>>97584708
idk what your schizotext is implying but tc dying is entirely their own fault

>>97584708
They have changed their business model twice (each increasing corpo control) before clearing Kickstarter orders, and backtracked on basic fucking decency of hobbyist permissions to make and bring their own starting from EXPLICITLY stating they would not pull a GW on that.

Face it, Trench Crusade is run by a colon-rupturing faggot of faggots, irrespective of the character of the people grifting on pointing it out.

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>>97584708
It's so funny that your last thread blew up so badly in your face that you felt the need to try again almost bar for bar, right down to seething about e-celebs as your primary focus. I can only assume you're doing it out of financial obligation, but given it's TC I can't imagine they can afford to pay you. You backed their rugpull, didn't you? You bought the more-expensive-than-GW's-slop minis?

Jewing out is the best move TC could've made and it's the move they HAD to make if they wanted to make money. They know what paypiggies GW fans are and know how they can (and should) be taken advantage of. The GW paypiggy has the innate desire to be ruled by Jewish masters, they won't buy into the game unless the company behind it is the most Jewish company possible. Appealing sensible shoppers or principled consumers is a losing strategy when it comes to grimderp slop

>>97584708
It's not slander if it's true. Have you tried not becoming a greedy corpo the first chance you get?

>I janovich lebased death korps of Krieg guy who hasn’t animated in years btw am not obsessed over trench crusade
>ignore I talk with arch
>Ignore I have already major biases against trench crusade

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Can someone explain the appeal of sloptubers to me

>>97584800
Its 40k chuds infesting the hobby, janovich tries to look like an objective analyst but it’s clear it’s due to politics

>>97584800
I assume your question is rhetorical, but I'll bite: 99 percent of this shit is second screen content, shit that you put in the background when you're playing vidya or working your email job or whatever. Or, there is a lot of slop out there specifically made to fall asleep too. That's the appeal, it's something you can half pay attention to while you're doing something else, or something that puts you to sleep.

>friends are building a TC board for a tabletop convention next month

oooof

>>97584830
you should choose better background content. instead of random autists trying to fill airtime with whatever the flavor of the week is because they want to be YouTubers and streamers instead of getting jobs, you could put on things that are actually good for you or at least not actively enabling degenerates. like lectures or documentaries, for example. you don't have to listen to garbage just because you're not fully paying attention

>>97584875
I was answering your question, I don't watch/listen to this tripe.

>>97584833
>your friends are hobbying, making terrain, and socializing

Why aren't you joining them?

Who the fuck is janovich anyway

>>97584708
>a multi-year meltdown because someone told you that they didn't want your money
What causes this mental illness?

>>97584708
>Create IP about a war between Crusaders and Demons
>Berate your customers for enjoying your own lore, because "DEUS VULT" memes are chud coded and evil
They chose the fucking setting. They created it. I just don't understand what the fuck they were thinking. They're alienating their own customers on purpose, and then getting enraged when their customers leave. Forget politics for a second, that's just objectively retarded from a rational standpoint.
If they didn't want people to like their setting, they should have done something else. It's like watching a retard hit himself in the face with a hammer and then blaming everyone else for it.
Huh?
What?

>>97584708
>create a blasphemous setting
>fail spectacularly
Who could have seen this coming

>>97584708
the reality is that TC did nothing wrong but people these days just want to leech off other peoples intellectual work and labor and then moan about how AI slop is taking over. the hobby is completely dead so dont even bother engaging in it.

>>97585059
This only happened in your head, not irl.

>>97585008
An animator who doesn’t animate

>>97584800
Zoomers don't have real friendships so they form parasocial relationships with YouTubers instead.

>>97584770
They are not required to immediately max out on margins by desperately hunting for niggercattle right out of the gate. They are in fact allowed to slowly grow as a niche product to acquire their own niggercattle naturally, but instead they started abandoning the bait before they even had products on shelves.

>>97585396
No, they form quasisocial relationships on Discord, usually being groomed in the process.

it got captured by the lgbt movement
lgbt = toxic

They literally unironically discriminate against straight males, women, white and other minorities

>>97584797
>buck breaked by a Nord
Lel

>>97585189
>if I gaslight hard enough surely THIS time it will convince people
They're not sending their best.

It is bizarre how mindbroken Arch and his discord became over being rejected from tc. We get 2-3 of these threads every day. Outside of 3 drama youtubers and /tg/ you don’t see any of this shit.

