>"So what are the bad guys' goals?">"They're evil">"Why?">"Because they're evil"
>>97542254thats all thats really necessary for the purpose of a wargameyou got JOEs on one side and COBRA on the otherits literally just heels and faces in wrestling, the goal of the heel is not to have understandable motivations, its just to be so hateable you love them
>>97542254The bad guys in wh40k are a mix of retards and dicks escaping their ultimate doom post-death by turning into a favored champion pet of chaos or demon prince.
Some people are evil for no reason. Go watch Forensic Files some time.
>>97542260>COBRA on the otherCobra had actual goals of global conquest
One of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels had them infiltrate a planet the forces of Chaos had taken over, and you got a pretty good introspect into how those planets were governed.It was basically like North Korea.
>>97542254>>"So what are the bad guys' goals?">>"They're evil">>"Why?">>"Because they're evil"
>>97542287why did they want global conquest? because they are evil
>>97542338>because they are evilAt one point it was to bring back the original ophidian race.But nice try generalising
>>97542368the chaos gods wish to become the most powerful being in order to propagate their ideal universe.its always that end goal.
>>97542287Yeah, but the GI Joes had the motive of spreading the American way, which is also like global conquest.
>>97542254Based.
>>97542254Why would you use fucking Chaos as your "le because dey le evil" example? The followers of Chaos know that higher powers exist. There are literal, actual gods and praying to them has tangible, observable effects. Do you think Earth, in real life, wouldn't be overrun with Satan worshippers if praying to Satan and sacrificing kids to demons resulted in gaining physical power and immortality?
>>97542395No they didn't And its irrelevant >whats their motive? Global conquest>but why is that their motive?Those are two different questions
>>97542429> Do you think Earth, in real life, wouldn't be overrun with Satan worshippers if praying to Satan and sacrificing kids to demons resulted in gaining physical power and immortality?Do you live under a rock?
>>97542429>gaining physical power and immortalityonly 1 retard from 1 million of retards gets such reward though lol
>>97542448The real life moloch worshipers don't get any tangible benefits from their lifestyle. You're just proving OP right, instead.
>>97542254Warhammer doesn't have very good writing and most stories involving chaos are pretty boring but chaos space marines don't just want to be evil they side with the choas gods because they'll promise the marine unlimited power. Proteus in bloodquest is a good example. Either that or they interact with the warp and get "corrupted" which is super lazy storytelling but whatever.
>>97542254Post your models.
>>97542254It's almost incredible how so many of you faggots can be too retarded for even very simple things like Warhammer.
>>97542254>"So what are the bad guys' goals?">"They're evil">"Why?">"Because they're not my guys"
>>975424611 in a million is still 7000 worldwide
>>97542254Red Corsairs actually talk about why they're evil. It's in the Chaos Knights codex. tl;dr>you had us commit genocide and other atrocities, but the moment we started to question this bullshit you tried to kill us, so fuck you dad
>>97542648Thats a different discussion
>>97542461>there is one extremely powerful bad guy and 1 million fodder bad guys what's your point?
>>97542461>only 1 retard from 1 million of retards gets such reward though lolBillionaires have lower ratios than that and people still sell their souls for mammon today.
>>97542628>Could I start a low-key guerrilla resistance campaign against the Imperium who tried to kill us in the hope of inspiring freedom an a new human age without Tyranny?>Nope, better start suckling on the teat filled with evil-juice because fuck everything.
>>97542368>At one point it was to bring back the original ophidian race.Were they evil?
>>97542254Let me guess, you "need" more?What's next, you want to know the tan army men's tax policy?
>>97542995they were about one step ahead of "because we are evil", it was "we want to kill all humans in order to rule the surface world"
>It is evil. It is so evil. It is a bad, bad plan that will hurt many people that are good. I think it's great, because it's so bad.
Why are they evil?>They have no reason not to be.>They are only evil from your perspective.
