asking again
isn't there really any source book for the camarilla for 2e? not the revised one

in theory it's this one

>>97566586
Emphasis on "in theory"

>>97566586
>>97567199
Assuming jannies don't delete it, we'll just use this one once the other hits autosage. Saves us having to bake another thread.

>>97566232
Man, remember when Crom used to take requests here all the time?

The other one is getting hit hard by the samefagging shitter so may as well use this one

>>97567657
What? No. I must've missed that part. I know he used to be a /co/ drawfag a long, long time ago. When did he take requests on /tg/?

Yep staying on this thread. Other one went to shit.

>>97566232
>What's the weirdest thing you have seen while using Obfuscate and similar powers?
One of the other PCs got attacked by a 9-foot tall, hideously scarred, chainsaw wielding werewolf, and for a while the rest of us could only perceive that she was desperately dodging away from something. It took some time and effort to even hear the roaring or the chainsaw, to see the hulking monster and the footprints she left in the snow, to smell the hot metal and gasoline.

Unless you meant voyeuristic incidents, in which case we haven't seen too much of note.

>>97568344
Invisible enemies are probably the most annoying thing you can throw at a group.

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Going to repost my question from yesterday because I got no good answer. My diablerist I_am_a_Shark has finally maxed willpower. Last game I just diablerized my second brujah but only got a single dot of dominate out of it. So now I want to diablerize even more.

My question is, now that I have maxed willpower, what should I spend my exp on? I just joined a sabbat pack led by Rasputin and that mad lad has koldunism maxed out in many paths, as well as some Thaumaturgy. Before today I wouldn’t consider blood sorcery for my savage shark, but it’s also the only disciplines that can’t be stolen/gained for free with diablerie. I’m also open to buy merits or other stuff. I can share the character sheet if you guys want.

>>97566232
>enters thread
>saves thread pic
>leaves

>>97566232
the most sickest and more slickest camarilla killer

Here's an opinion: I don't think the Crafts within the Disparates should have Advantage Spheres. Not sure what they should have instead thought (Maybe Rotes which combine multiple Spheres, idk).

>>97570785
... anyone can come up with a rote that combines multiple Spheres anon. If you're using only one for every effect you cast you're not gonna last long.
If you don't like having one Sphere discounted, you can always replace it with a fitting Merit, a Wonder or whatever works for the Craft.

Any good crash course sources for chronicles werewolf? Burgerkrieg has been great for learning about old world of darkness quickly then my storyteller rugpulls me by deciding to run chronicles.

>Read the book

Doing so when I have the time, still a better learner with multiple sources.

>>97571999
>Any good crash course sources for chronicles werewolf?
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Forsaken
Here's a decent primer.

>not OwOd
This is why the thread failed

Are there any thaumaturgical uses for the blood of a virgin who was embraced? Something unique to them so not just regular vitae. Some kind of ritual ideally, something the average clan mate wouldn't know about but you wouldn't need to be Tremere to do, an evil regent or something.

>>97576183
Impressive Visage requires washing your face in the stuff but they don't have to be embraced. I suppose it'd be useful if you were a vampire who was a virgin. Maintain your purity, remain a wizard, look sexy without worry. On a purely thematic level it'd probably be worthwhile as an effect for shriving or purity, counterspells and the like.

I think there's a theban sorcery effect using it.

Other thread on autosage. Bumping this one so we can re-use it rather than make a new one.

Here's a thought exercise. If you were to port the Hunter factions to the OG WoD how would you fit them into the setting?

>>97583277
Independent groups like smaller scale Leopoldites or parts of the Arcanum/Leopold that is incredibly insular and particular about certain things. So kind of like sects

>>97583351
But that's boring and lame.

>>97583491
You'd have to refill the setting to an insane degree considering how these hunter organizations actively contradict each other and engage in heresy. In any setting where Leopoldites exist it'd basically be massive gang war, which would just turn it into Hunter: the Masquerade

>>97583751
>You'd have to refill the setting to an insane degree considering how these hunter organizations actively contradict each other and engage in heresy.
Why?

>>97576183
There's fuck all in terms of rituals that use virgin blood as an ingredient. Sure you could write them but I really don't remember anything that would actually work.

>>97583345
>Victor can be said to be "inspired by Promethean”
Nobody played this game

Where is hedgefag

>>97584452
Why do they never ask "how is hedgefag"?

>>97567657
nobody cool posts on 4chan anymore. it's just a bunch of edgy third worlders and feds trying to honeypot people

>>97583751
In any setting where Leopoldites exist it'd basically be massive gang war
I can the the SoL trying to take out the Lucifuge

>>97584678
>take out the Lucifuge
>Take out the monsterfuckers
>take out the christian fire larpers (heresy)
>take out any magical niggas (heresy + witchcraft)
>take out any high tech niggas or bully them into submission (heresy)
I can see them taking out anyone except Valkyrie spooks that they're likely to cooperate with. On top of groups like the Leopoldites being very dismissive of independent hunters while a large portion of nWoD guys are minor affiliates. It'd be an interesting high politics game, but I don't think it'd be heavy on cooperation.

>>97583277
There aren't actually too many problems with doing this, since oWoD was really light on its organized hunter lore, presumably because Reckoning was an entirely different premise from HH so the latter never got the full splat treatment. You got the SoL, a bunch of lore stub equivalents for other religions, some by the numbers glowies, and then the special ching chong hunters but that's par for the course with oWoD. Everything ching chong needs to be special.

The only real snags would be how to handle the compacts/conspiracies that do the same thing as oWoD equivalents, and how to handle the ones that are tied into a splat that works differently in nWoD. TF:V and VASCU mog the ever-loving hell out of SAD. You could either try to roll them together, or you could have a bit of fun and turn it into a parody of how the U.S. has way too many intelligence agencies that technically do different things, but practically just step on each other's toes and create more bureaucratic waste. Three or more bureaus arguing about jurisdiction rather than just killing the monster. On the other hand, SoL and MM do very similar things in different ways. You could syncretize them but then you got the mess of having two different sets of faith powers. Granted, with 2e vigil redoing Benedictions as rituals rather than normal, in a pinch powers, you could possibly roll it into theurgy. On the last point, I'm sure you could refluff things like the Lucifuge to fit with Fallen but I don't know enough about fallen to do that.

oWoD/nWoD mixing works better if you do it ground-up rather than try and shove something from one into the other haphazardly. What do you like about each, what do you want to cut? That kind of thing. Make something that works for your table, because you'll never please everyone.

>>97566232
Making a risky type of Vamp: one who works in the FBI to feed information to my sire. What position level would allow night shift only and not ask too many questions? Kinda planning to sex-hypnotize my boss (ghouling is too risky).

>>97584910
Finally a good answer.

>Make something that works for your table, because you'll never please everyone.
As per the original post, this was a little experiment to see what anons would come up. I'm largely disappointed, though. At least your post showed pretty good ideas.

Imagine being a tremere. Not only are you descended from failed mages, you're not even real vampires and your shitty pyramid skeem collapsed.

I think Camarilla should make a new law that makes creating Gargoyles not only legal, but mandatory.
Each new Gargoyle makes the world a little bit brighter and less ugly.

I'm not really into WoD, but I swear I read a wiki article or piece of lore about a Catholic vampire who revealed himself to the Vatican causing the first inquisition, or some similar event. For the life of me I cannot find what it is from and I swear it was WoD related. From what I remember he gathered a bunch of official and then walked into the sun to his final death.

Am I just crazy and making it up? Was it an event path from the Crusader Kings mod? I dunno, if anyone knows it would be cool.

>>97585311
Well, the Society of Leopold was founded in 1231 after Leo told Gregory that he wants to fight the supernatural. Don't remember the vampire sacrafice part.

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here's your pooka gf bro

>>97566232
that's Mac Tonite

I found it. It was an event chain in the World of Darkness, Crusader Kings 3 mod which is set around 1066-1453. I got confused and though it was a lore character.

