https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYotcZAalcI despise modern WoTC faggotry, but I also can't help but notice the guys who founded OSR (or were there at the beginning, try not to sperg out too autistically) -- Raggi, Zak Smith, Rpgpundit are now all bizarre, 50-something, impoverished manchildren. I don't think having kids make all men's lives better if he's got his shit together, but there is something about being childless that certainly increases the odds of becoming very strange during your late middle-age.
>>97576504>GuyHe has weird fetishes that don't exactly gel with mine, but I appreciate the effort>GameHe should trying to sell your shitty dungeon crawls as in any way related to the 16th century real world, it's tedioust. /d/rone
>>97576508*stop trying
I give him credit for being self-aware. Of the three, he's the only one who isn't completely delusional. He's straight out of central casting for the "authentic guy who sticks to his guns" and I mean that mostly admiringly. Most of those people 1) drastically overestimate their own abilities, and 2) are furious at the world for not recognizing said abilities. He has a little bit of #1, but very little #2. He's much more resigned and disgusted at the world but that's not the same as aggressively angry.The thought of a 55 year old American living alone in a small Helsinki apartment, taking the bus to heavy metal shows, never speaking to anyone IRL is a certain kind of archetype that possess more dignity than, say, your run-of-the-mill NEET living in a US town jerking it to porn and playing vidya.
>>97576508>>97576545/threadThere is literally nothing more to be said.
Seems pretty honest in his weirdness. I like how varied the stuff he publishes is and the print quality, few books are brilliant, some others... not so much and I wouldn't dare to run them for my friends, because I'd rather keep in speaking terms with them. Veins of the Earth is brilliant, Death Frost Doom and God that Crawls aren't THAT bad, practically playable, The Staffortonshire Trading Company Works of John williams is fun just because LotFP's edgelord reputation and the book is just maps and floorplans, but Death Love Doom and Curse of the Daughterbrides?Jim, seriously, get help.
>>97576617His current video describes how he went to a metal show and didn't speak to anyone and had to leave early because he's become so fat his legs hurt and the buses weren't running any more because Finnish public sector unions are all-powerful and refuse to work past 10 pm. His ego is entirely related to his teenage, completely unchanged tastes in music, games, movies, etc. It's very tolerable because he seems to have virtually no ego about himself.
>>97576651Nigga, don't want to break this for you, but it's pretty normal for buses to stop running past 10 PM, except for the skeleton net of night lines.And it's not just in Finland, but everywhere.
>>97576504I don't.I fully expect anyone involved in making RPGs to be a weirdo. Childless and odd is pretty easily the mildest sort of mental they're likely to be.
>>97576504Both of them seem fun in a small, measured dosage with no deeper understanding.
>>97576675I'd be more concerned if RPG writers appear a bit too normal, makes me wonder what they're hiding.
>>97576660Over here they run till about 11 or 12 depending on the route and that's still kinda early. running them till 2 would be perfect. But this is not a northern european country where everything shuts down by 10-11 pm
I know intellectually some people must like death metal beyond the poseur element, but it's still funny to see one in the wild. And while I'm sure there's an identity element to his enjoyment (hey I'm not a boring office drone watch sportsball I listen to black metal), it seems mostly sincere. He talks about listening to it all the time, he not only has favorite death metal albums, he has favorites from 2023, 2024, 2025... bands I guarantee are unknown to more than 2000 people. So I can't group him in with these girls.
>>97576651Most people do not meaningfully evolve their tastes past high school. It's why music video comments are full of nostalgia no matter the song. The thing is that the most common teenage hobby being some form of sportsball disguises the infantile nature of it. All that really matters is that your interests make you happy and aren't destroying your life.
>>97576504
>>97576943>american hands typed this postin europe especially the nordics listening to metal isn't a poseur thing. Just a music taste usually combined with a lifestyle of going to shows and hanging around metal bars drinking beers with your friends once in a while.
>>97576943I was going to reply, but >>97576975 was faster - so pretty much what he said.If you need a good comparison, consider this: listening to country music is a pseud/larper thing up here, but that doesn't mean there isn't a genuine audience for it in States.
>>97576975It's already funny seeing 65 year old Unc's listening to Run DMC and LL Cool J, but it'll be even funnier to see 65 year olds listening to this in the nursing home:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJjsm6CVsG8
>>97577046i don't think this parrot looking nigga is gonna be remembers even 10 years from now anon
>>97577056He's got 500m views, he'll be remembered by 10000x more people than any death metal band.
