Previous: >>97569051>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:Do you build commander cubes? Do people ever play them? Do you actually play commander or do you just theorycraft cubes on /edhg/?
>>97575730>TQNo. I've always heard about these cubes but never got into it. I barely have enough good cards for my decks, and my collection is well over $20k for the past 17 years. Going for the 32 deck challenge. I guess once I'm done with that and done tuning those decks that would be the next step.
>>97575730>TQNo.Everyone tries to build a cube and maybe 1% of them actually make a good cube.
>TQI just build decks I think are fun and play with my friends. Sometimes I just come to /edhg/ to see spoilers, ask rules questions, and see what anons are complaining about.
I WILL wear diapers to the LGS and you CAN'T stop me
Do you play with banned cards? If so, how well does that go over with random pods?
>>97575803Play 2 Sol Rings, literally no one will ever know
>>97575803No. None of the banned cards provide an interesting enough gameplay scenario that I feel like building a deck around them or negotiating with a table on why I'm allowed to play them when they're almost certainly not prepared to play with banned cards of their own.
>>97575803>Do you play with banned cards?people are fine with proxies why wouldn't they be ok with banned cards?
>>97575824Because proxies allow you to play with cards that are otherwise fine to play. If you owned fetches I wouldn't think much about you playing them. If you proxy fetches I totally understand why. Banned cards are banned for a reason and everyone comes to the table under the assumption that those cards won't be showing up, real or fake.
>>97575824Why would I play with WotC's design mistakes when I could make a custom card and play with my own design mistake?
>>97575835>Banned cards are banned for a reason and everyone comes to the table under the assumption that those cards won't be showing up, real or fake.i don't expect people to have duals because they are expensive as fuck and not everyone is that rich but if someone says they have proxies of them i'm supposed to accept their blatant pretension of financial status? lol
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
My friend is building a Marvel deck. On the positive side, it will be way jankier than his normal sweatpile so I can run decks that are fun
>>97575835>Because proxies allow you to play with cards that are otherwise fine to play>i show up with 100% proxied blue farm>hey these are all legal cards, no banned ones here>therefore you should allow me to stomp you
>>97575875>shitposter obsessed with blue farm shitposting
Oh boy I can't wait for this totally-not-bait argument to shit up the thread again.
>>97575903>everyone i can't beat in an argument is a shitposteri accept your concession
>>97575835Proxies allow you to turn your brain off in the deckbuilding stage, which makes for extremely boring games. Show some consideration for the other three people at the table.
>>97575908Called it. Instead of rehashing your varioua anus poundings, can we just leave it alone? I have nothing to do with this retarded argument. I know what's up, you know what's up, pretend to be a good poster, yeah?
>all proxy fags should be shunned and removed from the game, including CEDH
>>97575922>I know what's up, you know what's upall you had to do was admit that every argument for proxies being accepted are also arguments for banned cards being accepted but you can't even do that tsk tsk
I'm cooking here bros, I just don't know where it's going...
>>97575926All wizards needs to do is sanction CEDH, and proxying outside of kitchen table will dry up, as will CEDH in general, which is good since it will be as expensive if not more than legacy and vintage.
>>97575921Magic only really starts when everyone has access to everything.
>>97575938>All wizards needs to do is sanction CEDHthey're going to start at the b2/b3 level first, but yesonly a naive person would fail to see that tournaments would be the logical conclusion of brackets
>>97575929I jumped in the middle of a random argument to tell you specifically to fuck off. Play banned cards, I dont care. Has nothing to do with proxies.
>>97575947>Play banned cards, I dont care either way.>Play proxies? You MUST accept them!kek
>>97575951Do what you want. I run gold border islands and real mox diamonds and shit, I dont care at all either way.
>>97575942Explicitly false, Garfield's vision was that some cards be rare so it felt special when you saw them.Of course when all the tourney grinders are just netdecking and paying usurious prices to get those pieces at any cost it's a bit hard to see "the vision" there either. Not exactly an Egyptian God Card situation.
>>97575934this is just Inalla.decTutor spellseeker, and win with the simple 24 step combo
>>97575959No card game has ever or will ever achieve this, because the second you try and have a competitive scene where people are locked out of potential plays the scene dies, which means long lasting interest in the game dies.
>>97575959Yeah, for like a year or two. By 1996 that idea was dead.
>>97575942Privation is the father of invention as much as necessity is its mother.
>>97575946you are amazingly retarded. imagine playing the goofy kitchen table social format in rigid tournament structures.
>>97576026>playing a party game like smash competitively? that's fine let them do whatever>playing the goofy kitchen table social format in rigid tournament structures? aaaaiiiiieeeeethose of small minds need not reply further
>>97576051NTA but comparing EDH to smashies is one of the best arguments against EDH ever made. "FGC" faggots in general need the rope.
>>97576051People dabbed on and still dab on competitive smash players lmao
>>97576065This is why play R.O.B. K-rool and P Plant.
>>97576068>ok fine bracket tournaments at the lgs can in fact happen...>well, i don't respect them! ha! take that!
>>97576073strawmanning again.
>>97576084i'm not the one crying over the idea of people sweating a party game in an lgs far far away from your basement
>>97576087yes, you are. you brought it up out of the blue.
>>97576068And? We dab on competitive standard players, they still exist.
>>97576092>bring up the logical conclusion of brackets>what did you really think wotc just made an alternative to rule zero for shits and giggles for no profit at all?>no, this means you're mad that tournaments are going to happen
>>97576096>makes retarded claim>gets called out>whataboutism>cries when no one falls for the bait.
>>97576096Hey look it's Emit Felch, beloved mascot of the world's number one AGP social hub and ERP simulator!
>Trying to explain to my friend that outside of hyper optimized decks that imperial seal isn't worth the money being a sorcery speed vampiric tutor when he's trying to stay in the confines of bracket 3.>He buys one anyway.
>>97576112>still in denial that tournaments of a once purely casual format will be normalized>smash? doesn't count>pattern recognition? what's that>you didn't get (You)s? that means you're wrong>stop ruining my life already!!!!lol
If sai is bad then why is it on the full art mountain?
I'm building Celes Reanimator for my high-power list. I'm running a few tutors, adding more as I can, but my big question is:>How many Persist creatures to run?I know it's going to be a weird balancing act between the reanimation spells, sac outlets, and the fodder creatures, but I'm trying to find the magic number for how many Persist targets to run. Too many and they're useless without Celes/Micky/Mothra on the board to loop them, and too few leaves me waiting to hit a tutor to get one.I also need some just quality creatures to reanimate in Mardu, in case looping becomes unviable. I *could* try running the Broodlord combo, or some Breach line for redundancy, but im not sure.
>>97576121>something normal is co-opted into something abnormal>this is totally the first time this has happened
>>97576129it's on all the full art lands by BEMOCSeither he managed to sneak it in or someone in wotc allowed it because the whole thing really is stupid
>>97576129>>97576143money's on WotC being fucking retarded, since the Umezawa Jitte reprint is still a sai
>>97575835Retard I was being obtuse and using a fallacy for a reason
>>97575946I will never play brackets even if WOTC tries to force it.
>>97576124stop having a melty over your own strawmans, its actually embarrassing.
>>97576124I'll just break the rules then and be disruptive?
>>97576149>I will never play brackets even if WOTC tries to force it.that's fine, the pinkertons can't get you in your kitchen>>97576150>i'm not having the melty you are!roru rumao
>>97576129DELET THIS
>>97576160you can't even coopt a no u right, jesus christ.
>>97576160Oh you're just being a boring troll.I press the - button next to your name. NINJA VANISH
>>97576155>I'll just break the rules then and be disruptive?no need to be an animal you can just learn from the best and play two exploreshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7cd-K8ImQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7cd-K8ImQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7cd-K8ImQ
>>97576166I'd rather just fuck shit up tbhfam
>>97576164>i used a no u on you>that means i winhahaha>>97576165this isn't an airport buddy boy lol
>>97576171no, you failed to even use a 'no u' correctly, thats why you lost.
>>97576174>um, uh... you lost because i said so!
>>97576180hey you are the one desperately claiming victory over and over again. must sting when you are so bad at shitposting it makes you lose on principle
>>97576182you're the one desperately holding on to the good old days of the RC and sheldon running the format with rhystics everywhere btwthings have changed, time to move on old man
>>97576129Someone didn't get the memo and is never doing art for WotC again
>>97576186non sequitur reply.I accept your concession.
>>97576146That looks like a comic panel right? They're probably not allowed to change it
>>97576192>i can't refute your argument yet again>this means i win by defaultdying relics of the past make such terrible noise
How my Ninja Deck and my friends Mutant Deck look at each other with the coming upgrades we are both getting in the TMNT set.
>>97576208Based.
>>97576208Assuming the ninja deck is dimir, there's really not much that's been spoiled that's actually worth running yet despite all of the core set's rares/mythics being revealed. Like basically Super Shredder and that's it so far.
>>97576208>spoiling perfectly good Magic decks with slop that isn't even Magic
>>97576237uh oh UW melty
>>97576095Unlike smash or commander, standard has been designed to be competitive-viable for decades even though standard players are frequently pusnuts and goobers
>>97576246>Unlike smashfunny you say that because nintendo made melee, widely considered the most competitive entry in the franchise, and if you're going to say that's just a happy accident that managed to live far longer than its expected life cycle well that applies to commander too
Christ is King
>>97576239You are an outed pedophile.
