edition>Previous Heresy:>>97513550>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:Should I get a fellblade/glaive or should I get a knight so I can make pohatu?
>>97523377Tell me something notable or unique about /Your Dudes/
>>97523377I thought the white shield was the fucking nazi axis thing that’s in those hyper hyperboria vids.
>>97523377I have no idea what a pohatu is but a knight ally is automatically more interesting than fellblade/glaive which are fat, boring, basically sit in one spot in the back doing nothing and don't even deal any damage to anything, and aren't even tanky (forcing them to stay in the back all game)A knight is automatically less boring as it actually has an incentive to try to chop tanks or units apart in melee occasionally, while still being fragile enough to need to advance tactically and time the moment of attack perfectly. Also your freeblade knight gets to choose one prime ability so there's something to play around with (-1D or self-healing/status clearing battlesmith or moving half speed while shooting stationary, etc. plenty of choices when the tank is exactly the same all the time)Also, modeling-wise you can pose the knight a dozen ways, far more interesting than "tank identical to every other superheavy tank ever sits in one spot being a rectangle"
>>97523564
Pohatu and the other toa fit the eldar more than anything imperial.
Got a fridge magnet recently. Nice and hefty, it's almost tempting to use it as an objective marker.
>>97523377There is only one acceptable answer.No collection is complete without THE marine tank.
>>97523564Half the chapter is led by a cabal of techmarines with hundreds of disposable induction fodder (even by inductii standards) that are both test subjects and walking sandbags for the various robots, tanks, and daemon engines. Other half is led by increasingly exasperated veterans who serve as clean up crew for the retards and their experiments.
Pic from my most recent game, my AL vs DG + Custodes.The thanatar here is proxy for a Galatus dread but it thought the pic was cool.Game was a 20-20 draw.Highlights included my venator beating a melta Kratos in a direct fight, my Scorpius not missing a single shot and killing 30 marines over the course of 4 turns, and DG inductii wiping a whole tac squad in one return fire.Inversion beam saturnine is also ridiculous against custodes (well, against anything really).
>>97523705sir, that's a domitar
>>97523614Oh hey it;s my guys!
>>97523720Are your dudes doing well so far?
>>97523722They're in my storage unit atm but I never got a game in with them. Definitely gonna take them out once I reorganize my room. Sorry for the let down :(
>>97523714Forgive me anon :( Here's a pic of my venator facing down the Kratos a some kind of compensation.(I still need to add some bits to it before I can actually paint it).
>>97523735...
>>97523564they might not have returned a pretty significant volume of salvaged iron hands gene seed to its rightful home after fighting alongside and watching a contingent of them be annihilated on a long-forgotten campaign off in the fringes well prior to the great kerfufflethere might have even been steps taken to ensure that no outside witnesses remained to speak of it
They should do a Webway War focused release. It'd be sick and kino.Plastic 30k DaemonsNew Custodes/Sisters of SilenceNew MechanicumCampaign supplement with rules for fighting in the Webway.Plz GW <3
>>97523564My word bearers are an old terran battlegroup turned chapter specializing in heavy assault, the solar angels, that for once actually remained loyal to lorgar and the party line. In a purge a few years before istvaan though, their leaders still got caught out for bring undecided on their stance of killing their own brethren even in the service of their new data gods, and kor phaeron and erebus both tried influencing the chapter of loyal veterans in their own way: phaeron installed a new cadre of leaders all from colchis, while erebus flooded them with new recruits eager to spy for him and keep an eye on their "wavering elders" for any hint of betrayal. So now you have a core of loyal but exhausted veterans squashed between equally zealous inductii and command elements more interested in proving their faith than battlefield effectiveness, and while all this is going on they were not among those who received the resupplies of mk4 because of the investigation into their faith, so they're mostly stuck with ancient suits of mk2 and even saturnine armor, with a rare few suits of mk4-mk6 and tartaros armor saved for the loyal sycophants of the new command group.
>>97523564My World Eaters are led by a Praetor who, by luck, managed to avoid the worst effects of the Nails. He's spent the Heresy trying (and failing) to keep his company as a mostly functional combined arms mechanized force, while being forced to accept that there's nothing he can really do to hold his command cadre together and stop the legionaries under his command from throwing themselves pointlessly into wanton bloodshed. At the siege of Terra, he fully realizes that the honour of his legion is a lost cause and commits suicide via Sigismund
>>97523377why the OP pic? not even heresy
>>97523786GW doesn't give a fuck about real female representation like SoS so let your dreams die already.
>>97523125That was just one quick example so you know what kind of weapon stats to look for. Could also take some plasma executioner predators, or laser destroyer rapiers/vindicators, leviathan with cyclonic melta lance, maybe even a unit with a bunch of multi-meltas or meltaguns, or some saturnine terminators with twin heavy disintegrators and disruption fists. There's plenty to choose from.
>>97523973One dude kept coming to these threads thinking they were Bionicle threads because of the OP pic
Are the core rules not available as a free PDF? Do I actually have to either find a PDF on the internet or buy a 57 euro book for them?
>>97524096This ain't a poorfag hobby. Read the OP if you want to find the PDFs.
>>97524149They do it for 40k, why is different here?
>>9752420540k is designed to be the entry level gateway drug. To be as easy as possible for new people, mostly children, to get drawn in and buy some models, doesn't matter if they stick around or not. It's purpose is to maximise profit.HH is still an old style tabletop wargame. The game is more complicated because it tries to cater to an immersive battle simulation, more like a classic RPG. Players are usually more experienced, older people with more disposable income that will stick around as they slowly expand their collections. Lower growth potential, but a more sustained long term revenue stream.
>>97524096They used to do digital releases that were overpriced, and then stopped doing them because people were pirating those instead. Even in another industry, Gaben is proven right.
>>97524268A big part of the reason people pirated the digital rulebooks was also due to GW releasing them in an absolutely dogshit formatted epub format. Unless you used some very specific devices with the exact supported screen ratio, opening an official GW rulebook epub resulted in a garbled unreadable mess. So people rather used the free version that some absolute chads converted into pdf format, because those were usable.
Anybody know the paint recipe and steps to getting a close enough or darker metal treads like the land raider proteus official paint job from pic related?
Has anyone successfully run daemons in zone mortalis?i seems they want to bring big guys, but the sovereign doesnt fit in half the map. and the doors
>>97523786Only if we get 30k Eldar.
>>97524662I imagine 30k xenos would be a contingency if they don't outright trash the game if it does poorly.
>>97524366just add a bit of black to make the paint darker, I did this
2x2 las rapiersyay or nay? overkill? underkill? "they're gonna get shot off"?
>>97524221what kind of children can afford gw stuff at these prices these days?
>>97523790mk6-7 with mk3 heads gives me the ick
>>97524755Cry about it.
>>97523786>Campaign supplement with rules for fighting in the Webway.I'd buy it.
>>97524662>>97524718Nah, fuck that. Play 40k 6th/7th if you want Heresy rules with xenos We need a Unification Wars expansion. Thunder Warriors, Technobarbarians and so on.
>>97524366>put black>drybrush with silver on edges
>>97524746>just add a bit of blackTo a gunmetal metallic paint in a 50/50 mix?>>97524815That’s it?Where did you learn this?I’m feeling retarded right now.
Hey I need some help lads.How are the solutionlesn’s vehicle stls accuracy wise to the original sculpts? Are they practically 100% compatible with the plastic kits of the time of their creation?I want to take the ryza pattern turret and make it a leman russ tank sponson.But I need to see the underside of that plasma turret just to be sure before I go modifying stuff when I get my pc back.
>>97524869>That’s it?Probably.>Where did you learn this?One of these old codexes, I think third ed ork one in this case, but its more just understanding the process.
>>97524767>We need a Unification Wars expansion. Thunder Warriors, Technobarbarians and so on.Those are all dead, anon. Deader than Tarvitz, even.
<comments on how the new dogshit csm model has some relation to 30k>
>>97525028Retard.Why do you think I mentioned an expansion? Obviously set it during the Unification Wars.
>>97524750GW's whole business strategy is build around parents buying something for little Timmy. At least with 40k and AoS it is.
>>97524748It's fine. Not enough to be your only anti-vehicle at a full 3k points though.
>>97525161Neat! A daemon behemoth!
>>97525161Let's just say I'm now very glad defilers are not period accurate for 30k.
