The shoulder pads were to similar to 40k's ones (good because disproportionated shoulder pads look retarded af), just like the rest of its lore (check the description of the game, it's literally 40k).I hate GW but VW devs were not very intelligent doing a 40k-like knowing that GW is purging anything 40k-like (except Starcraft because it's a fellow corpo) for the last 6 years.Meanwhile this fattard nordcuck still so mad about Trench Crusade that wants GW suing them.https://youtu.be/7moxqmpj-uE?si=5aVlo7zC0cr64t03And this is the same dude that can't stfu about men being cold stoic war-machines and women being the total opposite and "muh tradcuck gender roles based because men are providers (slaves)".
>>97523959Post void war minis
Honestly, void war is too blatant with its source of "inspiration".
>>97523959Void war got reported by a copyright troll and is up on steam again.Games workshop doesn't have a copyright on space army men fighting demons in gothic architecture spaceships. There's a reason all their factions have gay made up names these days
>>97523983For now, they don't exist. But there are minis from 'Void' by Seb Games, which are lame and ugly af.https://www.seb-games.com/games/void/ When are people going to admitt 80s punk was never cool?>>97524026To be fair, most "grimdark" games this days are blatant. As it's said in OP, it's right to hate GW, but sometimes they are also right about the copyrights (I know, 90% of the original IP was "stolen" / inspired from other franchises).But at this point, I unironically believe that censorship is necessary for creativity, under preasure is when great and FRESH ideas are born.
>>97524119>There's a reason all their factions have gay made up names these daysTrue. >Games workshop doesn't have a copyright on space army men fighting demons in gothic architecture spaceships. Well, I hope it gets the copyright, so other devs are forced to actually use their imagination instead of copying "mainstream current thing". At this point I'm an accelerationist, if it has to burn, let it be burn (that moment when Horus may had a point).
>>97524142imagine deepthroating the boot of a multimillion dollar corporation that hates you
I'm gonna take a guess the video OP linked is something like "GW is evil super evil, so we are rooting for void war. I haven't played void war or even know what it is but I am now its biggest fan and totally not a tourist."
>>97523959That isn't even true, sending a frivolous DCMA is not the same as suing.
>>97523959>yet another Arch advertising threadI'm disgusted with your faggotry OP. There is absolutely no reason to link this youtube video here.
You've gotta be a little more subtle than this.
>>97524536I hardly see the 40k relation.Random skulls and gothic looking thing is just your basic bitch Catholic
>another arch threadNigga just buy an ad at that point. Or is your shitskin audience too poor to afford that for you now?
>>97524563I think it's pretty clearly modelled off Imperial/Chaos ships in 40k.GW haven't sued though, they've DMCA'd. They're obligated to pursue copyright claims and the guys behind this game did not file the numbers off enough and are making a for-profit game, so I'm pretty sure this will be upheld. They should have put more thought into making it distinct.The OP pic also looks like someone just put 'Rutger Hauer in power armor pixel art' into AI and the game is just FTL so I feel this was pretty low effort all around.
>>97524615I do not see the skulls in this ones. Really doubt sci fi gribble would hold in court.Maybe is being retarded and trying to pull another " trademark Power Armor"
>>97524630They literally have to pursue claims to show they defend their IP. No hate either, but this game is clearly a gigantic rip-off of both Warhammer 40,000 and FTL. I would respect the devs more if they weren't obviously trying to cash in on 2 very well known properties of this and I don't feel particularly sorry they caught a legal threat over it. If anything I'm surprised the FTL guys aren't pursuing them.
Void War is fun. It really is just FTL with more content and the ability to customize your crewmen by giving them equipment and spells if they're psykers and a not-40k skin and theme slapped on to it. I don't love how the commanders work, you're incentivized to just leave them in the pilot room forever and the selection is also a bit lacking. It would be nice if there was the option to take any of the possible crewmembers and use them as your commander instead of picking from the ~16 options the game gives you. Also, tzeentch and slaanesh worshippers aren't in the game, which I think is a missed opportunity. It's a video game though, not a tabletop game, so I'm not sure why it's being posted about here.
>>97524645FTL would have more grounds, GW can get bent in this one.One thing is the legal need to defend their IP and another one is being bad faith asshole like GW.
>>97524673Do they actually call them psykers? I think they were trying to get a GW threat as a publicity stunt.
>>97524531why not?
>>97524673>Also, tzeentch and slaanesh worshippers aren't in the gameI think the blood cultists are supposed to be the slaanesh stand-ins. Not that it needs to be a copy
>>97524741I thought Ariok = Khorne but with psykers, Gorgoroth = Nurgle and War cultists = undivided. I don't really see any relation to Slaanesh in any of the descriptions of the Ariokine stuff.
