Have you been huffing asbestos at your wargaming tables, /tg/?>Colour Forge’s Moss Green and Atlantiko Blue basing sands have been rapidly taken off sale after traces of asbestos were found inside.>If you're using Colour Forge's Moss Green or Atlantiko Blue basing sands in your miniature wargame projects, stop using them immediatelyhttps://www.gov.uk/product-safety-alerts-reports-recalls/product-recall-colour-forge-basing-sand-2-colours-moss-green-and-atlantiko-blue-2602-0038https://www.wargamer.com/miniature-wargame-basing-sand-asbestos-recall
>>97543171>If you're using Colour Forge's Moss Green or Atlantiko Blue basing sands in your miniature wargame projects, stop using them immediatelyHow much are you gonna pay me to do so?
>>97543450I will give you two (you)s
>oh no, aspestoruu!Pussies.
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>>97543471>>97543475Pretty much, danger of asbestosis is blown out of proportion because tobacco lobby funded research was looking for a convenient scapegoat that could be blamed for lung cancer with no connection to habitual smoking.The stuff isn't good for you, but handling small amounts on irregular basis doesn't pose any real risk.
>>97543171>he doesn't dust his nose with basing material for luck beore a game
>>97543510>>97543475>>97543471You people will be contrarian about the weirdest things. 2 out of 7 people who have worked in asbestos mining die from asbestos-induced diseases. In Australia, asbestos-related illness kills twice as many people as road accidents every year.
>>97543475>asbestos-shoveling competition????
>>97543728It's to breathe in that competitive spirit
>>97543728People thought asbestos was super nifty back then. Pretty sure some pope had an asbestos handkerchief
>>97543728Wittenoom was an asbestos mine. Coalminers did coal-shoveling competitions too, it's just typical mining-town entertainment
>>97543662>2 out of 7 people who have worked in asbestos mining die from asbestos-induced diseasesCaused by handling large amounts of the stuff on regular daily basis, often without any protective gear. Any dusty environment will do that, coal, flour, roadside dust, you name it.
>>97543752Considering Romans had them, many popes probably had the too.
Just getting in here before anyone says this discussion isn't /tg/.
>>97543471https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3304550/My nigger asbestos fibers can get small enough to tangle up dna in your chromosomes. It's pretty well studied and documented.
>>97543728Every man jack in this town is fighting to show how much asbestos they can shovel and you aren't even going to compete, you little pussy?
>>97543752>>97543831People also used arsenic to dye things green even when they knew for a fact that arsenic is toxic. They just had the smoker's logic of its not being THAT big of a deal and even if it is, dying of disease caused by arsenic poisoning just isn't going to happen to me.
>>97543870I'm sure you got a dozen things in your house that you can kill yourself with, but we don't think it's weird because we know not to drink bleach, stick a fork in a socket, blow dry your hair in the bath, etc.
>>97543831>funeral shrouds>severe health hazardsposing threat that the deceased might die again?
>>97543910>tableclothsEating on one daily might have that affect on the family. And fireproof funeral shrouds probably were for cremations where the cloth could be reused, meaning people handling them would be exposed.
>>97543662It's asbestos, not dimethyl mercury. It's dangerous when you breathe in dust over a long time. Like if you're living in a house full of the stuff so its dust is in the air. This is a trace amount in piles of sand sold by the handful and glued down by the pinch.
>>97543886There is no safe way to handle asbestos dust other than wearing a fucking spacesuit.
>>97544447Don't let it become dust.
>>97543171>UK governmentfuck off nanny staters, I'll try not to chew on my neon green flock bases
>>97543662>Old people dieWoW it is almost like that is what they were made to do
>>97543857He's got extra chromosomes as backup
>>97543752Asbestos IS really nifty. By far the best natural fireproofing we have and it's super plentiful. Just a shame that the fibers are so small that it will scramble your DNA leading to cancer
>>97543171I would say just don't ingest it, but I know these guys are drinking the paint water and taking nibbles of the sprues, so I'm not surprised they're rubbing the basing sand on their gums too.
