Now that the dusk has settled were they a mistake or was it a good decision?I can see some pros:>truescale just objectively looks better>more sensible tactical doctrine>only took a few years to get techno-gothic styles back, so now you can have classic 40k or tacticool flavorsBiggest con obv:>having to buy your whole army again
>>97519014I LOVE FEMARIS AND SLOP!
>>97519014even to this day no one is making you rebuy your army >b-but muh manlets are in ledgends rule 0 ask to use them like you used to do for super heavies and named characters
>more sensible tactical doctrineSpotted that aspect warrior retard.
>more sensible tactical doctrineThis has to be a joke.
>>97519014>>97519073>>97519108Space marines are inherently retarded, worrying about tactics is pointless.
>>97519155This. Trying to make tacticool marines as their own special thing is a mistake.They could have just put out true scale marines as a range refresh and not said anything about it likewise, and people would just buy the new marine kits.Instead they made it a New Coke situation.
>>97519014>Now that the dusk has settled>the dusk>has settled
First born look like shit. Like a 5 year old drew them. Primaris are objectively better in every way.
Change in armor designs are diamond dozens, it's the cringe lore people have a problem with.
>Sensible tactical doctrineBait thread. Sage
>>97519014good business, terrible if you care about the setting of the game.
>>97520732No one gives a shit about the lore. People don't like them because they don't have the iconic space marine face.
>>97519014Changing the scale was an alright decisionThe new designs are mostly eh, though some are alrightMaking stupid lore changes to explain this instead of just treating it as a purely stylistic change that has nothing to do with anything in-universe was retarded
>>97519014They are shit. End of thread.
>>97519014They look shit.Their lore is shit.They are shit.
>>97519014I like phobos armor more than scouts.I like gravis armor and wish they made more gravis options or made some new marines like bladeguards gravis in the first place.I think tactical marines should have been mixed armor types and I don't like one special weapon squad types like Infernus or Desolation.I hate Primarchs and Epic Characters and would prefer if instead leader units had huge customization options and command squads for them like they had in the past.
The 3 man and 6 man sizes for squads, it bothers me.
>>97519014They're fine, they just make psuedogrogs mad because they're a lore element that wasn't present in Dawn of War. See pseudogrog responses to Newcrons, Custodes, Primarchs, Cawl, Ynnari, every new vehicle, the renaissance style Mechanicus units, Tau not being heavily auxilia focused, Astra Militarum...
>>97521644Okay, but what about my anger at Grey Knights being a full faction, where does that fall?
Primaris almost seemed like a good idea until the CSM updates demonstrated that they could have simply fixed the proportions all along, instead of trying to make Space Marines more like Stormcast Eternals>newcronsNothing was stopping you from having your Necron Lord be a wacky not!Skeletor before 5th edition
>>97519014I hate Primatrannies like you wouldn't believet. Beakie Marine enjoyer
>>97521687Do you still wake up in a cold sweat remembering that time they slaughtered a bunch of Sisters of Battle to anoint themselves in their blood? This is important.
>>97519014Should've just changed the proportions for newer models if that's what they wanted to do. It's not like they haven't released models that aren't compatible with older editions' models before. The in-universe shakeup was unnecessary.
>>97519014Didn't chaos basically get the same truescale height upgrade without throwing their aesthetic into the bin?
>>97519014I prefer the grill
>>97519014Primaris helmets look like shit and hovertabks look like dogshit
>>97519014I'm fine with the new armor and truescale, but I must say, I really hate the new weapons and vehicles. Just not to my taste.Lorewise I simply don't see the need, could have been a range refresh and the new armor could have simply been the newest Mk.
>>97519014I wish they had just done the army refresh without any in-lore justification because what they came up with is some of the stupidest fucking shit they've ever written.
>>97522423Correct.
>>97519014I'm not now or was an SM player.>pros:Truescale I like Phobos and their tacticool aspects. Scouts are a stupid concept.Variety of Bolter patterns.Grav tanks help separate them from the Guard. They're all still boxes. What does it matter if it floats or not.Eliminators are the sexiest SM model in existence.>either or:The helmets are a downgrade compared to beakies and frownies but I don't hate them.Idomitus update was good but I still feel like there could have been a new terminator armor pattern.>cons:Buying your army again.They could have just updated the range without much fanfare, but that's boring. Where's the drama. Primaris upgrade should have caused a schism among SM chapters, with some being branded renegades and traitors for refusing it. Ecclisarchy could have been up in arms about this 'progress', seeing Guilliman making a powerplay with his own brand new legion. More reason for Imperial infighting.Desolation Squads.Invader ATV.
