Previous: >>97538475Pip conundrum edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:Now that the committee made the objectively correct choice and peace is restored, what's actually your favorite hybrid card?
>Committee made the right choiceThey didn't, and they are still going to do it, just not now.Hybrids are OR not ANDSo therefore they never should have "broken color identity" in the first place. We are championing a retard's poor choice years ago and we shouldn't.Need to say the truthnuke you sheep can't handle again.
>Bait TQ makes multiple OPs also thinks Gay Bolas isn't the soul of not just /edhg/, but MtG as a wholeHmm...
>>97545571They are AND though. I can Pyroblast your Wistfulness.
>>97545571>j...just not nowjust two more weeks anon I'm sure! You can shut the fuck up until then>TQKino in Xenagos
>>97545571And/or dont matter in magic. Its just pips and color identity. And the pip is there.>but color identity is arbitraryAll rules for all games for all formats are ultimately arbitrary.>color identity isnt true to the original ruling actually!Yes it is. Bosh and Memnarch were printed years after EDH started so there was never a reason to include text boxes in color identity, as not a single legendary had pips in its textbox that werent in the casting cost before those two legendaries. It was just updated to work with the new design atmosphere.
>>97545591genuinely sorry anon, gay bolas is honest fun, notice how nobody had a problem with it until I poked fun at the hybridfag, who is known for spam reporting. In retrospect I should have just removed the url not the whole section
>>97545651In EDH* not in magic.
>shitposter finally forced to cut out the link to a literal furry porn wbesiteMODS = GODS
>>97545540>TQthe chad Boros Reckoner
>>97545663>Last thread still upHmm...
Blue staples for a bracket 3 blue deck are so insanely cheap it feels bad to not just force every archetype into mono blue or maybe ux.
New coomette just dropped
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97545684just buy an ad coomette
>>97545540>Now that the committee made the objectively correct choice and peace is restored, what's actually your favorite hybrid card?Overbeing of Myth is a good pick. Lorwyn's take on UG is my favorite by far, and the art is perfectly>>97545591>furfag tourist trying to dictate the "soul of MtG"lmao
>>97545672>jannies have to see what the problem is in order to moderate and I deliberately hid the link among other links knowing most of the time they'd miss it!!!!!Probably shouldn't brag about that shit bud
>>97545692There is no "coomette" it's some tranny trying to pseudonamefag
What is your power level? Not your deck's power level, your power level as a mage. Provide a brief explaination about it.
>>97545723>In OP for months>Before that was a ritualpost for years>Got into the actual in-game storyYou lost.
>>97545740Level 92 halfway to level 99
>>97545756>break board rules>deliberately try to obscure it>finally get caught>ban evadeYou sound like a real winner
>>97545740Since you didn't give the range of the scale I'm just going to use 1-10.4. Little below the average, not applying myself, but enough to not be bottom of the barrel while I'm just trying to have a good time.
>>97545740I'm a level 4 tuner monster that's basically a garnet. I'm basically only useful as a bridge you want to summon one time and never recur. I am literally least-useful when drawn in the starting hand and I don't even have the novelty of being the "bad/jank card" of my own deck, because that honor goes to Dora Dora.
>>97545756It would seem you lost as your thread was deleted and you didnt include the link this time :o
>>97545757Ah, kenshi logic. Why do you say that?
>>97545763>Become beloved part of board culture>Spawns a beloved fan story that gives so much depth to two characters even the game designers take notice>Gets put in the official story>Ascends to a place in the OP, permanently making troons seethe they could never produce something as peak as Gay BolasTotal victory.
>>97545794>>Become beloved part of board cultureDelusional furfag
>>97545740I am an ascendant. I have no need for power, I am beyond the concept entirely. Unfortunately, that means I'm beyond caring about anything at all, so I could never be at the top. I'd say a Virgil amd a half out of a possible Alucard. Roughly one Fat Buu.
>>97545786OP here, I deleted the thread myself before it was spam reported by a certain very upset anon, and rebakedYou can check here https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97545458
>>97545794>Confusing tolerated with belovedOof.
>>97545811>>97545818Local troon SEETHING at success of others and the collective victory of /edhg/ making the first Vorthos win in 20 years.
>>9754574028M, only 2 more years to go
Mana rocks should not be auto include in every Commander deck. Yes, even Arcane Signet
>>97545882I truly don't know what the influencer obsession with mana rocks is all about. They are objectively auto includes in 98% of all decks and bringing up the tiny pool of commanders that don't need them is fucking stupid. More mana per game means more spells per game, even if you don't need the acceleration.
>>97545876Hells yeah anon. You got this.
>>97545829The amount of mental gymnastics you are doing while calling others troons is ironic
>>97545902Well, in real formats they arent played at all, because they dont contribute to your gameplan unless they're doing something specifc. EDH is high enough variance that taking a turn off isnt met with an insurmountable tempo disadvantage. Due to the inflated life totals and singleton decks, strategy is less about being efficent, and more about slamming your commander as soon as you can, forcing an answer, then pivoting.As the card pool expands, rocks will get progressively less useful.
I'm new to Magic and I'm making a deck for each color. I get the idea of monoBlack being an absolute bastard and exchanging life for power, but I'm having a hard time translating that into a representative deck that is more than just hurrr make creature kill creature. Anybody got some deckbuilding advice?
>>97545933I would say it's more about the format getting faster overall that makes rocks bad.There was a time when Rampant Growth was considered too powerful to print in Standard because the format was slow enough taking a turn off to ramp was extremely safe. Now that midrange threatens lethal on turn 4 that's no longer an option.Something similar will happen in EDH as R&D continues shitting out untested garbage.
>>97545902A lot of them think they can bring ideas from 60 card over whole cloth making them enlightened. The rest of them took the good advice of making sure your ramp is meaningful and spun it off into clickbait. There's an argument for not running 3 cost ramp in anything that isn't landfall, synergistic, or with a commander with less than 5CMC. There's a completely different argument where people twist themselves into knots pretending their 2 cost 2/2 value creature is going to contribute more to the game than a 2 cost rock. Whenever I see someone bring their 60 card value approach to casual commander they're always the first to eat removal spells and usually hated out. Like it's cool you stuck a Dauthi Voidwalker on turn 2 and swung it at someone who ramped on turn 3. But now you have an enemy who wants you dead and more mana to make it happen. I'm talking about that faggot Trinket Mage by the way.
>>97545908I accept your concession.
>>97545740I was a powerful wizard when I hit 30, now a succubus got to me and drained all my power. Now I'm level 32 but I can barely keep up with a level 1 and a level 0.3.
>>97545814Why delete it? Because you know it would get deleted. The end result is the same your way is much more gutless and shameful though
>>97545933>Well, in real formats they arent played at all,Cool, this is not those formats. Having 3 opponents changes wincons, requires more mana.>As the card pool expands, rocks will get progressively less useful.Not unless they start printing mana advantage on 2cmc commanders>>97545981>I'm talking about that faggot Trinket Mage by the way.The diaperfag (pic related) has the exact same takes, but they're friends afaik
>>97545902Mana rocks are a relic from when the average CMC of a deck was double what it is now. Youre just wasting 3 turns anon
>>97545943"Make creature kill creature give me creature", "burn you for thinking", and "I make new rat" is pretty much what monoblack does. Vincent Valentine has been the only monoblack commander I've enjoyed playing but he's firmly in the "kill creature" camp.
>>97546003Hilariously wrong. As long as it takes ~8 mana to win your average game, mana rocks will always have a place. In a casual game t1 land, sol ring, arcane signet is still the strongest opening play. Having 5 mana to work with t2 is objectively better than playing your shitty 1 drop t1 and only being able to play a 2 drop t2
>>97546003That's why no one plays mana rocks in cEDH.
>>97545976Yup, the only reason rocks are permitted at all is because the format is singleton and a single piece of artifact removal is better saved for something more impactful, because using it incorrectly or as a tempo play is the wrong choice. People dont run null rod or kataki. There's no reasonable artifact sweeper that hits all players quickly and consistently, and even if there was you couldnt splash it off colour. So, there's this unspoken agreement where if you dont touch mine I wont touch yours.Now mox and mana postive rocks? Always good, unless they are gated behind power level concerns. Not every deck wants chrome mox, mox diamond, or mox opal, but some deck will always want them.
>>97546016No that is a factual statement.>>97546021Are you trying to win turn 1? If so things change.
>>97545991See>>97545652I am way before his machinations and he didn't have it his way, and now my TQ is rubbing on his face for the next few hours. So all is good in my book and this is my last meta thread post
>>97546033Dont worry anon, thank you for making the OP at all. Cant make everyone happy, and some people need attention.
>>97545984This wasn't a debate. You think gay bolas is the golden meme that somehow makes it and you exempt from site rules. You ban evaded and start to throw a melty over it and straw manning everyone who is giving you any slight pushback as hybridfags and troons, which is troon behavior.You being a mentally ill retarded faggot is just an objective fact. If you don't like being a mentally ill retarded faggot, change your behavior.
>>97546032>No that is a factual statement.*Now that is a factual statement
>>97546004Well I guess if that's the way Black is I might as well make a Ratatouille deck. Thanks anon
>>97546021>That's why no one plays mana rocks in cEDH.Are moxs and mana vault not mana rocks?
>>97546107Not really. Closer to rituals.
>>97546110>They are not artifacts that produce manaI see you are trying to move the goal posts so you can be not wrong.Last winning bluefarm deck list by the way. Hard to argue fellwar, sol ring, and arcane signet aren't rocks.And most decklists of bluefarm and decks outside of blue farm have very similar artifact lists.So. You're wrong.
>>97546120Sol ring is insanely busted, legal only in vintage, and mana positive. So, that deck runs three rocks that arent mana positive. Three. The deck you're jerking off about has three mana rocks. Talisman of Progress, Fellwar Stone, and Arcane signet. That post isnt saying what you think it does.
>>97546135>mana rocks are a waste!>ok fine it's good to have 3...lol stop listening to trinket mage
>>97546055man you really are mad about the hybrid thing huhyou need to let go, it's been settledcan I interest you in some red artifacts so we can get back on track? This one feels like it could go crazy but I'm not sure what to exile with it
>>97546135>That's why no one plays mana rocks in cEDH.>Actually they only run the right kind of rocks!!!!!!!!You're wrong. Stop replying. Accept that you were wrong.