>>97542254Read more, you lorelet, 40k lore AND real world.>>"So what are the bad guys' goals?They want to free the Imperium from the static dicatorship of the Corpse god. Chaos is freedom, it's choice, it's individuality!"But the Imperium says Chaos are the bad guys!"Yes, they would, wouldnt they. Every dictatorship says that about their enemy that fights against their oppressive rule."But they are covered in spikes and skulls and shit!"So is the Imperium."They murder and torture entire populations!"So do the Imperium."They mutate and sergically alterate their victims!"So does the Imperium."The chaos soldiers are driven mad by centuries of warfare!So are many Imperials.It's a setting where both sides are mirror images of each other, because ITS A SETTING FOR A FUCKING WARGAME.
>>97542338>why did they want global conquest?Money. They wanted to be rich.
>>97542553I don't hate Warhammer or anything, but the bad guys in it are just bad for the sake of being bad, and you know it.
>faghammer40k shit writing to sell plastic soldiers btfo'd againmany such case!
>>97542254>>97542254>what are the bad guy's goals?They fight against the emperor that they once served.>Why?Enter twenty years of lore explaining chaos machinations.>Hurr durr, I guess they're just evil.
>>97544285>ESL seething because 40k btfos his setting of choiceMany such case, indeed.
>>97542254>posts a pic of one of the very few traitor legions with something approaching a coherent ideology and justification for what they do
>>97545017But enough about your projection.
>>97545027>"no u" that doesn't even make sense ESL concession accepted.
>>97543512>u-uh ackchyually the mass murder rape cultist isn't bad
>>97545039>u-uh ackchyually the mass murder rape cultist isn't badBut enough about the Imperium.
>>97545038>still projecting and seething >muh concessionlollmao even
>>97542254You blew hammerbabies asshole out here nice work OP
>>97545038NTA. "You are an intelligent individual" is english in a correct form."Ur a retardered" is not.However, the latter is more accurate if I want to describe you.I hope it helps, and helps anyone in the future in understanding that le ESL is not a logical argument you can use to prove your point.
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>>97542254>It's the "people need to have a reasonable, logical cause to be evil" episodeNot having those and acting on your own is precisely what makes people evil.
>>97542254What, you mean a lust for wealth, power, and control so excessive that they trample over other people's right to live free and unmolested isn't enough of an evil goal for your bad guys? They need some big epic sobstory too?
>>97542254They desire weapons and geneseed
>>97542500Idk, it seems like they all find their political and economic fortunes increasing once they commit to evil.
>>97542254They want unlimited freedom to pursue their vices at everyone else's expense. Even if they are escaping otherwise horrid conditions, the cost is never worth it.
>>97542959His plan would have worked if he hadn't been an idiot; he just had to increase gene-seed production, give the tax to the imperium, and use the rest to increase his ranks, but he had to block the trade routes for some reason.
>>97542254Desire for power, pleasure beyond human possibility, forbidden knowledge, immortality?Aren't those reasons enough for you?