>>97524754Aren't war cultists the ones that worship Krom? The blood ones have flavor text about pleasure and shit
>>97524778That's a fair point, though if we're arguing aesthetics then the Kromites are all black and gold, which are the colours of chaos undivided. Upon further review, yeah, you're right, Ariok is a mix of Khorne and Slaanesh. Gorgoth is just straight Nurgle, so Tzeentch is the odd one out. Maybe his followers will be added in an update.
>>97524191>implying that I buy any of the plastic-goyslop Good one, anon.>>97524206>Arch wants GW to sued Trench Crusade because he still mad
>>97524754>War cultists = undivided. What about my greek boyo Ares?
>>97523959lame, it looked cool.
>>97524125>there are minis from 'Void' by Seb Games, which are lame and ugly af.They're not lame, you're lame. Not every miniature needs to be hyper detailed like modern GW's minis. I admit some of the sculpts are a little rough but the sandrunners and legionaries are cool as fuck.
>>97524026Every 40kid game is. They don't know any tabletop settings other than 40k so it's the only thing they can rip off. That said GW's reason for suing is pretty BS.
>Shoulder pads with spikes>Cyborgs fighting a fantasy war in space When is GW suing Druillet?
>Giant golden shoulder pads How the fuck did they get away with this???
>>97524754Isn't Ariok just Arioch with a k instead of a ch
>>97524902>>97524924Jews-Goyslop has sued people with this reasoning before and lost. It's probably lawfare meant to deplete their funding rather than a hope to win a trial.
>>97524946Perhaps, anon, perhaps. Perhaps this is a return to form, with Arioch (blood and souls! blood and souls for my lord arioch!) being transmuted in to Khorne (blood for the blood god! skulls for the skull throne of khorne!) being transmuted in to Ariok (for whom a prayer-warcry probably exists, but I haven't played VW enough to know it by heart). Or perhaps the throug hline bypassed Khorne entirely. Who knows?
>>97524673Is there an option for the Alpha that isn't Steam based?
>>97524875I never talk about over-details, I just said they're lame because they're ugly.
>>97524902First time I heard about 'Druillet', do you recommend it?The warrior of double-axe looks like a WoW troll.
>>97525051If you like guys shooting each other in space then heck yeah. The one in my pic is from Lone Sloane: Salammbo which is a sci-fi reimagining of the novel Salammbo so you might want to read a synopsis of that so you aren't too lost. It's a french comic so things get pretty weird.
>>97525106Thanks a lot, anon.Please, give more recommendations.
>>97525051He does a lot of Euro comics, a lot showed up in the recent Metal Húrlant revival in english which is worth a look if your intersted, along with a lot of Moebius strips
>>97525504Vampire Knight Requiem. It's by Pat Mills, the creator of Nemesis the Warlock and it shares a lot of the same DNA with it and it's one of the craziest science fantasy comics out there. The only downside is that it's not finished and the conclusion will probably be a little rushed because there's so much to tie up.
>>97524615>I think it's pretty clearly modelled off Imperial/Chaos ships in 40k.Yes, obviously, but contrarians gonna contrarian.
>>97524563>basic bitch Catholic>basichows it basic when 98% of Catholic churches don't actually look like that though
>>97527005>>97525546Thanks a lot anons, it is the first time I heard all this works and authors. Recently I have been checking out draw tutorials to learn how to draw like this gentlemen.Do you know where can someone learn and promote his works?
>>97524645>They literally have to pursue claims to show they defend their IP.You're thinking trademarks. If you had to demonstrate use for copyright, IP squatting wouldn't be a thing.
>>97524924They turn a blind eye to 2000AD because they know how much they ripped off from it and opening the floodgates on litigation between them and Rebellion would be ruinous.
>>97527832Mostly because GW would lose most of them, since a lot of things exist in 40k simply due to Citadel making models based on 2000AD characters during the Rogue Trader daysfor an exhample, the Jokaero, which originated from models based on Dave the orangutan, mayor of Mega City 1
>>97524811>goyslopelection tourist
>>97528540you really do always project huh
>>97528540You are goyim.
>>97524953I think it's lawfare as well.
>>97528694>>y-y-y-you're projectingWhy do browns always say that in response to basically everything?
Why do troons keep spamming the board with eceleb bogeymen?
>>97528782Goy - singular, goyim - plural.
>>97523959Video games have their own board you know.
>>97523959fun game, very very blatant ripoff, anyone who played it could see they were trying to piggyback off the IP.
>>97524142>upholding the status quo and being a corporate bootlicker>letting it burnPick one and only one, you fucking retard.
>>97524191>deepthroating the boot of a multimillion dollar corporation that hates youdesu don't we all live in a sea of minefild penis?>Pick one and only one, you fucking retard.I think anon thinks that if indi games are forced to be creative they will have to and at least that corner will have good creativity , which I think is a little too opitmistic on how good non corpos are , and too little pesimistic on how bad corpos are.
>>97523959Gw fucking copied every sci-fi franchise under the sun. I've lost track of where everything comes from, God-Emperor from dune, Ad-Mech from Canticle for Leibowitz and Foundation, arbites from Judge Dredd, Chaos from Moorcock, the list goes on. Can't believe they're now pretending they actually own anything.