>>97521644>lists a bunch of post 3rd edition garbageYeah ok
For all their faults, I do like how they started really vanilla and rolled out the fancy decorations gradually. That's how it would actually work. Also, while I prefer the old tactical/assault/devastator roles over the new crap, it is kind of interesting how they've started resembling Aspect Warriors, which makes sense with Guilliman trying to improve relations with the Eldar.
They literally got me into the tabletop game. I played DoW since the first pc demo and the oldmarines always looked like shit compared to everything else. Which I get because it was a range of models going back multiple decades.Primaris were the first models that actually could stand up to the other lines visually and just looked better in scale. Old heads will probably seethe til the end of time but it did get new players into the game which they needed because GW was on the verge of bankruptcy in the 2014-2016 time period. Like two weeks closing the doors close.
>>97520687Troon show
>>97519014It was standard rotation for minis. If it wasn't they'd have simply updated the scale and that would be that. But they didn't; they crowbarred them into the lore worse than Tau, who are already an expansion pack faction, in order to sell a whole "new" (Eldar) doctrine that just so happens to play nice with Power Level, which has now been force fed to us. The stormcast approach has led to about six units that are some variation of "sneaky guys with bolters and maybe sniper rifles" and I just can't wait to see the next one.
>>97519014Updating the marines range was a good idea financially. Shitting all over the established lore to do it, rather than just saying they're increasing the scale of marines minis to look cooler and maybe having a new mark of Power Armor invented, was a mistake. Removing the triumvirate of standard Codex marine squads (Tactical - Assault - Devastators) was a mistake. Replacing the elegance of that with budget Aspect Warriors where every marine hyper-focuses into retardedly specific battlefield roles such as "guy with knife and pistol, which is totally cool and not a massive waste of good manpower" and "flying dudes with dual plasma cannons, which is totally not ridiculous and retarded looking we swear" was a mistake.
>>97523513Nice research, DOW pseudogrog! Really makes it seem like you own minis and aren't a secondary.
>>97526055But enough about every anime.
>>97519014They're awful and look worse in every way while making even less sense.
>>97521253Agree, gravis bladeguard would be really cool.
>>97519014>were they a mistake or was it a good decision?I think Games Workshop's share price speaks for itself.
>>97519055>Rule 0 No go model for advantage elsewhere
>>97527989Your mother will die in her sleep tonight.
>>97519014I like building models. "Having to buy" is more of a "I get to do more things I like and am excited about". It erks the hell out of me that chaos and regular space marines are not the same size as one another though. Like it irks me a lot. I also would have prefered they downscale other armies rather than upscale space marines because the board size is more crowded now. If GW remade 40k in 15mm I would be so down.
>>97519014 (OP)Please divert your eyeballs towards pic-related for the objective truth regarding Primaris marines.
>>97519014Well, they got me to stop buying GW models, so pretty good.
>>97529941Inceptors are another Rogue Trader nostalgiabait design
>>97519556Yeah, truescale Marines and vehicles would have sold like hotcakes even if they technically invalidated your entire army.
Now that they have clearly decided that its best to just replicate old units and stop throwing in crazee nonsense like jetpack autocannon guys and go-karts, its pretty clear that even they know their original design direction for Primaris was dumb and they should have just been normal updates instead of New Coke
No fuck em
>>97519014They could just have upscaled the old range. Now I just buy Tortugabay instead, fuck GW and their retarded decisions and woke politics.
>>97529873Ignoring the helmet. The paintball mask inspired vents on the face replacing the soulful beaky or the classic angry face vent is a huge reason people didn't like most of the new designs. Reiver helmets got a pass because they all effectively wore chaplain helmets and were badass. Too bad the phobos armor made them all look like they were wearing capris.
>>97519155We already had tacticool marines, they are the Raven Guard and their successors like the Raptors.
