True Neutral edition >Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread>>97461233>Thread QuestionOf the rumors of upcoming releases, what are you most excited about and why?
Rumored Releases>Warriors of Chaos range refresh>Tomb Kings vs Wood Elves Starter Box>Kislev general release
>>97472496>TQGuess WoC refresh since it seems the most likely, and I'm curious how SG will make them distinct from the current AoS line of Chaos Warriors
>>97472515>warriors I literally can’t give a fucking shit about. There are so many proxies out there both plastic, metal, and printed. The only good thing that can come out is if they’re funny looking so I can make fun of them because no matter what I’m not buying them. Especially not with the state chaos is in rn gameplay wise. >Tomb KingsYawwwn>wood elves Probably only thing im looking forward to, I don’t want a new dragon, anything but the fucking dragon. Give me a stag lord and hawk mounts first, everyone’s fucking running a dragon I want proper wood elf stuff first.>kislev If they keep the rustic look and baba yaga stuff I can care otherwise it’s whatever.
>>97472653Are you aware that there is currently a great stag lord model? And he looks great imo.
>>97472653>>97472704
>>97472711>>97472704I’m not working with metal if I can’t help it. And it could look better. I’ll admit it was impressive in its time.
>>97472723Metal is great what don’t you like about it?
Minor Necromancer conversion for my Mordheim Undead
>>97469955I forgot to mention that you can go for Oathmark Revenants without shields to add even more zombies.(You can always keep and paint the shields, without gluing them, just in case that you will want to represent proper armored revenants in the future)
>>97472887Kino, where’d you get the skull (for his face)
>>97472914The box o' skulls Citadel does
>>97472887What kit is the bird from
>>97472949WHFB Giant
>>97472996How did GW cook so hard with that kit, incredible fucking bits all over it
>>97473046NTA but if you want a bunch of them cheap. They sell a " Sons of Behemat " Spearhead in AoS that is literally just 3 WHFB plastic giant kits. You'd only need to source square bases for them.
>>97473207They come with square bases in the sprue.
>>97473219Oh yeah look at that. Is it the same size as the current WHFB giant?
>>97473226its the smallest possible option for it, but yeah.
>>97473241Interesting. I am considering picking up one of those spearheads in the future. Not because I need 3 giants but because I assume they will be going away in a couple years and that kit is incredibly versatile. But if I do it'll only be after they announce that kits replacement.
I think I am going crazy. After ages looking forward to the Orc Command set, loving the Orc Warboss from it, suddenly I am looking at this guy.I have him, but am I crazy for wanting this guy to be my general instead? His entire miniature SCREAMS fluff.
>>97472996i was so hoping you were going to respond with Box o' birds
>>97473403have them fight and let the biggest and meanest and greenest lead your army
Are Ghoritch's 6th ed rules too much for TOW?He'd be Monstrous Infantry like other Rat Ogres
>>97473669Probably not. You would just need to translate some things (so Ap-2 on the claws, maybe some sort of armorbane/sundering blows - theres functionally no outright "ignores armor" weapons in TOW, even cannons are only AP-3 normally)
I heard that new rules got put out..Surely they gave Skaven a boost in the new rules, right?
>>97472496>TQBeing excited for new releases would imply that I'd buy miniatures from GW.>>97472515>Kislev general releaseThis is one I'm actively not looking forward to, unless they - by some miracle - decide to re-release much of the old range and stick to that aesthetic. However, reading up on the TW information provided online (and looking at images, I've played TWW3 for about 30 minutes only) GW signed off on a much more vague medieval fantasy aesthetic for Kislev. Admittedly they don't look too goofy and high fantasy (except for the fucking bears everywhere), but beyond some units that they apparently released in 2022 they don't really capture that 16th and early 17th century Muscovite & Polish vibe that Kislev had.They also seemed to have downplayed a lot of that older lore. The Gospodar-Ungol split is mostly gone now, besides for vague background fluff, and they're focusing much more on "haha funny ra ra rasputin meme" shit with that Kostaltyn guy, although he will luckily not be involved in any Kislev range release. Also baba yaga shit, which I absolutely don't get why it got so popular in recent years. It's such a minor aspect of "slavic" folklore, yet it needs to be shoehorned in everything mentioning medieval Russia... atleast it probably won't appear in any Kislev release, since GW can't copyright it.I'd rather wish that they stuck to the classic Tsar Ivan style fantasy Russians, with their weird interpretation of pike & shotte warfare. Maybe add some obvious oprichnina rip-off, I don't know. That would make it both way more fun and way more proxy-friendly. GW let the Empire exist without many changes to avoid proxying, so I hold a faint glimmer of hope that they will take the old school route... and let me use proxies that aesthetically fit.
>>97473820No, mr shitposter. If you’re posting charts you know they said they won’t be updating legacy lists.
>>97473846Ask me how I know you don’t own and have never owned a single fantasy model historicalfaggot? (You got your old lore about Kislev wrong).
>>97473854OHHH WELL HOW DARE I HOPE FOR AN UPDATE OF SKAVEN, THEY ARE IN THE LEGACY LIST, HOW COULD I POSSIBLY DARE FOR THAT I kneel down to your superior knowledge anon how grand you are, I should be waiting for the BIG NEW CATHAY UPDATE
>>97473877Post a skaven model with timestamp
>>97473867>being this wrongYou should kill yourself NOW, schizoposter!>You got your old lore about Kislev wrongOkay, and? Maybe I should have rephrased it more as in vague aesthetics, since that's the part I actually care about.
>>97473887Post a skaven rule update with timestamp..I am going to judge it on its quality, by the way
>>97473820Yea man, with the big sweeping changes they made surely skaven got something right!I know youre baiting, but you picked a balance update with like 6 total changes to talk about, and three of those changes were nerfs to cathay baloons
>>97473904>no timestamp>>97473905>no models
>>97473931>no timestampI'm not some retarded b or soc e-girl that you want to verify. Go do an image search on your browser(s) to see whether I stole it from somewhere else or not.Secondaries, I swear...
fellas what is your favorite model to use as a chaos giant? I have my woc battalion arriving on monday and wanna eventually add a giant after that.
Gee, sounds like Skaven are just as bad if not even worse in the current edition..Why should I even bother? Time to learn 6th edition
>>97473887>>97473931>No rule update stampJust as I thought..Oh well..
Meteor hammer + crown of eternal conquest or crown + meteoric iron armor (and great weapon) for a chaos lord on chariot?
>>97473820Anon they nerfed dwarfs (slayer cult's fault but affects all dwarfs), be glad they ignore legacy lest they hit you again.
>>97474267I won't be "glad" they ignored anything, the rules suck more and more the more I look at them and I do not have to play with these rules at all, what kind of slave are you to say "be glad they didnt hit your guys as bad as mine"
>>97474267The absolute state of Tow, I am torn between two themes for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9CJIlFGOQand this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbnvOqVNyM
>>97474250The chariot gives you a 3+ armour save, unless you're taking Unnatural Fortitude you don't need to take the Armour of Meteoric Iron. I personally think the Meteor Hammer is overrated, especially on a chaos lord. You're already starting at S5, you're going to end the game at S6 or S7 with a bit of luck, so you don't get as much value out of it as a lesser hero would. Neither of your propose sets of magic items are good.
>>97473820>oh no, I'll lose 1 more game out of 10 compared to the average army WHATEVER SHALL I DO!
>come back hours later>histfag still shitpostingImagine spending your limited time on earth like this lmao
>>97474362You just don't get it, brother, and you never will
===SoC list test [1999 pts]===++ Characters [725 pts] ++Chaos Lord [444 pts] - Great weapon- Full plate armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- General- Chaos Chariot- Crown of Everlasting Conquest- Armour of Meteoric Iron- Extra Arm- Unnatural Fortitude- LongstridersSorcerer Lord [281 pts] - Hand weapon- Heavy armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Wizard [Level 4 Wizard]- Chaos Steed- Lore Familiar- Brazen Will- Daemonology++ Core Units [598 pts] ++6 Chaos Knights [204 pts] - Lances- Shields- Heavy armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne]- Champion- Standard bearer- Musician5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)5 Marauder Horsemen [87 pts] - Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- Light armour- Shields- Throwing axes- Chaotic Cult [None]- Formation [Skirmishers]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude12 Chaos Warriors [247 pts] - Halberds- Heavy armour- Shields- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne]- Champion [Taskmaster's Scourge]- Standard bearer- Musician++ Special Units [301 pts] ++5 Chosen Chaos Knights [301 pts] - Lances- Shields- Full plate armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion [Obsidian Lodestone]- Standard bearer [Totem of Wrath]- Musician- Dark Hearts++ Rare Units [375 pts] ++Warpfire Dragon [375 pts] - Wicked Claws- Warpfire Blast- Full plate armour (Draconic scales)How does this look? >>97474344That (and vanguard T1) was the benefit of meteoric armor. That and "I dont know how many cannons im going to be facing". Theres just not many good weapons (especially that leave you with other options" so I dont see many other loadouts. Ogre blade seems like a meme, too risky.