>>97576504>RpgpunditI'm just going to take the opportunity to shit on this dumbfuck, easily one of the worst TTRPG adjacent "people">moan about rpg.net because le nazi woke moderation>make your own site and ban everyone who doesn't suck your absolute noskill dick
>>97577067how many 40 year olds still listen to my chemical romance in 2026. How many even remember them? Fad music dies when you leave the fad or when the fad dies. Do you remember what were the top 10 most popular songs in the subgenre of your choice in 2006?
>>97577074Even mentioning this de in the same sentence with Raggi and Zak smith is disingenuous
>>97577078>how many 40 year olds still listen to my chemical romance in 2026. How many even remember them?Are you completely retarded? People being nostalgic for the music of their youth somehow disappeared when Obama brought Hope & Change? Oh right, you're 60 years old and so you can't understand that 40 year olds aren't nostalgic for music made after the 80's, that's incomprehensible.
>>97577074Pundit is good and more insightful about game design than 95% of rpg Youtubers. He also has comical mannerisms and delusions."heh heh... heh heh.. rpgpundit here with a new video... heh heh... check out my platinum best seller on drivethru-rpg, "Obscurum Historical Albion"... heh heh *snaps lighter to relight pipe*... as you know I wrote the best selling edition of D&D, I have all the emails from Mike Mearls heh heh... *relights pipe*... today I'm gonna talk about problem players, I don't have that problem because I'm the most famous game designer in South America so I have to turn people away from my *relights pipe* game... heh heh heh heh... don't be fooled by the stone-age appearance of my apartment I make an excellent living from rpg's *relights pipe* heh heh heh."
>>97577067lollmao
>>97576508>>97576545You know what, good for him. There's men with more dollars and less sense who spend their whole lives trying to figure out what really makes them happy when they're past their prime, and it sounds like he's long since figured it out.
It's difficult to age as a true weirdo imo because eventually everyone around you will stop giving a fuck, so you can only be sustained by your passions. If you're just a gooner or something that's death. At least Raggi pursues things creatively. There are truly many people like him worldwide, most of them never coming into any significance.
>>97576504Does RPGPundit among those two? I though he got into the game way later and I know nothing he did matches the peak of Raggi and Zak in popularity. Zak raped people and you'll see people talk about separating the work from the artist or straight up defending him, RPGPundit has standard republican takes and apparently that's enough to kill his reach. You never see anyone go>I don't agree with him, but his games are so goodthe way people do with the dude who admited to raping someone and has been saying it isn't that big of a deal for like a decade.>>97577078>how many 40 year olds still listen to my chemical romance in 2026. How many even remember them?There was a huge emo blowback recently, I think they're playing again, lots of videos questioing what made them hit and how much of it was actual musical talent. The singer also had a couple very popular comics, one of those adapted to crappy tv.MCR has more legacy than you'd assume. The rest of the emo craze not so much.
>>97577109>You know what, good for him. There's men with more dollars and less sense who spend their whole lives trying to figure out what really makes them happy when they're past their prime, and it sounds like he's long since figured it out.Well, his videos always mention his crippling depression and anxiety so I don't know about that. Maybe it'd be even worse if he had a family. I think he's twice divorced.
>>97576943Stop making me want to racemix, damn you.
>>97577096Yeah, but the other two made huge modules people still play, even had their own publishing with dozens of people writing for it. The other one is a youtuber. It's not the same league at all.
>>97577118Eh. Nobody's perfect, we're all struggling with inner demons. Long as he's got something to keep him going, he'll make it.
>>97577121Stop being a pedo
>>97577121>Stop making me want to racemix, damn you.You can tell those girls grew up around/fuck with white bois:>goth (duh)>skinny>physiognomy is absolutely real, they have 'nerdy' expressions by black girl standards>if they were dressed normally on the NYC subway, these traits alone would be enough for them to get dirty looks if not physically abused by the standard, 200 lbs, 18 year old ghetto black girls
>>97577116>Zak raped peopleDidn't happen. And I don't even like the guy.
>>97576504This is an extremely autistic and trivial commentary on the metal gig at the start. Poor guy.
>>97577118>crippling depression and anxietyThat's just him acculturing to Finland! He didn't learn the language (or the alternative language), but he sure as hell absorbed Finnish mentality; Don't talk to anyone and be miserable.
>>97577150He agreed on court that he had sex with his wife while she told him to stop, his argument is that it isn't that big of a deal.
>>97577067I had to explain to a guy in his mid 30s who Justin Bieber is last week, so he could get a joke.You were saying something?
