>Hashut in WF>minor Chaos God that raises to greatness by the power of mass-scale production and Dwarf's Faustian Spirit>Hashut in AoS>Dwarf's Ancestral God that was good but was so simp and nice guy that became an incel (Chaos God), specially against his sister Valaya 'the Foid'>possible time travel (not confirmed yet, since time does not exist in the Warp; this cliche NEVER has worked and will never work)
I dunno go to your general
>>97533101??
>>97533007Based, sounds like a huge improvement. No wonder Helsmiths of Hashut sold out while TOW continues to flop.
>>97533007How is this going to affect playing the game?
>>97533248>TOW? >huge improvementWhy?
>>97533255I enjoy more the lore than the actual gameplay. And GW can't stop retconning everything they revisit.
>>97533007>>97533262Hashut's origins in fantasy were never really explored, and I think it's once explicitely mentioned that they're not sure what exactly he is. The possibility of him being some sort of fallen or corrupted ancestor god was discussed on forums in the early 00's.As for his aos incarnation he seemed to have always been a cunt even before turning to chaos.Also aos and fantasy are for all intents and purposes two different settings, let's be real. Even if they're technically connected "changes" in the one don't really affect the other too much.
>>97533007Hashut's origin was never clear in Fantasy and it ranged from "evil ancestor god" to "aspect of khorne"And in AoS his fluff sounds like it's coming from a blatantly unreliable narrator
>>97533423>aspect of khornefunny, not so long ago a guy from my local gaming circle told me of a Total War theory saying that Hashut are just Slaanesh and Tzeentch in a trenchcoat, just like how the Hornet Rat is just Nurgle's furry cosplaypersonally I prefer things outside the big four just being left undefined. Hyper detailing the fluff is just autistic hyperfyxation disguised as actual world building>>97533007AoS is shit, and its lore is absolute, liquid shit. You should be ashamed of yourself for making a threat about this topic instead of taking it to its general
>>Dwarf's Ancestral God bla bla...I dunno if you're just too illiterate to notice the army book saying that's simply what the chorfs believe while implying that it's just their narcissism speaking, or if you did notice and are just trolling now, but either way you're a retarded sack of shit.
>>97533423>>97533497It is kind of funny how many people are just incapable of realizing an unreliable narrator no matter how obvious they try to make it
>>97533662I think thats why 40k has been removing the mystery of its setting. People are just too retarded.
>>97533007AoS version of him works a lot better because he just doens't have enough unique things about him to be a chaos entity separate from Khorne.Now you can at least have a debat over who is the real dwarf because with Hashut as either 1) The actual #1 dwarf god banished by his lessers who feared his power 2) 2nd rate godling that wanted to be Lucifer/Morgoth and be more important than he was.We are asking what the truth is and what is the destiny of the dwarfkind, rather than having obvious good team vs bad team
>>97533262I enjoy pastries.And the weather is getting colder.
>>97533397>>97533423>>97533466>>97533817I get your points and I'm not a big fan of AoS myself, but Hashut (at least for me) was so cool because appeared out of nowhere and became a true challenge for Order and other Chaos Gods.And it's tiredsome how every time I found a cool "Z2H" ('zero to hero', in this case 'dæmon to god') characters then there is a retcon about who he actially has a glorious past, ancestry, previos life, etc. We have this cliche since even before Hellas, and with Roma was even worst >peasant town rise to became the only power of the Mediterranean Sea, which becames the 'Mare Nostrum' >actually Roma was so powerful because it descendent from Æneas of TroySometimes, the 'humble origins' are more epic than the 'glorious / archaic forgotten past' trope.
>>97534651I dont think you know what retcon mean.
>>97533662Yeah, I mean... fucking hell. The battletome straight up tells us that Hashut was a god that came to the Helsmiths-to-be and groomed them into accepting a faustian bargain. And it tells us the chorfs are too arrogant and stubborn to admit they're servants of chaos, even as their fangs grow and their eyes glow. And it does all of that before any of the bits told from the helsmith's PoV where they claim Hashut's their ancestor.It's a subtle as a fucking bull centaur charge if you just read the fucking book, but I guess that might be the problem. Maybe some wiki or lore video bungled it all up, and so here the kids are with all sorts of retarded ideas?
>>97534781>Have daemons shackled within infernal machines>Sell weapons to chaos warbands>Become physically and mentally corrupted>Forsake the other dwarf gods altogether>A cult of might makes right where the weak are ground to dust by the machinations of the strong>"I'm not a chaos worshipper, sigmarchud, I'm enlightened by my ancestor god, Hashut, who was betrayed by his jealous siblings yet still stands strong">Grand Alliance: ChaosReal brain burner
>>97534806So which Hashut's lore is best, WF or AoS?
>>97534806It's like when Dark Elfs used to openly have Khorne symbols, yet not considered themselves chaos elfs
>>97533007All chaos gods should have delicious nipple ring piercings.
