits. And that's the non-legion specific and space marine only. Yeah you're full of shit.
>>97446093Half of these are conversion jobs
>>97446103>tHosE aRe cONveRsiON jObsYou're so full of shit. Fucking troll.
>>97445607I mean there's a ton to go yet, it would probably take a fourth edition to really get everything in resin for marines while releasing stuff for the other armies too, and maybe another for all legion unique units.
>>97445209They haven't grown on me at all, just like the kratos and the numarks.
>>97446118They really are.Maybe get good at the hobby side of things, scrub.
>>97446103All of the HH things can be "conversion jobs". Fuck, there were people converting the power armour marks onto mk7 minis that were filed down to detailless shapes on army-wide scale. If we go by your abysmally shit take then we didn't even need resin kits let alone the plastic ones.
>>97444934Post models or get raped by poles
Wish they gave the Conteptor some non heavy main guns that don't have heavy, makes implacable advance borderline worthless.
>>97446093>Indomitus terminatorsBe realistic
>>97446210Taramtula sentry guns got plastic models. Fucking tarantula sentry guns. GW is gonna milk every single possible units they can turn into a plastic kit for HH.
>>97446093What would a Seeker kit even look like, that the most 'upgrade kit' type unit in the game. Literally just tacticals with special ammo. Also>Thunderhawk>Stormbird>Mastodon>Indomitus Termies>Terminator Siege Squad>Caestuslol lmao
>>97446239I know GW can be weird sometimes but 40k has kept Indomitus Terminators, even for them having two borderline identical kits would be over the line
>>97446239Speaking of Tarantulas, is swapping weapons possible without resorting to magnets?
>>97446282Yes, the weapons are plug-and-play straight out of the box.
>>97445975>>97446012>>97446093Other than the Legion Specific units and Consuls I honestly do think that as long as the rate of releases doesn't slow down everything you all listed can and probably will be released by the end of 4th.
>>97446300Thank god.GW is pretty schizo about weapon options. Cataphracti have weapons attached to their hands but a Tarantula has them hotswappable.
>>97446301>4thDon't even joke about that
>>97446320The new cata even have a bunch of weapons attached to the hands stuck to a full arm. There's like 5 extra arms on the sprue that didn't need to be there.
>>97446339It's closer than you think.
>>97446320Ever since AoD dropped, it's been a concerted effort to make weapons awkward.Vehicles, meanwhile, only get better. It's wierd.
>>97446339It's inevitable, don't pretend it's not going to happen, it'll just make it hurt more when it does
>>97446367The vehicles are also the least likely to end up with a weird ass redesign
>>97446416It's fucking odd. Outside of the Quad Heavy Bolters, and maybe the weird demolisher cannon (so, the Fellblade), the vehicle stuff's all been on point.
>>97446209Uh, inset combi bolters, heavy flamers and plasma blasters?
>>97446434I want quad heavy bolter Land Raider Proteus. There's a land raider with that in some Imperial Armour, no? And now the Spartan has it
>>97444703Everything but the shoulder pads since the new IW legion icon they've been pushing in 40k is fucking awful.
>>97446494LR Tartarus, the predecessor of the LR Prometheus.What I want is Terminus Ultra. Everything needed for it is already in the stock Proteus kit.
>>97446282never buying them because in addition to ruinously overpriced, the plastic tarantulas don't come with enough weapons.$60 for 45 points in the box, it's utterly impossible to argue the box shouldn't either cost $30-40 or if it costs $60 come with bolter+lascannon+volkite+melta+missiles.It's probably the worst deal in the entire 30k line. $60 for 45 points makes even forgeworld models look cheap. Corswain is the same price as tarantulas but 220 points instead.
>>97445159Nah mate, we just got tired of dunking on you musclemommy coomer poofters. You can only humiliate someone so many times before it stops being amusing and just begins to evoke pity.
they should release a "command upgrade sprue" that has stuff like>a jump pack>techmarine parts>apothecary parts>ornate versions of stuff like power fists, pistols etcso you get 1 and can combine it with an existing MK2/3/6 model or centurion to make stuff like apothecaries, techmarines, jump pack centurions etc
>>97446637Can always pick it up for dirt cheap second hand.
>>97446668And cut off their revenue source of selling you $60 resin consuls so you can finish their job of fix mold slips, bubbles, and bendy staves? Do you want GW to starve?
>>97445209Don't care for 'em. I like Eggmen in general fine, but the execution bugs me; you so obviously can't fit a person in there unless you NUGGET them, but rather than having that be their standout "thing", that they put a big emphasis on the Dreadnought aspect of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, they threw out the wierd kinda-sorta-psyker curveball. I also don't like the fact they went with a specialsnowflake loadout for them and didn't even try to do an updated version of the hilariously dumb triple-mag stormbolter from the originals.The Saturnine dread is a good basis for a Grey Knight walker that's less retarded than the Dreadknight though, seen some cool conversions along those lines.
>>97446668Something like the old 2e Command Squad box, but as a sprue for existing infantry kits? That'd be cool, but you know they're gonna just bilk people with expensive character models instead.
>>97444691does anybody remember where the last set of HH rules for Astropaths were?
>>97446971Dunno if 3.0 kept them2.0 has them in the legacies for Solar Auxilia, here ya go
>>97446971>>97447016I realise now that astropaths aren't navigators.
