>>97544869
>tumblr art style

>>97544869
My character had a deep love for his ghoul assisstant/secretary. He once said that she was like an exterior organ for him because he vould not function properly without her. She would focus on the little things so he could focus on the big things. It wasnt long into his unlife that he ghouled her. They never "dated" they weren't romanticly involved but they were incredibly intimate with each other. Maybe if he had been Embraced a few years later they would have been romantic in the traditional sense given a bit more time breathing. All things considered he did destroy a rival vampire & everyone loyal to that vampire over a slight against her at an Elysium meeting. I haven't played the character in a while, but I would assume that eventually he would try to pursue Golconda eventually so he could be with her completely.

>>97544869
Fuck I want to like Deadlock but the gameplay is so hard to get into

>>97544869
>What sorts of forbidden romance have your characters gotten up to?
The PCs in the chronical that I played in never got up to much of anything like that. There was, however, a cute ongoing side-story about the ghost of a boy who haunted the place where we lived. He had a huge crush on a human girl who lived across the street, but also had a number of supernatural girls chasing after him.

>>97544869
>TQ
Only time I had a PC that was in what you could call a "forbidden" romance was when my Ventrue became romantically involved with a Sorcerer. A mortal magic user. It was towards the end of that pretty long chronicle, and it wasn't a primary, focused on thing, so it wasn't the most fleshed out thing. But, even though he already knew about vampires before they met, she was probably a little too open with him for those with a strict interpretation of the first tradition. Honestly, it was good for her. Lot of stress had been building up for a while, and while she'd had a lot of fulfilment in her unlife, she needed a bit more happiness, which the relationship provided. They compliment each other well. She's ambitious to a fault, strong-willed, and surprisingly nurturing. He's laid back, confidently assuring, goes with the flow but isn't meek at all. So they don't bump heads and shore up each other's weaknesses.

His magical acumen was also useful to the Chronicle's endgame. Fun guy, the entire thing wasn't even planned at all. He was made up last minute to replace a Changeling when our Kiasyd had to last minute miss the session where we were supposed to bump into a Changeling. He and the Ventrue hit it off immediately and the rest was history.

>>97545003
Same. I just don't like MOBAs. Wish it was more of an overwatch clone, I'm ashamed to say.

But hey, it has a lot of cool character designs to use for inspiration. I wonder if you could replicate Lady Geist's "I use a bound ghost to drain the life of others to remain forever young" shtick with GtSE. That could be a cool NPC.

>>97545785
GtSE actually has the inverse, mortal antagonists who consume the plasm of ghosts in order to remain young forever.

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>>97544937
>he vould
bleh

KYS hedgefag

kiss hedgefag

Struggle snuggle with hedgefag

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no judgement but even in a safe horny game like WoD there's never been romance at my tables

>>97544937
Huh you reminded me of one of my players.
He's a Tzimisce, and also calls his ghouls his "exterior organs". Well, at least the big titted bitches (who may have been ugly or disabled before getting the Szlachta treatment) who serve as his main assistants and are willing to do really weird shit like pretending to be pregnant or obese to smuggle large amounts of soil when he needs to travel

Playing a game with hedgehog & maybe the rest of your too if youd act right in my house

>>97546209
As someone who already answered the TQ, I can only speak for my table, but you can have characters with romantic partners without forcing the ST to ERP with you or call you pookie. As ST, I'd feel wrong if I neglected the vital part of the human experience that is love. At the same time, I'm not comfortable regularly pretending to be my friend's fictional boyfriend/girlfriend. Such things are best left acknowledged but not played out with much detail. It's a bit of a balancing act, being perfectly honest.

Hell, my current PC I've made as unfuckable as possible just as a change of pace, since I often play charismatic PCs, which leads to entirely unplanned entanglements.

>>97546354
Interesting. He was a Tremere, & the organ part was him being poetic. He actually said it in game/in character in a way that alluded that she was his heart, but like their relationship in general it was more unsaid than anything

>>97546355
>t. Marauder

>>97546371
>not comfortable regularly pretending to be my friend's fictional bf/gf
nta but very relatable. It is hard to get a balance of that stuff. Of course, it's also fun to fuck with friends with that sort of stupid bullshit too but all things are supposed to be in moderation. I would not erp with a friend for instance, unless it's the sort of weird sexual comedy you see posted here about blatant fetishism or weird shit. Only if it gets laughs at the table, but generally no

>>97546354
>pretending to be pregnant to smuggle shit
Based Tzimisce gooner

>>97546209
>safe horny game like WoD
Let me guess. V5 player? There's nothing safe about actual WoD horny. Then again you're probably one of these fags who cry at the sight of a titty.

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>>97546371
>At the same time, I'm not comfortable regularly pretending to be my friend's fictional boyfriend/girlfriend
Meh

>>97546579
That was pretty weird, kek. Why is the dm a furry though?

>>97544869
>kino art style

>>97546840
Dunno, I just found it here on /tg/. I tried reading the webcomic but it sucks.

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How horny are your fellow players?

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Name my coterie.

>>97547256
Russia's Got Shovelheads
or
The heads and the shovel.

>>97547256
The R-men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kR6daKgbQ4

>>97546209
>>97546371
I am currently playing a character who is crass and obviously dtf but who is also extremely business before pleasure Conviction 5 type, but he’s also an ugly bastard at that.

>>97547365
>he’s also an ugly
Aren't you tired of playing that in real life?

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>>97542278
>Having the actual Wyrm itself as an avatar is inadvisable, since a mage's avatar is sort of an extension of himself, the Awakened aspect of the mage's soul. For your mage's avatar, I'd go with a false Wyrm (plenty of religious mages interpret their avatar as their god), a simulacrum of the spirit that was fused with his flesh to make him a ferectoi, something else that represents his darkest urges or maybe even something that represents his tiniest sliver of humanity, though that wouldn't work if he's an irredeemable Nephandus.
I wasn't really thinking of the literal wyrm, but the avatar would be modeled after the wyrm itself. It would be a ball of innumerable snakes. Always coiling on themselves, always moving but trapped and cannot escape the confine of themselves. Though there are dragon heads coming out of the entity. As many as the triatic heads of the wyrm as well as its urges. Each speak with a different voice, but in unison... with one more voice coming from inside the avatar itself.

>In which case, get rid of Maleficia entirely and just go with Shamanism if you want to focus on him wielding his magick almost exclusively by invoking spirits.
Will do. Good plan.

>Absolutely, anything that serves as a source of the energy that he believes that his magick is dependent on.
Nice, eveything seems to be fitting perfectly!

>>97547256
Blyats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l68NxIZda10

>>97547256
L-R: Malkavian, Brujah, Nosferatu, Assamite, Blood Brother x2, Toreador.

>>97544869
>What sorts of forbidden romance have your characters gotten up to?
Oh, the usual Vampire and human fall in love, which always ends as:
>Embrace, followed by a violent falling out.
>The squishier half of the relationship getting murdered or ghouled or turned or used as a sleeper agent by a rival because Jyhad is a bitch.

No, seriously, have two vampires ever managed to sustain a long-term friendship, even? Let alone a romantic relationship. No, turning one half into your puppet does not count as either. I'm reminded of how Pratchett described the ideal size of a witches' coven as one. Vampires seem to be pathologically unable to get along and I'm fairly certain its the blood bond and Dominate which allow vampires to be organized at all.

>>97547200
>Japanese meme
Why Tony would have different opinions depending on how much of his suit he's wearing? And who is the girl supposed to be? What are they even saying?

>Question
Jokingly and while trashtalking, they become true Homo sapiens and while playfighting (because they can) they act like gay grecorroman wrestling dagestani bears. There have been several instances of actual moans. One of them makes gay raps. Most of them have girlfriends, some broke up some time ago.

>>97547583
>Why Tony would have different opinions depending on how much of his suit he's wearing?
It's not the suit, he's just horny all the time.
The girl says something about a project being successful, captain says something like "good job" and hawkeye tells him to stop daydreaming.

>>97547565
The game only spanned about 10-15 in-game years or so, but my Ventrue and the coterie's Nosferatu maintained a friendship all throughout. The trick was to not be in direct competition for anything. She's an ambitious face, he's remarkably chill who just wants to enjoy his unlife. They both enjoyed being snarky fuckers. Both viewed vampirism as a gift. We liked to joke he was her "sassy gay friend", but while you could definitely tell, he wasn't a stereotypical queen or anything like that.

Still, the two genuinely got along and would hang out outside of coterie schemes.

>>97547370
:(

>>97544869
I just watched the fucking Epstein Bannon interview and I feel like I'm going insane. The last quarter of the interview is traditions vs technocracy shit aaaaaaaaaaah

HELP ME

>>97547565
There's one giga-stacy from Ancient Greece who ghouled and embraced her lover so that she could be with him forever.

>>97547933
>>>/x/41943129

>>97547995
Anon, The Epstein files are not /x/ tier anymore. They are real and got released.

>>97547995
>it's literally those akashic guys who defected to the NWO

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>>97544933
>Hot, suggestive image is le bad, cuz wrong art style
I mean it could be better with stickmen, but it's as good as it gets

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>>97548180
>what happened?
Cats got lazy.

>>97546010
>>97546056
>>97546089
What did he even do to get you retards to still lust after him after all this time? Is his boimusk realy this strong?
All he did was post like a cutesy retard and cropped porn behind spoilers

>>97547565
If your table hasn't had a Vlad/Isabella style 'eternal love but for real' you absolutely have to try it.
Remember, True Love is a real merit and lets you ignore most mechanics that would endanger the character it's directed at.

>>97548413
>The guy who posted about the two Garou with True Love
More like Doomed Romance

>>97548581
Unironically go read Blood and Chocolate. Read, not watch, since the movie only shares the title and having wolves in it

>>97547565
other anon already mentioned the true love merit as for npcs mithras had two childe who been married for 900 years before mithras put them into topor for running a hunting club that hunted other kindred for sport

the secret behind their marriage was that they both been equally awful humanity 2 assholes

>>97548746
Incredible how true love is enough to stave of wassail for 900 years

Maybe if Hey'yall Theomeme had true love he/she wouldn't have been such an asshole

>>97548601
Interesting, seems a bit weird having werewolf female on human male like that but I suppose I can be down with it.