>>97585410
>They are not required to immediately max out on margins by desperately hunting for niggercattle right out of the gate

I don't see why GW trannies would deserve any better treatment than that

>>97585437
>Buckbroken by fictional lore created purely to sell plastic toys

>>97584833
There's like six other games you'll be able to use it for before you even have to consider warhammer or warhammer with a finger under its nose, so it'll be fine.

>>97585159
>Create community with explicit counterculture stick-it-to-da-man vibes
>Almost immediately jew out so hard that people are like woah cool it with the antisemitism there bud
>It's the children who're wrong
It took GW 30 years to go from collabourative hobby to soul-sucking corporate sellouts, TC tried to make the same journey in mere months. Even if you are the kind of craven poofter who gleefully cheers on people who fuck you over because you worship Capital like the sucker you are, you still can't say they did *nothing* wrong because they fucked up the implementation: you have to boil the frog slowly or it jumps out of the pot, and they turned up the heat too fast.

>>97585460
They're REALLY mad they got gatekept.

>>97585960
>counterculture stick it to the man vibes
Why are you surprised the counterculture stick it to the man types reject the people who are currently in power?

>>97586169
leftists think gatekeeping is banning the actual fans of a thing. Just banning anyone they dont like, like straight males

>>97585960
>It took GW 30 years
>no that can't be right it was like yester...
>looks up company founding date
Shit. I got old.

>>97585960
The “community” was literally Tuomas, a lib, and Mike, a lib, and initial supporters in the continuing Mordheim/Inq28 community who are mostly leftist freaks. When the female Custodes hit Arch decided TC would be the chud game instead, did zero research into who was behind it, and threw a strop over not being invited to play after committing. And that tantrum continues to this day. Ten minutes of googling could have saved us all a lot of bother.

>>97586215
Conservatives are entirely illiterate, and are unable to respond to any post like a human.

>>97586216
We can't help it, anon. We all get older. Except for my cousin David.

>>97585960
The children aren't wrong, the children deserve to be swindled and abused because they're tranny GW fans

>>97585960
>explicit counterculture stick-it-to-da-man vibes
Fucking where?

>>97586230
The constant history of america is conservatives getting REALLY ANGRY the thing they like is made by liberals.

>>97586252
It’s just like, imagine this energy was directed to propping up a game he probably would have fit in better with like Konflikt 47 or Chain of Command. But I guess the real point here is to farm youtube views.

>>97586230
Their choice of setting means it still stands, because the natural market for the first-wave impressions by anyone NOT intimately familiar with the exact people making it beyond anything in the content itself is in fact Chutler The Kebab Removalist. They made a setting about explicitly-Christian armies fighting The Literal Forces Of Hell then were shocked and appalled that the people who portray their actual political views as exactly such were a dominant faction of the word-of-mouth spread.

>>97586246
Being overtly Christian with "Demons Bad" is, in fact, "the counterculture" to Globohomo that so thoroughly infests entertainment.

>>97586290
So you're telling me that the extremely populous group that currently is running the world's largest government is counterculture?
Yes, yes, I see, you're profoundly retarded.

>>97586290
>because the natural market for the first-wave impressions by anyone NOT intimately familiar with the exact people making it beyond anything in the content itself is in fact Chutler The Kebab Removalist
Is this theory borne out by the kickstarter backers of the game’s wider adoption? Were they all rapid Crusader chuds? Or is this just Arch’s community desperately coping to find some justification for it not being OK to tell him to fuck off? I mean they had the muslim faction in from pretty early on.

>>97585437
>Nord
No such thing.

>>97586311
You see, gatekeeping is only for based chuds. When it's done by liberals, it's evil and wrong and how DARE they say I'm not wanted!

>>97586215
>actual fans
Spending 3 years raving about being asked to leave a gay discord is modelless behaviour.

>>97586327
God, I always forget this is all about being kicked out of a fucking discord server.
How pathetic.

I like how so many dumbasses in here are ignoring that the video is almost entirely over their business practices and shit like ignoring that everyone was telling them about resin traps or how they are doing shady copyright bullshit. But oh no, it's critical of TC so it must be for political reasons only.

TC fans really are all beyond retarded.

>>97586243
Should we assume David has since passed?
>>97584916
TC is a lost cause but he right. Don't bitch about online bullshit too much and go build some semi historical terrain.