>>97447021I think every psyker can work as one. It's just that it's only the actual Navigators who are specifically bred for it
>>97447021yeah I made the same error when I was looking for them, was convinced they were in 2.0; last set of rules I can think of is the 7E Guard codex
>>97446532Yes but it gets reduced to 6 transport slots
>>97446012>Storm eagle/fire raptor plastic dual kitYes please>xiphonYes please>dreadclawYes please>KharybdisI wouldn't hate it, but I'd much rather have other superheavies (It's an honorary super heavy)>dreadnought drop podNot really needed>nullificatorsDead and not returning, RIP>all of the consulsDo not need to be plastic>most of the lord of war optionsLike what? Falchions and the aircraft? I'm down for a plastic thunderhawk for sure>all of the legion specific unitsDon't need to be plastic>all of the legacies unitsDon't need to be plastic, converting is SOVL>a ton of units which existed in 1.0 which got cut and never returnedNot really needed>models for a proper Imperial Army factionSolar Auxilia
>>97446532based and terminuspilled
>>97447096For Solar Auxilia we still need plastic kits for Charonite Ogryns, Flamer sections, Surgeons, Rapier batteries, the Aurox, the Charnodon, and the Stormhammer.
>>97447085I'd be fine with 0 like on the original Terminus Ultra. I'd just like to have options and a Proteus tank destroyer would be nice. Just make it an improvised option that some units made in the field to bolster their firepower. Sort of like the original Predator Annihilator.
>>97447127fucking charonites still dont have a legal non super heavy transport option and its utter bullshit.
>>97447127Also Baneblade and Shadowsword. They've already shown us the models, but James, that fuck, keeps sitting on them like a faggot.Speaking of what SA needs, you think they'll ever give the unit inspired by the Saturnyne Ordo any of those Saturnyne exo-suits?
>>97447171Reminder Imperial Armour says the techpriests, after decades of research and probably political pressure came to the conclusion the Predator must've been designed with the capability to adapt different armaments in the first place, meaning it was never hereteknia to do so.
>>97447264>heretical techpriest: we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
>>97447264I want GW to give us sponsonless Predators with a small transport capacity.
dead game?
>>97447287It was actually the Space Wolves who were being investigated. Being a founding chapter, Mars probably ordered the modification being sanctioned. That was it was going to look like it was their decision instead of the Wolves yet again not caring about the edicts of faraway Mars.>>97447296Here's your melta razorback brother. Irdk. Wouldn't it be too good? Like proper Razorbacks they'd be AV12 instead of Predator MBT AV13, I assume
>>97447324>Wouldn't it be too good?It's just Predator without sponsons. I'm not suggesting making it a DT or anything. Just let Predators remove their sponsons for 5-6 man transport capacity.
>>97447342It might be interesting to hometest that. No price reduction though - it's one thing for the other. Sponsons for 6 non-bulky transport capacity ("Light Transport")
>>97447384>No price reduction thoughMy thinking exactly. Quite frankly, I just want at least the option to take Predators without sponsons. It existed before. I don't care if sponsons are better than no sponsons, I at least want to have the choice.
>>97447411They removed no sponsons option because the plastic deimos kit doesn't support no sponsons, simple as.
>>97447422It has the same ability to have no sponsons as the FW kit. There were no doors in the resin kit and even if you bought doors, there was no hinges to hold the doors. And you'd have the extra shield above the sponson. To be the cleanest, both kits would have to put Rhino or Vindicator sides on them.
>>97447422Neither did the resin one, you would still have a pair of holes on the sides. The pred lost its sponsons on 2.0's altar of "balance and thinning bloated lists" while people cheered and called me an idiot for thinking GW wouldn't just keep cutting and that we wouldn't get a third edition with even less things. It's hardly the only dumb loss but some of the removed things were resold in the supplements too with minimal changes if any and no rebalancing either which made both of the arguments even funnier.
>>97447441>>97447483It's true that the resin one didn't support no sponsons, but that came out in 1.0, when heresy was much more about conversions and possibility. By the time we got to 2.0, we started seeing a lot more in the way of rules being adjusted for kits, the predator amongst them.
>>97447296that became the Razorback more than 30 years agoI want the Deimos Hunter and Stalker, but it ain't gonna happen
>>97447540Don't care about Stalker, but Hunter I'd like back. Preferably with an OG style launcher system.
>>97447560They'd probably work too well as Araknae mounts :(
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>>97447611Araknae mountd do not work as an AA mount because araknae quad batteries only incline like 5 degrees.
>>97447540>>97447560Wait, you want the AA Rhino's rules, or their models? Because the Hunter could totally be a Scorpius innit - missile artillery that can be stabilized for more shots
>>97447560Wait, just how old is the Hunter concept? I thought those had been created for 7E along with Centurion suits??
>>97447832Hunter was in Epic (on the 3e Rhino chassis as oppose to the original RT one).
AA tanks are cool but pointless for how rarely flyers get taken. Best thing 40k edition did was give them bonuses against skimmers
>>97447985Anon there are more fliers than there are skimmers. There's exactly the two astartes speeders and the pallas grav attack speeder.
>>97448001What does that have to do with what I said?
>>97447220These and plastic veletari w/flamers at the same time. Really really really hope they stick with the Imperialis design, fucking hate the plastic veletari.
I think the Navigator Houses should be released as a PDF faction, like Militia or Daemons. Could be kind of fun having a psyker-heavy faction that isn't Thousand Sons.
I did a shitty writeup of a game I played. Mostly because while nothing much actually happened in game, the way it ended up did feel kinda thematic.
>>97448243If youre wondering what the weird blob in the image is? I tried editing out where a dice-bag was.
>>97448243Also it should be Cadre Sabnak, not Cadre Abrax at the end there (the terror squad took zero casualties, the seekers were reduced to one man)
>>97447985I agree. Anti air stuff was niche, and by affecting anything with FLY (including Assault marines), they became more competitive.This is me being biased, for my favorite Onager Dunecrawler version is the one with the Icarus schizo Array>>97448001>>97448037Say, wouldn't AA units be yet more hard pressed to be useful, now that flyers leave the board during their own turn, depending on their mission? Seems they can only be attacked by Intercept, and whatever Skyfire and Rapid Tracking do this time around. Nah but this is a hypothetical, I ought to read the rules again lmao
>>97448241I think it's just a bunch of nobles tended to by mercs. Lucifer Blacks and similar, ando think those guys can be represented by Solar Auxilia Companions.I wish charnabal sabres were better outside duels :(
Those that don't freehand their stripes are WEAK and will be forgotten
I'm thinking of putting together a unit of 5 veteran breachers with power fists alongside my siegebreaker in a land raider Achilles that my group has graciously allowed to buy phosphor. I've seen a few in past threads, but post your vet breacher squads for inspiration?