>>97577078I'm 40 and still listen to Coheed & Cambria
>>97577183>I had to explain to a guy in his mid 30s who Justin Bieber is last week, so he could get a joke.>You were saying something?1. Why were you talking to a pajeet who grew up in India? Maybe ask if he knows who Hillary Clinton is.2. Your made-up-example doesn't know Justin Bieber therefore he has no nostalgia for whatever music he did listen to as a teen. No nostalgia for the girls he knew at 15. Nope, that's all dead now. Because it just is.
>>97577210>NOOO, MY MAKE BELIEVE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FACT FAD MUSIC IS DYINGBy your logic, all the people listening to the 90s pop boysband would be STILL listening to them.Guess what doesn't happen.At all.
>>97577216This is a reupload of this gag, it's still getting new commentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdnnTj6X-KoPeople remember their fads if they hit hard enough. But the niche nature of modern culture makes this more rare than it used to be.
>>97577174I don't know how true that is in context. I mean this was his wife, so context certainly matters. I wasn't aware of him ever outright admitted to raping her, but I haven't followed this nonsense in years. He never faced criminal charges and he won his defamation lawsuit right?Even then most of the people who were freaking out about it at the time didn't have any admission and were going completely off a facebook post. That's dangerous and unacceptable.
>>97577116>my chemical romance maybe wasn't the best example but you get what i mean. who listens to good charlotte in 2026 would have been a better example. >zak didn't even rape anyone. it was eventually proved to all be slander because they didn't like the guy. Still ruined his life though. And of course nobody got punished for it.
>>97577460He won multiple defamation suits. Some shitlib did a big detailed expose on how evil and backstabbing the OSR development community is and how many of them are literally nuts and faced predictable psychotic backlash until she deleted the article. Zak is a leftoid piece of shit but not a rapist.
>>97576504based as fuck
>>97576508esl retard lmao
>>97576504Lamentations of not being the first to popularize B/X revival
>>97577619>Some shitlib did a big detailed expose on how evil and backstabbing the OSR development community is and how many of them are literally nuts and faced predictable psychotic backlash until she deleted the article.Its a weird article. Seems quite convincing, has recordings of people admitting to being shitheels. Not really sure why it got taken down, there hasn't been much rumour mill about that.It used to get deleted every time it was posted or discussed here when it came out as well. https://archive.is/0Nv3c
>>97576943im seeing dethklok in may tho
>>97577739Discussing this article or Zak can cop you a ban, just a warning. Pretty sure one of the owned has or had a buddy on the mod team here. Honestly the whole story would be far less believable without the audio receipts and without the author - who seems to think she should be on "their side" - clearly deeply uncomfortable with having to acknowledge reality.
>>97577056ESL posters are disgusting
>>97577806>Discussing this article or Zak can cop you a ban, just a warningjunior-janny faggot
>>97577850No, I'm warning him in case he doesn't know, not saying he shouldn't discuss it. There are a few pet peeves /tg/ staff have that will cop you spurious bans and there's no working mechanism to appeal them.
>>97577875all the more reason to post it
>>97577875>There are a few pet peeves /tg/ staff have that will cop you spurious bans and there's no working mechanism to appeal them.Well there's an IP change
>>97577739>Not really sure why it got taken downBecause the "wrong people" found it and lifelong academic feminists freak out at the idea of being on the same side as people who have been pointing out how academic feminism gave rise to these exact sorts of psychotics faggots. You can see her mentally butting up against the constraints of her cognitive dissonance programming in the article. >So I read as much as I could stand and then I went for a run because it made me so angry. Because there is nothing I can think of that fills me with more impotent rage than a fellow woman lying about abuse. And not just lying about it, but weaponizing her allegations to actively destroy someone. It is an affront to everything I believe in and everything feminism stands for."This can't be true! Feminism is honest and just and would NEVER allow this to happen! I can't imagine why a bunch of shitty faggots would EVER lie about rape and abuse! Lying is BAD!"What's even funnier is that several of the people named and shamed in that article outright admitted that they were interviewed by this person, her credentials are real, everything they said and admitted to was true... but... ... ethics or something. Seriously. It's all true, but the researcher who told them she was interviewing them about harassment in the TTRPG community did something wrong that they can't articulate by accurately recording and writing about the things they told her. One of those things where the perpetrator pretends like the real crime was them being caught for the terrible things they did.
>>97577460>>97577619>>97577150Wrong
>>97577078I'm 37 and I still listen to 3 cheers for sweet revenge, it's a great album. I never really got into the black parade though.
>>97578012hes still more based than youll ever be
>>97578060Wrong.
