Previous: >>97458611>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQWhat's a land you feel more people should play?
>TQ:
>>97466900>TQThey need to reprint this fucker already, I never got a foil when my friend and I were cracking JP boxes for Liliana and now it's stupid expensive
>>97466912Wait, this is actually really good. Why doesn't this enter tapped?
in every deck
>>97466900
>>97466900I miss gA edition
>>97466900>TQIf you're in black, and care anything about getting commander damage/triggers in, then there is no reason not to be playing this. It's expensive now, but I still hardly see it.
I have nearly killed myself with it when I got mana screwed, but the haste really can be make or break.
>>97466900>TQBasics, unironically. I should not get as many free wins with Price of Progress as I do.
Pathway lands. Come in untapped in whatever colour you need.
>>97467008>>97466574>>97466630>>97466653>>97466657>>97466724Thanks for advice last thread guys. I think I'm just take those cards to my locals and sell them for store credit, then figure out what deck to play.
>>97467032I'm biased because it was my first deck but pirate tribal is fun and decently strong.It also has a precon that is very cheap as a base and cheap to upgrade.
>>97467066>PiratesEh. Are there any Wizard decks? Or mages?
>>97467139Wizards is a pretty robust creature type with lots of options. Personally if that's what you like I'd recommend Kuja.
>>97467150and the back side
>>97467139or if you'd rather focus less on damage and more on control then I like Azami
Managed to snag the Mothman secret lair. I want to make him; what should I add? I want to focus on counters and mill of course.(I wanted to just buy the precon but I'm not spending $200 on maybe $90 in cards)These are just cards I happened to have in my binder, haven't sifted through my bulk yet.https://archidekt.com/decks/19474850/moth_man_owned_cards
>TQ
>>97467150>the best wizard commanders aren't mono bluei fucking hate wizards of the coast
>>97467150wotc has some weird takes on things.Shaman tribal rocks
>>97467150>>97467152>>97467163What about from Bloomburrow? I really like the art from those cards. Teferi or Jace? Is that too basic? I recognize Jace as the poster boy for the game.
>>97467204Planeswalkers can't be commanders unless it says on their card that they can.
>>97467204Otter from that set seem wizard-y to me
>>97467166Underground sea. Also, chains of mephistopheles.
>>97467204Alaina might be the one for you then
>>97467152
>>97467222The squirrels are cooler than the otters.
There's a couple cards this deck could still use if I really wanted to perfect it, but for the time being I think I'm finally content with leaving it as-is. I'm pleased with how many decision trees there are deckbuilding-wise for Errant & Giada, even when you're focused on flash.
>>97467166edhrec is that way lil bro
>>97467236Trees are green anon, I dont see any.
>running a Bill Ferny deck with Urza in the 99 as a stealth commander
>>97467240it's a precon commander, it's 80% just the precon cards
>>97467266Yes.
>cheap (mana) >cheap (money) >unblockable >rogue>looter >with upsideBut is it worth introducing day and night into a game just for this?
>>97467219>>97467222>>97467235Something I'm also interested in is playing a lot of cards that feature art of my Commander, what kind of decks can I do that in?
>>97467282Donatello
>>97467266use the deck filters
>>97467282Spider-man
>>97467282...the UB precons, honestly. Magic doesn't really have lore or story or noteworthy characters. Most named characters might appear on 2-3 cards in a set, if even that.
>>97466917My brother; I think we were separated at birth. >TQ survivors camp in my ‘Kalamax: Oops what spells?’ Is a powerhouse staple and part of the permanent 50/100. Emergence Zone is the other; but admittedly it’s close to being cut when I’ve got stuck on 1 fetchland 1 emergence zone after mulligans.
>>97467297NTA, have you tried Arcane Denial in Kalamax? I go back and forth on it being useful tech or too cute. In theory when Kalamax is tapped you Arcane Denial any spell someone casts, then the copy targets your Arcane Denial. Copy resolves first, you draw three cards on the next upkeep for 1U at instant speed.
>>97467282You could do one of the flip planeswalkers that start out as a creature and theme the deck around them, but unlike yugioh archetypes the cards won't necessarily be designed to work together.
>>97467281Introducing day/night is also upside, anon. It annoys other people.
retro or booba lady? or 1x of each?
>>97467331retro booba
>>97466900>tqHomeward Path nigga. Theftshit is cancer and gay.
>>97467351woops forgot image
>>97467356yeah this doesnt do it for me at all
>>97467166>coming to a mtg thread to discuss deck buildingsorry anon, this threads just for batching about UB and black people on trading cards
>>97467365Fuck that, let's talk deck building.If I'm going to be a supreme dickwad and run Eldrazi, what's the best way to do it? Zhulodok as the commander with tons of ramp/rocks and all the big nasty titans? Or smaller Eldrazi with Ulalek to copy spam them?
>>97467166You don't want greaves, shroud makes you unable to put counters on mothman. Consuming aberration doesn't count as mill for triggering mothman.I usually find that mothman grows fast enough without needing much dedicated +1+1 counter or proliferate support. He's kill on sight, so I prefer to put in more protection for him.Syr Konrad belongs in any deck with mindcrank.Cards with flashback or other ways to recur themselves are your friend.Tinybones Joins Up, Alter of the Brood, the crabs, and those enchantments that make people mill when you draw a card are good ways to get repeated mill outside of radiation. And whenever mothman comes up I like to mention my personal spicy pick. Mothman can target your opponents' creatures.
>>97467283>>97467289But Wizards...>>>97467293>Magic doesn't really have lore or story or noteworthy characters. Most named characters might appear on 2-3 cards in a set, if even that.That sucks.
>>97467387Also meant for >>97467314
>>97467166Basking BroodscaleDuskshell CrawlerCursed WombatWinding ConstrictorBred for the HuntBenthic BiomancerFathom MageRipples of PotentialWave GoodbyeDrown in the LochBasking BroodscaleThose are some cheap cards that come to mind.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97467371Neither. Run the titans as a payoff in a mystic forge style deck, preferably blue, so you can also use crazed tutors for complicated nonsense. Alternatively, in a KCI deck run glaring fleshraker to make tons of eldrazi AND burn people AND play more eldrazi.
>>97467443>glaring fleshrakerI love that dude like you wouldn't believe.>cheap>pings the table >give you chump blockers or more mana>can be copied by Ulalek and Echoes of Eternity
>>97467293>>97467387it didn't use to be like this, when we had blocks there was room to show the fewer legendaries doing stuff. the narrative was shifting towards planeswalkers doing things either way, because they're the only thing the narrative designers had between blocksyou can use the tagger site to check what cards have art of what characters. alania is not on any other cards, though there is an "alania's <whatever>" other card. https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/artwork/alania
>>97467311Of course! it’s in the pool of instants I pick random 50 out of, you don’t have to wait til an opponent casts, you can cast a non-instant spell and hold priority and cast arcane denial on your own spell; doing as you said to draw the 3, it’s good to do after an extra turn spell so you refill with gas before your next big turn. It can be a cheeky uncounterable (more or less) counterspell in a pinch with a huge downside obviously but, I’ll take an opponent drawing 2 over resolving an entwined Tooth and Nail. Have you played Vivi’s Persistence in Kalamax?? HOLY MOLEY. It’s so strong I want to make it part of the core 50 but that breaks the central theme so can’t do it. My theme is 49 non instants 50 instants, and all instants shuffled from a pool of idk how many now it’s almost 2/3 a fat pack box. Deck is perfect in my opinion as far as interactive and fun to play but I admit, I wish I had fewer foreign cards as playing the deck feels a little schizophrenic at times. And yes it’s completely biased, opinion based and entirely correct. Mono Green Thrun the Last Troll Voltron is my secret deck don’t tell anyone.
