Previous: >>97472435>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?
>TQI go out of my way to not use any of the top 100.
>>97480791>What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?Pic related, although she's being replaced in Strixhaven and I don't know how I feel about it.New Killian goads shit and draws you a card when a creature you goaded attacks.I'm not sure how good he will be. The goad doesn't have to be on a creature you enchanted, and theoretically it could draw you 3 cards per rotation (or 4 if you goad your own shit, but you have to find a way to untap it too). But the goad also only lasts a rotation which means you have to constantly shit out auras which is much harder than you'd think, having played Eriette.I dunno man, it's so close to being my perfect enchantress. If it was rakdos and goaded shit as long as it was enchanted, I wouldn't even care if the draw wasn't attached.In white black I just don't think theres enough cards that will keep shit goaded and you're going to get punched in the face by cards you enchanted yourself, unless you play something like No Mercy and Ghostly Prison to avoid being targeted, which I think is going to be a bit of a waste of resources.
>>97480818>when a creature you goaded attacks.*when a goaded creature you enchanted attacks
>bought this precon at a bargain at around 25 bucks because why not>its awfully painfully durdly>the Sam Hyde energy deck from MH3 runs circles around itBrown women not even once holy shit
>>97480851>gee why are these MH3 precons that retailed for double the price of a normal precon so much better????A true mystery.
>>97480851It's 25 dollars for a reason.
>>97480855To be fair the Omo deck is whatever too out of the box. Its only good for the pushed lands like Talon Gates
>>97480791Meren, it's the only one of the top 100 I've had assembled for any amount of time. Also, as far as graveyard decks go it doesn't feel like it forces a traditional 'reanimate a big threat asap' as much as other decks do.
>>97480855Why didn't they use the art on the box?!
>>97480885Because one piece of art can't be in two places at once.
>thousands of commanders, who should I build>why, the most popular one that tells me how to build it and how to play it of courseWhy are people like this?
Alternate thread objective: Write a greentext story from the POV of one of your opponents playing against your deck and how they feel about it.It didn't need to happen, by the way.
>>97480921They arent. The top commanders are all UB or versatile enough to have a gigantic number of theory craft builds. Popular doesnt mean common. It means dorks keep making decks online about them.
>>97480953Anyway here's my unique Atraxa deck (it's poison or superfriends)
>>97480885Probably because it was commissioned later and the artist never drew a background for itI also doubt that WotC is the kind of company to tell an artist that their work won't be used on a card because they made a woman too ugly
>>97480953I play at the lgs. I see the slop first hand.
>>97480966Are you stupid? If the deck existed, it wouldnt need to be built; it would be copied. Because atraxa is 4 colours and works broadly with a gigantic card pool, almost every deck is unique. This is why so many people brew it.You're mostly showing off your limited understanding of how aggregation works to get cool guy hipster points.
>>97480802
>>97480855>big booba on the cover>look inside>flat chested bitch with mistery meat skin and cheaply made artworkIs this fraudolent advertising?
>>97480981>he thinks atraxa poison/superfriends is uniquelol
>>97481078Yes, I think 10 billion lists with one card different because 4c has a massive cardpool with broad themes are all unique to an aggregator. This is neither confusing nor an insult.
>TQ>look through EDH top 100>Get sadI just want to play my goofy "Literal who" legendary creatures.
>>97481164Tell us what super special commanders you are running so we can berate you for your terrible choices.
>TQWhy would I look at the most popular commanders amongst idiots who are just circlejerking?
>TQOnly entry in the top 100 I ever built was kenrith and it was a tokens deck that I wanted a literal king at the helm of for flavor. I technically had an oloro deck at one point but I bought the precon when it came out so Im not sure if it counts
>>97480791>What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?It seems there are lot of precon commanders... so, Y'shtola, Teval, Hakbal, Hearthhull, Xyris, Zaxara, Zurgo, Galadriel and Tovolar are my favorites.And of the commanders in top 100 list, I also have a few in the 99 in some deck: Lathril, Giada, Isshin, Muldrotha, Chatterfang, Necrobloom, Wilhelt, Meren, Teysa, Korvold, Alela and Queen Marchesa>>97480818I still plan to build Eriette and new Killian will be just secondary in the deck, for extra goad hijinks, if I happen to get lucky. You really cannot beat the pacifism effect and slowly draining everybody of life. But maybe there will be second commander that will have more aura focus, so, I am patient and my wallet is ready.
>>97481136>>97480981An impressively stupid post. You dont even know what the words youre using mean.
>>97480953>ur dragonSo true! Lots of versatility here. Dragon A or dragon B. So many builds!>Edgar markovSee above!>atraxaSee above! 75% of atraxas decks are split across 3 obvious themes.>krenko mob bossSee above!I could go on. The top 20 are definitely not even remotely versatile and open ended like you suggest. And even less so when you actually look at the number of decks per theme.
>>97480821>>97480818Youre both wrong. Its just when a creature you have enchanted attacks. Goad is a one turn effect, auras arent.
>>97481222>multicolour decks>in the largest tribes that constantly get new cards>and a 4c anything counters deckAtraxa is. Those? They just get a new deck for every single new card printed, which is every set.
>>97481236Imagine claiming atraxa is open ended when there's tymna thrasios
>tqMiirym because I have a soft spot for both Worldgorger Dragon and Astral Dragon.
I built a merfolk tribal deck.The commander?Atraxa.I'm heckin' valid.
>>97481236Did you mean to reply to someone else? This makes no sense. You were simply wrong anon.
>>97481328Whoops, misclicked you. You're alright. Keep on enchantressing.
>>97481228It doesn't change much because people will simply not attack with a creature that draws you cards. It's not like a Rhystic Study where people need to be casting spells and dedicating mana to that rather than paying taxes. The goad is necessary to get people to attack with shit
>>97481288What on earth do you need black for? I'd just run Tocasia so you can still attack with your fish and also get their goofy tap effects on demand. Throw a Quest for Renewal in there and you're really tapping those fish.
>>97481362So true no magic player would ever think giving an opponent a card is worth getting their huge combat damage or attack trigger off, or letting their wincons swing. Youre right anon xD
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97481422You're kinda spitting facts there anon. Commander players frequently will be retarded and give away wins.
>>97481422>B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT IN MY CAREFULLY CRAFTED EXCEPTIONAL SCENARIO WHICH CLEARLY JUSTIFIES AN ACTION A PLAYER WOULD NOT NORMALLY TAKE?Unironically kill yourself.
>>97481445>carefully crafted>simply the presence of very common game mechanics>well he has an attack trigger... he has a huge beater and oh he has this 1/1 token ill goad the token teeheeYes. You get to choose who to goad. Goad the ones that want to attack. Youre genuinely awful at this game anon.
>>97481427Unfair towards black players, you know how many things I can do with 10 lives?
I want to learn to play magic because my friends play commander. My friends made the game even more confusing than I thought it would be when we tried to play together and said to go to the card shop they go to. I went to the card shop to try and learn but they had me talk to a guy that basically told me to try the computer game despite us haveing two good games. Should I really be playing the computer game magic or does everyone I know hate me?
>>97481517>does everyone I know hate me?
>>97481517They probably just don't want to be your teacher and don't realize you want to play because you want to play *with them*.If you just wanted to play the game but didn't know the full rules and everything, the online game is automated so it would be easier for you. Just emphasize that you want to play the game because you like spending time with them and you'll pick up the rules over time. The game isn't that complicated. Maybe watch some gameplay on youtube so you can see how they handle phases, steps, and triggers, and how some universal mechanics work. Ultimately you should be enjoying the game enough that you wouldn't mind watching some other people play.
>>97481517Arena's tutorials are very good for learning the basics of the game and a lot of the more complex interactions can be made easier to understand by seeing them represented visually. It's good for learning priority and the stack, for example, because the game will show you at what points you're allowed to act.It isn't perfect with several things often shortcut for convenience and some complex interactions that come up rarely not really explained, but it will give you a foundational understanding that will make games go more smoothly.
>>97481517Learning via commander can be challenging since it's it's a FFA format and there's a lot more factors to consider at any given time. Arena is good for learning what cards do and how things work especially since it's an automated simulator
"this crazy bitch to my right"
>>97481574>>97481565>Arena is good for learning what cards do and how things work especially since it's an automated simulatorThats basically what he said but I thought he was calling me stupid>>97481546I just want to be involved
>>97480791>TQ:Bello for turning all my junk ass do nothing enchantments into something.
>>97480791>TQI play him as stupid big ramp and I love it
>>97481586Players who start with commander are notoriously bad with the rules. Last year they made a change to how damage is assigned to blocking creatures and I saw tons of post on various sites from people who said they thought the new simplified way was how it always worked.People who start with yugioh often think that the stack is like the chain in that once it starts resolving new things can't be added to it or that you can only respond to the most recent thing added to it. Playing with someone who doesn't know the rules means either stopping the game every other turn to explain basic interactions or you sitting there without knowing what's happening. I've played with new people before, and either way someone is going to get frustrated.
>>97481455>Goad the ones that want to attackHave you even real the conversation you're jumping into?>this card might not pay off as much as you think because it triggers when a creature you goaded attacks and it is hard to keep them goaded in those colors>actually it triggers when a creature you enchanted attacks even if not goaded>you're right but that won't change much because in most cases they will just choose not to attack then>WHAT IF THEYRE GONNA ATTACK TO WIN THE GAME HUH????>that's clearly not the scenario we're talking about>YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHAT TO GOAD!!!!!See the start of the fucking conversation
>faglord supreme izzet player puts offer you can't refuse onto a scepter.>I'm helping you bro buy giving you ramp!>Counters everything anyway with different spells>Keeps recycling his counters out of his graveyard into his library or back into his hand>Finally get rid of the scepter though it doesn't really matter as all he is doing is playing counters,>Another player somehow gets spiderpunk onto the board>Play my grand abolisher so I could combo off.>Guy tries to counter it>He's been spamming counter spells all game>Just look at him dead in the eyes.>"It resolves">Notices I put GA onto my Battlefield instead of into my graveyard.>He asks what I'm doing>"Spells can't be countered.">Then I want to take it back because if he knew that he wouldn't have crifted instead.>Flatly tell him no.>You should have reminded me!>Flatly tell him its not my job to remind him of the board state and its not even my effect that is stopping it from not being able to be countered.>Says I'm going against the spirit of the format>Tell him to suck it up and then combo off for the win.Controltards, not even once.
>>97481629>People who start with yugioh often think that the stack is like the chain in that once it starts resolving new things can't be added to itSo THAT'S why that one guy insisted on that in one of my games haha. I explained to him that if that was how that works than split second spells would become so much more important.
>>97481728why do combo players write like theyre a toddler being denied a toy
Suggestions for making thise dude head an artifact deck?
