I'm not sure if I'm being a bit sensitive here, but fuck it.We're playing a Wolfenstein-themed game, using the Pulp Cthulu rules (i.e. Our characters were teleported to Nazi-occupied America and must find a way home).The thing is that we haven't run into any actual *German* Nazis, and we've only been fighting Americans the entire time.It's just really weird and off-putting that we haven't seen an actual 'Nazi', it's all other Americans who are part of the regime.I asked the GM, but he said "It's 20 years after WWII, there aren't that many actual Germans in America".How do I say, like, this honestly feels more like domestic terrorism than actually fighting the regime. I don't think we've actually MET a German fascist.
>>97466844You're a cuckold goyim for even playing in a campaign where you fight Nazis
>>97466858It's a pulp game! Of course we're fighting Nazis!
>>97466844>pictured: not an "actual" naziIf this is bait it's a peculiar sort. Kudos.
>>97466858Why are you like this, /pol/?
>>97466914No I mean we're not fighting Germans
>>97466918drain bamage
>>97466844That seems about par for the course. It's Current Year, "Nazis" is now just a code word for "people who disagree with me politically" and "Fighting Nazis" is a code word for "revenge fantasy against all of the people who were more popular than me in high school." You'd probably have to go back at least ten years before "Fighting Nazis" meant "fighting a constant stream of Germans in black leather costumes who don't really demonstrate a discernable political ideology in actual practice either but yell 'Los! Los!' a lot" like I think you were expecting.>>97466914Unironically true; the minimum required investment that should be required to be counted as a member of a particular ideology is (if in charge) it constrains your decision-making to the point where you don't do something you otherwise want to because of your belief in the ideology, or (if not in charge) you show you're willing to side with the ideology over what would otherwise be your chain of command even in the face of punishment (e.g. going to jail if you're a conscientious objector). Hitler didn't feel any obligation toward being consistent with past Nazism and made it up as he went along, doesn't really have any instances of being talked out of a decision as insufficiently Nazi, would hand out un-Nazilike treatment to people he liked like his Jewish doctor, etc.
>>97466844There's no reason to think that, 20 years into a theoretical Nazi win, there wouldn't be a puppet regime populated mostly by Americans. There might be some Germans higher up, but looking at both history and current day America, there are plenty of people then and now who just cannot wait to bow down a kiss the first boot they see.
>>97467145What Nazis? There haven't been Nazis since WWII.
>>97467148No reason to assume that there also wouldn’t be a bunch of German soldiers marching around pissed off at how much they need to babysit the USA due to how many rebellions and armed forces keep popping up either.
>>97467145So fight em pussy. I wanna see you try and not get knocked out
>>97467154I mean they did it to France
>>97467154Isn't that exactly how we manage Germany right now? And Japan?
>>97467172>So fight em pussy. I wanna see you try and not get knocked out
>>97466858fippy bippyOP is baitherbs
>>97467233>>97467242Just saying that it’s a game and that either state is reasonable to assume.
>>97466975So? Nazism is a political ideology and doesn't have anything to do with where you're from. The most famous nazi of all time wasn't even german.
>>97467548Well, to play devils advocate if I was promised a game where you fight nazis and instead of "MEIN LIBEN" guys I got guys who listen to rush limbaugh I too would be like wtf
>>97466844>this honestly feels more like domestic terrorism than actually fighting the regimeI mean you said the Americans you’re fighting ARE a part of the Nazi regime. Local collaborators are an essential part of any takeover. So unless you’re attacking civilians, I’m not sure what the issue is
>>97467977I think it's basically what >>97467561 said. Like OP's group is all "we wanted to shoot the Nazis, not just Nazi collaborators"
>>97466914Austrians are Germans. National socialist German workers party and all. Assuming OP isn't just bait this is good:>>97467990
>>97467990This. What I mean is, literally EVERYONE is a collaborator. We nearly got killed by Green Berets with swastikas. The group's dynamite-throwing private dick was shot by a police officer with Nazi armband, it's not what I was expecting.
>>97468183Bring it up to your dm again, and emphasize he's buried the lead on what the game was supposed to be about. Either you take the fight to nazi bases and start killing himler and goebbels to decapitate their governing body, or you get a new dm.
>>97468183lol, yeah that's kinda ridiculous
>>97468195Not that guy, but how so? Like, if America has adopted Nazi ideology, the entire army consists of Nazis now.The police, the FBI, the CIA are all Nazis. Every alphabet agency has collaborators.
>>97468213Just the whole "everyone is collaborators" seems a bit silly. The Vichy regime in France was a thing, but they were a small minority that was hated by most of the country, and resistance from both political left and right was present all over the place.
>>97468224According to OP, it's been twenty years. An entire generation has grown up knowing nothing but Nazi rule.
>>97466844>How do I say, like, this honestly feels more like domestic terrorism than actually fighting the regime. I don't think we've actually MET a German fascist.Yes, obviously? In the Cold War Eastern Europeans rarely saw the Russians who were enslaving them, most of the local enforcement was done by traitors serving the local puppet government. Poles fighting for the Soviet occupation government are still communists just like Americans fighting for the Nazi occupation government are still Nazis, you're either baiting or not very smart.
>>97468195It felt really egregious to me. He asked us for our papers, the private eye showed him his PI license and tried to bribe him, then the police officer tried to arrest him.When he ran away the cop started shooting, it was an insane escalation.
>>97468271...No, OP. That sounds reasonable.Your mistake was offering a bribe, that was stupid.
>>97468271If you commit a crime and run away you might get shot, its a police state dude.