>>97467463Want my secret technology? Run him with genesis chamber. Every colourless spell will ping twice and make two bodies.
>>97467484Sorry, doesnt ping twice, I have more secret technology, but it does make 2 dudes.
>>97467477I remember they tried doing something like that with Core Set 19 (?) with Chandra.
>>97467477It's still a thing, depending on the legendary in question.https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Akellan
>>97467495they did it with all the poster planeswalkers. chandra as a type does ultimately have the most direct support of all the walkers, at the seeming end of all that.
>>97467480I haven't updated the deck beyond one or two odd cards in years, so I'm not up to speed on the new instants. That definitely looks very good for the deck but the only card UB card I've been willing to play is Out of the Tombs.These are what I'm running currently, but I might swap Ashling's Command over Prismari Command because making a copy of Kalamax to save him from removal sounds funny. Unexpected Assistance is also interesting just because convoke lets Kalamax be tapped in cases where combat isn't safe, but I already have Springleaf Drum and Sorcerer Class for that.
>>97467495It was 20
>opponent drops his BBC (pic related) onto the table before the game startsHow do you react?
>>97467331>classic kino or the most trooncore UBIs there even a choice? Old border every time.
>>97467540where are his nipples
>>97467331Robots
>>97467540If we are playing bracket 3 politely tell him to go to another table because he's obviously playing bracket 4 mld.
>>97467577How is Windgrace MLD?
>>97467586I've played against Windgrace since 2018. It's always been mld. If a Windgrace player plays Mending of Dominaria, just know that you're about to get mld'd. Strip mine loops also do it.
>>97467616the only MLD in mine is Planetary Annhilation
>>97466900>>TQ>What's a land you feel more people should play?The extra turn land
I HATE MODERN HORIZONSI HATE MODERN HORIZONS
>>97467626I do as well but it gave me Grist so I have to cut it at least a little slack
Trees in the mail today. Have to finish making Garland, Royal Kidnapper first though.
>>97467653Fuck you
>>97467510All seems good to me, mana leak seems a little weak. An offer you can refuse would be easy upgrade imo if you need counter magic, or Giantfall also good, gets rid of whatever you need to attack in or the ensnaring bridge
>>97467662Why?
>>97467653>left is WBG>right is BGWThis is bothering me
>>97467681lorywn was the last set with wonky ordering before shards of alara codified how shards and wedges should appear on cards
>>97467669Mana leak is mostly there as a cheap counter before I have a value engine online that still benefits from being doubled, but Giantfall is also reasonable and I've got one laying around. Good callout.
>currently building my first mono red EDH deck>have no idea which commander it will be>just throwing down cards and sorting them out by category>trying to narrow down to 61-62Wish me luck, bros.
>>97467653hey my mail showed up as well
This is what I currently have bought so far for the commander deckhttps://moxfield.com/decks/IKXVilvf5EG0bZdiXmv24wAnd this is the list of cards I could buy to complete the deck (all suggestions welcome, as I'm lacking black cards or maybe there better options that I don´t know)https://moxfield.com/decks/SvlTVuQps0aSWI6kq4qNGAI am having doubts on what to cut on the list, as there are many cards that I could use, but idk which ones would be the best for the deck ...and I still need to add lands.
>>97467690sorry not shards but khans because things like numot were still being printed with wonky pip ordering in 2011
>>97467708Nice.
>people playing moth man and morcant ITTPLEASE someone show me an interesting deck!
>>97467477It seems like Jace Beleren has a ton of cards with him in the artwork, is it common for people to make Jace a commander and then fill the deck with "his" cards?
>>97467749Also who is Nicol Bolas? I thought Jace was one of the strongest guys. I actually have a Nicol Bolas card though.
>>97467767he's a dragon and one of the most featured villains in the lore
>>97467747You like games?
>>97467749>>97467767if you're still the ygo player from last thread a thing you need to know is that mtg sucks at building their own ipjace was meant to be the poster boy of mtg but for various reasons could never commit to him, we haven't even been to his home plane of vryn yetjace did get a pivotal moment in the latest arc and nicol bolas is a big bad boss character all the way from 1994, honestly that's all you really need to know about them
Idk why I always struggle with mana. I have 37 lands and it's like I'm cursed or something because in my pod I never seem to draw lands consistently. Either I draw less than 5 lands by turn 6 or I get mana flooded and nothing to play.Also, I become the target very soon, as my pod already knows how to get around Elenda by exiling her or simply not blocking. But mostly because I run the infinite combo (Exquisite Blood + Vito) [I don´t have sanguine bond)]The main strat is lifegain by sacrificing things, BUT most cards I don´t want to sacrifice because they help the drain combo (blood artist, cruel celebrant)Another strat is making my vamps bigger with Cordial Vamp, or trying to make tokens with Charismatic Conqueror (which my friends hate and never give me the token)Is there something I'm missing to unlock her full potential? https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQAlso, the Stars captcha sucks so bad (pun intended)
>>97467785respectable
>>97467767Jace gonna join the long line of jobber villain in the upcoming set
>>97467803You aren't running enough card draw in your decks if land variance matters this much to you. See more cards, care less about any one card
To be honest Jace getting monster girl pussy is the best thing WotC do in the recent year for average mtg player's designated self-insert.
>>97467749>is it common for people to make Jace a commander and then fill the deck with "his" cards?nomaybe if you started out playing 60 card during an earlier core set, this could have seemed like a good idea given all the Jace's Whatevers running around then, but there's not enough of those for EDH. somehow, as said earlier, there IS for chandra, but they don't have actually good creatures to be commanders. it's just a flavor choice.>>97467767what made you think he he's str- ok, hang onjace was gassed up super hard for most of the writing starting in zendikar, but he was mocked by players because he's the personification of that "apologies my friend. as an INTJ, I find these illogical actions of yours to be amusing." meme. at best. at worst he's "dumb writer tries to write smart character." he also had one of the most centralizing cards to ever feature in 60-card with Mind Sculptor, which -har har- left a bit of a psychic scar on the playerbase.bolas has been a villain since nearly the beginning of the game and is one of the original Elder Dragons that Highlander is named for. he has been the villainous force for everything that wasn't phyrexia for a number of years, and lost relatively recently when he staged a full scale cross-planar invasion. he's probably coming back soon.
>>97467803I'm no expert, but from a quick glance I'm seeing too little cheap draw, and too little draw in general. also, I don't think a deck like yours even needs ramp or mana rocks since you run a lot of cheap stuff. I would probably replace some of the mana rocks with cheap draw like night's whisper. Then I would start sorting out creatures that never did anything for you and look for even more draw.
>>97467803>>97467825 here. Yeah, I was fucking right about you not having enough card draw. You have exactly four cards which draw you cards, and one of them only draws you one card. Cut four bad creatures for a Dark Confidant, a Crossway Troublemakers, a Sign in Blood, and a Greed.
>>97467845>Dark Confidantgreat stuff, especially for lifegain decks with lots of cheap spells
>>97467850We need more bobs in the game, I think there are only four true bobs and I need a bob tribal deck something fierce.
Reminder
>>97467851bob, batbob, the enchantment, there's an inspired bob, duskmantle seer, horse, raid bob, stronghold arena, keen duelist, the spider man enchantment that keen duelists any two players, that one sorin,ad naus sort of
This card is slept on. At least for decks that discard/sacrifice their own lands or want to reuse fetch-type lands.
>>97467868been completely replaced in my decks
>>97466986I love this thing in my Odric. The permanent haste is great. It's also just kind of funny that it can end up doing more damage to you than anything else.