>>97546137>>97546139Youre both dumb though. Cedh rocks are to get 10 mana on turn 2. But for you its just>durrr more mana means more spells over the course of the gameYou cant appeal to cedh while ignoring the intent behind the card choices, nor the different ways in which they play out.
>>97546153>as if cedh doesn't go durrr more mana means more spells over the course of the gamestill using mana rocks baby WOOOHOOOO
>>97545943Isn't Krrikri or whatever his name is literally what you're looking for? the one that makes all your B pips into manaPaying in blood to revive demons sounds like itIf you mean "power" in the literal mtg meta sense, unfortunately you can't pay life to access the most powerful strategies as a whole (stack manipulation)
>>97546153>Make a definitive statement that is false>Just keep trying to move the goalposts Nah. They objectively, provably use rocks.Getting more mana faster to make big plays is just as effective in lower brackets.Your cope to prove they are somehow bad, just proves that they are factually good.
>>97546157Youre still ignoring the context when it is given right to you. Tragic how niggerfied the youth are.
>>97546137>>97546139Oh, that was bait. Good to know which anon constantly talks about blue farm. Saves me some headaches honestly. Go on, do your little dance. If you want to discuss magic you are more than welcome.
>>97546168>You proved me wrong, so its bait!Quite the cope, but if you're going to shut up I'll accept it.
>>97546163I did no such thing :) I corrected two retards. Rocks are bad, and 90% of them would be better served as lands or card draw in the same decks. You need ~10 to reliably have that mana be factored in to your gameplan and on average you'll still only see one or two rocks a game. Thats 4 mana on rocks, which is likely going to be 2 spells. Lets say you get them out t2/t3 (optimal). Youre MAYBE casting teo to three more spells over the course of a casual game which.... is just one more than if you skipped the rocks and your deck is now not full of more shit rocks you dont need to play
>>97546107I was being facetious. People play 2 cost rocks in cEDH. Arcane Signet and Fellwar Stone most often.
still my aristocrats queennever gonna swap you
>>97546183>I did no such thing :)>>97546032That's why no one plays mana rocks in cEDH.If this wasn't you, then it wasn't you, but you are still arguing for its efficacy which is exactly the same as saying it. So, congratulations, you are as dumb and wrong as the person who said it.Feel free to take your epic "jajaja LAST WORD!" reply. I've already definitely won this argument.
>>97546182Would you like to discuss it in a civilized fashion, or are you shitposting? Right now it appears you are shitposting, so you will have to exercise more restraint if you'd like to continue this conversation.
>>97546165>>97546168we're not the ones crying that casuals are only emulating their cedh counterparts by running mana rocks btw
>>97546192Yes yes elk we all know about the boob window. Aren't you meant to be gay?
>>97546195>That's why no one plays mana rocks in cEDH.and yet they do, arcane signets talismans and fellwar stones are everywhere :)
>>97546202Oko met Teysa? I don't follow the story
>>97546199You're going to have to do better than that.
>>97546183>You need ~10funnily enough if you look at the 13 artifacts in the blue farm list>>97546120and you discount LED (discard outlet) grinding station and wishclaw talisman there are exactly 10 cards (wowzers!!) that do nothing else but produce mana so thanks for admitting that mana rocks are good kek
>>97546223we're already doing better by running rocks while you don't
>>97546236Neat, can I see?
>>97546231That doesnt refute or even address my post anon
>>97546239nta, can I see a deck that plays decent without rocks? unironically interested, been mulling over this topic for a while and was unsuccesful trying it with rakdos Chainer
>>97546246>you need 10 rocks to reliably do shit!>show a deck with 10 rocks>doesn't count!kekaroo
>>97545740Unironically a 7/10. Im good enough to play with the real schizos but still normie enough for wanting creature comforts over power
>>97546256Only three mana rocks. Seven are mana positive rituals, and new lists dont play mox diamond.
>>97546266>a rock can't be mana positiveschizo definition>new lists don't play diamonduh huh proof next thread? lol
>>97546250Sure.https://moxfield.com/decks/VE7W20PxOEGzUip8UDbX5Q
>>97545684Did you check my fucking mail?
>>97546055No matter how much you seethe, it won't change how hard gay bolas anon mogged you the moment Tarkir's story came out.
>>97546284>see? i don't run rocks because I run a commander that actively prevents me from running rocks
>>97546302And? When you were pretending to be another anon so you could shitpost, you asked to see a list without rocks. And now you have it.
>>97546316>guys rocks are bad!>see i run a commander that stops everyone from running rocks!>so stop putting rocks on your lists or else kataki's gonna git ya!
Is this no rocks or unlimited rocks?
>play my dogshit ognis budget deck at game night>keep losing because ~$1k selesnya toughness matters lifegain token deck keeps running free>but only because budget fairies player keeps removing my shit>fairies finally fairies get switched out for some tame UB deck>get an absolute beast hand and hammer selesnya and rest of the table down with growing haste flyers thanks to mazirekif I would commit in more tall creature strategies, the deck would be such a beast
Wow turns out that rocks become less good when Null Rod is on the field who could have seen that one
>>97546321unlimited flicker engine setup
>>97546286>Revel in Riches>Not Revel in BitchesPlease step up.
>>97546319Seems like your skill issue. You're trying really hard to make people mad, but doing very little beyond clearly documenting yourself.
>>97545540Would you be very offended if I wanted to play it as my Commander?
>>97546345Yes, but only because you're using the vastly inferior art
>>97546223>imagine all dressing in clown getup and then depansing for a jokethis used to be a good country
>>97546337yeah so anyway we're gonna run rocks and you should stop listening to sloptubers, easy dub
>>97546250nta, but my decks with access to green use no rocks except for sol ring
My ex made me this and I have no idea what to do with it lol
testing the local print shop to see if I can't get good enough card quality to make an entire deck of proxies
>>97546381frieren is not smug
>>97546381I just use my library, can't really tell behind sleeves
>>97546373Burn it?
>>97546284I'm really a different anonTechnically yes that's a deck that performs without rocks, but kind of a fringe case since it's actively trying to hate on artifacts. I'm thinking more of a deck building philosophy, to build any "normal" deck without rocks. Have you playtested any deck like this?
The worst part about edh is i can't build enough decks to play cards i like.I wanna build a deck using stuff like Temporal Extortion, Dash Hopes and Pain's Reward but it just makes me want to build a really shitty Braids deck.
>>97546286I didn't see that banner of kinship listed
>>97546370can I see? I guess green is different since you wouldn't count Rampant growth as a rock
>>97546419Might have sold out
>>97546408Dont fall for it anon, it's a trap.
what are you guys opinion on powercreep as a concept.
>>97546373Well it has the Gaywatch on it so that's pretty lame but the effort involved is pretty cool, I'd say keep it.
>>97546451I'm a waxing/waning kinda guy. Number-go-up is cringetarded.
>>97546448what trap?
>>97546451Pretty bad.Some people will argue that it's inevitable in an eternal format because people need reasons to buy new cards over old, but I don't think that's true.There is plenty of design space to explore that justifies buying new cards without just giving them more text or better stats than old cards.In Commander in particular I like my decks to have longevity. I don't mind adding a couple new cards a year, but I hate having a commander I like be completely outpaced in what it does by a new card
>>97546451Impossible not to happen,so over all I'm fine with it, but shit like spiderpunk then hexing squelcher immediately after is kind of stupid.
>>97546460It. It's a trap. I have seen many traps in my day, this is one.
>>97546451it feel like the power creep in mtg was going at a pretty steady pace until MH/lawd dem rangs
>>97546463Power creep absolutely is inevitable, it can be mitigated, but never removed. Even if you were somehow only ever print each specific effect on a card once ever, you'd still run into power creep since eventually as you explored design space, you'd run into concepts that are just... better than old ones. And similarly, checking for balance becomes increasingly impossible as you add more cards due to the increasing complexity of the equation.That being said, Wizards does an absolute shit job at managing power creep now and has for like a decade at this point. They used to be a lot better at it, but at a certain point they made a series of decisions that incrementally made it worse and worse.
>>97546451Inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing in gestalt, the biggest sin is that it makes kino sets that lower the power level be remembered unfondly, ex Real Kamigawa, Homelands, The Dark.
>>97546488>3 manatoo slow
>>97546451powercreep is inevitable and given mtg is paper and can't be buffed it's more palpablebut that only means the old cards just need a home, especially when they are basically time capsules of what mtg used to be in a certain time period, and closed formats like premodern allow at least the great cards of the past that have now been powercrept by time to have a place and "retire with dignity"
>>97546482It really took off with WAR although MH1 was almost immediately after.
>>97546489>That being said, Wizards does an absolute shit job at managing power creep now and has for like a decade at this point. They used to be a lot better at it, but at a certain point they made a series of decisions that incrementally made it worse and worse.i suspect that wotc saw back in 2018 that the writing was on the wall that commander would be the new face of the game therefore a large uplift of powerlevel was needed to make chase rares and mythics viable in a 40 life 4man FFA>>97546523correct it did take off with WAR, wotc even say as much with FIRE design
>inevitableMaybe, but a waxing/waning approach really does a lot to slow it down. The only downside is people bitching about weak sets.
>>97545700Self-reported as newfag that doesn't know it was around since 2012
>>97546500being simic, the 3 cmc is the most balanced part of this card
>>97546489>Power creep absolutely is inevitable>as you explored design space, you'd run into concepts that are just... better than old onesHard disagree. Especially since its entirely up to Wizards how much they print for a particular concept. They could hit upon a keyword that turns out to be absolutely busted, but if they exercise restraint in how much they revisit that keyword, and print effects that counterplay against it, the relative powerlevel doesn't shift.I'd say annihilator is a pretty good example. If they printed annihilator on fucking everything, you'd be a fool for running creatures that don't have it since it's just strictly better than attacking normally. But Wizards hasn't done that, they've kept it largely to Eldrazi and that is a niche archetype people don't go out of their way to play over other options.Yugioh balance works quite similarly in that they design solely around cards that share a name so they're almost never splashable. The problem is Konami loves money and has fully bought into the "we have to print busted shit every new set to motivate people to buy more" philosophy, but Magic to an extent is immunized against that so long as WotC designs around Standard which has rotation as a justification to buy new sets.The more straight to commander and straight to modern they print, the more powercreep there will be. Pick related is always what I think of for that. Fucking insane value on a 1 mana instant
>>97546350Well, forgive me that 4chan has that funny feature you cannot post one image twice in the same thread.