>>97529902Sorry I am just a goy, thanks.
>>97530953Yeah they even tried to trademark space marine back in the day and failed, hence why all the retarded renaming of every faction just for the sake of copyright like dark eldar being drukhari now.
>>97527387They really should tho
>>97523959fuck GW. void war is a million times better than their faggy trannyshit
>>97524615its already far more than 'just ftl'. and fuck gw, this will kill dev on the game, which is already super fun.
>>97531146Maybe they should have just made their own fucking game.
>>97530953By far the biggest rip-off in 40k is Nemesis the Warlock, but it goes strangely underreported. Perhaps because NtW is itself ripping off Moorcock quite a bit.
>>97530715>indi games are forced to be creativeit's not "forced to be creative", it's "forced to google every idea, prose, and image they make to check if someone copyrighted something vaguely similar"do that and see how that encourages creativityor just read up on situation with software patents
No one would want to play this game in the first place if Game's Workshop weren't so insistent on making their own IP gay and retarded and making every game about primaris ultrasmurfs
>>97531292Anon, I don't everything being copyrighted, but I'm tired of checking other grimdarks beyond 40k just to find out they are rip-offs of 40k (I know 40k is a rip-off from other franchises).I want something truly fresh, not the "parody of current mainstream thing" (Space King) nor "non-woke / return to its origins (ex: capitalism bad) version of current mainstream thing" (Project Morningstar).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkdFvvsCOq4I ofc know that anything is influenced by other things, but you can see how back then there was a boom in creativity and ideas, you no longer see that this days, except if you know really niche things.
>>97530984Your welcome, anon.
>>97532025I feel you and I agree, but I still don't think adding extra hoops is how you get more creativityif you want more ideas then you need to concentrate on leveling the playing field and making it easier for newcomersmeanwhile, adding more rules favours the big players who can spare the manpower to deal with legislation
>>97531194It's a strip that ended in 1999, and half of it is kinda bad
>>97532177Perhaps you are right. I was talking from the perspective of the lore and aesthetics rather than the rules, but your point is also valid.Also, franchise of picrel?
>>97530953>>97531194What are 'Moorcock' and 'Nemesis the Warlock'? What make them so special? Do you recommend them?
>>97523959The aesthetics of shoulder pads are not copyrightable. If this is true and this is the claim in the lawsuit it will get thrown out, but I very much doubt it's true cause the Internet doesn't know the first thing about copyright law.
>>97533039>he doesn't know who Michael Moorcock isWe need to gatekeep harder bros...
>GW: NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE SPACE WARRIORS USING PAULDRONS THAT'S OUR ORIGINAL IDEA>Also Gw: Teehee, what if we had the police force (Arbites) who are also judge, jury and executioner to spread the Imperial Law? Totally Original idea hee hee
>>97533039Moorcock is the surname of the writer of Michael Moorcock, who wrote series like the Elric, his most well-known work, and others like Hawkmoon and CorunHis stuff is a decent enough read. Elric suffers from a lot of retcon due to him being Moorcock's first character, and him changing a lot of things about Elric in later storiesNemesis the Warlock was a 2000AD comic by Pat Mills and a lot of different artists about an Alien Chaos Sorcerer fighting the evil Termite Empire. Like a lot of Mills' works, it's uneven with a strong start and end, with the middle getting a bit iffy. Art also suffers after Kevin O'Neill and Bryan Talbot leave the strip.
>>97523959>Chapterhouse suit vol. 2Imagine being so unaccustomed to competition you think it's illegal while your flagship setting is a pastiche of IPs that were cool in the 80s that other people owned.
>>97530953Yeah, GW even took Alien and Terminator to make the fucking tyranids and necrons lol
>>97533083Thanks, anon. >Alien Chaos Sorcerer fighting the evil Termite Empire.So Chaos is "good" in this franchise or, at least, neutral?>him changing a lot of things about Elric in later storiesAny examples? In both franchises, where should I started? First or later stories?
>>97533244NTA but the best place to start with Moorcock is the Elric Omnibuses, there are 3 of em, just start with the first one. Moorcocks writings were hugely influential on the Cosmology of the Warhammer settings in particular so you'll occasionally see things that you recognize, which is pretty neat. Be warned there's occasionally huge jumps in quality between stories, cause Moorcock was a hugely prolific writer for decades but didn't really hit his stride till the 80's IMO, and the stories are collected roughly in chronological order, not by publication date.
>>97533244Chaos is neutral, I guess, in NtW, like Nemesis himself is a bit of a dick, and his entire race of Aliens are at best amoral and self-centred.Elric, it's just detail changes and some charecterzasation it's nothing major You can just read Nemesis from vol 1 of the series Rebellion, putting out new versions right now, but there won't be any content difference from older editions.Link to an older edition that is free online>https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Complete-Nemesis-The-WarlockAs for Elric, I really don't know, just pick up an omnibus if you want to read the prose stories.Moorcock himself did praise a French comic adaptation from 2014, so you might want to give that a look if your interested>https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Elric
>>97523959Void War got DMCA'd by GW over a specific shot from one of the trailers, the developers simply pulled the trailer off the store page and Valve put the game back on sale. As far as I'm aware the incident is over and the Youtube rage baiters are trying to stir up shit over nothing.