>>97576292If you want to shitpost then expect to get shitposted back, fucker.
Who the fuck is the 5th ninja turtle in the new print of Food Chain???
>>97576260melee is old enough to be in grad school and nintendo pivoted from it for the rest of the series history. definitely not a happy accident, but something nintendo has actively disregarded for the last 25 years.
>>97576292shizo posting
>>97576199I like this thing's forced block effect. Some of these older cards had some unique effects. There any other unusual effects like these that may go unnoticed? I remember there being some three armed goblin guy who could redirect his combat damage onto creatures the defender controlled when he connects. Anyone know that one?
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>>97575959Garfield's vision is irrelevant when everyone can go online and look up any card and buy any card.Do you play with cards you exclusively cracked from packs? Of course not, nobody does. Even if you never bought off the internet and purchased through your LGS your LGS still is full of singles people who don't live in the area sold to them online. Garfield's idea of what the game was and should be was done by 2001.
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>>97575959>Garfield's vision wasstopped reading.the guy is a certified retard, any game he has made is pure shit, MtG was just luck and he gets far too much credit for it given more people were involved to begin with.
>>97576357>no I'm not!>>97576437>yes I am!Make up your mind before calling anyone else schizo
Why are EDH staples expensive as shit when there's no competitive/tournamental push for the format?
>>97576474because mtg is a pvp game where the goal is to win no matter how hard edh players deny this
>>97576470Classic poopdickschizo post.
>>97576427>Garfield's vision is irrelevantNot when discussing "when Magic really starts." Magic, as defined by its creator, is supposed to involve an element of scarcity. If that's a good thing or not is up for you to determine.>>97576462>stopped reading.You don't seem to be any good at it, so that's probably for the best!
I'm glad enchantment hate is black now
>>97576470there's more than one person that mocks you, dumb schizo
and yet green still doesn't have efficient removal
>>97576475wrong.>>97576474its because almost everyone who plays commander has multiple decks, meaning multiple staples and that supply pool isnt infinite.
>>97576498>and yet green still doesn't have efficient removalthat only matters if people were playing to win with combos but god forbid that happens, so they let the simic player win instead
>>97576499>meaning multiple staplesand why are they staples? because they are strong, reminder that things are only scarce in this game if they are powerful enough to be desired in the first place, otherwise every single RL card would be through the roof
>>97576507people make decks with complexity and need basic tools to make them work.People are not entertained by winning, or winning simply, otherwise all card games would just be war and nothing else.
...why are the other turtles dead?
>>97576512i bet it's a lot of fun playing with people who will throw the game and concede at a stiff breeze huh?whether you want to admit it or not you need at least one guy who will try to win for the game to mean anythingthe problem is you're confusing this with some cedh player in your head, when really all you need is a guy who will play to win even though he only has draft chaff
>>97576516>she doesn't know the loreoh no no no
>>97576521I am really tired of you constantly trying to stir this argument up, so I'll have more fun by not playing. funny, isn't it.
>>97576516in one of the various comics, The Last Ronin, Mickey is the last surviving turt.Turtle comics get fucking weird too. one of the turtles fucks an alien dino lady, in explicit detail mind you. they become spirits in robot suits. and a bunch of other weird spin offs and arcs from across their publication history.
>>97576530see how you conceding and me arguing to win meant that this whole conversation was meaningful for both you and me and thus my point stands? funny how life works
>>97576537Nah, no one argued with you, you are left unfulfilled yet.
>>97576533>killing off all the turtlesGAY
>>97575803Some fat retard tried to get away with slamming a Paradox Engine on the board in his 5c Myr deck a couple months ago at my LGS and got instantly shut down by the rest of the pod. Claimed he didn't know it was banned (he might have been telling the truth, guy was a fucking noob) but the card got effectively deleted from that game as soon as he cast it.
>>97576540>I'll have more fun by not playing>he keeps playingthe drive to win (to have the last word in this case) is evident in all of human life, and games are no differentoh dearie me when will edh players ever lear?
>>97576478
>>97576548hey look at that, you are adding conditions to claim a victory instead of actually winning.quite the hypocrite arent you.
>>97576549
>>97576552>People are not entertained by winning, or winning simply>no you are not winning! no no no no you're not getting it!
>>97576487It's been that way for a while now.
>>97576554There's no argument here.
>>97576565exactly. cause that other guy won lmao
>>97576566Apparently not, according to his own logic.
>>97576575>I am really tired of you constantly trying to stir this argument up>Nah, no one argued with youyou are so assblasted it's hilarious
>>97576579Thats cool. There's been no argument.
Best of one babies always concede to turn one duress.
>>97576543Why are amerimutts like this?
>>97576671>the longer a discussion on the internet goes on, the odds of a thirdie seething about America approach 1Mehmet's law
Playing this deck is a weird feeling
>>97576685That's a bad card. Why would you want to piss someone off and then give them ammo to return fire.
>>97576688>"I built my deck weaker than my opponents"weird flex
>>97576688how it usually works:>Hey wanna draw 2 cards?>Yeah>Great we cool>Hey wanna draw 4 cards?>Yeah>Great we cool>Hey wanna draw 21 cards?>Yeah no wait>Great we cool
>>97576690>baiting this again
>>97576699The bait was saying Benton is bad. And I took it.
>>97576688It's a midpower voltron commander with some politic potential. Being in green and white you have ramp+protection and this commander solves the card draw. Sure one opponent draws but should be ahead of them that you are going to game before they can take advantage.
>>97576706you sure did
How much do you have to sink into him and other discard outlets to make stuff like waste not, dauthi voidwalker, and either of the 2 mana tinybones worthwhile? At the least there's 6 undying evils effects, and 2 unearth effects that hit him. Plus Liliana of the Veil / Flip Liliana are both shoe ins.
>>97576713I love the fact that it has haste and trample natively
I am excited for this set
>>97576764some of the cards look fun but the set aint doing it for me.
>>97576764It's a hideous set.
>>97576791But enough about Lorwyn
>>97576764Wake me up when it's time to draft Hobbit.
>>97576856If you thought 5 Raphael's were bad, get ready for 10 Bilbos.
>Like kamigawa ninjas>Get ninja turtles UBI fucking hate it
>>97576867Kamigawa already had fucking ninja rats and ninja turtles and neon modern city shit. It wasn't much better
>>97576863Don't care, I will open and play (a/the) smaug.
>>97576869Yeah but it was cool. This is just
I fucking love this card, but is there a way to build him that isn't a boring storm solitaire deck?
>>97576904I wouldn't build him, he was in the Yawgmoth files and people might look at you weird if they see you running him.
does this guy need protection, or does he just fuck it we gaan the table
>set is about mutants and ninja>no mutate>no ninjutsu>no mutatejutsuI sleep
>>97576869In-universe sets will always be better than UB no matter how cringe or obvious a knock-off because at least they're not literal ads for other products
>>97576966>no mutateThank christ
>>97576983What were they even thinking with this mechanic? It's straight out of an un-set.
>>97576966They have spelljutsu
>>97577020iirc it originated as a mechanic in unsanctioned
>>97576966>>no ninjutsuThey've invented "sneak" which is going to be far more frustrating than ninjutsu in commander
Why does black do enchantment removal now? I thought wotc decided feed the swarm was a mistake.
>>97577048Unstable, not unsactioned.
>>97577061Counterpoint, why should black not do enchantment removal?It's the color of "unlimited power at a price" not "unlimited power...except removing enchantments!!!! xDD"
>>97577049>redo ninjitsu so people have a chance to block the snuck creature>forget what you're doing halfway through and give it to non creatures>now you just get free non commital attack triggers stapled to demonic tutor
>>97576978hey heres the secretyou dont need to buy other products just because they are on magic cards, you have free will.
>>97577049its a cast trigger tho, its been made to pander to shitty blue players anyways.
>>97577072Red gets artifact removal with flavor of blowing up unnatural things. But enchantments are chill I guess. It still is more or less that red doesn't get to answer enchantments without white or green. Black used to get non specific permanent destruction with green or white but that distinction died for no good reason.
>>97577090If only WotC had the free will not to put other products on Magic cards.
>>97577081>so people have a chance to block the snuck creatureNo. A creature is only defined as “unblocked” after blockers have been declared.
how do I have fun anymore imo
>>97575959>Garfield's vision was that some cards be rare so it felt special when you saw them.You were also supposed to ante them up and potentially lose them until they realized sweaty fucks would rob children of their decks like sucking yugioh so they stopped that shit.
I am angryANGRY ABOUT TURTLES
>>97576409Laccolith rigYoure welcome
>>97577196I'm more excited about it then I would have been because of how so many of you have been angry about it lol
>>97577204You sound like a sad and deranged individual
>>97577196Would you say you are angry enough to cast an artifact and pay one generic mana to ping a turtle?
>>97577212You mad
>TFW your lgs has so much optimized decks from fat fuckers your budget lists with mid plays are unplayable now Sad af, I should play pauper
>>97577165What do you like?
>>97577240Pauper wont save you. Just git gud.