>>97521777Thoughts on the plastic horus heresy beakies?
>>97531579RVTURN
I'll be honest, I miss the real Space Marines so much. The real Angels of Death. Those who were the desperate thin line on Macragge, on Armageddon, on the World Engine that wiped out the Astral Knights. Those who fought each other in the Badab sector.Forge World Chaplain Dreadnoughts and resin bits. Brothers cast in the 80s still being usable with their later plastic brethren.Tactical Squads coming with a plastic Missile Launcher and Flamer for some fucking reason lel.Now they are endless and limitless but not in a cool way. Not in a tone befitting those that came before.
>>97531642Nta but pretty good kit except the studded shoulder pad.
>>97519014It was a mistake if you like 40k, but it was a good decision if you're a stockholder looking to capitalize on Star Wars fumbling their entire bag + covid.t.Stopped following 40k but bought a ton of GW stock in 2016
>>97531579>>97531629What is it exactly about those that made them that more soulful? I wasn't even in the hobby back then, so it's not a nostalgia thing, but those old sourcebooks and photos feel cool and exciting as hell, while the new ones are mostly ok at best
>>97532112It was the peak before the collapse
>>97531734>I'll be honest, I miss the real Space Marines so muchPrimaris are still with us anon. First-aborted were never marines. they were a shadow of what they hoped to become.
Reminder, Primaris are kings.
>>97532182>>97532185Embarrassing posting
>>97532199touche
>>97531740What's wrong with the stud pad? The split? I don't like the small heads, easy to swap ofc.
>>97519014Had anyone cared if they just changed the scale without adding new lore and rules?
I miss the smal plastic Sternguard box so much bros
>>97519073>>97519108>>97519556>>97520955>>97528006But they explicitly make far more sense due to Phobos alone. Lack of light infantry was always sorely missing from marines and was downright retarded, especially given their combat style.Scouts go around with unarmored legs, arms and heads. Scouts learn to use a variety of weapons of which many were forbidden to use later, like sniper rifles most notably. And the only way for a full fledged marine to use a sniper rifle again was to remove armor and become a sergeant of scouts. Despite Imperium always being able to make lighter versions of Power Armor which don't even require Black Carapace. There was zero justification for a lack of lighter version of Power Armor and proper reconnaissance units for Marines. Lack of units like that was a massive hole in Marine roster.>>97519014>only took a few years to get techno-gothic styles backPrimaris had it instantly. Basic 8th Edition Intercessors were already gothic knights. It's the D:< armor marks like VII and VIII which do not have anything knightly or gothic going on for them and only tactictool or at best ultramarine bits on them. With helmet explicitly not being based on any knight helmet, but being a memberry to Star Wars Darth VaderPrimaris Intercessors on other hand explicitly feature a plethora of knightly and gothic bits on their sprues like jousting shields and relics
>>97532841Well first they're intentionally hampered because they are meant to earn the right to wear the armour.Second the pushing of power armour as being useful or even any good at stealth is the actual problem. It's meant to be loud and announce your presence, that then reinforces why scouts are the ones that do stealth ops.
>>97532112I think it was just a far more obtainable end result. Like I know lads that have/had that exact army (albeit painted as blood angels). I'm too retarded to articulate it, but I think the sheer variety of models available, as well as the scope of rules now has done a disservice to the overall 40k hobby. It was simply far easier when all you had to do was buy a codex, rulebook, 1-2k worth of models, and paint them. Your army would also be relevant for longer, codex release/edition cycles use to take FAR longer. Errata use to be far rarer too. Constant gluts of shit or otherwise irrelevant content kill any desire to keep up with the hobby.
>>97532199is that a jokaero marine?
>>97534989Don't say that out loud, it makes him really, really mad
>midhammerfag posting >VVGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH... RETVVVVVVVVVVRN posting over shit pictures of white dwarf advertisements >go to /grog/ >painted armies and pictures of battles with their own models from actual grogs I'm increasingly convinced that Midhammerfaggotry is just a LARP
>>97532973>The TaxmenI bet they have to take a Troop choice for every non-Troops choice.
