Owlcats next game will be set in the warhammer fantasy universe and will be based on enemy within. Rejoice niggers and gays
Really? to me it seems like they are trying to distance themselves from warhammer games. Also even if they were to make a game for fantasy ( and not aos), it would be for the old world. Either way all their games have been dogshit so I dunno why this is even on /tg/. take it to /v/.
>>97537267owlcat->dogshitcucklet you failed miserably. After larian owlcat is the best crpg maker out there
>>97537287>After larian owlcat is the best crpg maker out thereI know the crpg scene is grim but thats honestly horrible to hear. Its a good thing i've moved on from video games.
Yeah okay, source?
>>97537341in anons dreams. Owl cat is already working on like 2-3 other games that have no association with dark heresy or whatver its called so they already have their hands tied for a good while. Admittedly the Japanese game looks the most interesting but I don't expect it to be working on day 1.
>>97537235>OwlScat
owlshat
>>97537287each owlcat game has been utter dogshit in one way or the other, and barely reaching a 7/10 years after release with countless much needed fixesyeah there aren't a lot of new crpgs released, I get itit's not a reason to lower the bar to your ankles... where it will get pissed and shat on
>>97537235Enemy Within is dogshit. Probably the most overhyped module to ever exist.
>>97537235Not sure Owlcat would be well-suited to WFRP imo
>>97537235Nothing is sacred...yet again C7 did a number on their version, so it's only burning an already burnt pile of crap at this point.Can't wait for the black woman noble soldier scolar lesbian to slap Ar-Ulric in the face 'Religion is wrong you old white man!'
>>97537471The first one is pretty rail-roaded, the second and third, less so, the Horned Rat is horrible and the new Empire in ruins is shit, most of it is the PCs sitting down aand watching a scene and giving a comment to an NPC when prompted to.All that buzz about making the Princess less of a dumb blonde only to have her be some political wedding tool, get killed (or not) and then th rest of the book doesn't mention her (since she must die)
>>97537471This. The only good thing ever to come out of that campaign is the James Wallis' angry rebuttal to the guy who's mad that the module railroaded his boat into getting burnt.
>>97537267>to me it seems like they are trying to distance themselves from warhammer gamesThey're literally making Dark Heresy.
Wow, looking forward to it.
Wish they would make an original setting instead of hammerslop
>>97537287CRPGs are all kind of shit. Oddly enough the only one I enjoyed was Temple of Elemental Evil because of how focused it was on dudes just completing a dungeon run instead of quirky characters, story telling, and other bullshit.
>>97542070yes and its likely their last one.
>>97542514I think they are, it's just not been announced yet
>>97542079>larian encounter design >cheese the encounter with grease flasksWow. I love it so much.
>>97542079To be fair to Owlcat, they are using Pathfinder design principles pretty accurately. Paizo just happens to have incredibly shitty adventure and encounter designs.
>>97542079Sad but true. Encounter design is pretty much the one and only thing Larian does better than Owlcat, though.
>>97544140I'll give them credit for not shitting on Monks at least. Taking tavern brawler and you are adding strength and dexterity modifiers to attack and damage. Pop a giant's strength potion and you got a son of bitch tearing ass across an open field and pummeling everything but a boss to death in one turn.
>>97537235If they don't give me a druchii waifu i will mail them aids, god bless.
>>97544081God I hope so.
Why would they pick a setting with no blacks besides pygmies?>>97537287A friend showed me Rogue TraderIt played like Fallout where at the start you can't pass any skill checks but after a certain point you, your companions, and your alignment chart let you do every skill check>>97542079>larian: hitman map (skill checks not required)>owlcat: baby's first combat RPGBoth of these are bad
>>97546850nah, only owlcat is bad
>>97546857I don't see how larian's isn't badThere's no role playing in a hitman map
>>97546899because you're retarded
>>97546914(You)
>>97546850We both know they'll dump black women in the Empire, since for them it's 'fantasy' so everything and anything goes.Similar to 40k, where one planet=one culture, now everyone is race mixed, meaning they spend the last 10k year repoducing solely with their own skin tones..and it's always black woman who leads, despite any of them never doing anything worhty in real life.
