Fear of the Dark EditionPrevious: >>97491146>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What is your most hipster non-partner deck?
>>97501429Lignify my balls.Gottem.
>>97501442No one even asked who Steve Jobs was
>>97501395Oh shit you're right. Normally I hate doing that, but I might
>>97501442Good job.10/10.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97501485I prefer Thourty life personally.
Anyone have some experience with this?
>>97501514No, but seems like a better card in the 99 of a deck with blue. You need a creature to copy and spells to cast. It's hard to get both, usually it's one or the other.
>>97501514>>97501546There's a lot of neat red legendaries that unfortunately make for very boring commanders because they printed them as monored
>>97501514She goes hard in feather.
>>97501569Fuck meant to post pic related
>>97501582>This is why I think the colour pie is kind of outdated. Being one colour shouldnt be a drawback.Please don't start this shitposting bullshit this early in the thread. You already had half a dozen posts deleted last thread, learn your fucking lesson.
>>97501581Is this a storm dragon? Has anyone made a "whoops all robits" deck with this yet?
>>97501590I'll preempt all this by apologizing. This thread is nice, I wont break the golden rule.
>>97501429>TQ: What is your most hipster non-partner deck?I have no idea. Maybe Dromar?
>>97501595I don't know what this means, but I do want to complain about nullkite some more.It's just so fucking annoying. I love cards that are like "all of your X have Y" because it adds new dimensions to existing cards. But monored is one of the worst fucking colors for big mana creatures and sac synergies.Like gruul would have been incredibly obvious for an effect like that, but at least it'd be more interesting than red. I think if they'd made it jund, it would be a pretty popular commander. Alas it fucking sucks.
>>97501615You are 40 years old.
>>97501429>TQLowest ranked of all of my decks on EDHrec. I hate using that as a metric, but I don't know what else I could use for "hipster"
>>97501622It means you run a deck filled with creatures that have all the same mana cost, and ways to get them back from the yard. Mostly artifacts or things with colourless costs. You emerge through a loop of robots and artifact shenanagains. I think there's a good deck lurking there, even in monored.
>>97501590>schizoanon tries to start another argument after spam reporting some random person to get them punishedGrim state of affairs
>>97501651Who? I deleted my post. This is a nice thread. No one is arguing about anything or making up stories.
>I play this spell>In response to me playing my spell I'm going to use this ability 100000000 billion times to hold prio and hold the game hostage for as long as I like because I don't want to lose in this casual formatSurely this isn't how magic is meant to work
>>97501690Tryhards who couldn't make it in competitive formats come to the kiddypool to swim laps. Happens.
>>97501630...and?
>>97501690Yes, holding prio shouldn't be a thing, and there should be an actual rule that you need to sac a permanent for every minute your turn takes past 2 minutes for the "mental strain of your planeswalker self"
>>97501690No one does this.
Buying this was probably a mistake. Feel like shit is just too powerful in general for this to have a large impact, but fuck it.
>>97501715even total retards can produce another permanent in a minute, and making them juggle another task is just gonna add time. just time stop them if they go over 5
>>97501745>that flavor textPhysically painful to read
>cast staff of compleation>guy scoops immediately and starts complaining about infinitesdid he think it was staff of domination?
>>97501752He was spooked. Super spooked. I would be too; looks spooky.
>>97501745>Buying this was probably a mistake.if it makes you feel better premodern goblins uses the goblin squad secret lair except bushwhacker so just build that for early 2000s gameplay + fancy
>>97501745Run it with aetherflash.
>>97501798Why is that goblin a literal baby???
>>97501690>>97501715in tournaments people get a judge to call out slow play and force them to get to an arbitrary large number (ex. 1 million) so that they can stop with their infinite loop and keep the game going in casual that's called using your common sense (which isn't actually all that common)
>>97501740It happened to me. Some faggot Yuna player played freed from the real and when he finally had to pass prio after doing the stupid dance "9 googleplex times so he could cast his walking ballista someone cast orim's chant in response so he went back to tapping and untapping in response because someone else was going to swing for lethal on everyone when it got to their turn.
>>97501622I mean, it's not just mono red, it's kinda obviously meant to work with eldrazi shenanigans he works pretty well for that purpose and course the reason gruul didn't get an effect like that is probably because they probably wanted to limit the number of colors this thing got access to, to avoid future headaches
>>97501846Whenever stuff like this happens I will generally just go "Are you planning on doing anything else?" starting politely and then going more direct and louder each repetition until I get a response, after that I will just indicate the next person to play. The most times I've ever had to ask someone was 4, usually they get the point by then. I've only once had it where I insisted on the rest of the pod continuing play and the guy just picked up his stuff and left the store.
They are going to unban the zesty elf...
>Rhystic banned >Primetime unbanned Good times upon us greenchads
>>97502034Pure fucking copium
>>97502012>mfw
>>97502012>>97502034There some kind of inner track for info or are you just being retards?
Is there any reason to run Oblation over Generous Gift in mono-white?
>>97502077Putting it back into their library instead of the graveyard while also giving them 2 cards is a lot of benefit over a shitty 3/3 elephant and going to the graveyard
Coming in at #1563 most popular commander.
>>97502012>mfw it will just be some shitty card that doesn't deserve to be on the banlist and nothing cool or big like zesty elf or prime time or dockside
>>97502072Bruh wotc is evil and stupid so of course they'll unban all cards and do a hybrid mana change and also unban all un-cards.
>>97502077My group still plays with tuck, so that.
>>97502113Based. Mine still plays with old legend rule and mana burn
>>97502077Yes, Oblation is sometimes a divination if your deck makes a lot of shitty artifact or creature tokens and can also get around indestructible if that matters in your meta.
>>97502077Giving a blocker can be very annoying depending on deck.
>>97501514You just play all of the "when [creature] attacks for the first time there is an extra combat" and win the game on the spot, that's all she does
>>97502120Old legend rule, or old old legend rule?
>>97502112they'll also replace all your in universe characters with turtles!
>>97502104I know a guy who ran this
>Anon ask the table if were ready to see his commander>"I'm playing... SONIC!">Uh ok>He then talks about all the sonic games he's played>Draws into something he's super excited about>"I play... SUYPERSTATE!!!!">He kills one of us>Plays Tails and keeps talking about Sonic>He eventually loses>"Ah shucks, well see you guys!"See you around King.
>>97502120>mana burnBased.
>Rhystic StudyI don't see this banned, because, while it *does* kill the tempo of a game, it's just a fucking braincell+interaction check. It does nothing other than add a pseduo-tax onto everything, which we already have in spades. And, banning Rhystic means that then we have to acknowledge all of the other annoying shit like Tithe, Remora, Sentinel, etc.>Ban/GC ViviVivi already self-regulates to higher-power tables. He's already been balanced out in cEDH levels, where Ral, Stella, Jhoira, and both Niv-Mizzets provide alternate options.>PrimeTime off of BansGod no. Anyone that played back during his heyday remembers how fucking stupid this fuck was. Blue literally ran a ton of cloning effects just so they could try and abuse their opponent's titan as well. Grabbing any 2 lands, unconditionally on ETB, is crazy>Emmy off of BansIffy. She's still FAR too easy to abuse, and you really don't need her cast trigger to even break her. I can see her being an experimental unban, just to remind everyone that some toys aren't meant to be played with.>BiorhythmEncourages toxic patterns and punishes decks that play creature-lite lists, but, overall, would self-regulate out like Armageddon and Coalition Victory did. Easy experimental unban>Hybrid ChangeIt's happening, whether we want it or not. The only question is if WotC pulls the trigger now, or waits until the talk quiets down.>Lotus/Dockside/CryptWhile I'd love to see my little bastard Dockside unbanned, the children that sent death threats made sure these 3 will never see an unbanning for a few years. Even if they're fine (subjective), the playerbase CAN NOT be rewarded for being pieces of shit
>>97502112If this were the case, they would have done, and keep doing 1000 dollar SL power nine + all true duals and other RL cards over and over again.