>>97448415Needs more horny
>>97446637>Caring about points cost compared to valuePoorfag detected. The price of models is related to how much material you get, not a fluctuating in game point cost you nigger. Retards like you is why plastic models were a mistake. Resin model were such a great gatekeeping method to keep all the inbred mouth breathing poorfags away.
>>97448667Incredible how an upgrade kit older than most people that play 40k still blows modern GW upgrade kits out of the water when it comes to aesthetics.
>>97448684Bait used to be believable.
>give red corsair bolter bitches rather clean chaos trim free old mk3 armor>old mk3 backpacks>IW bolter bitches are in chaosified mk7 spiky trimmed to hell>anvilus backpacks>not a single old skool mk3 helmetFucking GW, one step forward, two steps back.
>>97444703Im not convinced they're usable for 40k marines
>>97448758no it didn't
>>97447985Realistically AA is double duty and usually can be as well used to at least mulch infantry and light vehicles. You are basically getting predator with option to shoot planes
>>97447619>>97447625Needs something to cover that empty turret ring. Its obvious that its not supposed to be exposed
>>97448801That strat died with the 88. Negative modifier to hit ground units. Some bullshit about targeting being optimized for air units. Then give them a reaction against jump/grav/fly units that move in a certain radius and a percentage of your total shots based on move distance. Zoomed 36 inches? 2x max number of shots
>>97446668A DIY consul box would be perfect, but GW already charges for - and makes stupid money off standalone characters. So I doubt they'd do something actually useful and time-saving.
>>97448850>That strat died with the 88Plenty of AA guns even today have anti-tank rounds or have been repurposed as guns for ground vehicles, like the Bofors 40mm. Even anti-air missiles can be used against ground targets, if needed. So, making AA units in games capable of only targeting air units is pointless limitation, especially when so many of them would be useless if air targets aren't present.
>>97445333they are waay too big tho
>>97448415I like the heads a lot, I wonder if they will be 40k CSM scale or tiny brainlet 30k scale. Also notice the mk4 arms.
>>97446151Same.
>>97449055This. Plus I like more the looks of the Saturnine from the Death of hope than the original nugw.
Are there fan-rules for adding tanks, aircraft and infantry to Titanicus? Ligma simplies titans too much.
It's that guy. You know the guy. It's him.
>>97448779
>>97449171It's that guy!Get him!
>>97449171OMG it's that guy!
>>97448779Don't you know? Old style mark 3 is shit, only new style is good. Only new sculptors have taste. Stop wanting the things that got you in to the hobby, just want what gives current design team an ego trip.Also, outside maybe 2-in-5 backpacks, nothing about the new red corsair kits is old mk 3
>>97449333oh wait, one of the 5 bodies seems to have a single lobsterplate leg.
What do you think, a redesign or a 40K equivalent, or something else?
>>97449342>Vertebrae looking chainIt's gonna be some AoS garbage.
>>97449430I thought that too, at the very least a Chaos figure for AoS, but then I realized that there's a power cable attached to the head and that the chain is heavily reminiscent of CSM design.
>>97449430The power cable makes me think it's 40k, but my money's on something IW-based for 40k, possibly daemon engine.
>>97449342It's part of a mutilator or part of a defiler
>>97449471You might be on to something.
>>97449494I've licked enough toads in my time to be able to tell the future a bit.
>>97449471An updated defiler is the absolute last thing I'd expect GW to do.
>>97449517Which is exactly why it's going to happen.We didn't really anticipate more than just a Huron Blackheart redesign, but here we are.Banking on mostly nostalgia (and primarislop) for 40K, and "reimagining" classic designs for Horus Heresy.
>>97448779I know I’m in the HHG, so I’m going to encounter some rather stinky dogshit takes here, but this takes the cake. I want my chaos to be chaos not some primaris bland garbage like the red corsairs.
>>97449573What do you mean?
>>97444703Yes I think they'd work great as late Heresy or Siege-era IW.
which legions fought alonside the custodes? wolves at the burning of prospero but who else
>>97449810Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and White Scars during the Siege of Terra and the fighting in the Sol system leading up to it.
>>97449198Look at them, not a phone in sight. Just people living in the moment.
>>97449198Is he biting his lip?
>>97449857He's coming for dat IG ass
>>97449342Meteor hammers aren't powered and this looks nothing like one, it doesn't look like it belongs in the WE range or the 30k either. It looks much worse too so you just know this means we're getting nu-rampagers because they are too small compared to the prim...nu-marks.
>>97449824>fighting in the Sol systemI want Battlefleet Imperialis so bad.
>>97445159Did they actually get banned?
>>97448684shoo shoo gimp
>>97448415How do the guys with no mouth eat and not starve to death? Do they get food from tubes like hospital patients?
>>97449881>Meteor hammers aren't powered>arm shows a power cable connecting to it
>>97449342It's a defiler, v*lrak has rumored the iron warriors release wave as mutilators, mpk obliterators, defiler, warsmith, and iron warriors upgrade kit
>>97450029The head certainly isn't and it's connected to the wielder through a chain.
>>97450095So the entire weapon is dangerous, not just the head. A chain covered in a power field is an interesting prospect indeed.
>>97449342>>97449494>>97450060Defiler seems a likely option. They're equipped with mace-topped Power Scourges, as opposed to the slashing type found on Chaos Dreadnoughts. Interestingly, same kind of vertebrae chain is found there.