>>97548746
>>97548864
>tfw you will never marry a fellow psychopathic immortal gooner who just exists to be a cunt to others (except you) and murder
Why even live?

>>97547565
Madame Guil and Luc

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The Inconnu doesn't want you to know this but True Love is a pre-requisite to Golconda, which turns you human again.

>>97548032
But they are boring. Epstein didn't hide anything and it was just a bunch of rich dudes who he knew from networking their businesses or government trade/diplomat jobs.

This had all the mystic or consperatorial qualities of going down to the courthouse and watching felons get their "good character" sworn for by their high school buddies.
They didn't care so long as they can pretend it was a morally grey area and he provides the party beer.

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Happy Friday the 13th! OWoD guys, have you ever run a game with slashers of some sort, or serial killers in general?

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>>97549619
I haven't ran a slasher game yet but this game has one of them as an antagonist.

>>97549274
>Golconda
Ain't real, S*lubri propaganda

>>97549695
>Golconda
>Ain't real, S*lubri propaganda
t. Tremere

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>What sorts of forbidden romance have your characters gotten up to?
Dark Age, bunch of misfits including my Road of Heavens knight. Chronicle antagonist was infernalist, eventually beaten cornered, and out of options she breaks down explaining she had to do desperate things to prolong her unlife because she made pact with powers that will take her soul. I get the bright idea, say something cheesy along the lines of "you don't need to worry about that, I'll be taking care of your soul until Lord deems you worthy of redemption" and gobble her up.
Got myself Derangement (her voice in my head) + Spirit Mentor merit (mostly being bad influence), two step drop on the Road rating, and enough ire from Camarilla authorities to get exiled on another continent. In a box, with stake through the heart.
Totally worth it, though.

>>97549819
Diablerists are their own breed of insane

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Valentine's day is coming up. Love deserves to be appreciated so remember to buy your lover something nice. The more the better, can't put a price on love or so they say

>>97549974
For what it's worth, she was my first and only.

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>>97549619
While I've yet to run a Hunter game, Slashers and in particular Masks seem like some of the best content I've read in all of WoD. Really want to brainstorm one and throw it at my Vampire players but haven't really given it the time. I feel like aura is half the appeal.

>>97545912
That's pretty cool. Do they get dread powers, numina, or haunts?

>>97550007
Diablerist cope when they summon a Tulpa of some chick they psychotically believe is the love of their life after they soul vored her. I do like the story though, very cool stuff

>>97550219
They have their own unique Dread Powers mostly related to exploiting the ghosts that they eat, they can use fitting Supernatural Merits as Dread Powers and they can use fitting Numina too. The most powerful ghost eaters are effectively immortal, as long as they keep eating ghosts and as long as no one exploits the sole bane that they possess.

>>97544869
this is thread question is pretty much targeted at me, but i don't have time this weekend to go into great detail
i have played
>a cainite knight who fell in love with a honest to god princess that he couldn't turn immortal due to her high status
>a wraith who with the help of the entire group turned risen to reunite with his wife one last time which allowed him to move on
>a slayer demon in love with a mage who later died and turned into a wraith

>>97550672
>He couldn't stage an assassination and turn her like they did with princess Diana
Anon-kun...

>>97550684
The problem was that hardestadt and the other ventrue knew and made it very clear that "killing" the daughter of the emperor would get me killed by them

>>97549977
B8 aside what do you even do with a Valentine's Day game in WOD?

>>97550708
>He didn't fake a 'murder suicide with a Givoana nearby to 'grab' each soul and put'em in new bodies

SAD!

>>97550388
What's supposed to be the moral quandary here?

CofD ghosts aren't people, they're not even the lingering souls of people. They're motes of mystical energy that parasitise the actual memories of the actual people who actually died. Why are ghost eaters antagonists who need to be defeated, when they're not doing any harm to any actual people?

>>97550739
Well, you could have your character spend some time with their lover (assuming they have on). You could have your antagonist celebrate valentines so you could ambush them or whatever. Nothing like blowing up two targers with a single car bomb.

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>>97550782

>>97550832
It's all fun and games until one of them walks out of the burning wreck.

>>97550864
If they can survive a Forces-enhanced plastic explosive then yeah, it'd be pretty scary. Oh well, let someone else deal with the fallout, you didn't plant the bomb yourself, right?

>>97547933
wod happens to be /x/ tier, so there is always going to be some intersections.
This, for example;
>>>/x/41950744

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Can you reform a leech through true faith?

>>97546209
I never engage in romance because I routinely forget love is a thing others experience

>>97551119
Ew, disgusting. Even worse than the OP.

>>97551164
Is this literally me posting?
>>97551119
Incredibly ooc, this would never happen. I could see Mina getting reformed since she's genuinely just misunderstood. Drifter can't be reformed, even outside of the gay

>>97551119
At 10 dots of TF you could do it but you'd have to find that special someone and get their help.

>>97551231
>I could see Mina getting reformed since she's genuinely just misunderstood.

I also want Mina to choke me out with her thighs, but I'm not delusional about her being fixable c'mon man.

>>97551119
Why are Deadlock fans so gay?

>>97551339
A lot of attractive men + gooners are a very vocal minority.

Plus it might be cross-polination from TF2, which has a lot of fag fans because the mercs are all dudes. If anything, Deadlock is an improvement because of all the attractive women.

>>97550739
orgy at the setite temple

>>97550739
>B8 aside what do you even do with a Valentine's Day game in WOD?
My ST loved doing things with holidays. Emotions are charged, and he likes put awful spins on positive things. That said, our longest-running chronical began in March and crept along at less than half a week per sessions, so we never got around the Valentine's Day.

>>97551372
Tf2 gay porn is made by a woman untill proven otherwise but I can believe that with how many furriers and other freaks tf2 always attracted. Femscout my beloved...

>>97551320
She's a nice girl (compared to Drifter) and certainly not a schizoid mess (like Geist, McGinnis who unironically CANNOT be fixed)
>>97551339
>>97551372
Valve just has a lot of good men in their catalogue (compared to Riot and Hi-Rez). Overwatch formerly had a lot of good men, Rivals currently does

>>97551561
Not to derail and I'm none of the previous anons but Overwatch has Hazard and a gaggle of asian twinks. That's fag bait right there.

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How would a player character replicate Unlimited Blade Works?

At first I had a plan in my mind when Iremember that Demesne exists and I could use spirit magic or a magical item to bring it into the world temporary, but this quote from the book Guide to the Traditions kinda put a stop to my plan

>However, the stuff of dreams is insubstantial and fades with morning light. A mage can't just step into a Demesne, create wondrous effects and artifacts, and expect to take them out with Spirit magic. Such things ultimately have no more substance than the mage's own imagination.

Any idea? So far I either have "Talk to your ST and homebrew/forget that rule", or "Talk to your ST to have a special magic item that circumvent that rule."

>>97551803
Hazard and the nu champs are a bit derivative and lacking soul. Unironically, Roadhog and Hanzo were peak fagbait on top of being actually good characters. I don't disagree that new characters were made to get gooned to but they aren't really as well designed as the old ones. That is enough derailing for now though yes.

>>97551905
Who's saying you have to take things out of the Demesne? Aren't Fate reality marbles/marble phantasms essentially just a reality bubble for the character's autistic delusions? It's more accurate to say you're dragging someone else into the Demesne and using your things then. It's also important to note that UBW is an extension of Shirou's magecraft in tracing (materializing) and reinforcement. You aren't really taking anything out because then you'd be using Matter as well.

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>>97551119
Yes but why would you?

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>>97551929
I'm an anime-only fag, in addition to a wiki surfing pleb and listening to lre experts on 4chan...

But I was pretty sure that Shirou's projection magic is basically him pulling swords out of his reality marble. That's why he said that "this is the only magic allowed to Shirou Emiya". That he doesn't create swords, but can bring forth swords from a universe he created in his mind that makes an infinite amount of swords.

Though ST willing, the part about objects from Demesne vanishing could be like in Fate, with Shirou's copies being fragile, and the Reality Marble a temporary thing because the World is doing its best to suppress it.

>>97551950
If you can irrefutably reform a person, why would you kill them instead?

>>97551905
>>97551968
Oneiromancy path sorcery does this, no?
At 6 dots you can pull temporary things from a dream into the real world. What you're describing is that but specifically pulling from the casters Demesne.

>>97551905
>How would a player character replicate Unlimited Blade Works?
By playing a Beast and writing a custom Lair Trait to represent it being littered with magical weapons. I'm sure there's a power that allows them to pull their enemies into the lair proper but I don't remember shit about it. Changeling is also an option but it would require playing a true Fae or making a goblin bargain to get those abilities.

>>97551968
Shirou actually has two types of projection magic
>Raw Tracing
He prints out a sword that he has seen or made because his element and origin are both sword. He then puts this sword into storage for UBW.
>UBW Tracing
He traces something straight from UBW, as you said pulling a sword out of his reality marble. Shirou CAN do both, but UBW is less taxing as well as being more useful to use during UBW. You can sort of see the distinction with the way he makes the Archer Blades and the Huge Sword with 9 Lives Bladeworks (Heaven's Feel) or in Oath Under Snow.

So technically, using UBW would be pulling things into the Demesne. Pulling things out, which you're talking about, might need some ST approval and the Matter sphere to work on it. And of course, you can just straight up summon swords the way Garcher and Shirou do. Nasu never really makes a distinction, but eitherway it's all about Shirou's autism.
>>97552057
This could be useful but
>6 dots of path sorcery
>on a Mage
Would be difficult.
>>97552138
I am sure the act of making a Reality Marble or a domain of sorts would be easiest on a Mage but the actual mechanics of UBW would need a lot of ST approval and overlap imo.

>>97551991
Why not?

>>97551991
It depends on what said person did in the past. I don't care how sorry some vampire is if he spent the better portion of his unlife doing shady shit. They'd need to be a vampire saint (yeah, no screwing over mortals, fucking other shitty vampires is fine though) being for me to consider them worthy.