>>97474388An alternative lord build im considering (for when I finish the conversion) is:LordDemonic MountArmor, Crown, Pendant of DamnationGreat Weapon. And then try farm attacks via regeneration saves. Much less durable, but much faster and potentially higher damage. And like 50pts cheaper.
>>97474388>>97474408I don't have anything to say other than Chaos Lords having a built in 5+ ward is bullshit
>>97474438Fuck you. We pay like 200pts base for fucking WS6. Give us our proper statlines back and ill pay for a talisman of protection like everyone else. Also put strength = AP back while youre at it.
>>97474290>what kind of slave are youDefinitely not a Skavenslave, thanks TOW!
>>97474450Oh and also take everyone elses plate armor. That was our thing and those cunts stole it.
>>97474450Dude you have Gaze of the Dark Gods. Stupidity on a LD 9 being the worst case scenario. Chaos Lords are stacked.
>>97474450Chaos Lords are WS7 at 195pts
>>97474408I've been tinkering with something similar, except with a lance, shield, crown, pendant, brazen collar, 2x favour, enchanting aura, acid ichor, battle hunger, and dark hearts. You could swap out one favour to replace the crown with the talisman of the carrion crow to get poisoned attacks, but some schmuck chaos lord having a collar from khorne and a necklace from nurgle bothers me, so I won't. The maso-blender daemonic mount lord has potential, but I'll need to wait until the model I wanted to use for it gets delivered before giving it a try in an actual game. The GW setup also works, but I think a lance is better 'cause being able to take a shield puts you at a 3+ save and not having to take the armour of meteoric iron lets you get MR2 instead, though there is an argument to be made that you could just take the mark of Tzeentch instead.Good lord, this might be the only legitimate use case for the mark of Tzeentch on a non-sorcerer character. That's wild.
>>97474450>>97474480Now pay for the TOP
>>97472496Wood Elfs vs Tomb Kings starter box, no contest. I'd buy that in a heartbeat
>>97473820I haven’t lost a match with my rats in like 8 months, motivate feed your rats better silly mouseling>>97474453Run your slaves as giant rats, it’s basically the same thing.
>>97474438It's genuinely annoying because it makes picking out magic items boring and it completely invalidates several magic items and spells. Ward saves not combining is also why the mark of Tzeentch is the way it is and that's an even graver sin. You know what's actually fucked, though? Daemon Princes only having four wounds. I don't care that they have a 4++ or even a free 5+++ (that gets turned off vs. magical attacks), 4W is not acceptable.
>>97474497I will when we get our proper statline back, rather than this gimped ToW stuff.
>>97474481I considered a lance, but the threat of being bogged down seemed too much. Especially without countercharge on the demonic steed.
Reporting in after last weekends TnT invitational event that my club put on.We had 25 players from across the state participating, playing 2 5 person games last Saturday.Overall it was a huge success with lots of beer, snacks, and treacherous gameplay
>>97474549Yeah, that's a fair point, but anything that could bog you down is something you shouldn't be charging in the first place and something that you can out-charge and out-manoeuvre. Also, made a mistake, no battle hunger. Only works on infantry.
>>97474557Game 1 featured this wild combat where a brick of chaos knights overran some Pegasus knights into the flank of the bretonnians knights of the realm brick. The brets fbigo’d and held against the knights for 3 rounds. My bone giants chased the combat for those 3 rounds hoping to snag points for eating the survivor, but before I could the bretonnians had a wild combat killing 4 of the knights and taking no casualties in return, then catching the chaos warriors as they broke and fled.
>>97474574In game 2 I deployed poorly, and a skaven player with a fell blade warlord got a t1 charge in my ushabti and tore through all my multi wound models before I could strike back. Eventually my bone giants found themselves surrounded by giant ratmen. They went down swinging, I scared off with terror checks or beat in combat all of the skaven units until the stormvermin were able to turn around and chop them down.
>>97474587I did have the pleasure of watching the stormvermin get crushed by some new chaos marauders, and then watch those marauders run down by even more bretonnians.At the end of the day, the victor in our table was the dwarf player who sat in his corner doing nothing but take pot shots all day long.Coward.
>>97474536Dude you can get him to t6 easily and t7 the turn you charge. Here’s an example build. He has 3 layers of saves.6’s in cc against him are rerolled.4+ 4++ +5 regen(vs non magic)Has enough ws almost everything hits him on 5’s (and by the end of every game everything will be doing just that due to gaze)490 - Daemon Princes, Light Armour, Fly (9), Mark of Nurgle, Enchanting Aura, General, Wizard Level 4, Daemonology, Biting Blade, Daemonic Platemail, Healing PotionRun a block of infantry which gets steed of shadowed and protects him fromRegular shooting due to staying close and enjoy his 360 degree sight/charge range man.Maybe you are using him wrong?Here’s an example build, you could probably drop himTo lvl 1 and just take fleshy abundance if you wanted to save points. Like if you keep him safe from cannons and use him as a force multiplier- ie he hits some fuckers in the side as a joint charge you invalidate his only weakness(crumbing against static cr)Post how you build yours and if you run them with infantry anti targeting support.
>>97472496I need Beastmen x Warriors of Chaos and I need it now.
>>97474557Thanks for posting anon, it looks like a blast. I was rooting for the skaven player in truth. But shame about being made fell blades breakfast. Did the doomflayer do particularly much? Shame about the dwarf player, if only there were some beasts or other ambushers to keep him honest(or at least spike his warmachines)
Now that the dust has finally settled, what went wrong? What went right? Has it become your go-to Warhammer ttrpg system or did you stick to 2e?
What should I get for a dwarf army?
>>97474848The battalion box for dwarfs is a great start. It'll give you a lot of models to get started on. Just run the warriors as longbeards.
Why don't more people run healing potions? Seems like really good value for expensive defensive lords.
>>97473403The scale armour and helmet sure are impressive
>>97474596>At the end of the day, the victor in our table was the dwarf player who sat in his corner doing nothing but take pot shots all day long.That sounds extremely boring, even for a dwarf player
Undisputed kings of the hill.
>>97474843The system is better than 4e, the book just needed better formatting.
Somebody brought it up last thread, but how come we almost never see tomb kings armies that deviate from the standard teal khemri paintjob?
>>97472496TKs are such chads.
>>974748432e is better
>>97475225because its the superior color scheme. even thousand sons in 40k have it.
>>97475225Any full painted army with bottom right scheme? The cow one, looks better than the official one
I played a lot of whfb back in the day with orcs and goblins, sold them and got into 40k. I've ever only used one army because the rest didn't appeal to me. Now that I'm back to fantasy (mainly painting and playing casually) how do you fight the urge of getting a new army when you haven't finished the previous one? I love painting HE, but after playing vermintide 2 with a few friends I kinda want a wholesome dwarf army that fights rats during the day and drink beer in the evening
>>97474506Sigmar protect me...>>97475225GW picks a posterboy for most armies with clear faction divisions to put on the box and webshop art, but a lot of hobbyists out there only follow paint guides that are generally based on said posterboys. Hence why for 40k the majority of Space Marines you'll find (excluding the greytides) are Ultramarines, half the Empire armies out there are Talabheim soldiers masquerading as Reiklanders and often led by KF in Altdorf colours, and Stormcasts are virtually always painted in the gold and blue scheme.A lot of hobbyists get genuine anxiety from coming up with their colour schemes, and especially for space marines they will follow guides that explicitly say which drop of paint has to be placed on which tiny piece of the model. They're also always build according to the box art, no kitbashing in sight. It's kinda sad for a hobby that's meant to be artistic self-expression besides just the dice game.
Wish me luck /wfg/ Playing my first battle of ToW tomorrow with my 1500p chaos list "Band of the black sigil". Using manticores, dragons and other stuff in such a small list is metafaggotry so I just have a small raiding band of 40 warriors, 10 knights and 1 chariot. Playing against Skaven.