>>97546857Ah, so you're just a fan of gay animal fucking, gotcha. That does explain your absolutely abysmal taste.
>>97546857but yo mama good so we keep her quality time if you catch ma drift son
>>97537471Honestly this. Enemy Within DOES have some neat scenes and concepts scattered around it, but the overall story somehow manages to both be fairly railroady and almost completely lack a sensible narrative structure. It feels as if for majority of time writing it, the authors either forgot or couldn't exactly decide what their super long and complex campaign was even supposed to be about. It's a fucking mess that's saved only by having enough cool and memorable scenes to make it an enjoyable mess
>>97537471 >>97548690So true, I got lured into it after every thread under the sun called it "the best campaign". I committed my party to three years of play before we called it quits. (my bad for not reading the books in advance, after death on the Reik it turns into cutscene gameplay)C7 took a 30 year old property, hired the same writer who made 0 changes, added a bunch of black characters and didn't even bother adding any reasonable hooks between the books that would connect the adventure.
>>97537235I dunno ask /v/
>>97537287>After larianBearsex Gape 3 is ass
>>97548690>>97548716If you want a premade long, complex campaign in WHFRPG that involves a big investigation into some cultist conspiracy you'll probably be much better off just reskining one of the CoC campaigns to WHF. I did that a few times and it worked surpisingly well. And CoC actually does have good published scenarios and campaigns, I'm in the middle of running MoN right now and it's genuinely great. It's sad that The Enemy Within doesn't really have any proper competition for a long complex Warhammer campaign. I'm failry certain this is the main reason why it's even so acclaimed in the first place. There's Doomstones, but this one has a whole heap of other issues. Anything else, really?Even WH40k RPG systems have some very good published campaigns despite being way more niche
>>97537287owlcat isn't great but it's better than larian. Honestly crpgs are just fucking horrible atm. greedfall 1 was decent (needed a lot of work but had potential) but 2 seems to put the nail in the coffin for that series.
>>97548952I can't take you seriously if you claim Greedfall is better than Larian and Owlcat.
>>97549766not him but I find larian on par with greedfall. I legit dont have a single thought on owlcat. They're just boring.
>>97537323I have negative Nancy man child fatigue
>>97549785>have negative Nancy man child fatigueThen move on from warhammer. And video games.
>>97549804>t. Nogames negative Nancy
>>97549855you have to be a negative nancy to be affiliated as someone who plays the games.
>>97537235That's awesome. The only major dripe I'd have would be the contradicting fluff.Not to say that Owlcat would make the mistake on their own, but that Fantasy itself has contradictions in itself. WFB may state something or include a factoid, where as WRPG could say otherwise, and even another licensed product might say a different thing. In this aspect of fluff cohesion, I think 40k is marginally better.
>>97549766I am not saying it was better I was saying it seemed like a series with potential to be good but the second one is showing that potential is gone.
>>97551659I'll also add that greedfall is better than bg3.
>>97551679i've never played bg3 so I cant really contest that.
I actually liked Rogue Trader. So when I finished it I picked up Wrath of the Righteous. Just a few minutes in, we run into the boss-lady linterracial lesbain couple and the evil greedy white man. Is it possible to go full "evil" in this one so I can kill all of the characters?
>>97552502You can fuck everyone with bugs.
>>97552502The couple are from the AP, as is Horgus Gwerm, who is not evil, in fact he's one of the companions of the AP. If you were gonna complain, it should have been about Camellia.
>>97552510>Camellia.shes one of the only good characters from owlcat.
>>97552502>Calls Horgus GreedyThey near immediately after meeting him make it clear he's heavily invested in supporting the crusade, but doesn't want to be seen doing it publicly. He's a bit of a dick but he's absolutely not greedy.>>97552530I would have liked Horgus and Aravashnial to remain characters instead personally.
>>97552502How is Gwerm greedy? Because he is rich? He is a bit of a stuck up but he is generally a nice man. He just a bit anti social.I actually really love Owlcat's game and I think WotR is better than BG3. Owlcat have stronger writing than Larian in my opinion.