>>97468271>When he ran away the cop started shootingSounds like a pretty realistic reaction for a US cop
>>97468242well that's because Russians were occupying all the good roles i.e. all positions of power with maybe an exception of the country "leader"
>>97468271Doesn't sound much different than real life USA.
>>97466844Collaborators and traitors are worse than foreign enemies and deserve even more cruel treatment. How can you commit terrorism against someone for whom death is a reward they should have to beg for?
>>97468536/pol/ bait tard.
>>97466844It's just Phillip K. Dick's Man in the High Castle. You're a very weird person for drawing the line for killing Nazis at only killing ethnic Nazis.
I mean if it's 20 years after the war, it would be terrorism whether you were killing Americans or Germans.At least depending on your definition of terrorism which is very nebulously defined. My preferred definition is>threats of violence outside of international diplomacy or violence outside of combat by organized, uniformed, openly armed forces against combatants, logistics, or command and control of another armed force within the rules of war to achieve social or political changeIt's worth noting that terrorism isn't necessarily "a bad thing" per se. Some camouflaged lone wolf assassin blowing the head off a dictator as he tours a death camp would be terrorism, but who gives a shit?
>>97468224>>97468231Compare Western Europe by 1965 after 20 years of US rule. There were (and still are) huge numbers of US troops on the continent, but most Europeans would never interact with them. They'd interact with the collaborators: local government, local cops, etc.Sure, there are a few dissidents here and there on the fringes (guys like Bader and Meinhof, leftover nazi/nationalist sympathisers, etc), but most everyone, and especially everyone who has been allowed into position of authority after the regime changes of the late 1940s, are now happily chugging along with coca cola and blue jeans.
>>97468333>nazism is when the police do stuffAnon, I...This applies in literally any state.
>>97468374>Russians were occupying all the good rolesI bet you think all the current "Russian" oligarchs are Russians too.
>>97466844Assuming this is real and not just /pol/bait, your GM is a libtard commiecuck playing out his violent antifa fantasies against LE CHEETO HITLER DOLAN DROOMPF through your campaign.You've basically been suckered into an idpol magical realm
>>97468591>ethnic NazisDo Americans really?
>>97468805I could've gone into judeocommunism but I preferred not to open this can of worms
It is so fucking sad and mind-numbing 90% of /tg/ is just this now. Dead board.
>>97468377Nah. In the USA, the bribe would have worked.And unless you want to look like a complete fucking dumbass, I don't recommend anyone trying to correct me on that.
>>97469107bribes work in every country across time, no matter what. the only consideration is how much money is being used in contrast with what is being done
>>97468798>This applies in literally any state.This may actually shock you, but first world countries actually require cops to only use lethal force when someone's in danger of death or grievous bodily injury. Not just cause you ran from an arrest.
>>97466844>Yeah, I'm all for fighting evil foreign totalitarian regimes!>Uhm... what do you mean it's our compatriots who are part of the evil regime this time?>I..I don't feel comfortable about this, I thought we're always the good guys?!American mentality in a nutshell. I'm certain in real life you would be the first to wholeheartedly support a totalitarian egime against "the enemies of the state" while being 100% convinced you're doing the right thing. It's probably bait and I hope it is for your sake.And you GM is doing perfectly sensible worldbuilding here, in a world where Nazis dominated other countries culturally and ideologically and put politicians who agreed with their ideas in positions of power, all countries and regions would be ruled more or less like Nazi Germany, their way of thinking would be normalised and the local population would be either indoctrinated or terrorised into supporting this. If you truly thing it's wrong, why does it matter who's doing the act?
>>97469149retarded /pol/ sperg, fuck off and die.
>>97469102Try 90% of the websiteSeems to get worse every time there's a Trump admin
>>97469120If the cop tells you to freeze and you keep running he can shoot you here, but the first shots are to be warning ones aimed high or at the ground. After those, if you're still running you're fair game.
>>97469918Warning shots don't exist>aimed highLmao holy shit, did you get this from a movie? Shooting into the air is like the worst and most illegal thing you can do with a gun. It's literally more defensible to kill someone than to fire off into the air
>>97469935Whatever you say.
>>97469918I think that is becoming more frowned upon in general due to the Saint Floyd Riots of Peace (pbuh), but it certainly used to be pretty widespread, particularly if the cop could argue that he thought you posed a danger by being on the loose (which is pretty easy to argue if you're a fleeing criminal).>>97469935>the whole world is my specific US state
>>97469165Arent you calling government employees Nazis right now?
>>97468808Dumbest post in this thread right now
>>97470239kill yourself /pol/tard.
>>97472604Please take it back to discord.gg/rockyhorrorpictureshow
>>97469918There is no such thing as warning shots. You use a gun when you're trying to kill someone.Next you'll tell me that cops should shoot someone in the arm or the leg to 'incapacitate' them.
>>97468271This seems like a fairly standard start to a combat encounter?
>>97468231yeah, this is why Poland were incredibly loyal to the communist cause.
>>97474028Not that guy, but if I didn't personally suffer under the regime I'd 100% support it. It's like sweatshops, it ain't my problem. The suffering actually gives me a little dopamine kick when I buy a new Iphone.
>>97472766fag.
>>97471054What, you mean your own?
It is the moral imperative of ALL freedom loving Americans, and all freedom-loving human beings so inclined, to STOMP NAZIS until they are a stain on the pavement.Oppose evil. Save democracy. FIGHT NAZIS.Here endeth the lesson.
