It's been fifteen years anons. Now it's almost entirely dead, let's talk about Finecast again.Just simply: what the fuck were they thinking?
It's no real secret. It was a hastily scrambled together stop gap because the price of tin absolutely skyrocketed. So rather than get rid of a large amount of SKU's, which would torpedo some armies playability. They went with the quick & cheap option of retooling the moulds to allow the use of the cheap, shitty plasti-resin instead.
>>97470100Money.>material is cheaper>sell the figures for more >oh, they're shit? Here, buy a tool to fix the errors we made(liquid greenstuff)
>It's been fifteen years anons>brain immediately goes to 2000~2005>15 years ago was 2011It's over.
I bought some spare kits from the back of a game store while travelling because they were cheaper than modern equivalents. I have a weirdboy and two saurus scale veterans on cold ones. The cold ones are in normal plastic so I used them for other projects and now I have three finecast figures for armies I don't play and little idea what to do with them.The material might be shit but the sculpts are cool at least.
>>97473011Too bad their value in second hand market plummets
>>97470100Conceptually the idea of moving to a resin based alternative instead of their white metal made sense if the upward trend of tin prices continued. Especially since it could in theory drop prices as well due to the reduced cost of the material and manufacture process. However being GW there was never going to be any reduction in price, and in fact they decided to up the price at the same time largely defeating the point of the whole change. As for the material itself it was utter garbage, which seems to be due to a combination of being rushed as fuck during development and from the actual composition which had a reduced resin percentage to skirt around UK laws that would have prevented them selling the resin in store to minors or some such shit. The casting quality issues are completely unsurprising in hindsight and not entirely due to Finecast itself but the usual teething issues of moving to a resin system like we have seen with other companies and the abrupt gear shift in production to this new material without sufficient familiarisation time and complete lack of QC. That said even post teething the overall quality was still pretty shit compared to most pure resin models so I think it seems like square peg round hole they never wanted to really acknowledge and just tried to power through until we got to now with everything moving to plastic.
>>97470100Terrible idea at the time but in a strange way I think it's actually worked out in GW's favor in the long run. Finecast really damaged resin's reputation and lot of gamers just won't buy resin models because of shitty experiences with finecast.Now that they're almost fully done with shifting all of their models over to plastic that's really a problem for GW anymore but it's big problem for smaller companies who can't afford to do everything in plastic and it probably keeps quite a few gamers in the GW ecosystem.
>>97473200To play double's advocate Forge World was already doing that damage to resin's reputation. It was only later once other companies and recasters with decent resin and quality control became the norm that people really understood just how bad FW was and how little effort they actually put in.
>>97473343No, Forge World resin was always fine. FW resin was not Finecast. And no. Finecast was considered shit from the day it released. Stop writing about a past you didn't experience and only know about through second hand knowledge.
>>97473510>No, Forge World resin was always fine.No it was not. Their quality was abysmal for a long time, as was it overly brittle. Especially when it came to larger bit or kits. On top of starting in a era when knowledge of how to work with resin kits was still mostly new in regards to mainstream tabletop. It was only later that they started to get their quality issues under control, and even now it is still hit and miss compared to other companies that use resin. Forge Wold cemented the idea of 'Ugh resin' into people's minds because of all this well before Finecast, and even to this day people lament when new GW models are resin despite not being Finecast.
>>97473510>>No, Forge World resin was always fineIt really wasn't.
>>97470856They had so many years though why didn't they ever improve it?I say this but the one finecast I bought, a pack of plasma guns, was fine so I never saw the huge issues others took with the line
>>97473343>double's advocate
>>97474546First day on 4channel buddy?
>>97474470It did technically improve over time. In so much as glaring miscasts, mould slips, bubbles etc became less prevalent. But it was still a miserable material to work with, and due to how the moulds had to be retooled quite often they'd be a horrendous amount of gating/flash.
>>97473510>Forge World resin was always fine.
They were thinking "those retards will buy anything" and they were right.
>>97474470I (stupidly) bought a finecast Lemartes just before they replaced it with the primaris one because it was a model I'd wanted but had never ended up getting. Before I bought it I thought to myself that surely they'd sorted out most of the issues by then and it shouldn't be a big risk but when it actually arrived my heart absolutely sank. It had so many casting errors, mould slip, bubbles, missing details etc. that to "fix" it I'd have to essentially resculpt the entire thing from scratch myself. I've worked with plenty of resin models of varying quality from both recasters and independent model producers and this was the worst model I've ever seen. I was so pissed off at myself for buying it that I couldn't even be bothered to go through the song and dance of trying to get it replaced and just threw it out and wrote it off because I didn't waste a second more of my life on it or any replacements that would probably be just as shit.
>>97473510Some posts are so unintentionally revealing it's shocking. For example, this post could ONLY have been written by the guy who chose the resin for Forge World.
>TIL people are still paying huge sums of money for individual models that aren't even metal anymoreI don't really pay attention to Warhammer and have always assumed the expensive individual units were pewter/tin/whatever. This is really sad. You could write a worthy French-style parody of modern society about this.
>>97470100>it's been 15 years.Even though it was a shitty time for 40k. I'd take it over today.
>>97471916Kill me, Pete
>>97473343Resin sucks, simple as.
>>97476064I started collecting a few months ago and my collection is almost exclusively pewter. Pic related cost less than a 100 dollars. Granted it's 15mm but if it were 28mm it still wouldn't come close to the cost of Warhammer models.
>>97478938Compared to plastic sure, can't really argue against that. But not all resin is equal and you can get perfectly fine resin models that don't have issues from competent companies. The preference is of course always plastic, but resin can be fine and wouldn't have the reputation it does were it not for GW and its fuck ups around resin largely putting people off it.
>>97470100The initial casts were fucked because GW made the resin mix too soft and didn't account that using the old metal casts would be a bad idea.They brought out liquid greenstuff as a stop gap of their retarded planning and after about a year they had figured mix that wasn't actually shit.Once they actually brought out mini's made for resin casting it was generally pretty alright, but it still suffered from the usual resin problems like slips and miscast, but at least the replacement policy was very forgiving since GW knew they fucked up.