>>97474934>>97473421Thank you ladz. I like the idea of having them fight it out. I will paint up the big un boss and see how it goes!Orc Big Boss with HW+Heavy armour and charmed shield VsOrc Big Boss with great weapon and meteoric iron armour.
>>97475317Good luck man but I must, must urge you to use at least one unit of warhounds to screen. 1500 point skaven can be nasty with their ratling guns.
>>97475323Maybe.. I just want to have a norse raiding band so I'll be adding 40 marauders and potentially some hounds moving forward. The most important part is that I have a lot of bodies. A rank and flank game, in my opinion should have many models. Not a small few and one or two monsters.
>>97475317Good luck! Excellent looking army!Also, as a Skaven player, let me tell you how to win.Charge his biggest unit of clanrats or stormvermin with your knights, watch as they runaway thanks to your first charge rule.
>>97475331Ok that is fine. Place marauders in skirmish and put them in front of the warriors. Let them die while your hard units advance.
These can fit in with border exiles right?
>>97475362Maybe if you replace the muskets
>>97475362No. Play historishit if you want to use Napoleonic models
>>97475317Based movement tray baser
2000pts of Chaos + 1000prs dark elvesvs2000pts of Skaven + 1000pts of Ogres
>>97475362>28 figures a box when you want at least 32 for a proper unit or lineThis is like that box of Boyz that had 19 orcs in it when you wanted at least 20.
>>97475426The marauder horsemen pass their terror test but fail their fear check twice and watch the hellpit eat the cold one knights
>>97475432Chaos Champion of Khorne and Warriors blend through slaves and push on into the screaming bell. A miscast happens allowing the grey seer to cast a spell for free - the dreaded 13th! the warriors are all turned into clanrats. The sorceress and her spearmen are destroyed by the doomwheel and gorger in the rear.Minor victory to the skaven and ogres
Selling f-ACK!
>>97475485Is this in Luxembourg again?
how do i prime models in -28C?
>>97475501Indoors
>>97475501This >>97475510Get a big cardboard box to spray into it'll catch the excess paint, seal the 'back' off with tape so it won't vent out all over your room.And remember to not breath in the fumes.
Skellington Warriors?
>>97475576i have over 120 skellies
>>97475485by all metrics NO GW product is selling well at the minute, I think we could very well see them move into media in the hopes of relying on that income with a downsizing of the miniature aspect. In some ways it was inevitable, I guess covid held them back for a time.
>>97475595I'm expecting them to go with female space marines in about 3-5 years time at this point just to try to squeeze out a few more bucks from their paypiggies
Going to try to make some units from Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the DamnedStarting with Diseases Flagellants Going to mix the new zombie kit (minus stupid roots and branches) with empire flagellants and use them as marauders (since they're both light troops with flails)
>>97475485>elvesof course they dont sell
>>97475614Cool! If you could share some more units from the book, that would be really appreciated
>>97475588Nice dubs. Prove it.
So what are the chances of a Vampire faction release? Don't really keep up with Old World a lot but I feel like the very fact Soulblight Gravelords exist immediately puts a damper on them ever coming to Old World.Should I just build an army using the legacy rules if I'm interested in them?
>>97475719highly doubt it. If they move a legacy faction to core it will be dark elves.
>>97475362not without some drastic rework this is how I headcanon later eras uniforms in the border princes, >all the disparate rulers, or would be rulers, of the border princes can roughly be sorted on two characteristics: whether they are rich or poor, and whether they still cling to the cultures of their lands of origins or not>when norms and traditions are maintained, as it's often the case for recent exiles, the majority of them for the region is a dangerous one of ever dominant powers, the princedom is a microcosm of their nation of birth, albeit with more tense relations and the occasional compromise here and there>it is in the older and more radical lines of exiled nobles where the princedoms explode in extravagance and ingenuity, enough to rival or exceed the land of tilea (even though tileans are quick to disregard anything they don't do as being in extremely bad taste)>on the poorer end of the radical-exiled spectrum we find hardened survivors, brigands and mercenaries whose resourcefulness has seen them turn their title of "scrap knights" from an insulting moniker to a dreaded name; not in small part thanks to surprising stable partnerships with the tribes of greenskins and other barbarians of the northern badlands>on the other end, the richer an exiled noble is, the more likely they are to cling to that lifestyle and try to maintain an impression of opulence and success at all costs: their courts are spectacular parades of unwieldy dresses, wigs, headgears and elite troops of bodyguards with the most avantgarde trends and developments in technology, and they often boast menageries of rare and noble beasts that would legitimise their status, like dragons and unicorns
>>97475799>but in most cases that's a desperate façade, for underneath the surface, many of their courts are dilapidated in the attempt to appear as rich and powerful as possible; the majority of the showcased riches and jewels are fake baubles; the elaborate dresses and fancy uniforms they're renown for are always falling apart and haphazardly patched together; their seemingly advanced weaponry are either impressive but mostly nonfunctional, or prototypes whose practicality and effectiveness rarely matches the standard of other kingdoms; even their beasts are lies, from chariots with terrifying sculptures mounted atop, horses with purely aesthetic prosthetics, or tamed wyverns passed as dragons (still an impressive feat by all accounts)>nonetheless the test of time has proven that the pauper lords are anything but dangerous and full of tricks up their excessively lavish sleeves. tl;dr: they are not technologically advanced, they're just weirdly dressed
Thread's a bit dull, so post lore about /YourDudes/?Rate, critique, help and discuss each other's fluff.To kick things off here are my dudes (posting catbox link due to PDFs not being available to post)>https://files.catbox.moe/zpunau.pdfI am still working on this, planning to add more entries to other units as I go along.
>>97472496>>97472515>TQReally only excited for the potential TK vs WE box. It’ll be a hopefully cheaper way for my buddy to got into Wood Elves, and theoretically there should be new models for them as well which would be cool. Same goes for TK since I think they deserve some more new stuff too.
>>97476085I never got why they have to wear lemon slices
>>97475429And they're charging more than the Perry Miniatures box, when Perry boxes come with 40 troops instead of 28 lmfao
>>97473771AP-3?The meteor hammer exists now plus that also has the always wound on 3+ ruleA Doombull has similar, though better, stats and with the hammer is 260pts. It also has a bunch of special rules whereas the only thing Ghoritch has over the Doombull is FrenzyHonestly, maybe I just make him a Doombull with the Hammer and lose the Chaos stuff
>>97475570But how will you gain the paints power if you don't breath it in?
>>97476011do you have to constantly repost this shit
>>97476099It's their way of implying they're going to squeeze you with their sour disposition
>>97475501Brush on primerAirbrush
>>97476171Flat Ap-3 could also work.
I’m giving up on my empire army to learn how to play the harmonica.
wtf does an empire daemonology wizard even look like, I wish they had done a model of that, it's pretty easy to know what empire wizards for the other lores look like
>>97476528here some artwork from TOWRPG of a demonoligists
>>97476528
>>97476528>wtf does an empire daemonology wizard even look likeIts basically just anyone using chaos magic, so "like a normal wizard but with chaos doodads" or whatever.
>>97475719Legacy armies are never coming back. Play a real edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles instead.
>>97476557>>97476559That's just a bloke!
>>97476574It's a bloke with some chaos tomes and talisman bits
>>97476424I just made a Doombull with the MHammer but kept him at 255 points.Ghoritch has Frenzy and a reroll on units that all already ignore Psychology testsGhoritch lacks Impact Hits (-1), Primal Fury rerolls, Giga Frenzy, access to more magic items and the Mutations. Plus the only unit he can join, or I would reasonably put him in, would be ROgres which are so god awful that Ghoritch is going to end up with brain damage after the first combat.
>>97476602Could always drop the points if he feels underwhelming. 230pts?
>>97472515>Tomb Kings vs Wood Elves Starter BoxThis one has always sounded retarded to me. What's the lore going to be around it?
>>97476616I think it's retarded for business side of things as neither of those are very popular. Wood elves seem to be the least popular race. Just make Empire vs Chaos and print money.
>>97476528imagine a normal wizard but covered in even weirder stuff than usual even for a wizard
>>97476616You know how some countries are taking active de-desertification measures, plenting lots of shubberies and trees in order to help screen advncing desert and better bind the soil?That, but it's the Elves doing it, and the Tomb Kings are miffed about their beautiful dead wastelands being destroyed.Or even the reverse.Fantasy environmentalism is pretty hardcore.