>>97502200Rhystic is an IQ check. If your pod isn't getting rid of it, then you need to be running it. If not, you need to be running removal for it, and let others know. People need to quit bitching about it and remove it. Easy.>>97502200>>PrimeTime off of BansI agree. It was a design mistake, but I still want to see what shakes out with unbanning it. So many broken cards have been printed since then, and this might actually even things out, instead of bend the format towards it.>>97502200>>Emmy off of BansI hated her. It was almost an auto-include back in the day because so many decks had ways to cheat it out, ramp into her fast, or use it as mill-protection and then their only win-con. Pretty much any deck you made had to have several ways to deal with her or else you'd lose, because she was so prevalent after Worldwake. With that being said unban her and see what happens.>>97502200>>BiorhythmThis was banned when I started, and I see why. It gives so many decks and situations no response to "I win." It's just a cop out win. Unban it, but I hope many don't play it because it's just not fun.>>97502200>>Hybrid ChangeGod I hope not. >>97502200>>Lotus/Dockside/CryptLotus should have never been made, same with Dockside. Crypt is so good, but it's fault is other overpowered cars printed since then.
>Regular pod agreed that we could proxy cards we already own>So only bought 1 copy of Rhystc, and use it in 2 decks>Friend who doesn't know how to play anything but 3+ card good stuff decks that always touch blue and bought 8 copies of rhystic is melting down just at the thought of it maybe getting banned.Oh, I want to seem him melt down and see videos of people lighting their piles of rhystics on fire like they did with crypt, dockside, and jewlotus
>>97502228honestly, Dockside would've been fine with any number of slight functional changes>Only generates treasures when Cast from Hand>Treasures enter tapped>Ritual mana instead of treasuresAny of these 3 would make him fair for his intended use (punish heavy artifact/enchantment spam).
Offloaded by rhystic today for 40 bucks. Slight loss but itd alright. I still have an anime one I intend to keep if it gets banned.
>>97502231You want your friend to suffer?
>>97502228>Lotus should have never been madeLotus would be fine if it only applied to commanders with 6CMC and above
>>97502358Considering all he does is play goodslop net decks and talks down to us for "owning every card in his decks" (after coming every week with another "proxy test deck") yeah.
>>97502120When is mana burn ever relevant?
>>97502377pic related, also pay attention in your next games and notice how many people leave 20+ mana floating when turns end.
>>97502388This card seems fun
>>97502392With a damage doubler, yeah. That X can stack up really fast.
>>97502388>one enchantment and a scenario that never happens, doubly wouldn't happen if mana burn were a thingPERFORMATIVE
>>97502495If mana burn was a thing I would 100% put that in every deck I have that hits red.Its good as it is now.
>opponent is running every end the turn effect >completely shuts down 3 different winsIt’s such a brutal effect.
>>97502524Always feels too mean to use in any way that doesn't just make it a very expensive counter spell.
>>97502524it would be, if it wasn't such a high mana cost to use. 6 mana, unless you're playing the singular red one, is pretty fucking shitty.
I dislike Rhystic's play pattern so I don't own any copies or wish to. The only taxation effects I enjoy playing are pillow fort enablers that dissuade players from targeting me and my stuff and not taxes on game actions they'd want to make to further their own board state. I love Abolishers and Propagandas.
>>97501429>What is your most hipster non-partner deck?Nothing comes to mind really. I do have this guy built as a wrestling theme deck. That's kind of odd I guess.
>>97502543>a wrestling theme deckBased
>>97501429I'm still surprised this king is rank #1,294 on EDHRec.
>>97502200>>97502228reminder that every unban will be a GC by default so they will not ruin your baby b2 pods>but i don't want to be classified as b2!!tough luck that you have absolutely no foresight, brackets are there for a reason and b3 is more than just "bracket 2 with 3 GCs"
i hate game changers because the decks i play only have boring ones, while red gets jeskas will and breach
>>97502608>while red gets jeskas will and breachred as a color can be strong but is very limited to storm/wheels and a few key cards like breach and swat, the fact that they even allowed swat back in bracket 2 again to give red some more oomf in casual says a lot
red shouldn't exist
>>97502178Seems like a chill guy
I spent 9 hours and made my brother a deck for his birthday.
>>97502178he cute
>>97502684you cute
>>97502691Thanks. He didnt seem to care. I picked all the art for him, I made sure it was built to his elaborate specifications. I even included all the stupid avatar cards he likes. I didnt have a lot of money so I playtested the damn thing like 150 times to get it perfect.Maybe one day he'll like it.
>>97502651spicy take
>spend a day working on new deck>even buy a couple singles I didnt have for it>it works but its boringFuuuck
>>97502636i dont care about how strong they are, i care that there fun cards to play, every fucking black GC is either a tutor or draw, i feel nothing when i play them, but top decking jeskas will feels fucking amazing, same thing with using breach, there fun cards to play, compared to shit like rhystic study/tithe/ black tutors
>>97502728What deck was it? My decks are always foo interesting, if anything.
I decided to be a piece of shit and build Vivi.Any must-includes, besides the obligatory Curiosity effects, Quicksilver Elemental, and Sigil of Sleep?
>>97502748You must include a HRT prescription you Final Fantashit tranny
>>97502748>built vivi at an extremely low power>friends complained>took him apart and built kuja and they complained even more>said fuck it and rebuilt vivi with the same power level>they tell me vivi is less broken then kuja and i get really fucking confused
>>97502759if there was an in-universe version of Vivi, I'd use there. but there isn't. so take that stick out of your gaping prolapse asshole and sit the fuck down
>>97502608>>97502741Whats the issue here?
>>97502773i want fun game changers in black, the only slightly fun one to drop is bolas
>>97502771>if it was convenient to hold to my convictions I would! Shutup >=(
>>97502790what convictions? I'm here to play a fucking game. I don't like the UB cards, but I'm not going to ignore broken shit like the One Ring or Vivi. If they get a real printing, ill swap
>>97502786black by design is the most boring color
>>97502786Oppo is fun off a dark ritual turn 1 in response to a fetch.
>>97502786Whats the issue here im confused. If they arent fun dont include them. There are lots of fun cards that arent game changers. Im confused what's the problem exactly
What are some new cards you've played recently that you thought were fun?I've really enjoyed Y'shtola and Auntie Ool recently. Cloning Y'shtola with whatever that Ember Island Players card is called felt pretty good and ended the game fast
>>97502794>>97502771They never will print an in-universe version, that’s the entire point. And youre buying into the FOMO
>>97502759when will you kill yourself, esl shitskin? your constant obsession with trannies is already old.
Putting together a politics deck. What are your favorite interaction cards?
>>97502759kek basedNow watch him call it "approved UB!"
>>97503062>Tempt with discovery>Always take the land>Pod complains, but everyone else ramps as well>Tempter becomes archenemy for having most lands and playing bigger threatsits so fucking good
>>97503122its usually because one person who eagerly takes the land, because they are the combo player who is only a few mana short of popping off, and that convinces everyone else to take a land because they are dipshits.
>>97503062Gix or Edric to push the table for more combat.
>>97502804Is this also why white has no good cards? Because it's the color of background NPCs?
>>97503152more because blue takes all of white's good cards and paints over them.
>>97503173Blue is the color of stealing bad cards? Isn't it the color of smart people? Why doesn't it just steal the busted black cards and get Demonic Tutor?
>>97503191think you'd have been better served elaborating your thoughts in that post.I was implying some of the better blue cards would thematically fit more under white's color identity, but as blue is the most catered to color in the game, they get the best mechanics from each color.
>>97503191Blue isn't the color of smart people, it's the color of people who THINK they're smart and make that their entire personality.This is likely not intentional and a side effect of dumb people trying to write smart characters, but it's true all the same
>>97503195I'm still annoyed at them deciding that looting should be blue and only blue. Seriously, why the fuck does blue need draw then discard when it already has no strings attached card draw as part of its core identity? Just fucking give looting to red, christ.
>>97503197Honestly I'd agree with you on that even down to the mechanical design with modern blue cards. Look at what Izzet is now.>If you inhale, draw 7 cards and make a 10/10>This takes 400 IQ because you needed to include both creature spells and noncreature spells in the same deck!Once you realize R&D is retarded enough to miss shit like Lurrus, Vivi, and Nadu while thinking Dirge Bat will ruin the game, you realize that their idea of "hard to build around" is "did the bare fucking minimum"
>>97502012Is there going to be a change soon?
>>97502728I felt similarly a couple times. Few things suck more. What deck was it?