>>97466986in a similar vain
>>97467902Based Pair o' Dice appreciator. It being instant speed is legitimately crazy. Also gets back Boseiju.
>>97467358uh oh FAGGOT detected
>tqshould be in every single deck under the sun.people apparently no idea how good this land is.
>>97467559>ff>trooncorehuh?
>>97467969You're missing a very important part. >FF XIV
>>97467969Troon just means "thing I dislike"
>>97467959shh don’t tell them, let them think they are good at the game lmao
>>97467973No Final Fantasy is massively popular with trannies. Q14 in particular. Even the troons joke about how having an account is a sign youre a troon
>>97467987Your proofs?
>>97467959>>97467979>3 mana to tutor a landI wouldn’t even pay 1 mana to tutor a land. I have better things to be doing. Play Evolving Wilds if you need mana fixing. Otherwise what land is so important to 100% of your decks that youre essentially going to run 2 copies of it by including a tutor?
>>97467987No, troons are dying for acceptance and try to coopt literally anything popular.effect, not cause.
>>97467845>>97467842I cut out crossway because its expensive af (5B)I also have Twilight Profet, but idk if that one is good enough wihout having City's BlessingI'll buy Read the bones and other cheap draw (3 mana or less)I have Keen Duelist, may start using her, but I just have few cards who put +1/+1 counters for her to draw me cards, but I'll try using herNow that card draw is out of the way... do I need to run reanimation spells? or maybe more things that create tokens to sacrifice?
>>97467994This is either bait or you are incredibly new. Either way off the top of my head>field of the dead>glacial chasm>urza's saga>nykthos>valakut>cabal coffers>phyrexian tower>academy ruins
>>97468012I also have some other Black cards that I could use, but I want to make a Mono Black Vito deck, so I try to separate them... https://moxfield.com/decks/YfqM-bq4u0q-3OfNun1vigI guess I'll use what I have into the Elenda in the meanwhile
>>97467993>give me proof of an Internet meme!!!! this definitely is NOT an attempt to derail your point by saying no amount of evidence is enough>>>/vg/555658072Here ya go. They’re talking about changing their appearance IRL, doing “twirls” in the mirror, dickgirls, and HRT in this threadNow what?
>>97468013None of those are worth running in most decks>Field of the DeadIn particular lmao. Unless you’re playing landfall what does this do for you exactly? >if I play lands with all different names>and get 6 others on board>I get a WHOLE 2/2 tokenWooooah holy shiiiiiit the craziest turn 7 play woaaaah
>>97468033>/vg/sorry faggot, your crossposting doesn't count.
>>97468039Yeah yeah I Jew it was a lazy attempt to derail the point. Why do you even pretend otherwise?
>>97468039I play 14 and he is right, it's absolutely the most infested game of the series
>>97468044you can't derail shitposting, dumb faggot.Besides, im not even the one who demanded proof, expecting anything but more esl mouthbreathing from you is a joke.
>>97468047Not a shitpost. Like i said, even troons joke about FF14 being a troon game. Sorry I didn’t save every meme I ever saw about it. You do not have to believe me, I do not care. Your disbelief disproves nothing and you are simply mad that I am right
>>97468062>ewww ff is troonbait>not shitpostingkill yourself.
>>97468065>FF is troonbait>”why?”>lot of trannies play FF14>”prove it”>okay, even on 4chan this FF14 thread is full of people talking about transitioning>”that doesn’t count for some reason!!!!”We done here?
>>97468071pay attention to what I just typed.>Besides, im not even the one who demanded proofYou really are just a dumb, esl faggot. So yes, we're done here. shitskin.
>>97468075>pay attention to what I just typed>"ff" instead of 14we know, you've mastered the 2nd grader art of pretending to forget the previous sentence in a conversation.
>>97468037getting a 2/2 for playing a land is 1000x better than not getting a 2/2 for playing a land.Simple as.
>>97468081aaaawww look at you attempt to mask you esl as pedantry, that's so pathetic.
>>97468075>say something stupid>get told how stupid it was>”t-t-that wasn’t me, I just chose to die on the hill for someone else!!!”Sure.
Is this a 2 card combo? My friends say it doesn't belong in bracket 3 but IMO they are just salty, it literally uses 3 cardsMeanwhile Finale of Devastation uses 1 card and wins the game on the spot
>>97468090I'm >>97468046, not >>97468071, I just plain think you're being a fuckwad on purpose.
>>97468089Sorry buddy but the game ended 2 turns ago
>>97468097next time don't greentext what didn't happen when we can all see otherwise.
Favorite 'last words' text?
>>97468102Do you think its difficult to get field of the dead online by turn 4? You don't even need to be in green to do it.
>>97468111Lhurgoyf
>>97468111"Ach! Hans, run! It’s the lhurgoyf!"
>>97468037>None of those are worth running in most decksEvery single deck can benefit from at least one of those lands. What are you even talking about?
>>97468109Cry about it
>>97468122Oh this should be good. Go ahead and tell us the line anon, I’m sure it’s completely reasonable, not a waste of mana, and can be slotted into any deck right? After all this entire argument is over running Urzas Cave in 100% of decks and FoD was an example of a card to tutor with it
>>97468138I accept your concession.
>>97468138I dissect your obsession.
>>97468138I direct your abortion.
>>97468138I'm inured from your aggression.
>>97467868>at begging of your upkeep/precombat main phase Is there any more disheartening text in the game than this?
>>97467987As opposed to Magic's player base which is strictly hyper straight gigachads
>>97468013I'm jealous of your pod where you can sit there fucking around not doing anything and wasting mana on nonsense to play with a bunch of do nothing meme cards though let's be real, you don't play games you just theory craft.
I don't hate black people. I just hate da homos.
>>97468266https://youtu.be/FqMODweN8lQ
>>97468285>he relaxed
what are the smallest card sleeves I can buy ? I'm talking like half the size of mtg sleeves. I want to show up to game night with a retardely tiny proxy deck.
>>97468376Maybe try stamp sleeves?
>>97467653Poor Doran. Good pick up though. Post Garland list when you've finished it.
>>97468394good idea anon, thanks. too bad they all are clear, but I guess I can just cut some thick colored paper for the backsides.
>>97468037Urza's Saga is one of the most bullshit OP cards ever printedIt's good in every artifact deck in every format where it's legal, and in EDH you don't even have to worry about it saccing itself because LITERALLY EVERY DECK has at least one good target for it
>>97467681>>97468423Isn't it meant to be his Shadowmoor version?
>>97467994EW can't fetch filterland which is the superior mana fixer
>>97468544why are some of these 5 cents and others 50 dollars FACT
this card is funny with ognis
>>97468636he cute
>>97467681Here you go.>>97468469Yes, but that has nothing to do with pip order.
>>97468098if I use green's sun zenith for a thassa's oracle, then use demonic consultation, does that make it a 3 card combo?
>>97469009I sure will call the judge for that illegal play
>>97469009Not him, but I'd argue that to be different because you can go off without the GSZ in that equation. Boonweaver + Gift doesn't do anything itself without a sac outlet, which necessitates a third card of some kind.
I activate Metalworker and reveal... a Memnite.
>>97468098this is an early game 2 card combo.>>97469018>which necessitates a third card of some kind.which third card? cast boonweaver (1 card) > cast blasting station (1 card) > win the game with 2 cards
>>97468037Field of the dead is outrageously strong, and I understand reading the card doesnt convey it's power level, but it has been supremely powerful in every format its been legal in, and it can absolutely end a game because it doesnt make one 2/2 every turn, it usually makes 5-10. But more to the point, tutoring a land is CRAZED, especially to the battlefield, even when tapped. That anon listed some stupid lands with a few good ones but missed some of the best. Entire decks are built around Cradle. Mishra's workshop is legal. So is Bazaar. Cavern of souls is a staple, as is shelldock isle. Urzatron isnt 3 lands at random, it's two with that "this land is every land type" card. Talon Gates is a combo piece. Minamo goes in every deck, as does strip mine. I'm partial to Inkmoth, but that's situational.I can continue listing broken fuckbusted insane lands, but it really seems like you are a person with limited experience. Would I run cave? No, not really outside of specific decks. Would I run 1 (Sorcery) "Tutor a land to your hand"? Yes. Every single deck would.