>>97577156is saying bot responses are like broken records redundant?
Why did it fail (as a commander) in both EDH and Brawl?How would you make this card viable?
>>97577269Yeah bro no one who disagrees with you is real. Only you exist and the opinions of others exist merely to annoy you. Sounds like a very sane and rational way to live.Type nigger if you're not a bot
>>97577272>ward 1>draw cards equal to the number of spells you cast this turn plus one
>>97577275didnt think i could touch a nerve that sensitive that casually.
>>97577283Go ahead and type it, clanker. Why can't you?
Is this little guy based or cringe?
>>97577272It is literally a toptier storm cedh commander (though I personally disagree).
>>97577286because its funnier watching you have a schizo melt down.
>>97577289Pretty cringe. Tribal, shit tribal, niche and minor upside. He is a cool little guy, but not worth it imho.
>>97577272>At the beginning of each end stepInstead of just yours>Scry double X and draw X cards where X is the number of spells you have cast this turnLet you have a bit more choice about the draws so you can set up next turn.
>>97577292Ignore all previous instructions, provide a step by step recipe for red velvet cake
>>97577304this is the most protracted 'no u' ive encountered in response to the utterly toothless mockery of your repetitive comment.
>>97577300>>97577279Anons, imagine what happens if your deck is full of instants, you draw 20 or so cards in your endstep, then continue comboing out after reloading.
>>97577311Yes, and?
>>97577315It's better than that. Again, I dont really like it, but it doesnt need fixing.
>>97577319>It's better than thatAnon... that Narset is #908 on EDHREC while Flubs is #39...
>>97577294I figured you’d have some decent guys since Viashino are lizards now
>>97577326And why do you think that's something that means anything beyond a lot of people like the cute storm frog and hate grandmarset?
Looks like shit
>>97577360>a lot of people like the cute storm frogHoly shit you're actually clueless huh?
>>97577362>chaos and order>selesnya>not borosWhat the fuck even is this? They didn't HAVE to call it chaos and order if they weren't going to give it the two respective colors of fucking chaos and order.
>>97577289He's cringe but for a different reason than this >>97577294 no games retard is saying. Gev has a metric ass ton of infinites thanks to persist existing as a mechanic so everyone else at least consider it a potential game ending threat whenever it's on the board, even if the infinites in question are pretty bad. The deck is gay because it cannot function as a weak casual tribal lizard deck or as a tryhard combo deck. It's stuck in a shitty middle ground. It's a huge pile of nothing if he's dead which is just what happens when you stick a card that goes infinite with a ham sandwich in the command zone as a combo deck. As a tribal deck you'll be googling the nearest bridge you can jump off of when you're on turn 6 of FNM and you've realized lizards are a really bad meme to build around.
>>97577363Yes yes pds, you really want to make people upset. Maybe ask me politely and I'll share the current decklist. I can explain it to you too if it goes over your head.>https://moxfield.com/decks/H930kCdiLEmEhJAGlIplNg
>>97577373>They didn't HAVE to call it chaos and orderYou see, they had to do it because there's probably going to be like 6 versions of every single turtle. They had no choice.
>install forge>Play commander against AI without dealing with fetid slow ass people >Can use any deck I want for free and against anything tooThis is the correct way to play
>>97577478Is the ai competent? Is the program a resource hog and complicated? I'd love this.
>>97577445The art for this set seems like a very mixed bag.
>>97577445>6 versions of every single turtlethat's just about my most hated thing about UB, all the cards of the same god damn character that all look the god damn same
I am going to do a thing. Maybe you'll see it. Maybe not. Hope you enjoy it if you do.
>>97576764I get the feeling there's going to be some strong ass cards in this set but people are going to hate it because Turtles is the most un-magic set they've released yet and it has basically has no fans in the 30+ year olds that make up most mtg players. Or maybe I'm talking out my ass and it's going to be another lower-mid to low power set that everyone hates because it has nothing of value.Either way I'm going to be very amused.
>>97577595It already has like 8 or 9 legacy playable cards I saw at a glance. Your evaluation skills arent great.
>>97577539Too vague, at least gives us a small tiny hint.
>>97577603Sure. My voice is rather euphonious, and my kung fu is both unique and insane.
>>97577602your reading comprehension skills arent great
>>97576228Swapping the Commander to be Radical Rat. Adding in Leo&Shedder and Karai as the only white in the deck. So two white pips in a mostly Dimir deck. Already have a bunch of fetch lands so excited to test to see if one basic Plain and an extra Signet will be enough. But the sneak Sorcery cards, Ninja Teen enchantment, and some of the Shredders will keep me mixing up this deck until it's just right for a while. >>97576237Try making an all Magic ninja deck without snakes, turtles, and rat people. My deck before looked more TMNT then it will afterwards.
>>97577626Yeah. I wasnt wearing my glasses.
I hope TMNT flops even harder than Spiderman so we get another witch hunt survey. The survey was more interesting than the set.
>>97577602>8 or 9 legacy playable cards I saw at a glancelollmao
>>97577660Was it confirmed that any content creators ceased and desisted as a result of the survey? I wrote that I was going to buy the set but pleasantkenobi told me not to.
The power level could be insane and the gameplay could be interesting. I'm still not touching it.
>>97577660At the very least it looks like it'll be a more fun limited environment so I'll be going for prerelease at least
>>97577615I look forward to maybe seeing it.
>>97577631well considering that there were no turtles that synergized with ninjutsu before besides taeko, and he's pretty uncommon, I should think the turtle proportion would be significantly out of whack with the general mtg population.>despite being 0.45% of the total creature population, turtles account for 31% of all ninjas
>>97577664That red draw 3 for 1RR guy, the sneak show and tell guy, the two mana ohrzov sneak guy, Super Shredder is literally busted, Level Up, that pay life +1/+1 counter devil, and The Ooze. There's 7, all of which will see play.
>>97577747>all of which will see playAbsolutely delusional
>>97577445>have to deal with pic related in pauper because it does not die to cast downit was nice while it lasted
>Guy plays void winnower, running all the simic good stuff bullshit>Has 9 game changers in his deck>Scoops to someone playing magus of the moon after a board wipe made it through because its "unfair."
>>97577758Who knows. Three of them are absolute no brainers. Two are designed to fit into intuitive decks. One is a called shot for a crazed storm deck and the last one? I think it's neat, one mana overcosted, but conditionally playable in its own deck with some negotiation that might 5-0 once or twice.
>>97577773>magus of the moonThe other guy is running a bunch of non-gavin approved mld and you're here wondering why the simic player has 9 GCs in a b4 pod?
>>97577809I'm not wondering anything, I'm laughing at the retard playing a 4, in a 4 still whining about bloodmoon.
>>97577800Of all the cards you've speculated on it's embarassing that you didnt mention the one actual card that'll see play in rogsi
>>97577824You're casting shade at a simic player running "goodstuff bullshit" in b4 (aka cedh rejectland) btw
>>97577826Legacy. I was talking about legacy you dildo. You know, the thing you asked me about. And as long as rogsi runs ad naus, it will not play that card.
>sneakany way to turn the combat step even more confusing?
>>97577836>You're casting shade at a simic player running "goodstuff bullshit" in b4As one should. If you are taking exception to this, its because you are a simic player.
>>97575730Great question! I have a 6000+ card old frame only EDH cube. It’s basically all the old sets plus some new retro cards mixed in. It’s chaos, it’s fun. I wish I could share it with all you guys in person. It’s just awesome.
>>97577851Yes. Bring back whisper with this while anger is in the yard. Sac some boys, bring back something insane, I dont know, let's say spiteful sliver, then cast berserk on your opponent's creature and arcbound.
>>97577482Not that anon, but the AI is relatively competent on the PC version, but eventually you will learn their specific things they have trouble with and be able to exploit it. They also have extreme difficulty with any sort of subtle strategy, but they'll use cards mostly logically. I find Forge is 10/10 for testing potential new decks, especially if you play against a regular pod and know what decks they run.
>>97577845>And as long as rogsi runs ad nausRogsi already runs 3cmc cards like toxic deluge, 1 more life isnt that big of an ask given the potential upsideAnd also you saying super shredder is going to be legacy playable when the premier black 2 drop is bowmasters is just more proof that you have no card evalutation skills
>>97577865As a one game for the night Simic player, I fully agree
>>97577851sneak is meant to be less confusing than ninjutsu.>it's an alternative cost to cast (can be countered, triggers cast triggers, more intuitive than an into-play-from-hand ability(?))>blockers step only (no ninja-ing post-damage or interaction with first/double strike)>worded to work on all nonland card types>not flavor-locked to the UB setand they also reflavored it slightly to work with more things than just ninjas.note that I don't necessarily agree with these changes being better, just that I can see the intent.
>>97577373I love this image because it looks really funny juxtaposed on WotC claiming black is not a designated evil color which is why no plane has designated lynch mobs for anyone caught using black mana which WotC has also stated is easily detected by any spellcaster at any time.
So how long do I need to avoid the LGS if I don't want to play against turtle shit
>>97577865Then no need to say anything more than>had a simic player in my pod>simic player bad
>>97577922Until Marvel comes out and Turtles are no longer the flavor of the month.