Reprint Galadriel's Dismissal
>>97546570>I've been here all summer, honest! UwUYeah yeah, now back to furniggerville with you, li'l tourist.
>>97546616And it sees zero play. Personally I think of this.
>>97546616it doesn't even have to be annihilator, it's as simple as tutor vs drawnobody in their right mind would print "B instant search your library for 3 cards" as that's completely busted but since draw is by nature random and you could brick by getting all lands it's hard to calculate the exact mana value to card ratio and garfield (a math major) still printed ancestral recallnot to mention you have to consider draw spells that would have to simultaneously be fine in 60 card and 99 card land, and even more problems abound if said spell is in standard because you're going to have to think about 40 card draft format tooso in wotc's quest to balance draw a lot of draw spells simply got powercrept and rhystic in particular blew away other cards because of something its designers never could've possibly foreseen, powercreep is inevitable precisely because it can happens because of reasons totally beyond any designer's control
>>97546451I've said it before, I'll say it again, if commander is to survive every single commander with "draw a card" on it in ant capacity needs to be banned. All of them. Just say "as the format evolved, drawing cards attatched to a situation linked to a card you always have access to became too powerful, and we have limited the format to avoid creating a situations where the entire game revolves around drawing cards with your commander". Let people scream for two weeks, print a few precons with outrageously kickass reprints as a consolidation prize, and call it a day.
>>97546710Nah that card is objectively worse. It's just hexproof and +4/+4 until end of turn, and at 2 mana if you want both effects. There's literally dozens of cards that say that and +4/+4 is situational. It doesn't even untap.Gift of the Viper might as well say "i win this combat matchup" on it, and the fact that the effects stay on the card is fucking wild.There are directly comparable cards like pic related at the same cost of G. GotV is a massive upgrade on that, strictly better, which is my entire point.
>>97546742PreEDH is down the hall and to the leftbonus points you can rejoin reality at any time and just say you're bracket 1
>>97546743Anon, vines of vastwood was printed in original zendikar. This is what it was powercrept into.
>>97546749Funny, in your flippant response you agreed with me that card draw attatched to your commander is so outrageously broken you need to go to an entirely different format because it's a quintessential game design feature that cannot be changed. I'm not worried, dont hate because I told the truth.
>>97546751>I didn't post both cards I was trying to compareOkay?
>>97546764i'm not arguing against your sentiments of what "real edh" is, i'm just saying you have a home so you're safe from the ravages of time
>>97546769My bad. I'm a little drunk and I was thinking about infect decks circa 2014ish and didnt explain myself.
>>97546775Other than, you know, Zur for Necropotence. But it isnt about "real" edh, it's that very soon any commander that doesnt draw cards will not be played.
>>97546779We love and accept you just the way you are, anon
>>97546785Thanks anon, I needed that.
so i got a dumb question, if i had one of these on this, and played some phyrexian, and made the token, which is actually a copy of essence of orthodoxy, would token copy of essence of orthodoxy come in with 2 counters?
>>97546828whoops
>>97546828Why would essence of orthodoxy have any counters?
>>97546828>>97546832yes
>>97546451>>97546463>>97546489>>97546505>>97546616>>97546732>>97546743>>97546742I am the anon that asked about powercreep , I do agree with the sentiment that powercreep is inevitable , even asian telegramas could be argued to have powercreep.is just , I am a little bit curios on how card games use their powercreep.normal games have powercreep , but even well balanced card games are a fundamental different level , and bad balanced card games are at an even bigger level.and modern card games seem to be at an even higher level.it seems like card games are desinged around powercreep as a central game mechanic , like how fighting games have motion imputs as a central game mechanic.could you make a card game that has normal powercreep , like the powercreep of a fighting game for example.
>>97546832>The new copy of orthodox sees itself enter, as well as the other one sees it enter>Exponentially building incubate tokensIf only incubate wasn't shit.
>>97545571two more weeks
>>97546667I accept your concession.
>oh boy i do love defender!>now lets build around a commander that flips everything about defender completely on its head and lets me use them as any other beatstick is there a name for this retardation?
>>97546286CHRIST those are hot. NEED that Katara
>>97546947>>97546875powercreep? (its actually just fire game desing , but I want you to help my autism.)
>>97546286I hate post-AI world so much
>>97546947I have Jenara as my commander and have this fella in there just purely for card draw. Not sorry.
>>97546286>>97546961If these cards showed up at my table, I'd tell you to put in real ones or leave.
>>97546972And I'd ignore you.
>>97546972Don't act like it's a rare pleasure in life to play at your table.
>>97546947I wanted to make a deck with vent sentinel effects (it's just vent sentinel and blight pile) and the most popular commander seems to be thantis.
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>>97546991I have gathered and put away my defender cards so many times specifically becauss of the two you mentioned. I like them. I want them. Thantis may indeed be the play thank you anon.
>>97546947>kill commander and deck stops working>no alternative in the colours that can be used if commander gets the rope too many timeswow gggreat commander
>>97546985It is a rare pleasure to actually play with mature adults, you wouldn't know.
>>97547009>killing something in bantsure, they wont always have hit, but they certainly got all the tools to prevent that
>>97547009There is honestly an overwhelming number of redundancies available for him
>>97547004Blue or white are the best defender colors, but there's no obvious grixis or mardu commander (alesha I guess). Pramikon doesn't let you play both vent and pile. I briefly considered carnage with deadpool's """blink""" package since his reanimation downside doesn't matter for defenders. But thantis had green which is the third best defender support color, I suppose, and is on theme for "don't attack me."
>>97547009That's about 95% of commanders
>>97547001What's the joke?
>>97546451It's both inevitable and something to be avoided. One of the reasons commander has always been fun for me is getting to build odd or technically inefficient cards that synergize with my deck theme. When cards continue to get strictly better rather than WEIRDER then it narrows the playing field and overly streamlines deckbuilding for the general public. making effects that are not just generally good but fit into more niche archetypes spread across the entirety of magic's catalogue is the best way of keeping the acceleration of the game low IMO>>97546875I'm gonna be honest man, I'm not really sure what you mean by this. the basic mechanics of MTG is mana, permanents and spells for 1 of roughly 3 wincons. Powercreep is the mechanism by which prior tools become obsolete as new tools are printed.
>>97546947fire design
>>97547009>A format based around having a legendary creature on demand>Woah man, your deck needs your commander?! Welcome to commander, we hate UB and make up game stories.
>>97547004going thantis would also let you play grenzo which is kind of an unusual use case for him.
>>97546985>AI slop "art">proxy>at least mostly legible text2 strikes for me.
>>97547120>>97546985
>>97546947FunImagine getting sour over fucking wall tribal lmao
Fine with proxies.Fine with titty proxies.But AI? Cmon now.
>>97547094Joke? This is deadly serious.
>>97546947Superheavy Samurai
>>97547128imagine not understanding the simplest of points you fucking donkey lmao
>>97547182He's right though
>>97547169I'm more of a Hyperlight Vikings guy myself.
>>97545591Bolas isn't even the coolest gay dragon in MTG, that award goes to Niv-Mizzet
>>97547235Shut up Lewis.
>>97547225>giant 7/3 dinosaur the size of a city>gets taken out by an elf Sad. Many such cases.
>>97546286Lmao look at this chinese slop gooner
Does anyone know of any commanders themed around cults or rituals other than pic related?The "ritual" just being someone losing 7 life isn't doing it for me flavor-wise
>>97547250The elf has techno-aids, not a fair comparison
>>97546192Shame her best art is on the worst card
>>97547281the ritual is actually that she makes clones of your wizardsas for your actual question, consider Awaken the Blood Avatar as a commander
>>97546286I requested that katara. You're welcome
>>97547311I'm not ever going to use it, it was a bonus, but thanks all the same.
>>97547307>the ritual is actually that she makes clones of your wizardsI don't think that's true at all. That's just the enabler to let you have a lot of wizards. Clearly tapping them is them performing the ritual, which loses someone 7 life>consider Awaken the Blood Avatar as a commanderOkay this is pretty good. 3/6 is a bit underwhelming though. Any other suggestions?
>>97547250i love this bitch so much its unreal
>>97547250Hate what they did to my girlScars was truly the end of real Magic
>>97547340there was a thread on tg asking when magic crested the hill and everyone gave different answers
>>97547321https://scryfall.com/card/who/117/cult-of-skaroIt's a cult...
>>97547349What was the consensus? For me it was the Alara Block. Zendikar block just brought so much overpowered broken shit, and it continued from there on. I blame it on mythics.
>>97547321yeah, you cast it every turn, preferably multiple times each turn.try cleric tribal of some kind. sac and loop your cult members for fun and profit. tymna+ravos is probably the lowest reasonable bracket you can have tymna in the CZ, orah declares your combo intent a bit, ayli or elas il-kor are fine too. there's also two baldur's gate characters that can do it if you're a SIMP.
Is he kino as a bracket 4/5?
>>97547416No.
>>97547416classic kill on site after you've seen it once slop
>>97547416never seen this not just be wannabe cedh
>>97547367>yeah, you cast it every turn, preferably multiple times each turn.Oh I hadn't really clocked that instead of going to the grave it goes back to the command zone.Is there ever any reason to cast the creature side?
>>97547416he's a very strong untap-and-win commnader if your deck is low cmc, do with that info what you will
>>97547480you could probably build extus as WBR legends-matter, and he can rarely serve to get you important pieces back in a pinch, but not usually, no. extus and blood avatar are in practice different decks, and "having a sorcery as your commander" is the more novel of the two.
Anon, why don't you bring your trades to game night? These are the cards I traded for this past week.