>>97474604Damn straight. I'd also add communists to that list, because fuck those machiavellian assholes. Thankfully the American Communist Party is a joke, and the left boos them off the stage whenever they try to pull something. I'd have a lot more respect for modern conservatives if they'd do that with the neo-nazi fucks instead of constantly covering for them with "hurr durr you think everyone's a nazi!" No, I think the literal swastika-waving neo-nazis are nazis, whereas you I just suspect of being a nazi, because you're deflecting and pretending they're not there, instead of disavowing those faggots like any sane person should.
>>97474670It amazes me that siding with the Communists is still considered somewhat respectable, when Communists have literally done more harm to the world than the Nazis ever did.
>>97474702Commies come in two basic types, well-meaning fools, and the dangerous sociopaths who use them. The former can be treated like flat earth looneys, and generally are. Well, there's the third type, the college boy who's LARPing for rebel points to impress girls and will give it up in a few years, IE the most common one you'll find in the US. He's probably the primary reason people have stopped giving a shit since the USSR fell.
>>97469918>aim high or at the ground>because multi-story buildings and ricochet don't exist, you couldn't possibly shoot a bystanderRetard thinks life is a movie. You use your gun when you're trying to drop someone. For example, if a person drives their car into an arresting officer while trying to escape arrest, they've shown themselves to be a clear danger to others, and are currently operating a deadly weapon. lethal force is justified.
>>97474604>except for me, i'm gonna relax. but you guys need to get out there and do it now!
>>97474748It's 4chan, do you really expect any more?
>>97466844>>97468183>It's just really weird and off-putting that we haven't seen an actual 'Nazi', it's all other Americans who are part of the regime.>I asked the GM, but he said "It's 20 years after WWII, there aren't that many actual Germans in America".>How do I say, like, this honestly feels more like domestic terrorism than actually fighting the regime. I don't think we've actually MET a German fascist.so basically nu-wolfenstein and inglorious bastards but the GM missed the point of both and is just using the setting as a revenge fantasy porn like >>97467132 described.this is why if i was going to do pulpy alternate history WWII i'd go with golden age comics, resistance or COD zombies as an influence and just not touch the machinegames wolfensteins. hell, if we're doing "nazis won WWII" i'd just do pic related.>>97474670>I'd have a lot more respect for modern conservatives if they'd do that with the neo-nazi fucks instead of constantly covering for them with "hurr durr you think everyone's a nazi!">No, I think the literal swastika-waving neo-nazis are nazis, whereas you I just suspect of being a nazi, because you're deflecting and pretending they're not there, instead of disavowing those faggots like any sane person should.i feel the same way about furries & the LGBT community. i'd be more accepting/tolerant of them if the majority of them weren't either massive sex perverts or covering for said sex perverts by pretending they don't exist or giving some "hurp de derp" excuse for why they don't stomp out that behavior.
>>97474821In the case of the fags, it's like a carryover from fighting for tolerance and acceptance for multiple generations. It can be hard to live through all that and then turn around and say "this far and no farther, okay?" and shut the door behind you without feeling like you've become one of the pricks you fought. People can also start to feel like tolerance is universally good, when really, there has to be a line somewhere beyond which things are not okay. Furries just inherited that shit from the gays though.
>>97474717Honestly, a 'USSA' type game is one I've wanted to run for a long time, but my group is always doing fantasy.
>>97474702The Nazis set up a world in which Soviet style communism spread as far as it did.
>>97469918>If the cop tells you to freeze and you keep running he can shoot you here, but the first shots are to be warning ones aimed high or at the ground. After those, if you're still running you're fair game.What 4th world hellhole hasn't figured out bullets ricochet and what goes up must come down?
>>97475092do you think dropping a coin off a skyscraper kills people on the sidewalk below?
>>97470218>which is pretty easy to argue if you're a fleeing criminalThat hasn't been pretty easy to argue since 1985.>the whole world is my specific US stateI mean if you'd post where on earth this is the law, it would be easy to prove.
>>97475098>I don't know what a ballistic flight isFiring a gun straight up in the air is usually okay, but firing at a lower, arcing angle is liable to kill someone
killing nazis used to be the most uncontroversial thing you could do in a game, but you thin-skinned kraut-worshipping vice-signaling degenerates had to go and throw tantrums and now no one can have nice things
>>97475105a warning shot fired in the air, is straight up. I've never seen a depiction ever where its fired at a low angle.
>>97475098>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7996596/>People often celebrate holidays by firing guns into the air without realizing that this can cause serious injury or death. The present study identified 118 patients treated since 1985 who were hit with spent bullets. Most (77%) were hit in the head. The mortality rate was 32%, which is significantly higher than for all gunshot wound victims in general seen at the same medical center. Laws have been enacted to help prevent people shooting into the sky, but more education and enforcement are required to prevent these serious and preventable injuries.Firing into the air is explicitly outlawed in tons of places specifically because a bullet isn't a fucking penny.
>>97475114>I've never seen a depiction ever where its fired at a low angle.You've never seen a depicting where a warning shot is fired over someone's head? Really?
>>97475114"Aimed high" and "straight up" are two different things, and as >>97475116 says, you're legally not supposed to do either in most places
>>97475123Into a wall, at best., not off into a city skyline.
>>97475126Bullets can go through many walls. Or ricochet.