>>97542079Context is what matters.Unlike Obsidian and Larian Owlcat still knows the laws of genre.So when plot needs to give protagonist a boon it doesn't give you some silly +1 bonus to roll and goes straight to God-modehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPJGN20Ey_4A shame we didn't have much moments in RT. They actually should've made something with companions as well.
>>97552927Going from Kingmaker to Wrath means going directly from the Lantern Kings Curse to Mythic Power as a story debuff/buff and that is Wild.
>>97549922>40k>fluff cohesionlmao
>>97552960Unironically 40k is more cohesive than fantasy is. There are like 6-7 different interpretations of the setting for all the wrong reasons.
>>97552970>There are like 6-7 different interpretations of the settingWhich are?
sign me up for any crpg in warhammer fantasy fuck yeah
Larian combat design is at least interesting. The issues mostly come down to them working on dogshit systems like d&d and rogue trader which just are fundamentally broken, so on some level they have to give you easy outs in encounters to avoid making them fucking slogs Owl cat has the opposite issue where they usually work on pathfinder where balance is razor thin so on the higher difficulties shit just fucking rolls you instantly if you don’t build a bullshit, and that usually involves at least one guy spamming buffs on the party. What makes that inexcusable however is their over reliance on ambush encounters with no way at all to tell it’s going to happen where your squishy buff caster gets focused immediately and dies before you can even react. Then it does this six more times in some random fuck off area. There are no trash fun or easy encounters in an owlcat game but if you know what you’re doing they all become easy, so they rely too much on assuming you’re at full power all the time and design every encounter to be a high lethal one. And when there is no interesting or novel way to solve the encounter except “hit them harder than they hit you” it really drags the game down.
>>97552960Don't laugh, I'm being serious. Yes, WRPG has contributed a lot to expanding certain parts of the fluff, and wankers like Andy Law do deserve some praise for it. But they have also contributed to plenty of confusion and contradiction, particularly when WFB makes expansions and revisions of the lore on their own. Additionally, when other products besides these two do make their own efforts to explore the lore, the idiots designing WRPG simply ignore it (as if ignoring lore from Fantasy Battles wasn't bad enough).>picrel as an implicit example
>>97559227not as familiar with RT combat system but d20 based systems like 5e and pf1 are just pure dogshit for combat focused games. honestly the less combat these games have the better if they pick such a bad system. As you said the prebuffing shit in pf is so boring you'd have to have strong autism to enjoy it. bg3 you are just so strong you roll combat instantly so you notice it less.
>>97546857DnDrone who never played DOS or any of their other horrible games. Larians encounter design is based on making you happy you managed to plug incredibly easy solutions into barely threatening problems like throwing a fucking water barrel onto a fire hahaha christ. Then you get to enjoy their superior combat design that includes plugging away at 2 HP pools. >owlkekPlays like I would expect Russian Cypriots to play dnd 3.5 after 20y of 3pp nonsense
>>97559702>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE END TIMES SHIT LORELil bro has shit taste.
>>97559227And then you get idiots like this who think Larian made RT and owlcat did BG2 or something what the fuck. Isnt this the traditional games board? Now we just get retarded twitter posters like puckee to spam misinfo all day
>>97559843No one has mentioned End Times lore except (you). Are you alluding to GW's (ridiculous) decision to retcon Storm of Chaos & subsequent material for the End Times? or are you implying that games like Vermintide 1 & 2 can't possibly be held in consideration for lore (since it's set during the ET)?Either way, to everyone's displeasure, it would be something that Owlcat would have to include if needed.Although I doubt it would come to that. I'd be admired if their crpg was set so close to the ET; it will either be during the first decade and a half of Karl Franz's rule, or it will be set in TOW's timeframe to capitalise on both the Warhammer and the latest RPG.
>>97559227>>97559760Owlcat's vidya has basically nothing to do with the tabletop Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy mechanics. It's a completely different system that works basically 100% differently. The only common thing is the attribute names and D100 roll under tests (but even those don't work exactly the same).Don't get me wrong, it was a good call - I love 40k RPGs, but the system wouldn't work well for a video game. But the fact is, it's only an adaptation of the lore/story convention, not the mechanics
>>97559899(cont.) Or it might have been set during TOW, if Owlcat's game isn't so strictly based on the original Enemy Within.*
>>97559702I think you have this exactly backwards. WFRP generally (not always) tries to adhere to current WFB background. It's the GW studio who run fucking roughshod over previous material.Andy Law, whatever you think of him, does try very hard to harmonise all the existing material into something cohesive.