It's something you can do if your character is a catholic vampire with certain traits. I think it disables all the masquerade mechanics and starts open war between vampires and humans.

>>97585530
>Ended up with a changeling instead of a custom built robo wife living in my horizon realm
I have failed in life

>>97584935
If you absolutely must be there in person as a vampire, get hired as a worker, not an agent, on the night shift. Security, maintenance, or if you can stomach it, janitor. You want to be beneath notice, but still have access to all the places and people that contain sensitive information. Mindbreak someone higher up the totem pole, and then passively profit.

>>97585125
I see the Tziggers are still reeling from last thread.

>>97585670
Would it be weird for an FBI spook to request a nighttime only schedule?

>>97586757
Kinda, they're gonna ask you why so you better have a good reason. You better hope they don't decide to look into you a bit more closely. Imagine never seeing someone out during the day.

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So what happened to this guy?

>>97585530
>i love you anon

>>97584452
>>97584481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsZIb1Dx8fg

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Sell me on one of the following:

>Deviant: the Fallen
>Beast: the Masquerade
>Changeling: the Renegades
>Werewolf: the Reckoning
>Mage: the Requiem
>Vampire: the Descent
>Promethean: the Apocalypse
>Demon: the Resurrection
>Geist: the Oblivion
>Hunter: the Sin-Eaters
>Wraith: the Created
>Mummy: the Fallen

>>97585543
most major prince of darkness event decisions are technically possible but nobody managed other stuff include: fully winning the omen war on either side, building a wraith empire in the skinlands and rebel against stryga, 4th baali war, rebuilding clan salubri, collecting the sargon fragments, getting into haven as a demon or throwing open the abyss for the final war or do the grandmaw plot of orpheus during the dark ages etc etc etc

and in general now with the asia expension they are going more into homebrew with custom cainite bloodlines and kuei jin characters

so while it is a awesome mod don't take it as a history bible for wod

>>97586992
got killed by the were hyena rallying the other fera who had enough of his shit

>>97586992
>Richard from Strange Fake

>>97587400
Suck my nuts while stroking me off first.

>>97587400
Give it a break.

As a Sin Eater, can I have sex with my Geist? Like say she was the Beheaded Prom Queen.

I have a retarded question.
If you play a vampire, killing someone makes you lose humanity, correct? Then, what happens if your vampire is racist, and just killed an Asian or an African civilian, do they still lose humanity?

>>97587996
Yes, it's a free merit.

>>97588019
yes humanity is meant to be objective not subjective so if you are a psychopath you also still lose humanity even if you didn't give a shit while human

it's why lasombra of all people advise against embracing (serial) killers

>>97588032
Oh, okay.
Damn, I thought I found a loophole by having a K.K.K. member get embraced.

>>97588019
>>97588036
Humanity loss is about whether you feel bad about what you just did or not, but not in they way you seem to be thinking. Not caring about, or justifying to yourself, what you just did means you lose Humanity, that's what failing the roll signifies.
So your suggested kkk member is if anything more likely to lose Humanity than someone else.

reminder that 7 is the norm but you can start on lower humanity based on virtues and that there are human npcs with humanity as low as 3

>>97588232
>there are human npcs with humanity as low as 3
Yeah, it’s called being Based.

>>97588019
it is easier to think about losing humanity not as failing to retain humanity but losing yourself to the beast
the beast is selfish, violent and hungry, killing is what she likes (you know, caine and all that), ergo killing makes you lose

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Let's make a new path.
Last digit shows the place of the sin in the hierarchy of sins.
Dubs decide the name.

>>97588333
Wearing clothes.

>>97588333

Walking is for the weak. Run, Cainite!

>>97588333
Paying Taxes, nice digits though.

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>>97586992
This guy makes me realize that if the Garou hadn't started the war, another tribe would have.

>>97588342
>>97588352
diogenes style

>>97588333
Committing diablerie on a vampire of a different gender.

>>97588118
>>97588328
...hah. So not only it's not a loophole, it's actually a disadvantage.
Damn.

>>97588333
Not using a racial slur each evening. This doesn't have to be for human races, you can use specific insults for werewolves or wizards (Potters are not human).

>>97588333
Not being bloodbonded

>>97586992
>>97588353
What did he even do?

>>97588401
It's sort of a mixture of all of them and the mental gymnastics associated with it (at your ST's discretion). For example, if your racist is killing because asians and blacks fit inside his moral framework easier that'd be an easier humanity loss, but if you REALLY go through the mental gymnastics to think of your racist killing as having a higher purpose beyond getting your dick hard to killing minorities you can almost skim a humanity loss if it actually has any effect or will have any effect. Like say, you killing a black criminal because you're racist as well as to clean up society would be hard to spin into a humanity loss. But if you just kill a random nigga with a family without any proof then yeah you're just angling to lose some. Sort of like killing a random tech jeet on a visa versus killing a CEO or manager

>>97588333
Being rude.

>>97588658
>but if you REALLY go through the mental gymnastics to think of your racist killing as having a higher purpose beyond getting your dick hard to killing minorities
How about "I don't want my people's children to be wantonly raped or murdered."

>>97588658
Oh, I was thinking of the extreme racist who only see them as insects. Like, calls all black people "monkeys" and genuinely see them as such, and see everything vaguely Asian as a Chinese "bugman".
I wondered if, by deshumanizing his victims, he'd never lose humanity, but typing that, I just realized: no way he'd feed off them if he hates them that much.

>>97588690
Unless he's a Ventrue.

>>97588683
This is fair, but the more simple your cause is the more mental gymnastics you'll have to do to avoid falling into the beast's desire for wanton killing. It's certainly something you'll have to also go to a painstaking length to roleplay out and avoid sadism or unnecessary cruelty with it. It's not the worst idea, but frankly it's hard to RP properly and it might be a bit contentious in an actual table seeing as how you'd basically be a murderhobo with criteria
>>97588690
This might not be enough, what your beast sees as human prey is iirc rather agnostic to your personal beliefs so you dehumanizing your target might not entirely save you from humanity losses. On top of you not wanting to feed on them, it's probably not entirely a justification for you killing. You have to fully drain an animal for some blood for instance but you get enough life force out of a human with smaller sips even if you don't like the human, so you'd be killing them just to kill them or because you lose control.

All in all, I'd say being a racist vampire antihero is probably more pain that it's worth, even further explaining it to your ST and making it his headache in whether allowing you to kill off 60% of detroit is a good idea

>>97588690
Being so detatched from your humanity that you cannot recognise other people means your humanity is already pretty fucked.

>>97588767
...hah.
Yeah.

>>97588724
>racist ventrue has to suck blood from minorities
That sounds like a fun idea.

>>97588773
That does sound rather kino yeah

>>97588793
It would be pretty fun, imagine the possible scenario if he accidentally kills someone because he doesn't realize his own strength, and then slowly realize that humans are fragile, so fragile, and aren't the warriors that he believed they were.
Then he begins to try to reanimate the bloke with artificial breathe, cardiac massage and all that, but it fails, and then he mutters "I killed someone". Not "something", not "a human", but "someone".

>>97588642
He basically became the supreme lord of Africa.

>>97588808
That could be a kino character arc though I think more into delusions about human nature than racism
>>97588853
Based actually, perhaps they should have been the main characters instead of the Garou

>>97588864
Don't these go hands in hands? A lot of the posts I see about Vikings being badass or "humanity, fuck yeah" tend to focus on white folks, the Aryan race.

>>97588894
>A lot of the posts I see about Vikings being badass or "humanity, fuck yeah" tend to focus on white folks, the Aryan race.
And?

>>97588894
Well sort of, as most of (non-eastern) storytelling is through the European perspective. That doesn't entirely mean that a racist will imagine minorities as warriors unless you're talking about the type of racist who thinks minorities come here to loot and spread their culture against your own. In the latter case, yeah you would be correct, I just feel like it doesn't pair too well in the former. There's no pressure to make your character conform to normal thinking though, that could be the reason you were embraced

>>97588927
No, no, I mean the opposite.
Like, imagine a neo-nazi, maybe not that brazen, but some massive loser who believe that all Vikings are supersoldiers, who believes in all that alpha male nonsense, and that the white race is destined to reign supreme because they're the strongest.
The bloke get embraced because he's a moron and thus perfect cannon fodder, and once he's embraced, after a few fights, he realizes that not only humans are insanely weak, but that there's also no differences between them. Any vampire will kill a human.