>>97481747just tutor reaver cleaver
>>97481747Why would you see this effect and think "artifacts"
>>97481649This is very embarrassing for you. Following from the start (which i did) doesnt change my sentiment, nor does it make it wrong. >winI mentioned other things :) people play draw spells into Smothering Tithe, they play non creatures into remora etc. Each player NEEDS to advance their gamestate or they lose. And yes if I have some attack trigger that lets me cheat out a permanent or maybe draw 2+ cards or literally anything I need, I will give you that card to do so. And any good player will as well (see cedh games)>scenario we are talking aboutYes it is? The scenario is about using the commander and how it functions. Youre fucking retarded. Also blocked so dont waste my time
>>97481736I've seen so many people saying their group has played that way for years before someone new shows up and explains how it really works. Ironically I think the misconception might mostly come from magic players who are only vaguely aware of the chain and don't know about that rule telling yugioh players that the stack is the same thing.
>>97480791>none of the commanders I play are on the top 100>somehow, Yawgmoth isn't on the top 100
>>97480791>TQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?I love this lil homie like you wouldn't believe.
>>97481763You're way too stupid to be this smug.>if I have some attack trigger that lets me cheat out a permanent or maybe draw 2+ cards or literally anything I need, I will give you that card to do soAgain, a carefull crafted scenario. 99% of the time, attacking with a creature does not do that and it is not worth letting your opponent draw to attack.
>>97480791>TQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?I'm an EDH hipster, so I only have two out of my 14 decks in the top 100.>Choco>XyrisI used to have a Kaalia deck when I got the Commander precons back in 2011. Took it apart because people didn't like playing against it, understandably. I'm surprised she became so popular.
>>97480885>>97481058Listen here ChudsWhat you are referring to is called the “Male Gaze” and it’s a tool of bigotry and white supremacy. It doesn’t matter that white people are only 6% of the human race.Enjoy the immigrants and the future is female.
>>97481833Combat and attack triggers are two of the most common mechanics in the game. Combat damage is the most common wincon. Its not "carefully constructed" its an example of a VERY COMMON INTERACTION. Whats carefully constructed is this fantasy land where 0 of your 3 opponents have a single creature they want/need to attack with yo develop their board. Awful awful player.>99% of the time they dontAHAHAHA GENUINELY AWFUL
>>97481862>Combat and attack triggers are two of the most common mechanics in the game.BECAUSE THEY USUALLY DON'T DRAW YOUR OPPONENTS CARDSAS SOON AS THEY DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S WORTH ITMOST ATTACK TRIGGERS ARE DOO-DOO GARBAGE AND YOU KNOW THIS, THAT'S WHY YOU HAD TO MAKE YOUR EXAMPLES TO ABSURD LIKE WINNING THE GAME OR CHEATING SHIT INTO PLAY
>>97481858I wish white people were even less of the population. Evolutionary dead ends should be put out to pasture.
>>97481762Because i have a shitload of artifact cards and I want to make a deck with the red ones.
>>97481843>ChocoHonestly surprised at how well he's performed, though I should definitely had seen it coming>have a bunch of birds/bird tokens out>swing with a lot of them>get 5+ free lands every turn>all these fucking landfall triggers godDAMN>windmill slamdunk all these fucking cards down with like 20 goddamned landsIt's great fun
>>97481867>retard lashes out cause hes wrongThere are like 50k unique cards. Yes lots of triggers suck, people dont put those ones in their deck.>absurdIn my combat triggers deck literally every creature draws cards, removes enemy pieces, or cheats stuff into play. I would attack with all of these still even if it drew you a card. You are so bad at this game its genuinely hard to believe you aremt trolling.>KELLAN ONLY DRAWS ONE CARD OFF GOADED ATTACKERS>actualy its draws off any attacker you enchanted>WELL NO ONE WOULD EVER DO THAT NUHUH>here are some common triggers people definitely would do that for>CAREFULLY CONSTRUCTED!!!! NO FAIR!!!! MY ARGUMENT WHERE THERE ARE NO GOOD TARGETS? NOT CAREFULLY CONSTRUCTED XD SUPER FAIR>youre a retard anonThis is our conversation btw you are awful atmagic
>>97481903>Yes lots of triggers suck, people dont put those ones in their deck.Good triggers still become worse when they also say "and your opponent draws a card"You're either retarded or trolling, I don't care which I'm done with you.
>>97481917And yet they would still be used. Evidence (which you ignored):People play draw spells into tithePeople play noncreatures into remoraPeople will advance their gameplay. Post a deck i am fairly certain you do not play magic.
Giving a single opponent a draw isn't that bad, you just put two of your other opponents behind in card advantage while probably advancing your gameplan. (This is why FFA is unsalvageable and why Rhystic needs to be banned)
>>97481927>>97481934Samefag
This machine kills fascists.
The power of cards scales with your opponents. The better your opponents, the worse it is to give them draws. And if your opponents suck? It doesnt matter.
The funniest part is all I did was correct him and provide examples for when the correction might matter. Kellan cares about enchanted creatures attacking, not goaded ones. And there are circumstances where people will still attack even if it'll draw the Kellan player a card. At which point he started sperging
The funniest part is I play off that I don’t care and that I win and yet I’m the one posting without replying to anyone at all about how not mad I am
The funniest part is if you won you wouldnt give bad advice.
>TQFor me, it's Teval.
>>97481995>>97481984>>97481974>>97481942samefag shitting up the thread
>>97480791>TQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?I like getting a little foolish at times
>>97480791>TQNa na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na
>>97482038I still have no idea how you're supposed to play him or how you're supposed to win. Do you just always want to have 0-1 cards in hand at all times? Is the gameplan just "spend all your mana every turn and draw your entire deck ASAP"?
>>97482047I'm still so mad we didn't get more radiation stuff in EoE. I want to build him but there's not enough rad counter support, and cheesing it with a dozen proliferates every turn sounds so lame
>>97481728>bragging about not reminding your opponent of the board state in a casual game and not allowing a quick rollbackweird flex but ok
>>97482092He doesn't need radiation outside of the one he provides each turn. Drop him with any mill engine out and hold up protection while he grows himself.
>>97482106>not accepting you made a mistake and suffering the consequences in a casual gamecuts both ways
>>97481747Equipment with attack triggers, plus generic artifact support for them. That's enough to justify a general artifact theme.
>>97482106>wanting himself and others to remain as shitty plays forever because he expects a do-over for ever oopsie-poopsie fucky-wucky he makes.weird flex but okay
>>97482119>not accepting you made a mistakeHe did though. He asked for a quick rollback so he could pay a different spell because he recognized his mistake. >suffering the consequences in a casual gameIt's a casual game. Have you never had to take a play back because the board was clogged before and you missed a trigger or didn't notice an effect in play?You're expecting professional level play out of some guy at a casual table because you're salty about being interacted with. Get over yourself.
>>97482152That's not accepting your mistake, thats whining and begging you shouldn't have to accept your mistake.
>>97482152It's just bait
>>97482178>anything thing that pushes against my beliefs is baitSo we have "i shouldn't have to live with my mistakes" and flat out a denial of reality.Congrats, you're an idiot.
>>97480791Meren by default since nothing else makes the cutoff.Also post decks
>>97482106>>97482152Why do zoomers make everything worse?>oh youre gunna win the game? Aha I made a mistake lemme roll that back real quick B)>have you everIf i make a mistake, i live with it. How else will I improve as a player? Furthermore how are you accepting your mistakes if youre demanding they be erased.
>>97482152>It's a casual game.yeah so losing a card because [I] was too stupid to read cards isn't a big deal and i can tank the loss. it cuts both ways.
>>97482197>ritual of the machineMy man
>>97482152>Its a casual game>That's why I need a take back so I can win and you can't.
I'm honestly tired of the gaslighting angle-shooting of "its just a causal game bro"
Any commanders that are about sacrificing your stuff that are NOT tokens?
>>97482310crybullies dominate the format
>>97482109I don't want to build mill, I want to build radiation. Mill is just the by-product of radiation. I want a "poison your opponents and let the damage-over-time slowly kill them" experience
Looking for input on this Howler list>https://archidekt.com/decks/19526681/notstormMy goal for it was to make those treasure producing tormenting voice cards go mana positive and rifle through my deck until I hit an extra combat spell and make a beater big enough to hit for lethal, but I'm overloaded on tormenting voice cards and am trying to decide what cuts to make. Want to make my turn feel like desperate dig to see if I can even swing or not. And this is gonna be bracket too, hence why its a cheap list. I know I can run the medallions, choosing not to cause of budget I'm thinking I should cut all the instants that only pitch one card at a time first
>>97482364Mothman isn't the commander for that kind of deck. He gets big too fast for anyone to be dying slowly. I guess you could do some combination of blink and clones as the closest thing, but unless you're actively choosing not to put the counters on him you can't really avoid the deck wanting to end the game with combat damage. Not counting the cEDH version with food chain, that is.
>>97482086I made one when he came out and just put a bunch of play extra land and impulse draw effects. It basically just plays like a landfall storm deck and my friends hate it.https://archidekt.com/decks/8788156/flubs
>>97482004What kind of Teval do you play?
>>97482339
>>97482364Maybe do something like red pingers?
>>97482420>Mothman isn't the commander for that kind of deckHis other ability would be completely ignored. He's the de facto best commander for this kinda deck because most of the radiation cards are in his colors. I'd only use him because he's there to be used, I wouldn't build the deck to make him the center of focus>you can't really avoid the deck wanting to end the game with combat damageThe wincon would 100% be "killed via radiation damage" and barely anything else. Combat damage would only help get to that point. I have an Ognis haste tribal deck and dumping 30+ treasures into Nuclear Fallout is one of the greatest things ever
>>97482086There's a couple different ways to play him but it all revolves around becoming hellbent and non-deterministically playing a shitton of cards. It's honestly pretty fun to build and play but will put the rest of the table to sleep as you take long as fuck turns
i dont wanna have to redo a lot of my amalia deck, but i really wanna make astarion the commander, but the deck doesnt synergize with him
>>97481728>>Says I'm going against the spirit of the format
>>97481728Putting An Offer You Can't Refuse on an iso scepter is based casual EDH gameplay. Grand Abolisher into combo is gay slop and you were the villain here.
>>97482270somehow this card oneshots a player way more than it should
>>97482540ok
>>97481728you sound like an annoying person
This deck absolutely needs a few flashers that redirect/deter combat. The games where it draws too much aggro early it gets deleted because Control Bad, even when my being out of the game is to the detriment of the players going after me.But I love long-ass games, and this deck is dragging games into the longest slugfests.
>>97481858Not even white though. I just like hot or cute women.
>>97481728>"Woah, this is a casual format just for chill sessions">Says they guy spamming counter spells on everyone so they likely are barely playing the gameYeah, I don't get the mentality of people who do this shit. If you are playing control or hard stax, that's not really casual as that's an oppressive competitive deck type in general.Not that it doesn't have a place on commander, but you lose the right to argue it's just casual when you clearly want to make everyone have a bad time.
>>97482653Counters only make you an enemy if your opponents don't know how to play around them. A single iso scepter counter per turn rotation (which gives two treasures to the caster in question) isn't even a good play. Makes me wonder what the fuck the other players were even doing.