>>97547527Because my bag already weighs 60 pounds from 13 decks.
>>97547527I always carry my binders around with me
>>97547527i have no trades because i only buy singles
>>97545740>tfw actually got worse at Magic after getting a gf
>>97547527doesn't fit in my backpack; plus, while I generally have stuff other people want, I'm bad at making selections from their stuff.
>>97547534You don't play limited with the boys? Shame.
>>97546426see what exactly? a green deck with a bunch ramp elves and land tutors?
>>97547519Extus actually synergizes with nonlegends, not legends. Also one of those cards that is horrifically cropped in the normal frame. I enjoy his niche.
>attractive female in the art>OPT clauseI mean I'm gonna grab the precon still but c'mon
>>97547571Are you trying to find some gay reason to be mad?
>>97547573Seems as such.
>>97547573>>97547574samefag
>>97547571That passes for attractive?Anyways, seems like they're trying to make bad cards on purpose.
>>97547527I don't usually have things that people want/I can spare because I buy singles
>>97547577>two posts within a minute>samefagFuck off, tourist
>>97547571If that wasn't once per turn it would be far too easy to draw your entire deck.
>>97547693>clearly phonepostingI accept your concession
>>97547571Once each turn is 4 cards a round, seems good to meYou retardd don't understand the necessity of the once per turn clausePic related
>>97545902>More mana per game means more spells per gameThat's only true if you live in a magical world where cards are infinite in number.
>>97547527I trade magic cards but only with cash as the medium. I’ve got a case of final fantasy boosters I’m planning to hold for at least 7 years then sell.
>>97547677>That passes for attractive?At least she has a pretty face, even if she's way too covered up for a dryad.
>>97547709People just want to combo off with their tokens and draw 10 cards during their turn
>Friend feels like his decks can't compete with my and another member of the pods decks and asks me if I can help him edit at least his favorite deck to do better. >Has a grixis deck, Kess, Dissident Mage>It has niv in the 99 and the infinite with curiosity. The entire deck doesn't do anything with the commander, she's just there to provide the colors for whatever reason.>His deck has 0 counter spells in it.>He has Symmetry Matrix as his only real draw engine other than the infinite.>No tutors>No kill spells>Look at his collection>Mana drain, swan song, a fucking consecrated sphinx, offer you can't refuse, FUCKING ANCIENT COPPER DRAGON, diabolical intent, grim tutor, profane tutor (shit, but better than nothing,) gamble, prismari, all the talismans for his colors, owns literally 0 targeted removal>Give him a few of my cheaper counterspells and gut his deck and add more draw and all that good shit so he can get to his infinite since that's what he likes.>Show up this week for games>He reset his deck because "it played better the other way."Don't ask for my fucking help if you're going to reject it wholesale you time wasting bastard.
>>97547571>not half naked or showing titshow is this attractive?
>>97547727They can play jenova
>>97547677Whats bad about it?
>>97547743see>>97547735
>>97546451>what are you guys opinion on powercreep as a concept.It's like death: inevitable but you want to put it off as long as you can.
>>97546451If you can't design new cards without just making them the same but better as a previous card, just give up making the card game.
>>97547735Oh, we can't print that on a Magic card, despite the fact that we did do that for the first 20 years of the game's life! Think of all the insecure ugly feminist sales we'd lose if we threw male players even a single bone per set!
>>97547765I like how nothing is ever good enough for you, very ambitious <3
>>97547765I am a male and don't need half naked women on my cards and it would not improve any sales from me.
>>97547735She's clearly got a nice chest under that proper university attire. Go fap to quirion dryad and clear your head
>>97547774This is a card from the very first set of Magic ever. This is the level of nudity, attractiveness and objectification I expect to see on at least a couple women, in EVERY set. Until I get it back you have given me nothing that matters.>>97547779Homosexuals can go eat a dick (metaphorically). You don't count for any purpose.
>>97547800>Homosexuals can go eat a dick (metaphorically). You don't count for any purpose.You may be insane if you believe all men only care about sex and sexy women. Learn how to jack off before going to the shop.
>>97547779Not that anon, but it is pretty annoying that they seem to very much have an aversion to making conventionally attractive women on card but yet they will release Oko like they did which is clearly gay/female gaze bait.The new Dina is cute, just more of that, though I think she is getting a pass at the company because she's not human.
>>97547802I don't care about your infinitesimally small minority with testosterone deficit. You are less than one thousandth of population. You need to be quiet when real people talk. You aren't a real person.
>>97547803conventionally attractive does not mean nude or sexual.
>>97547815No duh, but they aren't giving us either.
>>97547716What in the fuck are you talking about?
>>97547812>>97547800>porn addict lashes out
Found a couple copies of Ruthless Ripper in my bulk and now I'm thinking of brewing pic related. Is it worth it or does the game plan just get boring after 2-3 games?
I ain't saying print fetish art on cards. But to be fair it gets old seeing awesome card tech being printed with diversity quota middle aged women on it. I always assumed magic is a PG-13 card game so like at least have a few conventionally attractive women printed every set. Like avacyn is good example her ability is good but I don't think she would be nearly as popular to the point where people would make her a commander if it was some fat dude on the art instead.
>>97547937Post the ugliest commander you have
>>97547935>6 mana not in greenUnplayable
>>97547935>chaos ensuesI beg your fucking pardon.
>>97547956Planechase is actually fun. My group plays it probably once a month and we always have a blast.
>>97547956Planechase shit. It does nothing in a regular game.
Should you put this in your mono color decks, or is it just going to snowball fags too much?
>>97547743Once a turn.Tap.Pay to tap.Gain a bit of life and a couple of counters on one creature.It's shit.
>>97547992You say that until I sac my jumbo cactuar
>>97547992Bro your thousand year elixir?Your Patriar's Seal?
>>97548047>>97548052No.Bad.Just bad.Silly,Bad.Trash.Bad.
>anon vomits his deck onto the board on turn 5This shit is so fucking boring jesus christ
How does everyone sort their bulk? I just spent hours getting everything into piles of color, multi color, tokens, colorless, lands.
>>97548108Piles on a large table that grow for several years and I tell myself I'm going to sort. Color>Mana Cost>Type>Alphabetical otherwise.
>>97548115hi me
>>97548108Not the answer you want but I literally don't have bulk. The only packs I ever open are what I get from prerelease. I take out anything I want for a deck that I currently have or plan on building very soon. Then I wait 1 week, the wait time for my LGS to start buying from a set, and bring it all to them sorted by rarity and color of course.Anything they don't take, usually most commons and uncommons, I give to a friend who hordes magic cards like a troll with his gold.Probably losing money in the long run because I know I end up buying cards that I've sold or given away occasionally but I hate clutter so I don't mind.These are the only cards currently in my apartment that aren't in a deck right now. The deck they were in got taken apart and I know I'll use these later at some point.
>>97548126I wish I could do this. I do eventually plan on either donating it to a game store, or possibly selling it for cheap in the future. Cause my pack/booster box buying habits now are pretty much over until they announce another masters set.
>>97548126>>97548146I donate my bulk to my local church and they give them to the little gypsy kids, who probably eat them or something
all my pod does is force each other to sit through 4 hour control mirrorsI tried aggro and I just get board wiped by two+ playersis pic related enough to get me through this fresh hell?
>>97548276>eat, sleep, bolt, repeat
>>97548276>4 hour control mirrorsSounds kino
How much should I build around removing my opponents instead of just doing my own thing imohttps://moxfield.com/decks/lLtE1TqfBEqVv9taevSN0w
>>9754841613%
>>>97548523
>>97548534print it you cowards
>superfriends polymorph deepglow skate>equipment tempo with land denialWhich should be Thada Adel, and which should be V Clique?
Would you love her?
>>97547935I'd say it's fun if you like doing stuff in the colors. Mind you, if I recall, the last time I played it, it absolutely shut down a graveyard player who couldn't actually do anything. So take that as you will.
>>97548704I'd give her six kids in five years.
>>97546250https://moxfield.com/decks/qAR0pynliE29NaUOlMv2cAI guess great henge counts as a manarock but I cast my commander on turn 2 most of the time so I don't really have a reason to run manarocksmanaDORKS at least can get swole
>built artifact deck trying to avoid infinites>found a 5 card 12 total mana infinite while goldfishing
>>97545540Hybrid bros there's still a chance.
>>97548846Translation: We wanted to do it but when it comes to adjusting the rules we're only going to make the most impotent decisions ever, because we feel we're "spending" all our executive power on shitting out more UB.
>>97548846i don't care either way, but hybrid rules changing will give me maximum schadenfreude
>>97548791What is it?
>>97548846hybrid chads are gonna win in the endtick-tock, color identity cucks
>>97548893>t.
>tell the group I’m playing an unglued card>pic rel>censor the word ‘pay’>the guy with smothering tithe and rhystic is killing himself because hes become the equivalent of a ceilingbird chirp >’that card isn’t fair or fun’ - faggot using treasures and extra cards to counter everything and tutors for cyc rift
>>97549070>>tell the group I’m playing an unglued cardyou ain't sitting with us, fag.
>>97549070Yeah okay Mark cool story I'm still not playing with your silver border pet project.
>>97549082>>97549077They print a new card called Jiffy Lube’s Tire program>enchantmentWhenever another ability triggers, it's controller loses 2 life. If you had a jiffy lube oil change today, they lose 4 life
>>97549070>tell the group I’m playing an unglued cardyou are sitting with us, king
>fiery, but mostly peaceful deck>barely ever wins because multiple strategies with weak synergies and easy to predict setups>win the last game of the night (out of 8) by drawing nothing but stompy flyers and overrunning the table because nobody had a wipe>everybody silently scoops as if I just murdered someoneit's never "wow anon, you deck got us good this time!", it's always "..."at least one friend said he now fears my retarded smoll dragons
>>97549233Commander players are the absolute sorest losers of any community I have ever come across. People who lose duels to the death have more sportsmanship.
>friends want to do sharpie commanderIt begins
>>97549305Also, some of the least knowledgable, on par with GOAT format yugioh.