>>97588936
Oh, yeah that's quite kino mindbreak fodder. I like this idea

>>97588944
Add some vampire propaganda like "the best human athlete is maybe an eleven while a human kid is ten, but a vampire is a thousand".
And what annoys me is that I'm going to forget everything by the time I can play a new character.

>>97588936
That's just your average Sabbat recruit. They'll have him either dead in a ditch or espousing vampire supremacy soon enough.

>>97588978
You are naive if the think the Camarilla doesn't sometimes embrace cannon fodder.

>>97588936
>but that there's also no differences between them.
But women are weaker and Asians are shorter than average.

>>97589000
All nonsense to the 9 foot tall 800 lb Tzimisce

>>97589017
>Tzimisce
Didn't they turn into a fungus or something?

>>97589000
Same thing than in Starcraft where a civilian has 40 HP while a marine in very heavy armour has 40 HP.
They're dealing with things so powerful that it makes no difference. What is the difference between a lieutenant or a sergeant to a god?

>>97588936
But there's also fun in playing a vampire who stubbornly clings to petty human prejudices, politics and philosophy, like the Brujah Confederate who doesn't really give a shit about the sects and only fights the Sabbat to earn favour within the Camarilla, so he might be able to convince them to side with the reborn Confederate States of America when the South rises again.

>>97588290
More like debased.

>>97588808
And then Albie the Racist Vampire wasn't racist any more.

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>>97588936
>-t.

>>97589324
Very beautiful self-portrait, nice composition. Homo.

>>97589324
Holy fuck what are they feeding the americans
This person looks 12 and 38 at the same time.

>>97589389
Estrogen in the water and lack of working out

>>97589045
They can turn into whatever they want

>>97589389
It's AI slop, that's why.
That loser needs a machine to make memes for him.

would someone be kind enough to break down the kuei jin dharmas for me? bullet points or something would be enough

>>97589709
Get a job, Malkav.

>>97589709
This kills the Magefag.

>>97589389
This is what a lifetime of zero meat, zero eggs and zero exercise does to you.

>>97589367
>>97589596
Lying and projecting, the classic zero-T playbook.

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>>97589709
Weak men desperately try to think their own perspective is reality.
Strong men take reality for what it is and sculpt it further

>>97589742
But enough about True Magik users

>>97589714
Make me!

>>97589000
The embrace is a funny equalizer. Turn a tiny asian woman and she'll definitely start out with less strength than a gym rat, but what's fun is that being a vampire means she could achieve peak human strength passively without gaining a single ounce of muscle on her tiny form, though it would take a very long time in all likelihood. By burning through her blood fast enough, she could even start ragdolling grown men as a fledgeling. If she learns potence, either naturally as an in-clan or with a teacher, that tiny asian woman could start throwing cars.

I dunno how often it comes up in other people's games, but it's something I really like playing with for vampires. How big someone is doesn't tell you how physically mighty they are, at best, it tells you what their floor was.

>>97589742
>Said the most arrogant, megalomaniacal, control obsessed clan ever.
The day Tziggers "take reality as is" is the day pigs will fly

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>>97589817
>pigs will fly
Yeah, about that...

>>97589709
>Said man who believed his perspective was the only reality

>>97589742
>You will never be a real Mage. You have no Avatar, you have no Ture Magic, you have no connection to the Tellurian. You are a sorcerer twisted by hubris and vampirism into a crude mockery of humanity's perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Mages mock you. Your sire is disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your lack of Avatar behind closed doors. Mages are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of using magic have allowed Willworkers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Tremmies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a mage. Your lack of spheres is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk hermetic home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your unenlightened soul. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your sire will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll use whatever remains for their rituals, and every kindred for the rest of eternity will know a mundane vampire died there. Your mind will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a pile of ash that is unmistakably mundane.

>>97589709
this message was approved by the sons of ether. and disaproved by the sons of ether. and approved again by the sons of ether

and now they are shooting each other with beam guns

Reminder, if you're in the Sabbat, you're basically a slave. You can't leave the Sabbat under pain of final death, and you must make war on the Sabbat's enemies (read: pretty much everyone) because they're all totally servants of the Antediluvians, I swear.

But that's not the actual reason the Sabbat exists. No no, the Sabbat is a welfare state for Tzimisce. The entire sect was created so Tzimisce didn't have to get with the times. They sit around in their moldy old estates torturing the homeless for shits and giggles while the rest of the sect dies to protect them from the masquerade jannies. Most don't even take the vinculum. If they have a pack, they probably just make a little pouch in the back of their throat to store it without drinking it, then spit it out later when they're alone. All the while the rest of the sect is forced to drink their diseased vitae. The Sabbat is a well-oiled machine that turns shovelheads into welfare for lazy Tziggers. Bishops sell their dignity to Tziggers for a nose job. You might think you're fighting for Caine, but you're actually just fighting so some old Tzigger can keep pretending the year is 1220.

>>97589997
>Tzimisce are the Rockefellers of the Kindred
>Sabbatards are the Amerimutts of Kindred

>>97589966
That reminds me, anyone here ever played Genius? What was it like?

>>97590028
Extremely clunky rules for Wonders meant that we gave up on it during the first session when a player made the mistake of deciding that he would invent something, which proceeded to turn the next two hours into scrolling back and forth across hundreds of pages in a PDF trying to figure out how to make it work.

>>97589997
Sabbat exists so we can break the shit of faggots like you and other cocksuckers who want to bootlick. We're the real anarchists.

Are all Sabbat baby-eating psychopaths?

>>97590069
the writters when they write the sabbat (post v1 but pre v5) want to say no, but they also wiped out the path of harmony for not being baby eating enough

>>97590063
>Anarchy is when you have religious compliance police that can and will burn vampires at the stake on suspicion
>Anarchy is when I have to drink an elder's bath blood every time he gets a promotion
>Anarchy is when I hit someone over the head with a shovel and induct them into my cult-government, and kill them if they want to leave

lmao.

>>97590069
They don't all start that way, but a good 90% or more of them end up that way. The ones who deny it the most vehemently are the ones who do the worst ones.

>>97590069
>>97590077
Pretty much that, they aren't meant to be entirely baby eating psychopaths but the whole Cainite supremacy shit is basically a blank check to fuck with the normies and eat babies if you want. So yeah, it's no surprise that immortal bloodsuckers probably turn to baby eating or other shit to fight off their boredom.

>>97590103
>Low IQ bootlicker spouting propaganda
Lmao cool story cuck. real anarchists know you need to have some level of organization to fight against the system. other way you end up dead and your head chopped. you're next on the chopping block bootlover, tick fucking tock.

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>>97590266
>Thats the spirit, most valiant sla..., I mean, childe! Now get back in the sewers, those Nosferatu wont flush out themselves. Meanwhile, I'll stay at my mansion, waiting for my nex Neetblood payday.

how strong are the Princess: The Hopeful characters actually in comparision to other splats?

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Don't want Mages to interact with you? Just say no, and state magic doesn't exist.

We must secure the existence of true Magick and a future for awakened mages because the beauty of the fully awakened avatar must not perish from the Tellurian.

>>97590319
*sends groups of crackheads screaming, "Magic isn't real!" at you*

>>97590105
>has a list of genetic diseases longer than a phonebook from thousands of years of inbreeding
>calls others inferior
Nice try, rabbi.

>>97590266
>propaganda
The Blood Bath, the aforementioned "drinking an elder's bath blood", is an Auctoritas Ritae. Death for apostasy is listed in the 2e Guide to the Sabbat as an appropriate punishment for defection, and the Auctoritas Ritae of the Wild Hunt supports this. The Sabbat Inquisition is an official organization, and has legal right to investigate any member of the Sabbat under the Code of Milan's articles 14 and 16. They can and have burned kindred at the stake, as they did in Montreal.