>>97481586>>97481517Are you a girl?
>>97482622She's not good, awful even, but she's trying her best.
>>97482441>He's the de facto best commander for this kinda deck because most of the radiation cards are in his colors.He's actually terrible for rad counters. Frank Horrigan or Xavier are strictly better because proliferate is stronger for rad counters.
>>97481517Commander is by far the worst way to learn how to play. If no one is willing to teach you one on one with prebuilt decks, it's not a bad suggestion to hop on Arena and going through the tutorial and playing some Jumpstart events.
>>97481517So EDH/commander is rough to start learning because it involves practically evrey card ever printed. You can learn on it, but your friends need to bring low-power jank decks and teaching/showing people how to do things is hard especially for autistic nerds.The mobile/computer game Arena is good because it's a smaller amount of cards and can teach the basics pretty quickly, and can be tried for free.Alternatively, ask your friends specifically to play some starter/learner games with you and walk you through the basics.
>>97482653>that's not really casual as that's an oppressive competitive deck type in generalNext you'll be telling us that aggro is actually also really good and way too opressive in commander.
>>97482653stax is not competitive, it's terrible in cedh.
>>97480818Killian isn't a replacement it's a 99 addition.
>>97482339the one and only
>>97481517I don't know you but I hate you.
>>97482934Well I don't know you but I hate him too.
>>97481858Greasy brown hands typed this post
If I have Galian Beast on board and cast a successful board wipe, when Galian Beast returns face up as Vincent will he see the deaths of my opponent's cards and trigger?
>>9748262212 cents my nigga
>hurr durr commander is hard to learn as a new player because of large board statesnigga the entire game is hard to learn for a new player, it really doesn't matter where you start. the only real difference between edh and regular magic is the multiplayer aspect, where people diplo constantly, meaning that you even get constant hints about the board state from other players if you are new. I play with literal sub 70 IQ subhuman gorillas and comprehending big board states is not one of their problems.
>>97483028gallan dies, along with all other creaturesgallans trigger goes on stackgallans trigger resolvesall creatures are already dead
>>97483069That's what I figured but I wanted to make sure. I've never played with auto regenerators before so I wasn't 100% sure.
>>97483046>press X to doubtDont be silly.
Help, which would make me the most not homofag
I FUCKING HATE MONO WHITE!!!! JUST STALLING THE ENTIRE GAME UNTIL YOU HAVE 3000 LIFE IS A GAY WAY TO PLAY!!!
>Order tainted remedy>It arrives>Go to the lgs>But a single pack because why not>crack thisFORFUCKSAKE
>>97483410>as soon as I pull two of these I lose track of where my stranglehold is
>>97480969>the artist never drew a background for itThat is literally not an excuse anymore in this world of AI art. It's one thing to use it for the foreground, but backgrounds are basically perfected technology at this point.
>>97483410>tutor enchantment removalnothin personnel, kid
>>97482106He has autism, just be proud he at least gets out of the house occasionally.
>>97480851This deck's problem is that it expects you to cast all these 6 cmc artifacts and creatures that ask 8 energy for something, not realizing what made Temur Energy in Standard back in the day so dumb was that in only asked 2-3 pips of energy to do something stupid. You have no way to ramp up effectively too. Compare that to the Satya deck where it goes for a more control route and you have cards like Localized Destruction in there. Pretty obvious the DFT precons were just as half assed as the main set was
>>97483495>AI backgroundsYou called?
>>97483349My mono white likes to basically make myself unkillable and untouchable without you killing me in one hit.
>>97480791>TQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?Having quickly checked, I don't have any decks built around a top 100 commander. The closest is Windgrace at #173.I have been thinking about building an angels deck with the foil Giada I pulled at the SNC prerelease though so that would put me well into the Basic Bitch Zone.
>>97482429Self-Mill/Graveyard/Reanimator Teval. I can makes lots of Zombie Druid tokens that way. Also, the deluge of lands helps me cast big spells.
>>97483574Yeah exactly, I'd take that shit any day when the alternative is maliciously intentional ugly art.
>>97483349Not true, some mono white is aggro, Voltron or tokens or big creatures like angles.
>>97483333Kindbinding, because Cathar's Crusade is always played by drooling retards who can't track their counters properly and I don't know what the custom card on the left does.
>>97483657>Custom card
>>97483667time to play the game?
>>97483667Rooms are arena design and I do not count them as real magic cards.
>>97483696Its okay for you to deny reality in your personal life, but you need to accept your delusions are delusions.
>>97483034>>97482703The problem is how "worth it" those effects are, and it's hard to gauge. Because they go from saving your ass to doing absolutely nothing.
>>97483333Kinbinding because Lorwyn is the least gay plane of those featured. Then the Stranger Things plane, then the Twilight plane as the gayest of the three (naturally).
>>97483657>drooling retards who can't track their counters properlyYou play with people that don't use dice?
Im having a bit too much fun with this deck. It's very successful when running equipment, protection, and ring triggers. It feels a bit like a solo infiltration for Frodo, which is cool and I love. But for people without removal, this is a very unfun card with short games. What are some commanders I could run for a stealth-esque experience that's a bit more chill for people?
Building a talrand deck as part of an effort to make the most quintessential mono colored decks. Whats some funny mono blue jank to throw in this that never gets to work anywhere else?
New to the format, so there are cards that essentially do the same thing as other cards. What is the attitude around running both (or more), and if it is frowned upon, what are some examples where it wouldn't be?
>>97483884I don't know about jank but what about astral dragon and go for dragon token spam
>>97483887That's just consistency. There might be some purist here who insists its not EDH unless its a 100 card chaff pile but in my opinion, finding a mechanic that has enough support to be a pattern but is too weird to work in other formats is what the spirit of EDH is all about. This is my list that is all about turning spitemare creatures into damage reflectors for my own spells cause I really love spitemare effects>https://archidekt.com/decks/18185275/railgunWhen you design a deck around a specific interaction you want to make happen, it makes a good deck
is pantlaza fun or does it get boring fast
>>97483884blocks you're path
>>97483932Already got him. Am more looking for things like Floodgate which you wouldn't see outside of a monoblue deck thats getting played amongst friends
>>97483924So whats the line with consistency is it all just vibes, like running wizard lighting and lighting?
>>97483943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN1RJF55NXI
>>97483887Like Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves? Nobody will give a shit about this, ever. Play them all.If your deck is 60 counterspells and 39 lands? Fuck you, because what are you even doing?
>>97483953Wizard's lightning and lightning bolt would be completely fine man, nobody would have a problem with that. In fact it's cool to see how your strategy would make wizard's lightning playable. The 1-of-every-card restriction isn't a philosophical tenant, its how you make a consistent deck IN SPITE of that singleton restriction that makes the process cool>>97483982This guy said it better>>97483970This shit is actually hilarious, and its in common too so I can put it in my pEDH deck. Awesome pick
>>97480791>tqSqueaked in at 97. I love chocobos that's really it
>>97481728>playing with strangers
Surge foils are so fucking ugly why do faggots soiface fornthem
>>97483581>I don't have any decks built around a top 100 commander.That wasn't the question though. It was which your favorite was. Whether you built it or not is irrelevantDumb Chad
>>97484170This but "old" borders
>>97483887It's more like common sense really. Most cards you'll see used by most people, especially modern ones, boil down to, "do thing, get effect." Of course if you have a very specific strategy in mind you'll use "duplicates" of whatever thing that is to get the job done if you have access to them. You have a heart of gold, don't let any "cookie cutter" arguments take that away from you.
I want to build her, is she fun?
>>97483932Wow this is like a glow-up version of the virgin that's often paired with that Chad.
>>97480791>TQ: What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?WEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL
>>97484170I would soiface to a valuable surge foil because then that means I could easily trade it away for a bunch of normal cards like God intended.
>>97484346HE AIN'T MY BOY BUT THE BROTHA IS HEAVY
>>97480791>TQThe queen of EDH
skullbriar or yurlok for my next deck
>>97484364Skullbriar with a sticker voltron package
>>97484352GAVE AWAY MY POSSESSIONS AND MOVED INTO A CHEVY
>>97484363>new to EDH again after decade hiatus>find out about this card>perfect aggro keywords, proliferate, and the best colors, don't like red except for WoF>I could use all planeswalkers and the best board wipes and counterspells and it would be perfect>find out this is one of the most popular commanders and everyone already does thatFUCK. A commander like this didn't exist when I first played and now I'm FUCKED.
>>97484384Why do Goblins and Gremlins always have sharp little shivs and look like they are about to stab a mf?
>>97484386You're dodging a bullet anyway. Commander players are horrible at threat assessment and will gun down Atraxa players before anyone else.
>>97484386You'd be fucked anyway. It's not a question of timing, it's just that you have basic bitch taste.
>>97484404And what do you like?
>>97484364>Skullbriar when Auntie and a -1/-1 counter focused set just came outYou're cruisin' for a bruisin', m8
>>97484404>it's just that you have basic bitch taste.How so? Back when I first played EDH, there wasn't enough planeswalkers to even really build a "superfriends" deck, and if there was it was prohibitively expensive because all the planeswalkers were expensive. ALL OF THEM. So you'd need all of them, then a five color general, and there as only a handful of them, then you'd definitely need all the fetches, duals and shocks to make it even remotely playable. I just couldn't justify it back then, but always dreamed of playing a deck where you just had a bunch of plansewalkers out and got to slowly build up your board state, having all these options each turn and watching everyone squirm.
>mostly just play grixis, mardu, mono red and mono white>don't really have any green cards>decide to make sultai commander>copying a decklist for a bracket 2/3 ramp/recursion/counters slop pile is a fucking grandwhy the everliving fuck is every playable green card $50?
>>97484453If I had to venture a guess I'd say Amulet Titan being a dominant modern deck, and that needs green cards.
>>97484339Hermes is a turbo virgin. He had to create bird loli tulpas to fuck because he was too much a pussy to talk to women. He also unironically turns into the chud billions must die wojak the second he gets any pushback.Great card though. WotC being too chicken to print Meteion tokens was funny though.
>>97484444none of my friends play blight stuff, im the only person who built morcant
Which card would you cut for Natural Order, and why? I can't decide...https://archidekt.com/decks/14384222/azusa_lost_but_46_land
>>97484547Triumph easily. Few of your cards guarantee wide boards, and when you do have one Craterhoof is better for being a tutor target.
>>97484547How about Rofellos you cheating faggot?
>>97484446Planeswalkers in EDH aren't great, the other 3 people tend to just swing at them to take them off them out or just as a "guilt free" target for the board they amassWhat you actually want for that style of deck isn't a commander that proliferates or powers them up further, it's unironically a pillowfort one
>>97481164Then do so? What's stopping you?