>>97523318marine grav tanks completely fucked the tech scaling of the setting, it was an awful idea.custodies are the peak of humanity, near exclusive access to ancient grav tech in the imperium was to show they are a cut above even marineseldar and necrons having all hover vehicles was to show how much more advanced their are than the imperium even votann are still attempting to use the design language them having grav bikes is showing them still preserving lost dark age tech but not stagnatingbut none of it makes sense now because cawl just decided the imperium can make tech advancements now and everyone is okay with it for some reason
>>97529719I can make up shit too.
>>97535093But, anon, the Imperial grav vehicles are crap and just push against the ground, while all the alien ones are true anti-grav or whatever shit GW made up to justify them being shit and also existing to show Imperium's one of the cool kids too. Didn't stop them from making them Fly just like all the other skimmers. Now that they're not actually skimmers, makes you wonder what the point even was. At least the Impulsor will make a good base for an grav Rhino conversion.
>>97535054Midhammer is better described as DOWhammer. /tg/ was founded by DOW secondaries. Just like how we're spammed by TWW secondaries these days.
>>97519014Bad>truescale just objectively looks betterCould have just made a truescale update.>more sensible tactical doctrineDebateable. They made them into aspect warriors.Cons not addressed:Massively bloated an alread bloated codex.Completely undid the ongoing theme of technological scarcity within the imperium to the point where it is basically gone and an aspect of the imperium that newfags are frequently entirely unaware of.Too many initial units just looked plain goofy.Severely diminished the extreme kitbashability of marine sets.Pros:Mono loadout squads means you don't get shit like having to buy two packs of devastators to get 4 lascannons in a squad.
>>97519014>more sensible tactical doctrineYes, squads of 10 riflemen, 10 plasma gunners, 10 missile launchers, etc. is much more sensible than squads carrying a mix of weapons to make them more independent and capable of engaging multitude of targets.
>>97519014>more sensible tactical doctrineMilitary grade midwit detected
>>97529873For what it's worth, the knee armor does make a bit of sense. The joints are the most vulnerable parts. The shape could probably be better, though.
>>97535407If you want to protect the vulnerable joint, then place the flare on the side to protect the rear.
>>97534696>>97532112I think the general death of DIY terrain has also been a detriment to all GW games.Making your terrain with foam-core-board, gravel, and bits-and-bobs you found in the drawer just reinforced a very endearing atmosphere. Now all the terrain is pre-packaged grey plastic (or at least that's mostly what GW advertises, anyway) or badly 3D printed stuff. I get why: it's easier to buy terrain and plop it down on the table than it is to make it yourself, but the Sovlfvl Avra is just not the same.
>>97519014You deserve to be slowly castrated with rusty garden shears after watching your entire family be murdered in front of you. You should then be blinded, deafened, have your tongue cut out, and all your fingers amputated. A state guardian should be appointed to you to ensure you can never commit or solicit suicide and that you live in that state until the end of your natural span.After all that, you will have atoned for a small fraction of your fucking retarded worthless subhuman opinions.
>>97531725>THEN: Make your army an Apocalypse army by adding some extra big tanks and elite squads>NOW: Does your basic 1500 "power level" army include a Reaver Titan, two fighter jets, and a named special character who fluffwise runs your entire faction in the setting? No? Haha prepare to eat shit noob.Anyone who defends the absolutely stinking, rancid, ate a dodgy curry after a night out on the lash lumpy shart state of the IP and game these days is legitimately mentally disabled.
>>97535054/grog/ has been ~70% midhammer for at least the last year, faglarperkun.
>>97535847Titans and flyers aren't used competitively turbo nigger, you've never seen a modern competitive army
>>97535173are you really claiming that the Start Collecting! bundles, primaris marines, and 8th edition overall didn't increase sales? at the time people here on this board hailed Rountree as the savior of GW
>>97535852>Source: it appeared to me in a dream
>>97521777How do you feel about the Red Corsair and Space Wolf models that are mish mashes of various marks of power armor?
>>97535245>DOWhammerwhat the fuck does a video game have to do with the tabletop? actual schizo shitposting
I can deal with the gorget, I can deal with the fins, but what I hate most about primaris armor is the I just learned CAD and I'm going to extrude every plate for detail. The extruded plate under the aquila pisses me off the most.