>>97533355yes, GW isn't suing them at allIt's retarded shitstirrer spamming every board with it >>>/vst/2337362
>>97533034in fairness, this particular game developer from OP really doesn't seem like the type to embrace creativity, regardless of circumstanceI do find it difficult to root for them>Also, franchise of picrel?no idea, it's a random image I grabbed off /vg/
>>97524026That's any 'not-40k' made by reactionary-conservatives though.I'm in a bunch of those communities (some paint good mini's), and invariably what happens is either a dead-set clone, or something that reads like a hyper-autistic fanfiction that simultaneously has the pacing of 40k, and changes everything that made it great to try avoid lawsuit.You can do non-40k grimdark and make it popular. TC being the prime example. But you can't do so while trying to just 'make a warhammer'. You do that, you're cucking yourself already as a dev.I like some of the 'Void' mini's, but they're not fantastic, even by oldhammer standards, and there's no way I'm going to even try taking the setting seriously.
>>97533272>>97533328Thanks a lot, anons.It's funny because in early editions of WF, Chaos was also "neutral", ofc there were evil-worshippers and the Gods were p.o.s, but there were also normal or even "good" people that worshipped them.Apparently, because by their own chaotic nature, depending of the psyche of the worshipper, the Gods could be "nice" and give good gifts>Khorne, god of honor and soldiers>Tzeentch, god of science and hope (aka progress, evolution)>Slaanesh, god of art and beauty>Nurgle, god of nature, life and growth
>>97534265I agree, it would be nice seeing something fresh for once. Some people are talking about TC, but for me is the same dystopian abrahamic alter-history that I saw in other franchises (which is pretty tiredsome) but its art is dope.Still exists the /vg/ thread from where you get it? Perhaps the original file indicates the franchise.
>>97534587>but for me is the same dystopian abrahamic alter-historyis that really that common though? I've seen the vibe on the internet, but I can't think of any media off the top of my head that actually does it. (trust me, as someone with chud-like tendencies, I don't want to call TC original)I've seen this with other types of media too where the idea is popular in fan communities so dudes say is unoriginal and boring but no actual piece of media does it.
>>97534647Perhaps not in quantity but it popularity>LotR>Dune >already mentionated TC >40k >Star Wars >Wheel of Time>Battlestar Galactica (I think the 2000s remake is the worst case of all) >Starcraft >WoW >Avatar (despite its "pagan-hippie" frame, it's pretty abrahamic) >the entire cyberpunk genre (aka, boomerpunk)All have the same pattern, humanity must summit to the higher power of that franchise, their "Yahwehs", if humanity tries to evolve by itself and see reality / nature as truly is, there will be no happy ending because "how humans dare evolve by itself?">What do you mean humans want to turn Pandora in Terra 2.0? NO, humans must lose.>What do you mean humans want immortality? Time to nuke Númenor. >What do you mean humans want to become Gods beyond space and time? NO, time to have the Butlerian Jihad (Dune) and AI sublevation (BSG, 40k).>What do you mean humans want to become better by understanding the vital force of the Universe? Time to destroy its civilizations (Star Wars and WoT). >What do you mean humans want to learn of other vital forces of reality? NO, they only lead to corruption, don't pay attention to the civilizations that were based on those "forces" (WoW).Etc, etc. I hope you see my point of view. There is no "Nimrodian" Epic where the focus is the constant evolution and triumph of Humanity.I don't know why, but many people dislike the "Humanity Fuck Yeah" theme, despite is underrated af, and prefer some masochistic stories about humans being the worst or the falling of human civilizations.
>>97534737I feel our definitions got crossed. When I saw "dystopian abrahamic alter-history" I was thinking blatant Christian themes and fights against Satan himself rather than deep seated cultural tropes, which yes, encompasses like 80% of western cultural output to the point of basically being a meaningless distinction.You did remind me about Narnia and Lewis's out of space trilogy, both of which are books rather than playable media however.
>CTRL + F OPR>Phrase not foundGod is in his heaven, all is right in the world
>>97534755I see. But I think it's the same in the end, you jave the same tropes, characters and factions but changing their names.Ok, perhaps in a cyberpunk game like Cyberpunk 2020, there is no a literal abrahamic conflict but in WoW or any other 80s-based high fantasy franchises you have Sargeras, Kil'jaeden, etc. which are literal Satans in all but in name, even with their own philosophies>Sargeras, the "Promethean Satan", he does evil to avoid an even worst evil (better have quick death by him than fall into the Void)>Kil'jaeden, the "mainstream Satan", does evil for the shake of it (killing Velen's followers)>same with each member of the Sith Triumvirate from KOTOR In TC, you have again the "mainstream Satan" that we have seen in a other medias; after eons Helel still hates humans being Yahweh's fav creation and was to do anything to show to Yah how pathetic and weak humans are (aka, Supernatural all over again).