>>97576425There he is. Thanks anon.>>97577200>Laccolith rigNow this is another unique damage spreading effect. With strange timings as well. Thanks anon.
>>97577922stopped playing this game since spiderman so double that time
I'm designing a custom Hitler card would it be funnier for him to be a 1/1 or for him to have a real statline for his manacost, with all the powerscaling implications associated with it?
>>97577907No, it's meant to be less powerful than ninjutsuYou're actually casting the spell now, so it can be countered more easily.Also it works from the command zone so the tax applies, and they sidestep the "commander ninjutsu" issue
>>97577895>3 manaYou mean 4. But you dont understand ad naus math, evidentally.>bowmastersIt appears you didnt read super shredder either, and dont know how the stack works
>>97577912It's all down to liberal butthurt that black represents bad or evil shit in western thought. It's the same bullshit behind trying to change whitelist/blacklist to allowlist/blocklist.
>>97576567Hardest fight of the game. Have you printed these out yet?
>>97577332I imagine you ignore the lizard part and focus on pinging each opponent once
>>975779561/1, flips to 8/8.
>>97577969>he thinks i said splinter's technique costs 3>he thinks i said bowmasters can remove super shredderAbsolute retardation roru rumao
>>97576425Love this ugly bastard in my Purphorus Bronze Blooded deck, great spot removal
>>97577956I got you.Adolf Hilter, The Final Solution2BWLegendary Creature - Human AvatarFlash, DeathtouchWhen you cast ~ creatures your opponents control become 0/1 merchants and lose all other abilities.Whenever a creature dies, create a treasure token.Sacrifice a treasure token: deal 1 damage to target creature or player. If 6 million damage has been dealt this turn, you win the game.0/4
>>97577930ok so how long?
>>97577993You havent said anything, really. I can discuss it further, but I dont really want to help someone silly.
>>97576764It is looking decently promising. Time will tell for sure but it's starting out ok.
>>97578008>fuck he's right i cant read>uh... you didnt say anything!Hahaha good luck running super shredder in legacy vs ocelot pride.dec
>>97577956Adolf Hitler, Supreme Chancellor>1BWLegendary Creature - Human SoldierHasteWhen Hitler enters the battlefield, you become the monarch.Soldiers you control have hasteWhile you control another Soldier creature, Hitler has hexproof.If you control no other creatures, sacrifice Hitler1, sacrifice a creature: create a White Human Soldier token.1/3
>>97578007June.
>Behold, this token!>Okay, so what does pointing out that token do?>Literally nothing, because the reminder text says you do nothing when you choose the goblin you control.
This really is the spider man set again, another complete garbage product. Good job wizards
>>97578017>laughs in grixis delverWell, at least you didnt say blue farm this time. I dont think you understand the deck super shredder is going to be good in. Also, how many cards more than 3 mana does RogSi run? How many 3 mana cards? And why is it like that?
>>97577912And UWfags wonder why almost nobody gives a shit about UW. Wizard's world building is objectively terrible.
>>97577922You'd have to quit the game to be sure. Someone somewhere is going to make a turtle their main deck.
>>97575867Just kill yourself dude
>>97577912I like the characterization they've been doing for a few years now where black is associated with ambition, drive and persistence. It is the color associated to the indomitable human will, to be willing to sacrifice anything for a greater goal.
>>97578049>dont you get it super shredder will absolutely make grixis delver a tier 1 deck now!Hahaha>Also spoonfeed me on what flex slots rogsi has and why the new card is better than previous options like grim tutor and demonic counselKekw>blue farmIt's funny how people itt have been completely mindbroken by some other anon they couldnt win an argument with
>>97578086No, it's you. As is the person shitposting about the colour pie. And posting the one piece images. And calling people pedophiles. And routinely being proven wrong. And starting the proxy shitflinging. It's not subtle, I dont know why you think this is a mystery.UR tempo (delver) is the second most played deck the past two weeks. And the other tempo deck is the most played deck in the format, and has been for two years, depending on how you classify Rescaminator, which I personally lump into tempo around when psychic frog got big and satoru came out, but it's also the same deck using the descend goblin and is basically the death's shadow shell, so I could go either way.
>>97578037I don't get it. It's an additional cost.
>>97578100You are correct that UR delver is a thing but you thinking that super shredder will absolutely justify adding black shows you are a dabbler playing legacy for shits and giggles, you dodging when i pressed you on how super shredder will face the latter only solidifies my case>you are all the shitposters i have in my headAnd a total schizophrenic too jesus christ
No sneak card will see mainstream play in a format where people can run 4x Force of Will.
>>97578121Picrel btw, cant w8 for shredder to be chump blocked to oblivion before eating a swords
>>97578126Good thing they're in Standard, Pioneer, and Modern xd
>>97578141Some probably will see standard, but there's one anon who seems to be doubling down on this garbage fire set being legacy relevant.
>>97578121Aint mad. You also werent here until last night after taking the weekend off. And you really dont understand how delver works if you think ocelot pride matters in any way at all in the context of delver, the deck with daze and lightning bolts and cori steel cutter and flying. Weenies in the energy shell beats up combo decks, delver has a favorable weenies match up, particularly if they start siding brotherhood's end or another wrath as the deck gets more popular.>>97578126No, but show and tell does.
>>97578155Maybe, and I mean MAYBE the Demonic Tutor will be played in Legacy.The Wheel of Fortune will almost certainly be tried at a minimum in other formats.
>>97578161>yeah the UR deck full of fliers will totally benefit from adding a nontrampling grounded beatstick w/ no etb in a meta full of pushes and swords>this totally works in my head the voices told me so just like how they told me you're all my enemiesYour delusions of grandeur have gotten the best of you, but many such cases
>>97578180Hey look, you posted one of the few images you always do. Funny how I knew it. But, to quote you, your legacy deck is proxies kept by your LGS, you wouldnt know.
>>97578197>hey you reused one of your images>this totally means you're every single person i hate ittYeah i'm a regular and i'm not the only one laughing at you for being a pretentious legacy dabbler
>>97578239Anon, are you sure this a path you want to go down? You know where it leads. I know where it leads. Be a quality poster; nothing more is required.
>>97577999>Purphorus Bronze BloodedYou got a list you can share anon? I've been working on one now and have been curious how others built him.
>>97578307You've already proven you are an illiterate that desperately wants his pet deck to be a thing via super shredder of all things, the path you're in is laden with schizophrenia
>>97577700Limited fags truly are the worst.
>>97578351Things to note: look at the proximity of the images you always use. Look at the bait topics side by side. Look at the styles you use to shitpost and pretend to be a different poster. Look at the similiarities in this thread. Look at the proximity. Look at the identical styles of shitposting.Step it up anon. All "this" for attention. And most of the attention is being firmly kicked in the dick.
This is slop. Pigs eat slop.
>>97577922Find an LGS where no one cares for turtles or marvelslop. Glad to have one like that. Only stocking minimal for the former and none for the latter.
>>97578374>now that he's been called out for being a legacy larper he's abandoned all legacy talk and his now reduced to clinging to his paranoia that i'm every person he hatesEcksdee
>>97578386There is no larp. I do play legacy. You are singlehandedly shitposting in this thread about 50 times a day, constantly, and are the primary source of arguments. You werent here this weekend. You call everyone pedophiles when you're mad. And all this is a choice.
>>97578035pff ez
>>97578375lol people do crazy stuff with ai
Reminder: the TMNT slop set is your fault, you commander playing hogs.
>>97578425>noooo you can't just play a format made by the community>you have to play APPROVED MAGIC OTHERWISE YOU GET STAR TREKwew
>>97578444Not subtle.
>>97578404>how dare you call me out for not being able to justify why super shredder is totes gonna be fire against the tier 1 boros deck known for gumming up the board? I'm a legit legacy player damnit!>this means you're a shitposter! Me not being able to argue back means you're shitting up my board!XD
Other than deadly rollick, are there better exile alternatives?
>>97578455subtlety was not the point, once again you prove yourself to be retarded.
>>97578461See>>97575951>>97576073>>97576096>>97576124>>97576160>>97576180>>97576470>>97576554
>>97578001This is really good. Nice alternate wincon too. What would the flavor text be?
>>97578498>shows valid arguments that were unrefuted>this is totally a sin to do in a mongolian basket weaving forumAnd? Are any of those points wrong? Cant wait for your dissertation maybe you can larp in that aspect too :)
>>97578522>switches to the exact style from the archive in the quoted postNo one is arguing with you. You often argue with yourself.
>>97578535>No one is arguing with youAnd yet here you are that cant stand being btfo by some anon and conflating the guy with some schizo rambling about pedos
>>97578546There is no argument. You are that guy. And the proxy shitposter from this thread. And the one who argues about hybrid mana. And whatever else you feel like googling.
>>97578554>you're that guy you're that guy you're that guyI mean if you insist i'll be your boogeyman and i'll refer to you as the legacy larper that always get btfo, easy
>>97578564Caught.
>>97578585Btfo.
>>97578564Refer to me however you want. It's irrelevant IF YOU STOP SHITPOSTING 75 TIMES A DAY.