>>97445209Huge fucking swing and a miss. The terminators have no functuinal role in the game and suffer the same issue Shit-maris marines did at the start of 8th 40k, you cant get them anywhere you need them unless you take a very specific unit, IE the guy that can teleport him in. Atop of that, their weapons fucking blow, their best load out is their stock load out of fist and plasma canon. Reason being is, you are never going to stand still with them to get double shots with 2 canons, and with out canons you leave them open to getting fucked in melee, hard. The D weapons fucking SUCK, and literally only exist because GW wanted to see people on them and nerf plasma as a result, you actually are more likely to hurt your self then you are your targets with the D guns. Then you got the fact they are heavy so they aint going fuck all no where.Their design is kinda ass, im sorry but they look to Nu marine to fit into HH, they are big and stupid looking and not in the way that makes them charming. On top of that, and this is gonna rustle some jimmies, no one actually wanted this shit, Saturnine was "reddit popular" people only say they like it, and talk about how cool it is, but no one actually wanted to field it, no one actually wanted to play them. They just sound cool to like. The dread is OK, but its just OK, its main problem is it just exists to fill the same fucking spot that the leviathen does.
>>97450243Except with the Leviathan, I get to go full crab and give you the snip. The Saturnine doesn't even have that. It's just a deredeo on roids.
>>97450243>no one actually wanted this shitWhich is why I didn't spend years scrolling through different conversions and bits to figure out how to make some. Still trying to figure out how to make the top'n'bottom magazine combi-bolter without looking like complete ass.>>97450303>LeviathanSpeaking of, the Saturnine is hiding some quite Leviathan-like plates under the shoulder pads.
>>97450323In the interviews on WarCom the designers talked repeatedly about how saturnine tech shares commonalities with leviathan dreadsnoughts, which also are based upon non-Martian tech, and how they wanted to make sure this was clear by having leviathan style armour plates on the model.
>>97450346> Read the rulebook> But actually you had to listen to WarCom slop to ever learn about the design process, subscribe to Warhammer+ to learn more!!!How about not slop pig
>>97450346Shame the rest of the model looks totally different, unlike the contemptor and deredeo, and even to a degree boxnought, which share multiple design elements with the Leviathan.
>>97450346Yes, and...?
>>97450346>WarCom says Saturnine armour was used during the Unification Wars>Forges of Saturn says Saturnine armour entered service after the Unification Wars
>>97450396It was a written article you could read for free. But if there is anything I've learned the last year, it's that absolutely fucking no one actually reads anything any more.
>>97450523Okay, he's wrong about the paywall.Now address the numerous mistakes Warcom's made in the past and the fact that those plates are about the only commonality those termies have with Levis, while everything else is different.
>>97450346>if those kids could read.jpg
>>97445209The rules aren't great and the model could have used more upgrade options for visual flair and weapons, like right-handed fists. Too bad they didn't do a Contemptor and release the Terminators by themselves with another sprue compared to the big box release, they could have used them.>>97450323All those hidden details under the pauldrons make me wonder if there are upgrades planned down the line that replace them, seems like a waste were it not for conversion potential.>>97450128A new Defiler model is well overdue but I wouldn't be surprised if a new Helbrute or Dreadnought came around, seeing that more than plenty of Chaosfags feel insecure with Redemptors being so much larger.
>>97450624The suits do look nice without. From a fluff perspective, I wonder if the shoulder pads were added to house the shield generators and teleporters for the combat models, or if the exo-suits also had them.
>>97450656The shoulders were there to house the teleporters and shields.
>>97450656Look like teenage mutant ninja turtles
>>97450656Those look retarded Like Votaan nuGW 40k slop.
>>97450732Nigga GET OUT OF MY HEAD MAN, GET OUT OF MY HEAD
>>97450756SPLINTER TAUGHT THEM TO BE NINJA TEENS
So what are basic saturnine good for? besides killing admech shit that is.
>>97450128It might just be a chaos knight tail
>>97450932Nothing obviously, because they can't kill WS 5 thunder hammer terminators in melee.
>>97450932Being unkillable without serious anti tank (lascannons are not serious anti tank), plasma Bombards are good for harassing objective holders as they trudge up, if they don't kill themselves disintegrators are very lethal,and their flamers make trying to jam them up with chaff suicide
Any advice on converting magii/archmagii for mechanicum? Seems like there's a bunch of ways to build them, and I'm not sure which models make a good basis (Looked at all the actual techpriest models, as well as some necromunda bodies and even possibly some automata.)
>>97451249I dont think theres many ways to go wrong desu. Literally just pick whatever you want, theres a load of tech-priest models, a load more models you can use for conversions, and even loads of fitting 3rd party (some guy here used a warmachine model)
>>97451277More than once - I like using warmachine cryx for esoteric and dark mechanicum stuff
>>97451383Can we get a closer look ? 0.0
Finished painting a Dark Angel centurion. Real fun that there's an actual reason to take regular officer rank marines now.
ChatGPT, generate me a legion to show everyone that I’m Israel’s number 1 Shabbos Goy, and that I love taking up the butt!++GENERATING++++RESULT: THE ALPHA LEGION++
>>97451954kys retard
>>97451873Extremely cool
>>97451873That looks gorgeous.
>>>97450932their only use is converting them into command squads or phraeton squads this edition. GW didn't want to kill the game off by making the box saturnines disgustingly p2w when the $300 launch box was out, which would've made everyone quit in fury, so they've been gimped intentionally to uselessness.Once the box becomes hard to find, expect them to be buffed to be overpowered in 4th edition, so that retards can say "see! GW doesn't make models OP to make money, they waited until 4th to make them overpowered!!" (missing the point that people will still have to spend hundreds of dollars buying the new models to pay for wins, even though they sucked in 3rd edition)It's a little trick that outsmarts the fanboys 100% of the time.
>>97452201>missing the point that people will still have to spend hundreds of dollars buying the new models to pay for winsThats... how any model being strong works.
>>97452201They will still suck since they die to thunder hammers.
>>97452201>missing the point that people will still have to spend hundreds of dollars buying the new models to pay for winsThe models that many people will already have? The ones that have flooded the market because they come in large number in the starter box?