>>97549082Funnily enough Mark doesn't like gotcha as an unset mechanic
>>97549436Because his narcissistic ass is convinced Gotcha is the reason people don't like silver border and not the 500 other ways they turn games into a shitfest.
>>97549451It's not easy to see why gotcha is bad, anon. Repeatedly getting spells back is very strong and, in a game where you're presumably goofing off and having fun, a mechanic that punishes you for doing exactly that sucks.Also fuck off, unsets are kino.
>>97549447Actually a really cool concept
>>97549070>"Smothering Tithe triggers. Response?">"Smothering Tithe resolution. What's your decision?"
>>97549469Yeah it just makes players shut down and not communicate. If you misspeak you get punished so it's best to just never speak. One of them triggers on laughter so you never laugh. It just means the best course of action is to stare silently coldfaced at my opponent and point at your cards
>>97549469No, they arent.>>97549451Unsets are fun once or twice. Then unfinity was "what if every joke was real, also these are real cards, also you now have to play stickers forever."
>>97549233The reality here that you dont want to accept is that youre lying about your deck :)>>97549447What the fuck is free cast nigger
>>97549503>what if every joke was real, also these are real cards, also you now have to play stickers forever1. half the cards in unfinity are not in fact real2. you don't actually have to play any of them. sticker cards don't put stickers on other players' shit. the mechanic is entirely contained to yourself
>>97549475I think it's clear that while it's easy enough to come up with synonyms for 'pay' in that context, the guy wasn't.>anon can I count on you to donate one mana today?>your contribution of one mana can prevent rampant treasure abuse>'alms are due' or any other take on an orzhov flavor text
>>97549503Anon youre 18 and trying to act in ways you think youre supposed to. You've never played a single un- set.>real cardsI think less than 10% of unfinity cards are legal in real formats. And stickers are quite literally just counters. Annoying larpniggerhttps://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aunf+legal%3Avintage&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>97549519Okay MaRo. Sorry, only half the cards are real. And you only have to keep 15 million sticker sheets to play namesticker goblin, who was so inbelievably busted it made goblins t1 in legacy. My mistake. You only have to put stickers on your card.
>Grolnok, the Omnivore>Skullbriar>The Master, Formed Anew>Mairsil the Pretender>Evelyn, the Covetous>Rayami, First of the Fallen>Altair Ibn-La'Ahad>Lara Croft, Tomb-RaiderAre there any other commanders I'm missing that have a permanent snowball effect?
I WISH this was legal it would be so cool
>>97549533>And you only have to keep 15 million sticker sheets to play namesticker goblinyou can just, you know, print them out. like we do with tokens and counters. are you too retarded to operate a printer?
>>97549533Legacy goblins is less than 1% of the meta. Sticker goblin did not upset the meta in the slightest anon give the larp a rest lmao>put stickers on a cardNo you dont. You can!
>>97549526Wow. Quite hyperbolic anon. Have a smoke.>>97549545Or, maybe the unset cards can be left in the unset, like every other unset people actually like. Other than Saw in Half. That one gets a pass.
Reminder Mark Rosewater wanted this card legal in Legacy and genuinely didn't know why R&D told him he couldn't do that.
>>97549545look at this bastard saying we don't know how to play un sets while actually showing himself to be completely oblivious to tournament logistics because he's a fucking casual
>>97549551Anon, you are going to be very upset when you actually go back a couple of years. Dont pretend you play a format you dont because you googled something to seem smart.
>>97549568I've thought about that card a lot, and every time it gets more and more insane. There are so many stupid ways that card breaks the game I couldnt possibly list them all.
>>97546947I use Betor kin to all and play full defense.I only have two cards which switch off defender.I stack my deck full of damage prevention, mass recur, and protection spells.My friends absolutely hate fighting it because I basically sit and do nothing until I can either combo eith pestilence or activate betor kin to all 40+ toughness effect while bloodletter of aclazotz is on the field.Doran, Besieged by Time just adds another layer of "FAFO" to the deck that I love.I once tree of perdition'd a lifegain player three times in a single game.
>>97549559Nothing I said was hyperbolic in fact its simply just accurate! I provided the link showing how many are legal and yes stickers are essentially counters.>>97549574What are you trying to say anon?
>>97549539if you're counting grolnok, then evelyn, haldan/pako, kianne/imbraham, zethi, tinybones (foundations), and lara croft count.rex cyber-hound
>>97549569He is correct though? You can print out some sheets shuffle them up and grab 3. What exactly did he say that was wrong?
Umezawa slaps your creatures ass with his jitte.What do?
>>97549609>He doubled downClassic PDS. I'm saying, directly, you do not play or know anything at all about legacy, and you like glanced at the current top8 or mtggoldfish to pretend to be smart to argue about something you do not have any knowledge of.>>97549616Mechanically, how do stickers work? Think about it, both in the game and as a physical object.
>>97549475>not simply flicking your card with your finger and saying "trigger"not gonna make it
>>97549628Shake the planeswalker's hand and buy him a beer.
>>97549628Holy shit it's the Toski Destroyer 9000
>>97549616"i mean all people have to do is stop durdling and play faster and if it goes to a draw due to time then so be it so why is this banned"
>>97549655it'd be funny if someone was autistic enough to bot the toski poster with a fungal infection
>>97549539the "amount of mana spent to cast this" and "times cast from the cmz" cards
>>97549632No please explain how he isnt correct because that is literally how they are used in tournaments settings.>>97549632Explain how im wrong anon :) everything ive said is actually correct and easily confirmed>dont playMy lgs holds vintage and legacy nights with fully proxied decks for people to use so im afraid I do play them
>Play against a bunch of timmy players who love them some go tall counters>340 fucking Saproling creatures on etbOh god, am I the timmy now?
>>97549634>flicks card >"trigger?">"Yes, that card has a triggered ability, what are you choosing?"
>>97549664Would it though?
>>97549697>nods and proceeds to put a treasure token onto the battlefield
>>97549693>he's still lying>and now trying to do the thing where he pretends not to be retarded while posting the same 5 imagesI'll give you a hint and see if you set yourself up for the tragic quad barrel retard self own: look at the banlist of the format you say you play.
>>97548846>hi Mark, love slobbering on your dick- great idea on hybrid mana rules btw, such a shame crybabies are resisting your superior design, when will you force it through?Jesus what a fucking shill “question”I’ve also noticed shit loads of YouTubers blatantly being bought off on this.I find Distraction Makers are usually extremely critical of WotC, and yet on hybrid mana they advance the same “more cards means more fun!!!!!” argument every other fucking shill has suddenly started spouting
>>97549724Look into the reason it was banned anon :) it wasn't because it massively upset the meta.
>>97549733>Its a conspiracy!Being a retard must be exhausting. If it ever goes through, livestream the suicide.
>>97549718Unless you have an ADA letter, this gets you kicked from the game for cheating. You must read the card (not outloud), and inform the table what you are choosing, then allowing other players to choose to pay
>>97549733>I find Distraction Makers are usually extremely critical of WotC, and yet on hybrid mana they advance the same “more cards means more fun!!!!!” argument every other fucking shill has suddenly started spoutingThey prefer 60 card formats so they're the people I'd expect to have a good reason to believe the hybrid mana reasoning. They're right from a design perspective but they're wrong from a format perspective. Hybrid was designed to be played in either color as a way of balancing draft and standard accessibility. But that doesn't matter since EDH isn't coming at things from a pure game design standpoint. >That card have red symbol on it. Why can play in simic? No, no. No can play in Simic.can be wrong from a game design standpoint but perfectly valid from an aesthetic identity perspective.
>>97549756I will tell you, since I know you'll be dishonest. Stickers and attractions were all banned because the community didnt like them and how you played them out in an in person setting. Literally nothing to do with power level or upsetting the meta or anything kooky like that.
>>97549762Yes I agree we need to follow tournament procedure for these silver border cards.
I don't like silver border cards because they're painfully unfunny.
>>97549760>e-celebs will happily do a sponsor segment for a company without any research into the company at all, often blurring the lines between what they’re paid to say and not>in a survey WotC literally asked for names of influencers who spoke negatively about the Spider-Man set.>suddenly dozens of magitubers start shilling for the hybrid change>all with the exact same argument>an argument that doesn’t even make sense when you think about it for 5 seconds>b-b-but it’s a conspiracyIt must be fascinating to live in a world with no critical thinking.World politics must be so confusing to you. World-leaders and corporations meet up at closed-door conferences, and then a few months later western countries are all pushing to strip away privacy laws and regulate the internet more aggressively, and youre just clueless as to what happened
>No you can't run that card in monowhite that's a red card! That would ruin my aesthetic immersion!!!
>>97549764>But that doesn't matter since EDH isn't coming at things from a pure game design standpointthat's just a roundabout way of saying that (You) don't want hybrid because you said so and if you're going to evoke "the spirit of the format" then we should go back to one basic per deck, city of brass can't produce off color mana for sen triplets, and rhystic study will forever be the unbannable poster card of EDH
>Stop running this card in monoblack I can see the fire symbol right there!!!
>>97549814>that's just a roundabout way of saying that (You) don't want hybrid because you said soYes. Glad you understand.
>>97549756You googled it, and got the wrong answer. Muxus goblins with mind goblin or guacamole goblin or name sticker goblin or whatever was a t1 legacy deck when it was legal because you could go lackey muxus into mind goblin in any number of multiples then play whatever you wanted. You could also go matron mindgoblin muxus mind goblin yadda yadda, or lacket mind goblin ect. It was fast, brutal, and consistent. When expressive iteration was legal and briefly while ragavan was legal, goblins was a t1 deck along side it and initiative, which still sees play in vintage as a top deck, until wotc realized how outrageously horrible the tournament logistics with stickers were, and banned it all together. Those were some of the strongest decks ever in legacy, up there with rescaminator when psychic frog and grief were legal, and goblins was just fine because of mind goblin, then irrelevant afterwards (though technically it's red stompy with broadside and what not, but it doesnt use the same shell so it's different).Now post your legacy proxies. And your vintage ones while your at it. I want to see what you were playing.
>AIEEEE THAT'S A BLACK CARD I CAN SEE THE EVIL SKULL ON IT!!!