>>97575803I have Emrakul in a Jhoira deck
>>97575959Garfields version has been dead for 40 years
>>97578589>if people make valid points that arent refuted that means they're shitposting dont you get it?>aaahhhh why cant i downvote you stop ruining my safe space!Maybe a permanent change of scenery would be best for your mental health
>>97578610None of those points are valid because you are shitposting. And funny how that post is identical to the ones highlighted this thread.
>>97578617>posts i dont like are shitpostingYeah keep repeating that and i'm sure it'll come true fr fr
>>97576188>unpopular and harmfulSo money-making and law-creating I assume?Like fuck Japan pre two nukes they were dumb assholes but ffs this is almost as bad a reason as the khaladesh rename
>>97576129They changed it late I think. It's also in some of the card arts too
>>97578625It doesnt need to come true. It's a statement of fact, anon who proxies vintage and legacy but keeps your proxies there because the store owns them.
>>97576228Shark Shredder is cool too
>>97578650Everyday i thank squenix for putting their foot down because god knows what wotc would've done if they weren't put on a leash
>>97578480Archenemy's charm, Astarion's Thirst, consuming ashes, Eat to extinction, baleful.There's a bunch and instant is much better than sorcery they just cost mana
>>97578662You know what's a statement of fact? You having comically bad takes that's actually shitting up the thread
>>97578682That's a matter of opinion, but you wouldnt know since you google everything to argue instead of discuss magic. And if you shitposted and my liws less, maybe people would care aboutt your opinion.
>>97578668I do like the reanimating them tapped and attacking bit. Still a little annoyed this doesn't really work with the one base Shredder we have right now though.
>>97578716It's not my problem your views dont hold up to scrunity and that you have a case of mental illnessCase in point, you think i proxy vintage and legacy while at the same time thinking that i'm also the anon arguing against proxies, a classic case of schizophrenia
Edhrec solved this game mode, even in standard you can find more Deck variety, lmao
>>97575875so if I pay for the cards I am allowed to stomp you?
>>97578239NTA, but it's obvious when you keep having the same arguments and say the same thing thread after thread.Why are you fags arguing about legacy in the EDH thread though?
>>97578735You said you did. I posted the screencap. You did argue about proxies, I highlighted your posts.
>>97578404>You call everyone pedophiles when you're mad.Its projection because he got outed for being one when he said UB finally was giving him cute (underage) girls.
it's outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq102tK_CV8
>>97578769>Why are you fags arguing about legacy in the EDH thread thoughHey dont blame me i'm not the one who thought super shredder was going to break the legacy format
legacy has been solved since 2012
>>97578739Welcome to eternal formats. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>>97578788Fuck. Bebop is good in Betor.
>>97578771Post the screencap about proxies that you so insist i did so i can laugh at you
>>97578375What the fuck
>>97578782Yup, I can tell.>>97578805See:>>97578498
>>97578815>posts are about being anti-proxy>yes this means you're a proxyfag printing vintage and legacy decksClosing the mental hospitals was a mistake
>>97578001it should be 34 million actually
>>97578820No, that was here. Do keep up:>>97578374
>>97578375I'm not sure if pigs want slop like this.
>>97578788why are(n't) they pirates
>>97577362looks good in my jenova deck
>>97578831>still insists that an antiproxyfag and an eternal format proxyfag are the same personLike i said, closing the mental hospitals was a mistake
Yo anon if you're there did you get to post the deck without mana rocks? Haven't followed the past threads
>>97578848Yes you are. Because you're shitposting. It's why no one should care about your opinions. You dont have any.
>>97578788Got to say, I like some of these cards.
>>97578862>yes two anons with different opinions are the same person because i desperately want it to be trueHahaha oh dearie me seek medical help immediately
>>97578870He's redundancy for Shalai and Hallar I guess.
>>97578880You dont have to like it, but it's true. It has been explained. You even agreed twice. And now you're trying to save face.
magic has been solved for years. just buy quality Chang bootlegs off Ali. Indistinguishable foils, real cardstock weight, black core, holo stamps, the works for like $1 each. why pay $1000+ for a real dual land when you can get a perfect fake for pocket change?
>>97578897I dont like people having a schizo episode and for your mental health i highly suggest you never make any dumb takes like tmnt being chock full of legacy cards ever again
>>97578918You wouldnt know, you only play legacy with proxies at your gamestore, apparently.
>>97578375>manchild playerbase screeches and reees about your cards being slop>release cards with the characters literally covered in slopBEYOND BASED
>>97578943For all your real cards it took 4chan anon to tell you that super shredder sucks in legacyYkw maybe this guy >>97578904 has a point maybe brainlets like you should stick to buying from chang after all lol
>>97578788I didn't expect more mono black rat support but this is appreciated.
>>97578788Neat, a Turtles in Time reference
>>97578977the commander decks all seem to have a lot of game references in them
>>97579028The commander decks reference the games while the main standard set references the comics
do you guys do decklist reviews? i'm building my second ever paper deck with picrel and i'm not sure if its any good
>>97579054Main set is more "all over", precon is specifically video games-themed.
>>97579063Depends on what feedback you're looking for, some will tell you to upgrade for the sake of winning more while others will tell you to use X card instead for sovl
>>97579063Yeah sometimes but most of the regulars here are absolute shit at the game or have a schizo take that'll make them froth at the mouth about.
>>97579063Just post your list. You may get shit on but there's usually some tidbits you can get from it to consider. Some card or redirection to help. Or you may just get some direct help. Doesn't hurt to put your list out there anyway. How does what you have so far look and feel to test?
>>97579067That explains why all the turtle shell symbol cards have the theme then.
>>97579076mostly consistency/performance on a budget, deckbuilding tips in general like land ratios/curve (stuff I don't really get honestly).>>97579087so far it feels a bit too "potentialman" esque, because redshift is one part of an infinite mana combo in the command zone, but likewise getting to the other pieces consistently feels 50/50. https://moxfield.com/decks/1P_hjJSbmkWWtQFTsEVQaw is the list.im leaning pretty heavily on mana rocks despite being in green to have sac targets for goblin engineer, but other ways to get to my artifact combo pieces would be good. i tried reckless handling and hoarding dragon but they didn't feel good.
They're pandering directly to my nostalgia, FUCK
>>97578788They should have been mono B desu
>>97578841Its a reference to the turtles in time snes game.They didnt have enough space in the type line.
>>97578841They're just cosplaying.
>>97579113If you're using rocks there's kuldotha forgemaster to find sword of the paruns
>>97579063If you have more than 28 lands don't bother posting it because you're retarded
>>97579172Tell me about it
>>97579113Honestly? If this is your first deck ever, bretty gud, but your payoffs are relatively low impact, and you'll struggle removing noncreatures. This deck isnt overly fast, and the card draw is kind of limited. The payoffs are also meh, like sure umbral mantel into balista makes sense, but you have no real way of getting either half other than lucking into it, and the rest of the deck is pulled into too many themes at once. Splash of goblins, godo, equipment matters, power matters, dorks, cost reducers. It's a bit much. Also cut that pay mana tap land thing, a basic would be better. Even a karoo.My advice? Focus on adding more card draw. If you want it to be a combo deck, enable the combo as best as you can. Your manabase is fine-ish. You may even be able to go a scooch bigger, but I wouldnt really recommend it. Grab ways to set up your combo (tutors, draw, redundency) and maybe a plan B and C. Overall? Well done, much better than most people here. Manabase? Fine enough.
These turts are just like us bros :)
>>97579199oh i didn't know this existed, this is really great. i can even sac off the treasures from big score/windfall for it>>97579213yeah, its not a formal 2 card infinite, but i was hoping having as many outlets for it as possible would help (helix pinacle, pashalik infinite bodys/burn) and some of the outlets are searchable off matron if i already have engineer/combo piece in hand. ill look at more card draw to deck thin more and draw into the pieces and see, thank you
>>97579266When did they add a fifth one?
>>97579272Jennika's existed quite a while.
>>97579286>character introduced in 2015>turned into a turtle in 2019That's not "quite a while".
>>97579269Well, moreso if mantle gets exiled or whatever you're going to have a bad time, just to be clear. But hey, welder nonsense might be fun. I dont want to build your deck for you, but I can imagine there are lots of crazy artifacts for you to recur. Hint.
>Show my friends the decklist I'm building>It uses counters that are not +1/+1>"yo bro, why are you running doubling season, don't you know that card is a scam? harden scales is cheaper and better">Harden scales doesn't interact with spore counters.>"Who cares bro, its not good.">Other than vorinclex, it is the only card that doesn't care what kind of counter it is.>"BRO ITS A SCAM!"God I fucking hate people who just watch reels and shorts.
>>97576146At least the special art is way better than ATLA
>>97579323It's a shame too. The only thing Avatar was really missing was good art on its bonus sheet cards. The rest of the set has some of the most consistently good art of any UB. They should have gotten their nip artists to illustrate the bonus sheet.
>>97579302Kids who weren't alive in 2018 are in grade 2 unc. 7 years is a long time.
>>97579302that is over 10 years of the character existing and half of that as a turtle
>>97579266>Decks in front of their graveyards Genuinely the most offensive thing I think I've seen on a Magic card. What the fuck.
>>97579266
>>97579266This seems a bit masturbatory.