Even if you're a loyalist and reject the Code of Milan, the other two examples are explicit Auctoritas Ritae, and if you reject both the Auctoritas Ritae and the Code of Milan, you're not in the Sabbat, you're a LARPing Anarch.

>>97589930
>Tremere sisters...our response??

>>97590409
just beat up the order of hermes again

>diablerie is le bad it's like le super rape because it destroys a vampires soul
>embracing? That's a gift.

>>97590427
>the only vampires who give you a choice when it comes to the embrace are the baali because they know it's damnation

>>97590427
>because it destroys a vampires soul
fake and gay.
Soul leaves inside you. Enjoy having a retarded unwashed Gangrel you snacked on inside you for the rest of your unlife.

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Anybody else play this banger?
>>97590441
>>97590427
>implying leeches have souls.

>>97590427
I'm not sure I see the proposed contradiction here. If diablerie is the devouring of another's soul, then it means vampires have souls. Therefore embracing someone isn't harming their soul metaphysically. If one truly believes the upsides of vampirism outweighs the downsides, then it would be fair to call it a gift, yes.

>>97590441
>He didn't properly digest the heart's blood
Lmao you botched the diablerie fuckboy.

>>97590462
>Therefore embracing someone isn't harming their soul metaphysically
Nigger, your sinful nature literally gains consciousness and tries to turn you into a mindless psychotic wight after the embrace

>>97590427
>Vampires are selfish asshole suffering from bucket crab mentality
The sky is blue

>>97590343
>calls non-jew a jew
Shalom, Rabbi Shecklestein

>>97590506
not a big fan of the ultra-literal "the beast is a personified intelligence" take myself.

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>tfw Toreador with Malkv bf

Throwing Garou into woodchippers feet first!

>>97590594
*Laughs in Uratha damage reduction*

>>97590594
Woodchippers with made with Primium, come get your Premium Primium Woodchipper!

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Why are vampires and werewolves so iconic? Is it because of their appearance? Is it because of what they represent? Why have other monsters been relegated to the background?

>>97590775
Vampires are iconic, because they're immortal humans with superpowers, So you can self-insert yourself as one easily.
I dont know about werewolves. Why would anyone want to be a fucking furry?

>>97590775
Mainly literature and legends. Mummies are quite iconic too but when you think about it when Egyptology lost popularity and there were a few series of very mediocre films and books about mummies they sort of fell off. If anything, we must blame the eternal goonette Anne Rice for making vampires the sexy misunderstood popular monster they like to use

>>97590775
They're the sexiest ones. Although sometimes mummies and prometheans are also sexy, but those are not usually the default depictions.

>>97590817
>>97590775
Idk, but I'd fuck a werewolf

>>97590817
>I dont know about werewolves.
>Why would anyone want to be a fucking furry?
You answered yourself. Werewolf popularity is largely because of furfags. As for why furfags exist? Childhood trauma, and they sexually latched on to the anthropomorphic animals that are commonly used in children's entertainment.

>>97591066
>Childhood trauma
Aren't Changeling the Lost and Beast the Primordial the abuse simulator games?
CofD writers really had a fetish for that stuff.

>>97590583
Damn brat. Needs anal to not be so smug.

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>>97590839
We need any more sexy mummies.

>>97590675
We were talking Garou, who could maybe somehow survive depending on wonky soak and how the ST rules their rage "I lived bitch" ability. But that's mostly oWoD soak being oWoD soak where how tanky a character is can swing wildly.

Whether or not a Uratha (presuming hybrid form for max regen) could survive a woodchipper I guess would be based on how one would stat a woodchipper. Even an unremarkable Uratha can heal off the damage of being hit by a pickup truck in a single turn (again, assuming hybrid) and live even a semi truck. If a woodchipper is dealing like 6, 7, or even 8L a turn as you get fed in, yeah a Uratha would RAW survive it easily if they were in the correct form. You'd put the werewolf in, and it regenerates so quickly that it comes out the other end whole. If the woodchipper is dealing aggravated (which is a lot rarer in CofD) though, they're probably dead.

>>97591122
>CtL
Simulator of getting raped so hard you go insane.
>DtR
Simulator of getting raped so hard you go insane and become a hobo.
>BtP
Rapist simulator.

>>97591274
>Rapist simulator.
Makes a lot more sense when you consider who wrote it.

>>97590438
real shit

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Some paradigms are just better than others. Akashics get access to a whole trove of exclusive free non-magical powers they can use, not to mention body control which is a separate skill and also isn't magical. Also 10k weapons is hilarious. Nothing like killing someone with a papeclip or a mug like that one scene from the Riddick movie.

>>97591649
>anti-shibari technique
Shameful.

>>97589742
You will never escape the blood thirst

>>97591649
Do any other traditions get special snowflake abilities?

>>97591873
Some get a few bits like the hermetic have a umbrood etiquette skill but none get nearly as much as the Akashics

>>97591873
The Verbena have a unique connection to the Old Roads.

>>97588333
Path of the Machine

>>97591924
Does this imply the Akashics are the main characters or is it one of those things where you can't fulfill the fantasy without additional bonuses like that?

>>97591649
Why don't you guys just homebrew shit for the other traditions?

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>>97590544
Aye, same. Maybe I'm massively under-read on all "ride the frenzy" rules and Gangrel lore, but to me The Beast is Hunger. It's not like it's your evil headtwin ala Banner/Hulk you can dialogue and sort of come to an agreement with, but it is desire, appetite, consumption, it's Caine slaying Abel with a rock in a moment of envy, pride, bloodlust, and wrath once again. All vampires hunger and when you take away the particularities of each Clan's hunger (for knowledge, power, freedom, obsession, control, enlightentment, transcendence or whatever it may be) they're all the same. The living eat because they need to, the undead eat because they Want.

>>97592076
Unrelated but what would Doorman be? Some umbral spirit possessing a body seems like the most obvious choice.

>>97588333
not having sex or kissing once per day

>>97592091
>Doorman
I'm thinking Fallen that never ended up in hell

>>97592059
Dreamspeakers can physically enter spiritland, IIRC.
Sons of Cringe and Virtual inepts can't innovate.
Druggies are too busy doing drugs.

>>97581618
Oh, I am interested in taking it in extra. That or the rival flaw towards someone in the Order of Hermes.

>>97581512
In the Anima game, Ashley Kyteler was the descendant of a Fairy/Witch. Her ancestor, Alice Kyteler, was actually still alive. She had great magical might compared to most magi, and her magecraft was based around now forgotten shamanic and Druidic rituals. Powers and rites that were mostly forgotten by the world, even to the magi community. By doing pagan rituals like dancing naked, painting runes on her skin, and donning the skin of animals she could communicate, command or even embody nature spirits, gods of a bygone era and even demons!

And by demons in Nasu-verse there’s
1) Evil beings
2) Biblical ones
3) Beings born from the Imaginary Element
4) Beings equivalent to the Great Old Ones from HP Lovecraft, never appearing before and if they ever materialized they would end the world

GM said that I could summon all four.

>>97592153
>Beings equivalent to the Great Old Ones from HP Lovecraft,
Time to learn some mad geometry

>>97592153
>GM said I can summon all four
Surely, this will not end up biting you in the ass

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and if?

>>97592187
Being an abomination gargoyle must be the worst experience ever
>Tremere slave
>2nd class Kindred
>Still assmad about Gaia
>Now an abomination

>>97592187
I swear our slaves are getting uglier each year.

>>97592173
Impossible angles!

>>97592179
Ending the world in a scale that never existed in all of Nasu’s works and anything affiliated? Nah

Though the game was cancelled unfortunately

>>97592227
>in the scale that never existed in all of Nasu's work
The remnants of humanity existing in furry Russia/England seems pretty downright catastrophic, never mind Notes and the dead Earth spinoffs

>>97592187
Adventure Quest?