>>97530953>>97533120truth nuke
>>97531292>which I think is a little too opitmistic on how good non corpos are , and too little pesimistic on how bad corpos are.yea that is why I added this part , anons plan only works if people are good faith about it , and corpos are the definition of bad faith.
>>97533120GW got so butthurt after the chapterpokalypse they removed so many codex entries next edition and now we have the no models, no rules policy, GW coping and seething.
>>97531194>it goes strangely underreportedMaybe because Nemesis started in 1980, Warhammer was first published in 1983 and 40k in 1987. Can't rip off in reversed chronological order.
>>97524714Or a job interview? It worked for Chaos League/Blood Bowl, after all.>>97533063More like I've just felt my age...
>>97533244Be warned: Nemesis the warlock directly crosses over with ABC Warriors/Robusters and has minor crossovers with Flesh and Judge Dredd (specifically the Cursed Earth storyline) so if you haven't read the first ABC Warriors story (The Meknificent Seven) things might get a bit confusing.
>>97534737I can more or less see where you're coming from, but it feels like reaching from my perspective fundamentally a story needs conflict and many of your examples are just that, introducing conflict into the settingLotR isn't grimdark by any stretch of imagination, humanity does win in many respects>many people dislike the "Humanity Fuck Yeah" themeI think mostly because it's gratuitous, a power fantasyand a bit of power fantasy is fine from time to time, but too much is just indulgence
>>97536490>ABC Warriors/RobustersWho are those? >The Meknificent SevenGonna check it.Thanks for the warning, anon, but I'm confused already.
>>97533120>>97536354Context, lore behind that?
>>97536557>fundamentally a story needs conflictI disagree about that. Sometimes a "feels good" chill story is enough.>many of your examples are just that, introducing conflict into the settingThe problem is that conflict always goes bad for the humans, not for the xenos.>LotR isn't grimdark by any stretch of imagination, humanity does win in many respects >check post-Third Age eras >magic is dead; humans are weaker; elves went to Valinor; wood elves, dwarfs and other creatures go extinct >the conclusion of Ilúvatar's perfect plan is to nuke Ëa during the 'Dagor Dagorath' ("Battle of all Battles")>during this last battle, Melkor finally dies because... don't ask questions just trust Ilúvatar>despite Ilúvatar can redeem Melkor, but chose not to keep "improving" his creation>then the 'Second Music of the Ainur'Unironically, LotR has a LOT of grimdark potential and again its "Yahweh" (Eru) is an abusive sadistic father (people complain about "daddy issues", I think the casue of it is the cultural abrahamism that we have been suffering for the last 2 millennia).>>many people dislike the "Humanity Fuck Yeah" theme>I think mostly because it's gratuitous, a power fantasy, too much is just indulgence As I said before, checking how masochistic are the majority of stories, I want and need more of "HFY". If it's done right, there should be no problem. The real problem is most writers today are terrible.
>>97536904NTA, but ABC Warriors/Robobusters are another 2000AD strip like Judge Dredd or Rogue TrooperIt's about a band of robots, I guess it can be compared to Transformers in some ways ill admit it's a strip I know very little about
>>97536910GW released codex with unit entries that didn't have models. Often, just one piece of vague black and white art. Third party company Chapterhouse makes resin sculpts based on this vague art and sells them. GW is busy issuing DMCA takedown notices to lots of third party sellers at the time, but Chapterhouse gets a probono lawyer so can afford to follow their DMCA into court instead of just rolling over. GW's legal team is woefully under-prepared because they weren't expecting any of their notices to ever actually see a courtroom. They made extremely broad claims, even \ things like Roman Numerals and Chevrons were part of their intellectual property.Everything that isn't specific gets thrown out and afterwards GW hurriedly made changes to their stuff to be more specific and possible to actually claim copyright on. It's why all the units and factions now have lost generic common names for stupid names like "Orruks", almost all the stuff without models that you were expected to convert got ripped out and so on. Really fucked stuff up. GW's own fault too.
>>97536965>ABC WarriorsI know they were going for badassbut all I can think of is these guys teaching you the alphabetin a badass way
>>97537086Just to add to this: what really put Chapterhouse on radar was that they didn't play the usual game. They weren't selling (for instance) "Tank Doors for Space Dragon Knights", instead they'd sell "Salamander Chapter Rhino Hatches".There was also an older case involving the Chaos Dwarfs. The army book had a picture of a sorcerer riding a lammasu, I think it was, but the mini wasn't out at the time. Some French(?) lads then rushed out their own version that was basically an exact copy of the art (and don't forget this is before 3D printing), and IIRC the judgement was that the copyright for that model was now the French sculptors, not GW's. Art =/= model. This is really the root of all those complaints as to why GW art now is just effectively drawings of the model and hidden until release. No more "wouldn't it be cool if..." pieces.