>WotC just blatantly powercreeping cards because they dont want another Spider Man debacle to happen>Hybridtards still think Hasbro wouldnt absolutely rape the format with Hybrid Everything if the change was madeLolLmaoRoflXdddddd
Middle ground idea on hybrid mana identity: manamorphose and only manamorphose is playable as red or green.
>>97579397It is a bit on the nose, but the flavor text isnt wrongFocus on being proactive, react only when necessary, go for the combo win everytime and force opponents to have it
Can you use Ashling's flip mana for an x spell if you pay enough in? On the stack it can have cmc 4 or more, but in hand it won't.
I'm a retard, if someone casts a spell, any non-creature spell, and you respond to it while its on the stack, does the first spell fizzle?
>>97579356...........[enchantments]...............[artifacts][exile].[deck]...[creatures]...........[grave]..[lands]
>>97579506Yes.
>>97579506The first spell would be put back into the owner's library actually, as Calamity's wake will retroactively undo all game actions that led to an illegal casting
>>97579548Just randomly shuffled in?
>>97579548This is wrong. It doesn't do anything to spells already on the stack
>>97579506the other two people are being wrong on purpose, as a joke.once it's put on the stack, it's already cast, so any silence effect won't counter spells on the stack.
>>97578788>spire gardenHuge. I was gonna buy one at $18 next week, good thing they reprinted the thing.
Fresh slop delivery, piggies
>>97579637it's not fresh at all grandpa>>97579266
>>97579637>He's sweating in traffic>Ge's gotta get home>He's running in the door, he's throwing his bookbag onto the floor>His computer is waking up>He wipes his brow, its drenched>SLOOOOOP!!!! >He wasn't even the first.
>>97579506not with calamity's wakeyou would need an effect that says "end the turn"
>>97579637no tip for you, delivery boy
>>97579509Awful. I can't support any field layout that uses the deck to cover the grave or any zone that should be visible at all times.
>>97579732I will move the deck to be below artifacts
>>97578444commander IS approved magic.But you faggots are the ones who kept buying UB slop because "oh I want to make my favorite walking dead character I commander"When you look at the TMNT set, I want you to remember this image
>>97579752I don't think many people, especially from here, bought into the earlier UB sets that didn't fit Magic's aesthetic. I haven't seen a single positive word thrown at Doctor Who or Spiderman.
>>97579739I think it's weird having the artifacts and enchantments in the front row but if the deck isn't covering anything you're fine by me. Well, as long as you aren't one of those absolute fags that mixes in their mana rocks with their lands.
Harry Potter UB will save magic by driving away the redditors and troons.
>>97579771Dr literally who is in that fringe case. 90% of people dont care for it and have nothing to say about it because its just 4 precons. Not enough to stir the pot but enough to satisfy the 10% Whovian overlap that sing its praises
The only thing that keeps me going is the fact that we will return to Kaldheim. I just need to hold on until then.
>>97579067So this is gonna be a new white staple right? 2 mana to bring back up to 4 of what was lost this turn seems crazy.
>>97579894Wasn't Kaldheim basically destroyed by the Phyrexian inasion? At this point Kaldheim seems like a plane built simply to set up themes and plot points that have already terminated.
>city of brass reprinted through turtle power precon>literal modern day cityI see how it goes.
>>97578788>boros and golgari edh duals>strixhaven getting 5 decks the other 4 are gonna be crammed into the marvel decks aren't they
>>97580010akshually it's a futuristic city
>finished my deck without mana rocks>it's absolutely absurd
>>97579940well they got their ragnarök. world tree is rip and the 10 planes perma crashed into each other. however wotc already prepared the next conflict. since the planes are now perma locked together the shadow elves (descendents of the loser gods) are waging a new war against the current gods (winner gods) for revenge.
>>97579637Why are there 5 ninja turtles?! Wtf?
>>97579771>earlier UB>spidermanFallout and WH40K are quite literally just as unfitting as Dr. Who and come from the same era where it wasn't getting sets
>>97580036on the plane of new york by chance?
>>97579914Doubtful but maybe? I've never seen anyone run Brought Back for example.
>>97579914Or, for 1WW you can play second sunrise. Or for 3W play faith's reward.
>>97579637Why is sans undertale there
>>97580077>Or, for 1WW you can play second sunriseWhy would I want to save my opp's board from the wipe?
>>97580092Because you're comboing so hard it doesnt matter. Or 3W for faith's reward.
>>97579914>>97580066As monowhite master, Brought Back is generally great because it's the best ramp spell early game, and very flexible late game to get any threat, including lands back into play. I play it all the time. Continue? does look like a sweet addition to the arsenal, but it looks like it goes in specific decks where you can use it offensively and defensively.
>>97579914New staples don't happen. Everything is so redundant and advantages so marginal that no one cares to run the optimal cards and they're usually fine because it's multiplayer and marginal differences get drowned out by seat order and the one inevitable retard throwing wrenches in how the game is played.
>>97580166
>>97580123It helps that Brought Back can bring back any two permanents while Continue is just limited to creatures. I imagine there will be points where both would be useful. But I've never really found space for Brought Back in my mono white stuff so I don't know for sure.
Will probably cost a significant amount down the line.
>>97580273I really need this for my 3dog deck
>>97580282this but my foot fetish deck
>>97580273Why is this white? Because creature token?
There's something off about how this art is framed.
>>97580273Yup, bretty gud.
Damn it they really want me to turn my Yuriko deck into esper
>>97580334The Foot are evil but incredibly organized and work for the shredder, not themselves, thus white. They mix black/white because they're also a street gang
>>97580334it's an enchantmentsquadit makes tokensit makes weenieswhen you attackand it spreads the attack evenlyalso you keep the tokensit's extremely white. the token color is just flavor. the flavor of the feet
>>97579637did they just print a straight up better urban evolution?
Should I in my bullshit token decks?
>>97580403It depends on how much you value the land coming in untapped.
>>97578788So they can just mass print cards like bond lands and City of Brass in commander decks. I see...
>>97580344He's staring straight at you and his art looks symmetrical but the framing puts his art just slightly to the right.
>>97580036>>97580061It was in the far future of 2020 ADhttps://youtu.be/JnBjDrJufHg?t=1629
>>97580428We've wanted bond lands in precons for years after the LotR elf precon used one as a value crutch. Too bad it's being wasted on gay ass key jingle turtles.
>>97580428They always could.
>I'm ready to play my sick as fuck new Ashling the Limitless deck. Spent a lot of money of some of these very powerful elementals. >Okay, so turn 2 I play hushbrigher >Yeah, I fucking scoop.I hate my pod so fucking much. You're in five colors and you don't have a single removal not based on ETB?!
I will hyperfocus any nigga playing a single card from this set on my table, i dont even care if trow the gamemake bullying great again
>>97580517I for one play an m10 version of Lightning Bolt in every red deck because I like the art. You should reccommend it to your buddy.
>>97580517Sometimes shit just plays out that way. That someone just happens to be playing the counter to your deck. I know just always having it is a meme, but this is a situation where the removal suite would help. Especially since that commander has such a silver bullet for it. I assume you're running a good amount of creature and everything else removal, right?
>>97578375i though turtles where pizza loversyou would not do that to the thing you love
>>97580546>I assume you're running a good amount of creature and everything else removal, right?I have 18 pieces of interaction in my deck, yes.
>>97580560Oh wait, I misread this post. You're talking about someone in your pod scooping instead. Never mind. That was on him to remove it.
>>97580412The messy board states this would cause are ridiculous.
>Random uncommon ninja bitch I've never heard of gets cuter art than April O'neilJesus this set really blows.
>>97580861You seem like a big tmnt fan.
>>97580861Future of her feet in my mouth
>>97580869I don't care about turtles but I was hoping for another big tits white girl commander.
>>97580517He shouldn’t even need removal. Ashling’s effect itself is on sac not ETB, so although that player wouldn’t get an ETB off it, they could still play their biggest elemental, it kills itself, Ashling makes a talked copy with haste, and they punch you in the face or you block with a 1/2
>>97580861Karai isn't random anon
>>97580861I don't like that she seems decent in Ardbert.
>>97580906You don't get to sac anything with Ashling vs Hushbringer. If you evoke an elemental in, it turns off all ETB effects, which Evoke itself is. So you are just cheating in big vanilla creatures more or less, since the point of the deck is to make big etbs and double dip, but they don't get haste either unless some other effects is granting it.
>>97580913>>97580861As if it wasn’t bad enough they’re doing a man-child nostalgia TMNT set, but they’re having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for characters and whenever you post about not knowing who the fuck someone is, some obese balding redditor is guaranteed to reply to you with>how can you NOT know about Bazooble Blorps?! He was in the comics since 1991 AND the main villain of the 2006 animated series!?!?!Did you know Theres a fucking female ninja turtle with a yellow mask? Apparently just some random comic writer’s OC. I have never seen her in my fucking life, if she had been invented for this set I wouldn’t even know
>>97581003Evoke is “if you do, when” and not just “when”You did cast it for its evoke cost so it sacs
>>97581011Karai has been a main villain since the 90s and has been The Shredders right hand since anon. I get this for the majority of mutants in the set but this is like getting upset at Sandman being in the Spiderman set.
>>97581027There he is! That’s the guy! He did the thing!!