Just saw these, love 'em.
>>97452499These are very cool.
>>97452499You see, this is why the shade of blue matters. I thought those were world eaters they were attacking at first.
>>97452656World eaters have the blue and white in the other order.
>>97451954
>>97452499Does anyone recognize he daemonic bits used?
>>97452682Not if they're warhounds
>>97452910forge world daemon brutes heads
are the mike brooks AL novels really that bad? I'd like to read up on the hydra bros but I don't want to fall for another bait and switch
I don't know animoo well enough to recognize the reference but someone might find it amusing
>>97453293Beyblade
>>97453251They're great. This too is a lie.
>>97453251mike brooks is horrible. His characters are mary sues with magical god-hands to make up for him being absolutely talentless as an author.
i recovered my thousand sons recipe, huzzah
>>97453293>Horse Heresy
>>97453993This post is misleading. Is says Alpha Legion books by Mike Brooks are bad. It could imply Alpha Legions books by Dan Abnett aren't bad, which they are.Legion is so different from the usual 30-40k that it might not be set in Warhammer at all
>>97454147This too is a lie.
>>97454202Either give me more Geno Five-Two Chiliad or let me forget it like a bad dream, bro
>>97453251The Alpharius novel is alright. I think Brooks' prose can be stilted but I didn't mind it so much in this case. There are a lot of references to other entries in the series (the Valdor novel and Ghost Legion come to mind) and it pays to have read those beforehand. But I can't speak for how you'll feel about Head of the Hydra reframing some events from those stories, that comes down to you.
>>97454147it is shocking that Legion, the only Alpha Legion novel, is about purple not alpha legions
I love IH cybernetic aesthetic, but for the love of god I can't go past the grimderp of replacing a space marine body with machinery. I understand the hand thing due to misguided reverence to manus and I understand admech since they are mere humans, but what's the point of replacing most/all space marine body parts with machinery? it kills the point of the whole process of becoming a marine in the first place. is there more to it than "machine spirit marines" and grimderp?>inb4 neglected legion cuz manus gets instagib'dreasons beyond official written Lore™ (read: fluff). I just wanna love them beyond their aesthetic and spooky necrotechnica zombies so I could properly immerse myself when fantasizing.
>>97454444when you read a book about the Alpha Legion but its Indian
>>97454817the few books with IH I've read it wasn't at all "replacing space marines with machinery", it was "I've been McShot and lost my arm/eye, it'll be cheaper and faster to pop on a robot arm in a few hours instead of months regrowing a meat-arm, and a robot eye could give me night vision, thermal heatvision, targeting aids, zoom, etc.
>>97454444geno five-two chiliad are incredibly lame, broseph. "these women are very very very minor psykers... by virtue of I dunno being women with their eggs scooped out. And uhh... despite psykers having NOTHING to do with strategy or logistics or tactics, the army will somehow function at twice normal performance because the empathy of very very very minor mommy psykers watching over the men" And the stupid term "preceptor" "precepting" which means literally nothing.Doesn't make the slightest lick of sense. A Librarian is 1000x more powerful than a Preceptor and yet Librarians aren't used to command every guard army to make it 100x more effective.
>>97445607Remember what was kept from you
>>97454850But in all the good legions/chapters, members are psykers. And all the officers and even squad leaders are picked from stronger psykers, So they can either focus the power of their brethern or use others to empower themselfs. From what I understand about the Chilliads they work great in the field because of their officers , the "psyker mommy" factor is good, because onlike their line officers (who aren't chilliads breed), the line trooper in the force is a mini ogryn. A "psyker mommy" can easily control or make the troopers obey all oders. I do agree with you thought, that on top of that it is a "strong woman" power fantasy. But you know it makes more sense, then all modern IG officers, princeps, navy officers and admirals being women exclusivly, unless the story "requires" one of those but as a bad/incompetent guy.
>>97454834its all about logical grim choices being effective and quick. IH are about getting shit done with tech and angry logic. If you cant be a grumpy IT tech toaster toucher with roids you cant be IH. Suprisingly violent bunch of lads as well as fixing and fucking playing with dark age tech when required.
>>97454931a psyker isn't required to have soldiers obey orders, the entire concept is pure retardation. And they demonstrate no powers to cast buffs or "focus the power of their brethren" or whatever horse shit that is. The book explains ttheir psychic powers are so weak they'd pretty much not even be detected as real psykers, they're like fucking essential oils level psykers. Also, psychic power is tied to emotions and control, neither of which suits women having hundreds and hundreds of their children slaughtered in front of them on a battlefield. They'd be causing random black rages and psychic backlash incapacitating their entire army and turning into daemons if they were "precepting" linked to a thousand of their biological children (bred from their own eggs) dying in front of them in agony.
>>97454984no it is not required. But a soldier who has a leader who is a psyker has a lot harder time to refuse an order. The "powers" of the Chilliad are not that their boys suddenly grow fire wings and do 500m meteor jumps. It is that "psyker moomy" tells you to take that hill, you will go and try to take it.
>>97454993so an incredibly retarded roundabout way of having much inferior commissars or legion banner bearers. With zero upside, yeah. They're among the lamest guard regiments ever written.
>>97455007it is having comissars don't don't have to be deployed in the field, because they can order people around from "range" without the risk of the "Psyker comissar" getitng killed, by the enemy or his own troops. Yes you described it more accurate, then what I did. But it is understandable, my grasp on english is bad to say the least.