>>97468098Nah, they're being stupid. It's also a bajillion mana.
>>97469016[Laughs in Painter's Servant]
Damn
>>97469216While yes, cheeks, THAT'S NOT HOW ARM ANATOMY WORKS :(
>>97469228It's also a spirit, it spits on your rules of anatomy.
>>97469228I'm actually mad now. I can't see anything wrong with em
>>97468098its a 3 card combo, costs a ton of mana, and literally any interaction interrupts ityour friends are retarded
>>97468098yes, but it also slow and costs a tonne of mana unless you cheat it out. why do they think it doesn't belong in bracket 3?
>>97469258AIIIEEEE >>97469272The tricep is one muscle. The delts go from like the collar bone in a cap that comes to a point just beyond where the tricep and bicep connect to the bone. The delts are drawn like pauldrons, there is an extra piece at the end where the tricep connects to the bracheus, and underneath the tricep near the lats, though I know it's confusing for an artist. I'll accept symmetrical triceps, but that's wrong too.
>>97469323>tricep is one muscleSorry, I was INCENSED WITH RAGE, but one structure.
Am I stupid or is this insanely good in the blight precon?
>glaring fleshraker>pic rel>instantly win
>>97469538>cast
>>97469538Not so fast, library diddler
The sexiest card from Lorwyn.
I really don't undestand the point of high power commander gamesMe and my guys play mostly with precons/bracket 2 stuff cause we don't want to invest too much and even if games do drag out everyone has a chance at winning and there's lots of comeback and board fighting actionI tried out playing at a "serious" table and all games were over by turn 3 with some bullshit tutor combo, we did a bunch of games but they all ended up with the first guy comboing out everyone else (usually whithin the first 3 rounds of the game)Where's the fun in that, i was looking to improve and build up my decks but if that's all it boils down to i'd rather stay at the level i'm at
>>97468046>I play 14Play is a strong word, 14 is not even a game.
>>97469634>library diddler
What's your favorite tribe, and why is it your favorite?
>>97469654Do you want me to tell you and make you feel bad for being new and bad, or are you just here to vent? If the later, no worries, we all have to learn sometime.
>>97469654having played Yugioh recently, I can say with full confidence that some people like playing OTK solitaire counterspells. Honestly I don't think theres a single CEDH player that, if exposed to yugioh, would continue playing cedh.
>>97469722You do not know enough about magic or yugioh to make a statement like that.
>>97469570>Whenever another colorless creature you control ENTERS, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
>>97469698demons, by farI love how they all look like super muscular, purely evil entities that you don't wanna fuck with. I also like the recent support they got, stuff like Speed Demon and Ardyn really helped pushing them over the edge for me.
>>97467371Jhoira of the Ghitu
>>97469736Having played edh since 2010, cedh for he last 4 years and currently climbing in master duel. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
>keep running out of cards>run over 15 draw effectsI just go BANG BANG BANG and suddenly I'm busy topdecking lands
>some MtG player died so now we all have to put up with influencers pretending they knew who the fuck he was before he was in the news
>>97469940Was it that tranny elk? Did it finally splatter its brains all over the floor?
>>97468098Even if it was a 2 card combo (its not) if it comes down on or after turn 6, its perfectly fine for bracket 3. Tell your buds to get fucked.
>>97469940lmao I just saw it on my german imageboardI can't name a single tcg player by name, and I hope it stays that way. I don't even know the name of the professor, even tho I respect him for encouraging people to use proxy lands for 3 color decks.
>>97469698I like Pyrexian Germs, they cuteDragons are intro-to-fantasy tier, dinos are IRL (dead) dragonI also like hellions and wurms, they amuse me
>>97469764Yes. But you have to do math, and casting the artifacts to make more bots is the only practical part.The average deck has 65 nonland cards in it. Of those 65, one is the thing and one is fleshraker, and a varying number are mana sources. Of the 34 lands, there are 22, but technically 19 because two are artifacts that become lands, and one is arena exclusive or whatever. That means 15 lands are nonartifacts, minimum. Of those remaining lands, 7 enter untapped, but they are generally limited by colour fixing, so we'll accept the premise you're in 5 c playing all the artifact lands. In order to cast it, you need six mana, and six more mana to tap it. In magical christmasland that means 6 turns, then another turn, and 6 cards that arent artifacts, plus the thing. That also means 5 cards are in your hand, plus the 6th you draw on the turn you tap it, and for the sake of argument all those are nonartifacts. That means there are 3 nonartifacts in your deck still, and 82 artifacts, which sounds reasonable, and that's in a perfect scenario. If someone has 84 life and can stop you from attacking for four turns, you just die.So, we get into the second part. Some of those lands may be artifacts; likely more than half. Some of the cards will be artifacts. Each artifact you play subtracts from the total, and if 43 artifacts are displaced and no one does any damage, you cannot kill the table. More than likely, you will need nonartifacts, but even if you dont, you still need a way to get your thing to cast it. If in randomization it is deeper than 57 cards, you cannot win, assuming all the cards remaining are artifacts and your opponents are at 40 life, which you have no way of knowing. If you are tutoring, you're either adding nonartifacts or removing artifacts. Same with card draw and ramp. These can not be more than 42 cards total, assuming lands 17 cards required to be nonartifacts as part of the total of the 82 remaining cards (15 lands plus the two combo) cont
>>97469764>>97470000A conventional artifact deck has approximately 30 discrete artifacts plus lands. You need at minimum 40 IN YOUR DECK when popping off, which is super high. You draw 7 cards assuming to hit all of your land drops and both cards, which means 14 total cards are excluded, and if we assume 60 cards are artifacts for arguments sake (lands plus 40 artifacts) on average you will have 5.6ish artifacts in those 40 cards and 55 artifacts remaing. That means you can play/ mill/draw no more than 15 artifacts in terms of interaction and set up, assuming all the remaining cards are artifacts. If 60 cards are artifacts that means you have 60.60606060% of any given card being an artifact but a 39.4% chance of any remaining card being a nonartifact each additional card you see, so in the magical christmasland you have on average 50.904 artifacts remaining. Then ON AVERAGE using more than 10 artifacts means you cannot do the thing.In short, you need to cast the artifacts or this whole silly thing will not work.
>>97469946Splattered something all over the inside of his diaper, that’s for sure
>>97469956The professor doesn't have a name due to some kind of birth defect
>>97469907Gross. Enjoying the new banlist update? But that makes it even sillier if I'm being real. Yugioh has 10 (technically 11 or 12) zones for cards on the feild divided by type and no mulligans or resources beyond cards in the requisite area. Magic has a bunch of resources and ways to interact with your opponents resources; yugioh is either get your boss monster or your floodgate and gg.Now the most compelling part of yugioh? Stax. I was playing Diabalos and just straight fate sealing people with the 2000 attack sacrifice deck devestation virus thing. Can't do that in magic. Luv me sum Danger! Darkworld.
>>97470071*braps out Dark Ruler No More*Heh... nice boss monster.