>>97484571I've been testing out banned cards to test their power level. I switch them out if someone isn't ok with it.>>97484566I win probably 1/3 of my game due to that card. Honestly I was almost thinking about Seedborn Muse, just because I hardly win by taking out one opponent and then needing defense. Sylvan Tutor is my other choice, as even though it's cheaper, it doesn't cheat it into play.
>Dumb slut, 2RW>Haste>Tap: Dumbslut does damage equal her power to target creature. When a creature is dealt damage this way, you may pay 2, if you do, dumb slut becomes a copy of that creature except they have this ability.>Whenever a creature you control is dealt lethal noncombat damage, gain that much life.>2/2This is a boros card or a mardu card?
>Annex Familiar, {W/B}>Artifact Creature - Phyrexian Bird>Flying>Sacrifice Annex Familiar: Counter target instant or sorcery unless its controller pays {phyrexian white}.>1/1
qtpt 1WRcreature - human citizenwhen qtpt enters, you and target vote to kiss, if kiss wins more votes you both kiss and win the game
>Big Chad Chud (BRW)>Orc Warrior Mercenary>Bad Chad Chud can't be sacrificed>Hexproof>tap: destroy target creature controlled by another target player. Create 3 tapped treasure tokens. That player gains control of Big Chad Chud.>3/3
>>97484591I think this is a selesnya card
>>97483696Take off your pink and blue thigh highs because we don't consider you a real woman.
Tournament! 1WRSorceryThe players split into groups of two and each play a subgame of magic the gathering. The winners of those subgames play subgames play games with the winners of subgames until one player has won the most subgames. That player wins the game.
What are some good commanders for a Christian/religion themed deck?
>cheap cards I want aren't availableFuck man don't want to order a couple singles online and get raped by shipping.
>>97484766>Christian/religion themed
>>97484768Ever considered not being a broke bitch living outside of the US like a fag?
>>97484672Why though?
>>97480791Hmm quite a few. Makes sense for the precon ones.Top 100 - Y'shtola, Sauron, Nekusar, Hakbal, Necrobloom, Hashaton, Caesar, K'rrik, Atraxa, Grand Unifier, Sisay, Weatherlight Captain, Marneus Calgar, Stella LeeNon Top 100 - Lucea Kane, Anrakyr, Abaddon, Drafna, Auntie Ool, Kambal, Profiteering Mayor, The Mimeoplasm, Megatron, Terra, Herald of Hope, Terra, Magical Adept, Momir Vig, Endrek Sahr, Zedruu, Ellivere, Teval, Arbiter of Virtue, Prossh, Tawnos, WinotaI might have one or two more I never play.
>>97480791>What's your favorite commander from the EDHREC top 100 list?
What's the best colorless 1mv grave hate artifact?
I just realized my most played deck is unironically a control deck with no wincons
>>97484842Depends. Either>Soul-Guide Lantern>Ghost Vacuum>Stone of Erech
>>97484842pauperbros...
>>97484842I like Soul-Guide Lantern the best because it saves my graveyard.
>>97481747Shouldn't it be "marked by fire and reborn in water"?
>>97480791>TQEasily Teval, although Kuja barely hanging in at 100 makes me want to say him since he's the only Rakdos commander I didn't instantly take apart. He'll probably be overtaken by Etali soon.
>>97484802the activated ability is a bite stapled to a clone, which is UG. haste is in green.the last ability is white (aggressively anti-red).
>>97484766
>shocks will never be cheaper than they are right now>own none>should just buy one of each and be done with it>still have the urge to get a lorwyn box instead because i might get multiple
>>97484957You won't get multiple. You might not even get one. Don't buy a box unless you're planning to draft it.
>>97484957I mean, I could see them dipping farther
>>97484766Muscle Jesus with vaguely religious Bant stuff. Just say "Jesus saves" whenever you use his regenerate.
>>97484981>>97484766Forgot pic.
>>97484952Seconding
>>97484983>>97484981That's... actually not a bad idea, dude
>>97485007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIkBJruoxG8Here's a quote mine for when you play it out.
How do I destigmatize myself when it comes to "high quality" cards for my archetype? Not generic shit like Rhystic, but things like Storm-Kiln Artist in a spellslinger deck or Viscera Seer in aristocrats, things that have a niche but are almost universally played in that niche
>>97485028What does this gibberish even mean
>>97485028you deleted some info when you were editing your post, or something. what's the stigma exactly? you want to use these cards in other archetypes? you want to stop hating them for no reason? what are you stigmatizing?
>>97485007Bant also lets you run a lot of angels.And more importantly, Crusade.
>>97485037>>97485045I'm retarded sorryI mean I feel some irrational aversion to using them. If I'm putting together an aristocrats deck I get the urge to not put Zulaport and Blood Artist in there simply because they're too blatantly good and in every single deck so it feels paint-by-numbers, and I end up making the deck worse just to have an excuse to not use themI understand this is stupid but do not understand why I feel it in the first place
>>97484766>your commander is the demiurge
>>97484944It exists though
>>97485076oh, whoops, I thought you were >>97484591. not sure how I didn't see that properly.
>>97485073Begone Gnostic
I want to make a sea monsters deck for all the usual Simic stuff but also Sultai for the Dimir things like Wrexial and Runo. How would you suggest building for a casual, mana-greedy deck besides good giant dudes and a paranoid amount of ramp? I'll even reluctantly sub out Sin as a convenient type-themed commander if it helps get the ball rolling.
>>97480818Just run nuKillian in the 99 as a CA engine you can draw.
>>97485142BASED
>>97484766Wrong game, Christcuck
Holy fucking based...
>>97485200now post the ff6 cid
>>97484957I bought 2 of each of the double sided ones and have 0 regrets. Only wish the EoE shocks were better looking.
>>97484453If it's good in standard and mythic, $20. If it says the words "double" or "twice" it will be $40 eventually because those words cause a Pavlovian reaction in commander players that makes them drool and take out the wallet.
>>97484573>Planeswalkers in EDH aren't great, the other 3 people tend to just swing at them to take them off them out or just as a "guilt free" target for the board they amassThe amount of games I've won in my Amanatou deck because people swung at her to prevent her ult that I'm never going to use is staggering.
>>97485417distraction carnifex
>>97484453What crack are you smoking? Green is notorious for having some of its best cards at common and uncommon?m. Theres only a couple dozen really excellent green cards that break the bank
>>97485412>If it says the words "double" or "twice" it will be $40 eventually+1 master race reporting instill too expensive imo
Does anyone else just feel empty whenever they look at new sets? It really feels like the "unlimited games but no games" where we're getting 6+ sets a year but 99% of the cards fall into the same loop of already-explored design space. So many creatures now are setup and payoff on the same card to the degree it feels like WotC is afraid of asking the player to do anything. It feels like it's all just endless snowballing valueslop. Looking at cards now consistently makes me ask "why does this have a second effect when the first one was already strong enough to be a build-around?"It never feels like something new either. Wow simic big mana. Never saw that one before. The powercreep feels so blatant because the design niche is exactly the same as over a dozen other cards. So many commanders now can just be swapped around in the same deck for almost no real playstyle change. So much shit has to be removed instantly now or it will snowball out of control and it really just makes me wonder what it's all in service of. New sets don't make me feel excited. They just make me question what I even like about the game.
>>97485602Then stop playing if new sets make you feel that way. Either the feelings will pass and you'll want to play Magic again or they won't, which means it's time to leave for good. Why resist?
>>97485690maybe he's a WOTC shareholder suing the company
>>97485602It's sobering to see long requested things like a Jund -1/-1 counters commander finally come into existence and it's done in the most brainless way possible that creates no new angle for the archetype, just an engine to feed it cards.
>>97485602>99% of the cards fall into the same loop of already-explored design spaceThis is a good thing adhdtard. It's impossible to keep making new shit without it either becoming horribly unbalanced or total garbage nobody pays attention to (which is what's already happened in this game).The problem is they kept re-releasing shit for the same few deck types. Artifactfags and counterfags and graveyardfags and landfallfags eat good several times a year.
This is not a $20 cardThis is not good in StandardIt is too situational and dependent on playing elementalsIt will be a $1.50 Commander card in 2 months once parasitic """investors""" have realized that just because a card saw tournament play doesn't mean they should jack up the price.
>>97485602I only looking at new sets for upgrades for my budget decks. Especially if they use weird mechanics.
>be me>have no hobbies or pass times besides ©Magic the Gathering>get burnt out on the game>instead of taking an extended break or leaving entirely I remain as an unpleasant tumor constantly complaining about how new cards are being made for newer/still interested players instead of unpleasable burnt out hipster pseuds like mewew glad none of you bros are like this though!
>>97485797Imagine crying this much about other people voicing their dislike for something.How about you take your own advice?You're burnt out on /edhg/ you should take an extended break or leave entirely
whenever you do the thing draw a cardwhenever you draw a card do the thing
whenever an opponent does a thing draw a cardwhenever an opponent draws a card do a thing
>>97485786Oh shit it's whelming wave
>>97485821Investors gonna whale tho
>>97485797I do this and I act like this unironically while being not burned out by magic and while having a million other hobbies.Maybe the problem is people like (you), anon. Living in denial about the truth.
>>97485797Based. Look at the called out faggots getting asshurt
>>97485869>screaming into the void complaining about something you are literally in the process of doing>"haha!!! so based!!!!!"Samefag?
>>97485819Found the white player.
>>97480791I hate to admit it but y'shtola is one of the most fun decks I have ever piloted
>>97485883Get next day delivery on those programming socks, nonny
Made some edits to my deck for future testing before bed. Dreamed that the edits were all excellent and made my deck 100x smoother.
>>97484435I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price.
>>97484397>horrible at threat assessment and will gun down Atraxa players before anyone else.>t. Butthurt atraxa player
>>97482416my input is to focus less on beaters/creatures in your deck and entirely on doing a voltron.your gimick only works with howler out anyhow, so you might as well focus entirely on him.i'd recommend some enchantments that make him unblockable, flying, and/or make non-legendary copies. one of my funniest commander games ended when I smacked my friend with a unblockable 42-power captain howler (who began the turn with 6 power).
>>97482416>input>>97486024>inputPut it in, put it in, put it...in! Great job! You did it!
Scooped up Blight Curse and I refuse to pay $10 for a niche uncommon, any advice on if/when the prices will normalize?
>>97485752Auntie Ool was indeed a lame and gay dissapointment. I instead built an Oros blight deck with chaff because I liked slumbering walker and reaping willow the most out of all the blight synergy in new lorwyn. It's absolute dogshit but putting a blight sickle on Oros to put counters on stuff is pretty funny in shitty bracket 2 games.
Alright /edh/ what's your most fun commander? I'm looking at making a new deck and looking for something fun. My most fun is probably Aikido Marchesa just because no two games look the same
>your LGS opens a barWhat do you order at commander night?
>>97485752While I agree about Auntie, I’m moderately okay with The Reaper, King No More just because it has a restriction on the theft ability. In all fairness a decent part comes from thinking Scarecrows as a type are peak soul
>>97485772>this is a good thing>because its hard to do otherwiseWhat a retarded post. Remember, when given the opportunity, zoomers will simp for corporations every time.