>>97475799>and they often boast menageries of rare and noble beasts that would legitimise their status, like dragons and unicornsAltdorf has one (1) dragon, the only dragon in the empire, hes there because he likes it and no-one got to ride him except KF because theyre kinda friends. Zero chance anyone in the border princes (that isnt an elf or chaos warlord) has a dragon.
>>97476616this was posted last thread from the war of settra's fury journal
>>97475312To be fair though, GW often do pick a banger for their posterboy faction schemes - which they have obvious incentive to do, since the posterboys exist to be appealing enough to sell things - so a lot of the people just "uncreatively" replicating it do so because they genuinely find it appealing.
>>97475608But that's a retarded strategy, because their paypiggies are not the penniless social meeja poofters who constantly agitate for female marines. Seriously watch what happens with femstodes - all the activist wanks on instagram etc will buy *maybe* one box and (badly)paint *maybe* one model to try and prove they aren't just soulless harpies who's only pleasure comes from taking away ours, then every Custodes army you'll see going forward will continue to be 99% helmeted and completely ignore the gender thing because the people who actually buy armies don't give a fuck.
>>97476700>The Bretonnian guards watching the first skeletons go into the woods.
>>97476730Mhm, they miss quite often too though. The recent aos chorfs look better in literally every other colour scheme but the default one, it's actually kind of funny. Cathay's also is kind of meh.
>>97476699Correct
>>97476700Given we have never heard of this dude since/in previous editions, I assume the invasion went well and he just went home afterwards because of how successful it was
>>97476792if it's written like any normal gw campaign book, the defender will ultimately fend off the attack but the aggressor will achieve whatever special objective they were there for in the first place
>>97476752>all the activist wanks on instagram etc will buy *maybe* one box and (badly)paint *maybe* one model to try and prove they aren't just soulless harpies who's only pleasure comes from taking away ours, then every Custodes army you'll see going forward will continue to be 99% helmeted and completely ignore the gender thing because the people who actually buy armies don't give a fuck.So thats +14 boxes (or however many "activist wanks" there are) sold then. If most players dont care, and then some small number care (positive) a small bit, thats a win for GW/ I doubt theyre going to do femmarines, but the custodes with female heads will probably do well/fine for GW, because the people who actually buy boxes dont care and some small number of people might now buy it when they previously wouldnt.
>>97475614I kind of did that. Though I was unaware of that unit existing. I just wanted a cultish plagued mob to follow my ‘Kindly Stranger’ chaos lord.
The new custodes will literally outsell the entirety of what tow has managed since its inception.
>>97476852That seems unlikely. Its a range refresh for core units people already have aimed at HH (where theyre a not particularly popular faction). Itll sell fine, but its not going to do gangbusters.
>>97476852and do you think they'll do that because of the cuntodes or in spite of them?
>>97476852HH Fomo boxes generally don't sell out in a week or two, unlike the TOW ones The Mechanicum Skitarii Battle Group box they released a while back is an example of that.
>>97476860>>97476872I’m looking online and I can still find a few Solar Auxilia FOMO launch boxes from well over a year ago. The only thing that sells well in HH are space marine kits and that’s only because it’s the same kits for 20 different armies. If you look at actual engagement online. How many views HH vids get etc. it’s not a very popular game, certainly far less popular than TOW.
>>97476906Thats probably true. HH has very "dedicated" players, the average pts is 3000 and most players have a lot more than that. But it has a smaller number of players, in no small part due to still being weird and inaccessible.
>>97476860its effectively a 40k refresh. They go out of their way to say as much in the article.>>97476863we both know in our hearts what the answer is. >>97476872>HH Fomo boxes generally don't sell out in a week or twoThats because they produce more HH boxes than what tow does. Tow is similar in killteam in that they purposefully under produces its boxes to ensure they do sell out.
>>97476916It also has the reputation as the Space Marine game, so anything which isn't a Space Marine will always be seen as secondary at best
>>97476923Idk, they’ll outsell the HoH launch for sure. But they won’t do Cathay numbers. It’s also going to be funny when in 6 months GW invalidates their rules for 40k.
>>97476923>its effectively a 40k refreshIts compatible for 40k, but its very clearly aimed at HH. Outside the base guards the units they touched (achilles contemptors, jetpack dudes, pallas tanks/transports) are all much more significant in HH than in 40k (do they even have - non legacy - rules there?)
>>97476923>Tow is similar in killteam in that they purposefully under produces its boxes to ensure they do sell out.Do you have any evidence of that?
>>97476935>but they won’t do Cathay numbers.cathay flopped after miao yings wave dropped lets be real here.
>>97476936Everything that was shown in the preview has rules in 40k. The tank in particular is the biggest want for 40k players. The jet pack dudes will be scalped alone just for the fact that they have the wings that sanguinary guard lack.
>>97476939Cathay did space marine numbers from what the rumour mongers heard. Outsold every AoS launch. That’s actually what we heard, and why they rushed the second wave out in like 5 months after the first. Meanwhile HoH army sets (fomo) can still be found in significant numbers for sale at third party stores.
>>97476820These are very nicely painted
>>97476961There is some rooted shame in this post. Dont worry, im sure cathay outsold what legion imperialis or aos does on a good week, but it doesn't compare to what HH does.
>>97476961>Cathay did space marine numbers from what the rumour mongers heardWhich rumour mongers?
>>97476998probably the same person who had the fimir rumors.
>>97476996>nuh uh! Lmao
>>97477031Its better than saying "my dad at nintendo said----"
>>97476996>>97477019Get out of here perry/histnigger. While your new avenue of attack is at least refreshing. You are not intelligent enough to conceal your identity in your posts. >>97477038>tp Lmao, 0 self awareness.
>>97476700So we're counting the welves vs kangs rumor as 100% real?
>>97477065i woulden't personally since doing a starter set like that seems kinda odd
>>97476961Every fomo set from the past year or so can be found at a third party store if you look hard enough. Besides, didn't the nuchorf box sell out on the webstore at launch?>>97477065The rest of the faq leaks were spot on, so it's becoming more and more likely
A friends general.
Welp, I tried. >>97442587
>>97477124Bah, when zoomed in like this I can see errors. At least I haven't clear coated yet so I can fix some paint slips
>>97477111Impressive patterns. >>97477081A wood elf vs TK box would be great. The tks have obvious kits that need refreshing, but I wonder what they would do for the wood elves.
>>97477124Unironically thin your paints
>>97477111for some reason he just looks larger than what I know it ismust be the great paintjob
>>97477134>I wonder what they would do for the wood elves.People keep saying this even though the faction is in a rather dire need of a refresh really says how unpopular wood elves are.
>>97477134>I wonder what they would do for the wood elves.wardancers and waywatchers and generic Wood elf noble charecter horse and foot options
>>97477168I just mean that everything in the range holds up pretty well imo except for the beast packs but that’s something they only just brought back. I even prefer the older treemen they brought back to the 8th edition ones.
>>97477184The only things that hold up well are the dryds (of which aren’t sold in tow), the eternal guard kit, and the wild rider kit. Everything else either aged like shit or isn’t in plastic. Treelords in particular can stay in Aos, they really were an endtimes model designed for a whole other army that wasn’t for wood elves. Japanese high heels and all.
Are Wood Elves broken or do I just suck at this game? It seems like every unit has Strikes First, Furious Charge, Frenzy AP 2 and Ranged Weapons at BS 4. I just got stomped by them again though so I am seething RN and it might be my perception.
>>97477248Wood elves are probably the weakest core army in the game at the moment. You probably just need more practice.
>>97477248No, they are underperforming. https://oldworldrankings.com/faction_stats
>>97477261thought that was Skaven or are we only counting mainline factions?
>>97477264>Wood elves are probably the weakest core army
>>97477261Yeah I don't play this game that much, I'm more of a historicals guy.>>97477262I only play legends factions so maybe that has something to do with it? I use the renegade rulesets though, so any difference should be minimal. I guess I just suck, even though I do know the tactics it takes to win.
>>97477308>legends factionssadly, yes that is probably the issue. Except Vampires who surf on decent TK undead mechanics and just have great stat lines for thei rmodels, the rest are lagging behind for a multitude of tiny problems compounding on each other.