>>97502887Call me obsessed, you cannot call me wrong.
>>97502034>6 mana creature>no cast trigger>no protection>it generates good value on enter>will get out of hand quick if it sticks>moderate but not back breaking value if it gets killed on enterI get green isn't short on good cards but I don't see a good reason for prime time to be banned instead of just game changer.
>>97503373I can and I will, and when you start trying to share your crossposts in /vg/ you'll still be wrong.
>>97503225Next week they will announce something regarding the format focusing on the banlisit.
>>97503225>>97503434
>>97503437>legal in the 99 is now enforced Welcome back Golos.
>>97502012I believe they are considering it. He was added to arena recently as part of powered cube and by extension added to brawl on arena. While you might not give a shit about arenababs wotc does use arena to gather data on cards. If brawl could handle the zesty elf I wager he sees an unban.
>>97503479they decided they liked pauper commander so much they're implementing the rule to regular commander that any mythic rare can be your commander, no legend necessary
>>97503424That HRT brainfog is real huh?
>>97503437It's going to be hybrid change. They got Command Zone to flip and shill that shit months ago after saying they were against such a change when WotC took over the format
Reminder everything about Magic's design direction makes sense once you understand that MaRo is a narcissist who wishes more than anything that he had personally designed the game.MaRo is constantly tinkering with the rules to leave his fingerprints in the game's DNA so he can feel like he is responsible for its popularity.He has said before that he didn't like Commander when it first started getting popular and he resisted designing cards for it. Before you go saying "le based xDDD design for commander was a mistake!!!!"- first of all, consider that like the good corporate stooge he is, he did it anyway- but secondly it was never because he wanted Commander to be good, it was literally because he didn't like the format at all and he has said as much.Flash forward a few years, and guess what? MaRo is personally responsible for designing CommanderLite for Standard with Companions. It was his seething jealousy that compelled him to do it. He couldn't stand that there was a format he wasn't involved in that was more popular than anything he did.And now the hybrid change is more of the same shit. He NEEDS to feel like the game exists in a form he created. I'm sure it's no coincidence that he's also going after rules that apply to his precious companions too.And now he's launching his own card game too.The man is a narcissist who needs to feel control.
>>97503578I hate MaRo for shoving fifteen double le thing cards into every set.
would you run slightly more expensive reanimate spells like zombify in a deck where mana isnt a problem over something like animate dead?
>>97503578>Mark is a narcNo way! You're telling me the retard that says companions are a 9 on the storm scale when 50% of them are banned in a format and 70% of them caused problems, while Storm is a 10 on the storm scale despite doing nothing outside Pauper might be... stupid?You're telling me the man behind Unfinity in Legacy isn't smart?You're telling me the guy who wanted Bagel and Schmear to be the chase card of SPM by making it 0-mana and INSTANTLY DRAW ON ETB might not be forward-thinking?You're telling me the guy who made the Jacestice League then had a tism fit over it because the fan term was based on a DC property rather than a Marvel one might have ego issues?
>>97503629No because even when mana isn't a problem, unless you've gone infinite (in which case, win the game what the fuck are you doing?) you're still going to be able to cast more spells by paying 3 less on your reanimate. Also the lower cost card is more useful to you early game.
>>97503537only for you.
>>97502824I think he's trying to say if you exclude gamechangers for B2 or whatever reason you don't lose much fun in regards to black, but a lot for red. So concerning game changers there is not much reason in black to "step up" and play GCs because they are not fun, but there is in red since it's GCs are fun.Not sure why he goes about this in such a roundabout way. Autism most likely
>>97503629Why not, sick flavor text too
>>97503644you are right I guess, but reanimate and animate dead (the good cards) are so expensive (rl money wise)>>97503695thought about that classic one.
>>97503699>but reanimate and animate dead (the good cards) are so expensive (rl money wise)Such is life. If you're playing a reanimate deck, you want them regardless, if you're not then you'll live without them.I only have 1 copy of each and recently took Reanimate out of Xu-Ifit and put it into the elementals precon because it struggles with board presence but sacs shit constantly.Make good choices
>>97503550The shilling in this video is so fucking bad>Beseech the Queen is fine in all decks because paying 6 for a tutor is bad :)Ignoring how trivially easy it is to just pay the BBB instead. Even budget options like Exotic Orchard will get you part of the way there if anyone at the table has black, but treasures are the obvious route>phyrexian mana looks different so we don't even need to address it :)No, you fucking do. No one is arguing that phyrexian mana looks like hybrid mana or that people are going to get the two confused, they're saying that changing hybrid because "you get to choose how to cast it" is logic that applies to phyrexian mana. They even explicitly fucking say later in the video that hybrid going in monocolor is how it was "intended" in other formats, and by that fucking logic you can't argue against phyrexian mana working the same way And JLK constant fucking comment is >I don't think it would be brokenAs if that's the fucking standard. Oh gee I guess we can just make any retarded change we want to the rules of the format as long as it doesn't cause anything to be broken! I've got a new rule. Every player starts with 60 life, decks can have any number of cards, all monocolor commanders have partner, planeswalkers are legal as commanders- I don't think any of this would be BROKEN so it must be JLK approved!!!!
>>97503770Gonna laugh my ass off when the hybrid change goes through and all the fossils in this thread spend a week shitting seething text bricks like yours.
>>97503795>haha it's so funny when things get worse, because people react negatively to it!Grow up.
>>97503805Every B&R is funny this game's community are ultra sensitive babies
>>97503816>ha! you CARE about your hobby? This guy's feeling a human emotion! What a loser amirite!?Not beating the immaturity allegations there bud
>>97503795It's like 5 sentences, you really shouldn't brag about how low your standards are.
>>97503826The color identity rule in EDH raped this game so yeah I will laugh at any strike against it and every stupid unc clinging to it.
I couldn't find a custom card thread, but I was disappointed the Final Fantasy scene boxes skipped over FF4. I'm hoping that it gets a commander deck if they do another Final Fantasy set and I feel a graveyard keyword focused deck could be a good style for it. Might be too slow though.
>>97503770>BBB is easy to pay!Okay. Pay it. Spend 3 treasures for the shittiest tutor ever instead of using them on actual acceleration. Find your 1-of land that "fixes" you into what's effectively colorless mana just for one card, unless you need to tutor that as well, making you spend even more turns doing nothing to find one card that you're revealing on resolution.Fucking nogames talking about shit you don't understand.
>>97503770What's it like, waking up and typing all that first thing in the morning and trying to ruin an otherwise nice thread?
If I had a nickel for every baitpost complaining about a paragraph of text being too much, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's telling it happened twice.
>>97504036If you get a nickle then I'd get a dime whenever a dumb monologue wastes my damn time. And it'd be like the march of dimes up in this bitch. I'd have more dimes than Stockton, more dimes than than the pope, I'd weigh them by the tonne and ship them by boat.
>>97503578>>97503635Embarrassing posts fellas>>97503770>retard still going on about phyrexian mana despite it having no relation to hybrid and being completely irrelevantDidnt learn your lesson yesterday I see lmao
>>97503920This post doesnt even make sense. Color identity is integral to this format, its a core design decision and it always has been.>bwah but it changedHardly. It allowed stuff like Bosh to be played.
>>97504078I'm not letting you poison the well.Mark wanted Tug of War in Legacy and even went on his blog saying he didn't understand why R&D had a rule against subgames being tournament-legal.He unironically thought Shahrazhad's problem was being too powerful.
>>97504061if i were to get a quarter, for every shitpost in order, i'd be all to happy to stop after listening to so much slop, but since that aint the result, back to you I insult.
>>97502077You spend mana to put an opponent ahead one card>>97502178>High-functioning autist plays game using something he likes>Participates in game, kills someone (probably you)>Doesn't get assmad when he losesEven if that did happen, what part am I supposed to be mad about?
>>97504090>random non sequiturI love the delusional dunning Krueger retards that infest this thread.
>>97504090That is the funniest shit I've seen all day. How the fuck would that work?>I pick emrakul, blightsteel, and archon of cruelty>That's nice. I pick blazing archon, clarion conqueror, and blighted agent
>>97503920Wow anon you're so contrarian and edgy I want to reply to you 100 more times!!!