>>97535977Yeah, a lot of modern designers seem bothered by negative/empty space on a model. They can't just let a part of a mini be plain with no details. If there is a knee-pad, they just have to put a skull on it. If there is helmet, they just have to put spikes/goggles/scratches on it. If there is a flag, they have to put raised features on it (pic related, I don't think modern GW even sells plain flags anymore). They can't just... let something be plain and flat. I would like that more in general and just paint my own details onto it myself.
>>97536022you can get a plain banner from HH command box
>>97535921It's amazing how much pseudogrog "discourse" is just them pretending not to understand what you're saying, thereby making discourse impossible.
>>97519055Try that at tournaments and game store leagues you fucking faggot
>>97536022it can provide contrast too. If most of the model is plain, it draws the eye to the fine details, but if the entire model is covered in busy details, it's impossible to focus on any one thing, and the entire design becomes noise
>>97521253Prefacing this by saying that I'm not a space marine fan so my opinion is worth little here, but I always liked the gravis models (minus the flying autocannon idiots) and never understood the hate that they got in particular
>>97519014'Truescale' was a good decision. Primaris was not.
>>97535571I really need to get into making proper terrain. We're noobs into wargaming, but so far we've been mostly playing using very shitty cardboard houses and I'm starting to get sick of it. However, living in a rather small apartment makes it a bit hard organisationally, since I don't have a proper workspace for this sort of dirty work and not much room to store the end results either. I imagine this is a major problem for many young people entering the hobby nowadays, not many of them have proper houses with garages or workshops.But hey, where there's a will, there's a way I guess. This spring and summer I'm gonna make us a proper set of terrain
>>97536153It's ok you're allowed to have trash taste anon.
>>97535899Space wolves models are ugly because they still are primaris.
>>97519014I am a grognard and I WILL dislike them till my dying breath
>>97536666Quads of truth
>>97519014The "primaris" word got aggressively phased out, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not even mentioned in the 11th edition rulebook
>>97535173>>97529719I wonder what else it correlates to....
>fakegrogs are trying to argue that Primaris aren't extremely popular lmao
>>97535890I'm claiming that you can put all sorts of things on the line and claim they're the reason the line keeps going up. The trend was already up when primaris were announced.>>97536849Man, not only did Primaris save GW, but the British economy as well...>>97536935It's the same logic that said Space Marines were the only thing making GW money and all other armies and games were being funded by Space Marine sales.
>>97537207GW's own financial statements state that Space Marine boxsets like Leviathan(with 'nids) and the recent Space Wolves box are their best selling products.
>>97537215Of all time?
>>97537234Given that the size of their market increases year on year and their edition box sets and army box sets are their best selling individual products and many sell out instantly and their physical stores have people in line to pre-order because the in store order points have priority, it's almost impossible for them to not be outselling pre-2016 products.
>>97537234>>97537388>We began the year with the formidable ‘Space Wolves’ for ‘Warhammer 40,000’ which set a new record for army box sales - a format specifically designed for hobbyists who want ‘all the new miniatures’ in a release.By their statement it's their best selling army box yeah, though some other long running box like tactical squad or intercessors might have sold more overall from being on the shelf for years
>>97537504Are they going to give us numbers showing this or are we just have to believe GW marketing hyping themselves up? Because that hasn't happened before.
>>97537539If you think GW is lying in their financial reports you're free to take them to court about it.
>>97537556>companies would never lie>that's like illegal or something
>>97537504They made enough versions of tactical squads over time I bet the number ended up being diluted.
>>97537598If you're so sure of it take them to court about it and get a big payment from them commiting fraud.
>>97537539This is almost the opposite of what happens with AoS releases. They're generally hugely overproduced and the limited production box sets stay in stock for a long time. The 3rd edition launch box notoriously is still available from some retailers at a large discount. However when it came out it was the best selling fantasy product ever, which sort of goes to show how much bigger the market is now and also that trade sales count.
>>97519014>more sensible tactical doctrineReally? If there's one thing I hate about Primaris above all others, it's the removal of the iconic Assault/Devastator/Tactical triangle.