>>97549818>>97549829Keywords can be printed without reminder text.
>Why yes, I am a mindless goyim that believes the diaper polycule narrative about hybrid mana. That's why I believe the rule shouldn't change.
>>97549820and yet you weren't honest enough to just say it as such because wotc says hybrid is good because they said so and you know deep in your black heart that it's just a waiting game at this point, tick tock
>>97549829Trinisphere, my beloved.
>oh look it's yet another thread about defending gender identi- i mean color identity
>>97549871Going to start talking about blue farm and samefagging too?
>>97549879uh oh troon melty
>Sphinx of the Guildpact and Transguild Courier would be instant includes in every deck if it wasn't for color identity shielding the format.
>>97549823>wrong answerNo that is the literal answer from WOTC in their post about it my guy lmao.>post yoursThey belong to the LGS. Its okay to be wrong ^.^ no sticker cards upset any metas. They were banned because people didnt like them>mucusWas strong but not overbearing. Stop the larp lmao
I love red :)
Atraxa was designed with the intent to go into literally any 60 card deck which means I should be able to play it in my grixis commander deck. That was the design intent after all!
>>97549905no idiot atraxa grand unifier is meant to go to card type tribal
>>97549892You wouldnt know. You've demonstrated you dont play the format, you did not know how the ONE unfinity card that saw consistent play was used in a format you said you played, you didnt know they were banned, you looked at some website to try and pull a gotcha about something you didnt understand, you're repeating something you read today in the ban statement that undermines your initial nonsense about sticker sheets in the first place, and now here you are saying your store has proxies, which they are not allowed to have or their WPN support gets pulled.Damn. That's got to be some kind of record.
>>97549818While I understand this , it's genuinely the dumbest rule and most confusing thing possible
>>97549818Forget changing the hybrid rule, when are they going to change this rule? This would be way better in rakdos
>>97549905>I am an idiot, and I will prove that fact with a purposefully disingenuous argument.
>I mean if WotC just let EVERY deck have access to a tutor with Beseech the Queen, it would instantly go in every deck, no matter how overcosted it is or how difficult it is to set up!
>>97549959Wiould the hypothesized hybrid rule change actually allow for that?Because I think it would really only be a big deal for like colorless decks which are already hamstrung for obvious reasons
>Imagine if Izzet had a spell it could copy 100 times to both ramp and draw cards at the same time! We can't allow the hybrid change otherwise Manamorphose will ruin the game and Vivi will suddenly become a good card!
>>97549976You can play it in green since it has 2 generic hybrid.Which, you know, what the point of the card, its best in black, but user at a steep cost for other colors.
It appears he is broken; he had broken himself.
>Color identity is the only thing that keeps the format safe from 5c slop piles! 5c decks are restricted by the fact that their commanders are expensive and hard to get out! Hybrid will just let monocolor decks run any effect they want!
>>97549959The powerlevel of hybrid cards really isn't the issue. Can I red elemental blast a dominus of fealty? Even if it's in a mono red deck? If yes, then why are we breaking the commander rules, if you wanted to play any color in your deck you should play one of the many other formats that allow it.
>If the hybrid rule changes, WotC will be free to print overpowered hybrid cards that erode the color pie because they want to sell cards! Right now color identity is the only shield the game has against generic OP staples!
>>97549994>a mono-colored card can identify as 5 color>but a 5 color card can't identify as mono-colorednever entertain troon logic, not even once
>I mean it just doesn't make sense! How can a card be a different color from the deck's commander! Hybrid would force me to completely change how I think about the game!
>>97550009Is this why magic appeals to troons now?>I am one color but my IDENTITY is another color Double think, lies and reality denial just come naturally to them
>>97550029The doublethink is particularly good>Why yes I am monoB but I identify as 5c>No you can't identify a hybrid card as monoC! That's wrong because... it just is! Now shut up! Sheldon wouldn't have wanted this! I know this because I just do! Stop defiling the dead person's legacy!
>>97550029Think that's a pretty big leap there anon. Lost of lonely losers play magic, and a lot of troons are just lonely losers.
>>97549995They will never respond to this post because this post destroys their entire argument and they don't have any good answers to it.>inb4 they just try to meme without ever once actually addressing the post.Just watch.
>>97550059>they don't have any good answers to itan actual good answer is that when hybrid's changed everyone gets to see troons ACK and that's funny as fuck and worth every penny
>>97550059Except they did >>97550017
>>97550059Yes, you have demonstrated your posting style. The main thing is that the colour rules are an adendum, and as such, there are a lot of inconsistencies, but since there are soany multicolour commanders, colour identity is excusively a drawback with no upside.
>>97550059>this post destroys their entire argument >Why are you breaking the color rules>So limited commanders have slightly more access to make them more playable and letting people flex their creativity and change metas from bracket 1 to bracket 5>REEEEEE!Hybrid change is going to be such a nothing burger if it ever happens there's not point in actually arguing about it. "Change is bad," is literally every single argument against it.Mono red reaperking would be fucking funny, but its still going to be an absolutely dogshit build because scarecrows are shit. Most of the things people will do with hybrid cards is going to be shit. Really powerful outliers will exist, but holy shit there's so much broken bullshit right now who the fuck really cares if simic good stuff piles are going to be playing ring of three wishes, they were testicle cancer before and now they've added prostate cancer, cancer is cancer.
>>97550070>But it will upset the TRANNIESLike I said, no actual argument to refute, just memes and letting troons live in one's head, rent fucking free. Willing to destroy the format for nothing other than memes and spite, angry that Edh and to a greater extent, Magic has developed beyond what they enjoyed playing back in the day. I feel like most the people in this general pushing for the hybrid change don't even play anymore, as readily admitted by a number of anons in this general, just here to shitpost angrily about a game that has moved past them but they will never move past themselves...>>97550088>They had mechanics to change colors! That means hybrid ok!No, it's a artifact created at a time when color hate was far more prevalent and thus worth using. It literally has nothing to to with how cards are now designed.>>97550098That was my first post this entire thread. Now this will be my last, because schizos are now searching for posters and I'm not going to get labeled someone I'm not, nor entertaining delusions.
>>97550123It appears this wasnt your first post, but good luck, have fun. See you in 20 minutes, anon who did the same thing he said other people would do.
>>97550088lol That's a meme, changing the color of a card with an effect is different than color identity in deck and you know it.>>97550098It's a deck building restriction unique to the format, if you don't like it play a different format.>>97550109Like I said, it's not about power level it's about the commander rules. If you don't like the deck building restriction, play a different format.
>>97550109So further destroy the format so decks get a negligible benefit? Wow, great idea!
>>97549995>Can I red elemental blast a dominus of fealty? Even if it's in a mono red deck?Yes, the same way you can blue elemental blast mobilize tokens in a monowhite deck. It's not a big deal.
>>97550133It is intentionally subverted at a design level, and a limitation exclusively on decks that do not have access to essential tools. It is only a restriction in the negative. Was it always? No, it was fun and flavourful. There is a reason partners are so popular.
>>97550146>There is a reason partners are so popularBecause they are insanely fucking busted?
I want to explore different mana styles, how would you persuade me to not be black? It's the best color and every other color is improved by adding black, so... why shouldn't I?
>>97550133>Like I said, it's not about power level it's about the commander rules.Rules can change. Did your shit your pants when they changed our regenerate worked? Did you shit your pants about vehicles being able to be commanders? They aren't creatures. Rules clearly stated commanders needed to be creatures.>>97550134>Destroy the formatPlaying Cemetery Puca in a mono black deck isn't going to destroy the format and you're delusional for thinking so.Again, "change is bad." Literally just doomposting with no substance.
>>97550137Making a token in another color is not the same as the deck building restriction that exists in commander but you know that and it's why you have to resort to arguments like this.
>>97550155Yes, in combination, because they subvert the colour limitations with upside.
>>97548846>just two more weeks!can't believe hybridfags have adopted this cope lmao you're coming on par with golosniggers
>>97550123you just hella mad us chuds just said "whatever" when hybrid wasn't changed but the seethe trannies will have over hybrid changing would be the christmas gift of the year
>>97550185where were (You) though when people predicted in the past that wotc would eventually own the format? lol
>>97550169Yes, rules can change. You could change all the commander rules if you wanted, but it would cease being commander if you did.I wasn't playing when regenerate was changed, and I dislike the vehicle change. I think these changes hurt the identity of the format, and I have the same feelings about hybrid mana changing to becoming or instead of and.
>>97550003>we already have bad, so we should have even more badI bet you're the type to support importing a gorillion africans into your coutry because you already have muggers
>>97550137color identity disallows cardstokens are not cards
>>97550212blah blah blah wake me up when wotc removes the commander from commander
Reminder that the pro-hybrid-change shitposter is an outed pedophile and seethes when it’s brought up
>>97550245No argument I see. I guess that earlier anon was correct.
>>97550251>Clearly more than one person arguing in favor of it ITT>Better strawman them all as one pedophile!That anon that you are referencing types in a specific way, pay better attention.
>>97548778interesting, do you think this is possible for non-green decks?
>>97550257>Clearly more than one person arguing in favor of it ITTYeah you have samefagged before and bragged about it.
>>97550270>Better double downI get you feel that you've been argued into a corner and ad hom and strawman is your only option, but do better, and try harder.
>>97550251>>97550270Classic poopdickschizo posts.
>>97550251his tantrum style makes me think it's the same guy advocating against manarocksI am unironically interested in if such a deckbuilding approach is feasible, but he answered with a random Kataki cEDH from the internet and didn't further engage with my willingness to actually talkHe is just here to argue in abstracts and smugpost and "win" strawman arguments on the internetFortunately other anons replied to me
hybrid should not be allowed in mono-color.further, reminder text mana symbols should count towards color identity.even further, mentions of colors in text should also count. choosing any color means it's all colors. caged sun and spectral shift now have a color identity of all colors.mentions of land types is fine though.