>>97485199*Tips fedora*
>>97485786>a 2-4 mana 5/5 with flying that clears your opponents board is bad!Its hilarious watching dogshit edh players talk about this game. Its not EDH singleton, you have 60 cards, 4. Copies of stuff. If you want to create a certain boardstate, you design your deck so that it'll appear most games.
>>97483884Actually perfect synergy with this card
>>97486061>I refuse to pay $10 for a good uncommon that's a key part of many combo decks.>When will this combo card be cheaper?Lol. Lmao even.
>>97486061>if/when the prices will nromalize?When it gets reprinted in a set or precon
>>97486107>>a 2-4 manaIt's isn't 2-4 mana unless you already have a 5-7 mana elemental on board. How often does that happen in Standard?
>>97486045I thought wanting input meant wanting advice or help, as in you wanted our advice regarding howler as commander. Nevermind, I guess.
Diceroll tribal seems like such a retarded deck but I really want to make it
>>97486158It is other anon is just having a melty about it for some reason
>>97486155Who cares about standard, that's a format for retards. But it works with all the scam tech just fine.
>>97486166It mostly boils down to tutoring out d20 dice rolls like those dragons and shitting out a million tokens with token and effect doublers. Not bad, but IMO it's far more boring than it sounds like.
>>97486073Nothing, then I whip out my proxy beer.
>>97486155Very often. Again, youre an EDHOnly retard who genuinely cannot fathom how 60 card formats work. The decks are designed to create a certain boardstate with consistency, yknow 60 cards. 4 copies of whatever you want. Personally dont care about the costs but anyone calling it bad, especially outside of EDH, is retarded.
>>97486166>guys looks like it's my turn again>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>create tokens>roll>...>create tokens>sorry guys, my turn takes a while haha>roll
>>97480791Only Henzie and Flubs. Henzie because i get to play all the big jund retards i want to, and Flubs needs no explanation. All my others sit as low as 300s and as high as 1500s
>playing arena to main hate/counter or pull off a search your library gimmick with all basic landswow, you're so cooli probably get more fun out of it than you do from the kek of imagining you doing this all day
>>97486202Still quicker than the average hearthhull faf
>>97486202i'm glad i have actual friends for whom this kind of behavior is not only expected but encouragedwhat's the point of playing the game if you aren't talking about cool shit or shit testing the weakness out of your friends?do you actually like putting cardboard on the table in a specific order or something?
>>97486251>I dont actually like the game my friends and I just have a fickle connection and cant communicate without something to congregate aroundYou realize you can just talk to your friends right? Do you think speaking negatively about the game will garner support from strangers who like the game?
>>97486268dis nigga dont have friends to play magic with lmao
>>97486251>flaunting having friends to play a game with that you don't like as something that makes you superior to othersdo you realize how sad you sound?
>>97486273It is hard to fathom how dumb someone would have to be to interpret my post that way.
>>97486171>Who cares about standard,Well since Standard is the reason the card 10x'd in price over the weekend, I care.>>97486199Winmore
>>97486326Oh, you're a cardboard stock market watching standard player mad about a $20 card? Seems to me like you're trying to speed run the faggot checklist, and you're doing so in record time. It's $20. Buy it. Or dont. And it's $11 as of today on mtggoldfish; less than a fast food meal. And funnier still, the deck that runs it in standard is $800 for some godforsaken reason.
>>97486326>WinmoreExclusively an EDH term
>>97486072Purphrous Bronze Blooded and/or Tannuk. They go from 0 to 100 out of nowhere
>>97486359I've heard it outside of magic
>>97486326>win moreNo... its simply "win". Stop talking about formats you clearly dont play or understand.
>>97486359>>97486371>i-i-if I stack my grave with FIVE instants and sorceries, I can reduce the mana value of THIS elemental to UU!!!! THEN I can can cast Sunderflock for UU, and (if it resolves) I have TWO 5/5s and my opponent has...0 or more creatures depending on if they played any elementals or shapeshifters...Sunderflock is a great Commander card, but it is wildly too situational in Standard.I don't have to convince you now because when it's back down to $2 max in a couple months you will know I was right.
>>97486410You dont have to be retarded. This is a choice. You have 7 mana turn 3 or 4, you hardcast deciet vibrance or whistfulness for the full payoff, double the effect with roaming throne, and play a 3/4 mana 5/5 flier with upside that's also an asymmetrical board wipe. Idk what's in standard right now, seems bretty gud if you ask me.
>>97486410>ITS TOO SITUATIONAL THATS WHY IT WENT 9-1 AT THE PRO TOURNEYEdhonlies need to be banned from talking about this game. Especially when irs literally just a contrarian view because they are insecure and want to set themselves apart.
>>97486430This didn't happen by the way>>97486432Note how you don't say that the player pulled it off every game, because that didn't happen
>>97486435>this didnt happen by the wayThat is the literal 9-1 deck i referenced that anon is posting. >every gameSunderflock was a game winning card in 7 of his 9 wins. You clearly didnt watch it, and have no idea what youre talking about.
>>97486435My mistake, the insanely cracked deck with cavern if souls that went 9-1 was obviously wrong compared to the budget 5-0 choice from the 5-0 decklist dump.
Are the new Lorwyn precons worth picking up for $30 each?
>>97486199What's even funnier is that the deck that caused the spike isn't even running eddymurk, it's basically lorwyn block constructed
>>97486460IMO any deck is worth picking up if its 30 bucks. Hard to beat that value.
Any commander that costs over 4 mana is unplayable outside of green
>>97486475Are you trying to start some shit by calling best boy a bad commander?
>>97486475they loved him because he was right and correct about what he said also>playing a commander without Ward or several defensive abilities on hand/equippable for a low cost
>>97486475[Laughs in Rituals]
>>97486475If youre playing in pods where removal is regularly tossed at commanders, you play in retard pods and shouldn't be giving advice.
>>97486475I've been having fun with Tellah as a 3UR commander. But I play a ton of rituals and had to build an extremely heavy ramp package to make him run well since the payoff is making him explode while I play big kickers and X spells.
>>97486511Anon you started strong, veered left, and are now a double retard.
Three times now I've tried getting a precon and the store just increased the price (doubling it in some cases) before the deck wasn't even out, which I found out is pretty common. Have no idea about the game, so building my own is out of the questionCopying a deck that someone created somehow sounds even worse than getting a preconAs someone who's never played before, genuinely how do I get into commander?
>>97486511is that a pod with players who have higher than room temperature IQ? obviously a big threat should be removed, even if it's the commander and that may hurt someone's feelfeels. the main reason I only have a handful of voltron decks and decks built entirely around the commander is because I realised that it's feast or famine - either I get my commander out, "do the thing" and easily win. or peopl realise that, don't let me win by removing the commander, and it's famine - I don't do anything at all all game and it's just boring either way.
>>97486524Start with a precon. DO NOT buy from stores, because as you saw, they'll try to scalp you. Look on tcgplayer for mpre reasonable prices.You'll also want sleeves for your cards sp yoy can shuffle them and not destroy them in the process. I personally like dragon shield mattes.
>>97486524Which precons? Depending on the value and demand stores sometimes sell them for more than MSRP but I've never seen them go for double unless they're out of print. Just go on TCGPlayer and buy one of the Ixalan decks (not the pirate one, it's cheap because it isn't good) or maybe the Duskmourn landfall deck.
>>97486518>>97486532>let me remove this thing that they can play again for freeBad players are everywhere whew.>the.... tempo!?!?!Bigger tempo loss is removing something they can't get back or have to spend another card to get back reanimating/recurring it.Its okay to be new to magic, im happy to help you learn ^.^
>>97486524A precon is just copying someone's deck, except the deckbuilder is a retarded scammer selling a prepackaged way to milk you. Goldfish a bit; test online through the playtest function to see how the deck works. Write down what you like, what cards seem crazy, what dont you, what you find confusing. Do this for like 20 or 30 decks until you get the basics and compare them to eachother. You can even do this with various precons.Then, pick a list and play in TTS or some shit for free with your friends. Practice, try it out, write down what you like, what you dont like, what's cool, what sucked. Then from there, either buy a deck that does the things you like, or proxy it if you want to be cheap about it. No regrets, online funtimes.
>>97486524Starting with a precon is fine, I would recommend something with 2 colours and a straightforward plan. If you overcomplicate the game from the start you will just get overwhelmed and not enjoy it. (Hopefuly people you play with can adhere to that too. Ask them to play a similar bracket (power level) to your deck - which is probably a 2 like most precons are.And yeah, you will want to order something online, or purchase a deck 2nd hand, or it might be more expensive than it's worth. I hope you find something fun to play!
>>97486451Referring to the line you laid out, retard
>>97486556Pretending to be retarded and being retarded are the same thing. If you want to learn I can explain it for you, but this is low quality bait.
>>97486556>play again for free>ignoring the original cost>ignoring that it increases by 2 for each time they cast itSure, tempo doesn't matter as much lategame or once you already have a ton of resources on the field, but if I have to choose something to remove I will obviously remove the engine the entire deck is built around, that has negative effects for me. I'm not saying remove commanders just because they're commanders, I'm saying remove the biggest threat on the board, regardless of if that's a commander.>I cast Krenko for 4>kill Krenko>I cast Krenko for 6>kill Krenkorepeat until Krenko is unaffordable or there is a bigger threat on the field.
>>97486569>>97486576Im not reading either of these as well. You've both been educated, move on.
>>97486588>>97486582Clicked wrong one my bad fellas!
>>97486556What mythical pods are you playing in where people are running manabases competent enough to recast their commanders without an issue next turn? And even in that scenario they're still having to deal with another cycle of summoning sickness, no longer building whatever resources their commander has access to on their entry turn, and spent on average 4 mana despite being in a position where the only cardboard they can touch was what was established in earlier turns. Removing a commander on curve is a really good way to take most EDH players out of the game and send them to the reels dimension while they fiddle with their phone for the rest of the game.
Go ahead, remove my commander. I already barfed my entire deck onto the table.
>>97486556*kills your tranny spaceship commander when you station it* nothin' personnel, kid
>>97486326I don't understand how Standard still influences prices so much when fucking no one plays Standard anymore
>>97486803Generally prices are made and broken by standard because they need x4 of a card. That leads to standard eating up the supply.
>>97486475Black and red get rituals. Every color gets treasures
>>97486511I don't see any advice being given there
>>97486668>mythical pods>literally ANY deck that has ramped +1 mana at any point in the game and is hitting their land drops:-|>>97486829A "truth nuke" implies its proper play/theory which is advice. Youre just low IQ anon.
>>97486848>A "truth nuke" implies its proper play/theory which is adviceNo it isn't.
>>97486818I guess that makes sense but the Standard scene has dwindled so much and supply as increased with more people than ever playing Magic that I'm surprised prices still swing so hard based on a protour weekend
>>97486569Oh you mean the exact line that happened in his 5th win?