>>97536666same
>>97537556>>97537600the most common things companies do is actually shuffle things around so it looks better for the shareholderseverything must be good, growing and perfect, the line must always go up.furthermore correlation isn't causation.8th edition was a very popular edition but i don't think it's because we introduced weaniehut marines for retards.everything in the game was smoothed over to appeal to the broadest possible audience.Revenue is a sign of popularity not quality.we have to drive this in your thick goy skull but you know MCdonalds, it's not the most profitable place because it's good or even tolerable.
>>97531629cause on this WD/book? I member reading extra rules for them in one of the ancient WDs.
>>97532112it was done out of unironic love.It's amateur, it's rough, it's not entirely corporate. it's there to celebrate the hobby, to show off people who actively made their own things.That's what Sovl means, it's genuineness and passion in a sea of corporate insincerity even if in technicality it isn't as good, there is an undefinable quality that elevates it.
>>97540891oh never mind I should have jewgled it earlier. and it were relictors whomst I meant by WD rules.
>>97519014>the dusk has settledESL-sama...Please...
>>97519055>Have to beg and scrape before every match to be allowed to use your army, opponent can literally just say 'No' and you're fucked>Can't attend tourneys at all>Lose every match because of deliberately underpowered and neglected Legends balancing
>>97537539>Are they going to give us numbers showing thisHave they ever?
>>97537632>no reply to thisCurious!
>>97535897>Source: I actually frequent the general in question unlike poofters who only use it as a paper-thin figleaf for their bashing of Warhammer When It Was Still Good as a grotesque display of loyalty to nuGW's rancid homosexual troonslopNobody puts any stock in the opinions of the kind of degenerate who would happily suck James's warty little nubbin if your corpodaddy ever deigned to notice your pathetic existence. Die.
>>97536666And my axe.
>>97541301WD used to be pretty good back in the days.
>>97542725since this is a bait bread Imma post this
>>97519014>dusk>objectively looks>objectively>looksShittybait/10
>>97519014Absolutely horrible idea. They should have simply introduced bigger marine models. That's all they had to do. You have your marines, now we made bigger models for them, upgrade as you wish. The moment they started treating them as a separate thing with separate mechanics and lore was when it all went to shit.
>>97543763Aside from the 4 pastel pink ones, all the rest are just good well painted designs.That said, I also really like the standard bearer but they should have stopped after that, adding 11 more models adds nothing to the standard bearer, them being in "Pride" colours (are they even pride? They are just brightly coloured at best.) adds little value.The standard bearer does look sick though would be a great show-off piece.
>>97545466>all the rest are just good well painted designs.Not really. Well-painted sure, but only the purple/gold/black ones look any good, and that's because the fags tried to steal football team colors just like they claimed the rainbow.
>>97537600I've read in the past that 1 in every 3 games workshop kits ever sold has been a tactical marine box. I wonder if that's still the case.
I like the idea of a new and massive founding and even the storing away of advanced technologies by cawl but I think making an entirely new type of Space Marine was a step too far.
>>97543763This project and the author calling it "Gate Crushers" is actually a really good summary of the fundamental misunderstanding about the whole muh gatekeeping issue. This sort of people claims that they are being gatekept because of their sex/gender identity or whatever, while in fact 90% of wargamers don't give a slightest fuck about that, what they don't like is them bringing it up for no reason where it just doesn't belong. Like here. Nobody is actually keeping them out, they don't want to belong, they want to make the space about their identity issues
>>97546146It was awfully retconned as well with Cawl
>>97543763WD as fun and good, that troon article is from a pretty recent one. I really liked WD around 3-4th ed 40k.
>>97546303Yes and when you push back they gaslight you that you make hobbies political.
>>97531579SOVL
>>97536090>but muh tourneysAnd tourneys are cancer, only your own fault wanting to play 40k in its most worst form possible.