>>97504115>see you around KINGNothing. Youre a fucking moron holy shit.
>>97503981>I couldn't find a custom card threadSo make one. This is the /edhg/ thread not a custom card thread, fuck off.
>>97504140put your sperg away, we got 20 of your posts queued up as it is.
>>97504110If I got a dollar for each awful post, my bank would be legion. My profits? Quite gross. For each boast that's morose I'd butter some toast and eat it while copied by Helm of the Host. Because I'm legendary.
>>97504144No please fuck off this isnt a thread for dogshit custom cards.
>>97504153it was one post no one responded to but you.
>>97503981>4-mana 3/4>Ward 2>Effect 1 sets up effect 2 and draws cards because fuck youYou should work at WotC with designs this lazy.
>>97503981How is Cecil abzan at all thematically? He's basically the ideal embodiment of the current bend towards esper knights the design team has
>>97504156I never responded to the custom card. I responded to your annoying flippant attitude when you were rightfully told this isnt the place.
>>97503770What I really don't get is how retards keep saying "this will be be fine because Beseech the Queen isn't broken" but forget that Manamorphose and the Companions exist. There's a few fun, fair tech options (Pit Fight being addable to mono-green is cool), but it seems like people are just hoping there's nothing that everyone just overlooks.Also, it's retarded that they're expanding the deckbuilding rules just to accommodate a set gimmick... again. Yeah, nobody really plays Vehicle commanders other than a few like Titanic, but it's a lot easier to regulate those than a mechanic that's been here for over a decade.The "restrictions breed creativity" format is losing its identity and is slowly turning into just group-based construction.>>97503981>Cycling (1-hybrid)I kike the vision, but that line right here needs reworked.>>97503982>Complains about nogames>Thinks there's no good <= 2-CMC cards
>>97504194and like I said, no one responded to it at all, it took that dipshit, if it wasn't (You), bringing it up to get other people to post about it, if they aren't also the dipshit.
>>97504201>"Manamorphose will break the game!">Tries desperately to say he's not nogames
>>97504203>nogamesNot a substitute for an argument.
>>97504124>>97504090It's worse than that, holy fuck.>I pick tabernacle, stasis and rootmaze>Yeah, well I pick enchanted evening, opalescence and humility
>>97504203I'm not saying "it will break games" you nogame faggot, I'm saying it will be retarded.If you really want an elaboration, it's because it enables already-existing degenerate strategies. At worse, it basically reduces your deck size by 1 for no downside other than needing two mana.
>>97504229Oh no, you have 98 cards in the theoretical worst time line. It's the equivilant of running a partner. Save me from the horror MaRo, surely shitposting nonstop about it will make things better.
>>97504229You mean like Street Wraith (not played) and Git Probe (rarely played even in cEDH) do?Nogames posting as usual.
>>97504241Man, shut up squirrelfag.
>>97504203>>"Manamorphose will break the game!"See: >>97503770>>I don't think it would be broken>As if that's the fucking standard. Oh gee I guess we can just make any retarded change we want to the rules of the format as long as it doesn't cause anything to be broken!>I've got a new rule. Every player starts with 60 life, decks can have any number of cards, all monocolor commanders have partner, planeswalkers are legal as commanders- I don't think any of this would be BROKEN so it must be JLK approved!!!!
>>97504247Swing and a miss, hot take derp man. Just because you woke up on the gay side of the bed doesnt mean you arent retarded. Cant you just make a bowl of cereal, talk about things you like, and be happy? I like this card.
>>97504245Street Weath doesn't increase my storm count by 1, both are harder to go mana-positive, and both are going to cause me to lose 2 life. In the case of Probe too I'm limited by timing ln that one.Again, reducing the decksize by 1 is the WORST use of the card.
How exactly is the hybrid mana change meaningfully worse than what we already have, which is commanders that have random WUBRG text in them just to inflate their identity, or cards like TOR which is just blatantly pushed design slammed onto a colorless artifact?Why should 1c/2c decks unilaterally suffer in the name of format identity when we already have an unending wave of 4c/5c slop piles available that completely erase this very concept, and massively benefit from doing so?
>>97504277>How exactly is the hybrid mana change meaningfully worse than what we already haveJustify why it would have to be worse for anyone to oppose it.
>>97504271>Nogames referring back to his previous nogames post after running out of arguments
>>97504273Yeah, I'm thinking this is squirrelfag.
>>97504280Because if it doesn't make the game worse then it's just baseless fearmongering.
>>97504277>How exactly is the hybrid mana change meaningfully worse than what we already have"Let me smash your fingers with a hammer. What? Why not? I already shot you!"
>>97504202>actually its your fault my off topic shit is flooding the thread nowOr other people woke up and saw it when they were browsing the thread, given the time of day that makes much more sense. Leave your custom garbage out of here.
>>97504275>Storm count +1 is literally the best argument he could come up withHere's one that works with affinity and I don't see that one terrorizing your theoretical Timmy table where Storm is the boogeyman.
>>97504283Think what you want. Clearly you have a limited capacity to do so, less capacity to articulate yourself, and even less capacity to understand magic.
>>97504287Nogames posting as usual.
>>97504289I don't see people responding to every dumb post made in the last 12 hours but the one you brought up. weird how that works, isn't it?
>>97504291How are you going mana-positive with Bauble besides Urza? How are you using Bauble to mana fix? How are you immediately getting a card back in your hand to replace Bauble?Your argument seems to be pointing at a bunch of GOOD cards that are slightly worse at doing some of the individual things that Manamorphose does. Are you retarded?
>>97504287If you shot someone they should be dead, following your analogy. So smashing their fingers is irrelevant. You can already shoot them. Just because you suck at shooting people doesnt mean you should be the arbiter on taking finger smashing from people who would enjoy it.
>>97504291>>97504292>>97504297This man is in his mid-30s.
>>97504312>Shoot someone in the foot>They instantly die
>>97504282It's way too early in the thread for your shitposting. Kindly fuck off.
>>97504307>How are you going mana positive with Bauble aside from (card that instantly makes bauble go mana positive)Not the brightest nogames poster folks...
>>97504307You could just say you dont know how artifacts work.
>>97504307Bauble is played in Legacy Murktide, Manamorphose is not. Epic fail!
>>97504330Thats my line
>>97504326>Redditspacer makes bad argumentUrza makes every 0-cost artifact into a better Mox, so it is invalid for this discussion. Nobody is arguing about Urza's power level.
>>97504321I mean, your aim sucks. Not my problem. You can shoot them. Or, escaping your stupid analogy, a partners deck can run everything under the sun with a mox with upside as a commander just to get more colours; if you cant shoot someone in the face with a setup like that, it reall is a skill issue.
>>97504285No, see you demanded people justify how it is worse than WotC's design choices. That's not the same thing.Commander is the only format with color identity, that is what it is based on. Changing hybrid mana fundamentally undermines color identity and the literal stated justification is "well that's how it works in other formats tho!!!!!"Commander isn't other formats, that's why people play it.It is inherently bad to erode the identity of the format just so Rosewater can finally feel like he left his mark on it. No one needs to compare it to anything else to view it as bad.>inb4 "b-b-but 18 fucking years ago identity was different"You tried and failed with that one last thread.
>>97504344>The format is based on color identityIf that was true there would be rules against having a 5c commander.
>>97504330>Smarmy nonargument
>>97504339Ah yes. The card not currently played in any format. My apologies.
>>97504339Yeah and as it turns out all the things that make Manamorphose useful at all can instead be used with better cards to win the game.
>>97504340You say that like Partners themselves weren't a mistake.
>>97504360No. I say that like omae wa mou shindaru and you're complaining about stubbing your toe before you errupt in a fountain of gore.
>>97504349No that is something arbitrary that you have come up with because you're mad.
Is EDH dying?If so what can we do to improve the format?Personally I think we should focus less on the card themselves and more on how people play.I think getting people to play in a LGS, especially one where you have to pay money to play, is a huge barrier. LGS's for all they do are still pretty awful places.We need to focus on ways to get people playing kitchen-table style with their buddies.
>>97504352Someday soon you may realize that other formats have different standards, same reason why Golos is busted in EDH but completely fine in every other format.
>>97504387That's nice. What does that have to do with me posting a stupid goblin nobody has ever used that makes bauble mana positive?