>>97469654I was the arch enemy at my friend's table when we used to play bracket 3 goodstuff. when I started to play a budget bracket 2 deck on the regular and had not a single win at several commander nights in a row while still having fun, everyone started to build low power budget decks too.there is something really enjoyable about those tooth and nail fights with retarded mechanics. last night my friend with the highest losing streak of all of us won several games with a draft chaff commander he threw together the night before. don't know when I saw him this happy the last time.
>>97470102Personally, I nibiru, (and used to King Calamity) but I admire your gumption.
>>97470125Nibiru? More like Nibricku! Haha!
>>97470071isn't shaddolls stax, or is it 100% shaddolls-but-also-joan-of-arc now or whatever she is?
>>97468111
Command zone worthy?
>>97469953heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3 and it's the same mana costyou can even deploy heliod on turn 3 to setup the combo for later, exactly the same as blasting stationhow are they different?
>>97470150Honestly? Most things in yugioh are the type of stax that would make a loam pox player blush. This guy reads "time walk with upside".>>97470176No. But it is legacy worthy.
>>97468098>all these replies saying that this is OK in bracket 3good thing I don't play with any of you retards
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22experience+counter%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameAt what point do I make a WUBRG Experience counter proliferate deck
>>97470187>heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3
>>97470187It's not the same cost. It's 2W+4+1W and two cards. Boonweaver is 6W+3 and three cards. It should also be fine, but dorks do stupid math where they count the mana across multiple turns as faster because they're doing this curve-over-turns-as-efficiency nonsense.
>>97469199Whats the play lines to get that many 2/2s every turn?
>>97470176Yes easily
>>97469386Yes. With persist too
>>97470232Scapeshift. Splendid reclaimation with fetches. You dont make that many every turn, you make them all at once the moment field resolves, but there are A LOT of ways of doing it.
>>97466917Hard agree. Costs way too much cash, but Flash is one of the strongest ability's IMO
>>97470217I've tried, it's KIND of doable with Azlask as the commander, but honestly we need a few more experience counter cards using cards. You just don't have enough redundancy if someone kills the few cards in your deck that use them other than your commander.
>>97466917>>97470303Am I missing something? It's 5$.
>>97470323Must be Europoors.
>>97470071Eh, I think the argument falls a little flat when you realize that Magic only gives certain colors access to certain interaction points in a sizeable amount. Yu-Gi-Oh pretty much every deck can run massive amounts of interaction and still do their thing. Regardless this is some apples to oranges level shit.
>>97470187>heliod ballista combo is not allowed in bracket 3 Yes, it is, assuming you have the selfcontrol to wait until turn 6 to windmill slam it or at the very least tell the pod of 3s its in there and can come down before turn 6 but not usually.
Intentionally playing your deck suboptimally doesn't change its bracket
>>97470214>Massively expensive easily interrupt able 3 card jank combo isn't acceptable for bracket 3That's good, I don't want to play with a retard.
>>97469323I’m pretty sure that you’re seeing a tunic or jerkin or something. The spirit is clearly clothed.
>>97469538Wtf that's disgusting. That's just an auto win with this
>>97470339I mean at this point interaction in YGO completely mogs MtG interaction even accounting for how much better YGO creatures are. Cecil, Dark Knight is a damning example of this where Cut Down rotated so now he literally can't be answered in Standard on-curve. There's many cards like Stormchaser's Talent that just instantly make more bodies when they enter, which at 1 mana means they literally can't be answered 1:1 without going first and drawing a counterspell. There's a reason YGO has had blind second decks ever since Evenly Matched while Magic has never had any decks that consistently chose to go second and the winrate gap between play/draw keeps getting bigger (it's as large as 65% in game 1 rn)
>>97470364>Jank>Tutor to play + Blasting Station
>>97467767Bolas is Ugin's gay lover
>>97470323Im just a jew and dont want to play 5 for a uncommon land. I do have a few though because flash is probably my favorite sneaky jew mechanic
>>97467767Bolas is one of many resident homosexual dragons of MtG. He has repressed romantic feelings towards Ugin and recently came out of the closet.
>>97470391Yes. I you seem to be having an issue understanding what words mean, probably because you are of low skill level, but that's an assumption.
>>97470383I agree with most things, but in real formats, chosing to go second means you're playing DREDGE and is a neon flashing sign that says "go to sideboard".
>>97470459Damn bro didn't know you thought Blasting Station was jank. Maybe I should introduce you to KCI and Grinding Station for more "jank".
>>97470470Those are also jank. I'm not sure why you think they arent unless you are like... just not playing wincons and hoping whatever cards you topdeck eventually win the game."Optimal" is about 7 or 8 things, none of which are KCI or grinding station or blasting station. Sounds like you have a terminal case of limited scope.
>>97470469>Real formats>Dredge blind secondDamn didn't know they unbanned Grave-Troll and instead banned every looting/rummage effect.
>>97470486Until recently there was a fairly strong untieres dredge deck in both modern and legacy. Oops is generally more consistent and easier in legacy, and the fuck do I know about modern I think it's just all amulet titan and energy, but it's absolutely strong, absolutely goes second, and will only be stronger as reanimator and oops get limited by the meta; it was just limited by no "transformative sideboard" and incidental hate. Dredge has always been a fearsome deck in any format with Bazaar.
>>97470504There is exactly one format with Bazaar legal and Dredge doesn't need (or want) to go second there. They just mulligan until Bazaar is in their opening hand.
>>97470362Arguing about brackets is the clearest indicator that the closest thing you have to a friend are the people who tolerate you at your LGS.
>>97467704I had a similar issue when trying to build mono red for the first time. Have you decided on who you want to build?
>>97470529Hmmm, do they want to go second... lately I thought it was galaxy brained +1 raw card in decks that have free interaction and limited card advantage, but those decks dont really care about going first either if they can be fast. Either way, look at this sick deck from a tournament in october.
>>97470544I accept your concession
Brackets are bad for the format and bans should have been left to Rule 0 or at most encouraged as LGS/pod decisions. All they do is cause the most seething bickering imaginable over B2-B4 and a lot of loser cope.
>>97470553NTA but I built Purphrous 2.0. Very fun deck, and can easily be switched out for Tannuk. Really fun finding ways to keep the creatures/ getting repeated death triggers / a bit of reanimation also. You basically build the board up the first 3 turns with stuff like erratic portal, Flameshadow conjuring, etc then go ape shit with the commanders sneak attack ability
>>97470578It’s funny how this post has morphed into a clear concession over time. Getting it out of one of you retards is almost as gratifying as smug anime replies used to be.
>>97467704immodaneashlingojer whats-his-namekrenkozadapurphoroslathlissgilgamesh
>>97470585Oh sorry my Time Vault deck was too strong I'll bring Flash Hulk next time.
>>97470605Both of those are illegal in all brackets, and flash hulk isnt even good in the current meta.
>>97470595? You cant just run a cEDH deck and then say well its a b3 because I held all my cards in hand until t6 you clown.
>>97470585Especially because cEDH is so specific and it’s a problem that solves itself in more casual play. If you don’t like what a deck does, just stop playing against it. All the bracket serves to do is turn you into a sneaky Jew who decides to try to find a slightly more broken technicality i. A way that will cause even more seething and bickering between people you’re supposed to be having fun with.
>>97470484Post deck. YOUR decks, any of them
>>97470621You said bans should be left to r0. You failed to state that Time Vault was on the r0 banlist so I brought Time Vault untap.
>>97470585>Brackets are bad for commander because they give a decent framework to understand the power of your deck and the powers of the decks of people you are playing against to best give you a more accurate amount of information for a pleasurable game playing experience and to sniff out pubstompers and disingenuous people during the rule 0.Shoot yourself with a .22 to build up an immunity to small caliber bullets.
