>Want to read a good space opera>/tg/ recommends Honor Harrington>Get four books in>Honor is a ridiculous mary sue who instantly masters every skill she wants, is the best at absolutely everything, and everyone who doesn't recognize how special she is either learns of his mistakes by the end of the book or is cartoonishly evil or both>Her chief character flaw is that she cares too much and won't back down from the right thing because of politics>Meanwhile all civilians are useless cowards unless they wholeheartedly support the military, and only officers and sailors REALLY understand how the universe worksUnless someone tells me this gets better, I'm quitting this series now and asking /tg/ for a better option.
>Get four books in>Honor is a ridiculous mary sueYou should've realised that within the first few chapters of OBS and dropped them if that's an issue tbfLegit, the story doesn't even get to the end of Ch.1 before it's spent too many paragraphs describing how beautiful and smart and graceful she is, while making it clear that the deputy officer's being a spiteful little seetheball who's only resentful because he's jealous of how beautiful and smart and graceful she is
>>97520218Yes, you're reading David Weber. That's what all his books are like. I'm partial to Path of the Fury.
>>97520218It doesn't get better, Weber is low-brow milporn garbage. Go read Gormenghast.
>>97520218>Unless someone tells me this gets better, I'm quitting this series nowBetter that you never started it.>and asking /tg/ for a better option.Why ask /tg? Why not ask /lit?
>>97520218>Meanwhile all civilians are useless cowards unless they wholeheartedly support the military, and only officers and sailors REALLY understand how the universe worksAll mil-scifi and most military thrillers in a nutshell
>>97522160You can't ask /lit/ about genre fiction. Or fiction in general really.
>>97520218Read Starship Troopers
>>97522334Try to run a quest here.
>>97522406Quests are against board rules now, not exactly equivalent to a userbase refusing to allow discussion of a particular topic.
>>97522160>implying he ever did, before or after he posted the same thing last time
>>97520218These are my dad's favorite books and he has read all of them multiple times. That and the Bolo series.
>>97522334Literally a majority of their top 100 annual list is always fiction dummy
>>97520218Bro, she has an alien cat and she is super duper awesome!Really though she is no more mary sue than Hornblower who she is modeled after. Which doesn't say much since he was a Marty stu. But that's the genre. And yes the Harrington books are crap.
>>97522472>BoloBe on the look out, or bolo yeung?
>>97522472>pop slopHmmm, looks good.
>>97522516But have you tried to talk about it?
>>97520218Assuming you're not trolling - a big assumption considering some of the responses so far - /lit/ has an active Sci-Fi & Fantasy general complete with a mega folder.Look for /sffg/
Weber explicitly wanted to emulate the Hornblower series of novels but he did it wrong. Hornblower wasn't a mary sue right out the gate, he was disrespected, bullied, and underestimated. He was constantly second guessing himself, making rushed decisions under pressure, and he felt guilt when things didn't go perfectly, you got to watch his character learn the job and gain confidence. Weber skips that entire arc.
>>97522915also if anyone liked Sharpe or Master and Commander, you may love the Hornblower mini series.
>>97522915Horatio Hornblower novels are amazing. I'm not even a fan of the Age of Sail, and I loved them.
>>97520218>>/tg/ recommends Honor HarringtonYou got trolled.There are websites you can go to to check. Once someone on /tg/s says a book's good you can read a review or two on another site, bring up the 1 and 2 star reviews and you'll often find credible warnings.It doesn't get better.
>>97524112>Last FleetThe RPG? Or do you mean Lost Fleet by John Hemry/Jack Campbell?I don't know if they're well written, but the premise of "everyone got way worse at war, so this guy from cryosleep can clown on everyone" put me off reading them>>97523914One exists
>>97522922I wish they'd hurry up and release the rest of the episodes on youtube.