I think people overestimate how radical nazi idea were at the time, and in what ways they were considered radical. Madison Grant styled nordicism was mainstream in America and was a thing for the educated WASP upper class. Hitler drew much inspiration from the United States of America, modeled his racial policies off of the American racial policies with the negro, and based Drang Nach Osten off of Manifest Destiny. American propaganda at the time criticized the Nazis for being servile robotic cucks dying for an uncaring leader. They weren't criticized for being racist, and the propaganda touched on none of the jew shit because the American audience at the time would've gone "errrm, that's true doe?". The Nazis for there part seen America as a tragic case that just got subverted and occupied by the importation of a jewish threat they couldn't understand or contain. Their propaganda depicted that America would eventually tilt towards a non-white majority and the jews in hollywood would promote miscegenation between whites and blacks, diluting the racial stock and ensuring that jewish control would be made permanent. A Nazi occupied America wouldn't have many Germans around on the street. There were no shortage of potential collaborators because a significant portion of the population did agree with Nazi racial theories. And functionally life would change little from the FDR managerialism most of the Americans were used to during the war. It'd be like the eastern bloc, where local police and security services indoctrinated with the ideology do the actual counterterrorism, while the occupying troops all sit in an army barracks doing fuck all. That is unless actual riots and protests break out that threaten the stability of the puppet state. So yes, the GM is pretty on the nose with what's happening.
>>97475092Libtards. Libtards think life is a movie where leg shots are 100% guaranteed nonlethal blows and warning shots actually exist.
>>97475433fuck off back to /pol/, faggot
>>97469959>>97470218Go ahead and show me whatever shithole you're from that recommends shooting blindly into the air as a self defense strategy so I know to never visit.At least not without a bulletproof umbrella.
>>97475123If you're firing your gun at all without intent to hit your target, it's a negligent discharge since you could hurt someone else.
>>97473298>the whole world is my specific guntuber
>>97475441It's true though, whenever some groid gets got by a cop, the first argument is always about "nonlethal leg shots" as if there isn't a fucking femoral artery there
>>97475444>warning shots are totally standard procedure>that's why I can't cite it at all and resort to passive-aggressive cope greentexts
>>97474909>jews create communism in the 1800s>communist jews take over Russia in the 1910s>capitalist jews fund them>communist jews take over a variety of countries in the interwar period>capitalist jews fund them>nazis oppose this from 1933 to 1945>communist jews spend a few million goyim to crush the opposition>capitalist jews fund them>nAziS sEt uP a wOrLd iN wHiCh sOviEt sTyLe cOmMuNisM sPreAd
You never go full /pol/tard
>>97475267This anon gets it.
TN Note: "/pol/tard" means "guy I can't beat in an argument"
>>97475442>self defense strategyI thought the topic was police use of force? Warning shots and shooting fleeing criminals have nothing to do with self defense.>>97475462Nice goalpost shifting.If you haven't heard of a concept, the less embarrassing option for you is to google it before posting "there's no such thing".
>>97475482I accept your concession that you couldn't find anything
>>97466844Terrorism is when you go against the west. Here you're just being a heroic freedom fighter
>>97475543>most jewish post of the thread so farImpressive given all the other goyslop.
>>97475482>Nice goalpost shifting.That isn't a goalpost shift. You were explicitly asked to name a single fucking place where this bullshit is a thing.>>97475103>I mean if you'd post where on earth this is the law, it would be easy to prove.
>>97475433Counterpoint: Liberals hate cops and know warning shots aren't a thing cause cops don't even bounce rubber bullets like they're fucking supposed to.
>>97475560>That isn't a goalpost shift.Yes it is. You claimed there was no such thing as warning shots. That's the claim I countered. Now you're talking about standard procedures instead.>You were explicitly asked to name a single fucking place where this bullshit is a thing.Yes, after the goalpost shift, which is why I've ignored it.Concede that you were wrong, then we'll talk.
>>97475574>Now you're talking about standard procedures instead.The discussion was about standard procedures in the first fucking place.See>>97469120>>97469918Hell YOU fucking said as much IN THE POST I WAS FUCKING REPLYING TO.>>97475482>I thought the topic was police use of force?Also restating a claim isn't the same thing as providing evidence for it. You have literally not shown warning shots are a thing.
>>97475592Well shiiiet anon, I didn't know that you were every single one of these posters. I was having several compartmentalized conversations, hence the different (you)s and greentexts. You can't just mix them all together willy nilly.I'm going to untangle your mess. We cannot proceed with the topic until you concede that warning shots, are in fact, real and not something the original anon made up on the spot. I promise I'll provide you with some countries that allow for warning shots in their police use of force doctrines once this is done, since apparently you won't google it yourself. Then you can debate how useful or relevant or fashionable or prevalent they are if you like, with someone who cares to debate that (not me).
>>97475612>We cannot proceed with the topic until you concede that warning shots, are in fact, real and not something the original anon made up on the spot. I promise I'll provide you with some countries that allow for warning shots in their police use of force doctrines once this is doneOkay, it is a factoid that warning shots are real.So where are they real?