>>97525161Ah yes, the Daemonic Chugganoid. Many such cases
>>97525161Honestly its pretty good for once.
>>97524767>thunder warriorsI’m legitimately tempted to buy up thunder warriors from tortuga bay and find a good scanner of models to scan and convert the models into clean stls as close to the CAD files as possible.Because tortuga could cease operations any day now and I don’t think digital backups would survive.And also so I can digitally modify the blades of their weapons to be chainswords and remove the boltgun coils in blender. Some people like them and I respect that. I just don’t like them.Would the mk2 bolters be a good replacement for the plasma coil bolters?And does anybody know of a good 3d scan to stl business that will accept minis?
>>97525180What kind of parents can afford gw prices ?
>>97525177Unification Wars is earlier than the xenocides of the Great Crusade, anon. If you add Unification, then you must tolerate Xenocide.Or are you against crusading and killing xenos?
>>97525241What do you like about it exactly? Just curious, because to me it looks like somebody just took a huge blob of greenstuff, lazily stuck random bits into it and called it a day.
>>97525438nta but at least is doesn't look like it's falling forwards all the time
>>97525161is that a fucking defiler?jesus christ
>>97525723I'm not sure "literal fat turd on legs" is an improvement...
>>97524096BETRAYALhttps://files.catbox.moe/ndkvi4.pdfMASSACREhttps://files.catbox.moe/dq2y60.pdfEXTERMINATIONhttps://files.catbox.moe/7vrcpv.pdfCONQUESThttps://files.catbox.moe/e6594d.pdfTEMPESThttps://files.catbox.moe/13sy18.pdfRETRIBUTIONhttps://files.catbox.moe/xvu3lp.pdfINFERNOhttps://files.catbox.moe/a4oz26.pdfMALEVOLENCEhttps://files.catbox.moe/p07rj7.pdfCRUSADEhttps://files.catbox.moe/0jjys1.pdf-Age of Darkness 2.0https://files.catbox.moe/83l85x.pdfLiber Astartes 2.0https://files.catbox.moe/rmkhkp.pdfLiber Hereticus 2.0https://files.catbox.moe/nanep4.pdfLiber Imperium 2.0https://files.catbox.moe/m8vcwm.pdfLiber Mechanicum 2.0https://files.catbox.moe/pgvnn6.pdf-The Siege of Cthoniahttps://files.catbox.moe/oy47n5.pdfThe Battle for Beta Garmonhttps://files.catbox.moe/gxbtoh.pdfThe Martian Civil Warhttps://files.catbox.moe/g24nbs.pdfExemplary Battles of the Age of Darkness - Volume Onehttps://files.catbox.moe/1m47l1.pdf-Legacies - Militia Armylisthttps://files.catbox.moe/rynxib.pdfLegacies - Daemons of the Ruinstorm Army Listhttps://files.catbox.moe/9c81ie.pdfLegacies - Legiones Astarteshttps://files.catbox.moe/ndfw4q.pdfLegacies - Mechanicumhttps://files.catbox.moe/6yg76b.pdfLegacies - Solar Auxiliahttps://files.catbox.moe/9ennd2.pdf-FAQ - AoD Rulebookhttps://files.catbox.moe/08emwo.pdfFAQ - Liber Astarteshttps://files.catbox.moe/351lx9.pdfFAQ - Liber Hereticushttps://files.catbox.moe/0xfn5j.pdfFAQ - Liber Imperiumhttps://files.catbox.moe/5q5500.pdfFAQ - Liber Mechanicumhttps://files.catbox.moe/p41byf.pdfFAQ - Siege of Cthoniahttps://files.catbox.moe/dkaxxu.pdfFAQ - Exemplary Battles Vol.1https://files.catbox.moe/4c37be.pdf
>>97525438It actually looks like something from metal cover.Defiler was not a particulary good looking model in the first place with very awkward proportions, this one at least makes the helmet part not stick out. Its solid. Boring but solid.
>>97525438Nta, but I think the de-blinged one is okay.
>>97525989>>97525196>>97525161what did they do to this poor garloid
>>97525161Tencent pattern defiler
>>97526007It has dicknipples that are also autocannons now.
>>97523651Knights and chaos knights are the only model line where you're putting a mask over a robotic face.
>>97525161I liked how the old defiler looked like a crab but always hated it had a head. The FW's take on the scorpion which before was just two defilers kitbashed into a bigger one went even deeper on the non-humanity and got rid of the helmet looking head and imo made it better. This looks like some dude, some marine that ate a bit too much and got a chaos mobility scooter. I guess they are trying very hard to win more of the American market over.
>>97525438It looks like a scuttling, sick, amalgamation of tech and flesh. A proper monstrosity more in line with the current demon engines. Before it was cool too but more goofy-cool. When it's sitting upright like a turret it doesn't look good but when it's posed like a rush of motion it's good. The fleshy belly there looks a bit off but it looks like there's armor for that. It's better balanced too with the body not so far forward on tiny legs
>>97525989Oi cool Warmachine bro
>>97526030Oh my god, it gets worse the more you look at it!
>>97526075>they are trying very hard to win more of the American market over.Americans...like Crabtaurs with gun-nipples?
>>97526160Who doesn't?
>>97525438Defilers have always looked bad, plus they're traditionally fucking hugethey added arms to what were previously the thalidomide arm stumps that made it look weird, and I guess it's probably more in line with the Wardog armigers etc that are about the same size>>97525161some of the heads might be nice to add to an Armiger? or a big robot? maybe? crab claws might be a passable alternative to Leviathan siege claws? could kitbash it with a Levi body, those twin-las arms and some stumpy lil legs to make a Leviathan-Cortus counts-as las-Mortis boxnaut? if you were into kitbashingdunno, need to look at some of those curved plates on/off the sprue, see if you could use them for anything else, depends how big it is compared to the existing model
>>97525931do u have 3.0 in this quality? the links in the tq are kind of garbo
>>97526227We don't have good scans for 3.0 and won't get them until a new Scanon rises to deliver us.
>>97526227no lolgw doesn't appear to be doing digital editions this time around because they're shitheads
>>97523574The symbol you're thinking of is the black sun.
>>97525251(You)
>>97525161utterly ruined by having nipple guns and dick gun in addition to the arm guns. As someone said it looks like a blob of greenstuff with random bits stuffed into every millimeter at random, 0/10.
I'm finaly getting decals delivered today so I need some advice for this big fella.Should I just put a Hydra on the blue panel then weather and clean up? Or should it be various smaller symbols like the ones on imperial vehicle or mechanicum decal sheets.Mix of both?
>>97525161honestly only problem is the big fleshy weak point for massive damage doesn't make sense, you need to have an armor plate the player knocks off with heavy weapons first unironically though it looks like it was designed for space marine 2 first and then ported as a miniature
>>97526452big hydra for sure fuggid
>>97525196I reckon some of these faceplates can be used to give the generic Dreadnoughts some flavour?
>>97526551Those will be much too big. Those will be better for a knight, probably.
>>97525438nta but I think it's a good update of the old style into the more modern chaos style. It also mixes the right amount of intimidating and slightly derpy for a Daemon engine.My main note is I would have preferred if it was fully mechanical or there was less flesh.
>>97526452Smaller detailing like the silver chainlinks they have to break up all that blue, as trim around the edges of the bigger panels.Multiple smaller details, atleast one for each armor area like groin, leg and the smaller plate beside his head, and maybe something bigger and fancier on the large shoulder area, also clean up the blue there.
>>97526551Looks like they're halfway between saturnine sized and knight sized, will be entirely unusable on contemptor/leviathan/deredeo.
>>97525242>Blanche: draws a spare marine captain>fans: "That's a thunder warrior!"
>>97526489>>97526824Thanks for the advice anons, will clean up the blue as it got fucked up while I was working on the metal half. I completely forgot the chain detailing on the sheet, that's a great idea! Thank you anons.
Back into the building phase for my word bearers, knocked out my last 10 ashen circle between last night and morning meetings
>>97526895oh sugoi, i think i recognize some of the stls, very cooli intend to use an ashen circle team as an excuse to do up some proonted classic raptor looking motherfuckers though. thorough cybernetic rebuild across the squad and fallen as fuck
>>97525161It's very overdetailed, yet they manage to make all the details look clunky because the proportions on everything look over dimensioned the way an edgy action figure toy for seven year old boys look, it's all way too angular and chunky, it has all the pitfalls of modern marvel-esque comic book design philosophy. Looks so fucking derpy in a "try hard cool" kind of way.As >>97526422 said it looks like someone took a ball of greenstuff and just rolled it around in a box of bits.The guns and weapons are the worst offenders in that regard, there's just way too many of them.But maybe It has a lot to do with the paint job, because this >>97525989 does not look nearly as bad, even though I still don't like it.