>>97504374No? Now it just sounds like you're projecting because someone disagrees with you on the Internet.
>>97504407Yes? It doesn't sound like that you're just mad that you're losing the argument in front of everybody.
>>97504378>Is EDH dying?Yes>If so, how do we fix it?Over half of WotC would need to be replaced.>Kitchen table suggestionRelying on kitchen table is exactly how it got this bad. 15 years of a banlist playing grab-ass.
>>97504443>Nogames seething
>>97504277How are any decks suffering anon? If I wanted to play 5c I would. I dont want to. None of my decks suffer for it. Zoomers need to stop talking about game design.
>>97504448More support for organized play then? Theres locals every week already. Are you thinking better prize support?
>>97504355The problem is that, given all of the perks I listed, the cards that interact with it don't need to be Urza-tier. Isochron Scepter is good. Ruby Medallion is good. Both lf those are cards that a lot of decks see play, and both have great, incidental interactions with Manamorphose. This whole idea that it existing somehow invalidates the other cards people have been posting is silly, because my point is never that it invalidates them or even breaks the game. My point is that there are so many perks that it should become an auto-include in any red OR green deck (which makes the Street Wraith and Probe comparisons better since it can be slotted in either deck), and that what it does offer enables more degenerate strategies in its colors.It isn't even that people would break it, it's that this kind of discussion, about the expansion encouraging more homogenized play, not being even brought up because "muh Beseech" or whatever, shows that people aren't really looking at what the wider format instead of just debating if their deck needs another generic tutor.
>>97504302I never responded to it. I am responding to your attitude anon. >I dont seeNot every post is inviting conversation in the same way :) its okay to be wrong, and be called out for it, its not okay to respond this way.
>>97504454>discussion has broken down, and theyre crying about seethingConvo over :)
>>97504396You tell me.
>>97504378>Is EDH dying?Are you talking about as a game to play and enjoy, or an endless revenue stream for hasbro, because those have very different answers>If so what can we do to improve the format?Kill 7 billion people>I think getting people to play in a LGS is a huge barrier. LGS's for all they do are still pretty awful places.Managerial issue that you can fix by sternly telling the string bean owners to either fix their shit or kick rocks>kitchen-tableWhat the other guy said, kitchen table magic being the "gold standard" is a cancer for any format it's suggested in
>>97504349This makes absolutely zero sense as an argument my goodness
>>97504475>I know you proved me wrong and I said some nonsense>But please explain it to meI'm having a giggle.
>>97504464Ruby Medallion making Manamorphose a ritual is not an argument. Rite of Flame does this and doesn't require you to hold its hand. Seething Song does this baseline and scales with reductions better. Every situation Manamorphose does anything is better serviced by another card and you would know this if you ever played with it. If you can copy a spell multiple times it's more reliable to just lean on separately copying a dedicated ritual and a dedicated draw spell because those cards actually do something in the event you're not able to set them up.So once again, nogames.
>>97504495No, please, back up your argument. Say exactly what you intend to state.
>>97504473Hoes mad
>>97504467for caring so deeply that some random anon got called a sperg, (You) sure don't mind all these other anons calling each other seething retard nogame faggots.Maybe you should listen to your own advice instead of lying so poorly to cover yourself.
>>97504496>rite of flame>sorcery>not a cantrip>manamorphose>instant speed>also a cantripNo games comparing things that are literally incomparable by virtue of their abilities.>bwah but they both add mana!So do lands!
>>97504505What who has to say about which argument? I'd rather imply it so you can show off your reading comprehension and rhetorical panache.
>>97504463People don't want to attend locals because the game is such a train wreck to play. Last pro tour was won by a novice playing izzet lessons because formats can be solved in hours due to how braindead card design is now and rotation occurs effectively every set so there's no time to learn a format.>Hmm yes here's a 1-drop>That benefits from having lessons in GY>and we'll give it a looting ability so you can fix your hand AND put lessons in the graveyard! Genius!Unironically the only thing that would fix it is a complete overhaul to how cards are designed. Right now the game is getting mogged by Pokemon in the casual audience (read: people that don't actually play the game) and by YGO in the autist audience (read: people that play the game way too much).
>>97504522>caring so much about!!!I care about your poor attitude once you were corrected and they are arguing about the game anon :) you are causing off topic garbage posts that have literally nothing to do with the game.
>>97504526>Best Manamorphose effect when not set up:>Storm count +1>Best Rite of Flame effect when not set up:>Double mana turn 1Hmm... not sure why I think you're nogames...
>>97504496Rite of Flame only nets you red mana, doesn't replace itself (which is the main problem with rituals), and can be a dead draw. It's the same reason why Thought Scour is better than Tome Scour. You would know this if you played games, and I'm not running either ritual you listed in a Bant deck!Again, your main argument seems to be pointing at good cards that do one of its perks.
>>97504535corrected about what? that (You) weren't the anon sperging out about a one off post? No one believes that either, by the way.But if you also care so deeply about you being called out being off topic, feel free to shut up and stop making a scene.
>>97504542Manamorphose tries to do both and in the process does neither unless you're babysitting it, at which point literally any card becomes better than it.
>>97504532>Smarmy limp-wristed response>>97504540>>Best Manamorphose effect when not set up:>>Storm count +1, two mana fixed>>Best Rite of Flame effect when not set up:>>Double mana turn 1, down a cardFixed for you
>>97504481>>97504448Whats wrong with kitchen table?
>>97504556No, it is smarmy, but you're doing a great job arguing against yourself. Doesnt really need my intervention, oh magic savant embarassing himself for two consecutive threads.
>>97504551And Tome Scour mills more than Thought Scour. Which of those two is better?
>>97504575>If I act smug, people won't notice that I don't even know what I'm trying to sayFirst day on the internet?
>>97504277Because these don't exist in the 99 and are basically impossible to play in any 99 that isn't Jodah. 4c also isn't really a thing they design for outside of really narrow thematics and they would likely not make the 2c partners today.
>>97504589You certainly dont know what I'm saying. or what you're saying. Or how magic works. I'm just along for the ride. You do you, anon who doesnt understand artifacts.
>>97504603Meant for >>97504532
>>97504579yes
>>97504579and baubles are played in murktide and manamorphose isn't. Funny how that works out.
>>97504540Thats my first reply to you anon! A cantrip and instant speed are incredibly important factors in the cards power. Also 2 mana of your choice opposed to solely 2 red mana, which opens up a lot more opportunities for it to be used ^.^ if youre gunna call people nogames you should actually have a good understanding of the game.
>>97504549>no one>appealing to some nebulous consensusThis is really embarrassing behavior anon. Corrected by being told custom cards dont go here :)
>>97504620At any point did anyone besides you say people were playing Manamorphose to enable Delve?
>>97502178Our hobby is a autism magnet. Autisagnet
>>97504620>baublesMost murktide decks will run 1 copy of mishras thats it. The fact youre saying plural betrays the fact thar you actually dont know what youre talking about. Murktide doesnt need a ritual... that isnt what the deck is about.
>>97504668That is a very recent change with cori-steel cutter changing delver to be faster with sharpshooter or whatever. It was a 4x for an eternity. At least since DRC.
>>97504647>Corrected by being told custom cards dont go heresorry, this is only a general thread about edh, that includes multiple topics in regards to the format. you shouldnt peddle false information as factual. Then again, you are still causing a scene, so you clearly don't actually care about staying on topic.
>>97504674No its not a recent change. And again, please answer, what is the purpose of Bauble in the deck and why do you think manamorphose is a good comparison here
>>97504638If that was true... then why aren't people running it in every gruul deck?
>>97501630And has refined taste.
>>97504688Because its not needed in every gruul deck? What a weird question. Do you actually think this is furthering your position?
>>97504653Oh I'm sorry I thought we were arguing that manamorphose was better than a bauble because it did all those totally useful things baubles don't.
>>97504533>oh no mtg IP is being beaten by a 90s anime phenomenon>oh no we're somehow being beaten in the autism department by a rival cardgame that doesnt even have a 4man FFA competitive sceneLol
>>97504687I'm not the guy you're talking to. I'm a guy who plays legacy. It's there for DRC.
>>97504696So manamorphose isn't actually good enough to impact the game then?