>>97520218I normally disagree with dumb takes here, but LOL, if you think HH is Mary Sue in early books, you have seen NOTHING yet. She literally destroys multiple warfleets with converted freighter, beats master samurai in sword fight while half dead with weapon she is unfamiliar with, gets taliban like state religion CHANGED so she could start harem and marry multiple dudes, beats 2000x bigger state with far more advanced tech because muh shitty multiple stage rockets beat all (how multiple stage rocket is novel concept in 2500 year old space civilization, again?), etc, etc, it's drivel written from inferiority complex (literally, rednecks from city state ruled like Epstein Island beat notFrance and notEU because MUH CAPITALISM and the enemy powers are ridiculously backward because MUH SUCIALISM despite having 1000x bigger population, free education, huge state R&D works because shitty private multi stage rocket weapon program ran like 737 MAX design supposedly trumps all that, wooo)...
>>97520218At some point you have to realize that military science fiction is military science fiction.Also read John Ringo's books because i like them and he's an insane perso .
>>97525814>gets taliban like state religion CHANGED so she could start harem and marry multiple dudesChange the gender of the main character and you've got the average japanese light novel.>super awesome space captain gets a harem of space babes while kicking ass in space, and everyone loves himyeah, I would read it.
>reading
>>97520218So like Goku?
>>97527724That's based off of novels
>>97527841No, idiot, nothing like Goku. Goku is a Japanese character, created by a glorious samurai-souled Japanese person, and therefore anything he does is based and OK.
>>97527724To be fair you have to read that too, the audio’s in Japanese
>>97520218Quit the series now. I lasted three books before quitting. Everybody’s biting their lips all the time and yeah she’s ludicrously OP and constantly becoming even more so. My favourite huh moment was her realizing that the warp field travels faster than light and so can be used for communication. You seriously telling me nobody realized that the second the warp drive was first invented?Also fuck with the absurd napoleonic era name references. “Rob S. Pierre”? Seriously?That said the battles were fun and at least seemed to be handled with a degree of seriousness. So I can understand if you want age of sail fights in space this is the closest we’ve got. But it ain’t very good in any other regard.
>>97527841>>97527876>>Honor is a ridiculous mary sue who instantly masters every skill she wants, is the best at absolutely everything, and everyone who doesn't recognize how special she is either learns of his mistakes by the end of the book or is cartoonishly evil or both>has a harem of husbands>goku is a retard who is only good at fighting, and was defeated (and killed) several times>his stupidity made things worse several times in the series>married one woman, who wasn't even the most attractive girl in the series.hmmOh yeah, she's just like goku.
seems like I remember the starfire books being better, but it's been a while. at the least the starfire wargame is awesome in an extremely autistic sort of way
>>97520218>I'm quitting this series now and asking /tg/ for a better option.
>>97522915Eh. The second Harrington book is "planet suffers a massacre because Honor can't handle the sexism and leaves just a light cruiser behind for defense when the neighboring system is clearly angling for war."
>>97526022That's Weber's other novels.
>>97528350Which one has the main male lead get a harem of hot chicks?I'm honestly curious if western authors ever actually do harem stories like the japanese love to do.I've read some utter trash light novels and enjoyed them so I doubt any bad writing can phase me these days.
OP hasn't gotten to the funny part.Honor is a part of the genetic superhuman group angling to take over the galaxy, except her people went rogue.
>>97528324The planet didn’t suffer a massacre in book 3, and you’re thinking of book 2. It was space stations and the small remnants of Honor’s fleet plus the fundies’ own ships. And it was worse than a massacre because the fundies’ enemies, also religious fundamentalists but even worse, maltreated the female prisoners so badly that even their not-France allies (and battleship donor) were embarrassed about it, though not to the point of doing anything until forced at gunpoint.
>>97528421Got to say, reading the POW rape scene was certainly the start of the slow dawning that I was reading absolute dogshit on my part.
>>97528371Wheel of Time, though as a Japanese writing enjoyer it might not be sloppy enough for you.