>>97477134>but I wonder what they would do for the wood elves.waywatchers and wardancers are infantry models that are still in metal, making them priorities and assuming they keep things similar to how they've handled the latest horus heresy starter, we're looking at one centerpiece per side, which I believe could easily be a wood elven lord on eagle and a hierophant on big chariot
>>97477168>the faction is in a rather dire need of a refreshNo, it isn't, its troops hold up great and had one of the latest releases of 8th in any case.
>>97477352dude. The archers are dogshit ugly. Same for the glade riders. They're on par with the high elf basic troops.>one of the latest releases of 8th in any case.fucking pretty much everyone besides brets had releases in 7th-8th, that doesnt mean anything.
>>97477361>The archers are dogshit ugly. Same for the glade riders. They're on par with the high elf basic troops.You're fucking blind, they don't have any of the proportional issues of the old high elves' plastics, even the horses are a whole other deal in terms of poses and details.
>>97477065i cant process this image lol.looks like a bone giant being impaled and lifted in the air by a dryad? a female tree’man’? but their sizes don’t compute, and it looks like the tree is in the foreground, with the bone giant in the background. wha
>>97477601dude... dryads
>>97477601It's a Tomb Guard not a Bone Giant.
>>97477601You have an elf standing right next to the dryad. How in the bittersweet fuck did you start thinking that was a giant?
>>97477601It’s a dryad impaling and lifting a regular skeleton, anon; I honestly don’t know how your getting such a difference in scale from.
Most of you probably already know, but heads up don’t use natural hair brushes and metallics together. The metallic paint messes up natty bristles.
>>97477601Its a tomb guard being lifted up by a Dryad.
Finished my Necromancer. Maybe. Do I need to paint in some evil green eyes?
>>97477915I may be retarded
>>97477938Just tiniest pinprick red/green/white eyes maybe?
>>97477938What recipe did you look for the robe? Looks great
>>97476811You get that you just restated what I said but spinning the tiny amount of activist buys as somehow being a positive rather than the originally implied irrelevance, right?
>>97477938I wouldn't say need, but it'd probably improve it a little bit,
>>97477065Where's this from?
>>97477953>>97478011Yeah, trying to mull it over. Don't want to ruin the model, but I guess cleaning it up would be easy enough.>>97477994Robe is black/white zenithal > Black Templar > drybrush white > glaze made with Dark Reaper > drybrush all over with Dark Reaper 1:1 with Grey Seer > tiny edge highlight with Administratum Grey
>>97478007Yes, because a small positive is still a positive as far as bean counters are concerned.
We need some more multi table grand epic battles in TOW, none of this pickup game slop
Anyone here have Elise Duchard? How does she compare size wise to a normal horseman. Tempted to get her for a mounted chaos sorcerer.
Here's a map that I found.From 1986 (I believe it's from WHRP1), it shows the Western side of the Empire.
>>97478188I'm surprised Uberseik was a city even back then.also do any WFB maps have the swamp west of Middenheim(Schadensumpf) in them, or is that a purely WFRP piece of geography?
>>97478188>>97478202God, that sovl dripping off of just two maps. The Empire truly is the best fantasy nation.
>>97478202I'm honestly struggling to find any swamp in that area, on any WFB map. Even the most recent maps don't show Schadensumpf.But yeah, I'm really surprised overall on how well defined The Empire already was, 40 years ago.>>97478218Unironically this.
The only question is if the versus box is real, which army do I start? I think I like wood elves more as a faction but I think painting skeletons will be more enjoyable.
>>97478202>Middle Mountains is basically the Chaos Wastes full of Norscan enclaves that have never been defeated>is still just called the "Middle Mountains"
>>97478273an intersting omission from that old WFRP1e map is Hergig, Hochland doesn't have any towns in it besides Bergsberg
>>97478280That's really only Brass Keep, which has a massive siege encampment around it. The rest of the middle mountains are pretty mundane with Orc and Goblin tribes and a few ruined dwarf hold but nothing really wierd not counting endtimes stuff
>>97478280>Middle Mountains is basically the Chaos Wastes full of Norscan enclaves that have never been defeatedThe Middle Mountains are mostly deserted save for several smaller orc and goblin tribes, and sometime after Great War the Brass Keep got occupied by the stinky variant of Norscans. Oh, and loads of monsters. The lore in general is a bit iffy on this region because dwarves apparently abandoned the region because of it not containing any minerals, but Hochland and Middenland are able to find enough to operate several mines. Perhaps dwarves don't settle for anything less than mountains filled to the brim with gems and gold (yet ironically they chose to settle underneath Middenheim of all places).Actually, Hochland's entire shtick is to be the highlands running up into the Middle Mountains (atleast the northern half of the state is), so apparently there's something of value to be found in the southern half ot the range, even if its just relatively safe grazing land for lotsa cows. I don't remember who's supposed to occupy the Brass Keep at this point in time. Sometime around Magnus' reign it had an Empire garrison. The keep only has a connection running into Ostland though, so not a problem for My Dudes to deal with!
>>97478295I might be the resident Hochland anon, but admittedly I don't know if Hergig was explicitly a thing at this point in time. If the writers intended for it to be on the Wolf's Run at this point in time then it might be located just off the map, but that changes between every map and I don't know if Hergig being in the Weiss Hills was the 'original' intended location, or whether the Wolf Run location is.
>>97478305>that scale in the bottom rightCute considering the Total Warhammer games really go all out with the Drakwald being some fucked up impossibly huge European Amazon where regular trees look like grass. I always preferred WFB having a more modest scale.
>>97478334I don't think Hertgig was a thing. I remember hearing from a grognard that there used to be a fan project about basically making a city splatbook for Bersberg, which WFRP players assumed was the province capitial
>>97478276I'd go kangs, the outdated basic troops are the only thing holding back the faction
>>97472515>Tomb Kings vs Wood Elves Starter BoxStoopid question: is it possible to buy only half of the box? I don't give a shit about Tomb Kings.
>>97478368If you split the box with someone else.
Opinion on WAP?
>>97478368>elf player is stupid Figures
>>97478402Was pretty decent when I tried it but it's been a while. Better balanced than GW's official rules.
Can a dwarf player give me a pros vs cons on collecting dwarfs? Mainly in terms of modelling. Looking for someone to deter me from starting a new army since I don't have enough room but honestly love me some homely dwarves
>>97478574With all due respect. You’re either a dwarf player or you aren’t. A dwarf player wouldn’t waffle around indecisively like you. Maybe you should start an army of guys that like to contemplate instead of acting (high elves)
>>97478402I live for wet ass pussy to be honest
>>97478608>You’re either a dwarf player or you aren’tBelieve or not, that helped a bit. I'm used to playing with VC but want a bit of gun and powder, so it's either dwarf or empire (I refuse to play cathay)
Played a comfy Dark Elves vs High Elves battle tody. My boys successfully defended their beach!
>>97478746Insane how much the Dark Elf dragon sculpt mogs the High Elf dragon sculpt. The High Elf sculpt isn't bad at all, but I find it funny that one is as tall as possible while one looks hunched over in comparison. Like the Alpha vs Virgin memes.
>>97478368Split the box with a friend. If you don't have anyone interested, when it's closer to being released. Put up some message in your local store discs and you will definitely find someone. Worst case scenario trade all the TK stuff for another half of WE stuff.
>>97478746While the seaguard did nothing (as always), the right side was bunched up in the dragon battle, while my White Lions and their Loremaster were getting ganged up on by the Black Guard, Sorceres, Dark Shards, and a unit of Dark Riders.They lost the melee and my Lore master didn't get his Spectral Doppelganger off, so they used stubborn to fallback with only the Loremaster and 5 of his White Lions remaining.During the next turns I won the Dragogn Fight and ran down his dreadlord, while my Dragon Princes got mulched by the Cold One Knights. On the right my Loremaster got Spectral Doppelganger of twice and murdered the Sorceres, Blackguard unit and 2 Dark riders by himself.cont...
>>97478776I love the blue on your dragon, you painted it very nicely.
>>97478776During my last turn I charged the Dark Shards with my Loremaster in an attempt to lock him in combat and save him from their crossbows.On the way in he deflected most of the shots coming in but he took one bolt to the chest on his way in. During the combat he murdered half the unit with spectral doppelganger, cleaving through their shields and dodging their blades. However, after so many battles fought and being wounded by a bolt, one of the Dark Elf warrior's blades found it's way through his guard and stabbed him through the heart.In the end, he took a total of 600 points by himself and became a legend among the Loremasters of Ulthuan.