>>97519014>Now that the duskGOOD MORNING SAARS
>>97532841>Lack of light infantry was always sorely missing from marines and was downright retarded, especially given their combat style.Apart from specific Chaptera, their combat style was always and explicitly "dive in with a few insanely powerful elite troops, rip the heart out of the enemy with unbreakable discipline then leave while the Guard mop up". Both fluff and the Epic tabletop game have them behaving as heavy cavalry with a lot of transports (whether Rhinos, Razorbacks and Land Raiders or Drop Pods).>Scouts go around with unarmored legs, arms and heads. Scouts learn to use a variety of weapons of which many were forbidden to use later, like sniper rifles most notably. And the only way for a full fledged marine to use a sniper rifle again was to remove armor and become a sergeant of scouts.Space Marine Scouts are less a battlefield role and more of a way to keep neophytes doing something challenging yet vaguely useful until they get their Black Carapace and are physically capable of wearing proper power armour. Power armoured Space Marines already carry long-ranged scoped weapons capable of picking off any single infantryman with one shot; they're called lascannons.
There's a shift coming for the better I feel. Pic related models look sick; leagues ahead of Primaris in their aesthetic. And GW knows it. This is what everyone wanted, just bigger SM without all the tacticool hovering vehicle aspect warrior shit.
>>97548782Those look sick.I'm still planning a Night Lords warband out of this. Gonna have that top right fella holding a knife instead of a bolter; he's throwing smoke so he can just run in there safely and start stabbing.
>>97519014i not know, just i like.
>>97548782People are really taking advantage of these new models.
>>97522388This
>>97548819
>>97548782Huh, haven't seen those before. Most of those colour schemes are pretty awful, but the models themselves are sweet, pretty much how a modern tactical squad should look like. And I love the grenade throwing miniThose were originally CSM models though, weren't they?
>>97548882>Those were originally CSM models though, weren't they?yes, These are the new models of the red corsairs.
>>97519014crap. dookie. dung pile. troon-coded, in fact
>>97531629>they are black-faced and have long dreadlocksNice. You can't have that with nu40k, it's way too sanitized now
>>97519014Did it do what it was intended to (get marine players to buy their armies again)? If so then good choice.
>>97548782I’m convinced people who pretend to like firstborn just have dogshit tastes. These are awful. Or maybe they’re British. Would explain a lot.
>>97549072You sound triggered. The paint schemes might not be the best but they're an undisputably better design.
>>97550033This design alone should signal to you how dogshit this entire squad is. It looks like hes pregnant or constipated as hell. Its disgusting. the green one is also that tacticool shit that everyone is complaining about, they're edgy but in a chuunibyou way with no fucking imagination way which is such a fucking contradiction, but I guess thats what space marines are.
>>97548863>>97548819Super cool.
>>97550557>space wolves Fucking blind as a bat.
>>97550061The mask slips - go on what are you then, reeking Hoofweeb or raging Elf bumboy poofter?
>>97521505Don't play AOS ... you probably already don't
>>97519014I have a soup army of older models and primaris I bought in the tyranid box sets and a bunch of older marine models I've acquired over the years. I like the chunky AOS models for AOS, monopose marines feel like a setback. The primaries are easy to paint and put together but their lore is retarded.
>>97551197Doesn't make any sense at all. Bahman keeps getting new gear. Primaris are just a different gear for those same Marines.
>>97551197I know this is about primaris but they actually did 90% of this with absolute batman
>>97551222and hes cool as fuck for it.
>>97551228>Batman who keks fan
>>97549072Come on lad, you can't possibly defend that Mario kart thing and floating rhino. They just artistically shit
>newfags pretending to be grogs because OLDGOODNEWBAD is a surface-level /tg/ meme
>>97551455I dont care for primaris, to me they look as shit as red corsairs.
>>97519014obvious cash grab that fucked lore and said "fuck you, pay us again" in a way a bit too blatant for some to ignore.
>>97551228Based>>97551455Both better than the old two seater landspeeder tbqh
>>97551471>grogs relentlessly and mercilessly BTFOing newfags because old IS good and new IS bad no matter how hard you fetal faggoids sob to your therapists about it*sips Monster*
>>97548782REVTURN, I will not give GW my money however they are too late and too retardedly woke.
>>97553530Correct.
>>97550061Just because a bloatmaxxer mogged you once they now live rent free in your head.
>>97553530>>grogsPremise discarded, DOWhammer pseudogrog.
>>97553630You weren't even an abortion your mum regrets not having when I started this hobby kiddo.