>>97520218read CJ Cherryh's Alliance-Union books.Cherryh is an actually good sf writer
>>97528693true, it might bee too well written and nuanced when I just want to read mindless power/sex fantasies.And I realize that sounded like sarcasm but it wasn't.
>>97528693>>97528595Ironically I would say WoT and HH are similar on a few levels. Both start with a reasonable premise and make some effort to feel a bit realistic. Both are large series although WoT is far more sprawling whereas HH is relatively easy to jump into. But both of them devolve into tropery and one-upmanship on the parts of the heroes and villains. As I read HH and character after character bit their lip during tense scenes all I could think about was Nynaeve tugging her fucking braid.
>>97522435>Quests are against board rules nowYes, because they're off-topic.Works of literature aren't games, so fuck off to /lit/.
>>97531824>backseat janny lmao
>>97528693Lol. WoT is plenty sloppy for a nip manga enjoyer. It's pretty much a trashy isekai already.
>>97520218>>/tg/ recommends Honor HarringtonThis either didn't happen or you fell for a very obvious bait. I recommend trying Reddit next time.
>>97531824>Anon admits to not reading the rulebookWhy am I not surprised
>>97522160>Why ask /tg? Why not ask /lit?If you ever had the misfortune to accidentally click on /lit/, and then the lack of self-preservation to read what they say about things, you'd know not to suggest such things.
>>97520218What is this, 2018?
>>97532475It takes more to make an isekai than just a harem, you know. Well, I guess you wouldn't, as a "nip manga enjoyer."
>>97533256>Fish out of water character unaccustomed to the world he's in>Is the all powerful unstoppable chosen one who must defeat the dark evil>Has a harem>By the later books the combat is performed through DBZ style charged up magic attacks Nah it's isekai. The only small difference is rand is a fish out of water from a remote village not a fish out of water from the modern world
I'm gonna go ahead and say that a character being a Mary Sue isn't automatically a flaw in a work.The titular character The Count of Montecristo is undubitably sorta Gary Stu-ish.Like sex scenes, when it's all a work has to offer is when it becomes a problem. A likeable Mary Sue solving problems in interesting ways is fun to read, someone's self-insert power fantasy is cheap and boring unless it's your first novel ever.
>>97533256Lol. Rand is fully an isekai protagonist. He's utterly ignorant of the world he finds himself in, he is the "chosen one", he gets cheat powers, he gets a harem, etc...The only long standing sci-fi series I've read that is worse is the sword of truth series. Also for the record I don't like manga, just pointing out that WoT is perfectly made for nip manga enjoyers to slurp up.
>>97527855It's one of those moments where the adaptation almost entirely blows the books out of the water
Just pretend she's an anime girl
>>97532524It happened to me ten years ago but I never got pass the first book
Sounds like it's just pulpy
>>97520218Why did you remake an off-topic spam thread from 2015?https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/42099875/#42099875
>>97520218 Elizabeth Moon's Serrano books have similarities and has some pretty good descriptions for their ships, Moon being a former Marine. Maybe give that a try if you're interested in space navy stuff.
>>97520218>>Want to read a good space operaThen you should have been told Perry Rhodan. Hope you read German because they don't have many translated. Made a good board game too though very little to do with the stories except space.
>>97520218>space operaI kind of liked the Seafort Saga. He is effectively a mary stu and everyone else sucks his dick about how great he is but he recognises it is all pretty much luck and bullshit and it fucks with him.
i am once again asking all Real Ass Niggas to track down and read Poul Anderson's Technic History
>>97520263>>97520218Don't forget how she's schroedingers heroine who is constantly described by herself, the narrators and others as being unattractive, and yet is lusted after by nearly every male character in the entire franchise that meet her at some point.It's not as bad as Dejah Thoris in the Barsoom series, but that character kind of defined a LOT of these damsel tropes.If you want good space opera try Vernor Vinge. Or if you still want to give Weber another try, you could try either the Mutineers Moon series or the March Upcountry series.