>>97578071>no u!Wrong.
>>97576504>Raggi, Zak Smith, RpgpunditNone of these guys were really there at the beginning of the OSR, though Raggi does have by far the strongest claim to being an early adopter, as well as having created an important OSR game/publisher. Zak self-admittedly only ever ran 3e and that's why he preferred to talk about "DIY D&D", and the swami was such a late bandwagoner it's not even funny.Anyway, all of them were weird af even before the OSR. Raggi specifically somehow manages to be the most normal one, and lots of the stuff he's published is great, but it's also obvious that even if he'd never gotten into RPGs at all he's exactly the kind of person who should never have kids. I don't think it's the childlessness that caused it.
>>97576973What the fuck? Raggi is Ricky Gervais in a fatsuit?This actually explains a lot. It's exactly his kind of humor if you think about it.
>>97577135>physiognomy is absolutely realBig tangent here but it's crazy to me how physiognomy is constantly described as a debunked pseudoscience even though anybody can see just from going about his daily life that it's 100% true.
>>97578012>judge considers a bunch of non-illegal shit to be demonstrated to the standard of getting the defendant off the hook in a civil trial>thus the plaintiff in the case is guilty of the crime of rapeThis is both hole-in-the-head-tier bad logic and total ignorance of the way the legal system works.
>>97578466Nooooooooo, you don't understand, someone with an axe to grind made an infographic, therefore Zak lost
>>97576504He's based and most of the "criticism" of him or his modules is massively exaggerated or outright made up. His detractors are just butthurt secondaries who want to make every game about gossipping and playing mobile games in a coffee shop instead of actually playing a game with real challenge.
>>97577460>he won his defamation lawsuit right?noPeople decided to retract instead of paying lawyers to defend internet posts and the court agreed on a single difamation point, which is that someone could be forced to live somewhere without applying physical force so the facebook posts should be cleared that he didn't lock her in his house. It's the only point the judges agreed on Zak, nothing else, including that it was difamation. Unless he takes it to a higher court, everything his wife said can't be prosecuted.
>>97577543>. it was eventually proved to all be slander because they didn't like the guy.like I said beforeThe courts decided that he can't even press slander charges. The only point he got through was that it shouldn't be assumed that he physically forced his ex wife to live with him. He spoon it as a victory without specifying details, scam artist tier shit>>97577619>He won multiple defamation suits.No, people didn't want to spend lawyer money to defend a something awful article. He settles multiple defamation suits, and some people are legally oblgiated to say they can't speak ill of him. Again, scam artist stuff.
>>97577739as an opposite view of >>97577975and with as much evidence as that other anon:Are we speaking about some random article or are we ignoring it like every other blog post? Deleting it made it way more popular than it could had ever be, which is better for her career. She probably just took it down and fabricate more drama and keep us talking about it.
I don't give five fucks about this fat loser's guro fanfic about his ex pretending to be a ttrpg, but I found it hilarious that this showed up in the catalog.
>>97576943Is this AI? Something looks off. I dunno, maybe it's just because it's mirrored.
>>97579044Did she fabricate the recorded interview too?
>>97579214Women are natural masters at lying and twisting people's words so yes.
>>97579065>Is this AI? Something looks off. I dunno, maybe it's just because it's mirrored.No, a skinny black chick without a hostile expression isn't AI.
>>97579218>Woman gets idiots to self incriminate Based.
>>97579231Shut up and make me a sammich.
>>97579214she used interviews with people who knew that if they spoke ill of one or the other they were fucking heir career.It's like using a movie's press tour as evidence of anything. It's not a sincere interaction and she didn't upload them in full so people could check if it was altered. Then she took the interview down so the intervewed people couldn't do anything about it.I'm sure some of them are assholes, maybe all of them. The point is that Zak never won the rape allegations, he only won that he didn't physically force his wife to live with him. It's the only thing a judge has failed in his favor. Including that he knew he was hurting them and fucking them against their will and that he cohersed sex under the threat of kicking them out (his argument was that he was joking)
>>97579260They speak ill of all sorts of others and themselves in the interviews you fuckwit. You're so far gone a verbal recorded confession is fake news to you.
>>97579235https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tkUSCNr0aDE
>>97579044>>97579260Did you read the archived post? It's nearly 100 pages long and too in-depth to fabricate, and several of the people directly quoted and referenced multiple times throughout it have confirmed that everything they said was true and that this woman is a real researcher with real credentials. The only controversy about it was that it was deleted a few days after being uploaded, and all the people who have been losing defamation suits against Zak weren't happy that they were made out to be the bunch of lying cunts and shitheads that they actually, verifiably are.