>>97537281All that autism so that GW won't miss out on 0,000% sales (they don't sell the products these competitors make)
>>97523959Is no one gonna actually post what they got in trouble for. This is just blatantly a csm with a mk7 head, backpack and shoulders
>>97534541>You can do non-40k grimdark and make it popular. TC being the prime exampleThat's because it's not aping 40k, it's aping fantasy
>>97523959GW blatantly rips off other shit for 40k anyway
Imma seize the opportunity and /r/equest: all chapter house product pics
>>97537086>>97537281Thanks anon, GW going bankrupt would be an awesome new, sadly they're backup by Blackrock and Vanguard.
>>97536965Thank you very much, anon.There should be a pinned thread with all this cool franchises, comics, authors, books, etc. I always find new ones but I forget about them or few people know about them, so there's no much to talk about them.
>>97537349nobody cares GW has stolen so much from other IPs
>>97523959>ArchcastWhy are you shilling this insufferable faggot? He should've been bullied into suicide decades ago
>>97523959>Meanwhile this fattard nordcuck still so mad about Trench Crusade that wants GW suing them.https://youtu.be/7moxqmpj-uE?si=5aVlo7zC0cr64t03Is this the retard that got banned from their discord once and hasn't shut up about it for a year?How is it possible to seethe this much
>>97537349Meanwhile GW blatantly rips off the emperor from Dune and space marines from Star Wars stormtroopers lol
>>97537349To be honest, the first time I saw it I thought it was a Plague Marine.>>97538403Kek.>>97538591Yes, he's that retard and apparently it's possible to stay seething, that's what happens when consoom current cultural war thing is your only purpose in life.>>97538782>space marines from Star Wars stormtroopersI'm gonna stop you right there. Stormtroopers are lame af and their armor is totally different.
>>97536965ABC Warriors is a weird one. It really starts off as just slightly edgy war stories which were pretty popular in boy's comics at a time, just with a sci-fi twist. But it gets really strange when we start getting into the Mars arc where the whole order vs. chaos thing becomes pretty prominent in this strip too.Ultimately I'd say it's hit-or-miss and especially later I think Pat Mills fell off pretty hard and I don't rate Clint Langley's art for comics much, so I tuned out before more recent stuff.It does have the coolest robot ever made as one of the main group. And Blackblood is pretty fun too.
>>97539809Did any Pat Mills comic stay constantly good?
>>97523959The game has actual space marines. You’re just being disingenuous.
>>97539809NTA but it does come a bit back after the Kaos arc stuff once they go back to Mars. They not only reintroduce The Mess as his original incarnation of Steelhorn, they eventually tie ABC Warriors into the continuities of Ro-Busters and Savage! to form an overarching narrative of the ABC Warriors being forced to fight for the freedom of robotkind with Mars as its battleground. It's a bit overly self-referential at that point, but it's still at least much more interesting and less confusing than whatever point Pat Mills was trying to make in their whole Kaos shit. To a point, though.And I agree, Deadlock is the fucking coolest.
>>97539845uhhhhhh no lol. Recent Slaine was awful last time I looked. But you have to love him for the good stuff.
>>97539670The space marines are stormtroppers in gay pride colors with darth vader's mouth piece lol
>>97539670>Stormtroopers are lame af and their armor is totally different.Space marine literally wear Stormtropper shoulder pads in retarded size.
This is why you base your company in China away from jews.
>>97538782A-are you retarded
>>97540295Which is funny, because Soi Wars is the franchise full of canonically gay main characters and an overwhelmingly LGBTQ+ fanbase. Goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover!
>>97523959they knew what they were doing. they tip toed too close to the edge and got smacked for it. Good for GW
>>97541339>Which is funny, because Soi Wars is the franchise full of canonically gay main characters and an overwhelmingly LGBTQ+ fanbase.Yeah, and even funnier when the franchise of stolen IPs end up doing the same thing.
>>97541555You're missing every novel featuring the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels
>>97540295>>97540317>mouth and shoulder pads that exist in many franchises before Star Wars, based IRL armors (Vader / stormie are based in Wehrmacht and samurai)>"uh ah akhsually space marines are a copy of stormies"
>>97537281>There was also an older case involving the Chaos Dwarfs. The army book had a picture of a sorcerer riding a lammasu, I think it was, but the mini wasn't out at the time. Some French(?) lads then rushed out their own version that was basically an exact copy of the art (and don't forget this is before 3D printing), and IIRC the judgement was that the copyright for that model was now the French sculptors, not GW's. Art =/= model.You got a sauce for that? Because that makes absolutely zero sense.