>>97592204
Going by france by night you are also locked into lupus form for some reason

Yes wolfform not Warform

>>97592135
Those are what Changelings are.

>>97592543
Well, Doorman can easily be a very powerful Fae that ended up back in reality somehow seeing as how he has an extreme fixation and basically has a domain

>>97592527
Wow, being a literal bloodsucking dog must be fucking awful so I'm going to choose to ignore it if I ever want to make a garou gargoyle

>>97592588
Does this count as dubs for naming? Also kek, I kek'd a lot. Rollin for 7 or 10
>ghouling minors

>>97592597
This kills the Discord mod.

>>97592729
Perhaps I should have said
>Not ghouling minors
To really live the Ancap dream

>>97592153
>dual tradition verbana and hermetic nephandi

>>97590775
We had nearly a full decade of zombie movies, but now they are forgotten...

>>97592842
To be fair, few were good and zombies were monsters of low personality. Rarely were zombies every the subject of zombie movies, they were just akin to a natural disaster as opposed to the human element and most monster movies boiled down to
>Mankind's ability to self-destruct in the face of catastrophe

Best splat to rape men and women without getting caught?

>>97593106
Vampire is all about (almost) daily rape.

>>97593111
*nightly

>>97591649
This is actually to make up for the extremely limited nature of Akashic magick, which is mostly channelled through martial arts and meditation. There's only so much that an Akashic mage can do in that very narrow and very internally focused paradigm, so they can get their own brand of mystical martial arts to make up for it. Otherwise, they would just be the Tradition of punching and kicking good.

>>97593106
Werewolf
>get degenerate monster sex in public
>no one remembers it
>>97593118
Okay, Ventrue

>>97592582
>spoiler
Reasonable. I have no idea what they been smoking when they made the stone dog gargoyles in france by night

First of all stone dogs already referred to another tremere creation, you need a earthbound’s help for reasons the book does not explain, no flight and the gargoyle loses it’s shapeshifting despite having protean as inclan
0/10 template

>>97566232
>>97585539
Sabbat lives do not matter

>>97593376
Correct.

>>97593321
If their Tremere makers forced them to be wolf only while they are bloodbound or something then yeah that's fine, but a free one being locked to it or just not getting to is a bit restrictive in ways that just aren't fun or interesting. Just make a regular dog gargoyle then and not risk a mutiny

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>the technocracy PUNCHES NAZIS
yass slay

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>>97593376

>>97593242
>Okay, Ventrue
I'm a Tzimisce

>>97593894
Okay, freaky shapeshifting Ventrue

>>97592121
Does kissing your homie (no homo) counts?

>>97593376
Sabbat unlives matter.

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>>97593106
BSDs get a magical roofie rite.

Wild perspective: Volcano, Earthquake and Twister aren't just the Spirits of those things, they're also Spirits of the ways the Wyld is trying to get more "Breathing Room" in between the constricting threads of the Weaver and gnashing jaws of the Wyrm
Volcano represents the Wylds attempts to just make more space directly.
Earthquake represents its attempts to force its surroundings into new shapes thus creating a space where it can fit.
Twister represents its attempts to clear space by destroying things which were already there.

>>97594468
Why would they bother with a roofie?

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Which of the two would sleep with a werewolf?

>>97593376
where's my fucking mcmuffin

>>97593376
>Vampire lives do not matter
FTFY

>>97594629
Jeanette, duh. Especially if Therese badmouths them.

>>97594629
Both lol

>>97594629
Jeanette would do it just to annoy Therese.
Therese would do it out of fetishism.

>>97594932
Do you mean "both" as individuals or "both" because they are the same person?

>>97593376
I CAN'T EMBRACE

>>97594301
Dog cock...

>>97595071
Like the anon above says
>Jeanette fucks Garou because it annoys Therese and she loves to make her mad
>Therese fucks Garou because she likes getting dommed by weirdos
One looks like she fucks Bone Gnawers for the thrill and the other one seems like she's secretly craving some experience out of 50 shades with a Glass Walker.
Therese might be a weirdo but I get the feeling she has standards. They're both willing to sleep with the player so I assume outside of the ugliest mofo's she doesn't have the strictest standards other than being a hobo

>>97593376
Considering how their default tactic is "send in the next wave", I think the Sabbat themselves would agree with you.

>>97595152
Yeah but those are False Sabbat. Theyre not even True Sabbat.

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Tell me about things you like in CtD. Tell me about your favorite court or house or kith. Tell me where you fall in the noble/commoner divide. Tell me your headcanons about the setting.

How can I, a mousy yet beautiful high humanity Toreader librarian who's shy, get a billionaire CEO Garou sugar daddy who's only nice to me?

>>97595248
>Billionaire
>Garou
>Sugar Daddy
>Nice to you (Lol)
You get 10 points, nice costs 6 and everything else costs 2

>>97595191
At this point most True Sabbat started out as False Sabbat that got promoted after surviving 3+ engagements.

>>97595248
Presence-bomb a Corporate Wolf big shot and get him to fall madly in love with you before he realises that you're a vampire, leading to the generic tragic romantasy plot line of him being divided and having to choose between his loyalty to his tribe, Gaia and the Garou Nation and his love for you when he finds out the truth, with the added twist that his love for you is built entirely on supernatural coercion.

>>97595532
The Toreador wanted a nice Garou anon

>>97595560
>nice
>Garou

No such thing. Kill em all. Make it painful.

>>97595560
No, they don't want a nice Garou, they want a Garou who is only nice to them, which can be any Garou after they've been subjected to lots of Presence shenanigans.

>>97595600
A Garou's version of "nice" to a loved on is being slightly more patient until you subject them to your shit-test and he loses it. You'd be an abuse victim anyway seeing as how Glass Walkers want you to basically be a kitchen appliance

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>>97595248
>get a billionaire CEO Garou sugar daddy

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>>97595355
And that matters? A False Sabbat is just a pledge. If they make it through the hazing then they can become a member of the fraternity.

>>97595653
Garou aren't typically supernaturally compelled to adore their Kinfolk. I don't think you can claim that the Glass Walker in this situation would treat the Toreador seducing them with Presence in the same way that they would treat their mail-order Kinfolk bride.

>>97595653
>Glass Walkers want you to basically be a kitchen appliance
I get excited when I hear the popcorn popping in the microwave.

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>>97595653

>>97595143
Nice.

>>97595675
Think of the sex though

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Considering they have their own book, how would the Street Fighter World Warriors fare in regular WoD? Not sure if they'd be as busted as high level Akashics but I imagine they'd at least be able to take on a couple licks considering Zangief wrestles bears on the regular, and some of the shit Akuma gets up to might be enough to give a Garou a run for their money.

>>97595143
>They're both willing to sleep with the player
Holy cow you fookin wot?
I knew about Jeanette because of course, she's Jeanette, but you can rizz Therese too? How? Does she have to be the one to survive? It might be time for another playthrough

>>97595684
You can't Presence your Garou "boyfriend" 24/7 and usually they handpick their mail order brides cause they like them. Doesn't stop them from having certain opinions
>>97595708
>>97595717
Based(?)

>>97595780
You can fuck both but yeah you basically need to simp for them. It's not worth it when you can just fuse and fuck the schizophrenia out of them I think.

As per your other question, your weakest supernatural is stronger or about as strong as a peak human so unless we're turning the cast into Wizards (except Akuma, he's genuinely just a Fallen in this universe) they'd struggle quite a bit except against ghouls and thinbloods. I'd argue most of them are more likely to be extremely buff sorcerers than Akashics too but I like the idea that they'd be Akashics.

>>97595679
Saw that video, to paraphrase a comment I read "Two men having sex with each other is less gay than whatever this is."

Likening shovelheads to pledges though is both weirdly accurate and also a scathing condemnation of the Sabbat.