>>97579278It's not a verbal confession, people say things they don't mean, people don't operate in intentional truth or intentional lie, you fucking autist. You can say that they are assholes and fake, but whatever oppinion they express can change the next day. That's why interviews are not held as testimony in court.>>97579317He didn't win, they settled. It just means they didn't want to pay a lawyer to keep an article online.
>>97577619>He won multiple defamation suitsHe didn't won a single one. He settled few of them, and forced a court gag order on two people. That's it.The real question is - why are you even defending the fuckwit?
>>97579346And he only won one of 7 points, that he didn't physically trap his wife in his house. The court agreed that you can force them in multiple ways, but the text of the post left to interpretation how they were forced. On the point that he didn't threaten to randomly kick them out the court decided he did threaten them.There's one article that makes him sound like a victim of me too so people defend him, that's it.
>>97579014>tranny can't even spell defamationjejBut I'm sure anons will be convinced that your legal reasoning is sound lmao
>>97579260Lmao, confirmed for not having listened to a single one of the clipsAlso, out of everyone who admitted to being recorded and confirmed that they said what was on record not a single one claimed that she had twisted their words or taken them out of context (as if that were even possible, like when that one tranny says it was all about envy of Zak making money that he, the tranny, wanted to make himself instead).
>>97579337>Audio records aren't verbal confessions lmao
>>97579572The troon defense force are going full Key & Peele Gangster Rap Confession sketch.>The cover of the tape is you standing in front of Darnell's corpse!>Coincidence.
he seems like someone who'd be lurking there, hi James!
>>97579367>There's one article that makes him sound like a victim of me too so people defend him, that's it.You weren't there at all I see.
>>97576504>who founded OSR (or were there at the beginning, try not to sperg out too autistically)So you know he didn't found it but decided to bait with it anyway?The actual creators of the OSR is the OSRIC team. Grogs over at K&K and DF. They also don't use the term anymore preferring CAG to keep out all the people who don't get it.
>>97583206Classic Adventure Gaming?
>>97583206>>They also don't use the term anymore preferring CAG to keep out all the people who don't get it.whoa, what rad dudes, do they also call latinos latinx??
>>97583206That's completely wrong. OSRIC actually came out late to the OSR movement, in 2006.OSR discussions began as early as 2002, and C&C came out in 2004. The K&KA guys were mad that C&C wasn't a completely pointless 1e clone, so they made OSRIC, a fairly pointless 1e clone that was never that popular. The idea was that OSRIC could serve as an OGL compliant version of 1e that people could make and sell stuff for, but it never caught on.The K&KA were really just a small group of guys who made a forum that only ever had a couple hundred members, and was completely dwarfed by the larger OSR community. Even more importantly, the K&KA guys kept trying to define OSR in a way that made OSRIC the first OSR game, which is really just tuggng their own balls.
>>97583358Yes.>>97583451They just don't want to deal with faggots who insist because something is called OSR that means they have to allow discussions of whatever redditors mean by that term.>>97583522There wasn't an OSR of any distinction in 2006 beyond the K&K/DF guys using the term to mean new releases for old systems, as used by Foster on DF back then. There's also nothing old school about C&C beyond them paying Gygax to release some stuff as anyone whose played it can attest to. The "larger OSR" community is largely gone at that, now just broken up into B/X clones and the CAG crowd. Go figure no one gives a shit about a community around a term that grows to expand everything under the sun.
>>97583581>There wasn't an OSR of any distinctionThat's quite wrong. And really just K&KA propaganda at its worst.In 2002, people were already using "Old School Revival" in discussions about how to get WotC to reprint pre-3e material, and C&C came out as a direct result of those discussions, with even Matt Finch, the guy who co-lead OSRIC, working on C&C.C&C was a direct effort to bring older games and material outside of WotC's control, and it' was specifically designed to capture the "Old school" feel, including being made so that old adventures could be directly ported into it, including several of Gygax's modules. And, C&C was a commercial success despite fears that WotC might threaten them with legal action, and when no lawsuits emerged, that really opened up the gates for other OSR games, including OSRIC which came out 2 years later and didn't get a physical release until another 2 years after that.Matt Finch had a much more narrow idea of what it meant to be "old school", but since his ideas were essentially rejected, he left working on C&C to try and create OSRIC. The guys who aligned with those ideas started flame wars on DF and the C&C forum, and were generally obnoxious in their efforts to try and control the OSR movement and give it a more rigid and strict structure. But, the OSR movement largely rejected them and their ideas, and that's why the K&KA forum was so small and eventually died out.>that grows to expand everything under the sun.That's just slippery slope fallacy nonsense.The OSR started as loose groups on scattered forums. It expanded and grew not because everyone wanted a single game or style, but because they all had different ideas of what was the best parts of old school games. As long as the system/style is an earnest effort to capture either a real or interpreted/imagined aspect of "old school games", it's not like there's a central OSR authority that can tell them it's not OSR, and it's definitely not the K&KA guys.