>>97550251Ayyy, the cycle is complete:>blown out in three different arguments>starts shitposting>starts high volume shitposting>starts playing internet detective
>>97550297*makes a treasure token*
>>97550256but enough about you denying rainbow cards their right to identify as mono
>>97550296Anon, you shouldnt pretend to be other people, especially when you spent so long talking about building a better deck instead of tuning your list, immediately did a heel turn when you pretended to build a chainer deck then went on a giant rant where you pretended to be a good poster about blue farm, got blown out today talking about unsets, shifted to hybrid mana shitposting, tried to smugpost, got mad, started spamming cards you didnt like that made you mad, and now you're pretending to play magic to feel cool. If you want people to help you, be nice. You don't have to live like this.
>>97550212>Yes, rules can change. You could change all the commander rules if you wanted, but it would cease being commander if you did.Anyway I cast Spell Crumple to tuck your commander into the library. Oh wait you mean those ones don't count? Strange...
>>97548883Scrap Trawler, Salvaging Station, Grinding Station, 0 mana artifact creature, sol ring. Or if you have foundry inspector or other cost reduction, 1 mana artifact creature + 0 mana non creature artifact. Sac'ing the sol ring gets back the creature to hand, sac'ing the creature gets back sol ring to battlefield.
>>97550361>trying to build an artifact deck with no infinites>includes the usual suspects
>>97550375You have to understand it's very hard for retards to realize some cards are problematic enablers.
>>97550361>my pile of value card "accidentally" went infinite >take them out? But I need them to play the game and do my thing!
>>97550361I took trawler and cost reducers out of my artifact deck and now I can run a responsible KCI that doesn't enable an infinite.
at this point in mtg's life it's so easy to find/add an infinite in an "honest" value deck you might as well just embrace it
>>97550375>>97550451Infinites are actually merciful. There are LOTS of nondeterministic noninfinites that can, in theory, never resolve.
>>97550451I don't even have kci in the deck. Goal was to be able to twiddle around with going down the from like metalwork colossus or another affinity card with scrap trawler to mind's desire. Think if I cut the zero cost creatures and/or salvaging station I should be in the clear.
>>97550473Some of them you might as well be able to. Gitrog + dakmor + discard outlet -> eldrazi, lotus petal, land, dakmor technically isn't but you can still attempt to get mana infinite times.
>>97550341I would have liked it if tucked remained a rule, and that legendary rule stayed the same as well. Those rules don't change the identity of the format nearly as much as removing color restrictions however.You really shouldn't assume it makes an ass out of you.
Does anyone here work for WotC or know anyone who does? How hard is it to get a job there? I'm afraid I won't be able to hide my based power level.
>>97550538And changing color identity rules don't change the identity of the format nearly as much as removing the actual commander.You really shouldn't assume it makes an ass out of you.
>>97550552Which I would be against as well. You still haven't given me a justification on why we should remove color restrictions in commander besides "we can just change the rules."
>>97550570you've already slopped up tuck rule change and legendary rule change as well as calling your general commander, you're going to slop up hybrid rule change too when it happensbecause at the end of the day the name of the format is "commander" and not "color identity" you retarded troon
>>97550581I accepted some rule changes, therefore all rule changes are acceptable. Cool so let's make it so that commander is a format where you play a 60 card deck and you can play up to 4 of the same nonbasic land card. How much can we alter Theseus ship and still believe that it was the one that sailed to Troy?
>>97550340you, you, you you youanon I'm really just a different guy willing to talk magic. This is all in your head. You're merging everything into a single enemy conjured in your mind to argue against shadows and strawmen which don't exist.You don't have to believe me, you literally just need to talk about actually playing, not abstract concepts in a vacuum and falacies and narratives to come on top and "be right on the internet"Did you really build a deck leveraging curve against ramp to keep mana rocks out, yes or no? In non green?Because I really tried with Chainer (rakdos) and had no success. Something I tested was focusing more on synergies rather than value, so I put a lot of CMC2 of the hand attack little guys and their payoffs. But the deck ran much better when I had mana rocks to drop Chainer/Big score on t3 and start discarding
>>97550611>How much can we alter Theseus ship and still believe that it was the one that sailed to Troy?
>>97550611you have accepted every single rules change thus far regardless of the gnashing of your teeth because if you truly disliked something like, say, damage on the stack change, you wouldn't be playing mtg anymoreyou are a retarded troon denying multicolor cards their right to identify as mono with the zeal of a true believer and it would be so hilarious to see you seethe impotently and then still play magic and wait for next product at the end of the day lol
>>97550515This was a reference to the infamous 4 horsemen deck, where the game is over, but because the loop isnt terminal or repeatable it goes on an indefinite period of time, where it might win, or you could get bad luck and never hit your win until the heat death of the universe.For example, consider this setup:>Biotransference (all creatures are artifacts, make a 2/2 whenever you summon a creature)>microsoft lettuce (all cards are artifacts)>march of machines (all arfitacts are creatures)>Genesis Chamber (make a myr whenever you make a creature token)>Glaring Fleshraker>kci>yawgmoth (pay a life, sac a boy, add a -1/-1, draw a card)>a deck full of eggs>second sunrise>faith's reward>call to mind>an eldrazi in your deck>mystic forge>keys>that warp blood artist effect>phyrexian altarImprobable, I know, but hear me out. Your opponent casts angel's grace when you are at 2 life drawing into all that nonsense from yawgmoth and setting it up, with the last card being your blood artist with a known bolt in hand. All other payoff cards were incidentally exiled. So, working your way through... that would take a long time. A real long time. An insanely preposteriously stupid long time. You cant work your way through the nonsense by shortcutting. If you pass, you lose at 2 life. Your warp guy is gone. You can discard the eldrazi to get your graveyard back with yawgmoth. You can loop second sunrise forever. Basically, the game has ended. Technically it hasnt if neither player wants to scoop.
>>97550216>blames immigrants for her problemsoh sweetie :)
>>97550643I'm in fact obligated to like all changes made in a game otherwise I can no longer play it, is that your argument? Or is that if they change the rules I'll be powerless to stop them. If it's the latter, you're correct but it doesn't mean I have to like it and I can continue to play as if such a rule change didn't happen.
>>97550643did you just really say>denying CARDS their right to identifynigga it's a CARD lmao it identifies as PAPERaren't you using precisely tranny rethoric
>>97550678you're free to gnash your teeth at any time, point is you're still going to slop up the game, because the game is just. that. good.>i see you're still denying multicolor cards their right to identify as mono btw hahahaha
>>97550653that and jews
>>97550619Anon, you need to be nicer and more subtle than that if you want help. Look what happened right after you made that post. Look what was going on before you posted. It isnt mysterious.
>>97550682nigga cards identify as (C6H10O5)n
>>97550695I don't need to gnash my teeth, I just need to wait two weeks. I'm sure they'll change the rule in your favor eventually.A multicolor card is identified as a multicolor card until the rules change to say otherwise.
>>97550700I have honestly lost the plot. You're right anon everything you said is true, you bested me.Now can we talk about the deck?
>>97550698>jewsuh oh a /pol/ schizo. blaming the most persecuted people on earth for her problems.really wish the owners of this site would close that cesspool of a board.
>>97550723>here's my argument why so-and-so is illogical and le bad>get btfo using his own troon logic>fine whatever wotc will do what they do but 2 more weeks budconcession accepted
>>97550729>If everybody hates you it must be THEIR faultlol
>>97550726Next thread assuming all "this" stops for a reasonable amount of time. Let's say 3 hours.
>>97550729Naaah say sike right non anon. Bhahahaha actually explains a lot of what is going down on the general the past few weeks
>>97550743ok ok I'll go to the gym then, cya next thread
>>97550731My argument wasn't that it was illogical, it was that changing the color restrictions in commander is harming the identity of the format and that I think it will be a bad change over all. Something you haven't contested.
>>97550761Awesome. And yes, I have built something similar, but it will be a discussion about what does and doesnt work, along with ways to optimize it.
>>97550767>it was that changing the color restrictions in commander is harming the identity of the format>I think it will be a bad change over all>I thinkliterally just your opinion and there is nothing to contest over you take you are free to kvetch and doompost, unlike me who literally doesn't care either or (but i do like seeing a good meltdown)at the end of the day you'll lap up product as always just like everyone else did after crying over 6ED rules and shit, it's a tale as old as time and it seems you're not mature enough to have developed pattern recognition
>>97550801>>97550801>>97550801
why don't they just test the change like they did with silver border?
>>97550795Yes, my argument is based on my subjective opinion as is yours. I'm not doom posting, I just said I don't like the change and gave a reason.Do you have a reason why altering the color restrictions in commander is a good thing?
>>97550827>why altering the color restrictions in commander is a good thing?(insert hybrid card) in (my pet mono deck of choice), i don't care how good it is, i just want it in my colorless deck because of subjective reasons, how dare you deny me options because you refuse to stand up against the oppression multicolor cards face all because they want to identify as mono?>now stop it and go answer the TQ in the next thread you retarded troon
>>97550847I haven't denied anything, I do think that if you want greater card selection it would be better to play a format where color restriction isn't built into the rules though.
>>97550861>I do think that if you want greater card selection you should go to another formatwhere were you when they changed the rules so that sen triplets could produce off color mana and thus make it easier for them to have greater card selection?
>>97550875I was playing with my friends, saying I don't like the change.
>>97550890and you will do the same exact thing with your friends should they change the hybrid rules, saying you don't like the change, because the game is called commander and not color identity
>>97550905You're correct if they change the rules for hybrid mana I won't like it, and it won't be enough to get me to quit playing. That doesn't mean I'm not correct and that they'd be changing the rules in an unnecessary and unintuitive way.
>>97550905exactly, EXECUTE those that have COMMANDERS, ITS SINGULAR, NOT COMMANDERS, ITS COMMANDERALSO ITS COMMANDER, NOT 'IM A WIZARD CASTING SPELLS'; FUCK LANDS, LANDS ARE NOW BANNED IN COMMANDERS:SHOWDOWN MULTIVERSE SMASH BROS
>>97550922>That doesn't mean I'm not correctyou are indeed incorrect, because multicolor cards currently can't identify as mono and this is an inelegant blemish in game design terms and is obvious to anyone who has any sense of fairness
>>97550943No, if hybrid cards have quantum color only being the color that the caster declares at any given time means players will be dragged into arguments about color hate cards such as red elemental blast.