>>97542254While as others have said things like Gaunts Ghosts have done a good job of giving some chaos societies a superficially convincing ideology of not just thinking they're evil, even when a chaos character is just absurdly and self consciously evil it still often makes sense. Its essentially just saying "fuck it" on the deepest most nihilistic spiritual level. You've been sufficiently fucked over, and lost all hope, been betrayed and brutalized to the point you just don't give a fuck anymore,at a certain point you may as well play around with these forces that clearly exist for fun and to hurt people you hate, to get things your way for a little bit for once. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQBhk5t_vMw
>>97542254>when your reasoning is so sound the best your faithless foes can do is call you 'ebil'
>>97543760money was a means to an end, they wanted to be rich to commit evil not the other way aroundtomax and xamot actually got rich legitimately and told cobra commander to piss off because world domination was actually costing them money
Moriana spoke on. Whole worlds had been reshaped, their continents given over to graveyards and necropolises, mourning not the slain on either side of our nearly forgotten war but the more recent dead of the last several hundred years: the innocent martyrs of the God-Emperor’s faithful flock.The God-Emperor.The God-Emperor.Language cannot convey the effect those words had on me. I will do all I can to explain it, knowing that every explanation is wrong, for no wordcraft can truly shape an impression of what I felt the first time I heard that title.‘The God-Emperor,’ Moriana said again, when Amurael asked her to repeat herself. He had stopped as if struck, his thoughts running so acidly rancid that I felt them pressing against my senses.Telemachon had been exultant, roaring his laughter to the sky, so gripped by euphoric revelation that I thought his twin hearts might seize. If you have ever walked an asylum’s halls, you know that laughter. It is something beyond mirth, beyond elation. It is a release, a dam that breaks in the back of the mind to let madness pour forth, preventing the brain from drowning in poison.The God-Emperor. I tried to repeat Moriana’s words but my mouth refused to give them shape. I was laughing myself.Telemachon could barely breathe. The laughter sawed in and out of his faceplate’s vocaliser, wheezing and wet, hacking as if he’d ruptured something in his throat. Amurael stood dumb, trying to process what he had heard. Trying and failing.Yet Moriana was far from finished. She spoke on, telling us of the Cult of the Emperor Saviour emerging from the disorder of the rebellion’s aftermath. Uprisings of this cult were commonplace on countless worlds, subsuming whole systems in this tide of new belief. The Emperor, revered as the source of the Astronomican, allowed travel between humanity’s scattered worlds. The Emperor, Master of Mankind, Bane of Aliens, the one true deity.
>>97559733A god.They believed the Emperor was a god.I knew how and why this had happened, even before she said another word. It happened as it always happens, as any scholar of their own species’ history can tell you: it happened because the helpless masses were fearful, and because the powerful wanted unchallenged control. Every religion rises for the same reasons – the lower tiers of a society crave answers and comfort, needing rewards in an afterlife to justify the harshness and grimness of their lives. And to prevent uprisings in search of better existences, their rulers institute a creed that keeps the masses obedient and compliant.Meekness, obedience, submission… These become virtues that the oppressed must embody in pursuit of a greater good or a later reward.To stand against the prevailing belief becomes not just philosophy but heresy. Heresy worthy of execution. And so control is maintained by the strong over the weak.‘The God-Emperor,’ I finally managed to say. There have been many times in my life since then that I have cursed that title or cringed at hearing it cried by His deluded followers. But that day, damn me for my naïvety, I was laughing with Telemachon. A cruel, spurned mirth, not the amusement of the victor but the bleak joy of the beaten. That laughter was a purging, like shedding an uncomfortable sheath of skin.
>>97559735‘Much of the Imperium already adheres to the word of the sect as gospel,’ Moriana continued. ‘The Temple of the Emperor Saviour has a far wider reach and deeper roots than the petty cults that flowered during your rebellion. The Lectitio Divinitatus was a child’s bedtime candle compared to the sunlight of the beliefs now gripping the Imperium.’All these thousands of years later, deep in what scholars name the Dark Millennium, the Ecclesiarchy grips the whole Imperium in an inviolate hold. Moriana spoke of its rise as an inexorable ascension, only a handful of centuries before its formal, final adoption as the Imperial Creed, backbone of the Adeptus Ministorum, state religion of the Imperium of Man.And all of it, all of it, founded from the very beliefs that the Emperor had sought to destroy.Just as the Emperor had been betrayed by His sons, so too had the fool been betrayed by His own empire. Blind and rudderless without its monarch to guide it, the Imperium was devolving into superstitions and half-truths. No wonder we were already close to being myths.‘The Word Bearers won.’ Telemachon was on his hands and knees in the dust, blood trickling from his unmoving silver mouth. He laughed and heaved and vomited and laughed, speaking between dragged breaths and violent convulsions. ‘The Word Bearers won. They eat dirt and drink shame. They chant prayers to the unwanted truth through bloodied lips. They lost everything. And yet they still won.’
>>97542254>evil always has to have a deep planEvil is evil because it does what it wants and does not need to justify itself to do it. "Grey morals" are lies from evil.
>>97560745truth nuke