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>>97552057
It's not necessarily the need from pulling stuff out of the dreamworld. It's just how I found the easiest path with Mage. M20 more precisely. Plus a 6 dot sorcerer is something that I doubt is allowed at a table, and probably even less with a new character.

>>97552138
Yeah, not interested in Beast, and anyway I want to stick to oWoD. Same for Changeling the Lost.

>>97552181
>Shirou actually has two types of projection magic
>Raw Tracing
>He prints out a sword that he has seen or made because his element and origin are both sword. He then puts this sword into storage for UBW.
>UBW Tracing
>He traces something straight from UBW, as you said pulling a sword out of his reality marble. Shirou CAN do both, but UBW is less taxing as well as being more useful to use during UBW. You can sort of see the distinction with the way he makes the Archer Blades and the Huge Sword with 9 Lives Bladeworks (Heaven's Feel) or in Oath Under Snow.

>So technically, using UBW would be pulling things into the Demesne. Pulling things out, which you're talking about, might need some ST approval and the Matter sphere to work on it. And of course, you can just straight up summon swords the way Garcher and Shirou do. Nasu never really makes a distinction, but eitherway it's all about Shirou's autism
I see! Yeah, I think some matter + prime could do the trick. Perhaps spirit too if I want to actively pull specific magic swords out of the demesne with conditions.

>I am sure the act of making a Reality Marble or a domain of sorts would be easiest on a Mage but the actual mechanics of UBW would need a lot of ST approval and overlap imo.
You know what, it's a fair point.

I was think that I could make Archer as a mage, but instead of working for the Counterforce it's the Consensus. He was a Mage that accumulated too much paradox and was thrown into a paradox realm, and he exchanged an eternity of torture for an eternity of servitude. His mission is to chase the awakened escaping paradox

>>97552289
Damn, that's kind of what the Counterforce sort of is anyway but that does sound kino.

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>TQ
(1/2) My first character was a drug dealing toreador. Our first session had the coterie meet up at a nightclub. The other toreador took an interest in a hot club goer. He tried to seduce her with presence, failed miserably, tried to intimidate her, failed miserably again. I step in and try and de-escalate the situation with presence and also failed miserably. Other toreador tards out like a brujah and starts telling us how he is going to pull a knife and stab her. The malkavian player decides to wig out and just rips the throat out of another club goer. Causes a whole masquerade breach with vampire swat raiding the place. I took advantage of the situation, grabbed her by the hand, and lead her outside of the club. I then succeeded on seducing her. I bite my cheek and spat some vitae in her mouth to start the ghouling process.

The other toreador and malk quit/were kicked so things quieted down. Everything was going smoothly until her boyfriend managed to track her down and became a thorn in my operations. Was a little bit of a jesus freak who came to the conclusion I used lesbian demon magic to turn his girlfriend gay and started spreading rumors which lead to some hunters to come sniffing. One night the coterie was meeting with a ventrue middleman for a job and we got ambushed by hunters. I got flanked by one with a shotgun but she jumped in the way and took the brunt of the blast for me. I tried to give her vitae but the wounds were too severe. I embraced her out of desperation and she ended up becoming a thinblood.

>>97552316
(2/2) While she was an ideal ghoul, she did not take to vampirism very well. I tried taking her to my sire to figure out how to get accustomed to vampire life. On the way to his countryside estate she jumped out of the car while we were driving past farmland. When I finally caught up to her I found her drinking from a dead cow while crying. My sire chastised me for recklessly embracing her but did help me cover it up. He explained to me roughly how thinbloods worked and said I should keep her blood bound "for her safety". Seeing her as more or less a glorified ghoul, I kept drinking from her not realizing she did have the ability to blood bond. The relationship became very bipolar with both of us trying to dictate to the other while being completely enthralled by them at the same time. She made me drink from animals while I manipulated her into ghouling her ex boyfriend so he would stop inadvertently getting hunters sent after us. Since he was willing to let us drink from him willingly, we came to an agreement of a "balanced diet" of mostly animal and some human blood. The ST got burnt out so the story came to an abrupt end but I enjoyed the chronicle.

>>97552309
More parallels to draw from
And Archer was the very first character I wanted to emulate in WoD, though I previously only thought of him as a marauder and gave up on the idea

>>97551803
>but Overwatch has Hazard and a gaggle of asian twinks. That's fag bait right there.
And you would be wrong, there. Learn your homo-logy. Daddies are in, twinks are out, and only for the female gaze to rub their nasty pussies while the twink gets railed by big meaty cocks from older men.

>>97552388
The entire Emiya Family is Giga Marauders anon
>Grandfather so obsessed with getting back the love of his life through attaining true magic via absolute time reversal (6th Magic debatably) that he abused his son and willingly endangers him using dead apostle experiments in his attempt to learn from their rejection of human history
>Kerry is an absolute Justice-fag but with no idealism of being a hero, fights dirty, low conceptual autism but high physical autism. Neglects his wife and daughter in pursuit of his justice and fumbles both, loses all his friends.
>Shirou is a high conceptual autism. Legitimately believes (and knows) he is a sword. Absolutely obsessed with being a Seigi no Mikata in every timeline, usually leads to a bad end.
>Archer is Shirou but disillusioned to hell and back by taking a slave contract to murder middle easterners and mad mages with the Counterforce
>Illyasviel copes and seethes over abandonment issues 24/7 and basically needed shock therapy to abandon her insane daddy issues and psychotic tendencies
I'm sure there's a writeup to be had about how 99% of mages in Fate are basically just Marauders roleplaying at society and how the rest of the Emiya renditions are also fucked up, but it would take a long time. Don't feel bad about playing a Marauder though, technically Emiya's focus on swords and justice-tism could function as an Akashic

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Don't know much about Princess the Hopeful, but that's how I imagine it
https://youtu.be/yDSANJLNDdA?list=RDyDSANJLNDdA&t=133

>>97552463
I don't know about Marauders, but certainly insane and prone to lots of Quiet.

Plus if we count FGO (and other works it made reference to), we got further distortions with Emiya Alter, and Assassin Emiya.

Also there's one timeline where Shirou isn't on justice autism... PrIllya-verse. Imo Fate is like if the Technocracy won against the Traditions, only to instead have to fight Sorcerers who are 10 to 100 times more numerous. And each sorcerer's goal is to awaken (reach the Root/The One)

>>97552551
Kind of yeah. Surprisingly the sorcerers manage to be more insanely and morally bankrupt (or, Magus-pilled, one might say) than actual true Magic mages. Every Mage in fate who reached true magic has been relatively quite wholesome and cool, on the other hand every nutjob aiming to reach the root is literally doing everything from a baby slaughter factory to a perpetual suffering engine to recreating historical figures as homunculi and culling them in a ritual gladiatorial combat. Magi will be magi

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>>97552562
Well, once a path to the root has been discovered it can never be used again. So if only the wholesome people doing wholesome things managed to get to it a wholesome way... then logic states the the only remaining ways are the baby slaughter factories or perpetual suffering engine ones.

Man, now I got more and more into the idea of emulating Archer, but also being a mage killer like Kerry. That's what happen when you look too much at cool art

>Don't feel bad about playing a Marauder though, technically Emiya's focus on swords and justice-tism could function as an Akashic
Well, it's mostly because I heard that Marauders are NPCs only. Like Nephandi. So I gave up on playing that. Akashic huh? Personally I think he's more of a hollow one. Or a failed hermetic.

>>97552629
Nephandi are even more NPC only because the writers loathe players having the wrong type of fun I think, despite having rules for making Nephandi PCs. Honestly, you do just play what you want. I think Kerry is more likely to be a failed Hermetic or Hollow One, Shirou is comparatively a lot more honest of a character so I think putting him into a tradition wouldn't be bad. Redman is so deep in the Euthanatoi-pill that you could not convince him that killing inconvenient things shouldn't be the first solution.

>>97551561
There's no fixing Mina because you'd need to convince her that she's done something wrong ever. Yeah she's a peach compared to the 300 year old serial killer that is Drifter but honestly most people are. She's way too much of a spoiled brat to be convinced to repent, let alone return to mortality (and age? Ick!).

As an aside holy shit Drifter is just a low humanity Gangrel and I love it.

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>>97552731
I mean, Shirou did manage to convince Redman otherwise in UBW

>>97552776
Drifter would be a rather kino encounter for WoD.
>Find random hobo going around because he's unhinged and might murder a couple of dudes
>Get to him
>He's speaking nonsense
>Turns out he's a gen 6 guy who's had longer than the age of the country to turn his life around
>he doesn't because he's all about the murder
It'd be kind of kino to just have a guy who's there to kill and annoy people.

>>97552798
I wouldn't say "convince" so much as he won archer over to consider there are bigger inconveniences to kill than Shirou. He was still a CG at the end of the day, Shirou got lucky that Archer saw him make good decisions for once to undo his neurotic doomerism

>>97552629
>Well, once a path to the root has been discovered it can never be used again. So if only the wholesome people doing wholesome things managed to get to it a wholesome way... then logic states the the only remaining ways are the baby slaughter factories or perpetual suffering engine ones.
Thing is, there are explicitly an infinite number of paths to the Root.
The larger problem is that there are only 5 true magics you can pull from it because pulling the 6th initiates the end of the world. You're going to have arch-nephandi and caine breathing down your neck long before baby-murder event looks like the most efficient option.

>>97552896
"Infinite" only goes so far when repurposing a ritual in fate makes it extremely unstable or prone to misfires like what happened with the Third Magic and the Zelretch dagger during Heaven's Feel. Also, sauce on the 6th Magic ending the world? I don't recall that

>>97550782
Mage hands typed this drivel. Sin-Eaters know better.

>>97552871
The one snag is that Deadlock vamps are pretty clearly a case of vampirism being a flat buff rather than something that scales, like in VtM and VtR. Drifter does scare Mina but it's not so vast a power gap that the game doesn't have them in the same weight class, as playable characters.

Honestly, I'd probably run Drifter as someone with a fairly unimpressive generation. Like somewhere in the 9th-12th range. Potentially bumped up from diablerie but not past 8th, just on account of opportunities. He's still a menace from being a proper Elder, probably with more exp than a typical vamp of his age because his love of killing keeps him active and spry, constantly having to stay on the move and avoid/fight off the many, many people who want him dusted.