>>97486861Refer to the last sentence of the post youre replying to :)
>>97486875While commander takes first place easily these days, standard is in (albeit distant) second place. The x4 requirement with obscene prices is why I no longer player standard and modern.
>>97486848Command tax is 2 mana. You don't get to cast it again next turn just from land drops if cast on curve. A huge chunk of the playerbase has no plans for hitting their land drops after their commander gets cast, has no concept of holding the cast for when they can hold or bluff instant protection, and doesn't play fast mana to close the land gap. You're time walking most opponents if you counter or remove their commander on curve.
>>97486913Re read dipshit! Literally ANY deck that has ramped +1 (vast majority of decks do this!) and is hitting its land drops.
>>97486943If you're casting your commander over and over, you arent doing anything else, which means you arent winning. This isnt rocket appliances. And if casting your commander over and over makes value that's winning, there are other solutions.
>>97486890You're kind of flagging to everyone that you're losing and you're mad about it when you add the ":)" to your posts
>>97486886What happened in the other 9 games anon?
>>97486971And if youre using your removal and half your mana every turn to remove it youre also losing. Youre almost there buddy ;)>>97486973That doesnt follow at all, I like emoticons ^.^
>>974869434CMC>land>land + ramp 1>land (cast commander, it gets removed)>land (can't cast commander, would need fast mana or a ritual to cast now)>land (can now cast commander)If your deck requires its commander to function you just got time walked once and potentially twice if your 99 or luck of the draw was bad. One of the reasons people don't remove commanders as much as they should in casual is because it almost always removes that player from the game.
>have a bunch of the Strixhaven JP cards because they're cool looking>one guy at my LGS constantly seethes about them since "he can't read them">offer to show the text on scryfall>refuses and claims I could be showing him something elseHas anyone experienced this flavor of autism before? Am I in the wrong for running these cards?
>>97487009I have a JP showcase copy of Starfield Vocalist and I keep a normal copy in my tokens to swap it out if someone needs to read it. No one wants to look at your phone so having a copy, even if it's just a printer paper proxy, makes it a lot easier to deal with complainers.
>>97486999Your math and game theory are abysmal anon. The only time walked person is the one who didnt develop his board and removed something that will be immediately replayed. Very basic stuff, forcing your opponents to 2 for 1 themselves to get value back is far superior
>>97486990>^.^Seething
>>97487009It's not autism. It's real fucking annoying to stop the game to go look up your shitty animu-loving nip cards.They might as well be blank. Would you do that? Would you play with blank proxies?
>>97487034Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
It occurs to me that Magic is missing a friendslop format. Some sort of PvE environment that gets through the politics and whining. The problem is all the current PvE games are hard to retrofit to commander (i.e. horde) because there are too many things in Magic that would break the game.
>>97487009Tell him to cry some more then hit em with a Cryptic Command
>>97487073This is funnier than any silver border.
>>97486990Not true. You are paying an escalating amount of resources to do the same thing (nothing). Much removal is free, cheaper, or comes with upsides, and decks improve as the begin to do multiple things a turn, but it also depends on the type of removal. Darksteel mutation is removal that stops this whole fiasco for 1W. EDH is more about stopping key cards than card advantage. You commander, by nature of the level of access, is a key card and while repeatable, stopping it and making it cost more reduces deck efficiency, limiting your gameplan. Some commanders dont need to be removed; all good ones must be.I dont think you really play magic, seems like you just want attention.>>97486999Exactly.
>>97487009They are legal cards. So you are not in the wrong. Tell him to fuck off to yugioh
>>97484346>>97484352>>97484384https://youtu.be/lDeThz30JtQ
>>97487009>Am I in the wrong for running these cards?Sort of? You should at least carry a copy of each in English to easily show what's on the card. Having to take out your phone and look up each card every time there's a question on what any of the cards say would slow a game down. And understandably he annoying to deal with. Especially if you have multiple.
>>97484352>>97484384>>97487123May I have a crumb of context (outside Krenko and what gobbos are usually in his decks)
Elder Dragon Highlander
>>97487353
>>97487353Hell yeah, brother
>>97486024Noted, and very fair. does make the damage threshold much lower when its commander damage. Did you find cycling cards actually add something or is it better to focus on wheels?>>97486158That wasn't me, it was good advice. You have your old list for how you made him?
>>97487058feels bad to be a retard with no memory.
>>97487353>>97487369>>97487370
>>97487353>>97487370>Dragon Lotus>0>Legendary Artifact>{t}, sacrifice Dragon Lotus: Add 5 mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast an Elder Dragon commander.WotC pay me
>>97487382Sure bro lemme just remember this card I've never seen beforeOr do you mean YOU will remember it when YOU play it? And I'm supposed to take your word that you're recalling the exact text of the card? Fuck off.
>>97487414>5make it the full 8, man
she counts
>>97487435Not on a 0 cost artifact, you're not having an Elder Dragon turn 1. Knocking you down to 3 mana is extremely reasonable and basically puts you on curve for average commander cost these days.How about this, the mana can also be spent to pay the upkeep cost of an Elder Dragon too, so if you bring DL back you can pay those retarded upkeeps for a turn?
>>97487450she cute!
>>97487372>it was good adviceThanks non-schizo anon, that is reassuring. I was trying to help, you see?Anyhow, your deck mainly has everything that I do as far as discard goes, but I will post my own favourites beneath:>refute (counterspell while attacking for an addition "no fuck you lol that lets you discard even more before the dmg happens)>security bypass + aether tunnel (make howler unblockable)>rubblebelt maaka (1 mana, discard to give a creature +3/+3, effectively giving a creature +5/+3 for 1 mana)>anje's ravager + goblin lore (just good discard stuff, it's beneficial. idk if you had these already, or better alternatives. ravager can be cast with madness, so you can use it even after discarding it.)>ill-timed explosion (TLDR: discard, deal boardwide creature dmg according to the highest mana cost discarded. discard a 3 cost to kill a lot of small things but keep howler alive, maybe buffing him while removing all blockers someone had)and last of all>vesuvian diplomacy now this is where the fun begins>Whenever you cast a spell that targets only a single artifact or creature you control, create a token copy that's non-legendaryessentially, whenever you cast buffs on Howler you create another Howler ... and his ability stacks. Once you have several Howlers out, just discard your hand and you'll ideally have an unblockable commander with 20+ power.
>>97487451>summon commander on 1>dies to tax next turnyou aren't cadting your commander until turn 2, and won't swing until turn 3a 7/7 that blanks your next 2-4 turns is very fair in current edh, and if nobody can remove a 7/7 with no protection, that's on them
>>97487466OH fuck I didn't even think about bloodrush abilities, thats huge. Amazing stuff, thank you
>>97487414Consider a cycle of these to go with it:>Palladia's Roost>1G>Enchantment>At the beginning of your upkeeep, add WRG.Or maybe they could be lands that don't tap for mana but just have an upkeep trigger like this and you give them the lair subtype because it is fitting.
>>97487489>>dies to tax next turnTheres way to get 3 colors of mana turn 2 if you spent literally nothing to cast your commander turn 1Even if you didn't pull it off, Reanimate is still right there, effectively making Dragon Lotus a 0 mana Entomb for Elder Dragon commanders.>>97487531I like the enchantment idea
>>97487466Love that Ill timed explosion tech, not sure if vesuvan duplimancy is worth it just because I don't have much pump to be worth building around but it still is a fun interaction.I really want to scratch that itch of vomiting out a bunch of spells and not really knowing if I'll have enough to keep chaining it but still recklessly swinging at someone out of nowhere. Like regular voltron feels too obvious and safe to line up the shot, I want to balls to the wall out of nowhere
The only dragons that matter are Ugin and Bolas.
>>97487633Ur Dragon mate
>>97487466Also do you run those dicard savers like picrel? cause doing the math I just have to discard 8 cards to smack for lethal so I'm thinking it'd be better to just cut them cause we aren't really worried about burning through the deck
>>97487521nta but fuck. now I wanna build Howler cuz that sounds neato as fuck
Is zethi fun to play? It's one of those decks I've been thinking of building for a while
>>97487450Is this just for the colors? I've seen this card a few times and I've never understood why it works as a commander
>>97487854I thought she was fun, but my regular pod refused to play against the deck anymore because putting boots on her and getting cyclonic rift and high tide into exile was "too powerful" for their ur-dragon decks to deal with.
>>97487875>plays sweaty bullshit>friends don't like it and refuse to play against itWow anon I'm so fucking shocked.
>>97487854She's like a shaved down prowess Narset. The amount of fun I had piloting my friend's deck with her in the command zone came down to how early I was able to find and cycle Lorien Revealed.
>>97487885>miss the point that they are also playing sweaty bullshit
>>97487854I get sad she's not red every time I think about her. Would've been so cool doing a voltron build and watch her get hella fucking buffed every time she attacked
>>97487888I'm just now realizing we both fucked up and she doesn't say instant or sorcery. I'm giving him shit next time he tries to play it.
>EDHrec podcast talking about cards that take too much "mental load">entire podcast griping that they have to keep track of their own cards>...the initiative? I'd never run a card with that effect as a one-off, it's too much bookkeeping>how am I supposed to know what counters my cards have without infinitokens?>coat of arms? you mean I have to keep track of how many creature types are in playrofl THESE are the people running the edhrec site?
>>97487904That site was so much better when people just used it for deck guides/advice, and not social media/influencer bullshit
>>97487904Does anyone actually read any of the articles or whatever that are on EDHrec? I thought the site was only used as a deck list comparison site.
>>97487904I bet you ten eurodollars they could not resolve this card properly.
>>97487941This isn't complex, it's just worded really badly. You just have to destroy two nonblack creatures that are the exact same color.
>>97487904They were right on this point. Eliminating cards that might add load to a turn is an obviously good thing for casual pods since no one wants to watch you struggle with Mathar Crusade at 7PM on a Friday night after a long work week. If it's a clear game winning math bomb I'll just tell someone to shortcut and say he's got it. But stupid shit no one signed up for like dungeons and you trying to figure out what the ring tempting you actually does isn't fun. Even the Monarch is kind of annoying unless it's the whole point of your deck by having Marchesa in the command zone. That said, the EDHRec podcast hosts are annoying reprobates. The gay one constantly bringing up how much he smokes cock is offputting and the fat hicklib activist has universally bad takes, Magic related or not.
>>97487955You sound like a lazy faggot
>>97487816>discard saversno :D by the time they realise what you can do you are a target. this is (usually, depending on the pod and who gets focused) not a commander you win games with - this is a commander you deal 100% commander dmg to take someone out and then smile after you get focused down because you got to "do your thing" with.
>>97487009>play game that involves a good ammount of reading>insist on using game pieces your or your opponent cant read>pretend they're at faultYour cards aren't performing the single function they were made for anon
>>97487904Yup. Remember, hipster posting, bracket autism, and almost all misunderstandings are from people like this. Just get a counter and use different colour dice, or write it on some scrap, it's not complicated. Inituative is stupid as a mechanic, but none of those are "mental load" problems, they're accounting problems.Now keeping track of every card in your deck, every card in your opponent's deck x3 and using real magic skills to determine which lines are available, what your outs are, what their outs are, and whar knowledge is known between all players? That's mental load.