>>97529719Almost every company has the same line over the same periodWhat's more likely? That every publicly traded company happened to make some great decisions right before COVID or that the value of money universally took a big shit when the printers were printing?
i am still completely assblasted by primarisand i hadn't even recovered from SPIRITUAL LIEGE
>>97519014From GW's standpoint they were a success profit-wise because there were people who bought them.From a person's perspective, a person's that cares for lore and the setting, they are filthy cashgrabs whit lore that has zero sense (and whose majority of models are retarded).People wanted truescale models not having to buy their whole armies again.>sensible tactical doctrineExcuse me, but how is larping as Aspect Warriors sensible?>only took a few years to get techno-gothic styles back, so now you can have classic 40k or tacticool flavorsOnly a few are gothic. The tacticool isn't even cool and most of them are bland monopose.
>>97531629HA! I got that issue.
>>97548782>>97548819>>97548863Now THOSE are real Astartes.
>>97555420ok so look at the era before covid era policies took effect only then. Something obviously happened with 8th edition that even the ludicrous detachment rulesets of late 7th edition couldn't manifest. If you're sure it wasn't Game's Workshop's rework of their most popular and best selling faction's kits, or that the ruleset being re-tooled to make it more accessible for newcomers, or value box sets at the time, then what do you propose it was?
>>97519014I still remember the day someone on this board let slip that they thought these guys were wearing springs on their feet, fucking retard didn't realize they're shock absorbers.
>>97558640Warhammer was also becoming more popular among normies around that era, thanks to stuff like Astartes, Cavill and more people making lore youtube channels. I always wonder how different things would be if 7th was released around 2017 and primaris were released in the middle of covid.
>>97558723A spring is a shock absorber
>>97519014the scale creep in other models annoys me. I get that they wanted to move away from a relative scale to an actual scale. Before Space Marines were the same size as guardsmen and also the same size as terminators. And the vehicles were deliberately undersized, they were in scale with each other, but not the minis. There was a relative scale. If the wanted to scale Space Marines fine, but why then does everything else have to get bigger.
>>97534989Its one of ork robots aka. tinboyz.Because orks do not have any taboo against robots and the only thing stopping them from having better tech than Imperium is not enough resources and Bosses bullying Meks into working on their stuff instead of focusing on their own personal projects.
>>97532841>There was zero justification for a lack of lighter version of Power Armor and proper reconnaissance units for Marines.They are called Thunderhawks.You dont need power armored scouts since the places where aeriel recon does not work are also places where power armor will have trouble operating, like a middle of a densely forested swampy jungle.
>>97559318what other models scale creep specifically annoys you?
>>97559145I mean he thought they were for going up, not down.
>>97559504Yeah imagine the swap ass in power armour also
>>97536022This is a problem in other games as well, most notably Catalyst's redesigns in Battletech. In their case, they've mentioned that their reasoning behind greebling the shit out of everything is due to the current popularity of contrast-style paints. They can be used on flat areas if you know what you're doing (or you can just paint them the old fashioned way) but at the end of the day, a model with a lot of texture will look halfway decent with just a light prime and blocked in contrasts. I wouldn't be surprised if GW is doing it for similar reasons.That having been said, I agree with you, particularly with banners and the ease with which one can buy (or even print) whatever decals they can imagine if they can't be bothered to paint a design on. Embossed patterns on what's supposed to be a piece of fabric will never look right to me.
>>97548819It's truly incredible.
>>97532841>It's the D:< armor marks like VII and VIII which do not have anything knightly or gothic going on The D part of the D:< face is literally a face vent in the style of a Gothic Arch, also it resembles a skull. Mark 8 introduces a knightly gorget.>relicsYou got more relic options in the old box then you do the primaris ones and old kits came with more purity seals and pieces that had purity seals part of the mold.
I wish they just shoehorned the new models for Marines in, whatever I don't like them but I could live with it. New lore basically just fucked the setting though. If I even think of 40k its pre-2018 40k and everything new is dead to me
>>97519014I love Phobos and I don't care what you faggots thinks
>>97561758It's 2026 anon, you don't need to hide who you are with these convoluted implications anymore, you can just come out as trans.
>>97519014All the pros you mention could have been achieved by just updating the marine models instead of making the insane lore blunder that was the primaris marines.
>>97562979He'd be in the TOW thread if that were the case.
>>97561758The faggot is you.