>>97504688I genuinely think that Gruul players tend to be lower-IQ.
>>97504711Speaking of Gruul, whats a good ammount of lands to run in a Gruul landfall deck? 45?
>>97504680>be wrong>act like a nigger when called out for it>continue acting like a nigger instead of just going ya my bad it doesnt belong here>oh and its your fault im acting like a nigger btwI feel bad for zoomers. Raised to worship niggers they have no choice but to act like them.
>>97504697Well, you thought wrong. I explicitly stated my point in >>97504464, and to quote a relevant part of it...>This whole idea that [Manamorphose] existing somehow invalidates the other cards people have been posting is silly, because my point is never that it invalidates them or even breaks the game.So, please, actually read posts you want to argue with instead of being a terminally-enraged faggot.
>>97504708That doesnt follow at all anon :) you have fun with your big boy arguments though!>>9750472840. Landfall doesnt actually need that much more lands than a standard deck.
>>97504729Aw, you gave up pretending so fast.It's okay esl, I'll still accept your concession.
>>97504733>>97504741Oh no... nogames is still coping!
>>97504728You don't need to focus on an exuberant amount of lands, you need to focus on effecient ramp that fetches what lands you have. 36-40 should be enough if you're running even the common shit like Three Visits.
>>97504754>Lose argument on two fronts>"C-Cope!"Imagine how much better this general would be if (you) weren't here.
>>97504767I accept your concession, nogames.
>>97504781he'll accept your concession too, esl.
>>97504751>>97504781SHUT UP! JUST SHUT UP! RED IS ALREADY THE STRONGEST COLOR IT DOESN'T NEED TO GET MANAMORPHOSE!
>>97504787>>97504781Now kiss. And keep it on lock for 24 hours. Nice thread? Nice thread.
>>97504791Muah muah mmmmmmm
Hey you guys wanna see a half-hour long sperg out? Check this>>97504754>>97504781You are an outed pedophile. Several threads ago you were shitposting about how UB is going to replace in-universe sets and you like it, you started saying part of what you like about UB is that they're putting children on cards for you to lust after, when people called you disgusting you started taunting them because it is thrilling to you to know people online for being an outed pedophileYou really hate when people bring this up because it undermines your ability to shitpost and get serious replies.
>>97504751What did I give up pretending anon? Im so confused. If you are suggest8ng that that post implies i am claiming to be the one who called you out the ESL accusation is fucking hilarious.
>>97504797Classic poopdickschizo post.
>>97504797>>97504801I accept your concession.
>>97504797Wow, your vacation was quick.
>>97504801why are you replying to me, im not that person you were replying to, youre such a schizo, lol.
>>97504797There's no way that...>>97504804>poopdickschizo...Never mind. Looks like he's clocked.
>>97504804>>97504805>>97504808Jackpot babyyyyyyyyyy.Sperg out for half an hour trying to control the narrative, it worked so well for you last time>inb4 "b-b-but my post limits how could these possibly all be me!?!?!?!"You literally mocked someone last thread for NOT using multiple devices to reply. It's 2026 this argument doesn't fly anymore. I could post from 6 different devices if I wanted to, and so could you.
>>97504797He kissed you. Be nice.
>>97504760That was my thought too, thanks
>>97504810>why are you replying to me when I replied to youTruly a question for the ages.
>>97504834its almost like its a nonsensical tactic shitposters think is clever, wouldn't you agree?
>>97504825>he has 6 devices just so he can spam 4chan threadsTruly a grim existence lmao
>>97504825Utterly mindbroken.
His next strategic play will be to report posts mentioning that time he outed himself as a pedophile, meanwhile he will constantly spam replies to try and convince people it didn't happen.
>>97504836No because you are intentionally lying (which you just admitted to) to try and make a point which literally just ruins your credibility. Youre mad you got called out and instead of being a man and taking it youve decided to act like a nigger and sperg cause you got corrected. I feel bad for your mummy
>>97504852>>97504855Oh shit boys, he got out his phone. Take cover.
>>97504852Anon this 4chan , nobody cares.>>97504862Not even the same conversation dude youre just replying to random people lmao
>>97504845No, I have 6 devices. Period. End of statement.You posted 3 times from different devices, you got called on it, and your obvious response was going to be that you couldn't possibly have posted them all because of the post limit.We both know everyone in the world has access to more than 1 computer so you got pre-emptedSeethe about it you outed pedo.
>>97504852You got a post number?I remember another thread where this dude got outed for his obsession with that gay forced meme too.
>person plays an epic spell that will make 37 snakes>copies it a 50 times>Says both the normal spell and all the copies will cast again in his upkeep>Play a board wipe that can't be countered>I then play vexing bauble.>He says won't counter anything because copies aren't cast>Tell him I don't think that's right but let it go because I don't and want to be out of the game.Was I the dumb?
>>97504569Kitchen table exists outside any rule framework or official material, so relying on it is a design crutch that eventually leads to format rot as problems go unchecked under the guise of "just ask your friends if it's okay :)"D&D had this issue too and it's so bad the game isn't profitable despite being a super recognizable IP because nobody wants to buy official material, and official material becoming unreliable meant that the DM basically had to start designing the whole fucking game himself, which is what caused massive DM burnout and the subsequent shortage despite there only needing to be 1 DM for every 4+ players.
>>97504873>he has 6 devices to spam 4chan Thats what I said. Truly a grim life.
>>97504855Nah, its not lying, I was mocking you for once again pretending you are some unrelated third party.I do like the 'no u' you keep trying to slip in as well, its pretty funny.
>>97504881GREAT SNAKE MISTAKE
>>97504873>We both know everyone in the world has access to more than 1 computer so you got pre-emptedYou don't even need that anymore. All you need is a phone with mobile internet, wifi, and two browsers (i.e. a third party one for ad blocking).Connect to wifi. Post. Hop to other browser. Post. Hell, you can take it one step further by flickering your mobile internet being enabled, hop back to the first, and post again. That's three IPs with one device.
>>97504881Im fairly certain he is correct. Casting a spell is putting it onto the stack. This avoids the casting and creates a copy on the stack.
>>97504881I forgot to add, he also said every copy he made of it when he first cast it would also be cast again on his upkeep.
>>97504897No it is lying you literally admitted that it was a lie lol. Stop being insecure anon, its okay to accept the fact multiple people were critical of you.
>>97504881Your friend is correct. Epic doesn't cast, it puts a copy directly onto the stack, and works every turn even if originating from a copy (hence why Epic specifies it doesn't copy Epic again).If Epic cast the spell, it wouldn't work because it would get blocked by its own "you can't cast spells" clause.
>>97504908There are other ways as well that I will not share.>>97504873Can I see these devices? Also some magic cards?
>This post violates a rule:>This post is off-topic
>>97504917Who exactly is being lied to when I blatantly and openly mock you? Are you so stupid you believe I was trying to deceive you?
>>97504881>>He says won't counter anything because copies aren't castthis is correct, bauble doesn't do anything
>>97504946Its ridiculous at this point how much these faggots are arguing about pointless shit
>>97504964I promised you the half hour long spergout, he can't help himself. Call me Nostradamus
>>97504949You can call it what you want anon :) it was a falsehood, which is a lie. I was honest, you were not. Accept you were called out and your behaviour was scolded.
Is there cool stuff to do with her or is it mostly just "simic land vomit"
Stickers and Ancient Tomb are getting banned on MondayPrime time, Slyvian Primodial and biorhythm unbanned, sheldon be damned
>>97504882Correct and this is why the hot takes of casuals are not to be taken seriously
I couldn't imagine playing this shit with randoms
This guy. He looks cool, I think? But he's not as cool as gruul omnanth.
>>97505005Well if you'll just admit to being too stupid to understand mockery, I'll accept your concession, again.
>>97505024Shitty custom card
This shit is why I just play Master Duel
>>97501429>TQAegar (izzet giants), they are big foodies that enjoy tattoos, beards, craft beers and foot worship, just like hipsters
>>97505041No, he's real. I like his art. But his effect is meh.
>>97505069but izzet is the least hipster color there is.
>>97505077True (although I think Dimir, Orzhov and Golgari are worse anti-hipsters, everybody loves black too much, if you ask me, also five colours posers that cannot commit to being a proper wizard with mana identity), but they are usually played as spellslinger/copy/storm shit like that. With creatures you have what... otters?