>>97478787thanks! Lots of drybrushing, and glazing on repeat.
>>97477938Did you cut that bird from the walls and fences kit?
>>97478855NTA but he said yesterday it was from the giant sprue.
God damn how are we only now just getting the marauders for pre order was the box not released like months ago? We still have to get the Cathay fomo box before we get new shit aaaaaaaaaa
Thoughts on this list? The Pox Locus of Mousillon [992 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Open War===++ Characters [390 pts] ++Pox-cult Demagogue (Sorcerer Lord) [390 pts] - Hand weapon- Heavy armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Nurgle]- Wizard [Level 4 Wizard]- General- Chaos Chariot [Mark of Nurgle]- Arcane Familiar- Unnatural Fortitude- Dark Magic++ Core Units [267 pts] ++21 Diseased Flagellants (Chaos Marauders) [227 pts] - Hand weapons- Flails- Light armour- Chaotic Cult [Cult of the Carrion Crow]- Formation [Close Order]- Marauder Headman (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude5 Mange-beasts (Chaos Warhounds) [40 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)- Poisoned Attacks- Vanguard++ Special Units [185 pts] ++4 Chosen Chaos Knights [185 pts] - Hand weapons- Shields- Heavy armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Nurgle]- Champion- Standard bearer- Musician- Dark Hearts- Unnatural Fortitude++ Allies [150 pts] ++10 Pestigor Herd (Bestigor Herd) [150 pts] - Hand weapons- Great weapons- Heavy armour- Gouge-horn (champion) [Great weapon]- Standard bearer- Musician---Created with "Old World Builder"[https://old-world-builder.com]
>>97478811Magnificient ending anon, good work. - what a hero of Ulthuan->>97479316It looms pretty fun to play, got any pics?
>>97479316Cant unnatural fortitude chosen knights (god I wish), you cant take it with heavy or plate armor. Unnatural fortitude on the sorcerer isnt legal for similar reasons, although it also useless there, since the sorcerer would become the chariots T5 anyways. Maybe consider the dagger of the dark pantheon if you have the points, to have him be less bad in melee (and help your magic)
>>97474747I'm aware of how strong the mark of Nurgle is, but the model I'm using as my daemon prince (picrel) is painted in the colours of Chaos Undivided so he won't be getting that immensely helpful re-roll 6s or Fleshy Abundance. I could give him the Tome of the Dark Gods, which I in fact did along with the Rod of the Damned and the Armour of Meteoric Iron in order to have a flying piece of magical artillery that can cast 3 magic missiles per turn, but he didn't end up casting much of anything and the second I made a mistake while moving him around and left him in charge range of a shugengan lord he got evaporated.I get why the build you're talking about is better than what I did and I know there's also the Ogre Blade + Meteoric setup (which is what people at my LGS told me to run & is also what the best WoC player in Canada uses, apparently), but doesn't the fact that a 490 point model needs to have a unit babysit it so it doesn't immediately explode just prove the point that Daemon Princes aren't good? A chaos lord or exalted champion on a dragon costs about as much, fights better, and has twice as many wounds. Sure, he won't have 360* LoS... but you won't be at risk of losing 1/4 of your list if a single round of combat goes poorly or if you placed him just a little too far away from his bulletcatchers. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of having a level 4 wizard that can fly around and also fight well (that's why I painted this guy!), but 4 wounds just means he's way too frail. A single cannon-shot can kill him and even if he is protected by being near a unit, won't he just die the instant he gets into melee with anything his babysitter unit would actually need help with? I don't know, man. I'll try playing a few more games with my DP before casting judgment, but I really don't think he's actually any good.
>>97472496Honestly it'd be surreal if we did have a TK v WE box since TK have been neglected for 20+ years and now we suddenly get 2 editions in a row dedicated to them, constant refreshes and rules that aren't shit. Somebody on the TOW team must be a big TK fan.
>>97478753Pretty sure that's because Black Dragon got new model in 8th edition release while HE dragon kit remained in 6th edition.
>>97479439Nah the HE dragon is 7th edition plastic
>>97479316kino alert. I am enjoying the smaller point games and would like to play against this list
>>97479316I think the allies need to be an army in themselves anon, sorry to say.
What alternatives exist for centigor models? I know there's probably some decent Centaurs out there but I feel like if you use centaurs as centigors you've missed the point.
>>97479742if you're feeling cheap and creative you could cut up some cheap farmyard toys and use some leftover bits to make your own
Did any of you ever order plastics from avatars of war? I'm curious of how the quality is, I recently saw they started selling their older sets again.
>>97480148Yes. The dwarf slayers are decent. Most of the other stuff was mediocre and had serious mould problems (though if they're doing a fresh run they may fix that), and the dwarf hammerers equivalent was very bad, bad sculpts, bad mould, waste of money.The slayers are a modern 2010 style gw plastic kit though, flat joint arms and waist, weapon hands flat joint separated at the wrists, ball joint heads, Mohawks a separate piece, and all parts interchangeable between every model
>>97478218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp_2ZqToL4U>meanwhile Guard players stucked with cadians and mandatory space marines babysitters
>>97478218>generic medival german>fantasyhuh?
>>97480332>>generic medival german>generic
What's the best way for Empire to deal with Gyrocopters and bombers? Just fought dwarfs for the first time and got shot and bombed the fuck out of. All my shooting just bounced off their toughness and armor and my infantry couldn't do anything as they did circles around me. Looking at what they do they seem outrageously cheap so it's hard to see what would be worth taking to deal with them.
I like to imagine that TK has a mossad style operation going with human agents and informants that discretely tip off local witch hunters and lords about vampires just to fuck with them as revenge for nagash
>>97480332>what kind of early modern german are you
>>97476767just realised some of the man-at-arms are modeled after those guys
>>97479374>TK have been neglected for 20+ yearsThey got a bunch of stuff in 8th edition anon, even before the end times.
>>97478202Got this one in a higher resolution?
>>97480500not addressing the ugly troops is neglecting, they were outdated day one
>>97480646
>>97480526not one that could be posted on 4chan
Bretonnian progress. Will also have green-white and blue-green liveries.
>>97480954
>>97472496>True Neutral editionThat's ogres and noone else
>>97481100>chaos ogres>beast ogres (minotaurs)demon ogres (ruinstorm brutes)?>rat ogres>badland ogres >goblin ogres (trolls)>imperial ogres paesant ogres?pirate ogres?arab ogres (djinns)?cathay ogres?cossack ogres?>lizard ogres (kroxigors)zombie ogres?>egypt ogres (ushabtis)dwarf ogres (golems)?slave ogres?high elf ogres (elemental)?>wood elf ogres (treekin)dark elf ogres (avatars)?
>>97481172Anon the word you're looking for is monstrous infantry
>>97480954Wish I knew how to handle with white like this
>>97481172>ogre ogres (giants)
>>97481172Is the Ogre form the Fantasy version of carcinization?
>>97481296they were called giant ogres oncewhich implies the existence of small ogres
>>97479316Almost 400 points for one character in a 1000p-list? Come on anon.
>>97481308fantasy? no one is safe, it's all ogres
>>97476574Tbf that is what most Early Modern occultists looked like, they were all just posh blokes with too much time on their hands.
What army does this terrain tactically benefit most in TOW?
>>97481687Niggas that can fly and shoot. Kharadran Overlords?
>>97481687it depends on how you're home-brewing and placing thembut they look WAY too small for a normal unit to go up there, unless you consider them akin to a building, in any case the units that would benefit the most would be artillery and ranged units and wizardsespecially if it's difficult or impossible for troops on the ground to reach themaside from treating them like buildings I think good ideas rulewise would be to not place them in deployment zones at all and/or make them move randomly each movement phase (the bridged islands move together once and then you use a second roll to see how they rotate)
Another printing of the witch hunter handbook
>>97481880what happened to trying to make the books look like they could be a book that exists within the setting?
>>97481880>>97481913I literally just came here to say these two things. Cool that it’s being reprinted. Also what the fuck is that cover. Do actual children work for GW designing these now a days?
>>97481925feel like the artist felt they had to include every piece of imperial iconography on the cover
>>97481952I still don't get why lions feature in imperial iconography
>>97481964Those are wolves
Why nerf the goblin hewer? My schizo theory is that they were forced to write in the retcon to sell the model, but the guys doing the rules hate the retcon so they want to make them so bad they are never ever played.