>>97454817Heresy-era IH are less about "fLeSh WeAk" and more about "I am a weapon, fix me so I can kill again"
>>97451594Here's my entire priest hood, let me know who you want to see closer
>>97454817
>>97454832This. Oof.>>97454850"Preceptor" probably means precognitive perceptor. I want them to be a thing, so I don't see them so out of the way. If intuition is an educated guess and empathy is to feel for others, they simply go a bit beyond that. Though it would make more sense if their led-soldiers were vat-born from their harvested eggs (mother-child connection) and their fellow-officers were sibling pairs (twin's connection)>Librarians are more powerfulAnd they're all officers, though actual precognition is a rare discipline. Indeed Blood Ravens got a cadre of precognitives and telepaths to help draw battle plans, and craftworld Eldar often don't commit to a battle before having a farseer try divinate the best outcome
>>97454931The psychic link wasn't for controlling the soldiers, it was for battlefield awareness
>>97454834>>97454941It would be pragmatism in 30k...but in 40k you see marines that haven't being REbuilt with cybernetics, but rather improved completely healthy parts with better cybernetics.There was a chaplain guy who was literally pic related but in terminator form. He is described as having no distinction between front or back, because his cranium was a dome with cameras all around to see in every direction at once, and his elbows, hips and knees were double jointed so he could do a 180 without having to turn around.
>>97456452>tech hoardersSplendid.>mind uploadsplendid, but in DW it's mind upload, not "bio-transference" (necron wet dream)>obliteratorsthis reads like necrotechnica zombies, but bigger. still pretty cool.>muh flesh is weakyeah this is the part that kills the whole process of becoming a marine when anyone can be turned into one via bullshit like this. Cringe.>necrotechnicaSplendid.time to scrounge books for more info on IH. thanks for the inspiration!
>>97456619>when anyone can be turned into one via bullshit like thisI feel the flavor of cybernetics that IH implant themselves would fry even the most ancient of magi.
>>97456660I fully agree with that as it explains the necessity for marine transhumanism to survive certain implants. it's just bullshit when literally every part is replaced except the brain, and while the brain certainly goes through marine transformation I still dislike the idea of "this device requires the entire human body to become a marine just so we could use the brain". too grimderpy.
>>97454817You are confusing 30k and 40k IH which are almost completely different in their ideology.When their primarch was alive they didn't go out of their way to replace healthy flesh with as many bionics as they could. IHs post his rediscovery were mostly made from his planet's techno-tribals which weren't unlike pre-planetary unification Mars so they were tribes which barely understood tech and partly abscribed its functioning to some higher, quasi-religious reason riding on city sized crawlers with tech shamans which understood a bit more about it and had a lot of rites centered around it. The moment Ferrus turned them into marines they were no longer allowed to do stuff like that and they respected Ferrus enough to just not do it. He's the strongest and ignoring his hands he doesn't seem to need bionics to be. At most you had marines like the gorgon that you posted doing the whole bionics thing because his armour is poisonus and he needs bionics to live through that. This kinda changed once his head was no longer on his shoulders and the legion started running around the galaxy like headless chickens. Suddenly no longer anyone was on the same page because Ferrus was no longer the ideal of strength. He died. There are a lot, and I mean a LOT of different groups of IHs some of which just basically lobotomized and stuck as many bionics on that they were basically automata. Some resurrected dead people with the tech Ferrus sequestered away in one of his many vaults(of mimir). Some just kept going as if the primarch was still alive. Others tried to get tech to resurrect him. Then there are the guys under Autek Mor. The list is long. In short 30k IHs venerate strength, machines can give you that but their father said don't go too overboard. You are going to want to read book 2 and book 6. Book 2 has a rundown on the basic legion while book 6 has what might be one of their best stories.
>>97456670Thallax prove particularly resilient and stubborn but otherwise normal mortals can become even hardier than marines through cyberization.But whatever it is that makes marines i4-i5 and magically live hundreds of years without growing senile or needing anti-agathics, no cyborg seems to have.Except only dedicated Genetors of the Lacrymarta and Cybernetica, hypothetical
>>97456714>When their primarch was alive they didn't go out of their way to replace healthy flesh with as many bionics as they could.Gorgon terminators are literally cybernetically integrated to their armour as a full body prosthesis, and Ferrus dies in like the 6th month of an 8 year war. That means he spends ~94% of the war being dead, and the survivors understand they gotta use the forbidden tech from day 2
>>97456832>>At most you had marines like the gorgon that you posted doing the whole bionics thing because his armour is poisonus and he needs bionics to live through that. >>He died. Did you read my post beyond the first two phrases? IHs existed well before the heresy, so it makes sense to speak of how they were before it and how they became once their father died during the horsehair series, which is something I did.
Is there any use for Scouts ?
>>97456957Cheap source of sniping/pinningCheap sacrificial units to block access to objectives turn 1 using infiltrateCheap distraction carnifex to be annoying in the enemy's backline
>>97456975But the recon slot though
>>97456975Derivative question: is there any use for Scouts when you get Seekers of sniping/fear/suppress on objectives turn 1 using infiltrate for 95 pts who aren't burdened with Support Squad?
>>97456995Seekers are more expensive, an elite slot, and don't have pinning. You don't really want to throw seekers on an objective as a sacrificial lamb to block scoring turn one.
>>97456845>Did you read my post beyond the first two phrasesBarely, as it talked about the legion that had been before, not the legion that was being at the time. First they began with battle-ready prosthetics but cyberization of healthy individuals had just started showing up. This was due to the unforgiving feudal cult of strength that Ferrus let go unchecked.Fact is that if the legion hadn't been "forgetting the mysteries of flesh and bone" as Ferrus himself says it, there wouldn't have been anything for him to correct before dying. But there was, and he did die.And secondly, you are free to write as you like, but if you want your texts to be inviting, you could do a bit of formatting. Enter new line won't make you a redditor. It's up to you.Up yours, really :^)
>Kill team getting an update>Old world getting an updateOh please no.
>>97457007Scouts cost 70 pts...with bolters. It's 95 with sniper rifles, and they have BS4 4+ save to the Seekers' BS5 and 3+ save.So Scouts cost -10 pts but shoot worse and die faster, using a gun with better breaching and twice as many shots...but they do inflict Pinning whilst breaching. Seekers have to pick Status or Breaching.Alright, I guess that's a use for Scouts. 40 pts cheaper than Recons oof.Really, I wouldn't mind Seekers getting Support or Vanguard. They are technically assassins, not tasked with holding objectives. How come they score better than the actual reconnaissance?As for the slot, Elites seems arguably more prevalent than Recon for some reason.