>>97525161>>97525989Chest cannon could maybe have worked if it was more demonic, like a demon dragon or regular demon face, just having a normal cannon stick out like that looks retarded.
>>97525251If they made xenocides shit youd see a specialist games studio xenos faction and it would be the blandest shit you've ever seen.
>>97526966that one is just painted and angled to try to make the nipples invisible pointing directly at the camer, which it won't be on the table. The model is shit, not the paintjob.
>>97523574>Ko-Matoran supremacy, gas the piraka, total shadow matoran death, mask war now
>>97525989other than the busyness, this model looks ccompletelyl shit because they didnt know how to make organic and machine go together."look I'm a big skaven full of meat"doesn't work because chest cannon somehow moving around 500 lb artillery shells inside his chest, and the 6 smokestacks make it look like they want his chest to be an engine-room instead, but they're nowhere near the legs and no reason it needs an engine.The non-shit design would've been to have the steam stacks and engine room on the actual locomotion parts instead of the chest (oh look, GW has already done that before, their designers are literally regressing backwards into shittier and shittier sculpts)
>>97525989The controversial part is the meaty bits. I dont really like the mest on a lot of deamon engines, but i think on something this big it has enough meat that you can actually paint it to look meaty fairly easily so id definitely prefer to paint that rather than the random bits of flesh on the forgefiend. I think its definitely a better looking model overall than the old one, but theres definitely something odd about the shape of the thing overall.
PLEASE I NEED HELP I DONT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF HOW TO PAINT MY IRONHANDS, I LOVE/HATE THE OIL ARMOR FINISH AND IT IS A BITCH TO PAINT IT. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
>>97527126Lord of Skulls needs more meat, otherwise I can't fap to it.
>>97527159the only thing bad on the old one was the helmet was silly. Just put a sensor cluster on top of the tank and the actual defiler is 100x better than this hot mess of skaven dogshit GW just created
>>97527183Black paint
Ah fuck, a new thread.How many regular marine bodies, roughly, do I need for a 3k army? I know it varies, but I only got 30 so far, which is not enough, but how many more should I aim for?
>>97525192I got some lascannons on some land raiders, enough to make up the difference?
>>97527277No. Lascannons need to be stationary to be even remotely adequate anti-vehicle, and a stationary land raider is not doing its job - delivering its deadly cargo into enemy lines to fuck shit up.
>>97527250Depends on what you want to build.40-60 is the minimum (about 1,000 points total). 2 to 4 squads of Line units, 10-20 specialist units like terminators or vets. After that you need a few tanks, transports, and a dreadnought or 2. Or you can split the difference and use Land Raiders.If you want to go for a more infantry heavy army (Stormwing DA or Raven Guard post Isstvan) you will need 100+ models.
>>97527365Thanks, I got most of that except vehicles. Any recommendations?
>>97525989>too big to be decimator>too small to be kytan>might be right size for a brass scorpion but can it approximate weapons?
>>97527505That is nowhere near large enough to be a brass scorpion.
>>97527505Brother a brass scorpion is nearly as tall and way longer than a kytan tfym.
>>97527505have you never seen a brass scorpion in your life?It's 100% wider and 100% taller than the skavendefiler.You literally could not make a worse choice for a proxy.
photo with both. No chance. There's nothing that'd proxy as the nufiler. It has too many guns to be used as a decimator or dreadnought, but it's too small to be a knight despite having that sort of stupid 5-gun loadout.
>>97527505The FW brass scorpion is a superheavy and it doesn't look like shit. It's like proxing a reaver using the pr*maris cowboy dread.
>>97527350>2.0 Lascannons too good>3.0 Lascannons too weakIt's as if there was one edition where imbalance was on a few outliers, instead of the core mechanics
>>97527498A couple:Kratos battle tank with either battle cannon with flashburn or a melta blast gun. Add pintel mounted lascannons too. The Kratos has the Stable rule so it always counts as having not moved for the purpose of firing heavy weapons.Spartan to deliver your infantry and plink away at tanks. Depending on your army build you may not need it (eg if you use jump pack infantry)Predator tanks to fill any gaps in your army.Arquitor for indirect fire. The only thing better than nuking your enemy is them not being able to shoot back. Just watch out for the scatter and don't forget a siege breaker consul if you want to bring the good guns.Fellblade. S8 AP3 Blast 7" threatens everything short of heavy tanks. For heavies it fires one S12 AP2 D3 Blast 3". Also has lascannons and always counts as stationary because it's superheavy.Whatever else you like. They are /yourdudes/ after all.
do we know lIterally anything at all about next scouring book?
>>97525180Anon not even lego bothers advertising to parents buying something for little timmy. Everything atp is geared towards either boomers or millenials. James knows that theres an endless horde of secondaries willing to buy 4-5 boxes and stop, or paypiggies that dump thousands on #27 Primaris Lieutenant or Calgar model
>>97527659Yes, the core mechanics of 2.0 were absolutely fucked beyond repair. The whole reactions rules section of that edition alone was a disaster, with units shooting more and better in the opponent's turn rather than their own. 3.0 has a very solid foundation, it only needs some minor weapon tweaks here and there and more mission variation. Even lascannons are still solid, they just don't synergise with land raiders that need to be moving around.
>>97527681ignore any 'advice' from this tard, he got every single one wrong.Flashburn is a joke. Predator tanks are a joke in 3rd except for conversion beamer. They're the exact opposite of fill-in-what-youre-missing. Arquitor is just average, no specific reason to recommend it - also only in shitty resin. Fellblades are absolute garbage, S12 Dmg3 does nothing more than lightly scratch tanks (a baby tank has 5w, a medium more like 7, and heavies 10-18, so a small chance to rarely inflict 3 on them is nothing for 650+ points.This retard might as well have told you "just take some tanks or dreadnoughts and throw any random weapon on them" that's how worthless his message was.
>>97527659>2.0 Lascannons too good*2.0 vehicles too weak you mean.
>>97527743>Fellblade 3 Dmg>Accuses other anon of being wrongMy sides are in fucking orbit right now.
>>97527701They don't have to advertise to parents, toy companies never did. All you gotta do is advertise to kids, and they will pester their parents until mommy or daddy buys them what they want.
>>97527743Then use a Kratos with a Melta Blast Gun. Good gravy, calm down.
We got drop pods, deathwing pods, dreadnought pods and palisade pods (in LIgma). Any chance they might stick new pod designs into the plastic drop pod or into a future plastic dreadnought pod?
Hahahah from Rogue Trader about dreadnoughts. Answers last threads question on if dreadnoughts are mechs or not. Also answers how the fuck saturnine terminators can have ball joints and still use the suit without being limbless.
>>97527942This actually fits with the latest saturnine terminator armour lore, it specifies that it needs a neural uplink connection (the spinal link) in addition to the black carapace.
>>97527984In RT SM were not the only ones with dreadnoughts. The marine's black carapace probably doubled as the spinal link for them.
>>97528074>>97527984>>97527942Its worth noting that the a lot of RT stuff has been retconned so take it with a grain of salt.Remember RT space marines were also just dudes in power armor.
>>97528074Hopefully we'll get dreadnoughts for human troops in HH some day, would be cool.
>>97527505It's a malevolent artifice ruinstorm daemon behemoth.
>>97528074Neither are they in hh fluff.
>>97528088>RT space marines were also just dudes in power armor.You made me put up the sign.
>>97528097I mean that's basically what the egg sentinels are at this point
>>97528088Pic related gave me a reasonable chuckle as I went past itbut as >>97528214 posted SM's are very much not just regular dudes.
>>97528097Maybe less dreadnought more walker-ish. Pic related is a walker from RT. Would be cool to have as a militia unit, just a repurposed industrial walker with hazard markings and bolted on steel plates sent to the front. But technically ogrnys fill the niche so we probably wont get walkers. Could work as ogrny proxys though
Never realized this bit was the Emperor visiting His laboratories on Earth developing the gene-seeds.