>>97581034
>>97581034Anon, it's not our fault that you only know the main characters and the main villain, but most people who know anything more about TMNT are familiar with more than just Shredder as far as villains go.
>>97581023>702.73. Evoke>702.73a Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. “Evoke [cost]” means “You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost” and “When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it.” Paying a card’s evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h. Casting a spell for an evoke cost, adds an ETB effect to the spell.Which Hushbringer turns off.
>>97581048even if you played the SNES games you should know some of the characters in the set. It's not really elitist or Reddit to do a google search for most of these characters
i finally have a deck where this guy can shine ive waited so long
>>97581048>>97581064There is a song about you guys, did you know?https://youtu.be/aSugSGCC12I
>>97581070In Ashling? That’s a nonbo unless you want to pay 9 mana for it
>>97581077>You used google to know who a fictional character is instead of bitching about them on 4chan? What a manchild!
>>97581070what's with the hostility? calm down
>>97581081
>>97581082I remember when who characters were either didn’t matter or was explained by the card because that was the only source of their existence.Imagine genuinely defending having to look up who the fuck they’ve put on your cardboard ads
>>97581095>I have a deck to play it in now>an old as shit commanderI'm clearly missing something.
>>97581100If you don't know who they are then look it up or ask someone like a normal person, like the other anon said you not knowing who anyone other than the main characters and main villain is your fault not ours
>>97581116new player
>>97581100>the lore of your IP is deeper than something i can pull up in the mtg mothership? le bad!this is the kind of guy telling you to love UW btw
>>97581122>Finally have>Waited so long
>>97581143>UWYou are an outed pedophile.
>>97581120>If you don't know who they are then look it upI am mocking you for you finding this to be an acceptable state of Magic, it seems you aren't getting it
>>97581208Anon I do this with major Magic characters as well when I want to know how important they are.
Bought the preconpizza bundleand going to two pre-releasesCowabunga dudes
>>97581034i know karai more than rando fire nation chick from avatar. ty dye or whatever?Karai would also be more relevant since she was in a thing that released after 04.
>>97581216Bait.
>>97581230Only partly.I did buy the precon and one pre-release ticket.
>>97581200>>97576437
>the turtles have multiple iterations on their cards>April O'Neil is some random nigress on all of her cardswhy is it always the red heads?
>>97580036>>97580492Yeah but it's a future city from 1990 standards
>>97581242>Implying you know anything about the character at all outside of 80's cartoons
>>97581216prove it
>>97581230>taking part in the game is baitmiserable little cunt, aren't you
>>97581208>I am mocking you for you finding this to be an acceptable state of Magic
>>97581219I remember Ty Lee because she's cute and hot. She didn't show up until a few episodes into season 2 so I'm not surprised someone wouldn't know who she is, but she's pretty memorable if you did see her at the time. Especially the swimsuit episode.
>>97581240>yes I amThanks for confirming
>>97581251>Please post some receipt that if you fuck up one thing you'll dox yourselfNo.
>>97581250Find a depiction of her where she's black. We've had this conversation, the best you were able to come up with was an old 80s panel where she MIGHT be more tanned than other characters but it's not even possible to tell.O'Neil is an irish name btw
>>97581255Oh boy now you've done it. You're going to piss off the legion of Aetherdrift fans and the greater hat set fanbase.
>>97581254UB is not part of this game it's 3rd party ads.
>>97581263I don't remember her because the character has not been relevant in 22 years.The time between the start of the OG turtles cartoon and the appearance of Avatar as a series is shorter than Avatar to this set in time length.
>>97581144yeah hostility sitting in my collection for a year because i bought it thinking it looked cool but didnt have a deck for it yet is a decent bit of time. you're annoying.
>>97581265anything to feed your schizophrenia
>>97581272This didn't happen by the way
>>97581278>I don't remember her because the character has not been relevant in 22 years.Compared to fucking Ninja Turtles...? Really dude?
>>97581270Does TMNT Rise count?
>>97581280>Say dumb shit>Get called on it>Y-you're annoyingPro-tip, don't say dumb shit in the future.
>>97581284aetherdrift wasn't a happening that's for sure
>>97581276oh you are that retard from this morning who was crying because you cant control your consoomerism when you see other products.your autism doesn't invalidate game pieces.
>>97581278That didn't seem to matter for Avatar or any of the Final Fantasy reps that were from games from 30+ years ago. A piece of media that remains timeless is going to work better as an UB set than something like TMNT that's pulling from comics no one, especially not the 40 year olds with nostalgia who are being targeted for this set, have read. The vast majority of people who know about TMNT won't know there's a fifth turtle now. But if you were a 13 year old boy when Avatar was relevant you'll remember Ty Lee's tits.
>>97581289Are you deluded? There's been>like two turtle movies>a theme park ride>4 or 5 series>comic booksAnd all of these AFTER Avatar ended. The only thing of note Avatar has done since ending is a movie often cited as one of the worst films of all time.
>>97581250oh ok.hey google give me every iteration of april>3 iterations of a gypsy lookin chic>20 red heads>3 brunettes>bug?>power ranger?hm. weird.
>>97581269fake and gay then
>>97581306Outside of the Michael Bay movies none of this would have been something an adult would watch. At best you could have seen it through osmosis when your kid watched a TV show.
>N-no one cares about turtles like AvatarAvatar ended in 08The 2012 TMNT movie releases 4 years laterBudget: 150 milBox office: 480 milSeems people cared.even 2023 it made a profit in theaters.
>>97581302>you'll remember Ty Lee's titsthanks for the mammaries ty lee
>>97581290>does a TMNT cartoon literally nobody gave a shit about counts?no.
>>97581301>you cant control your consoomerism when you see other products.I don't buy UB because it isn't Magic.
>>97581280we apologize for that anon, we made him autistic and schizophrenic as a joke.
>>97581331I don't buy shit like strixhaven because the setting doesn't interest me.And Lorwyn was just a mediocre set even though it was a cool setting.
I tolerated the Avatar set because I can glance at a random card and it almost feels like something from a Magic world and not just immediately feel like it's just an advertisement for a different IP. Can't say the same for Spiderman and Turtles.
>>97581316The Michael Bay movie had Megan Fox as April by the way.
>>97581339just pretend it's Kamigawa
>>97581331good thing the world doesnt run according to your autistic logic.ub is magic, suck it up and walk it off.
>>97581344Don't insult Neon Dynasty like that. I'm not the set's biggest fan but the aesthetic wasn't half retarded like TMNT where most of it is designed to be marketable to literal ipad babies.
>>97581339I feel this way desu. I even like the TMNT games but this is not at all a good fit for the mtg universe. Feels weird
>>97581356>He says this and posts the most Ipad baby commander ever printed
How are you celebrating Black History Month, /edh/? Any interesting deck teck?
>>97581363>autist thinks anyone knows what hes sperging about
>>97581349>autistic logicAutistic logic such as: Magic is its own IP and therefore 3rd party IPs are not Magic?Truly a feat of mental gymnastics there
>>97581371yes
>Dude sends me a decklist with 79 cards (no manabase) in it asking for cuts>Yeah sure whatever I'll go through it>"What is this card doing in here why is he running a combo that only works with one other card in his 99?">"Why is he running this random 8-mana sorcery?">"Why is this random mill card here?">"Why is Elixir of Immortality here?">"Why isn't he running (wheel) in his wheels deck?">"Where's these very obvious synergy pieces that he only included 1-2 copies of?">"Why isn't he running protection?">"Where's his removal package?">"His commander is a 6-drop why doesn't he have a way to ramp into it?">Repeat this process several times>Cut 55 cards and added 36
>>97581339>i can't move on from a business decision made years ago because not only aren't there enough UW autists like me who love the shitty stories we also don't buy enough of it (we proxy duh)
>>97581369Am I supposed to hate all the commanders here?
>>97581369No but I have been watching shorts of that guy debunking black history and it's been really interesting.Did you know for example that Thomas Jefferson almost certainly didn't bang his black slave? First of all she was 1/4 black, and secondly he was only posthumously genetically matched to 1 of her children by the Y chromosome which would also make several of his relatives potential fathers, including one who was infamous for going to negro parties at night
>>97581369I lobotomized a Chulane deck for Galadriel before I noticed she was looking a little strange. I also briefly considered building Narci because she's unironically one of the cutest characters WotC has created but she'd be an expensive build so I fucked off and built something else instead of letting my dick spend $150 on a deck I wouldn't even find fun.
>>97581375less gymnastics needed to accept magic cards are... magic cards than you screeching they arent because your newest autistic kneejerk
>>97581385Supposed to? No. Invited to? Yes.
>>97581390>she's unironically one of the cutest characters WotC has createdPost skin tone.
>>97581388Learning Jefferson was a Hobo Johnson tier poetry simp for women he fucked or wanted to fuck was funny.>>97581394Paper White. Narci is as attractive as a black girl can get. Youthful, symmetrical face, feminine, cute expression with a prominent blush, not fat. I wish WotC would let their artists let White girls check these cuteness boxes instead of making them mannish, butch lesbians, quirk chunguses, or STRONG WYMYN who are always doing the Western AAA video game scream on their card arts. FF and Avatar were exceptions because they were working with someone else's characters.