>>97482064Its not a nerf, its a clarification on its rules in the face of munchkinry.
Has anyone seen some cool alternate Chaos Knights? Preferably Tzeentch but I can convert them tooMaybe mutated creature mounts or avian themes
>>97482289Just FYI in case you aren't aware. We are getting a Chaos Knight refresh, along with Chaos Warriors and other undescribed kits relatively soon (2-4 months)
>>97482304oh, interesting. Good to know
>>97482304Why? The current kit is perfect, don’t tell me they feel the need to enshitify the range even further?
>>97482341You still haven’t posted a single timestamped fantasy model
>>97482355???
>>97481687The skycuttermaxxing high elf army.
>>97482367I assume you are a shitposter, because you are doomposting about yet unrevealed models. Also you asked me a question you already know I can't definitively answer. So I assume you are posting in bad faith and by definition a shitposter. The shitposters haven't ever produced models with timestamps, so it's a good way to verify you aren't just a nomodels shitstirrer. I love the current models too btw.
>>97482289le fishe
>>97482436>doompostinglmao.
>>97482437wrong pic, tzeentch changed it
>>97481172>high elf ogres (elemental)?Can I introduce you to the lion ogres of Chrace?
>>97482444chaos centaurs are also good
>>97482449
>>97482454also duncan once managed to sneak his tzeentch kitbashes on warhammer tv, they were simple but effective
>>97482436Get the fuck out.
>>97482457for avian themes you can take any cavalry model and replace the heads with raptoryxesand then use the spare wings to give the knights mutant extra arms that act like hussars' wings
>>97482442>>97482459No models?
>>97482341The AOS ones are great, but like with the warriors they probably want a distinct aesthetic between the games. The old ones are a good bitz box with some really nice heads and shields in particular, but the weapons tend towards the cartoonish.
>>97482467You dont get to request others to post models without posting your own.
>reveal this Monday>new update for a classic kit It's going to be some gay space marine shit but there's like a 0.1% chance it could be warriors of chaos related.
>>97482484>thunderous Its a stormcast. so you're right in a way.
>>97482494It's probably going to be a Chaos Space Marine defiler. Because last week they showed off Chaos Marines on Monday
>>97482341>Why?The only* current assumption is that the deal to have chaos undivided in both TOW and AoS means the two studios agreed to separate their chaos ranges in looks and themes, with tow getting viking looking norscans and plain chaos plate, while aos gets marauders that wish they were like conan and trimmed and blinged warriors, but the above stands on the idea that aos is also getting a chaos wave to change how their warriors and knights look in the short term*also chaos sells and they need an enemy faction to be brought up to the sculpting standard of cathay so they can present these two together, and chaos sells
>>97482494>>97482497I think you mean Thunderwolf Cav
>>97482484last monday was the iron warriors for 40k, that wave is also going to have an update for the defilerit doesn't feel classic to me, but it is
>>97482484Its going to be a chaos space marine thing. Probably a defiler.
>>97482484going to be 40k Iron Warrior kits
>>97480352What was your list?>>97479366Just say your sweet demon prince is an everchosen anon, has all the marks. (He looks very cool, thanks for posting him) - any opponent that has beef with that deserves to be executed.But yes tome of the dark gods is great too.I play against chaos a lot, like 2 of my 3 tow pals are chaos guys and both run demonprinces.Can I ask if you are dancing outside of dispel range? I know it’s not quite the same but for me with a Warplock engineer I skitterleaped the little guy all around the map ensuring I can stay out of dispel range for his spells.Ideally with my suggestion you really only need him to not get shot apart the first 2 turns, as you wipe out the enemies guns with something.I get that a 490 point unit shouldn’t ‘need’ support- but he’s a scalpel for sure. Maybe just drop the spells down to lvl 1 hammerhand enjoyer and call it a day.I really think a healing potions mandatory for him though. But yes keep at it! My buddies have also ran into the trap of sitting him back as a mobile magic missile piece all game and they’ve found he’s not really best used like that.
can someone identify what body these models are from
>>97482787Phoenix guard i think
>>97482787Phoenix guard. The mage is a lumineth hero.
>>97481334>which implies the existence of small ogresYou mean halflings?
>>97481753>move randomly That would be fucking kino, scatter dice each turn 2d6 inches per turn!! >too small for a normal unit Does TOW have individually based skirmish units ?
>>97482854It can't be... where are all the subgroups associated with the other factions?
>>97482979>scatter dice each turn 2d6 inches per turn!!>on a "hit" on the scatter, after the move (in the direction of the little bolder line on the hit sign), the island crashes onto the ground, hitting nearby units (directly underneath is like the center of a catapult hit, within 3" is the normal catapult blast) and forcing the unit on top to fall off and suffer dangerous terrain tests and get hit by the smaller catapult strength >if a player has a unit on top of the island it can reroll one of its dice (either one of the D6 or the scatter dice) and choose the direction of the move in case of a hit>the player whose turn it is can choose to reroll all the dice of one island, or block the opponent from applying any rerolls on that island, as well as directing all islands without occupants that roll a hit
>>97481913Sovl>>97481880Utter slop
>>97482787This is how Glade Guard should fucking look. What were they THIIIIIIINKING
>>97472515If that box is real it’s going to bomb incredibly hard. Anyone who already wants Tomb Kings has them as they were the starter army and Wood Elves are one of the worst armies in the game outside their comp build.
>>97483109The Witch Hunters Handbook must be popular at GW since they only reprinted it 3 years ago(with pic cover), and they never reprint books like Liber Necris, Liber Chaotica, Blood on the Reik or the life of Sigmar, even though the last one is the same format as the Witch Hunter Handbook
>>97483119Nothing stops you from using the hooded heads that come in the eternal guard kit?
>>97483137>and they never reprint books like Liber ChaoticaYou missed out bro.
>>97483188When was that?
>>974831912019
>>97481687>>97482979>>97483052This has filled me with some ideas... Of a whole game based around floating rocks, and the table beneath is covered in cotton to look like clouds... The island move around and most combat is done via artillery and shooting, and when rocks crash into each other you can hop over to the next one for melee.. imagine your troops getting pushed back in melee, and they literally get pushed off the rocks and fall to their deaths below!!! When the scatter dice hits center, instead of "crashing down" the rock will either ascend or descend, if your rock is higher than one next to you, your unit can "jump" down onto the lower one ... Holy shit... Kino
>>97483199so seven years ago now, and Witch Hunters Handbook has had two reprints in that time
>>97483209...that's just naval combat
>>97476602Ghoritch rat fag back with a 2nd take after Chat GPT took a swing at rulesIt recommended for 295-310pts:-Doombull stats -5+ regen-AP-2, Multi Wounds 2-Skaven reroll panic within 6in-50 points of Magic Items-FrenzyDoombull Stats 210Scimitar of Skultar 25 (AP -1, Multi Wounds 2)Gouge-tusks 30 (Additional AP for AP-2)Crown of Conquest 40 (5+ Regen)Ironhide Talisman 30 (Magic Item allotment for immunity to multi wounds. Killing Blow is not multi wound)Total 335But Ghoritch would not have Impact Hits (-1), Primal Fury rerolls, conditional Giga Frenzy. Not to mention you could actually make a competent Doombull for the same points with a 4+,5++So for a shit build and less impactful rules GPT may have been cooking at 310pts
>>97483225>Chat GPT
>>97483219>Rocks>Clouds>Naval What did he mean by this
>>97474843I've really enjoyed it desu. On my third year of GMing it so far on Foundry. My main issues would be certain talents being total no-brainers to take means certain careers are incredibly undesirable. Plus the habit of giving really shit stats for supposedly strong characters and items is a sticking point. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in 4.5 and with the post-Enemy Within campaign story.
>>97483243Try rubbing those two brain cells together real hard anon...
>>97482784>What was your list?Not really looking to tailor a list for it, just some general advice. The thing can move 18 inches while still being able to shoot with no penalty and is always -1 to hit at T5 with a Vanguard move all for only 70pts. Shit's bananas.
>>97483146Yeah, but then their bodies are still those of a hobo with stitched together rags. Orks dress better then Glade Guard.
trying to make sure I do this correctly, I am putting lady elisse duchaard into a Grail knight bus, would any of these 3 positions but legal for her?