>>97559702>A 30 year old module can't keep its lore straight when compared to modern warhammer which constantly has new lore shit out to justify whatever new product they're trying to sellNo shit
>>97559920TOWRPG is less well-suited to being adapted to a computer game than WFRP is
Enemy Within isn't a good campaign. The premise of the entire campaign is basically "Warhammer Fantasy: The Manchurian Candidate". Basically the idea is, chaos cultists are trying to slowly poison the Emperor while turning his heir (his nephew) into a Chaos cultist. Keep in mind that the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy has an electoral system where the Elector Counts and members of the Clergy vote and decide who gets to be the next Emperor. So naturally the cultists are also manipulating the election. Sounds good right? The problem is.... NONE OF THIS EVER SHOWS UP IN THE CAMPAIGN. What the fuck? Seriously. Its like the individual volumes completely ignore everything related to the Electoral Conclave right until the very end. Who came up with this? You basically spend 4 volumes just traveling around the empire solving problems that have absolutely nothing to do with the Manchurian candidate plot. LmaoI've never heard of a GM that ran the campaign without major rewrites.
>>97560440You wouldn't see this issue with the same gravity as with 40k, who has had half a dozen RPGs so far.>>97560373Perhaps that is so; I do consede that GW's team behind Fantasy's development is infamous regarding sudden and irrational changes. From Thorpe, to Hoare, and even Cavatore; I hold them all accountable, as well as their higher-ups. Even now with TOW, GW finds ways to trudge over previously stated lore. Nevertheless, fluff done by 1st-party still takes precedence over any other licensed products.It's incongruent whenever the RPG wilfully contradicts any story in the Fantasy Battles; especially when the setting was on hiatus for nearly a decade.>>97560449Fair enough, especially how new and undercooked TOWRPG still is.
>>97560695>>97559702You're right, but I feel that it's much easier for 40k to avoid major inconsistencies because of it's scale. When you have the whole galaxy to work with and thousands of years of strongly distorted and censored history you have the comfort of placing the action of every story in a completely different, separate place and easily explaining any inconsistency with "Imperium is a big place and things can work differently depending where you are" or "the records weren't entirely true/this was only part of the truth".In Fantasy you have dozens of stories and books all happening around the very same country, most of them in roughly similar time period, so inconsistencies stick out much more
>>97552837>Owlcat has better writing than LarianI think that Larian's writing is really held back by how their games are structured. Specifically, their insistence on giving players total freedom to do whatever and kill whoever they want. It means that every single character interaction needs to handle every combination of PC backstory, NPC companions and story development because almost nothing can be relied upon. Unfortunately, in practice this means that every Larian game is absolutely littered with "go to X and kill Y/retrieve Z" quests with some context specific interactions sprinkled in. Fortunately, Larian couldn't even make a "go kill rats in the basement for 5 copper pieces" quest without turning it into a two phase set-piece battle with painstakingly designed opportunities for environmental interaction, so their quests do manage to remain interesting most of the time despite being structurally repetitive.Owlcat has the opposite problem, where their games have a lot of very strong story threads, but those threads are absolutely riddled with shitty generic filler fights that are just dangerous enough that you have to take them seriously and can't just sleepwalk through them.
>>97561499I am very much considering doing a run of the two pathfinder games on ultra easy just so I can ignore their terrible combat systems.
>>97542079just tried kingmaker and had to drop it after the 3rd 1 real life hour long web trap and the 600th indestructible spider swarm. its a shame because i really want to fuck the barbarian and the dead elf
>>97561857had that exact same experience
>>97561917i even restarted as a sorcerer just to spam burning hands on them and i still went through my entire spell pool and 10 alchemist fires do do 0 damage to them
>>97561857>>97561917>>97561960How are you guys this bad? Never had any issues with the spiders and the swarms.
>>97552502Don't you shit talk my brother Horgus. Cruades would have fallen if not for him actually getting them decent weapons.