>>97544535You're going to want to also try not to breathe near it if it ever starts crumbling.
>>97543171>Buying sand from a miniatures company instead of getting a giant bag at a hardware store or walking on a beachISHYGDDT
>>97545834C'mon, anon. This is BESPOKE sand meant for my hobby. Not some peasants sand that anyone could buy at a much lower price (or for free)
>>97545834this, KWAB
>>97543662I promise to be careful if I ever go deep into the basing material mines for a 12 hour shift.
>>97543171For all the pearl clutching I see around here about 3d printing and how being in the same zip code as some printer resin will give you cancer, I'm amazed by the amount of hobbyists who seemingly don't know that if you are using ANY SUBSTANCE AT ALL that generates dust or fumes, that you should be wearing a respirator and/or running an air extraction/filtration system.
>>97545834Wouldn't help though, the whole reason this is happening is a bunch of bulk bags of play sand tested positive - gotta love Chinese "safety regulations" - and obviously Colour Forge were buying the same stuff. Also beach sand is a dumb idea, you have to bake it for ages to sterilise it so by the time you account for the wasted time and the energy use it's probably going to end up more expensive than "hobby basing" products.
>>97543171He's not gonna like this
>>97546145He retired because old age and cancer since a while
>>97543812>Caused by handling large amounts of the stuff on regular daily basisnayrt That was long term exposure but even one day of exposure to asbestos containing material such as drilling out old insulation or a dropped ceiling panel can significantly increase the risk of disease. In terms small dose exposure over a relatively short term, a housewife washing her husband's clothes was diagnosed with asbestos induced cancer when he had a less than 2 month contract working near the stuff. Short term exposure for as little a few days has been directly linked to asbestos cancer.>>97543510Says the person in the pro-asbestos lobby fund. >handling small amounts on irregular basis doesn't pose any real riskYeah, nah. It does.
>>97546054Pffffshaw! Youngsters these days. I had to work the Vallejo paint mines 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. We huffed acrylic ores like cocaine.
>>97543171So they are obviously the same coloured sand that this happend to for kids art supplies sand. I wonder how big a mark up it is to buy coloured wargame sand instead of coloured kids play sand?
>>97546067>you have to bake it for ages to sterilise itlmao pussy
>>97544083>he doesn't smoke his hobby sands and skiing the multicolored slopesIt's called freebasing for a reason, after all
>>97547007Judy Garland was covered head to toe in asbestos during filmmaking and lived until ripe old age of... 47? Which as was lot for someone who is popping barbiturates like breath mints.
>>97549575To be fair, Garland OD'd.
>>97549504kek
>>97549504>freebasing hobby sands
>>>7546067Honestly, I have a big tub of sand from the beach that I got 10 years ago, never even baked it. Based all my minis with it and still do. Never had any problems. Just filter by grain size and don't use dirty sand.
>>97549575What's your point?Woman dies 30 years after exposure to a substance known to be the main causative factor in diseases commonly diagnosed 20 to 40 years after exposure. If so that's that's very stupid point.
I have a different brand of coloured sand that's also been put on notice as containing asbestos. I bought it to make static grass flowers and now I guess I'm going to get cancer.
>>97543171It was also in baby powder for at least 60 some odd years, which is as far back as anyone ever thought to test it. (Hint: it didn't just end up in the talc supply the first time that they tested for it. It was already there.) You may have been exposed to it as a child. So was I. And don't get me started on automotive brake pads. We'll be breathing that shit in for the rest of our lives. This stuff isn't biodegradable.>>97543857That's theorized, and not well supported factually. What's not theorized is that if you inhale enough of it, it will fuck you up. Just how much that is seems to be wildly variable but it's never trace amounts. On that rare occasion where someone develops a problem from "trace amounts," there was another more significant exposure. I guarantee it.>what's not being discussed here: when one part of an exposed group gets asbestosis and/or mesothelioma and the other part doesn't, the part that got fucked up were all smokers>this is well known in the industry>>97547007And was that their only known exposure to asbestos? None in the house or anything like that? Do some digging. When someone comes down with an asbestos-related disease, their lawyer is looking for someone to sue, not for how they got it. This same thing happened with the J&J baby powder debacle.I'm not particularly worried by it and I spent 15 years working with this shit for a living. If you're not huffing it every day or smoking, it's not worth worrying about. You already breathe some in on a daily basis and have for your whole life. Don't overthink it.>inb4 my lungs will explode in 25 yearsMy mom powdered me up with the J&J death powder when I was a baby. That was 49 years ago. I'm out of the latency period for that exposure. That product was also tainted with "trace amounts" of asbestos and I'm fine. So is everyone else that was old enough to be exposed to it as a child, which is probably not you.