>>97528097FW left the door open, but at the same time couldn't let SA use Rhinos or any other flying transport except armed civilian transports. James sure as shit isn't going to allow humans to use marine units. Besides, Army already got two sentinels. How many more could they ask for. Now, buy the 37th SM dreadnought we just pulled out of our ass.
What would you rather see: Warhammer: Unification Wars or Warhammer: The Scouring?
>>97528412Scouring. Then we can have all the 40k reject units and MkVII. I don't want James to even look in the direction of the Unification Wars. They'll just fuck it up some more and we'll have Space Marines fighting from the very beginning with young primarchs leading them and shit like that.
>>97527722The pendulum swung so hard and weapons that could kill a Land Raider on a good hit now need a stationary squad to kill even a Rhino this time around.2.0 vehicles weren't all that frail; it was Lascannon's fault being too strong too cheap, and the solution of just making them more expensive was silly; they were so strong even a Siege Breaker had nothing to offer them.3.0's approach was an unnecessary double nerf:Where vehicles were allegedly too frail, 3.0 both strenghtened them *and* also weakened Lascannons and Meltas.A 5-man Las HSS struggles to kill a mere Rhino (4.44 Dmg vs 5 HP), and full 10 are unable to kill it if they moved.3.0 developed the BS chart to affect snapfire. That was great! ...then they make Heavy weapons no longer snapfire when they move? Why not! And then many HW magically do extra damage or fire extra hard if they stand still. Awful abstraction.Having lascannons always do 2D but be forced to snapfire if they move was right there! Mathematically identical, too, seeing how moving would effectively divide hits by 2 instead of damage by 2>>97527749I did play with Lascannons without Sunder. S9 fails to pen AV12 half of the time it does hit. It's actually really nice.All the problem was that one lucky Lasc shot could blow up a mint-condition Land Raider, and all they had to do was to make Explodes cause extra HP loss instead of deleting the vehicle.Nope! Gotta change the entire system and make Meltas useless in the process
>>97527942That actually makes sense. Amazing this here is the most accurate one.I wonder about the sort of damage it causes for a healthy dreadpilot to step off the vehicle. Many other vehicles do use Mind-Impulse units, like Thunderhawks: pilots can feel the wind on their hulls like it was on their own skin.
>>97528344>at the same time couldn't let SA use Rhinos or any other flying transport except armed civilian transports.>1.0 Survivors of the Dark Age can use RhinosBooooo>James sure as shit isn't going to allow humans to use marine units.>Sororitas can use Razorbacks and PredatorsBooo!!>And Penitent Engines and Paragon Suits use MI unitsBOOO!!
It'll go on a proper 40mm when I get one.Gotta figure out how to fuck with the gatling cannon now
>>97528591i love your tinyknight and its enormous titgun
>>97528591>>97528607>Big tit gunMust be cold out there.
>>97528542>1.0 Survivors of the Dark Age can use RhinosThey're not SA and relegated the Legencies.>Sororitas can use Razorbacks and PredatorsImmolators and Castigator are separate things and their units exist mainly due to legacy status. If Admech had a codex army back in 2e that used, say, IG equipment, maybe they could today as well.>And Penitent Engines and Paragon Suits use MI unitsYet they're not dreadnoughts.
A Horus Heresy small game mode, around the scale of Combat Patrol, but with balance and objective mechanics as good as Spearhead would equal mega profit but GW will never do it.
>>97528664isnt that just zone mortalis
>>97528681Not in the slightest. And you know that.
>>97528690anon thats literally what ZM is. The problem is, to many people are retarded and have this locked in idea that ZM is narrow coridors only and fighting inside a space ship or bunker. No. They litearlly tell you this in the rules, and description that ZM is where the fighting is the thickets and most brutal. You could do a ZM map that is a large fountain courtyard with ruins in the middle and buildings along the edges and that would be a fine ZM map.
>>97525161wow it looks so bad, completely pointless rehash the old one moggs.
>>97527818Just say no.
>>97527505Kitbash it into the AI DA murder bots
>>97528645I accept and am satisfied with Aethon heavy sentinels as dreadnought-equivalents, and Auroxen are similar enough to Rhinos.Yet I insist that SA could, and should, have access to Valkyries, Vendettas and Vulture air support instead of civilian-class aircraft. And there's another anon who talks about them having Dreadclaw assault boats, so, maybe?
>>97525196What edition did the Defiler drop?
>>97528645Those are some impressive purity seals
>>97528849>SA could, and should, have access to ValkyriesLegions too.
>>975288813e. Pretty sure it was with the Eye of Terror campaign. Abaddon commissioned the Dark Mechanicum to make him some siege engines to breach Cadian defences.
>>97528829Fucking how? Once you remove all the fleshy parts there's almost nothing left.
Okay, really don't know what to do with the last one then
>>97529061Something like the old Epic Wardens.
>>97528664Sorry no one wants a poorfag HH.
>>97528664Please no, we already got too many normies and tourists infesting HH with all the plastic models released since 2.0
>>97528784I want to do a network of mining tunnels for my ZM board
seekers must be good in ZM right?BS5, always gonna be in range, status effects on the guns if need be (most importantly, panic 1), 105pts for 5 and they have infiltrate 9
>>97529190They die to the first fart in their general direction. Infiltrating forward generally means you'll get charged sooner. They're 1 wound 3+ models at the end of the day.
>>97529211while true, its ZM so they can hide out of LoS easily
embedded traitor word bearer spiritual liaison to an element of another legion so enmeshed and enamored with his flock that he just counts as one of them for the sake of legionies astartes (X) trait y/n ?
>>97529333>WB has trait that makes him love his "flock">somehow means he also has the trait of themLorewise no, but would I stop you in a game? no if model-wise he wasnt a word bearer
>>97529308If they are out of LOS what are they shooting at?I get you, but we both know what the other anon meant by that. Honestly it's so much harder to take apothecaries, and they aren't as good, but I put my one with a seeker squad in a UM list I have. They aren't a big enough threat to pour a lot of firepower into, but they are enough of a threat to pour some into.
>>97523377How has this game shaken out since the edition started on such a bad foot?
>>97529694there's no 'also' about it, it'd come down to a bearer model just having the LA entailments of another legion and looking different while appended to the force and being a part of it for all intents and purposesperhaps a portion of his plate would bear the insignia of his adopted legion
>No titanicus this weekAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANONONONONONONONO
>>97523564>notable or uniqueThey're all DEAD
>>97523564Post Istvaan massacre Iron hands that has no basic gun pigs left only some half crippled commanders so they rely on cyborg inductii, thallax and robots to fill the line. Eveything is expendable including morals.
>>97523564Their commander is black.But not African nor a Salamander.
How do you guys manage <your dudes> in this setting? My TS were just an ad-hoc group scrounged together during the burning of Prospero. I had to go blackshield to really my own story.
>>97529700with basic reactions you can get out of LOS easily in ZM. the movement one is an easily abused trick but heads up if you play your opponent on the reg they will get wise to it and just stand and shoot you instead of moving allowing you to react. That said for 100 points you now have a really good blocking unit that will slow your opponent on a flank and potentially supress them as well. For their cost and potential untility seekers are such a A+ in 3.0 ZM or not. I run 2x 5 man units with combi meltas in my WS army so I can sneak up and pop anyting thats not AV14 first turn, been great so far.
>>97530106That is neither notable nor unique
>>97530306
>>97528784>Spearhead/Combat Patrol>Pre-set objectives >Pre-built armies>Custom armies with tailored abilities and unique rulesYep, that's Zone Mortalis.Have a (You) and fuck right off.
>>97528681zone mortalis sucks. Missions bad, balance bad, unit variety is bad (not allowed to have more than 9" move without taking a step killing your own model, goodbye bikers or jetpacks), requires very limiting terrain. It's never had the slightest real popularity, the GW 'small scale' games are mostly rubbish that they release in bare minimum zombie form so they can tell house wives "buy your son this $140 box and they could play a small game without needing extra stuff"
>>97530639I actually really liked the initial form of 40k boarding actions. In 9th where everything was lethal, having no vehicles and msu limitations really helped the gameplay. The terrain was fun, and games went by way faster. Then 10th hit and immediately fucked over that game mode with its shitty customization options.Playing a small form game of HH using the original boarding actions terrain set actually sounds like it could be fun. Big potential for close quarters combat.
>>97527075Why wouldn’t you see the normal stuff like orks and eldar? I get where you’re coming from given that votann exist, but we already have existing xenos factions to make use of.