Which splan would be the most annoying with a cockney accent?

>>97552181
>This could be useful but
>>6 dots of path sorcery
>>on a Mage
>Would be difficult.
Anon, run a sorcerer for magecraft users, not True Magick. Fate True Magic is such an obvious rip-off of MTA True Magick that you must have drawn the connection already.
Shiro Emiya is an Alchemy + Summoning(technology) + Oneiromancy sorcerer in pure classic wod terms.

>>97551905
You can replicate every magecraft in the fate franchise using sorcery/psychic powers from sorcerer revised. Nasu's entire universe(including garden of sinners and tsukihime) is basically an IP violation of classic world of darkness.

>>97552952
>basically an IP violation of classic world of darkness.
Kinda based

>>97552930
Drifter's kind of holding himself back I think, Mina's got more of an interesting use of her vampire abilities. Though I also wouldn't be surprised if Vampire shit is just not defined at all in Deadlock

>>97552875
>He was still a CG at the end of the day
I wasn’t aware you were allowed to quit being one

>>97552896
Wouldn’t Nephandi welcome the end? Or are they just mad they’re not the cause of it?

Plus on the sixth magic, again from wiki surfing and rumours, doesn’t it only just say that it’d be incredibly hard to bring back into the world? Something about human belief, and the difficulty of visualizing a concept that has yet to exist in this world, or something similar? It’d be as hard to take back into the world as having a train pass through the pin of a needle.

>>97552938
Sort of yeah. The setting itself is fairly unique but I do see the parallels in the way magic and magecraft work. It's not so blatant an IP violation as >>97552952 puts it IMO but I certainly see where it comes from. Especially when it comes to Magic and sorcery. A lot of Nasu's other shit like Mystic Eyes and the tiers of mystery though I think is pretty inspired schizobabble.

>>97552909
>Also, sauce on the 6th Magic ending the world? I don't recall that
It's shit from Fate: Notes short stories. IDK if it's still canon in the post-FGO-retcons era.

>>97552976
>Or are they just mad they’re not the cause of it?
"There are many who have designs upon this world
And dream of wild and vast reformations
I have heard them talking in their sleep
Of elegant mutations
And cunning annihilations
I have heard them whispering in the corners of crooked houses
And in the alleys and narrow back streets of this crooked creaking universe
Which they, with their new designs, would make straight and sound
But each of these new and ill-conceived designs
Is deranged in its heart
For they see this world as if it were alone and original
And not as only one of countless others
Whose nightmares all proceed
Like a hideous garden grown from a single seed
I have heard these dreamers talking in their sleep
And I stand waiting for them
As at the top of a darkened flight of stairs
They know nothing of me
And none of the secrets of my special plan
While I know every crooked creaking step of theirs"

>>97552976
>I wasn't aware you were allowed to quit being one
Technically because of Angry Mango's fuckery Redman isn't a canon Counter Guardian, he was summoned from Shirou's Bad End future due to his sincere wish to kill himself before he became a counter guardian. When Shirou made the proper choices to no longer end up in the same headspace EMIYA should have either become a Heroic Servant (proper) or a conceptual counter guardian from an alternate timeline like Assassin Emiya. So, you "can" quit by doing blatant timeline fuckery do to Magic like Heaven's Feel who's real Magical Effect as the Einzberns realized it is sacrificing artificial human souls bound to Saint Graphs in order to build up enough magical energy to grant a wish. The resurrecting of the dead here as servants is more magical innately than the wish granting.

For your second point, yes it would be hard but realistically not so incredibly hard compared to the rest of the Magics if it were possible. Nasu is very famous for exaggerating and flowery language, but we've also never seen a magus become a magician through their own efforts on-screen so the reality of how difficult reaching the root isn't something we're privy too. For context though, the closest attempts we've seen in person have been the Einzberns retracing Heaven's Feel, Kerry's dad Dead Apostle Time Reversal farm, Araya's infinite suffering engine that was incomplete without using Ryougi's origin unawakened, to his knowledge to complete the spiral to the root, and iirc El-Melloi shows us one attempt at it too. FGO has one with Chaldea's bullshit of resetting, preserving, and changing human history despite Chaldea not being Magic innately, but FGO is kind of nonsense to begin with.

>>97553000
Nice trips, though yeah Notes is so ancient and seemingly disconnected from everything that I don't consider it very canonical. Nasu's weird moon short stories are probably more canonical at this point, other than Gun God's chad gun.

>>97552976
>Wouldn’t Nephandi welcome the end? Or are they just mad they’re not the cause of it?
Because as AO, the way it ends the world is completely unknown, and many believe it'll be a full happy-ending like Ao says in tsukihime.
"Everyone rejoins the One and is purified of all sins" is not an end the nephandi would be happy with.
>>97553000
There's also references in tsukihime and mahou tsukai no yoru

>>97553000
>>97553024
Given how many retcons there have been, I don't really think arguing about canon has a point. Any conclusions we come to will be retconned at some point unless the franchise finally dies. Nasu sure as hell isn't going to stop fucking with it until it stops making money.

..God I miss the days when the church and clocktower were so distant and powerful that the fuyuki city grail war was considered a backwater ritual being conducted by hasbins and never-will-bes by the wider magical community. The moment the grail war become the most important thing in the entire setting is when all the mystique was destroyed.

>>97553053
I wonder what his next work will be? Surely we're owed some Church or Clocktower game or story from Nasu with the release of Mahoyo. Assuming Tsuki:RE(part 2) doesn't take another 5 years to come out and we don't get a very unnecessary Fate or HA remake. I hope desperately we get some Church content, more magus shit would be cool too given how morally bankrupt those bastards are.

>>97553053
>The moment the grail war become the most important thing in the entire setting is when all the mystique was destroyed.
This so fucking much. For how much his central premise revolved around mystery being destroyed every time you diluted something beautiful by revealing it to the normies, he didn't fucking hesitate to do it to his own fucking franchise.

>>97553085
To be fair, none of Nasu's direct works ever directly clue us into the workings of the Church or the Clocktower. It's mostly him handing off his IP to whatever fanboy writer Type-Moon manages to hire. It is a shitty way to manage the IP, but Nasu himself is kind of a chuunibyou as well

>>97552181
>sure the act of making a Reality Marble or a domain of sorts would be easiest on a Mage but the actual mechanics of UBW would need a lot of ST approval and overlap imo
I'm sure you can, it's just one of those things were there's basically fuck all to talk about.
You need Space/Correspondence 5 to create a pocket dimension + Prime 5 to create enforce the rules or automatically cast a spell.

>Magetards think basic bitch Natsuslop is deep
no wonder they're so fragile.

>>97553455
It's chuuni and that's all that matters for us Mage enjoyers. Mage is a chuuni game after all.
>>97553445
Seems about right, reality marbles are literally about being so autistic the earth stops working around you

>>97549508
Did you not read the emails about Epstein having mystical ambitions for the (intentionally) sexually abused kids as "resources" and whatever the fuck "awakening", "special intuition", "special abilities" and "potential" had to do with it.

Never mind Epstein's allocation of funds towards people implicated in the "discredited" MK ULTRA/Monarch affair.

Also the descendants of the founders of the futurist-facist movement Technocracy Inc from way back in the 1930s can be found in all sorts of key positions in the govt and corporate Big Tech world

I'm not saying it's literally WoD. That would be silly. I'm saying that the real world has real life technocratic (again, not like the Fictional technocracy of WoD) conspiracy to harness some kind of psychic potential that THEY believe to be real

Of course this could just be planted stuff to mislead people into thinking the elites are into voodoo mumbo jumbo. But what if it isn't?

>>97553506
Sorry for the schizo posting guys.

I'll head over to /x/

>>97550051
I love Slashers.
It's insane to me that one of the primary authors was Chuck Wendig.

>>97553520
>It's insane to me that one of the primary authors was Chuck Wendig.

Yeah, he's an excellent example of how much the last 10-15 years have driven people insane. He was involved in a lot of nWoD's best stuff. But unfortunately, social media in general and twitter in particular was the psycho-social equivalent of the atom bomb.

>>97552798
Bro, is literally an Assamite.

>>97553534
How did it rot his ability to write? Or is the writing for nWoD as bad as Aftermath and I'm just bedazzled by the concept and its diluted by better writers?

>>97553573
Well to put it mildly, writers fall off all the time. My immediate example is Orson Scott Card; I can't believe that dude wrote Ender's Game. I'm speaking as someone who does a good bit of writing myself, and not just for TTRPGs. Like any artform, you need to balance your rational mind with your heart to produce something of quality. Some writers produce their best work while in a bad place emotionally, but I can't think of one that made something good when their minds were being stunted and their emotions were undergoing regression.

How little writers interface with genuine, real-world experiences as the internet grows out of control and we all become more socially isolated is, in my opinion, the largest factor contributing to the general trend of writing depreciating in quality. Don't get me wrong, living an interesting life doesn't mean you could write an interesting story, but it's much harder to write an interesting story when you barely live. This doesn't just affect the recent crop of writers either, it affects existing writers who have had radical shifts in their lives and worldviews.

Also, as a less foundational thing: Writing for a TTRPG is a little different. Good ideas can carry things far better than it can writing, say, a novel. Even in a TTRPG as prose heavy as WoD. I haven't reread Slasher recently, but I recall finding it immensely enjoyable.

>>97551231
>Is this literally me posting?
yes. it's very difficult to RP it as I learned when I was the ST once

Rape all Tremere women

>>97553729
there is no such thing

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>>97553729
At least half of all "Tremere women" used to be guys.
Specially the ones that look underage.

>>97550051
For Masks and Brutes especially, the aura is 100% of their appeal. Masks cannot communicate whatsoever, they're mute and illiterate so they have to carry themselves on their presentation alone. As a bit of advice, if you're not 100% sure of a Slasher being a Mask, it's generally better to make them a Mutant as they can then talk a bit and that can shore up any weaknesses in their characterisation that standing menacingly in a cool mask, wouldn't otherwise cover.

Imagine being an awakened technocrat and being alerted that the local Etherite has accidentally let loose a giant angry dick sucking Frankenstein monster. How would you stop him?