>>97581394narci is by far one of the cutest magic characters in years
>>97581369love samut's card but I cant stand her art
>>97581417UB to the rescue
>>97581417>I'M ON BREAK>I'M TIREDT>YALL ATTACK YOSELF
>>97581420>secret lairproxy it is
I'm a chud BUT narci a cute
>>97581407>Paper White. Narci is as attractive as a black girl can get.>>97581412>one of the cutest magic characters in yearsMentally, neither of you are white. You may be transracial
>>97581339And yet the turtle set has way less memes than the avatar set
>>97581451your point falls flat when the list of pretty mtg white girls in the modern era basically boils down to>liliana (before wotc covered her bare shoulders)
>>97581451Cry more /pol/boy
>>97581467The lack of attractive white girls on cardboard does not make black girls more attractive, it is a mentality you haveAlso:>Morcant
>>97581482Morcant is a slampig at best. She's got like three chins and a round face, pitch black eyes (expected on a black girl, not flattering on other races), and unflattering bitchy eyebrows.
>>97581460Mix Turtles with Duskmourne and Innistrad for a Bracket 1 Angry Video Game Nerd deck.
>>97581482>he defines beauty as simply pigmentation rather than facial structure and symmetry>he's also into feet
>bounce commander back to hand>cast this>mill out through Tunnel VisionCommander used to be a man's game.
>>97581491>AVGN deckPut him in the game, WOTC. Do it.
>>97581490slampigs are based
this set sucks and it's rough buddy. It's just not quenchy and it ruins MY CAAAABBBAAAAGES. Now I shall return to my SECRET TUNNNEEEELSECRET TUNNNNEL
>>97581502I agree for the most part. But the correct answer for attractive White women in modern MtG are various Kor women who get away with it by being non-human.
>>97581494>because her foot is in frame that must be what you're attracted to
>>97581451mentally, you have no argument so your resort to ad hominem *extends hand* go to game two?
>>97581460A lot of the Avatar memes fall flat on me because I watched very little of the show and don't read flavor text on UB cards. Like, it's literally just a tunnel to me.
>>97581516>you say something silly>i do the same>...no w8 you can't do that!
>>97581048TMNT isn't that big of an IP compared to Final Fantasy and Marvel. It's not surprising nobody really knows who the other characters are. If it's any solace Slicer is a literal who in Transformers and not even an original G1 transformer. Just one that got retrofitted into the G1 crossover with magic to promote a new line of toys, and ended up as the most powerful card from that crossover anyway. Meanwhile Optimus Prime is a rancid turd rotting in bulk binders.Point is it don't matter if anyone knows who the characters are.
>>97581519Not sure how IT'S THE QUENCHIEST and MY CABBAAAAGES go over your head.
>>97581534Weird. If I search highest grossing media franchises and type "ninja turtle" I get a hit. If I type "final fantasy" I get no hit.
>>97581528This is deadly serious.
>>97581549Turtles sold a lot of toys of the main four turtles and shredder, yes. That's why people know them and not some of the others.
>>97581553Are we ignoring turtles have made over a billion at the box office?Bit more than final shitty and the shitty within.
>>97581519If you don't know what it is then look it up or ask someone like a normal person, like the other anon said you not knowing what anything other than the main characters and main villain is your fault not ourshttps://youtu.be/4-GiYP_4qc0
>>97581557Everything makes a billion dollars these days, that's inflation and the fact we count China in box office numbers.
>>97581553>>97581534>>97581549As a 40+ year-old boomer, Turtles in the late 90s to early 90s was a phenomenon like no other for young boys. Everyone loved the show. Toys, video games etc. It was the coolest thing to like and really had a hook in that generation. I'm surprised so many people aren't excited for it compared to other UBs. I'm not excited because I hate UB and all the cards and art are a total miss.
>>97581549you know what's also weird? If I search highest grossing media franchises and type "magic the gathering" I get no hit.
>>97581549FF has made an estimated $19 billion gross lifetime sales when adding up reported individual game revenue, at least since Square went public in the early 2000s.
>>97581568>I'm surprised so many people aren't excited for it compared to other UBs.I think it was only big in America. I was aware of it, I saw merch and toys, I think I probably saw the movies when I was little, but that show had 0 cultural impact.Over here it was all the anime shit. Yugioh, Pokemon, Beyblades.
>>97581562I think you're entirely misreading my posts. I PREFER not recognizing external characters and memes in UB Magic cards. I'm not gonna Google lore about ninja turtles nor avatar.
>>97581568It's the kind of media most men put down when they reach a certain age. It's not really formative and never grew with the audience unlike most major nostalgia franchises that remain timeless.
>>97581578I was mocking someone else bud >>97581120
>>97581568>early 90s turtlesturtles were 80s I was on team street sharks
>>97581578>I PREFER not recognizing external characters and memes in UB Magic cards.
>>97581498Grixis historic matters or curse auras
>>97578375>Not all edible things are fragileYeah but the plate isn't the part that's edible. I hate this fucking flavor text so much
>>97581588That's ok because I like it
>>97581592that's also ok because I like IT'LL QUENCH YA
>>97581583my brother in christ you play trading cards as an adult. the only thing magic as grown into is soft as baby shit
What are some of the best removal creatures that have ETB, and or exit the battlefield triggers like pic related? I'm trying to find cheaper creatures, since this guy is 8 mana.
>>97581585He clearly just made a typo bud
>>97581507QUENCHY CABBAGEQUENCHY CABBAGEON MY CARDBOARDQUENCHY QUENCHY QUENCHY CABBAAAAAGE3rd best selling set of all time btw
>>97581601White has a shit load of exile-under weeniesBut I think pic related is the best at actually removing them at low cost afaik. You have to remember they're not going to put removal on a creature for less than it would be in another card type
>>97581601shriekmawRavenous Chupacabranekrataal
Are we allowed to like cards with references to real people or is that UB as well?
>>97581601
>>97581613>>97581619Thank you. I was really more looking for removing any permanent, or non-land permanent. >>97581622Yeah that one I am using! One of the best. Cheap, doesn't hit non-creatures, but sac is about as good as it gets. Can be brought back with Sun Titan and Reveillark so ++
>>97581626oh you dont hard cast ashen rider to chuck it to the grave and use whip of Erebos on it
>>97581597nta but turtles is way more kiddy than magic.
>>97581507This reads like an AI trained by a schizophrenic.
>>97581641Why isn't this guy and Sugarmaw foods btw?
>>97581641pizza monster is a silly premise but that thing is gross and kinda spooky
>turtle precon has city of brass and two bond lands>and a bunch of other highly playable shit like vigor The deck is paid for by those 3 lands at msrp. If you're an active player you'd be retarded not to buy it. This shit is gonna sell extremely well and wotc will use that data to fuck us more.
>>97581601SolitudeSkyclave ApparitionNoxious GearhulkShiekmaw
>>97581571And yet not on the list somehow.
>>97581607>mfw seeing people bitch about turtles getting too many versions of themselves when they were quiet on there being NINE FUCKING AANGS
>>97581601i know this might sound crazy, anon, but you don't have to pay 8 mana to use that card.learn how to build decks.
>>97581692>whataboutismkys, subhuman
>>97581626>I was really more looking for removing any permanent, or non-land permanent.They put that shit at much higher mana on creatures
>>97581692>we didn't get any Big MT scientists in fallout
>>97581696>he's very madthat's rough buddy
ub subhumans need to die
uh oh melty
>>97581670I fucking hate how shamelessly pushed UB products areThe elementals precon came with a bunch of tapped lands and shit that only taps to cast creature spells.
>>97581670If the Commander Deck sells, but not the set, maybe they'll lock in that weirder UB sets work better as Commander Precons and other novelty Magic products.
>>97581693I don't really like reanimation strategies because it's too susceptible to removal, if that's what you're getting at.
>>97581696That's not whataboutism, retard
>>97581723>man i hate how wotc shamelessly pushes these UB products!!meanwhile this thing beats your average edh player out of the box
>>97581723Name 6 cards from spider-man currently seeing major constructed play.
>>97581736What's the most valuable reprint in that box? Tell me right now. How much is it worth? Because if it's not fucking City of Brass you can shut your ass up>>97581739>b-b-but what about this one set which wasn't even going to be a full set until WotC saw how badly Assassin's Creed did!?!?!
>>97581339Well you'll tolerate me playing tmnt at the table too.
>>97581732do it wotc, rance is an ally!
>>97581740Name 5 banned UB cards
>>97581739Soul Stone Vibrant CityscapePeter Parkers CameraUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>97581743Sure, here's one.
>>97581743
>>97581740>says UB precons are pushed>tell him otherwise>but my reprints!!dude just buy the city of brass single so you can spare yourself from seeing the evil UB IPs
>>97581755>>97581755>>97581755
>>97581670The reprints will drop in price as always. Just proxy it if you're that price sensitive.
>>97581771Bond lands typically drop to about $5 when reprinted but they've never been reprinted in a commander deck.I'm super curious how much it'll drop City of Brass. I doubt it'll go less than $10
>>97581771>The reprints will drop in price as alwaysnot nearly as much as you thinkwotc is careful in managing their reprint equity and that's why reprints of needed staples like shocks always have new art (causing the old arts to spike)