>>97475702I'm glad you agree.Now, next time you want a basic overview of something you're unfamiliar with, you can type it into a search engine or have an LLM do it for you. In this case, we'll use grok to compile a list:>Germany: Warning shots (known as Warnschuss) are permitted and regularly used. Police statistics consistently report dozens of warning shots annually (e.g., around 40–60 in recent years). Some state laws require or allow them before potentially lethal force, especially when verbal warnings may not be understood or effective. They are part of graduated response protocols, though tightly regulated to minimize risks.>Czech Republic: Warning shots are explicitly authorized and tracked in official statistics (e.g., 30–70 per year in reported periods). Police law requires shouted warnings followed by warning shots before firing shots that risk harm to persons, where feasible.>Netherlands: Warning shots are permitted under the Police Act and related instructions. They have been used in documented incidents (e.g., during riots or arrests), and court cases have considered their prior use in assessing force proportionality. Force must be preceded by a warning if possible, which can include shots.>Belgium: Police law explicitly allows warning shots as part of the warning process before using firearms against persons, unless ineffective due to circumstances. The 1992 Law on Police Function references warnings via loud voice or other means, including a warning shot.>Finland: Warning shots are documented in police firearm use statistics and appear in records of incidents. They form part of escalation procedures in some contexts, aligned with requirements for warnings before risk-involving shots.>Sweden: Warning shots (varningsskott) are permitted and have been used in real incidents (e.g., during riots or arrests, with reports of ricochet injuries). Police have fired them to disperse crowds or compel compliance, though not as a routine first step.
>>97475729>AI bullshitUse a real source.
>>97475451I'll repeat it for you, since you are too retarded to have read it the first time; fuck off back to /pol/, faggot. in addition, kill yourself.
>>97475729>NetherlandsThat summary is wrong. The police act says warning, not warning shot.
>>97475828I've never offered to provide you any German or Belgian legal documents, not that you'd know what to do with them. My entire point has been that warning shots are a real thing, which you have conceded and in exchange I offered to provide you with some countries in which this warning shots were considered part of the police use of force. That conversation is now over, given your concession.If you have an interest in the topic, you can now put on your big boy pants, and type into google>[country] "warning shot" and do your own research on your own time instead of begging to be spoonfed like a toddler. You'll get results like the one below.>>97475838https://nltimes.nl/tags/warning-shot
>>97475267>There were no shortage of potential collaborators because a significant portion of the population did agree with Nazi racial theories.all the "nazi punching' G.I.s that young lefties try to claim responded overwhelmingly that they'd rather lose the war than desegregate America. Man this is such a shit thread.
The resistance game is honestly the whale im chasing; The players fighting against an oppressive regime with seemingly endless ressources? Their greatest triumph being to stall evil and live another day? High Lethality, covert ops and gunblazing action?That'd be great, and right up my alley. But the both times I tried to run one, it failed. The first one was a game in occupied Paris (GURPS) and the players legit didn't have any clue how to resist and all tried to pull the game toward their idea of a resistance; One wanted to spread it with an underground newspaper, the other wanted to take down Nazis one by one, another tried to link up with the british for supports, but none of them wanted to help one another in their task.The other one was a 'modern Resistance in 2038 LA' (picrelated as the system) and died shortly after starting because one of the player (a student athlete) had to leave town for tournaments for a month, and the rest fell into exam season when she returned.I don't know if I got anymore in me to try again. Maybe it'll remain a dream. Would love to play one of those one day.
>>97476524What's the tech level like in the 2038 one? I find myself struggling to deal with high tech surveillance in a satisfying way in near future of sci-fi games.
>>97475833Kill me yourself, cowardly bitch. I jear you commies have a Pretti Good track record of that.
>>97475565>Liberals hate copsYet are the first to beg for authorities to silence and imprison their opposition, hypocrites that they are
>>97476677This. The cops are literally the only thing preventing the libs from being slaughtered. Do they really think Jamal and Mohammad will spare them?
>>97474858it's still cowardice at the end of the day and the primary reason why bigotry against them still exists.
>>97476669it's tiring to see these limp-wrists switch between the smug preschool-teacher tone when they want to feel morally superior and the KYS NAZI REEEEE when they want to pretend they're badass
>>97476568I hadn't had to think about it *too much*, and essentially went for the easy route of "a dramatic recession stalled most tech" (this did allow players during character creation to google for what they wanted to buy at HomeDepot/Walmart/Ikea) but the Americans had essentially disconnected themselves from the internet: All traffic went through Palantir™ 'Black Box'.An immense computer located in the Nevada Desert that essentially served as a sort of 'chinese great firewall' while feeding the american population with what they wanted to hear: Embarassing loss in the world cup? America actually won 10-1 against Brazil, Just look at this totally not AI Generated footage.I had imagined some lategame goal might be to blow up the great filter.
>>97477076Nice. I guess now that I think about it, tech stalled by economic crashes combined with decentralized white hats fucking with regime technology can allow a gm to handwave away whatever troublesome tech he wants and custom pick the tools still able to be used to suppress the population. Maybe I was just overthinking things before.
>>97475463I think I prefer regular “They didn’t do it and they did it was a good thing” apologia over the sniveling “G-g-guys we didn’t wanna start WW2, da Joos tricked you,” you guys got any of that on the menu?
>>97478813Who are you quoting, schizo?Starting wars against your existential enemies who want to make you lick the dust off of their feet and use you as a footstool is a good thing.
>>97476817>>97476669no one cares about you enough to do more than telling you to fuck off, don't feel proud about it, dumb faggots.
>>97479140then do something instead of just demanding internet strangers do it for you. you're tough, after all
>>97476399A 1945 poll revealed that 14% of Americans wanted to exterminate the entire Japanese race as a punishment for the war. Not just occupy their country, but total genocidal eradication similar to what the Nazis were doing to the Jews. Another significant portion wanted to permanently dismantle Japan as a political entity. The entire Pacific theater of the war was a race war, and was fought of racial terms. The Japanese for their part racially humiliated the captured white Australian soldiers in front of the colonial troops to get the message across that the racial hierarchy is now reversed. Even the Korean war was discretely a racial conflict, and the Chinese intervention was done out of racial anxieties. North Korea still to this day is a racially supremacist state similar to Nazi Germany, who forces Korean women who carry non-korean children to get abortions. So much of what people know about World War II and the mentality of the time comes from the post war consensus. Even in the 1950s nobody really gave a shit about the holocaust or nazi racism.