>>97553720
It's insane to realise how something you take for granted just is/n't a thing for other people.
I didn't realise until I was a teenager that guilt wasn't a bit of poetic license, it's a thing that people can and do feel really strongly and it's a foundation of moral behaviour. Just this bad feeling that people get even if there's no consequences.

That's the foundation of not losing humanity from a bad action, your character feeling guilt. I still don't know how I describe that, nor what it makes a character *do* besides act mopey, I guess?

>>97552275
So the vampire needs to be punished for what he did in the past with death, even though there is a method of 100% irrevocably making sure that the vampire does not do it again?

>>97553969
Yeah, crimes must be punished.

>>97554114
Punishment is an aspect of prevention, an effort to stop further crime from happening again by dissuading the criminal with punishment, or to kill the criminal if it is believed that it is the only way of preventing them from continuing to harm others. All of which is entirely unnecessary if the individual can be objectively, irrevocably reformed to no longer be criminal. At that point, you're just making a person suffer because they once did things that they literally are no longer capable of doing.

Are the children of Mages more likely to awaken than usual? What happens if they don't awaken?

>Bad: Shoving the Mage Bad Ends into "Triatic Incarnae"-shaped Boxes
>Good: Using the three Marauder Subtypes (Madness, Denial and Morbidity) as inspiration for three new Wyld Incarnae.
>Madness/Volcano: an Incarnae of the Wyld that's effectively a Microcosm of the Wyld
>Denial/Earthquake: an Incarnae of the Wyld most like the Weaver
>Morbidity/Twister: an Incarnae of the Wyld most like the Wyrm

>>97554388
>Are the children of Mages more likely to awaken than usual?
yes, being around mages and the supernatural makes you more likely to awaken. How much more depends on the tradition with hermetics being at the top of how often they can make their apprentices awaken in general
>What happens if they don't awaken?
imagine you have parents who live in a completely different world than you and see your very existance as a disappointment despite it being no fault of your own at all and the best you can hope for is being a second class citizen in a horizon realm where you may or may not be hunted by bygones

>>97554404
it would be best to teach them some sorcery so they can at least defend themselves and use it to indoctrinate suitable sleepers

>>97554448
sorcery is already included in the perks of being a second class citizen on both the tradition and union side. full on sleepers without numina are third class citizen

When it comes to CofD in-book antagonists, which is your favourite?
Vampires have Stryx , Werewolves have the Idigam, Hunters have Slashers etc.

>>97554474
i prefer the random night horror critters who often just happen to want the same ressources as the major splats to the designated antagonist splats like the stryx

if i had to choose one i am weirdly found of the ghul because it's very easy to disconnect from vtr, can learn supernatural merits like a mortal and well most people don't want gold digger cannibal thaumaturges around

>>97554164
>At that point, you're just making a person suffer because they once did things that they literally are no longer capable of doing.
It about making things right. If you kill someone you can't just say sorry and expect everyone to forgive you. What if that was someone's father, son, a productive member of society, ect? Being sorry doesn't automatically make your victims any better. Murder is rather extreme but spending your unlife stealing or scamming will have consequences for the people in the receiving end.

>>97554545
Someone who has been absolutely and irrefutably reformed is not just sorry for their prior actions,they will not repeat them. In a world in which such reformation exists, choosing punishment over reformation is choosing to make someone suffer so that someone else can feel good, over choosing to turn someone who was previously a detriment to society to someone who does right by society. At which point, you care less about improving society and more about facilitating revenge. "Making things right" becomes spiritually justified sadism.

>>97554654
Nta but punishment is an aspect of reformation in that it makes the group more willing to accept the criminal. It's a sort of acceptance ritual. Of course, it also associates the punishment with the crime in the weaker minded and serves as a preventative measure. Few people are truly capable of reforming out of their own spirit.

>>97554682
>Few people are truly capable of reforming out of their own spirit.
This discussion hinges on the answer of "yes but why would you?" to the question "can you reform a leech through true faith?"
If a method of irrevocably, irrefutably, absolutely reforming a criminal individual without any use of punishment exists, then choosing punishment anyway is morally abhorrent.

>>97553472
My main gripe with using Mage as the basis for a Domain or Reality Marbles is that if you are capable of doing that, why would you? Sure, it looks pretty cool, but the moment you sense an actual threat, you have better tools for the job of killing a bitch.

>>97554725
This is true of course, but there's certainly no denying the rarity of such a scenario. Even as 10 TF gigachad I would imagine some people are beyond your ability to redeem

>>97554654
>Someone who has been absolutely and irrefutably reformed is not just sorry for their prior actions,they will not repeat them
That's great and all but what is he going to do to atone for his past actions? Assuming that that's even possible. You can't just steal a car and not give it back (not to mention compensating the owner for second order effects), punishment can include restitution.

>>97554754
Cause it's cool? I also kind of like that idea that creating a domain of your schizo autist tendencies allows you to more liberally spam vulgar magic without suffering from the paradox bullshit. That's the idea behind domains and reality marbles anyway, energy efficiency. Of course, energy efficiency doesn't actually matter for MtA anyway, but it's a cool idea.

>>97554775
Restitution is reasonable in such a scenario, but let's not that this is what >>97551950 had in mind. The obvious sentiment is "why would you reform a vampire when you can just kill them instead?" He didn't post a .gif of a shotgun being fired because he just wants vampires to pay reparations.

>>97552456
I might be showing my lack of faggotry against all odds, but is Hazard not a daddy? Or is hem ore of a bear?

>>97544869
Anyway I have a question for the thread, mostly comes from being fairly new to the game and lore and I've only played V5 with once having played in a Dark Ages one shot.

I understand the Diablerize is the ultimate taboo for vampires, but it's also allowed during a Blood Hunt. What is the fallout from that? Do other vampires now see you different because they know you're capable of it? Or is it more of a Purge movie situation, where it's fine since it was in a context where it was allowed?

>>97554490
I always struggle to rein in these sorts of threats. If Belial's Brood show up, there must be more in the next town/city and they've come from there, are they scouts for an invasion? That sort of thing. I find it very hard to just have a one-and-done threat. I used the Chimera Virus once and the PCs pivoted the entire campaign to deal with this because they were convinced of some Umbrella-tier shenanigans with the Ordo Dracul. Up to that point it was just one NPC who'd been infected and returned to town from elsewhere. By the time the PCs were done it was war on the streets.

>>97554839
Anon...that's an obvious shitpost you're talking about

>>97554868
Hazard is Bara, kind of bear-adjacent. Daddy material is more like, Reaper or Soldier 76.

>>97554886
>That sort of thing. I find it very hard to just have a one-and-done threat.
Yeah, I see where you are coming from, but you can have them as the echoes of a bigger problem. For example, the Belial Brood was purged from the next town over and came here to rebuild their forces, only to be stomped by the coterie.

>>97554916
We live in a post-ironic world, shitposting is sincere.

>>97554868
>Do other vampires now see you different because they know you're capable of it?
Think of it as knowing a guy who has killed someone but was aquitted. Some people will be fine with them and others might look at them wearily.

Even using v5, there is a loresheet for anarchs that removes some of the hazards of diablerizing camarilla vampires. It really depends on the sect, circumstances around it, and individual opinion.

>>97554886
that's also a beautiful thing about ghuls you can scale them up however high you want. they are made by ritual you don't need a second ghul to teach it to you

so you can have a one of and just have the notes lying around that explain how they turned themselves and how there really is nobody else involved or you can have a shadow cult that is as large as you need for for your game

same is true with a lot of the minior splats like skin thieves, all the immortals beside one and most night horrors

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has anyone actually ever used the demon translation guide to player dtf in cofd? do i need anything more beside my dtf books the translation guide and the blue book?

Gotta say that I like this discussion of Fate lore here. Unfortunately on /a/ there's barely any of it since it's all focused on waifus

>>97552463
>I'm sure there's a writeup to be had about how 99% of mages in Fate are basically just Marauders roleplaying at society
i am super late but it's kinda the opposite for most but also true for the emiyas

if you are not a super autism fag like shirou than your magecraft in fate uses self hypnotism to make yourself believe in your spell's foundation (think mage paradigm) which is also how mages can have spells of several foundation. the emiya's however don't use that because they are that mental

so mages actually use magic to make themselves more marauder like while shirou and kerry are just like that because they both been taught wrong on purpose

>>97554474
I'm actually gonna go with Idigam myself. I like the eldritch horror spirits.

>>97555686
Yeah Ghuls are cool. Had my hunter players fight a few.

>>97554886
Honestly, when players get a weird hyperfixation like that, it's best to humor them a little bit. It shows they're invested enough in your story to take initiative, even if it was in a direction you didn't expect.

>>97554868
My probably lukewarm take is that I'm really not a fan of the Blood Hunt diablerie lore than I'm pretty sure was introduced in V20, and doubled down on in V5. Diablerie as a Camarilla vampire should be something you have to be very sneaky about. I prefer the Revised era "eh, most Princes will turn a blind eye if you're gulping down Sabbat shits." angle.

>>97555757
>Magi use autosuggestion to believe in their Magecraft
Is that legit? I can't recall reading that because in KnK Araya, Alba, Tokuo, and fairy man are all unhinged psychos. I don't recall if in el Melloi it was different but I could believe it.

>>97555480
If anything it's probably closer to being next to a veteran who you are well aware that he tortured people.

>>97555699
You don't really need anything else but I recommend having the other Translation Guides in mind and pricing the lores the same way you do disciplines.

>>97555777
it's from casefiles the first two cases that did not get adapted from the anime talk about it in bits because it explains the whydunit from the second case

>>97555808
I'm not sure it's most Mages then. Maybe most "mages" but all the on-screen ones we see are definitely just unhinged.
>Touko has 0 regard if she lives or dies because she diffused her soul into a puppet hive mind
>Araya and his fun murder hotel
>Alba and his obsession with Touko
>Einzberns died out because they really wanted the root
>Zouken is legitimately a body snatcher
>Kirei :)
>El Melloi who looked like he believes his own hype
I can buy it that the Tokiomis are actually normal people, but most mages are not good examples. And that's before we get to shit like Strange Fake. I'll concede that Case Files probably speaks more to the general mage population which doesn't include autistic gloryhounds willing to die on the gamble that they're just Him

>>97555777
>>97555808
mind you not saying that this is the reason why mages are insane that's mostly because the clock tower society does just produces psychos in mass "the be a mage you need to be ready to walk with death" and all that and as reines says in the second case in her inner monologe there are a not small faction of mages who just enjoy being superhuman magic users and only pay lip service to the org's higher cause because the resources and education are better than what a spell caster (someone who uses magic for money) could get on their own

>>97555828
again this is not about being normal people or anything like that it's about making yourself believe in kabalism and angel summoning one moment and then norse myth the next and then go into fairy tale logic after that
most mages learn their family magic and then self suggest for everything else

>>97554395
All this marauder shizobabble just to say that we need static reality.