>>97583581>They just don't want to deal with faggots who insist because something is called OSR that means they have to allow discussions of whatever redditors mean by that term.Huh, 95% of Redditors hate OSR because those pedos hate anything other than LBGTQP+++++ Modern 5.5e D&D, and they associate OSR with Nazis. If they're really using "CAG", which I doubt since this is the first I've ever heard of it, they're about as smart as (((Zak Smith))). Completely destroyed by the far left, but still insists he's oppressed by the far right the moment the topic is something other than his personal cancellation because his whole identity is irrevocably tied to being a 50 year old crust punk with a mohawk.p.s. hey Zak, how's the Google Alert working, has AI improved anything in the past 24 months or nah?
>>97583701>fishfag now going into unrelated threads to sperg on about K&KFun fact K&K doesn't give a shit about the term and wouldn't be going on about it.>C&C was a commercial successHas nothing to do with the discussion. 3E compatible old school material was already coming out of Necromancer Games, also with Finch and the lawsuit fear was strong and full during OSRIC's development at that. Finch's ideas aren't particularly narrow either. C&C just wasn't old school in any way despite selling itself as that, which is why it's appeal fizzled out the second actual retro clones started hitting the market.>flame wars on DFlmao now you're just straight up making shit up, as usual.>muh slippery slopeYeah because there isn't a million examples of it, including yourself shitting up the osrg general for well over two years now because some people called your houserules trash.
>>97583840>uhm acshually redditors don't like the OSRGuess that's why they have a full on subreddit with 42k visitor each week, over 2/3rds of which are the kind of douchebags who whine about 'slippery slopes' when they get told to fuck off.>ZakZak's the exact kind of faggot who loves that crowd, they're the ones who give him money after all despite being a 3E fag.
>>97583522>C&Clmao this nigger is still trying to spread his conspiracy theoryYou want to call OSRIC irrelevant and unpopular but hype C&C, the most forgettable game of all time with double-digit players at its peak?
>>97583905>Guess that's why they have a full on subreddit with 42k visitor each week, over 2/3rds of which are the kind of douchebags who whine about 'slippery slopes' when they get told to fuck off.1. It's literally the only OSR forum with any kind of traffic. It's like how r/hockey, r/NFL etc etc are now the only forums with any traffic and if you're a moron you'd read those and think "gee, I didn't know pro sports fans are far left".2. Because it follows Reddit tranny janny rules, you have to tread very carefully around anything remotely controversial. It's like how on any horror subreddit, everyone reads Lovecraft but if you mention his name you can literally get banned if you don't include a comment how you know he's Le Epic Problematic Racist Man. Same thing on OSR if you don't acknowledge how misogynist Gygax was, how racist early D&D was, how you like OSR but yes it does attract Nazis and we need to do better at gatekeeping, etc
>>97583898>Fun fact K&K doesn't give a shit about the termBut the BrOSR, who are formed from K&KA excrement, seem really obsessed with the term.
>Thread about Raggi>Actual content: OSR guys are bunch of weirdos with slavish fanbase
>>97583898Necromancer Games were making adventures and not systems, with them making material for the d20 system under the OGL license. Don't know why you're bringing them up when we're talking about systems.>C&C just wasn't old school in any way despite selling itself as that, which is why it's appeal fizzled outC&C fizzled out after its initial success because of three reasons. The first being the glut of competitors that came in its wake, including WotC porting over older adventures and even just reprinting older editions. The second is that they went whole hog on the Gygax train, with all future plans for the game centered around the man, who's death really fucked them because Gygax's widow started a lawsuit that tied them up for years. 2008 was supposed to be the big launch of C&C Basic, but things went to shit for the company with Gygax's death. The third is just honestly that C&C wasn't very good. But, you don't need to be good in order to be one of the first OSR games and to help open up a path for many other OSR games to follow, including OSRIC. OSRIC really is mostly just a footnote that never was all that popular, and even though it was free to download and free for publishers to make OSRIC compatible material, few publishers bothered to do so. Even Finch went on with S&W because he found that the retroclone had failed to launch.>you're just straight up making shit upThere's still posts on Dragonsfoot that reference the flame wars, and even how the TLG forums ended up just banning mentions of OSRIC to try and get rid of the trolls.There's a lot of old OSR material still up on DF. There's even a post from someone who worked on OSRIC who explicitly mentions C&C as their precedent for legal concerns.