>>97550958>sisay weatherlight captain and another white creature die to dead ringers>this is fine to me>dominus of fealty dies to red elemental blast>this triggers mewhy are you so racist, you retarded troon?
>>97550969But I used only red mana on Dominus therefore it isn't a blue card.
>>97550975i also cast sisay for free w/o paying her mana cost therefore she is colorless
>>97550982Color identity being tied to the converted mana cost is my point. You're the one who wants hybrid to either as opposed to both.
>>97550993>Color identity being tied to the converted mana costand yet it is not you retarded troon
>>97550998Yes card effects change the rules of the game. You certainly understand how cards work.
>>97551009Yes wotc can change the rules of the game for any rhyme or reason. You certainly have trouble understanding other people's reasoning.
>>97551011I already admitted that multiple times. I simply believe that changing the rules for hybrid mana would degrade the format I enjoy.
>>97551020and yet you wouldn't even give a simple "yeah, that makes sense, i can see why wotc would want to change hybrid based on that logic, let's see if it pushes through"that's because you're a retarded troon who's better off leaving critical thinking to his mtg superiors
>>97551024I did say that, I said we'll see in two weeks.
>>97551028"two weeks" is a very specific jab and it's very clear you're seething, you can't even say "let's see in a couple of months or years" lol
>>97551040I'm sorry you feel like it was a jab. Try not being so sensitive next time.
>>97551042>no i'm not crying u arehey i'm not the one crying over "muh identity of muh format" over some proposed rules change lmao
>>97551049You're the one complaining about being jabbed.
>>97551055pointing out facts doesn't mean i'm offended by them buddy boy, and i'm proven by the fact that you still won't say a couple of months or years because you are in fact seething haha
>>97551063You're the one complaining about being jabbed. I didn't react to any of your name calling and stuck to my argument. So it seems to me that you're the one who is upset.
>>97551073>so it seems to me you're upset>meanwhile i know for fact - with your admission btw - that you're kvetching over rules changeshahaha
>>97551081>Ouchie you said Two weeks instead of what I wanted, don't jab me.Said the person who wasn't upset.
>>97551097reminder that i'm denying that i'm upset while you never once denied that you are a retarded troon, that's how assblasted you are that you've shown yourself as completely biased with no argument beyond "hybrid bad because i said so" :)
>>97551108I don't need to deny a baseless accusation.To clarify I said hybrid mana change bad because it degrades the identity of the format. Something that you haven't contested.
>>97551120>I don't need to deny a baseless accusation.reminder that silence means consent, qui tacet consentire videtur>i think i'm the most handsome person in the world>no argument, no contention? ha!you're free to believe whatever shit you want, all i'm saying is wotc has logical reasons for changing hybrid and the fact that you can't accept that like every retarded troon out there is just funny to me
>>97551133Oh? Seems like an odd standard. Is that how you treat the men you drug so you can get laid?The only position you've presented is that they have the power to do so, which has nothing to do with logic.I did present why it would degrade the identity of the format, color building restrictions are part of the core rules of the format and the change would either be adding another exception to the rule or to change the rules on how hybrid cards function.
>>97551149>color building restrictions are part of the core rules of the format>wotc proceeds to build partners and pushed 5 color with pip loophole you can have a low cost 5 color commander plus all the mana fixing you can ever wantwotc owns the format now, let the RC go, those days are long done, stay in PreEDH or something>they have the power to do so, which has nothing to do with logic.sounds like someone's salty they don't own the game then haha>Oh? Seems like an odd standard. Is that how you treat the men you drug so you can get laid?imagine being this desperate for a gotcha because he can't deny he's a troon lol
>>97551166Okay, I'm not a troon. Now what? Are we going to skim over the fact that you think someone saying nothing is consent? Sounds like the something a date rapist would say.If power is logic then I guess the lion is just more logical than the gazelle.
>>97551179Qui tacet consentire videtur is accompanied by "ubi loqui debuit ac potuit" (when he ought to have spoken and was able to)the fact that you can't even google this - or worse, you googled this but tried to get me in a gotcha because you're that petty - is all the proof i need that you are indeed a retard and can't let go of the fact that an anon is smarter than him in mtg haha
>>97551186Why ought I have spoken? Your accusations are baseless and a distraction from the conversation at hand.And now you're ignoring my baseless claim, so that makes you a date rapist?I like how you avoided my point about power and logic by the way.
>>97551196>I like how you avoided my point about power and logic by the wayi'm not, that's actually my position, you are just a fool that you can't understand how reality worksyou are this salty that the owners of the game have such leeway, i can already tell you have bad opinions about landowners too lol>And now you're ignoring my baseless claim, so that makes you a date rapist?by me saying you're trying to get me in a gotcha already means i'm denying your baseless claim, especially when it's clear as day you are reaching in desperation, but don't worry your retardation is clear as day
>>97551204You said they have a logical reason for changing the rules, when asked for it you responded by saying they have the power to do it.My opinion on landowners is that people should have the right to private property and they should be allowed to contract if out how they like as long as I'm not required to agree. It really doesn't, you claimed silence is consent. So by your own logic you consent to the accusation. If you don't like the consequences of your ideas don't espouse them.
>>97551236>You said they have a logical reason for changing the rules, when asked for it you responded by saying they have the power to do it.correct, why is this wisdom so hard for a retard for you to grasp?if anything wotc was foolish for "asking permission", "hey guys we're going to change hybrid, what do you guys think?" wotc are idiots for not putting their foot on the ground and acting like the owners that they are nowold wotc would've just went ahead with it, just like how they did with 6ED rules change>still going with the retarded accusation because he's that petty and desperatepfft hahaha
>>97551253Okay, fair enough. The logic of them having the power to do something is true and it is why they can do it. I find the logic of because I said so to be weak would be a more accurate representation of my view.I'm simply applying your logic, I made a baseless accusation and you didn't bother to reply therefore you consented. If you aren't a date rapist just say so right?
>>97551267not only am i not a date rapist,>Okay, fair enoughis all the concession i need, maybe you're not a retard after all
>>97551276I just want to be clear your position is that if someone has the power to do something that is enough of a logical basis for you to agree with them?
>>97551309whether you or i agree with wotc's decision or not is irrelevant, the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they mustultimately everyone is going to have an opinion on something and you can't please everyone. but if you have the power (like wotc has with mtg) you should wield it and break the deadlock and actually get something doneand it's not even nonsense logic, it's not like wotc is saying "hey let's change hybrid because we all got constipated for a week", they've presented their case and if i were them i would've just rammed that thing through, 50% agree with them anyway, what's the other 50% going to do? walk away from their hobby? lol
>>97551330My opinion on what WOTC is relevant to me, and I'm able to express my opinion about it. Therefore it isn't irrelevant. In fact you spent multiple hours today discussing my ideas, meaning it was relevant to you too.They're a company, they are obligated to make profit. If even 5% leave the hobby based on a decision they've made it would hurt their bottom line. Considering that as the rules are they are still growing it would be risky to make a change that 50% disliked.They may have presented an actual argument but you haven't, and I'm talking with you. Why do you believe that hybrid mana should change? I already presented why I think it would be bad, and you didn't give me any reasons why I'm wrong simply tried to test if my view was consistent then argued that I don't have the power to stop them. Both of which doesn't address my position.
>>97551355nobody is silencing you btw, you can say your piece on anything, but a company shouldn't be kowtowing just because of some opinionated takes>They're a company, they are obligated to make profit. If even 5% leave the hobby based on a decision they've made it would hurt their bottom line. Considering that as the rules are they are still growing it would be risky to make a change that 50% disliked.if they truly thought that the 50% was going to affect the bottom line they wouldn't have publicly proposed hybrid change in the first place, have you even thought about that?now maybe they've backtracked because they didn't get the glowing approval they want (lol) but that didn't stop them from printing UB despite initial backlash, it's almost like allowing hybrid in mono color isn't for profit reasons, but their way of making design easier for draft + 60 card + 99 card>I'm talking with you. Why do you believe that hybrid mana should change?i already told you, it's only right that multicolor cards can identify as mono color, just like mono color can identify as multicolor, it's really that simplenow you may think that's not worth all this riffraff, but what you can't deny is that it makes sense
>>97551399I know no one is silencing me. I'm presenting that my ideas aren't irrelevant. They're relevant to me, and as long as you continue this conversation relevant to you.I think it's natural for companies to test the waters with these kind of things. It's wise of them to be cautious, they're currently being sued by share holders right now for how they handle the game. Better to not rock the boat.I am denying that it makes sense, hybrid cards have both colors therefore they aren't one color. I think that Yasova is a green card and the exception that WOTC made to add activated abilities to the color identity of your commander (but only for deck building) was a bad choice.
>>97551428>the exception that WOTC made to add activated abilities to the color identity of your commander (but only for deck building) was a bad choice.well now that ship has sailed, and it's hard to maintain a position of no change faced with such card like yasova other than "this is how EDH has been for years why change it">It's wise of them to be cautious, they're currently being sued by share holders right now for how they handle the game. Better to not rock the boat.if it were that bad gavin wouldn't have opened his mouth about hybridyou remember all those posters about how mono color is gimped and should have more options, and why blue only has stack interactionsomething likeu/ginstantcounter target enchantment spell, instant spell, or triggered abilitywould be more in line with what mono green edh players want and allowing hybrid to change will allow wotc to balance edh while not breaking the other formats
>>97551456I agree that it's too far gone, but I don't want to encourage it to be worse.Again testing the waters if they had enough of the player base behind them they would have done it. I think there was enough push back that they didn't.Instead of changing the rules they could just print more stack interaction, red gets more redirects, green more target creature spell can't be countered, white could actually be secondary in counterspells like it's supposed to be.
>>97551844don't forget black discard, which has been gimped for the longest time in edh>i'm just taking one card wotc, i just want all my opponents reveal their hands too
>>97551875I'd be happy with that.
Should I build Angels or Werewolves next?
>>97552699Angels. Werewolves are not a great time, and their only upside is that players have to track day/night.
>>97552860The UPSIDE is day night?
I finally played Erinis and it actually sucks