>>97479451Correct, Americans hated nazis because they were our enemies in a war, and that's the only reason.
>>97479460>>97479451>>97479157>>97479144>>97479140Can y'all niggas quit the /pol/ posting and get back to /tg/ shit? some of us got games here.like hotdamn y'all got two boards to be arguing this shit out.
>>97466844>like, this honestly feels more like domestic terrorism than actually fighting the regime.This explains a lot about ANTIFA. And I mean A LOT. It's not terrorism, unless it's the right target. A train of logic used through history from the Taliban to Pompeii loyalists. At twenty years, most people with real beef against the Nazis died a long time ago so no shit you're dealing with a strong regime that subjected the population to literal decades of indoctrination. The America you know is long gone. So ANTIFags realizing they're massacring the 'oppressed' and getting mind blown when the Black Gestapo shoot at them is a good idea for a plot.>>97467148>>97467242That's exactly what would happen. A regime like this lasting twenty years would imply that the 'resistance' got dismantled or fell apart from sheer attrition. The Joes that fought in WWII are old and gray; they got bills to pay and mouths to feed. At this point, the only ones who would still care are the Jews and that's for existential reasons. Everyone else has jobs to take care of. In the hands of a competent writer, you could seriously craft some bleak fiction with authoritarianism and the relative indifference of human society towards who rules it.>>97474821>i'd be more accepting/tolerant of them if the majority of them weren't either massive sex perverts or covering for said sex perverts by pretending they don't exist or giving some "hurp de derp" excuse for why they don't stomp out that behavior.Yeah. I witnessed the movement go from equal rights to... Trying to normalize every fucked-up fetish under the sun. Pedo activism is notoriously widespread in these circles.
>>97476684A/C/W Round 2 would be a disaster for the lefties. >JamalThose 'revolutionary communes' will be ran by bangers in a week. The 'people's defense force' would just be a bunch of gangers looting nearby suburbs before turning out towards rural communities once the food and women run out. Pillaging and looting everything like they're in the goddamn Middle Ages. >Mohammad The Muslims wouldn't put up with the commies. Their real threat would come from latinos when New York eventually runs out of blondes and they start looking 'locally' for 'war trophies.'
>>97479489It's just giving some historical perspective. Most Americans wouldn't regard the Nazi occupiers as this big reprehensible evil. And similar to how after Hitler died the Germans became disillusioned with the National Socialist system, America being occupied by the Nazis would prove in the eyes of the people that democracy is weak and a failed system. Being mostly of aryan racial stock, the Americans would also be elevated pretty highly in the Nazi system. They'd be empowered to complete manifest destiny and fully aryanize all of the Americas, similar to what Stoddard predicted in "The rising tide of color". The French resistance in Nazi occupied France were mostly communists, who were despised by the French public even more than the Vichy collaborators and the Nazis. If you want a historic big-bad for the era, you have to turn to the Soviet Union, which in the early 20th century had a reputation on the level of ISIS. Any resistance in a Nazi occupied America would be filled with religious kooks, radical libertarian goldbugs, ethnic minorities or communists, and they'd be mostly despised by the general public and hated. Basically, America of the 1940s was much closer to Nazi Germany than the America of today. The ideals of the founders of America are closer to Nazi racial theories than the colorblind multiculturalism you see today.
>>97479560no, faggotfuck off.
>>97479560>religious kooksOP's DM would have a meltdown when he realized that the most resistive to the Nazis are... Probably the type that knocks on his door, asking to talk about the lord. And it's passive resistance Himmler could care less about. Kind of hard to worry about Jehova's Witnesses when you got Tcho-Tcho, Simba, Narcos, Vietcong, and Mujahideen causing problems. >radical libertarian goldbugsOh yeah. Most discontentment would probably come from the extremely wealthy who chafe under a more centralized economic system. The PCs are more likely to find the antisemitic soma orgy porgy loving Ford giving them money because his business got partly nationalized.>ethnic minoritiesThe big two being Mexicans and Blacks. The former who were getting courted by Germany in the past (La Raza is just a browner form of Aryanism), and the latter... Holy crap. If the American south pissed the Fuher off, you'd get pic related.
>>97479578>Southern Democrats are ironically the most Anti-Nazi due to their guy getting blown to bits.>Nazis find a crap load of resistance in the south by whites.>Heavy casualties.>Notice blacks doing nothing in the corner.>"Hmm... Heinrich, I think ze filthy untermenschen could be useful. Why are we fighting in worthless swamps anyway?">"Da, mine fuher. Let's have ze filthy subhumans kill each other off!">"It's settled then, Black Gestapo!">"Heil Hitler!"*Twenty years later*>Goldstein opened the door.>"Hey snowflake, we got a tip there's some poz here. Ya jive?"
>>97479597kino
>>97479560I don't get why that buttmad guy is hating on your post. What you're saying is historical fact. Hell, quite a few Americans were downright skeptical of democracy in the 40s and totalitarian sentiments were more common then than now. >>97479597I'd play that game. I'd fund that game. Even if the mechanics sucked, that'd be a hilariously good time. Racist white southern freedom fighters vs nazbol jews and blacks would be a hoot.
>>97479629>I don't get why that buttmad guy is hating on your post.because he thinks facts that don't align with The Progress™ should be censored.