>>97470622Technically, if you dont break the rules you can. The rules are 0-3 game changers and no mld or whatever. So, if you follow those rules and wait until t6, it is what it is, other than some elaborate nebulous this or that.
>>97470622Yes I can, you’ll probably just whinge about it like you are right now. You can barely stand without a walker. What are gonna do? Tell the game store owner on me?
The entire point of brackets is to facilitate the existence of the Game Changer list so they can keep chase cards desirable while placating the whiners. If you imagine anything else, congratulations! You’re a useful idiot.
>>97470635In what situation are you sniffing people out? Even in your made up fantasy, you’re a creep. You just want socially endorsed language to rulesfag and cry about some edge case when you lose. You can just get up and walk away from people you don’t want to play with, you don’t need a pretense to do so.
>>97470650Did the little grey men tell you this? Did they beam it to you through radio waves in your fillings?
>>97470656I see you are legitimately retarded and do not use or ever understand the concept of a rule 0 pregame discussion.
>>97470323$5 uncommon with one printing that came before booster fun so the foil is like $80 (cheapest TCGplayer listing right now)
>>97470629And then what? What does that have to do with anything other than a mad anon being upset that he doesnt know what "jank" means who is going to be mad about whatever I post, and is trying to set up some weird binary gotcha to compensate?
>>97470677So just...don't buy the foil. Can't really complain about price when you're trying to buy a premium version.
>>97470674I’ve just known how to have a discussion like that since before brackets were a thing because I’m not a fotm bandwagon fag who thinks this is a format worth conflating with my ego. You can talk about why and how you’re playing, and shit you don’t like without needing to say daddy WotC banned it. For most people who have actual friends, that sort of shit is implied, really. If some fag shows up to tutor Maralen and Teferi’s as more than a gag while everyone is trying to chill and have beers, you just kick him off the table until he plays something else. It’s not rocket science.
>>97470707>"they need to reprint this so the foil is cheaper">"just don't buy the foil LOL"
>>97470566I see the theory but it really just doesn't measure up to how good going first is. The tempo is just too good.
>>97470677>falling for the foil meme
>>97470726Ah, I missed the word foil in the original post, I thought the complaint was about the price in general. I was thinking it had hit Wan Shi Tong or Toph, Earthbending Master prices for a regular version or something.
>>97470661The system has introduced more problems and confusion than it has resolved, without there ever having been a need for it in the first place. They wanted a soft ban list so that they would be able to keep printing pushed cards without losing the casual audience entirely.
>>97470633That was another anon but if you’re bringing shit to play in bad faith it’s not a loss when I simply don’t play with you. Go home and grab something else or spend all night seething about it online, what do I care? You brought something to intentionally fuck with the vibes. What happens with brackets is you bring aforementioned 3-card combo and everyone spends all night debating whether or not to allow it per the (((official guidelines))) instead of getting to the heart of the issue and multiple people leave bitter and lesser for the discussion to go home and seethe online all night. Case in point: This topic.
>>97470760They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>97470759Still pissed Toph is so expensive but I know I'm gonna have to bite the bullet eventually.
>>97470772Okay anon. You can pack up and go home because nobody else is at the LGS :)
>>97470787At least you're not an FFXIV lover like me who has to get assreamed for the Snapcaster reprint...it can always be worse. It's literally the only card I'm missing to have a copy of all of them in foil.
>>97470760>The system has introduced more problems and confusion than it has resolved, without there ever having been a need for it in the first place.Bold claim with 0 proof.The only issue is has is from retards without phones being retards.Which, clearly (you) are.
>>97470591>Purphrous 2I hadn't thought of that one. I ended up with Ivora when I finally settled on a mono red. Let me use the various discard draw stuff red has gotten over the years and I really enjoyed how low to the ground and quick she scales. Ended up having a similar sub theme of reanimation too. Purphoros 2 does look cool though and I've got a bunch of extra red stuff left over that should work for him and the itch to try another mono red.
>>97470795Not an issue if you have friends, but in the interest of humoring you: If it’s between playing duel commander someone in bad faith and going home to jerk it to tall women lifting heavy objects, it’s no loss for me to choose the latter.
>>97470796I'm a FF fag in general but the prices on a lot of the art treatments being driven up by people that don't play Magic have stopped me from getting a lot of cards I want. Thankfully some have settled down like pic related, but at the same time the chocobo track foils are all still pricey.
>>97470787Why the fuck did she end up so expensive anyway? None of the other experience Avatar cards are that expensive.
>>97470808My only guess is her experience counters come from landfall or maybe it was a printing issue? Otherwise I have no fucking clue.
>>97470807I don't even want all the various printings, I just want one copy of each unique card because the set ended up being a perfect immortalization of ARR -> Endwalker, which was probably my favorite FF story (thank God they didn't print Dawntrail shit on any of the cards).>>97470808Bad combo of Jumpstart mythic+Super good card+popular character. She's unironically a self-contained earthbending engine which makes any landfall deck even better.
>>97470822>>97470830Oh right. I forgot she's the landfall trigger. That makes a lot more sense. The rest are like a dollar to maybe ten so seeing Toph eclipse then so much stood out a lot at first.
>>97470802This is a problem. The discussion is a problem; specifically the online bickering. Your attitude is a problem. The egoism of being good at this but not at that, then saying this is better than that because feelings are problems. The skill ceiling of lower brackets are problems. Stagnating and minimizing anything stronger for ideological purposes is a problem. The unintuitive vague rules that have no specific definition regardless of what Gavin says are a problem. A deck with 4 game changers being the same as a real deck built to fuck in bracket 4 are problems.And these are the result of a half measure community system based on the loud opinions of people who dont spend money, dont play the format, and will be mad about literally anything. And to top it all off, I've never seen anyone in person care, good players will always be better regardless of the rules, and this is the silly looney tunes format for happy fun times with tournaments exclusively at the top end so it doesnt make a difference at all, other than in the lives of scrubs trying to minmax things they dont like instead of adapting or simply enjoying what they say they enjoy./rant
>>97468098If you have to ask if it's bracket 3, then it's not bracket 3
>>97470852You're right but this thread is literally full of people who can't make friends despite playing the casual format of a game popular among people who have low standards so don't expect a lot of validation. These are the kinds of people who live to have bad faith arguments about rules and therefore love guidelines like brackets.
>>97470852>Being called out for poor reading comprehension is YOUR problem.No, it's yours. Brackets are logical and easily readable. Suggesting otherwise makes (you) a retard.Deal with it.
>>97467704>>97470553>>97470603>>97470591I think I'm going for Zo-Zu. I've got a lot of punishment cards for playing lands, and with the meta being so landfall ramp heavy I think that will be fun. Goblin creature subtheme, some big mana dump burn spells with some redirection and MLD. Should be some good fun going full red and not knowing if I will survive, but definitely will bring some pain.
>>97470852>The skill ceiling of lower brackets are problems.God I feel this one and its so fucking frustrating.I like playing at lower PLs/Brackets because I fucking hate Grixis comboslop goodstuff piles with no sense of identity just being the norm, but holy fuck some people act like youre some angleshooting pubstomper because you dont build and pilot your deck like a complete retard and actually sit and read other peoples cards as well as your own.The fact that alot of deckbuilding sites insist my monored Shitbrew is Bracket 4 because I understand basic concepts like synergy and manacurve and interaction.I hate it so fucking much
>>97470875While true, the solution is to ignore them and tell them to fuck off. They're going to bitch either way, just accept it as a feature, not a bug >>97470878Not what happened. A magical corporate fairy made tenuous rules list with a tremendous amount of wiggle room as a response to a community run oversight commitee going pants on head retarsed, and I am reading them literally, as rules ought to be read when implemented.99 cards the same colour as your commander. Singleton except for basic lands. Ban list. Commander goes back to the command zone as your choice when it dies. All that is reasonable, inuitive, enforcable, and straight forward. If you require additional semantics, look up the section for more details. Brackets are not that.