>>97523564>Skyrar's Dark Wolves>Thegn Wulfgar 3205>was a boy when he saw the Emperor himself and his thunder warriors conquer his area. Joined as a child solder and was selected for Space Wolves. The number as a last name comes from his induction number. Served as a Chapter Master of a Pioneer group. Scared of Horus and later Russ, dislike Primarchs on a primal level, they are human or anything like it. Post Prospero goes follows the SoH out to the Western Fringe. Disgusted by Russ and his tantrum turning Prospero into what it was. Disappointed in Horus burning the dream for his ego. Tossed in his lot with Skyrar. Just content to go viking with the lads, kill, loot and drink.
>>97530781Basically>'ate the Primarchs they ain't human>'ate humans theyre weak not like Astartes>'ate 'orus he's an oath breaker>'ate the 'Empurah he abandoned his warriors>luv me ale>luv looting>luv raidingSimple as
>>97528664Only if there's extra combo boxes that might have a slight bias towards a given style.
>>97530837Are there even enough plastic infantry kits for that? I could see maybe a fast attack box of an assault squad and jetbikes, but there’s not much to go around thematically unless they wanna start putting plastic tanks in every box.
>>97530850While upgrades could be intermixed, I guess it would really just be a different dreadnought and/or vehicle mostly. The current legion one has:>20x beakies>Heavy Bolter/Missile Launcher upgrade>Deimos Rhino>Leviathan Dreadnought>Ranged weapons for said dreadnoughtWe've got three nu-marks, two of them with jump packs, four dreadnought patterns with all their varying weapon frames, two terminator patterns in the 'current' scale with one split, a bunch of marine upgrades, and for vehicles not so big - two boxes for Predators at least? It would really just amount to different permutations, but tactical marines are designed to be the backbone for infantry, so you could definitely get some variation going on, just nothing too crazy. I think we need more fast attack options in plastic to come up with more fun combinations than just skew boxes. And if one really wants to ape Combat Patrol - more goddamn plastic characters.
>>97528951Interesting, I'll have to see if I can find the pdf of the campaign.
>>97530781>>97530799Trve wolves, not lapdogs
>I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME, IT IS A GOOD PAIN
If I decide to build my army as a shattered legion, I can't use right the rules of the legion specific units , at least I think that is how it works. But can I use the legion models ? Like lets say my army is a mix of EC/Salamanders/Fists can I use the IF pretor in cataphract army as a regular "shattered" pretor/centurion?
>>97531178You can use any models you like, as long as you're clear about which units they represent. You could even use EC palantine blades as tactical marines for example, as long as they're holding a bolter.
>>97531301Okey thank you. I am only starting and not know nothing about the game, only a bit about the setting. Setting sounds very cool from the three books I read. I just want to get to 3000pts of painted models, so I can play with other people at the warhamer store.
>>97523377Ideal loadout for Saturnine termies? I got gifted a box for my Sallies by a mate. Was just thinking fist and disintegrator.
>>97531336Depends on what you want them to do. Disintegrator and fist if you want them to kill terminators and light vehicles.Plasma bombard and fist if you want them to kill MEQ and still move around or deep strike.Double plasma if you want them to camp out in the middle of the board.Thrown in two or three particle shredders if they're gonna deep-strike with a praetor. Dropping in next to a tactical squad on an objective and deleting them is quite useful.
>>97531301My first 5 models, a scout group of marines. In my mind my force was an assigned "honor guard" style garnison on planet seen as important enough to have one, but not important enough for a single legion to want to claim it. they keep check of those spider creatures that evolved super fast, And when the Heresy hits the fan the mostly docile monsters go full crazy and the Honor Guard has to evac. Their ship gets bashed in the warp and when they exit, they find out that there is a civil war going on . And as with "honor guards" the dudes making up the force were not the most important/liked in their legions, so now they just want to not get killed.I am trying to learn how to paint the legion animal marks, but it is very hard and it is one thing to try to learn to make it on paper and on a round shoulder pad.
>>97530781god I love that they gave an origin for skyrars dark wolves
>>97528784>You could do a ZM map that is a large fountain courtyard with ruins in the middle and buildings along the edges and that would be a fine ZM map.I am getting Stalingrad flashbacks
Alright, I'm going to proceed with my Leviathan Mhara Gal idea. Any suggestions on tools to get for carving Colchisian symbols into the armour plating? I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>>97531365why is the purple dude so off base?
>>97531477>Chaos not even once
>>97531564It's an EC he's edging.
>>97531378The FW black books are gifts keeping on giving.
>>97531588Sight :/
>>97531178>>97531301Actually you can include (essentially) one legion unit along with your characters, bringing them along from their parent legion
>>97531477Throwing in my 2cents hereScribing tools used for GunplaVery popular in thay community for panel lining for that added detail and used with, whatever brand of modeling tape, they use to be able to trace alongside with to make the straightest of lines over the smoothest of surfaces. You'll have to figure out a way to make those perfect circles yourself because I have no clue and looks like that'll be a pain in the ass to get right. I would imagine the tape method be precut those circles with your hobby knife and then place on the model
>>97528664>Zone Mortalis>Strike Forces>fanrules like Centurion ModeHeresy has always had smaller game modes, both you and GW are just too caught up in your endless quest to suck as many socks as possible to have noticed.
>>97531477Tbh just save yourself headaches and sculpt them on greenstuff.
>When not at war, the Salamanders prefer to live among the people of Nocturne and Prometheus, and usually serve as the leaders of a Nocturnean settlement"When not at war"? Then redeploy and get to an actual war. It's not like there's scarcity of war
>>97532038Some salamanders could be not at war because they're recovering from severe injuries, on a recruitment or resupply run, etc. It's not like marines are always fighting all the time 24/7 non-stop.
>>97532038>chapter of blacks>lazyWhat did GW mean by this?
>>97532159>watermelon color scheme>their fav weapon can be used to fry chickenYou know you are unto something
>>97532159>>97532173>forgets about the legion of actual criminal thugs with a chronic problem with authority and cults of personality, a green red and black color scheme, and literally WE WUZ KANGS
>>97532173Watermelon knights you say?its meant to be marble.
>Finally got my printer back from my exScanning isn't as straightforward as I thought. Really need to cut the pages to get good results, not sure if destroying my books is worth it...
You don't need a hq for an allied detachment in 3.0?
>>97532845You do notTake those 100-man militia levy squads with warrior elite for the aux vexilia and make life annoying for your opponent
Got board
>>97532896What's wrong with his arm?
>>97532955Skipped the gym
>>97532472Hence why scanning is a lost art
>>97533061Guess he's a lefty
>>97532955Diet.
>>97532085>It's not like marines are always fighting all the time 24/7 non-stop.All marines were indeed in expeditionary fleets, which only returned to imperial space to resupply. When not fighting or wounded from a previous fight, marines would train for the next fight. Fight fight fight.Painting is for blood angels who need to occupy their minds with something, else they go "Blood blood blood".
someone will crucify me for this, but i'm not letting my death company bolters go to waste
>>97532472It's a bit too dark still. How come your ex got your scanner? Maybe don't destroy your books, anon u.u
>>97533213>1.) Bolter looking like the existed during the Great Crusade and can be found in the black books>2.) Blood drops and skulls were always heavily used in Blood Angels IconographyPeople have no reason to bitch about it.
>>97533219She needed a printer for her study at the time, and I was being a helpful supporting partner.My liber hereticus already has its bindings coming apart, so maybe I'll try tune in the settings with that and see how it goes from there.
>>97533274>partnerSo that's why it ended, you were a gay cowboy all along
>>97532472minolta make a special scanner for that, it's only five grand or something
>>97533213The mk7 legs are much much worse.
>>97533373Well I do play Dark Angels... But her becoming legit schizophrenic and refusing to get treatment, and also constantly attacking me didn't help either.
>go to an event>nobody comments on my hobby work>every game begins with going over army lists and unit stats/rules (not cool hobby features of units)>opponents only interested in stomping meat least in 1.0 my opponents would have put hobby work into their 9 S9 AP2 pieplates before utterly annihilating my army
>>97533445HH has become too popular since 2.0 launched. Too many normies and 40k refugees infesting our hobby now.
>>97533420You forgot to turn off the gaslight x.x
>>97533445What is a cool hobby features of units? Like looking admiring the cool minis paint and bitz?