>>97536954Man, I totally forgot about this one. I swear, Oldhammer art looks so cool.>yet not considered themselves chaos elfs It kinda was the point of Chaos (in early editions), it's so chaotic that you can be in and out depending of the contenxt and convenience. Now it's just all that is anti-Order and not only evil but disgusting.
>>97538165No.
Bump for Hashut.
>>97543017Bump x2.
>>97543017>>97546519Literally why? OP shit isn't news, it happened months ago and people already stated their mild opinions about the irrelevant topic that is hashut lore
>>97543017>>97546519Can you tell us how this will affect gameplay?
>>97546545Some total war zoomer who didn't want his thread to die I guess
did the artist really had to give an evil demon lord suckable nipples and a strongfat belly? I'm not gay, I just notice these things.
>>97536954The good ol days. Man modern Warhammer is so gay
All of this pales when next to the poor decision making that lead to beardless dwarfs.
>>97536954Warhammer used to be so fucking metal.
>>97533397The sooner that any official connection between the settings is broken and both games are allowed to be their own thing with no reference to the other, the happier that every player of both is going to be.
>>97548667lorelet
>>97546597A good way to keep the thread alive would be to talk about how this will actually affect playing the game.
>>97548564The artist is likely gay.
>>97548712GW will never, ever do this for the same reason they'd never shitcan AoS unless it became a genuine millstone-tier megaflop in future: it would require them to accept and acknowledge that blowing Real Fantasy up in the first place was a mistake. That even if they wanted or even needed to make AoS, the way they handled the transition was petty and spiteful and almost certainly unnecessarily so.Between the egos of the faggots who write the "lore" these days and the fact GW is now a fully corporate creature, that will never happen in a million years - both breeds consider accountability and self-reflection to be poison.
>>97549857The people in charge now aren't the people in charge then.
>>97548796"I've always been retarded" is not the dunk you think it is.
>>97551800>men have facial hair>women don't>this is retardedLol don't try to crawl away now little secondary. You got caught not knowing wtf you're talking about.
>>97533101if you want discussion cordoned off in insulated subreddits, you should be there, this is 4chan
>>97536954Oh hey, speaking of ACTUALLY shitty retcons-can't believe we went from Dark Elves being spiteful failures to hardliner Dark Elves actually being the most faithful representation of true wartime Nagarythe culture and Morathi being a jilted widow who never got over Aenarion seeing her as a pump and dump who just dropped literally all her plans to try to be with him reincarnated in Tyrion's body instead of the ruthless, unfettered opportunist knowingly dooming the entire species for Chaos gibs.
>>97536954Bitch on the right looks so goofy lmao, the pseudo-grog praise for this shit is so performative.
>>97553886zoomies will never understand
>>97548667>>97551800>fakegrog exposed>n-nuh uhkwab
>>97553492Human women don't have facial hair your mother not withstanding not so for the mighty dwarfwife. Though it is irrelevant when this is clearly a beardless male axeman.>>97554049Shit writting doesn't become good just because it was published while you were between the ages of nine and fifteen.
>>97554556Lunch lady phenotype
>>97554556>this is clearly a beardless male axeman.It isn't thoughbeitever.I also don't know why female dwarfs not having beards is "shit writing" to you, it's not even really "writing" it just *is* within the warhammer universe. Sounds to me like you got caught being a little lorelet who only gobbles up whatever headcanon sloptubers told you and now you're desperately trying to pivot lol.
>>97533662Normies and autists have one thing in common: reading only the surface level details. Subtext and implication to them are like air to a fish.
>>97533007How can one thing in one setting retcon something in another? Take your fucking meds anon.
>>97554593What fucking pivot? I have only criticised one thing, shitty beardless dwarfs. Cope harder.
>>97533007>AoS
>>97549784What if you are not interested in the gameplay, but in the lore?
>>97560027>/tg/ - Traditional Lore
>>97560027>>>/aosg/
>>97560049>>97560249
>>97533007I dont get the point of minor chaos gods. If you have the choice of worshipping a god, why would you ever not just worship the most powerful? At least with the main 4 ones, its not always entirely clear which is the most powerful one.
>>97557844And you've never defended your opinion on why beardless dwarf women is a bad thing. As the dissenting opinion, it is your place to defend it.
>>97563574Sometimes you want something more bespoke. Someone who can corrupt you and your relatives personally rather than delegating it.>>97563754>explain to me why eating human shit is badLmao.
>>97563754Don't bother, he doesn't really hold any opinions, he's just here to be annoying and grandstand. A true autist would explain in detail what about dwarf women not having beards makes him seethe so much, but this one is just a secondary so he can't do that.
>>97560049This kind of posters is the worst kind of cancer /tg/ currently has
>>97564406Why do you think it's human shit?