>>97470900Yup. I dont mind playing lower power formats, but it's the same shit as complaining a deck made of one standard draft isnt viable in modern, despite being legal. No shit. The card pool is bigger and as the card pool is bigger, the level of what's required to be viable goes up. Just because it isnt the top doesn mean any pile of cardboard is fine, and people dont have to improve, but choosing not to also means you shouldnt be upset when you lose.New players should not start with edh.
>>97470878>Brackets are logical and easily readable
>>97470879>Zo-ZuOh you are going to thoroughly fuck some players with this guy. If he's catching your eye then go for it anon. Having a consistent source of damage like him with all the additional damage dealers and multipliers red has could be fun. And the sub theme of goblins could give you a sort of backup for if/when the table turns on you.
>>97470879sat down art a random game with this once, someone pulled out his zozu deck and the landfall player started crting all game becaythe two of us didn't remove zozu immediately and he "couldn't play the game"turns out he runs almost no removal and just has bunch landfall value cardsI hate landfall players so much
>>97470958>New players should not start with edhI hate precons for implicitly encouraging this.
>>97467625it's my dream to use this on the great work while its first abiliy is on the stack targeting a token player
>>97470958Its funny because I actually DID start with EDH myself, but I found the game of Magic so interesting that I found myself consuming alot of different content from pros and creators of a variety of formats.I feel the problems mainly risem out of the fact that alot of formats have been slaughtered by Wizards in one form or another, so now you have WAACfags populating the MAKE NEW RAT format, and that has created the big counterpush of snooty overpolicing Redditors who demand cards be banned or cordoned off because they're too up their own ass to consider concepts like interaction, removal, or that their shitbrew isnt the big brain pile of cards they thought it was.The main problem with this community is the complete and utter lack and animosity towards introspection. Go on r/EDH and see how many posts are people bitching about a card or deck or opponent without ever taking a second to consider their own faults or shortcomings as a deckbuilder or Magic player.Every time I lose a game of EDH I take 5 minutes to think about it. I think about my opening hand. Cards that worked well. Cards that didnt. Did I misplay. Was it just pure dumb bad luck?Your average EDH player doesnt do this. They either blame their opponent and demand they need to go to a different sandbox, or they stupidly blow 20-30 dollars on generic staples without understanding why they'd want the card or if it works in their deck.I'm so fucking over it.
>>97470852Nailed it. The problems it purports to solve remain, since the exact same conditions are still in place: vague, feels-based guidelines that are paired with hard, explicit rules and then presented as if they’re one and the same. Bad actors can still be just as bad with the same justifications applied to a slightly narrower scope. Meanwhile, it has fragmented discussion and introduced new arguments that even the well-intentioned can run into because everything except for game changer count is about intentions.
>>97471111>Everything but game changer count is intentionsI would be forced to play in Bracket 3 exclusively because I run Gamble in a discard oriented deck and Im often fishing for a Crucible of Worlds.Its just as based in intentions.
>>97471131Or bracket one if that's your theme. Bolas' citadel is fine after all in a bolas deck, why not gamble in a gambling deck or a discard deck?But what anon's saying is the rule about game changers is clear. You count them. Everything else? Not so much.
>>97471131Number of game changers is an objective metric that can’t be argued around the same way that “turn you usually expect to win by” can. The only actual rule introduced is division into>0 game changers>1-3 game changers>4+ game changersEverything else is about vibes.
>>97471139>>97471144Gotcha.Also reminds me that that stupid "Win By Turn X" metric Gavin was so fucking proud of coming up with has been absolutely disastrous for people trying to figure out what bracket they belong in, because thats such a stupid and ethereal metric to judge a commander deck by, since it completely dismissed the idea of variance in a four player singleton format.
>>97471161Personally, I think the funniest part is that it literally does nothing to assess the strength of control decks. A stax deck winning after ten turns is not the same thing as a burn deck winning after nine.
>>97471161Yeah, not to mention goldfishing wins vs winning with 3 players trying to stop you, or vice versa when a really fragile gameplan goes off because no one else at the table runs interaction
>>97471201Or a deck that always wins turn 4 versus a deck that can in theory win turn 4 sometimes.
> go on r/edh and /edhg/> complain that commander players are terminally online losers
>>97471201This is why I dismantled my Neheb deck.When it went off I looked like a god.The second I started playing against people who actually run interactions and dont lick wallpaper the deck sucked ass.
>Here’s a list of powerful cards. If you don’t run any of them, you’re in Category A. If you run between one and three, you’re in Category B. If you run more than that, you’re in Category C.Okay, that makes sense. I can work with that.>By the way, as part of the same update to the format, we want to note that the number of tutors you run will also dictate how your deck is classified.All right, fair enough. How many tutors for each category?>Oh, you know, just don’t run too many.I got that. How many is “too many”?>More than would be considered a reasonable amount.And what would be considered a reasonable amount?>A number of tutors that suits the category.And what is the number that suits each category?>Probably less than ninety-nine.
>>97471298who are you quoting? tutors are not relevant for the bracket system since the latest updateyou can have a bracket 1 deck jank deck with 20 tutors on it
>>97471298Alright.>But you can also discard any rule for any reason and play in the lowest bracket.I thought the categories were by power?>Not really. Any deck in any of the categories can be as strong as weak as you want. But in the lowest bracket you shouldnt try to win.Then what should you do in that bracket?>Anything else. Use your imagination.
>>97471332Little known fact: bracket 1 is actually a 4 man pottery class. Has nothing to do with magic.
>>97471336Can confirm. Last time we played bracket one, the only female at the table got molestered by a ghost.
>>97471346GHOST BLOWJOB WOO WOOO!
>>97471346God damn it, I told you that Brago deck was too powerful for the table.
>playing Myrel>end up whittling down other players through combat>down to 1v1>opponent assembles infinite 1/1 token combo>no haste>looks at me smugly>my turn comes around>"Whelp I guess all I can do is this">Cast Elesh Norn>opponent becomes visibly upset>looks like he's gonna cry>give him a big grin>"gg bro that was a clutch draw"God I love Mommy Norn
>>97471358I hate that image. Fat bitches? We cool. But elesh norn is my guro waifu; bloody fingerprints on her white patina, skinning the lesser so they embrace glorious perfection. That woman has all her skin. Disgusting.
>>97471358>opponent assembles infinite 1/1 token combo>no hasteIf you don’t have a haste enabler or an Impact Tremors, don’t make infinite tokens! Fuck, it’s the most basic lesson imaginable.
>>97471358Nice. Let's see braphog Saffi's cosplay.
>>97471358there's nothing more kino than pretending something was a draw drop against a smug player
>>97471358Body positivity was a mistake.Fat bitch didn't even bother to make anything resembling the headress.
>>97471450>fat person>lazyshocker
>>97471238why are you offended? they're talking about people who play the game.
>>97470796if you bought every single FFXIV alternate treatment in foil then one way or another you're being a little baby about snapcaster's pricelike either you could afford it or you couldn't, snapcaster isn't so outrageous as to break your bank by comparison to the rest
>>97471512Just 1x of each cards in some form, I don't need the Chocobo print Emet-Selch or Tataru for example. Snapcaster is 150$ which outclasses all the individual card prices by far. That said you're sort of right, I'm also an FF8 fag but I will NEVER be spending 1200$ for the Jap print of Edea on Force of Negation, meanwhile I acquired every other card for like...90$ in foil because the FF8 cards are unplayable outside of Jumbo Cactuar memes and Squall. FF7fags also have it way worse because all of their shit is inflated by secondaries so they command pretty high prices even for the bad cards.