>>97457038>shit game gets an update >dead fucking game gets an updateYippie now fuck off outta here, maybe get better tastes in games as well.
>>97457116I only play 30k, I'm worried about a 30k update
>>97457116>Poats a 40k marine
>>97456714>once his head was no longer on his shoulders and the legion started running around the galaxy like headless chickenshar har har!
>>97457028Why is this post about the war of american independence? Not sure how this fits the HH general but I also stopped reading at barely so dunno.
>>97457038What's the issue with that exactly? I though people hated the time where GW would maybe sometimes fix shit in an FAQ once half a decade. Or is getting fixes and answers more regular a problem now to you freaks?I can't find any official announcement about either game getting a new edition, so that can't be what you people are upset about. Or are you fucking schizos now throwing a fit over a game getting a big errata drop as well?
>>97457038And? I'm sure all 6 of the people playing 3.0 wouldn't mind an update.
>>97457318Whilst not perfect, everything feels so evenly balanced (relatively speaking compared to other editions) that I'd almost rather not have GW touch it and probably fuck everything up.
>>97457342I don't play KT or TOW so I wouldn't know what changed but I think if they did update 3.0 it would just be a new FAQ with more explanations on how certain interactions work. I doubt we're getting more options getting erased or units like the saturnine termies and dreads suddenly having something retarded like AP1 and twice the shots on everything. You are going to have to wait a couple of years for the first part, once they will release 4.0.
>make sure to not follow the error propagation of leaving a gap in the Leviathan's armor plates during assembly>it's actually easyHow are people messing this up?
>>97457038The OW update seems pretty good, it could have perhaps been a bit heavier on cathay but on the whole its just a few minor adjustments, nerfs for a broken faction (thats getting new units soon) and some buffs for particularly bad units. Cant speak for KT, but this is essentially like if the HH errata just said "Thousand Sons heavy support squads cant be corvidae" in terms of how much it changes the game. Although frankly that might be overstating it. "seekers are now panic(0) on shot selector" might be closer to what happened.
>>97457396Too many normies and hobbylets infest Warhammer these days. We needed to gatekeep harder.
>>97454817There basically isnt one, its literal in universe mental illness. The Iron Hands venerated strength, they loved their primarch and thought he represented that pinnacle of strength. And then he went and died like a bitch at the very start of the heresy, alongside all of his best fighters. And that broke the Iron Hands. Its not just "our primarch died", but the fact that their entire philosophy was suddenly put into question. And thats where the tech fetishism really comes in, the ritualistic augmentation isnt really logical, but its something the iron hands do because they are obsessed with trying to find and eliminate weakness in themselves, because at the heart of the legion there exists an infinitely deep insecurity and self loathing. They must be stronger, faster, more logical, more durable, more perfect. All in the hopes of not failing like the father they still love and worship despite it going against their stated ideology.
>>97457368If its anything like the TOW changes its going to be "havoc launchers are now 10pts" and "the decurion locus for a kratos is now 50pts". Minor pts adjustements to try and nerf the things they think are too good.
>>97457438This.
>>97457396I have the same question when people whine about old Cataphractii shoulders not sitting right. It's not a problem I ever had, you just have to take the tiniest care when assembling.
>>97457438it's not a mental illness though. Marines ARE inferior life-forms. An army of 1000 space marines or an army of 1000 archmagos with conversion beamers, the archmagos would just use the power of technology to vaporize the marines 1 second into tthe battle. Techno-enhancement literally does improve someone beyond the strength level of any non-primarch-space marine.
>>97457438Similarly, this is why the dark angels go so fucking mental by 40k, despite "objectively" what happened with Luther being a fucking nothingburger compared to everything else the other legions went through. Their self-obsession with purity and being the best couldn't handle the knowledge that they werent, that they were fallible.
>>97457486That's a matter of difference in weapons, not purely body vs bionics. The main disadvantage bionics seem to have in HH is that bionic body parts can't repair themselves, whilst flesh (and especially marine bodies) can heal.
>>97457486Now do 1000 vigilators with paragon of battle and nemesis rifles vs 1000 archmagos.
>when the upholders of the corpse empire are universally made to do the bidding of the pantheon in keeping the churn of souls going in ceaseless war with most referring to their atheistic king as a god the entire whilefuck you imperial shits
>>97457500if your legion of marines can simply turn traitor at any moment, the logical answer would be simply to delete them and rely on forces that could be controlled, so it's not unnatural for DA to want to hide that information. The emperor has already deleted 2 entire legions and considering the heresy just happened and 9 went traitor, it'd be insane to believe the rulers of Terra don't have their finger on the order deletion of suspicious legions button.>>97457505using bionic modifications allows carrying better weapons than normal legionaries. There's no reason an IH marine couldn't walk around with Ferrus Mannus type of backpack with back-mounted extra plasma gun and extra flamer on every single marine that they can shoot using their robot-eye's targeting while their arms are free to use yet another plasma gun or bolter.>>97457518that wouldn't even be a close fight. Archmagos steamroll vigilators. Archmagos are T6 6W 2+ 4++ with FNP5+++ and Battlesmith(4). They can even be Lacrymaerta and heal 4 wounds every turn. All 1000 vigilators would be dead with maybe 200 archmagos dead.
>>97457396People have issues with Levi-chan? That kits great, i had more issues with the Contemptor and even then they weren't awful, just a bit of filling
>>97457539>if your legion of marines can simply turn traitor at any momentThis is, as show, literally all legions. Every single loyalist legion had traitor elements. Luther being a plain old seccessionist was frankly a breath of fresh air from the "we are going to join horus to overthrow the emperor" thing everyone else did.