>>97555842
That's fair enough, yeah. I do believe most mages genuinely believe in the family tradition but all the circumstantial magic about Jupiter being in the 6th house or whatever probably is
>>97555829
I see, yeah that does seem right. I just presume, at least from examples like Touko who's basically the queen of the psychos and Araya, potentially Alice and Aoko too, that even mages not really deep or associated with the clocktower are just kind of not well adjusted.

>>97555875
A Marauder would create a much better reality than a technocrat.

>>97554395
Triatic aspects are the Wyrm's thing. There are ways to make the Weaver and the Wyld more interesting without giving them Weaver-flavored and Wyld-flavored versions of the Wyrm's shtick.

>>97555686
Which book are Ghuls in sorry? Googling just leads me to Ghouls.

>>97555875
I mean, Volcano, Earthquake and Twister work kinda great as Incarna of the themes behind the stuff the Wyld creates.
Volcano is the Incarna of the theme of "Creation Which Begets Creation".
Earthquake is the Incarna of the theme of "Creation Which Begets Transformation".
And Twister is the Incarna of the theme of "Creation Which Begets Destruction".

Also static reality wouldn't stop Marauders from existing.

>>97555921
Maybe the wyld should just be one big schizophrenic spectrum. No facts only raw emotions like getting angry about elves

One thing that I wish would have come from Mage that Nasu came up with is the concept of Magic Crest… though I guess it could be replicated with Grimoires, more specifically Primers. Though the concept of the crests and how it’s inherited is way cooler than reading a magic book/watching a magic movie.

I know little of the Order of Hermes, but how would you compare it to the Mage Organization?

>>97555921
The Weavers Seeds actually fill a Similar Role within it to the Triatic Wyrms.
Science is the Wyld Seed (which is why Machine and Patriarch are ripping it to bits)
Machine is the Weaver Seed
Patriach is the Wyrm Seed

>>97555932
VtR Night Horrors: The Wicked Dead.

>>97555993
Ah thanks very much. I'd forgotten about these guys, they felt like they had a bit too much overlap with the Lancea Sanctum for my liking but I do like that each of them are independent.

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Rate my Malkavian with Clinical Lycanthropy (30 XP, Additional Discipline gives a free dot of said Discipline, and two free dots of Humanity are provided for Neonates). Also provided for view are the stats of his 5 ghouls represented by 5 point of Retainers.

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>>97556041
They are just good boys

>>97555938
Different.
Same backstabbing, similar magic...different goals.
The Order of Hermes is simply one organisation who is part of a military alliance fighting against the dominant paradigm. Secrecy is a side-effect of both the ongoing war and paradox, it is not the goal. It is in fact the goal of all mages to achieve a grand Ascension, to awaken all humanity to true magic (in their own paradigm of course). Not to hide it from them.

The Mage's Organisation wants secrecy; it's the main goal. That's how it believes it can "maintain" Mystery after all. Through obfuscation.

>>97555890
Touko is actually the prime example for this her puppet magecraft is based on self image after all and she is the only mage known to be able to gaslight herself into being able to cast age of god spells (3 of norse runes) without a patron deity

>>97555938
look up the phylactery mage flaw in short your mage needs a phylactery to cast magic it can be a item it can be membership of a org and family and it can be all of the above and acording to the first case file case a lot of magic crests use phantasmal beast parts as basis to create a pseudo organ that is then implanted into the mage's heir which would be completely in line with the flaw then buy extra stuff for the 7 points the flaw gives you and you have a magic crest

>>97556041
never seen a sheet like that, but look like a fun character who is not a stereotype or a snowflake so nice, anon

>>97555798
>You don't really need anything else but I recommend having the other Translation Guides in mind and pricing the lores the same way you do disciplines.
yeah exp prices seem to be the think i need to adjust the most after all rituals exp prices are also based on the exp of the total lores needed for the ritual and i don't see anything about them in translation guide despite custom forms from the same book being adapted

so thanks for pointing me in the right direction

>>97556094
>Touko gaslighting herself
It helps that (the genius fool that she is) decided to implant mystic eyes of the same type on top of her own mystic eyes, so she effectively has Mystic Eyes of Suggestion (^2) since they bounce off of each other.
>>97555938
>>97556056
The Mage Organization having only internal enemies also makes it different from Traditions. Mage Org is 3 institutions in one (as of El-Melloi's current arc) going between traditional magecraft, alchemy, and spiritual magic, but they're mostly on good terms with each other. There's no technocracy that they're fighting against, simply the march of humanity that they're ordained by the heavens to lose against. They definitely don't help their case though, every branch has an enforcement agency for magical laws and rogue mages and they're basically worthless. We've seen more work out of independent Mage Killers and Church Assassins than any sealing designation enforcers from the Clocktower and friends

>>97555938
There's a lot of other concepts I actually appreciate about Fate even if it's mostly a bunch of insane stuff that isn't actually borrowed from Mage
>Magic Circuits
They're neat
>Mystic Eyes
They're VERY neat
>Origins/Elements
This is probably one of the coolest underexplored aspects of the Nasuverse imo. Everything between how an origin can be manifested or applied to a mystic code to have unique effects or how knowledge of one's origin can swing one's personality, to shit like Awakening (not Mage level Awakening but more like becoming aware of your purpose) giving literal superpowers and shit. I also think the setting is much more malleable to incorporating other phenomena like vampires or werewolves or fairies since everything that isn't a human is either an Earth Spirit or a human larping as an Earth Spirit. It's well baked before you get into the specifics.

>>97556139
On the bright side there's two ways to price ritual like effects. Geist prices them as (Rating X 2) while I forgot how woofs priced them.

Why isn’t there a modern night’s bloodline of Cappadocians descended from Lazarus mixed with the followers of Set?

>>97556370
Because that would require for anyone who gives a shit about them to do something.

>>97556370
Lazarus already has 3 bloodlines going on. leave poor old man be

>>97556400
Nah, they need at least 13 bloodlines based on this guy.

>>97544869
>Vampire bf/ werewolf gf
This is better than the other way around, change my mind

>>97555699
One pet peeve I have about the translation guide is that it uses the weirdly worded and wrong way to indicate DtF's torment that's in the core book. But then, with CofD's dice mechanics, the errata version would only start mattering at all once you reach Torment 8.
It's one of those mechanics that's way to tied to difficulty reductions as opposed to pure dice to properly translate into the new system.

>>97556400
Unless I’m really mistaken none of those are actually descended from Lazarus. For how much time Lazarus spent in Egypt with the Settites, you would think there would be some kind of serpentis/necromancy bloodline coming out of it

>>97556426
There's a table for that but odds are it would be pretty jank.

>>97556414
You don't like Underworld or something?

>>97556414
Main issue with this is that it is that it opens the possibility to unnatural hybrid abominations being born.
Male vampires have a number of ways to become fertile by accident, because all the methods that cause this are also methods that make sex fun again(Like Corpse in the Monster 5).

>>97556436
lamia, samedi and his normal line of cappadocians are all from his direct childe the only bloodline that isn't his in the classical sense are the harbingers of skullls but even then he is the head of the bloodline together with japeth's wraith in the political sense

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In mage terms he would only have Matter 1
lmao

>>97556557
yeah waver is mentioned as being completely unable to manifest anything out of nothing so no prime or forces, he needs items to resist stronger anti muggle mind wards that other mages don't even notice and he couldn't even heal a cat that got hit by a car

perception 9 tho

>>97556557
>>97556570
He has an easy Mind 2 or 3 though

>>97556498
Maybe im ignorant but youd think youd be more worried about female vampires becoming fertile considering that is part of the Bahari's schtick. t. Red Midwife

>>97556583
he has basic anti muggle wards at his office and managed to manipulate the mind of two elderly folk for weeks before they started to notice small holes in their false memories should be 2. with 3 he could shield his own mind and again he can't do that and needs to buy mystic codes that do it for him

in general waver is probably arete 2 and his problem is that this is his limit, but he keeps getting main character roles (zero, casefiles, adventure, fate/go events) so he has all that exp and nothing to put it into beside skills and occult specialization

>>97556607
Not many things replicate mortality for a full nine months.

>>97556426
yeah the guide mentions that it can't really do the high torment low torment dice rolls with the new system

any idea what to replace them with?

>>97556695
>any idea what to replace them with?
Turn them into pool modifiers using the difficulty chart?

Wait… Grimoires can grant you arete without the need of a seeking. They are a Wonder, which can be bought at chargen with freebies. So if someone spends 5 freebies on a level 5 grimoire, and raised his arete at 3… that means that he could start the game at arete 8, right? Or at least he could spend the beginning of the campaign studying his grimoire to raise his arete.

>>97556664
Dont forget it takes about 73 days to produce sperm too.

>>97556742
>it takes about 73 days to produce sperm too
Organs are preserved in the state they were on embrace though. Upon revivification a vampire is going to be their living self in the moment before embrace.

>>97556623
He probably has like occult 7 or something with how much bullshit he spouts by now. Easily 5 charisma though

I think instead of paradox die for M5 they should go with "marauder" die

>>97556732
Wouldn't this make you dependent on your Grimoire still, which sort of mitigates the advantage of high arete?

paradox die can also be a thing but should instead be rolled against you on behalf of whatever you want to use magick on.

so like if I use forces 3 on Mike but I have 3 paradox die then Mike gets to roll 3 die to counterspell me

>>97556732
Experience points still need to be spent, it's just the Seeking that isn't required. Nice try.