>>97576504>Raggi, Zak Smith, Rpgpundit are now all bizarre, 50-something, impoverished manchildrenWhat else is there to say?Also the fact that he based the titular "Flame Princess" on an ex-girlfriend and insists on having artwork of her being killed in incredibly gruesome ways is pretty creepy desu.
>>97593995Not even an ex, IIRC. Just some woman that rejected him.
>>97578012I fucking hate that piece of shit, but none a single one of those findings is rape. Asshole manipulator behavior? Sure. But not rape. Not even the "loosen up" pillow thing. Someone saying it "hurts" and continuing to fuck isn't rape. I'm aware that the whole "enthusiastic consent is the only consent" thing is super vogue right now, but there's actually some nuance here where people complain sex hurts without withdrawing consent. And, presumably, consent was given prior to the sex act (assumed at default or we should expect it to be among the findings). Nobody established that consent was withdrawn. Shit like this is how the "1 in 3 women have been sexually assaulted" bullshit statistic happen.
I recall the judge in Zak's rape trial saying there was no evidence of physical abuse, but that he found the claims of emotional abuse "credible". I think if you read between the lines he's just such an obnoxious asshole that trying to live with him at all is inherently damaging, whether he meant it or not.
>>97597624Dude has a major wannabe cult leader vibe in general.
>>97597624Yeah, I don't think anybody's suggesting that he isn't a gigantic asshole, his online antics alone prove that amply. It's just that that has no actual connection witht he accusations against him, which are clearly false and confected by a BPDmon.It's a pure case of that quote by Mencken, "the trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels."
>>97576943I bet they'd play VtM if you described it to them
>>97576504>guys who founded OSR>bizarre, 50-something, impoverished manchildrenBit redundant innit?
>>97577046>Unc'sLet's normalize the mass reporting of retards who keep bringing up Twitter and other cringe outsider lingo to this place and lowering the quality every day.
>>97597624I shared a discord server (A few actually) with him for a time and yeah that sounds about right. Most OSR people are incredibly obnoxious, honestly, but Zak dulled me to their below averageness with the sheer intensity of his spergouts.
>>97597672>confected by a BPDmonI think this is the thing people miss. The relationship I was in with someone who had BDP basically ruined my life and left me an alcoholic shell of a human being for half a decade. His story 100 % checks out to me.
>>97598620>Let's normalize the mass reporting of retards who keep bringing up Twitter and other cringe outsider lingo to this place and lowering the quality every day.Agreed! Let's post some of your favorite rpg art instead.
>>97597672>>97598701Meh, Zak is an intolerable psychotic asshole who wants anyone who disagrees with him lined up against a wall, no sympathy for him.
>>97577096>Pundit is good and more insightful about game design than 95% of rpg YoutubersHe might be a good guy idk I don't watch youtube but this is the equivalent of saying "He's taller than 95% of pygmies"
>>97598806Zak should show up at his local mosque with his 50 year old cosplay and she how he's welcomed with his "I'm a bad ass jew" internet schtick.
>>97598806>A man disagreed with me about role playing games on the Internet!>That's literally the same as genocide!You sound like a snowflake.
>>97598843>You sound like a snowflake.Fuck off zak. Go cry more about being forced on to food stamps (paid for by the goys, of course)
>>97598843>>A man disagreed with me about role playing games on the Internet!>>That's literally the same as genocide!That has practically been Zak's reaction to being disagreed with before, yeah.I remember one time someone talked about a review of Arrows of Indra (an OSR game inspired by Indian mythology (no relation to modern India thank God)) from Fatal & Friends, and Zak lost his everliving shit on on the poor jeet for saying their review was on point. When the Jeet pointed out that he doesn't judge books by their cover and found it ironic that Zak would want him to given his reputation, Zak proceeded to call him an evil psychopath who wants to kill all Jews. And when one of the server mods told him to calm down he proceeded to call him an evil psychopath too.
>>97598701>I think this is the thing people miss.Few of the people who went after him missed it. They were totally aware, it was just the vulnerability they needed to go after someone they already hated, so they played along with believing it.
>>97598835>"weird hypersexual left-wing antisocial art IS a Jewish conspiracy ackchually"Sometimes I think he doesn't quite grasp how he comes off to an outside observer.