>>97471161It really fucked up my Tifa, MA deck.>T1 forest, avacyn pilgrim>T2 mountain, birds of paradise>T3 Tifa, start eyeballin the guy who has no blockers>T4, mana dorks each attack different opponents, Tifa gets to 7, double combat, 17 commander damage>guy scoops>"thought this was b3, wtf, I'm not supposed to lose on Turn 5"I hate this player base
>play kresh on 4>one player with no blockers>smack for 11 damage>next turn, still no blocks>smack again>"wtf you should be hitting everyone one after the other so I can have 3 more turns to prepare">"wtf edicts are unfair you can clear any creature for 3 mana">"wtf how am i expected to remove something that big"
>>97471161Win by turn x with no interaction is the ONLY metric for power level that makes any sense, don't know what Gavin said as I ignore bracket nonsense anyway, in case you want to argue my clearly correct point
>>97471733Jesus christ reminds me of one of the cringiest interactions Ive ever had.>Went to new LGS cause thought Covid killed mine>Play some games>Take out my Neheb deck>Pretty standard game. No bullshit, no acceleration.>Hand kinda sucks, so I have to go all in>Play Heartless Hidetsugu, no haste or anything, basically complete hail mary>Inform the table that if we go a rotation and Hidetsugu stays and Im allowed to resolve Neheb, I will win.>All nod in understanding.>Nobody does anything.>I fulfill the prophecy. Make a bunch of mana, dump into an X spell.>One dude stands up, looks me dead in the eyes.>"Anon we don't play CEDH around here. If you want to bully people this isnt the store for you.">Wut.png>Dude takes out his cracked out Grixis cEDH deck>Mops the floor with me, obviously>"I hope you learned your lesson dude. Don't play decks like that if you dont want smoke.">Wut.png>Buy a foil Umbral Mantle they had in the case.>Never go backEDH players are a different fucking breed dude.
>>97471803>we don't play CEDH around here>Dude takes out his cracked out Grixis cEDH deckThis didn't happen.
>Turn 1 go Rog, Dark Ritual, Culling the Weak, Ad Naus>Inform my table that I don't usually pop off like this>They insist my deck isn't bracket 3
>>97471810I know plenty of cEDH players who dont take their cEDH decks out on your average LGS EDH night unless its clear there are other people who want to play cEDH.
>>97471822>Plays Rog>Guys it was an accidentOkay faggot.
>>97471787Go on, explain your stupid thought process.
>>97471872I just play Rog/Si for the colors I'm not doing any infinite combos with them.
>>97470585>waaaahhhh players now have a valid reason to tell me they don't want to play against my gay combodecks full of crutch cards waaaaahhhhhh
>>97471854>cEDH players who dont take their cEDH decks out on your average LGS EDH nightNow can those cEDH players you know distinguish a neheb pile from a cEDH deck? The answer is yes, and so could anyone who has a cEDH deck. Anon just made up some character who is impossibly retarded.
>>97471903Cards arent a crutch. If they were, you'd use them and win. Since they arent, and you dont win, seems like a skill issue.
Guys my Magda deck is bracket 2 let me play it's just a jank pile it doesn't even have any dragons in it :((((
>>97471935>there's no such thing as gamechangers Sorry Anon, I'm not going to call you retarded for having a retarded opinion but you and your one ring have to go to the sweathog table with the other tryhards.
>>97471996If you're going to quote me, do it correctly. And you may be surprised to hear that The One Ring is too slow for cEDH and falling out of favour to the point of not being run at all, you smug faggot.
>>97472055>Acksually the one ring is le badYou can cope all you want. I'm not playing against a crutch card.
>>97472055>Because it might not be good for CEDH means it wouldn't completely obliterate lower power decks.Good thing Gavin is making the calls and not you.
>>97472071It's not bad. Like all cards in magic, it doesnt win the game on its own, and is not a crutch. And more to the point, if it was a crutch, it would be run in the highest powered version of the format to win the game.Cant help stupid. Particularly loud wrong embarassing stupid who is frantically googling to say "no u".
>>97472089Lots of cards obliterate lower power decks, like jitte. Or tabernacle. But it's not a crutch. None of them are. And if they were, they'd also be used in good decks.
>>97472097>Draw 21 for 4 mana doesn't win the game on its ownI'm sorry you're actually retarded enough to believe this.
>>97472128>4 mana and 6 turns with 15 damage>still doesnt win the game without other cardsNot very good at this are you.
>>97472134We should unban Ancestral Recall because it doesn't win the game on its own. Oh and Black Lotus too!
>>97472114>Draw is by far one of the most powerful things in this game period>Things that massively power up draw isn't a crutchOkay. Pretty dumb. Not worth my time for any more (you)s
>>97471888It's about deck efficiency. Any deck can blow out a table by getting t1 land ring signet or similar. But If your deck can -regularly- kill 3 other players <3-4 turns without an answer your deck is not going to be tuned against some shitpile that that wins by several turns of combat. It's not about 'could' it's about 'will likely unless stopped'.Its not perfect but it's the most consistent . Obviously there's niche cases like someone going to play a graveyard deck and someone bringing a commander that stops someone from interacting with the yard or other silver bullet shit but that's easy to see at a glance and switch
idk why people are saying this card is so good. It doesn't win the game on its own and only does anything with a janky combo.
I built General Kreat and I regret it, it's just impact tremors but people kill it on sight because they hate getting pinged then you do nothing but play shitty goblins
>>97472157Thoracle is shitty because it's boring and hard to interact with
>>97472169It's just a janky card that's not even good. cEDH Magda doesn't even bother running it.
>>97472167>my deck focuses on my commander, but I won't bother protecting my commander.
somebody bought this card from me for 55€.would you spend money on such a damaged card?
>>97471996TRO is the strongest case for an Anchored-type keyword that prevents things from changing hands or being flickered I've ever seen. It would be fine if not for exile/boomerang abuse. Also hopefully they print the other rings in The Hobbit because it's weird af for none of the others to exist.
>>97472214that's barely scratching heavily playedplus you'd be surprised what an expert painter with the right tools can do to a card
>>97472198you're right that's my fault, I don't own any I should buy some
>>97472222Didn't they already print the other rings as alternative art for Sol Ring? The serialized ones.
>>97472147Not legal in the format. Nice try though.>>97472149Oh? And why isnt it played in the best decks in the format if it's "so powerful"? You need to practice your argument if you want to make that claim that combo decks only win with crutch cards, when many combo decks dont use the specific crutch card you suggested.
>>97472245that's really fucking lame if sothe rings of men and nenya aren't on the same tier or even close
>>97472214Considering damaged, and this looks heavily played, Replenish is 80.euros. yeah, that was quite the steal and I would have bought it too.
the game changers list will continue to be a joke so long as Show and Tell isn't on it
>>97472270its like 60-70 euro for an english card. i had this only for 3 months for 60€ and nobody bought it. it has been the cheapest replenish on cardmarket for that time. so yea I dont really think it was a rip off
>>97472157It's not a crutch, butt blasted tard anon. You have to build your whole deck around it. It's increasingly unpopular, lab jace is making a big comeback.
>>97472222But an answer that can go in any deck is only 2 mana?
>>97472267Yeah they even did the whole 3, 7, 9 thing with them already. But who knows what the Hobbit will bring. Maybe they will make them actual cards instead of just stupidly expensive Sol Rings.
>>97471908>Every story about a retard is made upHow can you post here day after day and hold this logic?
my account at my LGS randomly had 40 dollars credit added into it. what should i get?
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>>97472232Can't you be disqualified for painting over cards?