>>97483424Not sure sorry,I dont play and havnt read the rules, I just post
Well, annihilated a new player today that shouldn't have happened. New guy wanted to learn cause he loves TWWH and my buddy gave him a dwarf list he wanted to try. I ran this list.Wild herd [1500 pts]Great Bray-Shaman, Braystaff, Wizard [Level 4 Wizard], General, On foot, Skin of Man, Hagtree Fetish, Lore of Primal Magic - 225Warhoof, Heavy armour, Throwing axes, Javelins, Ambushers, Mangelder, Charmed Shield, Pelt of Midnight - 171Primal Warherd, Foe-render (champion) [Great weapon], Standard bearer [Banner of Outrage], 14x Gors [5x Hand weapons + Shields + 9x Additional hand weapons], 10x Ungors [10x Throwing spears + Shields], Full Command - 2007 Centigor Herd, Great weapons, Throwing axes, Ambushers, Gorehoof (champion) [Scourge of the Burdened] - 17310 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Ambushers - 5010 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Ambushers - 601 Razorgor Herd, Hand weapons (tusks), Light armour (calloused hide) - 521 Razorgor Herd, Hand weapons (tusks), Light armour (calloused hide) - 52Cockatrice, Hand weapons (claws), Petrifying gaze, Heavy armour (scaly skin), Acidic vomit, Poisoned Attacks - 2006 Warped Gors, Additional hand weapons, Ambushers - 102Cygor, Hand weapon (claws), Hurl attack, Light armour (calloused hide) - 215Cygor missed all 3 rocks he threw, my primal herd stayed in my deployment zone to hold the baggage train. My 2nd unit of ungors and wild gors came onto the board, so they didn't get to do anything. We had breakpoint as the game length, and dwarfs dont have enough models. So between the centigors, pigs, cockatrice, one unit of ungors, and my shaman, he lost at start of bottom of 3rd turn.Kid had a great time at least, and will come back next week so he liked the game but was blind sided by an ambush list. Probably should have went a bit easier on him.
>>97483438>2nd unit of ungors and wild gors came onto the boardcame in on turn 3, so the did nothing.
>>97483424I assume Bretonnian lance rules would specify how characters go in, but in general I think they always need to be in the front rank, so none of those look right to me.
>got four armies>see the marauder army box for cheap I guess I can pass it off as a purchase of some allies right?
>>97483519You can pass it off as an investment into WoC because you know you’ll buy the warriors/knights fomo box too
>>97483424>>97483452Damsels can be parked in the back to be out of base to base contact/not fight but still cast/buff the unit.
>>97472704I'm really very tempted to try to pick up this box and start Cathay with it. Especially since the nerfs mean that rolling with Cathay won't make me "that guy" anymore.
>>97483831I really hope the models arent actually like that
>>97478218What makes Warhammer truly brilliant is that it's Middle Earth from Lord of the Rings but with the Holy Roman Empire dropped right in the middle. So you get all the grand fantasy, but also genuinely interesting, complex, dynamic human stuff at the same timeIt's the best of all fantasy worlds.
>>97483858I had to stop reading halfway through your sentence. The anime girl didnt help.
>>97483850?
>>97483879look at the gunners. Im not really a fan of the peasants to begin with (the weapons look like shit with those poses, although I plan on using bowmen either way), but, and let me preface this with saying I am not perry anon, those gunner models are quite frankly the laziest examples of cadslop i've seen in a while. they look boring and have the same heads copy pasted between them. I mean shit the same head is repeated like 4-5 times there.
>>97483396Hey anon, not suggesting counter listing, I’m just wondering if your all comers list struggles to deal with zoomy skirmishers in general which is why .Magic missiles work pretty good, elementalism I think I’d go for. Hellblaster still rips it, and anything apart, it’s rarely got a shot t1 though, so just ensure it’s got coverage on whatever flies over and thank your opponent for overcommitting with the gyrosI’m really steamed rn so I’m mind blanking, but you tell me how it’s getting -1 to hit? I thought the skirmisher -1 only applies to unit strength 1 models.
The Glade Guard look alright from tabletop distance but zooming in they're pretty rough, huh?
>>97484229The mold lines are thick as hell on them too.
===Masochist lord [1993 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Wolves of the Sea, Open War===++ Characters [636 pts] ++Chaos Lord [349 pts] - Great weapon- Full plate armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- General- Daemonic Mount- Armour of Meteoric Iron- Pendant of Damnation- Crown of Everlasting Conquest- 2x Favour of the Gods- Acid IchorExalted Sorcerer [170 pts] - Hand weapon- Light armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Wizard [Level 2 Wizard]- On foot- Lore Familiar- Power Scroll- DaemonologyAspiring Champion [117 pts] - Hand weapon- Heavy armour- Shield- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Battle Standard Bearer- On foot- Brazen Collar++ Core Units [540 pts] ++5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)20 Marauder Tribe Berserkers [240 pts] - Hand weapons- Additional hand weapons- Light armour- Headtaker (Champion)- Standard bearer- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude20 Marauder Tribe Berserkers [240 pts] - Hand weapons- Additional hand weapons- Light armour- Headtaker (Champion)- Standard bearer- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude++ Special Units [477 pts] ++16 Chaos Warriors [283 pts] - Hand weapons- Heavy armour- Shields- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion [Taskmaster's Scourge]- Standard bearer- Musician- Enhanced Reflexes2 Skin Wolves [97 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs)- Skin Wolf Jarl (champion)2 Skin Wolves [97 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs)- Skin Wolf Jarl (champion)++ Rare Units [340 pts] ++Gigantic Spawn of Chaos [170 pts] - Slashing talons- Gnashing maws- Heavy armour (Scaly skin)- Gigantic Spawn of NurgleGigantic Spawn of Chaos [170 pts] - Slashing talons- Gnashing maws- Heavy armour (Scaly skin)- Gigantic Spawn of NurgleHow does something like this look? The lack of cav really worries me desu.
>>97484302An alternative list im considering is something like this:Chaos Lord, Great weapon, Full plate armour, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], General, Daemonic Mount, Armour of Meteoric Iron, Pendant of Damnation, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, 2x Favour of the Gods, Unnatural Fortitude - 354Exalted Sorcerer, Light armour, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], Wizard [Level 2 Wizard], On foot, Lore Familiar, Power Scroll, Daemonology - 170Aspiring Champion, Heavy armour, Shield, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], Battle Standard Bearer, On foot, Brazen Collar - 11710 Forsaken, Mutated weapons (Hand weapons), Heavy armour, Forsaken by Slaanesh - 19010 Forsaken, Mutated weapons (Hand weapons), Heavy armour, Forsaken by Slaanesh - 1905 Chaos Warhounds, Claws and fangs (Hand weapons) - 305 Chaos Warhounds, Claws and fangs (Hand weapons) - 3016 Chaos Warriors, Heavy armour, Shields, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], Champion [Taskmaster's Scourge], Prophetic Foresight, Full Command - 2775 Chaos Knights, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne], Full Command - 1735 Chaos Knights, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne], Full Command - 173Gigantic Spawn of Chaos, Slashing talons, Gnashing maws, Heavy armour (Scaly skin) - 145Gigantic Spawn of Chaos, Slashing talons, Gnashing maws, Heavy armour (Scaly skin) - 145
>>97484269I hate to pass up a box but I guess they'll probably get redone in the rumored starter, so I should just wait for that, huh?
>>97483831Btw that is perryanon posting. He has a distinct writing style. He will say/post whatever to denigrate fantasy. That’s how he spends his time lmao. A good way to out these shitposters is to ask for a timestamped model. They can’t ever do it because they don’t own fantasy models. Anyways to your point. Yeah that box is probably going to be a good entry point. I only hesitate because we have no idea what those units look like in terms of rules/balance. But yeah it’s pretty safe to say that you won’t be treated at “ that guy “ anymore for playing Cathay. Although even pre balance update if you didn’t bring multiple balloons no one hated playing against cathay.
>>97484343I personally think glade guard look pretty good if you don’t paint them with the GW eavy metal edge highlight method. There’s good examples online of non GW paint jobs on them. But if they still aren’t your cup of tea then you should def wait.
>>97484156>but you tell me how it’s getting -1 to hit? I thought the skirmisher -1 only applies to unit strength 1 models.Ah, okay, this fucking game has so many little exceptions to so many rules it's hard to remember them all.
>>97484725>>97484725>>97484725New
>>97483912They photoshopped the same pair of models into the army shot 4 times.
>>97481100There was zombie ogre in metal?