>>97533445>go to an event>everyone just talks about conversions and kitbashes and paintjobs>games never start because everyone's too busy ogling each others armies>opponents only interested in elaborating on the lore of their guys
I'm tired of doing armys boss, i just want to do one model at a time
>>97533384oh that's only the beginning of using mk7 bits...
>>97533650it's as simple as only working on one miniature at a time maybe there can be an auxiliary pipeline in the background for battle damage and priming and zenithal drybrushing and basecoat and maybe even first increments in color but beyond that it's a single miniature on your cerebral palsy/essential tremor minimization brick and sodden hobby facecloth at any given moment and you see it through to completion before picking out the next and doing it again (and again) ((and again))batch painting might be efficient but it's boring
>>97533540yea, the little flairs like "look, all my world eaters have their weapons chained to their hands and are using Sarum pattern helmets"or"I'm using the camo scheme from the Schlong campaign for my Dark Angels"or"This is my conversion of John Raukaan, leader of the Raukaan clan, who has no official rules but I think he's neat" (I don't know DA/IH lore good enough to come up with actual examples but I've had people do these sorts of things in previous editions)
>>97533575Giga based event
>>97533650Then do one model at a time. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to do entire armies at once. Unless you're working for a commission painter I guess.
>>97533777I'm holding a gun to anon's head, actually. Not for commissions. just for the love of the game. (the game is holding gun's to people's heads and forcing them to paint armies)
>>97532881isnt 50 max though?Anyway yeah the only reason not to flood the board in bodies is having to paint 200 minis.>>97533420>plays DA>his girlfriend is one of the Fallenpoetry.>>97533650Small squads is the way to go.
So I have the 3rd edition box. If I want to build a loyalist World Eaters list, what's a good next buy? I was thinking either the mkii assault squad, despoilers, or cataphractii. Any recommendations?Also, what tanks are good for World Eaters? I'd like to include a few pieces of solid artillery.
>>97533848Predators
>>97533848>InfantrySomething to build praetorion command squad, praetorion command squad with jump packs, centurion command squad, terminator command squad, assault veterans, veteran breachers, destroyers, tartaros terminators, assault marines, despoilers... honestly there's almost too much choice now when it comes to melee infantry. >tanksPredators with conversion beamers to kill infantryPredators with magna-melta cannon and lascannon sponsons to kill vehiclesPredators with graviton cannons to kill infantry and pin them in place so they can't run from your melee unitsWhy predators? Because that's the tank WE were know to use a lot of.
>>97533848kratos and two predators
>opponent takes a unit of khentai blades in ZM>10 men, like 300pts>shoot them with 5 seekers>pick panic 1 on the shot>he passes all saves>fails the LD check and the unit is basically useless for the entire game
>>97534015Did he fail the Ld check multiple times in a row? Been there. I've repeatedly rolled 11 or 12 for my deathwing companions with praetor until they ran off the board...
>>97533687Cool scouring guys nonny
>>97533384It's BA, they could be fighting on/near Terra towards the end of the HH.
>>97534043once, but it was T1 at deployment and he fell back 10"
>>97534058He did roll a second Ld check upon reaching the table edge, right? At least you get a second chance now in 3.0. Lost count of how often I lost units turn 1 to a single failed Ld check in older editions...
Sanguinius is a pretty mid Primarch honestly. Yeah sure he's an excellent fighter, arguably the best, and he's the most heroic of the Primarchs but thats it. So if you judge Primarchs like they were capeshit then maybe he really was the best Primarch, but from the perspective of building an interstellar Empire he's definitely not. Perturabo would unironically have been more useful for the Imperium than Sanguinius. Same with Ferrus Manus and Vulkan, because of their technological skills, and Dorn and Guilliman for their Empire building expertise. Even Fulgrim would be more useful to the Imperium, everyone forgets he was an amazing administrator too during his time on Chemos. Sure he can kill titans but a fucking Shadowsword can do that too. I guess he's a good figurehead but thats really it.
>>97533698Yeee fluff. Although most of that fluff is just "bruh was warring one day, then he got BETRAYED". So it is in this era of betrayal, who would've thought...
>>97534015>>97534058>Anon's Khenetai be like
>>97534156>I guess he's a good figureheadNot really, since mutants aren't accepted and the Emperor is trying to push his state atheism. Massive angel wing mutations make him pretty iffy as a symbol on anything but the most surface level.
>>97533919For a melee focused group, with artillery support, would you prefer assault, or despoiler squads?Also, copy that. Predator tanks seem very popular, so I can grab a couple of those to start with for artillery.
>>97534156>if you judge Primarchs like they were capeshit then maybe he really was the best PrimarchSo we agree Sanguinius was the best, great.
>>97534192They do different things. Despoiler are meant to claim objectives because they have Line 2. Assault marines are meant to harass scoring units, ranged units, and tanks with weak rear AV, because they have Vanguard 2.
>>97533575The promised land.
>>97534080he didnt reach the edge, 1" away luckily because he had to go round a corner>>97534172oh shit. they got in combat.
>>97534263did that TS players dip their models into candy apple candy? Looks thicker than the actual resin
>>97534268Nah thats just the way candy apple red looks, its is deceptively juicy looking
>>97534156dorn wasn't building shit but fortifications; vulkan; ferrus and perturabo weren't going to build cities& better imperial tech. fulgrim i don't knowguilliman is really the only other that had real everyday uses beside sang in a conquered galaxy
>>97533919You sure? Book 1 seems to say it wasn't too common.
>>97534043Last time I played I realized my dreadnought should have been routed because a friendly techmarine had been killed in the same combat and I rolled an eleven.
>>97534228I see. They way my infantry is right now, I've got:Tactical squad (15): bolters w/ bayonet & nuncio vox x2Veteran tactical squad (5): disintegrator rifle, & vexilia x2Would you say I need more line, or would it just be better to grab assault marines to tie up enemies until my tacticals arrive?
>It's possible to have an unarmed custodes straight out of the warden kitKarate banana let's go
>>97534294Definitely could use more units with line once you're building up to a full 3k points army. And also use any variation of command squad to capture objectives, whilst those don't have line they're more durable and keep enemy units away.
>>97534268looks better when finished
>>97534323Based candy red son (over paradise). What was your basecoat that looks pretty dark.
>>97534278Odd, because WE also had a rite of war that let them spam predator squadrons.
Does somebody have the skitari rules?
>>97534275>dorn wasn't building shit but fortificationsThe Imperial Palace was way more than just fortifications and Dorn himself noted as such when he had to tear most of it down in preparation for the siege.>vulkan; ferrus and perturabo weren't going to build cities& better imperial tech.They quite literally were though. Its canon that they were designing tech for the Imperium during the Crusade. Pert also made a few cities.>fulgrim i don't knowHe turned Chemos into a beautiful and cultured world from a post-apoc shithole. Meanwhile Baal is still as much a shithole as it was when Sanguinius landed there.>guilliman is really the only other that had real everyday uses beside sang in a conquered galaxySanguinius' everyday use outside of fighting is being an in universe posterboy.
>>97534376Yes.
>>97534363You mean armoured breakthrough? Both we specific rites are infantry focused and berserker assault limits tanks and flyers to 1 or less per infantry unit.
>>97534392Thanks. You don't happen to have also the army rules?
>>97534450These?
>>97534460Yes. Thank you a lot anon
>>97534391>Pert also made a few cities.Lmao those must have made a hive look like luxury housing. Even Hong Kong would probably be better than anything he could make.
>>97534268It's a powerfield disruptor coating
>>97534490Armor coated in small power blades to disrupt incoming solid projectiles? Could that work?
>>97534363Just checked the 2.0 rites and you are right, 2.0's berserker assault rules lets you take preds as FA which doesn't really fit the fluff like the vast majority of 2.0's changes. It's weird because it's not like marines lack choices for tanks and the vindi's fluff is even that less subtle legions just use them as mbts so they could have went with that.