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>>97556732
Yes, but you still need to spend experience to make the Arete you gain from the book permanent, otherwise it only lasts for a week. Since studying a Grimoire takes 1 week per level of the book, you would not be able to stack the arete dots all the way to 8. The main benefit here is not needing to do a seeking.

Learning sphere on the other hand is significantly cheaper if you use M20 rules. In M20 the xp sphere cost with a grimoire is current Sphere rank x (7 - Grimoire level) for regular Spheres and Sphere rank x (6 - Grimoire level) for affinity Spheres. So for example John Dee's Grimoire (pic related) teaches Spirit at a cost of current Sphere rank x 2 as its a 5 dot Grimoire (so Spirit 5 would cost only 8 xp or 4 xp if you're a Dreamspeaker).

In Revised Grimoires suck pretty bad as the reduction is pitiful (current (Sphere rating x 7/6) - the Grimoire level), so end saving 5 xp with the very best and rarest books. M20 really buffed them. In addition in M20 they can teach abilities at half cost.

>>97556806
What would you call marauder die successes or failures then?

>>97556884
None of the example books in your pic raise Arete.

>>97556884
>In addition in M20 they can teach abilities at half cost.
That's what the library background in 2e did, so it's more of a return to form than a buff.

>>97556732
As an ST, I'd allow it, but I would ask that you still attend each session, as your characters spend their week and a month reading through the grimoire and soaking up its knowledge, while the rest of the group is actually doing stuff. Every half an hour or so, I'd turn to you and ask:
>So, what is your character doing right now?
Even though I already know the answer. By the time that your character has successfully finished reading the grimoire, you would have had to endure four or five sessions of sitting there, doing nothing, while the rest of us were actually playing a game together. Any session that you do not attend is a week of failed study with no increase to your Arete.

I think that's an adequate exchange.

>>97556884
>In Revised Grimoires suck pretty bad as the reduction is pitiful (current (Sphere rating x 7/6) - the Grimoire level)
I ignore the example text and make the XP equation Current rating x(8/7 - Grimoire Level). That way a level 5 grimoire will make it current level x 3

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>>97556940
M20 does have the rules for it. It's just that all of the Arete raising books are in Forged by Dragon's Fire. I can't think of a single Arete book being printed in M20, which is weird now that you mention it.

>>97556983
That's kind of a dick move desu

>>97557037
If someone tries to exploit RAW to start at Arete 8 using standard character creation rules and expects their ST to actually play along with it, I think they deserve it.

>>97556983
That’s the most no fun answer I’ve ever heard, and punishing for a mechanic available to players and aligned with their goal (ascend, which pretty much correlates with getting stronger). Not saying that you’re a bad ST, but you picked a bad answer.

Plus many games that I have played have days to weeks, even months to years (especially VTM) of downtime between story arcs. Or even just two sessions. Anyone could use that time instead while putting their grimoire on pause to deal with the adventure.

>>97555905
>t. Marauder

>>97557083
>Plus many games that I have played have days to weeks, even months to years (especially VTM) of downtime between story arcs. Or even just two sessions. Anyone could use that time instead while putting their grimoire on pause to deal with the adventure.
Just to spite the guy, I'd rewrite the entire chronicle on the fly to be an action-packed adventure that takes place over the course of a single month. If someone tries a cheeky trick to get an easy Arete 8 in a chronicle with standard creation rules (which means that the ST clearly isn't planning around Arete 8 shenanigans) the player is being no fun by knowingly disrupting whatever the ST is planning and deserves a no fun rebuttal in response.

>>97555875
What would Static Reality even look like anyway?

>>97557196
Anon, I think the pharaoh was right when he said that you have nothing but hate inside your heart!
>You have nothing inside your heart Anon! Also you dressed funny.

>>97557284
All of the Tellurian falling within a single unchanging reality zone with rigid rules regarding what is vulgar and what is coincidental, probably. The "the Technocracy won" world state assumes that any magic that looks like magic that is cast anywhere on Earth is vulgar, which comes close to this.

>>97557364
>A good ST would tolerate the bullshit of a player exploiting poorly written rules to upset the balance of a chronicle and ruin the entertainment that the ST has planned for the entire group!
Eat my entire ass. Anyone who tries to drag white room bullshit into an actual game deserves a very rough dicking from their ST.

>>97557387
Better be prepared for sloppy kisses while we do sweet monkey love

>>97557196
>can't punish him by making him cosmically unlucky
Are you a real ST or just trying to antagonize?

>>97550739
You use Presence like there's no tomorrow.
Or Path of Corruption, if you are that guy.

>>97556815
>>97556866
>>97556884
>>97557013
Honestly from my flawed understanding I pretty much assume that it was just extra points for “free”-bies. Plus I was still in the mindset of Fate’s Magic Crest with inheriting magic and skills. Now looking at those revised and 20th rules those grimoires are also pretty hard locked into only raising a sphere up to its level, or an arete up to two or three… which you can’t even use as a plot device to mass awaken people (or your progeny) because they first need to have arete one.

Though the M20 exp cost reduction for sphere is interesting. Wish it was similar for arete.

>>97557387
>and ruin the entertainment that the ST has planned for the entire group!
Trying to plan every session is the greatest mistake an ST can make. The thing you plan out will never, EVER be as fun as the situation the group creates organically and nothing you ever plan will actually go to plan.
So yes, a competent ST is not only able to deal with a player being a bit rules-lawyery, they can spin that to actually enhance the story rather than be a negative.
>TL;DR: Skill Issue.

>>97557630
In which case, why have any rules for character creation and why not allow everyone to make whatever they want? A competent ST will be able to work around that and players making their characters without any restraints will always be more fun than players making characters according to set rules.

>>97557628
Magecraft is a lot more like sorcery than Mage magic. it'd be like grafting an external magical item into your nervous system for you to activate your cool OC sorceries on command. Certainly extremely cool, but it's not magic. That said, simply telling your apprentices or progeny that there's bullshit in the air and that magic is real basically sets them up to be much more likely to awaken

>>97557628
>which you can’t even use as a plot device to mass awaken people (or your progeny) because they first need to have arete one.
That's what primers like the Kitab al-Alacir are for, but even they aren't capable of awakening everyone.

>>97557718
I thought that it was the same thing

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>>97550832
>>97551430
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>>97557624
The fact that NO ONE brought up Savage Genitalia is a shame on this general.

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>>97558068
What are you? Some dirty fomor? Tzitrash?

>>97558082
I am someone with good tastes, y'all blander than raw flour.

Are Garou immune to the Paradox? I know their "magic" is through spirits and the like, so it doesn't go through normal consensus, right?

>>97558130
>Are Garou immune to the Paradox?
Yeah.

>>97558068
>>97558082
>>97558094
Why do you guys insist on hurting innocent Garou with disgusting Fomori sex :(
Reading Freak Legion actually made me sad

>>97558130
Paradox only applies to Mages though I'd homerule that being the willing target of Magic should cause you to eat Paradox too

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>>97558184
It's just the local pentex trash.

>>97558184
It's easier to outsource RD destruction to Pentex, they can do whatever they want to them as long as they uphold their end of the deal.

>>97558196
>>97558209
Technocracy anons have no heart. Perhaps I should post the image

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>that animalism clan thread on /trash/

>>97558289
What is it about? Just furry shit?

>>97558312
Worse.
Feral shit.

>>97558320
This makes even less sense to me than furry shit, and I unironically Dolphin and Deer post on /k/

>>97558237
I have been conditioned to resist propaganda.

>>97558323
>animalism
Not even once.

>>97558345
>He feels nothing when he reads about Garou whimpering over their horrifying experience or PTSD from Fomori sex rape
Iterators sure are weird people

>frogposter browses /trash/

>>97556287
Once I made plans for a Fate game where the players would be demi-servants like Mash and fight in a HGW. The idea is that they were all homonculus with the origin of Synthesis, so they fused with the Servant spirit core. They would have fought for a mage family that manufactured the HGW just so they could keep summoning servants into their homonculus, and harvest their bodies for unique powers. Like summoning Medusa and harvest her mystic eyes. Or Siegfried and his dragon heart. Or any demigod for their divine blood. The players were in charge of maintaining the status quo, and pushing back the other masters.

Unfortunately the game never began. Players dropped out before it could start after weeks of preparation.

>animalism user is mad he got caught

>>97558733
That sounds so cool

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>“The werewolf could be anyone!”
>The Garou in question

>>97557284
You’re living it right now.

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>>97558804
Could be worse.

>>97558818
>The least cringiest Glass Walker

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>>97558825
Glass-sisters, they are laughing at us again. What do we do?

>There has been more discussion about Nasuverse shit than there has been about the entire Chronicles of Darkness
People really have nothing of value to say about CofD, huh?

>>97557993
Yeah, Primers require that you are ''halfway there'' so to speak before you can awaken. It's left vague what that means exactly, however, it is implied that you need a willpower of at least 5 (since all mages start with that as the bare minimum), in addition to a compatible paradigm or one that's close enough. So the Kitab would not be able to awaken someone who'd make a good shaman, witch or technocrat.

>>97559535
Kinda funny since these threads use to be mostly CofD discussion around 10 years ago. I especially wonder what happened to all the awakeningfags. They use to be the sweatiest white room munchkins possible and there used to be no Ascension discussion at all.

>>97559535
I feel like you could do Dark Souls style lore vids about CofD. People always say you're supposed to come up with your own lore, but I think it's more like it's supposed to be a mystery with a few clues across different books. Stuff like what happened to the Underworld, what are the True Fae, where vampires come from, etc.

>>97559535
CofD has fuck all to talk about. I'm working on some homebrew but I know exactly how uninteresting that is for most people.

>>97559535
cofd is dead dead like the most hype cofd got on here in recent memory was because someone ported v20 to it

and that's vtm and i feel like some maybe even most posters here, who actually have a group, are vtm only players. So obviously that would be talked about

>>97558804
i mean if the giovanni get away with it...

>>97558350
>People
Excuse you, I'm on my way to become a Computer.

>>97559782
CofDs population is much smaller because there's nothing to hook people in unless they are already familiar with WoD but are fed up with the rules being pretty shit.