>>97505074>Real card>Ugly-ass Phyrexian mana symbol in one color because why not>Effects are two disjointed valueslops, one of them a small novel that just says "do thing, draw card, but also get even MORE value" for practically nothingStop trolling.Also, I just woke up from a nap. How are the Aether Revolt spoilers? I really like Kaladesh. I hope they don't change it too much.
>>97505114And artifacts. And sea monsters. And elementals. And the most autismal dragons. And the least autismal dragons.
>turn 4>Guy takes 11 minutes to play another land and cast a spell that makes a lander token and pass.>And it goes without saying he was playing with blue in his deckDeath to all Utrannies
>>97505120No one likes invocations or full art lands. Seems like a passing fad.But the giant angry pimple is a cool guy who doesnt afraid of anything.
>>97505114you know what, yeah, five color is absolutely the most anti-hipster, every punk ass value commander is 5c.
>>97505140I can take a long time in any colour. Even no colour at all.
>>97505146>No likes full art landsWhen you say something to unbelievably dumb.
>>97505178I thought that was the game we were playing, ancient wrong hot takes?
>>97505069Why would you play a giant deck that can't even run the best giant?
>>97501429>What is your most hipster non-partner deck?The Most Dangerous Gamer Attractions.I need to edit my attractions deck for it because i can't roll over a 3 to save my life
If they ban Rhystic Study they should also ban Smothering Tithe.
>>97505269And the one ring
>>97505235Cos its such a good commander
>>97505269Smothering Tithe is a completely different card and represents a completely different dynamic compared to Rhystic Study.
>>97505269They will never ban rhystic because that's sheldon favorite card
>>97505269And Sol Ring.
>>97505273Yes.
>>97505269
>>97502231I'm going to be mad about rustic because as a dumb teen I bought several boxes of prophecy and have something yo show for it in studies
>>97505269Nah. Ral? Maybe. Ad Naus? Unlikely. Partners? Hells yeah.
>>97505273And Sol Ring
How does Vorinclex interact with Blight and with Wither? >If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.>If an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, they put half that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead, rounded down.Who puts on the counters on the creatures for >Wither (This deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.)Me, or the opponent?
>>97505429Controller of the thing with wither
>>97505269Having the same taxing style ability do not make them similar cards in power. I'd rather draw 10 over ramp 10
>>97505011As someone who plays her, it does very much vomit lands onto the board, but it's also surprisingly aggro since once you've managed enough gates, the world is open to you and you just cast whatever since your hand is full. Since you're already doing your best to get in and hit face to accelerate your landfall, you can also do some pseudo-voltron stuff. Glaive of the Guildpact goes crazy enough that you almost don't even need to have Maze's End to win with.Wish she was in Red rather than Black, though; there's way better Gate payoffs in Red, though that would come at the cost of one fewer Gate.
>>97505429wither has been very clearly worded as "you/that player blights X," so vorinclex would anti-synergy with you making people blight.
My friends have been pissing me off lately, should I build Jon Irenicus
>>97505660Don't know who that is but yeah go for it own them epic style bro.
What the fuck is his problem?
>>97505859Land matters not fair. Landfall not fair. Honest play, one land per turn, or else! Also, totally hoarding those mana dorks and treasures, those are fairness.
>>97505859he thinks the green player dumping 15 forests out in a turn is MAD GAY
>>97505859you
I didn't know this card existed, but I'm so ready to mckillmyself with my goblin deck
>>97506025This can be better in some contexts, but Minion's Murmurs can also kill someone out of nowhere.
>>97505859>landfall is a gay-ass bitch start>Imma punch you for that
>>97506025any more of these "antitribal" cards?
>>97505859>"LANDFALL could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this LGS before. There could be LANDFALL anywhere." The cool AC felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE LANDFALL" he thought. Sweet Dreams are Made of These reverberated his headphones, making it pulsate even as the $3 Monster energy circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of cardboard. "With Zozu, you can burn players whenever you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>97506121>"Fuck off, we're full." he said to himself, out loud.
>>97506035>Minion’s Murmurs can also kill someoneNotably, it can only kill you because it isn’t targeted.
>>97506025>>97506035>1 mana difference>one is 4 times more expensive than the otherMake it make sense.
>>97506121
Got some pretty decent pulls out of my box, bros.
>>97506150>4 times as expensiveYou make it sound like its not a card still under 3 dollars.
>>97506188Nice, jelly of that Bloomtender
>>97505859He heard the words "landfall trigger" one too many times.
>>97506195I'm not calling it an expensive card I'm asking how there can possibly be such a disparity.
>>97506258Sometimes it's just as simple as one being more well known than the other
>LGS is having a "being your silliest deckboxes" contestI expect the majority of them to be 3d printed nonsense while I have gone for a 4 pack of tins of beans with my deck split across the cans
>>97506299Dis nigga playin beans!
>>97506137Mistyped, I meant the pact can kill
>>97506299I'd do what I used to do as a kid, unsleeved with a rubber band in a sock
>>97506299pringles tube
I guess 'the dark side' is that people who argue for rhystic are 'support economically conservative policy'-coded.
>>975062581 mana less while being able to be used as a kill spell against your opponent if they are tribal makes a significant difference.Even if your deck doesn't have a lot of tribal but can reliably have 4 creatures of a same type out 3 mana to draw 4 is still good.
>>97506409It's the height of hypocrisy to advocate banning sheldon's favorite card (which btw is already a GC and isnt allowed in baby b2 pods) while at the same time extoling his other opinions like color identity and rule zero
>CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER!We are playing Battlecruiser EDH, bros. Who are you picking? For me it's Teneb, the original Abzan commander.
>>97506449Oros because i still have the oversized card
>>97506449The claws of the Ur-Dragon of course. Saccing tokens for Vicious Shadows triggers is one of my favorite ways to win.
>>97506150One can target anyone for cheeky plays and was also not in as much product. The other cant, and is more expensive.>>97506442Bot post?
>>97506409>economically conservative thought is fighting for the status quo of the finance class instead of populist tax breaks for the middle classHe could have easily compared it to any other person fighting for the status quo but he chose the most milquetoast "conservatives bad" comparison possible and it barely even works.
>>97506449Darigaaz
>>97506426>while being able to be used as a kill spell against your opponentNo one in the history of the fucking game has used Pact of the Serpent to draw someone out, don't be stupid.
>>97506524>why is there a difference>here is why>autistic screechingMaybe not deck but 10+ damage against a tribal player? Easily.
"Leave EDH to me."
>>97506409>>97506507I knew that snail was a faggot.
>>97506504>muh bots!Concession acceptedPick better CCs to parrot next time
>>97506524I haven't decked someone out with it but I have definitely burned to death a few. It's a solid card against Tribal players.
I think I already know the answer to this, but I want to be sure. Can the Myrs that tap for colored mana be put into a completely colorless deck?
>>97506449Teneb without hesitation. >>97506552It's such a weak comparison that it feels like he was trying to be cool and throw red meat to the fans of the rabid faggot creators in the space.
>>97506587not yet
>>97506587No, they have mana symbols in their card text.
>>97506595Thought so, but thanks for re-confirming
>>97506524>See the words "kill spell">Thinks deck out and not 10-20+ damage
>>97506449I've pulled both Rith and Intet and I kinda wanna build both and can't decide on either
>>97506449
>>97506588>It's such a weak comparison that it feels like he was trying to be cool and throw red meat to the fans of the rabid faggot creators in the space.Yeah. Is there any based conservative MTG content creators? I heard Saffron Olive might be.Either way, his argument that it's a problem because it's still a problem so we need to ban it is retarded. That's good! People are retarded and haven't learned to pay the 1 if they can until you remove it because that player is in a good position to run away with the game. More people should play it and dominate until people learn their lesson. Don't ban it because people are idiots.