>>975345252.0 proving itself to be a mistake yet again
>>97534391>Sanguinius' everyday use outside of fighting is being an in universe posterboy.being a posterboy is a big job though
>>97534524I meant that the coating disrupts enemy power fields. It's JAMMED, see?Although I am of the idea that disruptor fields clash with one another, so in theory energizing a metal plate would enable it to resist an enemy powered blade. It's how power swords clash with each other instead of breaking one another in combat. In the same vein, I like to believe (headcanon moment) that a person with a power fist could catch an enemy blade not unlike many styles of fencing that used blade and gauntlet.Also, Legion (yikes) has an Imperial Army unit ("The Thornbacks") have spiked armour (look up real life "Bearhunter" armour), so, if you want artificer armour be a hedgehog of powered needles on plate, you could do it
>>97534627"Catch" an enemy blade as in slap it away or block it. But if you can actually grab it, good for you
>>97534627ngl I thought all the different Imperial Army regiments described in Legion were kinda interesting
>>97534627>>97534685Legion has some pretty good moments. I like the unexplained field of stone heads the soldiers have a drinking game around, the look into the different imperial army regiments or the image of legionnaires emerging from under the dunes.Shame it suffers from the usual Abnett failings
>piss into bottle to avoid having to use the bathroom and take a break from painting my IW >rip bong>few minutes pass>get thirsty>so stoned i confuse my water bottle for my urine bottle>fucking take a swig of my piss and don't notice until after i swallow it
>>97534760F E A R N O T T H E B A P T I S Mwhat a novel flavor, most just sip from their disgusting citadel water pots. good for you.
>>97534760>drink piss>to make more pissIt's a vicious cycle.
finished my ZM, my seekers performed quite well, causing a khentai blades unit to rout T1 (already mentioned above), and the 2nd squad managing to run away from a combat they lost, and in the following turn rout the unit that was persuing themthe 1st unit also suppressed an enemy unit of seekers, quite handy
>>97534760It's either piss of paint water
>>97534732>>97534685I don't know what Abnet's failings are, but it's too bad that:1. Legion's Imperial Army is so removed from the usual that it almost looks like part of a different setting2. We never hear from any of them ever again. Might not be a bad thing, actually3. The only thing we do see a bit more of is the Cabal, which basically nobody liked.I'm glad the storyline ends up being effectively discarded...but I'm mad I got bamboozled into reading it.
>>97534760Are you sure you're not an IF player?
>>97534760>average IW serf trapped within their productivity berth (perturabo will punish them with leg removal for the 0.8% drop in efficiency)
i think that's enough tech anachronism for tonight>>97534047nonny ? what's that now
>>97534954I disagree on your first point. The Imperium was a vast place with numerous different cultures, worlds, and regiments. There should not be a thing like "the usual" when it comes to a force that should be as diverse as the Imperial Army has to be. In my opinion Legion is one of the extremely rare cases where the human forces are properly explored and getting expanded upon. Most novels the human forces are nothing more than cannon fodder barely being paid attention to in favour of more marine daddy issues. Sadly HH seems to be going the same way as 40k, where instead of more unique regiments being added everything gets reduced to being Solar Auxilia (with 40k having Cadians)
>>97535040>the off-centre hole in the meltagun barrel
>>97535058a french ? at this hour of the day ?
>>97535076An Aussie, perhaps? (NZ isn't on the map :^))
>>97535095i'm reading way too much into a typo. and no it's not off center, the meltagun hole is fine especially when compared to the bolters
>>97535111>A meltagun hole is fine tooIt buckled from over-use
>>97534318Now that Im looking into despoilers, Ive learned about the interdiction cadre. Even if the charge is disordered, that seems quite nice with +1 attack on the charge. I might be wrong, but I believe I can also give them all chain axes as well. Would it be a good use to deploy them against something with line like tactical or breacher squads? Basically just trying to reduce the scoring capability of my opponent, and maybe snagging a few points for advantage before the squad is wiped out, ultimately being an expendable throwaway unit.
i'm surprised seekers are neither vanguard nor support unit
>>97534015seekers life yo, if you aint running them then your probably running!
>>97535597Big same. I'd wish Vanguard didn't SUCK either. Oh well, one can DREAM>>97535622>You only need to Breach mean bastards. But mean bastards, you need to Breach.
>>97535570there's a world in which you can block a LR or Spartan in after it moves, completely tying up the expensive unit inside, simply by charging it as part of Concealed Reactions after its Move but before the Embarked Unit can make its own Move, which with thoughtful positioning and a good charge roll you could sometimes do with just the basic 10-man; doesn't matter if you can't hurt it (though meltabombs to inflict a HP or Status occasionally might be fun), because it has shooting that's not geared to dealing with your Despoilers so if you're covered from other units' shooting, you can hold them in the can for a whole game turn until the thing just moves away; otherwise, even if you can't cover the entire length, he's still risking auto-casualties by trying to disembark while staying 1" away from your guys, and if he's got a Primarch in there he's not going to risk it because there are No Savesis it cheesy? you betdoes a deathstar spartan haver deserve being served only the finest cheese? you bet
>>97535758hilarious, i'll see if it works against a rhino today
>>97534954Anon, you literally just described Abnett’s failings. His problem in the modern day is that he doesn’t actually seem to like working within the boundaries of 40k canonicity. It’s always some original plot point that, to be charitable, doesn’t really mesh with the warhammer setting. To be uncharitable, those original ideas suck. The Cabal, Erda, perpetuals, the twisting of Ollanius Pius, and so on.
>>97534760>IW players
The mars pattern predator is more imposing than the deimos pattern predator
>>97535920i adore them both so my pair is comprised of one of eachconversion beamer focus plus lascannon sponsons on the deimos tho all of its main turret choices are magnetized and the mars has a full lascannon loadout at basis because particle beam and laser tanks are fucking awesome
>>97535044Fleshing out is very good, but that one case was too far out. For me. I really liked the Lucifer Blacks. I want more about them, I really do mean it. I would read a series or short stories with Lucifer Blacks characters.But even with the Imperial Army being literally numberless multitudes all different from one another, they must have a core common to them all. You could describe Warhammer mortal soldiers to someone, for example. Lasguns, fire support and sheer grit.I had no problem with the Geno Chilliad and their psi-sensitive HQ leading bashars; I watched the Sultan Suleyman soap opera after all. But all those grav skimmers and legged land-crawler vehicles made me feel like I was reading Star Wars. And the protagonist's power IS jedi mind tricks, so, it's there. It really took Alpharius himself to remind me which setting i was in.This is because I don't know the Imperial Army. All I know is 40k's Imperial Guard, and 30k's Solar Auxilia. Are there more novels about the Imperial Army being WEIRD and full of DAoT gear? Until I read them, all I know about the Imperial Army is:1. They use lasguns and Russes2. They dress Vostroyan when cold, Catachan when hot, and Cadian when mild3. SA isn't the Imperial Army, and Militia aren't either.
>>97536149Imperial Army is Warrior Elite + Legacy of the Great Crusade militia
>>97534954Making the whole Imperial Army just SolarAux and basically-Cadians because those are the models GW sell was a shit move, Legion is one of the few HH novels that actually bothers to live up to the promise of the Imperial Army - ie, that it would be as diverse as the Guard but even more weird. Imagine being mad you got tricked into reading one of the few actually good HH novels because it's insufficiently compatible with the ~90% of the series that's just generic soap opera slop.
>>97534055>Muh seige of Terra cope
>>97536303I'm mad weird IA is an outlier. That is, we could've gotten more novels with strange regiments.Could. Heresy's over, and the Scouring will turn them into the Guard
>>97525242Tortuga isn't going anywhere soon my man. They make way too much money and have nothing to fear from James.
>>97535837I liked all the atypical stuff in the Eisenhorn books since its like you are seeing one small part of the imperium.I liked Saturnine overall although I mentally checked out every time John Grammaticus and Erderer appeared. The Ollanius Pius origin rewriting is whatever but I did like the framing with the POVs from the average troopers and that little japanese rememberancer lad. I also liked the despair thing and troopers just deleting themselves like a Russian trooper who's just got droned but the reveal in a later book it wasn't just the normal horror of the most nightmarish battle in history and is instead a wizard curse from Mortarion is pretty underwelming.
>>97536448I think that anon might be talking about Russia.
>>97536551Everybody checked out mentally when the annoying perpetuals showed up. I'm still mad they changed Malcador into a perpetual. He was much more cool when he was just a regular human with incredible psychic power.
>game at the club last night>ultramarines vs salamanders>not a lot of terrain (theres definitely some, big LoS blocking stuff but not enough)>playing some fan missions from some gaming club that posted them online i dont know, they're not balanced very well from what i've seen>salamanders player has 2 laser vindicators>shreds through the ultramarine players big tanks because not enough cover, nor does the ultramarines player have status effects because all his anti-tank is lascannons>ultramarine player concedes front end of turn 2some people I swear
>>97536835>nor does the ultramarines player have status effects because all his anti-tank is lascannonsDon't need status effects, it only takes three penetrating hits from lascannons to kill a vindicator.