>>97599527Wait I replied to the wrong one, I meant >>97598904
>>97598806I don't think anyone should think Zak is a good person or that he's worthy of being considered some kind of important figure. He's a jackass and a retard. He tried to position himself as King Shit of Faggot Mountain, tried to become famous for playing elf games with women who fuck on camera for money, and curated the communities he had power over to only be filled with sanctimonius assholes like himself. The research article linked earlier in the thread that exposed the witch hunt cancel mob that went after him tried to frame him as just being the kind of guy who would tell people not to lie about things they couldn't prove, but he was and still like that about everything. He thinks he knows better than everyone about anything. He's genuinely fucking obnoxious. The only catch to that whole debacle is that the things they accused him of didn't happen. That's it. They made up excuses to cancel him because being an abrasive shithead is a trait that everyone in his ex-social circle shared. So they lied about him to destroyed his career and life. So tl;dr is that he's a retard and an asshole who was lied about by people who are exactly like him. He didn't do the things they accused him of, but that's about it. Being the victim of the culture he supported doesn't absolve him of all other failings and make him /ourguy/ or whatever.
>>97599679Pretty much.
>>97599679>Being the victim of the culture he supported doesn't absolve him of all other failings and make him /ourguy/ or whatever.I can't be bothered to reread the whole thing, but has literally anyone in this thread suggested that he is? Or indeed anything other than a humongous bandwagoning faggot? The most I've seen is a sentiment that we have to resist every instance of WISTEN AND HABEEB regardless of how gay the victim is.
whenever i've been to conventions, he sort of just talks to whoever he's brought with him and acts like customers are a nuisance (no, not just me).the dude's obviously a good businessman in some way, but it's fascinating. imagine any sort of book or zine fair where an author has a nice stall, everything's very polished, but people specifically AVOID that table.all the other 'i have a line of indie RPGs!' tables get actual queues. what gives?
>>97599845There's a few tranny faggots in the thread who seem to deeply believe that Zak is actually a rapist and a wife beater, even though the people who accused him of those things admitted they just made it up, but since all the defendants in the defamation cases settled out of court instead of holding to their verifiably false statements, said tranny faggots are acting like the accusations are legitimate and that anyone saying otherwise is a Zak fanboy.
>>97600223>the dude's obviously a good businessman in some way,I mean, living hand to mouth in a tiny Finland apartment with no savings and, I doubt, access to Finland's generous welfare system since he's not a violent African migrant, does not a good businessman make.
>>97600418Zak, you might stand to convince someone that anyone cares about you in even a neutral way if you didn't make it clear just how unlikable you are. You reek of several layers of psychosis even when you're pretending to be the hypothetical only other person on the planet who's gonna rise up to defend you.Man, it really sucks that when reddit bans trolls, those trolls decide they need to try and make 4chan their new home.
>>97600467Thanks for proving my point. After elaborately describing how Zak is an obnoxious faggot and explaining why someone might need to clarify why there's no reason to like him, just that the accusations were provably false, a tranny faggot rushes out to accuse others of being Zak.Crawl back to your dead SWORDDREAM discord, tranny faggot.
>>97600485Zak, just shut the fuck up. If you want to argue about your court case, do it with lawyers, in court, and not while pretending to be a guy who's got no fucking clue about a matter but still feels the need to opine on it all because he's gay for you. T
>>97599679Its this. Guy's a fuckhead grifter who was in competition with other fuckhead grifters for a niche community of politically opinionated>creatives It was fun for a bit to get more artsy orientation for osr material. It has also been fun watching the various fragmentations go do their own things, including eat themselves.
>>97600485No, you don't understand, one time Zak was slightly mean to me on the Internet, which is basically literally assault, so he totally deserves everything bad that happened to him. What, do I have proof that he ever said anything? Uuuuh, no, fuck you, shut up.
I think that James has a good heart and I wish him continued (renewed?) success. The importance of LotFP as a publishing venture is most obvious for me when stood against RPG slop-modernism (5E, the recent run of games where you play as high schoolers? Etc.) and breaking some of the stylistic shackles in the broader OSR scene. I think some of the works he publishes are more valuable as literature than as game materials, which takes away nothing from them. I am very glad the world has:- Vornheim- Lamentations- Veins of the Earth- Death Frost Doom- The Carcosa reprint- A Red and Pleasant Land- True Relation of the Virginia DisastrumAnd I’ve read anecdotally that he’s a very generous business partner to the authors and artists.
>>97600534Dilate about it, retard.