>>97595784
>You can't Presence your Garou "boyfriend" 24/7
You don't need to, you just need to turn it on when making a big impression and during important turning points. Unless a character has a good reason to question and reevaluate their feelings, impression made while Presence powers are active aren't undone once the scene is over. If she seduces him while Awe is active, he's still going to be seduced after the scene is over, until he has good reason to unravel his feelings and figure out why he feels that way. This is unlikely to occur, as people who have fallen madly in love don't tend to pause and logically evaluate their feelings.

>>97595872
>Garoutard starts wondering why you can't get pregnant
>Sense Wyrm
If your Toreador isn't honest, lucky, or high humanity it's kind of doomed romance. Unless you're fine with being fwbs I think

>>97595887
You've got this weird habit of assuming that a werewolf seduced by the supernatural powers of a vampire is going to treat the vampire that they're madly in love with in exactly the same way as they would treat an arranged marriage Kinfolk bride who they are only in a relationship with for pragmatic procreational purposes.

>>97595927
Fair enough, I just figure unless the camp is upfront about being a Vampire or it's an extremely liberal Garou the whole Litany thing might become an issue for the Toreador.

>>97593399
>Much of the technocracy is aware of it's role in WW2 Germany and have no intention of allowing history to repeat itself.
At this point they could say the NWO has a tradition of wearing tiny hats and the comparison wouldn't be any more on the nose.

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>>97593106
Yaren aka Wereapes
Go roleplay as the ugly NTR bastard who somehow never gets suspected or blamed or get caught by the police

Or sell your soul like Nephandi and you will basically be free to fuck around and never face the consequences

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>>97596240
...I be honest, I don't get the problem with that quote? That fits with the theme of the Technocracy and the Traditions not wanting to make the same blunder they did in the WW2 since the Second Edition.

>>97595927
You have the even weirder supposition that the mutt isn't gonna smell the taint of the wyrm and ripntear reflexively.

>>97596331
>Wow, this sweet and lovely woman who I've just met is extremely charming and I think I'm already falling in love with her, I can't wait to meet her again. Clearly I am in a rational enough state of mind to immediately suspect foul play, use the Sense Wyrm gift if I have it, detect her Wyrm taint if her Humanity is low enough, deduce that she must be a vampire instead of being contaminated by other extremely common factors that cause Wyrm taint and instantaneously overcome all of the emotions that she just blasted into my brain so I can rip her to pieces.

I'm firmly of the opinion that if a vampire should ping as any form of triatfaggotry, it should be faintly Weaver by default. Except for Setites and Tzimisce those two should REEK of Wyrmfaggotry.

>>97595248
>>97595532
Add a brooding, edgy mage who's actually your childhood friend who wants to make you human again/is a yandere, and you'll have a woman romance dark fantasy kino.

>>97596454
You and every other NPC agree. If a vampirefag should ping as triatfaggotry, you guys are definitely Weaver tainted. Banal fuckers.

>still no merit for Kindred to purge themselves of the Wyrm taint
Gay

>>97596577
It’s called having high humanity (8+). Maybe they should try it sometime?

>>97596454
weaver stuff in general is sadly heavily underutilized in wta

>>97549819
Drop the complete pic

>>97596586
Pretty sure Garou still want to murder-fuck Kindred with high humanity on sight.

>>97596454
Being dead is not exactly what the weaver would consider a perfect state of being.

>>97596454
Vampires are corpses animated by the damned blood of the first murderer, who must drain the vitality of other living things in order to remain animate and harbour an endless primordial hunger that threatens to consume them if they can't cling to their humanity.

Considering that a human can ping as Wyrm tainted if they live next to a landfill or work at a slaughterhouse, I don't think it's a stretch that vampires typically ping as Wyrm tainted. Taint doesn't mean someone is evil or make them evil, it just means that they're contaminated by spiritual energy associated with death, stagnation or creation. It might make them more vulnerable to manipulation by spirits associated with those concepts, but it's commonly agreed that a werewolf who kills anyone and everyone who stinks of Wyrm taint is retarded even by Garou standards and just hurts the cause, especially since they often end up tainted just by fighting Wyrm shit. If someone pings as tainted, that should just be considered one strike, rather than carte blanch to turn that person past tense.

>>97596627
garou don't have many (in fact most have none) ways to differentiate a humanity 7+ vampire with blush of life on with a human (unless you are a sewer rat or tzimisce with flesh alterations of course) or even wolf if you have protean. people really overestimate how good garou are at sensing splats when their own books go into detail about that they have no way of knowing if any spider isn't a anasi without going into the umbra and how even that only works for fera and mages who currently messing with middle umbra spirits

>>97596627
nah remember our good old humanity 9 kyasid from the first sabbat book?

>There is a pack of werewolves called the Sunstringers who protect Bartholomew’s haven. They consider him one of the few Kindred deserving of an existence. They respect his pacifism and his connection to the Earth and Fae. Bartholomew can call the Sunstringers by phone if he needs their help.

and the salubri the special snowflakes that they are have a character concept in lore of bloodlines about being friends with mages and werewolves
>Your sire always told you to hide, but you never could listen. Your skills were too useful to your herd, to the herds of other vampires. Then two strange things happened: an car crash victim with a strange aura offered you a boon against the Tremere, and a freaking werewolf cried in front of you and thanked you for saving his wife, vile spawn or not. Now, like the Watchers of old, you act as public emissary to various supernatural factions around the city.

and neither of these are even in golconda!

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Pepperidge farm remembers the times where you can just get Werewolf companion as a merit.

Both in 1st Edition and 2nd Edition.

>>97596779
dark age second ed which i think is the counterpart to revised also had a merit for that in... i think wolves of the sea? and there was also a mummy friend merit in elysium

>>97596779
Ah, but you don't get to fuck it :(
Just use 1st and 2nd ed merits if you want, it honestly doesn't actually matter if you just talk with your ST. Honestly, you should be able to grab a companion from every splat though not for free
>>97596374
>Sweet and lovely
Aren't you able to recognize when presence has been used on you? Especially if you're not a normie and have some willpower?

>>97596671
I see what you're saying, but corpses typically have a certain smell that you should be able to understand if you have superior senses the way Garou do. That being said though, I can't imagine that most Garou would be capable of knowing that particular type of corpse smell that isn't actively decaying unless they have a lot of experience with Kindred, so in practicality you're correct.
>>97596729
Hasn't that been updated? Also
>respect his pacifism and his connection to the Earth and Fae
You kind of NEED to actively be a good goy to impress werewolves, and not every werewolf pack will me amendable to your existence like that

>>97596851
Not unless you believe yourself to be supernaturally influenced. Presence is extremely subtle, and you would have to be a complete idiot to botch that.

>>97596867
>I see what you're saying, but corpses typically have a certain smell that you should be able to understand if you have superior senses the way Garou do. That being said though, I can't imagine that most Garou would be capable of knowing that particular type of corpse smell that isn't actively decaying unless they have a lot of experience with Kindred, so in practicality you're correct.

actually is mentioned in dark age werewolves as the reason you normally can't fool a garou by going into wolf form because it's still a wolf's corpse so it smells like one so the garou are getting some credit here, but blush of life makes you not a corpse for the duration

depending on the edition you might not even need blush of life at a high enough level of humanity as you become more monstrous as low level and more human like a high level
>>97596867
>Hasn't that been updated?
no, this is the only time these guys show up (beside one offhand mention of the kyasid in another book) and the second quote is from v20

>>97596851
nta, but no it's why the toreador love the in elysium no disciplines are allowed rule so much because both auspex and presence have no obvious cues for anything involved so they get to play with nearly their full hand while everyone else has to learn their game or be at a disadvantage

>>97596851
>Aren't you able to recognize when presence has been used on you? Especially if you're not a normie and have some willpower?
No, because that would make Presence a completely useless discipline. Presence is about swaying people and making them like you more rather than directly controlling them, which would completely worthless if people were aware that they were being supernaturally influenced.
Dominate is the one where people have absolutely no choice about what they do and have to obey commands given, but they can know and feel whatever they like about those commands and the things that they're forced to do.