>>97526022I remember reading some literary rip on Star Trek where the captain's an unapologetic pseudo-redneck drunkard, turned womanizer, who (shamelessly and very badly) sexually harasses all the female staff at every opportunity because they 'look nice in those tight fleet uniforms'.Near the end he gets gender-swapped by space tech, makes a sarcastic comment about his new state as a her, and immediately starts sexually harassing all the male staff.The overall book was utter drivel, but that bit was an actually funny subversion.
>>97536962...did he at anypoint claim that if we can hit that bullseye the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! ?
>>97533218The calendar never really advanced beyond 2016 if we're being honest.
>>97536962Do you recall the name of the book? I'm not really a fan of star trek, but the concept of a work of science fiction that is based around episodic space exploration on a single ship appeals to me.Perhaps the only part of Star Trek that appeals to me besides the basic premise for the series is that women in the first iteration of the show all wore uniforms that would make the women wearing them seem very appealing, if women in better franchises were wearing them.
>literal decade old bait /tg/ really is the easiest board to troll
>>97520218>Unless someone tells me this gets betterIt doesn't.
Legend of Galactic Heroes
>>97520218Series redeemed by Royal Manticoran Navy.
>>97520218>Four books in, dumb faggot started to notice something that is thrown into every readers face right in the first few pagesDamn mate, you're really fucking slow
You word-for-word made this thread before. It's also off topic. Get raped with a broken beer bottle.
>>97544215There's less grogs now so less people know or care about the HH books in general. >troll you're a thin skinned bitch aintcha. nvm it got this anon >>97557913
If you wanted something like Honor Harrington but like Mary-Suey, there's David Drake's Lieutenant Leary/RCN series, which instead of Hornblower in space, is Aubrey-Maturin in space.Apart from that, my usual go-tos are:The Stainless Steel Rat, by Harry HarrisonThe Gap Cycle, by Stephen R. DonaldsonThe Hooded Swan series, by Brian StablefordAdventures of Pip & Flinx Series, Alan Dean Foster Ship Who Sang series, by Anne McCaffreyNorthwest Smith, by CL MooreAnd the /co/ section:Starstruck, by Elaine LeeDreadstar, by Jim StarlinDragon's Star, by Mary Ann BramstrupDan Dare, Frank HampsonHeartbreakers, by Paul Guinan and Anina BennettValérian and Laureline, by Pierre Christin and Jean-Claude MézièresThe Incal, by Alejandro JodorowskyAirtight Garage, by MoebiusThe Dirty Pair, by Toren Smith and Adam WarrenThe Ballad of Halo Jones, by Alan Moore and by Ian GibsonI could give the movie and TV list, if I'm bored enough.
It's been plenty of years since I've read it, but I really liked The Night's Dawn Trilogy and subsequent other books in that setting by Peter F. Hamilton.It's hard sci-fi but with some added supernatural shit in, but it meshes pretty well I think. Maye be really appreciate hard-sci fi and long winded stories more since at the time I had never read anything like this before.
>>97520218>asking /tg/ for a better option.Vorkosigan Saga. Miles is also hypercompetent, but his flaws are also VERY obvious. Plus the series is a multiple Hugo and Nebula Winner. McMaster-Bujold is an excellent writer.
>>97528202>>97527841I'm pretty sure Honor knows why wives kiss their men.
>>97535503>anime girl that has a harem of mennope nope nope nopet. animefag
>>97559258Less. LESS Mary Suey.
>>97520218Are you the cunt who has a Grand Mal seizure every time someone mentions Ursula K. Le Guin?If so URSULA K LE GUIN URSULA K LE GUIN URSULA K LE GUIN I hope you bite your fucking tongue off you stupid misogynistic CUNT go read Gor you fucking cunt maybe SEE SPOT RUN with RAPE is more your speed you CUNTps CUNT