>>97479629>Racist white southern freedom fighters vs nazbol jews and blacksSurely there are already american civil war games
>>97479489Yeah manGotta get back to bumpfagging and spamming puckee slop amirite, fellow ally?
>>97479547I mean that's pretty much what happened in CHAZ, a rapist SoundCloud rapper (Raz Simone) declared himself warlord.
>>97479560Yeah, this sounds pretty much correct. Most of the Americans from that era would be considered the alt-Right today. Shit if they saw what was going on today, they'd turn around and join the Nazis, guaranteed.
This shit sounds like modern conservatives have somehow absorbed retard-leftist "histories" from the 90s and now believe that horseshit without question.>Yo man, before the civil rights movement in the 60s, everybody in the USA was SUPER FUCKIN' RACIST, no exceptions!I mean, there's some truth in it, but you guys are way overstating the case.
>>97480141Zora Neal Hurston writing about what she believed a race war would look like if it were to happen in the South:>If ever it came to the kind of violent showdown the orators hint at, you could count on all the Colonel Carys tipping off and protecting their John Harpers; and you could count on all the John Harpers and Aunt Sues to exempt their special white folk. And that means that pretty nearly everybody on both sides would be exempt, except the "pore white trash" and the "stray niggers," and not all of them.- SERMON: The "Pet Negro" System, ZNH 1943IE most of the South on both sides would be saying "Wait, you can't shoot him, he's one of the good ones!" Which is hilarious to me, but real history is much more weird and complex than people think.
>>97480141It's a verifiable fact that GI overwhelmingly responded they'd rather lose the war than desegregate. People weren't frothing at the mouth racist, they just didn't want to live around black people. What specific claims do you think are way overstated?
>>97480255For starters, the idea that segregation = racism to the southern mind of the era. Most of its supporters of the period would say it was about preserving southern tradition and culture. "Separate but equal" wasn't just some hollow lie they told the north, they generally believed in it, up until the civil rights movement kinda rubbed their noses in it.
>>97480274and who are you disagreeing with by saying that?
>>97480274>they generally believed in it, up until the civil rights movement kinda rubbed their noses in itMost people used euphemisms and don't like to be rude. Apartheid South Africa also barely hedged their white supremacist system in racial terms, and instead made out it was about preserving "unique cultures" and fighting communism. Part of why they lost the argument in the long run is because they caved into the liberal framing and couldn't make their racialism explicit.But many people back then were operating under the same premise as the nazis, that racial proximity would lead to racial amalgamation, which would lower the capacity for civilization. The idea being that interracial marriage dragged society towards the dumb class. If you read what mainstream writers thought about race at the time, you'll see that they were warning of a Latin American situation developing in the United States due to the mixing of the blood. This was before sub-replacement birthrates at a time where there was still a struggle for resources, so they thought that the races and nations that didn't maintain the purity of their blood would be exterminated over a long enough time frame. Similar to what happened to the American Indians. Many were actually predicting Latin America would either be re-aryanized or occupied and replaced by the Mongoloids. The big difference was the nazis really emphasized race harder and leaned more into the Malthusian Social Darwinism. They thought the racial struggle for survival would keep on ratcheting up as the world got more populated, and the groups that didn't get territory and resources would be killed off and exterminated. It's why they fought the war with such apocalyptic fury, and why so many of the nazi leaders killed themselves at the end of the war.
>>97480396>The idea being that interracial marriage dragged society towards the dumb class.they turned out right>they thought that the races and nations that didn't maintain the purity of their blood would be exterminated over a long enough time framethey turned out right>They thought the racial struggle for survival would keep on ratcheting up as the world got more populated, and the groups that didn't get territory and resources would be killed off and exterminated.they turned out right
>>97479157>still just imagining entire posts that don't exist
>>97479560>the Germans became disillusioned with the National Socialist systemAmerica imposing a chinese-style social credit system that prevented wrongthinkers from having jobs and sent people to reeducation camps probably had a bit of an impact too.
>>97480274Racism is a modern made up word invented by a small hat. Preserving one's own ethnos is the most normal drive one can have, and any number of policies can be utilized to do so, whether they are segregation, apartheid, deportation or lampshades. It's all "racism", and it's all the most bog standard social-mammal-behavior there is. Even chimps ethnically cleanse their territories of rival chimp tribes.
>>97480274>they generally believed in it, up until the civil rights movement kinda rubbed their noses in itMotherfucker, if you'd have told a white southerner he's equal to a Black man, you'd have been shot back then.>https://segregationinamerica.eji.org/segregationists#fullThese people's words were fucking recorded for posterity, genius.
>>97476677>Yet are the first to beg for authorities to silence and imprison their oppositionSince when do the authorities silence or imprison the opposition of liberals? What world are you living in? Turn on the fucking news.
>>97479560>And similar to how after Hitler died the Germans became disillusioned with the National Socialist systemThey became disillusioned with jack shit. They were politically broken, forced to undergo reeducation, and even then most Nazi supporters remained so until they fucking died. That's what happened. The worst ones died off.
Any of y'all ever considered running a Liberal crime squad inspired game?
>>97480443>Racism is a modern made up word invented by a small hat.... Don't the small hats have their own ethnic state which they viciously maintain through pogroms and sterilization?
>>97481130shut it down
>>97481130nationalvanguard.org/2015/05/the-origins-of-the-word-racism/
>>97480202I mean shit, didn’t even Hitler do that with his Jewish family doctor?
>>97466867>It's a /pol/p game! Of course we're fighting Nazis!