>>97559535
Nasu is a based Mage plagiarist and a Chuunibyou, CofD is cool but doesn't have the same level of nonsense lore and funny bullshit going on

>>97559742
I'm always interested in anon homebrew, we get some good shit every now and then like the VtM conversion kit or the fan settings

Honestly you could probably make a Hashashin-influenced Craft for MtAsc.
They'd another instance of combining True Faith and Magick like the Templars, but they really wouldn't get along with them.
Yeah this is mostly a Nasuverse Reference, but can you blame me?

>>97559891
Hassans are the coolest so no, I cannot

>>97559891
if you want them to be a bit more unique in comparision to the templars and assamite you could lean into the fact that hassan's in fate are meant to give up their identity as they move up in the rank and how pretty much every hassan in the setting has failed to do so in a way that satisfied the founder

and you could also lead into angelic and demonic plasmids from wraith as things they summon to go with the whole azreal and cursed arm connection

so enlightment due to lost of identity and the shackels associated with it + connection to death and the underworld

>>97559891
>Hashashin-influenced Craft for MtAsc
Wouldn't the Ahl-I Batin cover this? I never read the book of crafts

>>97559956
Even the Founder failed to do so, as the Hassans were simply too good at their job. I wonder if the Hassans survived into modernity?

>>97560001
in fate? No. thousand faces was the last one. probably because he didn't really qualify for the job as cursed arm confirms in the sixth singularity due to the fact that his miracle was just schizophrenia (the whole several body thing is only something he can do as servant because the grail threw him a bone) and he was only picked because fate strange fake's assassin was too much of a zealot for the elders

>>97559988
The Batini are a mess of like 6 unrelated arabic mini-crafts. They do include assassins, but they also include sufi mystics, ascetics, weirdos obsessed with labyrinths that are resistant to nephandi and wyrm corruption and for some reason kabbalists that run a university in Israel. In fact I really don't know what the writers were going for here at all. It's all the problems with the assamites multiplied by 10. That's not even going into the elephant in the room which is that the Batini are supposed to be the 'Subtle Ones' who specialize in being unseen and can reach Arcane levels above 5, but also cannot EVER learn the Entropy sphere, which is how you create Arcane like effects in the first place.

>>97559988
they do have assassins but there is not much about them and the batini also forbid (at least before m20 wants us to take them seriously) entropy as a sphere in their paradigm which makes them amoung the worst assassins in the entire game

but they can take the arcane background at 6+ which is nice till you get forgotten by everyone you care about i guess

They are occulted Batini posters in this thread but we can't see or interact with them, because we can't roll enough successes.

>Join thread
>Have no clue what the fuck everyone is talking about

>>97559535
Second Edition basically went fuckit, everyone is in the Matrix. World of Darkness but generic with better rules (depending how you look at it) and a more flattened power curve, and almost no meta plot. They even released a conversion guide but something feels like it got lost along the way.

>>97560030
>Zealot-chan lost for being too devoted to a schizophrenic
Fuck, it's not fair bros. She was better in everyway
>>97560177
Nice digits, anyway I would highly recommend you read or watch some Fate of Nasuverse content. It's actually very good urban occult fantasy

>>97559535
I counter with: On Valentine's Day, it appears the overwhelming majority of people without a date were Magefags.

Are there any depictions of Father Wolf? I'm guessing he's a shapeshifter, since Wolf Gifts in 2e include shapechanging powers. I usually picture him as Hircine from Elder Scrolls but with a wolf head.

>>97560030
>tfw you lose because you’re considered more crazy than the schizophrenic with a literal thousand personalities

>>97560294
You seem particularly sensitive about CofD not doing so hot right now. Why is that?

>>97560312
>I usually picture him as Hircine from Elder Scrolls but with a wolf head.

I kinda like that, actually.

>>97559883
Maybe it's just a me thing but there's enough to reference that there's very little to talk about. So for example, let's say I want to translate something like Dead by Daylight into New World, you "just" combine Slasher and maybe Inferno and pull from Forsaken for good measure.
Everything is else is just a matter of sitting your ass down and write it.

>>97560294
Mages don't date, they have meaningless sex and then backstab their partner to get their essence back

>>97560368
mind you that schizo somehow managed to convince people that he was a women and on another occasion a little girl allegedly with pure acting skill alone despite being a middle aged middle eastern man... main problem being however that when he used that he mentally really did turn into a innocent scared little girl who made for a pretty shitty assassin

and somehow this was considered better than having 16 unique magic spells that can kill people, mages and some even solo armies

>>97560481
That's true enough, at least for CofD it's very adaptable without an insane amount of background lore to peddle out so you can just grab it wholesale. It's similar to DnD in that way, extremely adaptable. Of course, brand recognition and "marketing" (shilling out big bux for critical role and stranger things) really keep cofd kind of underground. It could be worse though, DnD is the most popular game on this board and the DnD threads are slow and of usually lower quality.

Changeling the Lost would be 900% more appealing if having a Durance and a Keeper wasn't the default.

>>97560543
To be fair, new Hassans are prized more for their ability to develop unique technical skills and diversify the abilities of the assassin orders than mastery of the older killing arts. In this case, the schizophrenic was just superior. It also kind of helps that because of the way Magecraft and other things work in Fate believing that the guy IS a middle-schooler will cause you and others to start perceiving him as one. It's a unique technique, but Nasu doesn't actually write enough about the Church and the modern day Assassins to really show the ramifications of Hassan. In theory, every journeyman assassin should be able to pull off small scale Zabaniya (cursed arm)

>>97560430
It was all the talk of Pangaea being a hunter's paradise in Dark Eras that made me think Hircine. Forsaken originally came out a few years after Bloodmoon, I wonder if there was "inspiration" from there. Although I guess associating wolves and hunting is not that original, and there aren't that many other similarities.

>>97560481
Well, just copying things isn't terribly engaging, but it's a whole other ball game if you want to talk adapting ideas. For example, you could run a similar premise to DbD as a plot hook in a game, either Hunter or Forsaken depending on how you want to approach it, and if you wanted you could probably do it entirely 100% with Forsaken alone. Perhaps a pack of Pure have for themselves a very powerful Totem that's happy to grant them additional boons of power if they put on this sort of twisted "hunt", wherein one pack member takes the role of "monster" and hunts, following a strict set of rules, a smattering of chosen mortals. Or perhaps there's an Idigam that drags human and supernatural alike into the shadow together to play this twisted game, with the winner taking all. Maybe, if you're playing it from a hunter perspective, sometimes the monster is a slasher, sometimes it's a werewolf, sometimes it's a particularly confused vampire. You got options.

If anything, it's just that there's been a general trend towards loreposting and shitposting over gameposting. And I'm not gonna take the cheap route and just blame it entirely on nogames, with all the good, quality game players having left. But it comes down to a lot of things, unfortunately. There's multiple gamelines in three different but related game systems each called WoD. If you don't like, or don't even know much about the splat the game takes place in, you can't add much to that. Secondly, and this is the crucial one: Stories about functional games and especially single characters don't get a lot of engagement. See: TQ responses. Stories about disasters get (you)s. Stories about that time your PC did something cool, or the Chronicle ended nicely doesn't prompt much engagement.

>>97560560
You mean official rules for Privateer and Loyalist play? Sort of like how in VtM there were resources for playing Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarch, and other? I could see that. You can still play that game, just with a bit more elbow grease required. Not too much would be needed for Privateer play. Courts wouldn't be accessible most of the time, you'd basically just get to benefit a shitload off of selling people to hobs and true fae, and you'd need to rely more on tokens and goblin contracts than a Freeholder. Loyalist could benefit more from proper rules, like unique boons from your True Fae.

Though I think you could still run a game like that with the existing rules. The other problem is that non-Freeholder Changelings have a much more specific appeal than the Freeholders.

>>97558825
"I want universal oneness. Can't you buy it for me, daddy?"

>>97560560
I kinda feel like that about vampires, it would be cooler if they just rose from their graves rather than having sires.

Re: a positive thing to say about CofD: I liked the bestiary books for the VtR line, as it is nice to not have to just replicate CC to make an adversary. I also like the translation to v20 that covered the different sects.

>>97560375
>Company that owns the IP cuts off all approvals because it's internal competition with the shitty 5th edition
>Editionwarring retards act like it's the fault of CofD and not Paradox

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>>97560647
Isn't there an old folk tale where a guy became a vampire because Hell didn't want him?

>>97560635
No, as in, remove the focus on True Fae shit entirely.

>>97560600
That's fair. Adapting things is probably a more engaging way of seeing crossovers.

Now that I think about it, the Fog would work best as a keeper given how restrained the power it gives are yet how bullshit their own powers are.

>>97560565
>To be fair, new Hassans are prized more for their ability to develop unique technical skills and diversify the abilities of the assassin orders than mastery of the older killing arts. In this case, the schizophrenic was just superior.
> In theory, every journeyman assassin should be able to pull off small scale Zabaniya
you seem to misunderstand what zabaniyas are they are not passed down in history at all they are the personal ace cards of the heads and need a lifetime and body modification to master.they are not lesser assassins in that guild running around with zabaniyas and zealot had to recreate them based on legends and Admits that some of them might just be new techniques with the same name because again nobody really knows a previous head's zabaniya
and being able to recreate eighteen of them while still being a young girl is what makes zealot so stupidly mega talented girl pretty much speedran something like 18 lifetimes worth of assassin study in a decade or so with pure piety fueled autism

>the Hashshashin, a cult that was zealotic by its very nature. Even in the innermost circles of the cult, however, she was scorned as a zealot among zealots. The past grandmasters of the cult had all performed a miracle bearing the name of Shaytān, and in doing so earned their titles. Each and every one of them was shocked by her deeds. None of them was prepared to believe what they had seen. She was but a young girl, a mere lamb—How could she master all the miracles performed by the preceding 18 grandmasters?

the only reason why she didn't get the title zealot is because she scared the elders and was stupid enough to accept obviously faulty reasoning because you know: faith
>“And thus, you are weak of faith. We cannot bestow the title of grandmaster unto one such as yourself.” That argument was mere sophistry. And yet, she accepted it wholeheartedly.
so they choose someone who was just born with a disorder instead and it tanked the entire guild