>>97487953Well we're talking about people who don't have the mental bandwidth to track coat of arms here.
>>97487904They shittalked my beloved stickers, so they can kill themselves.
>>97487980Not him, but print those dope as fuck designs in English then. Why the fuck are there unique designs that are JP only?
>>97488001>stickersYOU should be doing the self-killing here anon
>>97487904they made EDH, not CEDH content.pic very much related.
>>97487972>then smile after you get focused down because you got to "do your thing" with.This is so many of my games and I'm completely, 100% satisfied every time. My winrate is easily sub 5% and it doesn't matter at all to me because I get to be the holy-shit level threat of the game
>>97488020Filtered
>>97487904>rofl THESE are the people running the edhrec site?The main guy cant help but make a cringey comment in every video about "im a fag btw"
>just finished making a new deck>already thinking of making anotherHELP
>>97488001>stickers
>>97486524Learn how the game is played, find a nice easy basic bitch commander to build around from edhrec top 100, don't go under 38 lands until you have a solid grasp of deck building, and proxy the fuck out of it because your first deck(s) will be terrible and you might not like the game in the first place so you don't want to sink money into something you may just want to toss in a month.
>>97487965I remove annoying to track stuff out of my decks because I wouldn't want to play against them despite not being overly powerful. Game feel matters and watching someone fiddle with extra steps is annoying. My higher powered decks mostly end on deterministic infinites and my low powered decks win on simple overruns or big mana spells.
>>97488141>My higher powered decks mostly end on deterministic infinites and my low powered decks win on simple overruns or big mana spells.>I'm boring and my decks are boringok
>>97487009His problem if you're using well known cards people should be aware of if they've been playing for more than a month. You're problem if you're using lesser known cards.
>>97487904This is half a based take doeGarage like initative and monarch and other shit that adds gay little minigames to the format should be banned like most of the unfinity mistakes were Coat of arms is retarded take if you play it thats on you to keep track of
>>97488156Fiddling with dice and trying to remember which order your tokens came in for Mathar Crusade is more boring than interaction and more unique effects. Everyone has sat through an opponent failing to manage their tokens properly or struggling with math. It's interesting maybe once. Building up to game shots and denying the opponents' is the actual engaging part of the game. The most fun I can have in a game with someone struggling with their third grade math problem is denying the subsequent swing out with a fog then winning on the crack back.
how strong can these be as commanders?
>>97488156Please hipsterfag feel free to share your hyper interesting totally unique fun to play against decks with their practically unheard wincons at anytime.
>>97488224lol
>>97488218I like Pep. Gruul Etali sans Food Chain seems like a fun play pattern. Thorna would be a nightmare in Abzan. Not sure how good she is in Mardu.
>>97488210Mini games are fun you joyless faggot
>>97488218For me, it's this paper playable badboy.
>>97488170Last I checked. The JP Strixhaven cards are all big stuff like Demonic Tutor, Lightning Bolt, Teferi's Protection, and so on.
>>97488286i feel like this can get busted pretty quicknot sure tho which colors to play him
>>97488285not if they are forced on you. that's rape
>>97488327>mini-games are rapeI am going to rape you
>>97488344doesn't need tracking, not a mini-game
>>97488218What the hell is Pep even doing that would necessitate this being an alchemy card? All you need to do is rewrite the perpetually clause: "Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of that player's library. If it's a nonland permanent, it is an artifact in addition to its other types" or "If it's a nonland permanent, it is an artifact and loses all other types" depending on the intent of the designer.
>>97488218You know, they could've made a genuinely REALLY interesting commander if they swapped the perpetual bullshit from the right one and made it so that next creature that ETBs this turn gets X + counters on it, but no. They had to sacrifice decent ideas on the altar of arena
>>97488015To make you weeb incel even more awkward and embarrassing lol
>>97488410>To make you weeb incel even more awkward and embarrassing lolSar?
>>97487868Piru is mostly just a one off "what if?" of an older style wedge elder dragon. And unironically, it works really well, since at the time the OG elder dragons were made, lifegain was MASSIVELY overvalued in terms of how strong it was, so that mana cost for a 7/7 flying lifelink (It wouldn't be lifelink back then, but it'd be the reminder text for lifelink) that explodes on death is kinda in line with what they'd do back then. Though it dealing 7 to EVERY creature with lifelink would likely have been viewed as insanely strong back then, even if it had to die to do it.
So what was with the Prints Charming secret lair they just did? Is Wizards trying to feel around and see just how much they can actually make people pay for these? I assume the last couple of secret lairs not selling out like previous ones have spurred this dumb test of theirs.
>>97487868It's game plan is Repercussion.
>>97487868Because you can pay 3 mana for repercussion or alternatively you can pay 5 mana for sanguine bond.
>>97488462Oh, wizards does occasionally just throw out random one-off secret lairs.Though there's a non zero chance it was intended to be in tandem with the monster hunter one, it feels like it's been a WHILE since the last real wave.
>>97488488No, I mean what was with the price tiers they were doing? It released in at least five different prices each ten dollars more than the last and they claim each version had nothing the others didn't. That there would be no difference in product between whichever you get. All the advertising around it made it seem like it was either a joke or some public experiment.
>>97488488Oh, I just noticed the weird graded pricing thing.I have a feeling they're trying to recapture the FOMO from before by offering cheaper prices to the first people to roll up and buy. But the issue is that them doubling down so aggressively on FOMO is part of the reason why people aren't paying attention to secret lairs anymore. I used to buy them pretty regularly, but stopped due to a combination of half of them being crap, (Either in terms of contents or presentation) and the ones that aren't crap selling out instantaneously, so I don't even fucking bother to check anymore except maybe once every other month when I remember "Oh hey, what happened to those things?"
>>97488524See >>97488533
>>97488533That's what I was figuring as well. It just rang so odd. They announce this new secret lair and release it the same day that has no reprint value and at multiple tiers of pricing that all have the same exact product? This just sounds pointless. Unless they were testing something. Like perhaps how many people jump at just the word Secret Lair regardless of product and pick them up. The majority of the secret lairs lately haven't sold out anywhere like the previous ones all and I imagine that must really bother them. Enough to start trying weird marketing strategies to poke around and see what works or see how much they're guaranteed from scalping or boting. Without of course realizing they could have just gone print on demand again and/or print better value in these.
>>97488533>>97488556At first they were neat. Quickly they became annoying unreadable garbage. Faster still they became a giant neon signal that whoever you're playing is a knob. Clean readable ones formatted like mtg cards? Cool. Unreadable unintelligible bullshit ones that look like an offbrand tcg from 1997? Pointless, garish, and offensive.
>>97488556Unironically, the best option would be to switch back to the time gated release with print to order. It literally guarantees that they won't have any dead stock since they're printing to order, and it solves half of the issue I have where every secret lair that's actually interesting sells out in less thn half an hour.
>>97487888I wanted a fun spellslinger kind of deck. I built kuja but that's just cast 3 cantrips and everyone dies Narset also seemed like she would be fun, I just like how zethi looks, but not really worried about power since my friends play whatever and no one gives a shit
>>97488429Thank you for your concession
>>97487868it's a reference to the original elder dragons with the stats, casting cost and, upkeep taxthere is no concrete plan, but you can build around the lifelink and death trigger or just punch people to death
>>97488580It probably would be the best of both worlds. That they moved away from it is bizarre and I can't help but wonder what the fuck was the point. What they have now feels like the result of a short term market strategy and now they're stuck with the post bubble pop result of no one buying anymore. Print depending on demand and they can't get as fucked by overstock.
>>97488574>Quickly they became annoying unreadable garbageBarking like MTG players read their cards in the first place
You now remember Andrew swordbro
>>97488625It's cause some brainlet suit saw that deliberately underprinting to cause FOMO worked well for other companies, so they swapped to that. Except that they fucking forgot that they were already DOING FOMO with secret lairs. And then some other retard said that they needed to protect the reprint value so they swapped to making most secret lairs chaff. So now they're stuck in a retarded situation where, in order to create a sense of FOMO, they're only printing a limited quantity of secret lairs, but most of them are garbage, so the one good one sells out in ten minutes, meaning most people know to just not bother, and the rest of them are crap that no one wants so they just sit in stock for months.
>>97488642Yes, they do. Once. And memorize the picture. So when someone plays like snapcaster their reptile brain goes "ah yes blue ching chong wizard guy" or someone plays lightning bolt and they go "of course, bzap". No one knows what the fuck this is.
Any advice how to build deck with visual direction? I want to have phyrexian decks where everything is glossy, oily and shiny and ready to be compleated. How do you find cards with such themes?
>>97488708I know it's the miku snapcaster. Try again.You had a point until you started complaining about the most basic of alternate art secret lairs, then you lost all credibility.
>>97488708>What's tha->Snapcaster mage alt.>Oh, okay.Not very hard.This is why I support Secret Lairs and UB that do reprints, but not ones that do entirely new cards with new shit to learn and memorise.
>>97488732You can use the scryfall art tags but they seem to miss a few cards sometimes. Still your best bet besides having encyclopedic knowledge of all phyrexian art.https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/artwork/phyrexian-oil
>>97488734It says a different name in the textbox. It looks like a proxy. Just because you know something doesnt mean it's legible, inuitive, or reasonable. That's why it's a thousand dollars; no one has this card, and playing it if you arent a miku fan you have no idea.This has the opposite problem where it clearly tells you what card it is, but if you're unfamiliar you need to flip it over and figure it out in in the bottom corner below a nonsense game.
>>97488732Take all your cards and rub them against your greasy forehead until they shine like an oily lighthouse.
Do you think that we will ever get a yawgmoth, father of machines card of him at full completion rather than just an early thran doctor one? We've had like four different Urzas at various power levels at this point.
>>97488739Eh, fair. I was recently bamboozled by those god awful avatar second print sheet cards. You're right about that, live and you learn. But for less iconic cards that actually require inspection, it's a pain. Everyone should know what snappy does.
>>97488768Double sided cards annoy me to no end. How the hell am I supposed to flip a card when it's double sleeved?
>>97488685That guy was such a faggot for putting Chains of Mephistopheles in every black deck he had just to show off for the thread. Completely and utterly performative tripfaggotry
>>97488795He's going to be a "universes within" reprint of another card and you're not going to like it
>>97488708>I play Encore Electromancer!>What's that card?>Oh, it's Snapcaster>Carry on.This is just not the insurmountable gap you make it out to be
>>97488708How this would go in real life>I cast snapcaster mage, any responses?>Nah it resolves. Can I see that? Wow is this real or a proxy...How Anons think this would go>*holds up card* I'm playing this *slams it on table*>OH FUCK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND CAN'T ASK WHAT IT IS OR WHAT IT DOES! WE DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD RESPOND TO THAT OR NOT? NOW HE'S CASTING A CARD FROM HIS LIBRARY?! JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS GOING ON I DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT SPECIFIC ART AAAAAA I'M GOING TO GO ON A MASS SHOOTING SPREE AAAAAA
Convince me not to spend money building the black waifu.