>>97481622Nazis, Commies, pirates and vicious aliens are all easy fodder for a pulp game, don't be daft
>>97481618Emil Maurice, his SS driver and bodyguard also got a pass. It's almost as if Hitler was a lot less cartoonishly genocidal than he is portrayed.
>>97481661>vicious aliens are all easy fodder for a pulp gameThat's highly offensive to the vicious alien community.
>>97481758Emile had ONE Jewish great-grandad, and only got his exception because of being close friends with Hitler. I don’t think that really makes up for the other people the Nazis killed for Jewish ancestry that weren’t lucky enough to be Hitler’s BFF.
>>97481130small percentage of the global population, please understand o:^)
>>97481980>only got his exception because of being close friends with HitlerYeah no shit, you retarded bot, that's the topic.
>>97481618Not really, the "pet negro" system was a huge thing all across the south. It was responsible for a big middle class, and a small upper class of well-heeled blacks who lived in ritzy black neighborhoods and drove fancy imported cars and were doctors and judges and shit. It was all down to the weird position that Southern people were stuck in -- segregation was a tradition that must be upheld, but at the same time, avowed racism of the "I hate niggers" type was widely seen as a mark of the toothless morons who were courted by the most shameless sort of politician. You couldn't get anywhere in polite society if you didn't both disavow that kind of thing while also supporting the status quo. (It's worth noting those poor morons were among the first to get drafted because they had zero connections to skate with) So the minute you started to get out of poverty and climb up into the very lowest rungs of the white society, you needed to become the patron of a black person, who you could brag about at parties. Then you could say "Of course I support segregation, because you have to keep the bad ones in line. But if the negros were all like [insert black friend here] I'd be the first in line to support them!" People paid to put their black friend through college and get them good jobs and shit so they could say theirs was better than the other guy's. If the black friend's son got into an accident, the white folks would call in favors to get the judge to hush it up so there wouldn't be a scandal. And it ran both ways, if the white folk's son was running around the bad part of town gambling and fooling around with black prostitutes or something, the black friend and his family would get on the white folks to straighten him out before a scandal dropped both of their standings. Like they were tied at the hip. Pro- and anti-segregationists would sweep all this crazy shit under the rug, for various strategic reasons.
>>97482424Let me rephrase; I don’t think sparing folks he was close from the system he helped create makes him less “cartoonishly genocidal” in any meaningful sense.
>>97482892This, lol"What, you're only one eighth Jewish? Okay, I guess I can make a personal exception for you, my close personal friend, and not have you hauled away and murdered by my goons!" -- Totally Not Cartoonishly Genocidal
>>97482892>>97482948>literal nuance doesn't introduce nuance
>>97483022Let's see: Genocidal, check. Acting like a cartoon character, check. Yep, that's "cartoonishly genocidal," chief. The "nuance" you're talking about only serves to enhance the cartoonish part.
>>97483043see >>97483022
>>97483157You can keep saying that all you want, it doesn't change anything. Missing a few here and there doesn't stop a genocide from being a genocide. And I can totally see like a tasteless John Kricfalusi sketch where Mister Hitler does his driver Emile a BIG favor by NOT having him murdered, and Emile has to thank him and say what a good guy he is, while sweating profusely. It's not just cartoonish, it's downright ludicrous.
>>97483184<literal nuance doesn't introduce nuance>it doesn't change anythingcase in point
>>97483224>but see, he's a NUANCED cartoonishly genocidal dictator!
>>97483043>Acting like a cartoon character, check.
I wonder what Nazi America would look like, anyway.>Reichkommissariat Nord Amerika>Reichkommissariat Pacifika>>97479578>>97479597>Republic of New Africa The Nation of Islam kept around as an even more screwed up patsy to Himmler's reich. Goddamn, the SS NOI alliance would be WEIRD.
>>97483043>Libs are unable to describe history without devolving into child-babbleHe wasn’t cartoonish. What cartoon are you comparing him to?
>>97486936>He wasn’t cartoonish
I just don't believe anyone capable of real thought believes hitler was "cartoonishly evil." A country of tens of millions of people do not get revitalized by and steadfastly support the actions of "cartoonishly evil" dictators. You can't hold this belief without thinking that the population of Germany itself was "cartoonishly evil." Of course history is full of "cartoonishly evil" figures, they operate in the shadows because public attention would see them forced to flee at best and lynched at worst. I get that ww2 mythos are the foundation of modern western society, but you have to be really deep in the hylic hole to think Hitler was unusually evil among historical figures.This is a shit thread.
>>97487698>muh sheeple v3.0Opinion discarded
>>97487698>You can't hold this belief without thinking that the population of Germany itself was "cartoonishly evil."Well the tiny hat tribe broadly considers them Esau, Edom and/or Amalek, which are literally evil for no reason at all other than to oppose jews according to Yahweh's divine plan until the jews finally take over the word and "blot out" Amalek.Note the same language was used by Bibi and several top officials for the special real estate operation in Gaza.
>>97488053I understand that, but maintain that no one everyone arguing with such immaturity that Hitler was some unique bad guy, having fallen entirely into the propaganda grasp of the tiny hats, are capable of real thought. They don't even know that they're simply a little lower on the amalek list or intended for cattle-duty.
>>97488222>uniqueNobody said that, retard
>>97483022>Yes, he ordered the slaughter of children, but, y’know, he let some of his buddies go. Betcha the Jews didn’t tell ya that, hm?Consider the fact that Emile even NEEDED Hitler to cover for him in the first place. What if they weren’t friends? A loyal party member would’ve been purged on account of a single Jewish great-grandad.