>>97457539>Archmagos are T6 6W 2+ 4++ with FNP5+++ and Battlesmith(4)Battlesmith doesent matter, because theyre not automata. But conversion beamers are also, at max range, Ap3 2D. So the Vigilators win that gunfight absolutely decisively. It takes a vigilator around 10 shots to kill a magos, it takes the magos (assuming a 90% hit rate) 12 shots to kill a vigilator.
>>97457546Having a gap in the front armour plates due to poor assembly of the plastic leviathan is such a prevalent issue that Joytoy made their version with the same gaps as well.
>>97457552there are levels of suspicion, it's an easy concept for people with a working brain. Imperial Fists and Ultramarines and Salamanders hadn't done anything suspicious, so it would be higher risk to the imperium to delete a legion that had done nothing wrong. Whereas the Dark Angels fallen, Space wolves werewolf-teamkillers, Ravenguard monsters and Blood Angels murder-rages-and-cannibalism tipped the balance much further towards an incentive to purge the untrustworthy legion.But you've got the brain of a goldfish so subtlety is beyond you.
>>97457561Lacrymaerta allows battlesmith to be used on battlesmiths. So even your illegal list with 1000 prime traits gets assfucked instantly.
>>97457562Look at the flamers, they also have gaps
>>97457569>Lacrymaerta allows battlesmith to be used on battlesmithsJust focus fire then?>So even your illegal listAs opposed to 1000 high command slots, which is legal.
>>97457576you've made two entirely impossible retard assumptions.You can stack 1000 space marines with blast templates never touching more than 1 model <- you're a fucking retard. As soon as the templates touches even 2 models then that damage becomes 2 vigilators killed per 12 shots versus 1 archmagos MAYBE killed per 10 shots (assuming vigilator stands still and archmagos never gets to heal despite being tankier than any vigilator can ever kill)You assume your entire army can all see them at all times and cover doesn't exist anywhere <- you're a fucking retard. The second cover exists, archmagos are primarch level tanky and impossible to focus fire and vigilators get massacred.It's not even a close affair. The vigilators would get lucky, occasionally, but would die without having taken even half the enemy out. And every single lost vigilator makes it less possible for them to stop the infinite healing from T6 6W 2+ 4++ 5+++ 4-wounds-healed-per-turn.
>>97457546I'm still building mine but I've found the Leviathan oddly more cromulent than the Contemptor so far, maybe it's with how the torso is built. Haven't tried Deredeo-sama but Saturnine is probably the apex of Citadel's bullshit with breaking so many things down into tiny pieces, like for fuck's sake the feet alone are like ten tiny pieces each, most would have probably been fine with an extra stepping foot pose or some shit.Can't speak for too many vehicles yet, but the Deimos Predator having good sponsons to magnetize but then the turret guns needing filling for the gun connection is also a little tilting, and the Spartan seems like something that really doesn't need to be in so many parts.
>>97457595>You can stack 1000 space marines with blast templates never touching more than 1 modelOf course you can retard, just space them 2" apart>coverWorks both ways, and the vigilators have the longer range and are faster. You can literally just infinitely kite the archmagos without them getting so much as a shot off.
>>97457614also, since you're entirely a mental retard, vigilator gun is dmg1 when moving. So your numbers are wrong by a factor of about 400% when you've both gotten the conversion beamer numbers entirely wrong and imagined a fantasy where you can have 30 vigilators hunting down 1 magos to kill him without having to take a step somehow. It's very clear you've never actually played even one match of horus heresy.
>>97457703>vigilator gun is dmg1 when movingUnless you crit on a 4+. Which is where most of your damage comes from anyways.
>>97457409I've seen pics of people complaining the tanks aren't going together properly with massive bits of the gate still attached to the mating surfaces
>>97457703>30 vigilators hunting down 1 magos to kill him without having to take a step somehow.Thats easy, they have a much longer range on their guns than the conversion beamer the magos has. Read the rules dumbfuck.
>>97457710it literally takes more shots to kill the archmagos than it takes the archmagos to kill the vigilator. And that's leaving out the 4 healed every turn (which with 4++ and 5+++ is akin to 12 wounds healed per turn on a normal model)
>>97457740>it literally takes more shots to kill the archmagos than it takes the archmagos to kill the vigilator.It takes the archmagos infinite turns to kill the vigilator if the vigilator moves, because the vigilator outranges the magos and is faster than the magos. >And that's leaving out the 4 healed every turnBecause it doesent matter, because you can just focus fire them down until they die.
>>97457710shows how braindead people in /HHG/ are when they think a dmg2 hitting on 4+ with 0.7 average wounds per turn is going to beat 4 healed per turn somehow. Literal retarded children in here. Vigilator would literally never kill archmagos.It would be understandable if it was some close comparison, but it's not. This dumb faggot thinks a vigilator is somehow primarch strength because he can't do the slightest bit of math and doesn't know how a heavy dmg1 gun works.
>>97457740Don't you have to choose between repairing using battlesmith or firing?
>>97457757You cant heal dead models gamelet. You can just shoot at any given archmagos until they die, and then they stay dead no matter how many battlesmiths you have.
This argument is retarded.Lets talk about something else please.
>>97457808Agreed. I don't understand how a discussion about bionics lore devolved into a theoryhammer shit flinging contest in the first place.
>doing my dad will beat your dad fights >when the whole point of why mechanicum HQs are so good is that they'll wipe the floor with any marine champion or praetor WHILE making their body guard unit of automata or cyborgs 25-33% better in some capacity >and you can do this across your entire army, with units that are already heavily stat boosted in most areas compared to marines >and also they can repair them to negate any damage to any model they don't focus fire >not even getting to the fact that budding up with a toughness boosted thanatar makes every sniper and thunder hammers wound on 6sDo not fall for the folly of the fallible astartes magos. The greatest asset of the priesthood of mars is our knowledge and our taghmata. Grind the meatbags to dust under the divine machine.
>>97457808I wish fat macca did 8mm versions of his stls.