>>97596869
>>97596891
Fair enough, I'll hand it to you anons. Perhaps rizzing up your own werewolf 50 shades of grey character is doable after all.

>>97596884
I guess it is a bit inconsistent like a lot of things in WoD. You can't just remove the corpse stench like that but hey, magic is magic. I feel like Werewolves get the short of the stick in base form sometimes

>>97596964
you have to remember that unless you are a cappadocian or one of their offshoots a kindred is always going to be recently dead physically like moment of death dead because of the stasis curse so if you start the body again it's mean to be Indistinguishable form a living being that's what the entire power is about

the statis curse in general is why they can just walk around people even without the blush of life unlike risen who do in their best case scenario still smell slightly sweetly of rot even if they us phantos to mimic body functions which they need to hide or have a everyone have a +2 for rolls related to people finding the out

so what we are talking about is something that white wolf was aware of. it just does not apply to most vampires

>>97594566
Kidnap kinfolk/Black Furies that need correction/Silver Fangs that need their Pure Breed diluted, then send them back home with a surprise inside that they won't know is there for a while (and probably won't know where it came from till it's born, if then even you might just get lucky on obvious wyrm taint).

>>97596564
why are wieckfags so easily angered? one contrary opinion and you guys blow up.

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kills your party.

>>97597043
Thinskin WtA fan... Stop thinking about dog dicks, furfag.

>>97597027
>kidnap kinfolk
Just rape them
>black furies that need correction
Just rape them with some fomori bros
>Silver Fangs that need their pure breed diluted
Just rape them
>Metis surprise
Based, I'll concede

i haven't been here for a few days has the vtm to vtr 2e anon posted his 1.1 version yet?

>>97596564
>Banal fuckers
Winter is coming chudling, you lost

>>97596454
IIRC in MtA vampire blood is BOTH statically and entropically resonant.

>>97597106
makes sense, but one has to mention i think that wta wyrm is not 100% mta entropy because the cosmology is different in wta and mta in mage everything wraith, undead and oblivion related is entropy while in wta oblivion is the hidden bigger fish to the wyrm, but like wraiths their forces do not only not ping as wyrm tainted but can in fact not have any trinity related taint at all which causes the funny scenario in the risen book where unlike vampires and werewolves, risen and werewolves just don't care about each other and leave each other be despite risen and their conduit being entropically resonant as shit for a mage

so we can't really say that because something falls into something in the mage metaphysic trinity that does mean that it feels the same for the werewolves

>>97596312
You haven't kept up with the latest conspiracy theories my friend. That entire section looks unintentionally anti-semetic if you know about the current cutting edge of schizo-theories.
WOD being literally "What if conspiracy theories were real: The Setting" should honestly lean into that more. Their biggest failures were from getting away from that core idea.

>>97596588
>weaver stuff in general is sadly heavily underutilized in wta

True, and she still gets more love than the Wyld. The Wyrm being the big threat is all fine and good, but it results in WtA making the Triat feel... not very much like a Triat with how lopsided the attention is. Realistically if doing shit that's broadly in the wyrm's purview can cause wyrm taint, almost everyone should be walking around with a whole ratio of various spiritual taints.

>>97596631
Well to be pedantic, vampires are undead, not dead. They're suspended at the moment of their death, unless they're a poor ass Samedi or to a lesser degree, Cappadocian. More pressing is the fact that while the Weaver might not consider death to be ideal, the bad version of Weaver Victory results in her stasis slowly killing all life, so her having some skin in the game of the undead is plausible to me.

>>97596640
They're also incredibly static creatures whose very blood enslaves the drinker. Their bite sedates and forces submission onto the victim. They struggle against a natural compulsion to dominate, and as they grow older, their hearts grow colder. There's as much if not more weaverish things about them, and I think it'd ultimately be more interesting if more things resonated as something other than Wyrm. As mentioned earlier the triat cover such broad topics that if incidental wyrmshit can taint, then most people should be a smorgasbord of taints.

>>97597081
Not yet, but close. I keep having scope creep pop in as I find a new things to add to the Optional Rules section. If you have any suggestions, I'm open to them.

If you're the guy who wanted the True Faith rules and need them soon, I've got those done and I can drop them as a quick standalone later.

If Fera are "allergic" to Vampire Vitae what is stopping my slightly unhinged Garou from sipping on Vampire essence in his spare time to gain some immunity?

>>97597315
Because like the quotations imply, it isn’t an allergy. It’s like saying a person should sip on sulfuric acid to build up an immunity.

>>97597334
What's stopping me from doing it? It's for the good of Gaia after all, Owl be damned.

>>97597357
in 50 to 200 years the garou nation is going to purge the camp you will create and players will wonder how they could ignore a camp called blood sipper court for that long

>>97595234
>Favorite Court
Seelie (Ojo)
>Favorite House
Fiona
>Favorite Kith
Eshu
>noble/commoner alignment
Commoner 4 life! TOTAL NOBLE DEATH
>setting headcanon
That Thallians can be redeemed. That Boggans are good for their women to be used as communal cum dumpsters.

>>97597372
If your Tribe doesn’t have a “in 50 to 200 years the garou nation is going to purge the camp you will create and players will wonder how they could ignore a camp called [Insert Camp Name] for that long” camp, then are you really even a Tribe?

>>97597390
i mean most tribed in wta had those and purged them during revised

>>97595780
>Considering they have their own book, how would the Street Fighter World Warriors fare in regular WoD?
Have you read Demon Hunter X? Street Fighters would be in the same weight class as the Shih and Revenants. I know the combos could lead to some absolute bullshit but I don't remember enough of the rules to tell how that would happen.

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WWYB Garou from One Punch Man?

>>97595800
>"Two men having sex with each other is less gay than whatever this is."
Straight guys are such faggots and it makes me jealous every day.

>>97597372
The Sippies grant me the power to help my kind, I'm sure the tribe will understand eventually.
>>97597393
Well yes, but they weren't working for a good cause at the time. Meanwhile, my Blood Sipping Heaven Gang will certainly not become addicts to Vampire Vitae and WILL help bomb shoe factories. Ignore the fact that I'm laughing like a maniac and that my eyes are glowing red, the mirror man said something funny.

>>97597473
you mentioned owl so i assume silent strider? just say you guys are eating setites and other vampires to gain resistance to vampiric bullshit with the end goal of being so based that you just get to resist/ignore set's curse

it's a wyrmish recruitment tech the black spiral dancer mention in one of the wyrm books which means that some silent striders are gullible enough for it

>>97597544
>spoiler
Jesus, are these guys just getting bullied by everyone?

>>97597623
Tremere here. I bully silent striders.

>>97597623
>Jesus, are these guys just getting bullied by everyone?

no that's the children of gaya. silent striders are only bullied by most people but not everyone

>>97597763
CoG seem like they have few bullies except for Haight

>>97597623
But are they bullied by mages?

>>97597804
depends how you define bullying: house shaea does not work with them/feel kinship with them because they weren't in egypt for millenia and the other mages even those that know that tribes exist never mention them

but the silent striders are the tribe that claims to have killed the circle of red during the dark ages making them the most accomplished tribe in anti mage warfare! please ignore dagon and azaneal and all their combined minions teaming up on them and enslaving most of their mages as liches leaving the circle with mostly unawakened infernalist assassins and merchants without leadership as the garou seem to not know about that part

>>97597804
All Garou are bullied by Mages anon

>>97597804
I don't know, perhaps we should ask Iteration X or the Progenitors about their stance on werewolfs?

>>97595234
Seelie
House Beaumayn
Pooka
I think we should settle our differences
A resurgence of the Fae is not only possible, but likely. All ideas come from the Dreaming, and through concentrated efforts from the Changelings Glamour can beat Banality.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_bvBM-R38
I think it'd be fun if there were techno vampires, their bodies filled with gears and oil as well as flesh

There should be a discipline to control engines, clockwork, piston, etc. Like Vicissitude but for machines.

>>97598393
>There should be a discipline to control engines, clockwork, piston, etc.
Just ask the Tremere to make a new Path of Technomancy.
That being said, there are probably quite a few rituals for that already.