>>97543031>already copingconcession accepted
>>97530953Chaos is actually not just Moorcock but also Runequest which did the Beastmen thing before Warhammer did. Warhammer couldn't exist at all if it wasn't for the ripping off of other IPs so on one hand I understand protecting your IP but on the other hand it feels pretty flaccid coming from James.
>>97523959OP is retarded
>>97538591He really really obsessed over it as the best thing ever.And people who genuinely believe the 'woke threat' is real or insidious, are typically people who live in their own fantasy bubble of delusion.So when he got kicked for /pol/posting (which I was around to watch, lol), and apparently being overly-presumptuous with the devs about how he could 'make their game more famous', it's kinda natural that he didn't own his minor fuckup, but spiraled into delusion about how everyone else was evil and bad for basically just rejecting him.
>>97545895Honest questions, what /pol/posting did he? How could he make the game more famous? This retard has been sperging out the game for over a year and nothing happened.Also, funny how in his "crusade" for good franchises and stories, he has NEVER done a promotion of a niche cool, new or old, IP.
>>97543377Having just exhausted my google-fu, in all honesty, no. Mea culpa. It's something I read about near the time which I probably misunderstood and it wouldn't surprise me if I'm mixing up two, three, four different cases.Now, I don't believe that my brain is just making this shit up precisely because 2D art not automatically getting 3D copyright does sound outlandish, especially for Disney et al, so it must have stuck in my head for a reason, but, again, it's been years and I'm not getting any younger, so...
>>97545895Woke undermines merit, so it is objectively bad and a threat. Enjoy the competency crisis hope your next airplane driver isn't a black lesbian woman. If you do not take woke at face value you are probably a libtard or leftoid.
>>97524645It isn't even proven that GW have ownership over artistic or aesthetics of their IP. No one is able to cite a source for it, and there is even evidence to the contrary. The only thing that came from Chapterhouse was that Trademark/Copyright was enforceable which has nothing to do with that. They are coasting on abuse of the legal system at the moment because no one wants to waste money fighting it. It is possible that their legal case in Spain against Ghamak is actually going to set precedent against them and hopefully bite them in the ass.
>>97546517He basically>Joined the discord.>Confirmed via react that he agreed to three rules, one of which was "No discussing religion, politics, or irl stuff here. This discord is for TC".They have a hard, ZERO tolerance policy for this, given TC's a "black metal horror" setting, greatly inspired off of a lot of historic geographic groups and religious faiths>And then went."Wow guys I'm so glad to be here! And it's great to see what's happening. Especially with how woke and leftist and corporate Games Workshop ^tm is going, with how it's forgetting it's setting to make it more comfortable for normies, it's good to see people here who take a stand against that sort of thing...">And kinda went on from there.Not the worst /pol/posting you could get, in fairness, but it was almost straight out the gate, and there is a zero tolerance policy to anything of the sort there.I'm pretty respectful and considered myself, and I got a warning for IIRC drifting too far about discussing how best to homebrew Judaism, and if they should be Hell or Heaven aligned (theological difference regarding 'it's a theological right to use demons' vs 'are you kidding me, look at what they're doing').>How could he make the game more famous?Now tbqh, I wasn't privy to this part, but apparently he went to PM Tuomas and/or Mike, and said something to the effect of "I really like what you two have done with this. But if you want it to get any bigger than this you're going to need publicity. I'm a kinda famous e-celeb and youtuber, so how about you cut me in on a percentage of the profits from sales, and I advertise TC to get it the fame and attention it otherwise wouldn't get."Initially when I heard this I didn't fully believe it myself. But after seeing more of him I have less of a struggle believing he'd both be that presumptuous to say something like that, and so stupid as to not know the duo were industry legends in their own right.
>>97546517>in his "crusade" for good franchises and stories, he has NEVER done a promotion of a niche cool, new or old, IP.I wrote a whole post about this in another thread (because I take things too seriously), about this.To sum it up, finding a "non woke, cool IP" is an impossible ask, as, because a cool IP requires creativity in its creation, and detail to flush it out, you can always find something to call "woke" in it.'Woke' is a slang term for 'awake' or 'aware', which is something you need to an extent to be creative.As such, an exertion of creativity will leave a bit of woke somewhere.You can hunt forever, but you can always point at something woke in any moderately successful IP. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference, where someone likes something so much, they don't care to hunt for grains of woke, which was what happened to Arch with Trench Crusade.>But why don't they make one then?They've tried. I've been involved in a few.But it's like asking a techpriest to make something new, when creation to them is a godly act, and as such, techno-heresy if they do it.You either get them giving up quickly, as they realize all the woke, pozzed shit they hated has found its way into their setting because that's just creative process, and that disturbs them. Or you get something so profoundly sloppa and derivative of something else that there's no point in touching it.>>97548294In the event you're not a bot, you can never find the truth about ANYTHING by looking at face values.
>>97534541>TC>popularkek, you should do standup mate.