>>97506633make a version of this with 3 power
>>97506658you're taking the piss right
>>97506409Well guess he clocked me because I don't agree on banning rhystic and I am a "fascist" since I don't want to import 800k somalis into my country
>>97506658Desolator is about the only one I know of but he focuses on Standard. Your assessment on the card is kind of shit though. It being a game warping card with nearly universal play even in the format where people do pay the 1 makes it a power level discussion first. There's also the issue where the more of them you have on the table the worse the game state becomes which is one of the reasons why tournament cEDH is a nightmare. The social issue in bracket 3 can be solved by telling someone that paying the 1 is the correct choice and bullying them if they don't. When everyone knows how to play, understands the dynamics of the card, play into it correctly, but are still fucked by it and the game states of highest power level environment you know you have a bannable card. It's the Maxx C argument from Yugioh. Playing into it correctly doesn't really matter since you're fucked either way if it resolves.
is growth spiral a card you would run? or would a normal 2 mana ramp spell be better?
I will not pay the 1. Ever.
>Friend already saying he's not going to adhere to the Rhystic study ban if happens.Guess if banned cards on are the table. His argument is "well I paid for them I should be able to use them"I paid for it, I should be allowed to play it as written.
>>97506697The ones who want rhystic ban cant cope that their shitpile cant hang with b3+ and refuse to use brackets as that would give wotc a winCasuals WILL get the message eventually though, just a matter of hurting them enough
>playtesting on archidekt>t4 >decide to check my next draws rather than play it out>next 7 fucking draws are landActually taking the piss. If that happened to me in a real game I'd be completely fucked. There's no way it's physically possible right?
>>97506704It depends on the deck and the amount of draw/deliberate ramp you're already playing. If I could play it in Tannuk as an instant Explore I would.
>>97506716Weird larp to cry about banned cards in a casual game when proxies arent even real
>>97506728I want to include it in my Glarb sea creature deck
>>97506754>>97506704I like it in my decks. Maybe not optimal as it can whiff but thats life yknow.
>>97506716Id be fine with you playing this so long as you werent a little bitch and actually gave away the anted card if you lost
>>97506720it's even more possible with physical cards
>>97506697it's way more out of touch than that, literally just progressive tax brackets and social programs.
>>97506188Post cum tribute to the Oko.
>>97506720Anything is possible. It can happen, particularly if you dont shuffle your hand and graveyard into your board state before shuffling them into your deck.
A Rhystic ban would be especially retarded because it’s the Platonic ideal of a game changer. It efficiently accrues resources in a fashion that drastically alters the decisions of the other players, but does so without being an auto-win button. It’s a colored Sphere of Resistance with upside when you’re playing against morons.
>>97506449I have a foil crosis. might make a generic fun grixis deck. unrelated.>pod up at lgs with 3 dudes who are regulars>'it's a 3' despite each of them using edhrec top 50 and 3+ duals each>actually laugh out loud when the guy with smothering tithe and torpor orb calls me the threat, because I casted thorn elemental >khalia player has a full board>some 4 color partner player ends the game with a long, drawn out non-deterministic loop after birthing pod grand abolisher>each deck was just soulless edhrec staples>they try to give me advice like 'you should add roaming throne, teferi's protection, tutors, free counterspells, etc' >stax player is stealthily handing out beers they were having a blast playing but goddamn, what a weird vibe
>>97506662
>>97506703Yeah but that's the same with dozens of other cards when they resolve.
>>97506857Just decapitate bracket 4 and 5. Bans no longer apply to bracket 5. Game changers are now banned under bracket 4.
>>97503770>The shilling in this video is so fucking badWhich one? I don't want to waste my time watching random CZ vids.
>>97506885Another bot post wow what's with all the bots today
>>97503770I don't mind the hybrid change but I hate JLK and Rachel so I agree with everything you said.
>>97506857Game changers being cards that are unhealthy in casual but healthy in bracket 4 and cEDH throws Rhystic Study out of the definition since it's even less healthy in cEDH.
>>975068712U traded for the denial of 1 mana per spell cast for the rest of the game with the upside of getting draws when that tax isn't paid isn't something you can easily compare to other cards.
>>97506901They could just pay the 1, not like cedh decks are lacking in mana. Player issue. Faster ≠ more competitive necessarily
One of the women on the commader panel plays at my local and we will be grilling her tomorrow.
>>97506923>Faster ≠ more competitive necessarilyTell that to the people sitting in 4 hour tournament cEDH pods.
>>97506929anon, cannibalism is illegalbesides that the cholesterol will kill you before the brain viruses.
>>97506929Mm, delicious prions.
>>97506937Do you have a point or just saying random stuff?
>>97506939She's not that big, thankfully.Shes the one that writes for cardkingdom iirc
>>97506951The point is that Rhystic Study is creating a strictly worse environment in a format it's supposedly healthy in. "They can always pay the 1" is not even really true after Dockside was banned. Overlapping Rhystic Studies make that format a procedural nightmare.
>>97506929Be extra sexist for us, mkay?
>>97506720>Playing mono white equipment>Attack a guy strapped with pic related>Reveal 5 lands and a path to exile>Get nothing>Draw a land anyway next turnMana flood is real and it can hurt you. If you don't shuffle well it's even more likely to happen to you after a long game where all your lands are in a pile.
>>97506977you got it boss
>>97506970This has nothing to do with my post go away
>>97506995If you don't see how that's a direct refutation of your post you don't deserve to have an opinion.
>>97506970>"They can always pay the 1" is not even really true after Dockside was banned. I’m hearing an unban to game changer.
>>97506997>dont pay one>dont include any good removal for the most annoying card in your decks>dont try to play around it at all>cry about its impactNah im not seeing it sorry.
For bracket purposes, cards that discard half of someone's deck + Bruvac (if an opponent would mill x, they mill 2x instead) are considered two card combos, right? I'm building a Hope deck and I don't want it to be too strong
>>97507012You know you don't need to troll bump when we're not on page 10 right?
>>97507030>its objectively right!>ermmm youre just trollingStunning argumentation. Show me the cedh decks with Echoing Calm in them
>>97507025If you want to play it at medium power you should include either Bruvac OR half deck millers. I'd go with half deck millers since Bruvac will make people want to throw you out of a window even without the combo. You can save some cash that way too since Bruvac is expensive.
>>97506970Thanks for admitting that rhystic wasnt a problem back when dockside was still legal and a return to a much better cedh meta is needed
>>97507043I see, thank you. I actually checked, and the only game-ending one would be Bruvac + Maddening Cacophony, the other two I was looking at (Jidoor and Traumatize) are single-target only, so "technically" allowed, though I think I'll get rid of them>I'd go with half deck millers since Bruvac will make people want to throw you out of a window even without the comboI think this might happen nonetheless. I end up gravitating towards pillowfort-y control decks (and end up being succesful with them) so my table has already rule 0'd Rhystic Study, Smothering Tithe, Mystic Remora and Y'shtola as a commander lol
Threads been quiet. Did that pedo shitposter actually cop a ban?
>>97507075Realistically Dockside could be a game changer. But killing both is probably the healthier way to manage the format. Broken cards checking broken cards sounds fun but the people who always say they wish there was no banlist are never actually happy when they get their wish.
>>97507025Yes bruvac + maddening cacophony is a 2 card combo which isnt allowed in b2 but kicked cacphony is 6 mana anyways so it's fine to fire it at a b3 pod provided it's your turn 6+
>>97507093>But killing both is probably the healthier way to manage the formatBoth are dead in bracket 2 btw so you're kvetching over something that already has a solutionJust know your place anon, it's not hardyou're not owed a seat in the higher brackets with your shit list
I laughed when dockside + lotus were banned and I'll laugh again if rhystic is
>go to party week ago>lots of fun, chill, but every other conversation is a political dig>has a moment of silence for some guy that got shot>its just contemporary politics overload the entire time>get invite to a super bowl party >bad bunny custom commander cards available >’cultural victory moment’ partyI asked for a cool friend group to play magic with, and I’m trying my hardest to not let it be monkey pawd
>>97507089Uh oh poopdickschizo melty
How would you feel if I showed up to game with a 22lbs coffee mug?
>>97507141I would elbow you mid sip and snidely say 'no talkie until I've had my coffee!' as you spill brown liquid all over the table, playmats and battlefield and the entire lgs erupts in laughter
>>97507169Amusing. It looks like a normal mug, to be fair, and I am a giant. But I dont think it's particularly wise to elbow someone drinking out of a 22lbs coffee cup. Thank god for double sleeves, amirite?
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