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>>97598418
>asking the tremere
Yeah right, plus a thaumaturgy path doesn't grant elder level powers

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>>97598474
>not asking the Tremere

>>97598589
Fuck, wrong video. I can't find the right one, so enjoy the dogs.

>>97597214
>They're also incredibly static creatures whose very blood enslaves the drinker. Their bite sedates and forces submission onto the victim. They struggle against a natural compulsion to dominate, and as they grow older, their hearts grow colder.
What gives you the idea that domination and slavery are primarily the domains of the Weaver? When the Weaver seeks to control people, it's through vast institutions and their teachings, through frameworks of dogma and logic and science. If anything, this lust for the personal enslavement of specific individuals falls within the purview of the Eater-of-Souls.
>I think it'd ultimately be more interesting if more things resonated as something other than Wyrm.
It would be, but I think that it's silly to suggest that vampires, the living dead animated by the blood of the first killer who are physiologically and psychologically driven to endlessly consume the blood of others, are more associated with the spirit of stasis than the spirit of death, just because they can enslave people and some of them enjoy enslaving people, which isn't a trait nearly as intrinsic or universal as the Beast.
>As mentioned earlier the triat cover such broad topics that if incidental wyrmshit can taint, then most people should be a smorgasbord of taints.
Vampires older than a century do ping as Weaver tainted, actually. Under 2e rules, detecting such a vampire is base difficulty 9, to be lowered if the vampire is particularly stuck in their old ways or a strong adherent of order, whatever that order may be.
As long as an older-than-a-century vampire has a Humanity of 7 and has control over the intrinsic part of itself that wants to consume all life that it encounters, then it will register as Weaver tainted and not Wyrm tainted. But it's a lot more like that its Humanity is not that high, so it'll likely register as both.

Is seeing auras as a Mage (like the Auspex effect) Mind 1, Spirit 1 or both? The books are very inconsistent.

>>97598593
The Wyrm is associated with Entropy, not death specifically. Important distinction. Especially since, again, vampires are not dead, they're undead. They spit in the face of death as much as they mock life. They should be dead but they are not, they persist. They exist in defiance to the Wyrm's original purpose. The Weaver had her bitchfit because the Wyrm was doing his job, completing the cycle and destroying her creations. Vampires fit that mold quite well. Of course, vampires have free will, which means they won't be as lock-step with any triat member as say, Drones or Fomori are. On your point concerning the Eater of Souls, as a representation of the Triatic Wyrm, is specifically the Wyrm trying to eat the Weaver's Lunch.

I don't get why you're saying blood drinking would be inherently Wyrmish either, especially when the Weaver's shifters, the Ananasi, are blood-drinking and manipulative. They all but match the stereotype of how vampires operate, and they're basically weird half-vampire half-fera things on a template level. Which brings me back to my original point of IF a vampire should ping as any triat shit, and there's a good argument that they shouldn't at all, I'd say Weaver should be the default. Not a universal thing at all, but I think it's a much better baseline than anyone sub-7 humanity being always wyrm tainted all the time. I think that rule is an unwieldy hold-over from the original Lupine premise of "step out of the city and a dozen werewolves will blend you get railroaded idiot".

I don't think I'll convince you of my position, and I can tell you I'm not convinced by your arguments, so let's not keep doing this until page 10.

>>97598393
Technically, there's an easy lore justification for any weird, myopic gimmick bloodline you want. Caitiff. The Caitiff section of the shared "outcast" book for oWoD expands upon the idea that Caitiff, under rare circumstances, can create their own disciplines. While even rarer, these Caitiff could even end up starting their own tiny bloodlines. So you don't need to radically change the setting's status quo, but you could also have a tiny bloodline of like, six vampires with a discipline that lets them integrate machinery into their bodies.

>>97598648
Either. Hell, could even be a Prime 1 effect. You have to understand, having a supernatural awareness of anything related to a Sphere is covered at 1 dot.
>Forces 1: X-Ray vision, infrared vision
>Matter 1: Chemical composition, internal 3D mapping
>Time 1: Perfect time sense
So reading an aura depends entirely how your Mage goes about. Does he complete an hours long ritual to create a talisman that reveals the aura of others while in his possession? Does he mediate briefly to reveal the ki of those around him? Does he remember the mathematic formula that will adjust his vision to perceive the subtle frequencies that is emanated by each supernatural being?

>>97598675
I remember posting about just that here a while back
Technomorphosis

>>97598661
Alright, you can have the last word there, since we fundamentally disagree over the very basics of Werewolf's cosmology. The only point that I'll make is that the Anansi are Ananasa's creations, made specifically to bring balance to the Triat, and it's the Wyrm aspect Ananasi, the Hatar, who have gifts that revolve around the manipulation of blood, which should say something about which member of the Triat the blood-drinking is probably tied to.

Instead, I'll compile a list of features that would probably make a vampire as Weaver-tainted as possible, according to the 2e rules.
>Over a century old.
This is the prerequisite.
>Tremere.
The Pyramid is an extremely rigid hierarchy and a vampire who accepts their place in it and acts according to it without deviation is probably more Weaver-aligned.
>Follows a Path of Enlightenment.
Though Paths of Enlightenment aren't common among the Tremere at all, they are very rigid codes of conduct and a vampire who is able to live according to a more civilised Path that doesn't swap Self-Control for Instinct is probably going to be more Weaver-aligned.
>Old-fashioned.
The vampire needs to be stuck in the past, unwilling to change or adapt. This isn't entirely a bad thing, since old wisdom can still be useful in modern situations.
>Orderly mindset.
A vampire who was a priest who genuinely still clings to their faith, or a philosopher during the Enlightenment who still clings to their principles, has the sort of mindset that the Weaver favours.

Combining all of those traits, I'd say you'd get a vampire who would ping as Weaver tainted on a difficulty 5 Perception + Science roll, using the Sense Weaver Gift.

>>97598693
Prime 1 lets you detect quint inside people so you could tell apart supernaturals based on how much quintessence they have in combination with the resonance. Reading emotions with it is a bit of a stretch, but doable if there's enough resonance to go off of.

>>97596262
what book is prosecution immunity from?
the font look like Mage 2nd edition?

>folklore Changelings are fey that take the place of humans
>WoD/CofD Changelings are humans that are taken by fey
How would you resolve this without too much retconning? It's the biggest hurdle for me getting into Changeling.

>>97598840
I resolve it by not considering them fey at all and ignoring the myths. They're basically just aliens in human bodies or imagination parasites (owod changelings).

>>97598840
>WoD/CofD Changelings are humans that are taken by fey
Wrong. That’s just CofD Changelings. Lost is the one where a human is taken by the Fae.
In Dreaming, you become a Changeling by “remembering” your Fae nature. It’s akin to Avatar: The Last Airbender, if you’ve ever seen that cartoon. The immortal Fae soul, your Kith, being your Avatar spirit. And your PC being the current Changeling incarnation of that particular soul.

>>97598840
Accept that the World of Darkness is about humans who have been changed into something else wrestling with their new condition in a dark reflection of our world, and stop fixating on traditional definitions.

>>97598840
oWoD Changeling was about fairy otherkin, nWoD Changeling had to keep the name. Lost is your "people taken by the Fae" game. The folkloric Changeling doppelgangers in Lost are called Fetches. If it bugs you that much you could call fetches changelings and the changelings themselves just go by "The Lost", or another epithet.

I'd suggest reading some of the old 1e Lost books, they're really a great read and they really capture the "dark fairy tale" vibe. Might help you overcome your mental block on the term inaccuracy though I gotta be honest with you if you came for folklore accurate stuff you're mostly in the wrong place. nWoD is generally better about being folklore accurate than oWoD, but that's a very low bar to clear and even it isn't going to be the most accurate.

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>>97598896
>fairy otherkin
It was a different time.

>>97598840
CofD Changeling doesn't have anything to do with fey at all, it's just an abuse victim simulator with fairytale paint.