>>97548640>Woke' is a slang term for 'awake' or 'aware', which is something you need to an extent to be creative.>As such, an exertion of creativity will leave a bit of woke somewherebullshit. woke is a cult for useful idiots to commies>>all the woke, pozzed shit they hated has found its way into their setting because that's just creative process, and that disturbs theminsane
>>97543377It does actually. Corporations have really brainbroken normal people about what IP law actually says and does, and they keep getting away with it simply by virtue of the fact they can afford to bury anyone who wants to fight in lawyers and anyone who looks like they might actually win with cash settlements.When you create a work of art you own the COPYrights to *that work of art*, not every possible expression of every conceptual element in every possible medium that you included. You can attain *some* broader protections by trademarking *some* categories of elements of the work if those are unique enough, but you can't just draw a picture of a man in sci-fi armour and then strut around for the rest of time suing everyone who creates something even vaguely similar. If you are using art as part of a process to create a mass produced product, ie concept art, then the conceptual basis of that design taken as a whole falls under Design Rights which are waaaaaaaaay more limited than Copyright or even Trademarks including in terms of the time you are allowed to exclusively control them(let's just say there's actually a good reason GW did Primaris and then redesigned all the Heresy products, at least from their perspective).1/2...
>>97543377>>975488532/2...If I draw a picture and put it online, and you see that picture and think "oh wow cool" and make a sculpture of it, you do in fact own the copyright on that sculpture. Fully own it. It doesn't give you any right over the piece of art I originally created, but neither do I have any rights over your individual artistic expression of the concept. This is what people need to wrap their noggin around: you own THAT WORK, not every possible expression of the concepts for all time. So long as you don't misuse any Trademarks I also own(which is where Chapterhouse fell down - not *using* Trademarks but in some cases *mis*using them; "X Thingumibob" instead of the permitted "Thingumybob compatible with X by Y") or imply some connection between our work that might confuse a hypothetical legal Rational Person, you've done nothing wrong. In law there IS a difference between someone tracing a painting or recasting a miniature, and someone using a painting as inspiration for a sculpture or even sculpting their own version of a previously existing sculpture(which as said could potentially infringe Design Rights or Trademarks, but so long as it is not a *duplicate* of the original not Copyright).
>>97548849I'd ask you to define woke, cult, and commie without using any nouns, and using proper grammar, but I already know they mean the same thing to you.That being the spoopy 'other' people that are a threat to your way of life, whilst being in your life.If you rub two brain cells together, you'll figure out that they're scary bad wrongthink people because of the same reason. They've been 'woke', in that they've looked at things creatively, and met at an idea or concept different than the one you value.
Another common fashgitz space king W.
>>97548597I do not understand why he ever thought TC was a trad right wing thing.
>>97531292except were talking about this voidwar slop, pick your battles.
>>97524142Lol GW copied almost everything you moron
>>97541555The Emperor Expects you to suck cock and take it up the ass . . . by choice!
>>97541555Yeah due to blackrock shareholders and writers who push their politics into the books, only a loud minority asked for this who are tourists since they do not care about the setting.
>>97548640Why do you call me a bot?
>>97548640You cannot even define woke properly, your snowflake gaslighting definition is irrelevant.
>>97548597Why homebrew Judaism, are you jewish yourself? Does Islam have representation in Trench Crusade?
>>97541339>Soi WarsI can already tell just from this that this poster is a culture-war brained loser and nobody should pay attention to what he says.
>>97553577>do not care about the setting>caring about the 40k settingLmao, 40k is the original slop, as proven by multiple posts in this thread
>>97533328>Chaos is neutral, I guess, in NtW, like Nemesis himself is a bit of a dick, and his entire race of Aliens are at best amoral and self-centredYeah. But the Termights are worse. Torquemada makes it really easy to cheer for Nem even when he's being a dipshit.
>>97554070Torquemada is at least very entertaining to watch
>>97554070>>97554140>Torquemada Spaniard Inquisitor reference? Nice.
>>97560037The original, in fact. They did the right thing on doubling down every potential step in making Torquemada an evil piece of shit by having him be the reincarnation of some of the worst people in history, starting from the original Spaniard Inquisitor. His sheer pettiness and shameless sense of evil is one of the best parts of Nemesis the Warlock.
>>97536949>RRREEEEE I HATE ERU MELKOR DID NOTHING WRONG*flush*
>>97536949>people complain about "daddy issues", I think the casue of it is the cultural abrahamism that we have been suffering for the last 2 millennia).lol pagans are retarded
>>97560152He even meets the original Torqumada who really doesn't like him
>>97560541
>>97560152>>97560701Interesting, thanks.
>>97560701>He even meets the original Torqumada who really doesn't like himWhere can I see this?
>>97565108It's in Volume 4 of Nemesis in the story arc, the Two Toqumadas.
>>97565108It’s in one of the later arcs, The Two Torquemadas. It’s actually a bit interesting in that part if what made the original turn so evil was seeing how depraved and insane his future self was and realizing that all of his pretensions of following God’s will was just an excuse for his own sadistic tendencies.