>>97488833Saga management will make other people seethe.Beyond that, I got nothing.
>>97488818>>97488816When it's cast or on the field it's not an issue. When it's incidentally revealed or tucked in a graveyard or just chilling in a big boardstate you cant tell what it is a glance, and while you can ask, it's much easier to forget when the art is fucked.
>>97484972The box i drafted with had 4
>>97488911ironically, this one is more notable amd easier to keep track of than the genuine art
I like the weird hard to read cards
>>97488941No? Maybe in opposite land where you have to say "the fuck is that" but in a deck full of these cards they all look the same.>>97488957Hold my beer.
>>97488833>>97488837 is correct. I have a Narci deck and there's like 20-30 fucking triggers every turn. Casting enchantments, sac'ing enchantments, saga triggers, creatures dying (saga creatures), I feel bad making everyone sit through all my bullshit every turn
>>97488997I can read this just fine
https://moxfield.com/decks/S0k-GSKuyEGe8YgwL70HjwHow does this deck look?This is a 70 iq commander but I swear I must be 60 iq because nothing I ever build with him plays right. I usually just get run over in the first few turns or I have my whole board pinged down on turn 3 onwards.
Has anyone built this alien waifu? I think i am going to throw all my unused dredge and aristocrats golgari cards in to a pile and use her as a CA engine.
>>97488997post the lotr ones
>untap>upkeep>board wipeIt's Commander Time.
>>97489053Not enough mana, not enough ways to win, not enough ways to protect yourself, seemingly no ways to benefit off your opponents getting draws outside of them maybe ignoring you which probably won't happen because they'll expect something swingy out of you since you're in Simic. Edric also has a bit of a reputation for being unassuming until you belt out a bunch of overruns and win. I'd suggest tagging your cards in Moxfield and figuring out what the purpose of every card is and make cuts from there.>>97489096She's a pretty decent role player in my lifegain Betor deck as a passive source of counter growth with Seymour. Her and Betor keep snowballing counters with each other and if I have a lifeloss engine in play I can sacrifice cards like Zack Fair and Selfless Spirit to get draws before they come back in the end step or mess with blockers by signaling a successful death block would give me cards. I want to spin her off into her own deck but I already have too many +1+1 counter decks and would probably throw her in Felothar instead since she lays up into Felothar's attack trigger perfectly.
>>97488833She's so fucking cute bros. Do it anon, build a glorious deck in tribute to the nubian cutie and last hot girl WotC will print in a UW product ever again. >also, think about how much money WotC is leaving on the table by not printing marvels rivals waifu alt cards. If they can't get actual rivals art, pay good artists to create cheese cake full art pinups they do have licenses for. The set would sell billions. WotC printed gay bearscape and big dick bulge oko so they aren't against printing sexualized art.
>>97488833If they all looked like this I wouldn't be racist
>>97489182Bulk rare Eshki was cute.
>>97489096I've built it.Everyone tries to tell you that it's mutant tribal but it's not, it's a one-on-one counters deck. The card advantage is insane although you do have to make sure you have a good sacrifice engine going. And most of your plays happen on your turn
>>97489208You're right. The art of this was cool. I thought about building her but she just sucks too bad. A sad case of great art wasted on a bad card.
>>97489208Sadly she's bad compared to her other version
>remove banlist>bring back tuck rule>bring back old legendary rule>ban all UB cardsThere. I fixed EDH.
>my brother talks shit>mad shit >he BEGS to play against my good decks>I understand this is a terrible idea; he has been playing under a year and I know his friends are not very powerful, whereas my best deck is about as degenerate as it gets and I'm an autistic penultimate gamer>tell him if he can beat this deck I just made (a little stronger than the training wheels deck I normally play) and the revision that's slightly stronger, I'll play my good deck>he accepts the challenge>win 19 times in a row over 2 weeks with the slightly-stronger-than-training-wheels deck>he's genuinely confused, he legitimately thought he was going to cake walk meI dont have the heart to tell him I was playing at a out 75% capacity. He's learning, he made his own decks, I'm proud of him, but the hubris.
>>97489500What was he playing and where were the mistakes he was making? Was it a deck building short coming or was it about choices made during the game?
>>97489483Ban all nonbasic lands that don't have a nonbasic type. Only caves/gates/deserts/etc are allowed. No more sweaty ass shock/fetch/surveil lands
>>97488911>Posts an SLD thats way easier to track than its normal printing because it's not disguising itself as a basic land like the normal printing Do you even understand your own argument, you mental midget?
God I love reprints so fucking much
>>97489483Ban more cards.
>>97489500Some people just don't have the brain to play strategic games like this. If you're not good within a few months of playing, you'll never be good.
>>97489512Both at the same time. His one deck only ramps until he has 5 mana, and then he tries to set up a janky combo that doesnt win the game and costs a shitload of mana that's about as fragile as it gets if the commander is removed. His other decks? Same problem, abysmal fixing, low impact cards everywhere, basically zero removal, and an extreme focus on whatever the commander says. Constantly manascrewed because his fixing is so bad. Folds to any interaction. Like... he's running all the good tutors. He can proxy anything he wants and even has them. Instead? Shitty taplands, no fetches (I bought him a full set with shocks, surveils, and proxy ABUR duals), weird ratios, no removal or interaction at all. Using instants as sorceries. Tunnel vision in an extreme. Poor threat assessment.He is improving. Slowly. I'm being patient. He plays like he's been playing for 3 or 4 years despite having just less than one year experience. He builds his own decks. But he isnt diagnosing what works and what doesnt. Maybe he will one day, I get it's a work in progress, but I'm running a versatile but fragile deck that needs to be interacted with, and the main way to beat it is to slow me down and have good fundamentals.
>>97489601glad I sold mine
>>97489737Were they expensive for a while? I thought they were always cheap budget trash.
>>97489769it was a 3+ dollar card
I think "do thing draw card" commanders are good actually. If your commander exists primarily as a source of card advantage, it pushes you to lean on your 99 for wincons, and away from winning or losing based on your commander's ability to stick to the board
Does this make token creatures into nontokens?
>>97489850
>>97489850This is only true if those people running draw in the command zone also put draw in their 99. Too many of them treat having a commander that draws you cards as license to run minimal draw in the 99, not understanding that they have merely cycled back to the problem of doing nothing without the commander.
>>97489897why would you think that could be a thing
>>97489897No.
>>97489850I only play commanders with zero rules text.
>>97489897they'll enter with the copiable traits of the token while not being tokens. being a token isn't copiable.so they can be white 4/4 flying angel creatures named "Angel" with no mana cost, or black 0/1 thrull creatures named "Thrull" with no mana cost, or blue 1/1 flying and “this token can block only creatures with flying” faerie creatures named "Cloud Sprite" with no mana cost.
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>>97490094>when I had a pirate themed deck, full of treasure, nautical themes, and sea monsters/creatures
>>97490129Have you ever built Sir Shandlar? I like him the most out of all the vanillas from Legends.
>>97490207>Sir ShandlarNegative. Selesnya is one of my favorite dual colors so I want something interesting to play, like Saffi. My Saffi decks smashed when Prime Time was legal.>Saffi + Prime Time + Emeria, the Sky Ruin + Privileged Position and Sterling Grove gave you an unbeatable board position
>>97487414*Casts a Strixhaven Elder Dragon*
>>97490303I'd take a free Hraesvelgr any day.
>>97490303Good point. What if you discarded cards equal to the mana spent with the lotus if the creature you cast with it had a mana value lower than 8? Then it would still work as intended while allowing the freedom to do something else with it at a price.
Cool Kid Lotus 0ArtifactT, Sac: Add any amount of mana of any color to your mana pool. For each mana you add this way, send a check to MaRo for $100.
Is she still playable in this day and age?
>>97490413it's not unplayable but it's not good
bros we're on page 10
I picked this thing up cheap mostly for the Jeska's Will, got to give it a whirl today and hot damn it went offCan't believe how much value the cards in there are worth, i wanted to use it for parts but now I'm a little torn
>>97490461Do something about it then
Before this thread autosages, I am enjoying a book quite a lot. I am also using a magic card for a book mark. I did not expected piss to kill 260,418 grown men, excluding women and children.
>>97490620Gunpowder was derived from piss. Gunpowder has killed hundreds of millions. Piss is humanity's curse
>>97490566>Jeska's WillIt's in the fucking deck list???? What the fuck, you'd be stupid not to bu-->everywhere is $125 or aboveoh okay
>>97490669Wow. Didnt know that. I was reading Gargantua and Pantagruel and I got to the part where Gargantua was swarmed in Paris for being a giant, and pissed so violently it killed exactly that number of dudes. Now here I am learning of piss warfare and gunsmithing, eating mashed potatoes in bed. What an age to be alive. At least I dont wipe my ass with a live gooseneck, which is apparently a magical experience.
>>97490566>>97490688jesus what'd you pay for it? I looked at the deck list and you'd be turning a profit even if you got it for $100
>>97490566I want so many cards from the mind flayer deck
Which SLop commander should I build?>Aloy>one of the Dwights>one of the Eddies>one of the Sonic characters>Deadpool
Is he the most based little red guy?
>>97490718Sonic with energy token so you can zap to the extreme
>>97490740He's up there for sure
Chainer, Dementia Caster>WGLegendary creature - MinionAs an additional cost to cast this spell, circumcise 2 and create a foreskin token.Protection from Chuds, Incelwalk>Dementia Paladin T: change target players pronouns and cut off that players dick. Then turn turn target players library upside down, they play with their deck face up.
>>97490718Play Shadow, putting split second on every spell is hilarious, I wish it wasn't restricted to a UB Secret Lair (even if it's relatively cheap). A split second massive Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate is absolute archenemy kino.
>>97490413baneslayer angel and many other popular silver/bronze age mtg cards (mirrodin 2003 to ravnica allegiance 2018) will only find a real home again not in edh, but in a new 60 card closed format similar to premodern
I've been working on this goddamn deck on and off for almost a year now and I can not for the life of me figure out what the last few cuts should be. Can you guys please advise? I need to lop off seven, though I could potentially only do six if the curve looks right.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-05-25-zethi/?cat=custom&sort=name&cb=1762740654
>>97484453like any deck, you start out small then work your way up if you like it.My Goreclaw deck started as a $30-40 budget deck before it became a $450 deck 10 months later.
>want a brainless smash face commander that fuels extra combats for itself and grows stronger while doing so>Tifa gets released>cute but her buffs are temporary and she wants lots of people attacking with her >wish there was a more focused extra combat permanent upgrade commander>get one >it's dual faced temur capeshit Be careful what you wish for lads.
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