>>97543510the progressive ignorance of humanity fucking astounds mewhat the fuck is next?>yeah actually gravity isn't real, it's fake and gay, debate me
>>97543171>be me>too cheap to buy hobby sand>go down to river, scoop sand out, bake and sift sand>people think I'm weird>asbestos pops up in hobby sand>whoslaughingnow.gifAlso there are some utter retards in this thread, but eh, thats the yank education system for you I guess.
>>97546067>Also beach sand is a dumb idea, you have to bake it for ages to sterilise itShove it in a tin next to my forge, it's done by the time I'm done.
>>97555239>, their lawyer is looking for someone to sue,Strawmaning rally hard there anon. No one said anything about lawyers there.>I spent 15 years workingPresumably you were using protective equipment which accidental exposure in the home almost certainly excludes.>I'm not particularly worried by itGood for you. Your emotional lack of concern is the yardstick by which everyone else must measure their rational, fact based concerns when noticing that exposure to a pathogen, toxin, etc. is the prime mechanism by which one develops conditions associated with that pathogen, toxin, etc. The fact that most people with exposure to a dangerous agent don't develop a malady associated with agent does not change the fact that people exposed to that agent have an elevated risk for developing such a malady. Most people aren't very concerned about being involved in a traffic accident but that doesn't change the fact that people near roads whether in a vehicle or not are more likely to be involved in one that people who are never exposed to vehicles. This is not a very hard idea to understand.>which is probably not youYou're replying to at least two people, probably three. Was that directed at anyone in particular? Like if it was me you happen to wrong>So is everyone else that was old enough to be exposed to it as a childYou're very self-centred and have limited knowledge of he world, not only are you insisting that people are wrong to be concerned when you're not, but you're ignoring that J&J was selling talc based baby powder until 2023 in the UK. There are many children exposed to that alive today.>I'm fine. So is everyone else that was old enough to be exposed to it as a childNot only is that not true but it's not just the children. Mums in particular using the powder were exposed to asbestos fibres too.
>>97549575The scarecrow (Ray Bolger) was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 1986.
>>97546067>spend 1 day baking sand in oven>have enough sand to last me forever Seems very cost and time effective to me.
I use unscented Cat Litter and spackle for basing. The rocks are smaller than any gravel you can buy which works well for scale.Unfortunately, you can't get less than 30lbs so now I have 29.9 lbs of cat litter, a based army, and no cats.
>>97543475If you go on google maps and look at wittenoom some chucklefuck marked a buisness there called asbestos for free, gave me a good chuckle
>>97557531I considered a point by point reply but given your inability to comprehend what I wrote, it would probably be lost on you. I'll give you the retarded zoomer brainrot version to make it easier:>asbestos bad>little asbestos don't worry unless you smokeI understand that you may have read a news article saying something else. I'm sure that it was 100% accurate (they never exaggerate or get anything wrong), which now makes you an expert. Enjoy your life, such as it is, and go outside once in a while.>understand that you'll be breathing asbestos if you do, but given that it's a small amount, don't worry about it
Why the fuck are you sterilizing beach sand that is going to be glued and painted? You're supposed to do that if you're using it in an aquarium to keep your fish from getting pathogens
>>97558784>Why the fuck are you sterilizing beach sandBecause of pajeets.
>>97558784Mildew can grow under your paint if you don't, it's not extremely likely but it can happen
>>97560156Time to rebase my DG with unsterilized sand.
lmao