>>97536846a single status effect effectively cripples the vindicator because it's shooting at half effectiveness, possibly either snapshooting or cannot pivot, and can only clear it on a 6+
>>97536863Yes but a destroyed vindicator doesn't get to do anything at all. Because it's gone. Killing tanks still is more effective than fishing for glancing hits. I don't get people's obsession with glancing hits, for the same points or sometimes even less you can just bring something that actually kills vehicles.
>>97536881depends on the anti-tank used, lascannons arent that good now because a lot of the stuff they're mounted on wants to move, thus only D1
>>975368902.0 has made players soft and lazy, relying on nothing but their land raider's lascannons for anti-vehicle.
>>97536930my rapiers will punish them
>>97537053Can't spell rapiers without rape
>>97536668russia's about to lose chechnya again and has basically crippled or slaughtered all its young men and now the old men too, russia's done, five years, ten years, won't even be russia on a map, it's barely that now
>>975370714 of them to be exact, should be enough with some additional land raider lascannons
>>97537093I've had to get more rapiers to expand the units I have, now that rapiers max out at 4 instead of 3. Thank the Emperor for recasters, the plastic rapiers look nothing like the old resin rapiers.
>>97537081Jesus, its insane what propaganda does to people.
>>97537311russians spent the last thirty years ruled by self interested billionaires, what did you expect was going to happen
>>97537317I thought Russia was being rules by a dictator who put all those billionaires into jail.>what did you expect was going to happenSame as with all the other countries being ruled by self-interested billionaires: nothing.
>>97537348>I thought Russia was being rules by a dictator who put all those billionaires into jail.he made them, he owns them, he is one of themand when he's dead, none of them will be able to hold it together the way he has, and that will mean civil war at best
>>97537407I take that as a "yes".
since we're gonna threadshit about russia, what primarch is closest to putin? Zelensky?I'd say putin is perturabo, and Zelensky is corax
>>97537442Putin is Alpharius
>>97537452They're all Alpharius.
>>97537469We're Alpharius.
>>97537442Perturabo was competent tho, great builder and strategist. He's the opposite of putin
>>97537452Man, imagine a marine with his back story. Mom gets pregnant with an asian, he leaves her, she gets married to another dude, hates your guts. Beats you extra, beats your mom and siblings normaly. mom send you to your aunts. Aunts kicks you out and you join the ranks of bezprizorny (homeless kids). No one knows what you do for some years, then you go high school, kgb school, go germany as an officer, return do some scams in Petersburg to bam become the all Tsar of Russia. That is like some ganger becoming the defacto leader of a space marine legion.
>>97526966>because the proportions on everything look over dimensioned the way an edgy action figure toy for seven year old boys look....I feel like you are just giving the actual definition of a chaos space marine here?
>>97527183Literally this scheme from the warhammer community site, you can add contrast medium as much or as little as you want and do it in as many or as few layers as you want, I do it for the base colours of my iron warriors before I brighten it up but it looks so good in its darkened steel with this very subtle green/yellow tinge"Harley: For my Iron Hands, I like to keep subtle colour in the armour, so I glaze Plaguebearer Flesh towards the tops of panels, which are basecoated with Leadbelcher, before applying multiple thin washes with Ratling Grime to give the Iron Hands' black steel colour at the time of the Horus Heresy. Then in the recesses, I wash Rhinox Hide then Bloodreaver Flesh, going heavier with the second step aroundthe feet. This creates a finish that reads as oily black, but on closer inspection should provide a subtle colour contrast."
>>97536930>relying on nothing but their land raider's lascannons for anti-vehicle.Half a dozen Lascannons used to do something
>>97537680as we say it here "to se nevrati". I miss having all my lascanons on mobile melee platforms and fast moving speeders.
>>97537680Just because you can no longer guaranteed kill a land raider turn one with three and a half lascannons doesn't mean lascannons do nothing any more. They're still solid on dedicated ranged units, my castraferrum-mortis dreadnoughts with lascannons have been doing just fine.
>>97537711legacy units should not really be used. The game isn't designed in mind , with them being on the table. And some lascanons are okey. 12+ lascanon sentry guns are cheap and powerful. 4 rapiers to joing 4 guad launchers under protection of 2 starter box guns are sometimes unfun to face.
>>97537711>Just because you can no longer guaranteed kill a land raider turn one with three and a half lascannonsNo, I'm saying it no longer guarantee's a Rhino kill on turn two with six Lascannons. That IS bad.LRs with six Lascannons are basically Terminus Ultras, which are, uh, were, actual tank killers. 2 Lascannons shouldn't make that much of a difference
>>97537726>legacy units should not really be used. The game isn't designed in mindYou're retarded and need yo go back to 40k, 3/4 of the fucking game are in legacies
>>97537726This isn't 40k, you tourist. Legacy units use should be mandatory, some of the most kino options are in there. And in 3.0 they are just as balanced as all the options in the libers.>The game isn't designed with legacy units in mindFactually incorrect. The first reveal stream GW did the HH team members interviewed talked about how options that are not in the box or provide fun conversion/kitbash opportunities will be in the legacies PDF or return in the journals.
>>97537751 point for point the castaferrum outperforms EVERY dreadnought in the game. And it is a dreadnought that is no longer sold.
>>97537751>3/4 of the fucking game are in legaciesIsn't that a bit fucked up, though?>You can still use all these things...>...that I no longer support. How gracious and charitable of me!Uh, the support it? It's just text. That you already wrote!
>>97532472I just got into HH and I felt so bad for you all with the horrible scans you have I just started scanning the core rulebook tonight. Im getting pretty good results that Ill post tomorrow (theyre on my PC. im on my phone) and dont seem to be destroying my book. Done and cropped about 50 pages so far and I plan on adding bookmarks and links as well.
>>97537749Just roll better :^)
>>97537766you want to tell me the studio set down. looked at leviathans, doredeos, contemptors, the new saturnite, then all the legion specific dreadnoughts, and after all of that they decided that the best dreadnought should be a dread they don't sell and just by a bit, but rather by a lot.
>>97537766>how options that are not in the box will be in the legacies PDF or return in the journals.How about they were in the Libers? So what if you can't "buy" it, you can convert it
>>97537749>everything needed already in the kit>GW can't bring themselves to give it even token PDF rules
>>97537791>>97537791>>97537791
>>97537771It isn't fucked up, because the higher-ups at GW clearly tried to push the HH team into the same bullshit direction as 40k. They seemed to have made a compromise by having box-locked options in the libers, and everything else in separate publications.
>>97537788Awooga. This guy cannot possibly have the full transport capacity of 10. How about 6 like a sort of Achilles tank-hunter?
>>97537773Bless.
>>97537808Terminus Ultra has no capacity, so I doubt Proteus variant would have any either.
>>97536149There is some fluff about the army sprinkled in everywhere but the point of the army is that there is no standardization because you have certain recruiting grounds that had been separated from the rest of humanity for thousands of years and got reunited with it in the last 200 years. You might not have lasguns because that strain of humanity had evolved with poison glands so they can just lick autogun mags and get poisoned ammo. They might not have fire support because their society abhors use of guns bigger than a soldier can carry because during the dark age of technology entire cities were wiped off their planets by cannons firing nuclear shells. They might lack courage because they don't care about the imperium and will stab it in the back at the first chance. The Regiments like the Lucifer Blacks and the Geno Chilliad are part of the old 100 terran regiments that emps used to support the legions with the intention that they would eventually get phased out by more marines which didn't happen even with the various pre-heresy almost-inductii projects some legions had. They were weird because unification wars era terrans were weird, Emps even had to repair the dna of terrans post unification because of all of the genesplicing and mutations that afflicted them. Being at the heart of human civilization which is also a huge trove of archeotech also means their equipment was very varied. All of this is gone like tears in the rain by the time the heresy ends so ymmv on if this is too fluff breaking.
small 1000pts game today, blood angels against night lords. i'll detail it later
>>97537452Alpha Legion is Mossad/Israel.
>>97537771wtf is your definition of supporting? the rules are literally in the game, they are literally supporting the units for use in the game