>>97586302
"The world's largest government" would be the Chinese, and "Globohomo" refers to an explicitly-internationalist coalition of shitlibs even larger than that. Meanwhile, when you look at major entertainment sources, it is an utter pain in the ass to find any large modern producers not doubling down on said internationalist shitlib coalition, which are almost all falling off in accordance with the culture finally starting to rip out their foundations and the loss of competency said internationalist shitlibery entails.

>>97586311
If Arch's community looking at his reporting on Trench Crusade and getting this impression as he did is in fact larger than any of their pre-established channels of outreach, the statement remains true. Just because it's from a random influencer "getting the wrong idea" does not change the causal mechanism for WHY the wrong idea was gotten because it still had to be obvious enough a conclusion for a large part of his audience to agree with him, which still rests on the creators being fucking retards in thinking through what the audience their work would naturally draw.

Because if the ONLY reason you can substantiate for why it was "clearly wrong" day one is the past track record of a niche player in the already anemic non-Warhammer wargaming market, then you just don't understand how brands draw crowds. It is not exactly a rare thing for sudden breakout successes to be for reasons at odds with the creator's intent. To this day, Alan Moor attempts to shit on Rorschach fans for "not getting it", bitterly refusing to accept that his story simply makes more sense under interpretations that disagree with him.

>>97586428
>China is bigger, actually
lol, chang over here is pissed that america eclipses them.

>>97586450
>>97586428
so, since you're a chinese worker being paid to spread propaganda, I know you're not kept up on the news, but america is currently controlled by conservatives.
And, despite the propaganda you may hear in your country, america is the strongest.

>>97586450
>lol, chang over here is pissed that america eclipses them.
I do not use "the world's largest government" as a term of endearment, but of actual scale. If you meant "the world's MOST POWERFUL government", you should have used those words first, because it is in fact very easy for a government to bloat to utter insanity to be "the largest" yet a dysfunctional wreck. Indeed, these are strongly correlated.

And de-jure totalitarian communist regimes are exceptionally "efficient" at that. Do you have the slightest idea how cataclysmically fucked the US government would have to be to reach four times the per-capita scale of the CCP?

>>97586455
>I know you're not kept up on the news, but america is currently controlled by conservatives.
But the actual people in charge are not "New Crusade Now" religious-right types at any appreciable scale, as is the point in contention. Because unlike Europe, our prevailing immigration problems are mostly different Christians, not Islamists.

>>97586493
Look, chang, it might be hard to understand, but america currently controls the world, and are THE man in question.
There is no man that is more the man than america. Which is controlled by conservatives.

The counter-culture thing to do would be to be openly faggy, at least until such time as the conservatives no longer have complete control.

>>97586428
>To this day, Alan Moor attempts to shit on Rorschach fans for "not getting it", bitterly refusing to accept that his story simply makes more sense under interpretations that disagree with him.
Oh, so you're not just a retard, you're an illiterate retard.

>>97584734
Oh ok, so when were you banned from the discord?

>>97586504
t. Got asswhooped by the Houthis and Taliban

>>97586504
I repeat, "big government" does not mean "strong government"; I am denigrating the CCP for being a bloated mess. Similarly, "counterculture" does not mean "against the government", denigrating the shitlibs for pretending at resistance when the ludicrous bulk of political signaling is behind them.

>>97586542
He literally rages at people for siding with the one guy who shows actual principles.

>>97586425
No, he's actually getting younger.

>>97585059
Don't forget throwing a bitch fit because somebody asked what was happening in the Americas in the setting.

>>97586569
There's someone on their team that really, really needs to get fucking fired. I imagine it's just one deranged leftist sinking the brand in one botched social media encounter after another.
Imagine going from a promising game people are excited about to a controversial dumpster fire just because the retarded leftists on your payroll can't stop lolcowing on shitter.

>>97586594
"cancel culture for thee not for me"
reminder that you don't hate chuds enough

>>97586425
Nah David got that Benjamin Button thing going on

>>97586569
Them trying to say the fucking Aztecs of all people are on the side that's against blood sacrifices to demons because you can't have brown people be bad guys is the funniest thing to come out of this entire thing.

>>97586651
Weren't the real-life Aztecs so roundly despised that pretty much every indigenous nation in the region sided with the conquistadors against them?

>>97586561
>He literally rages at people for siding with the one guy who shows actual principles.
Rorshach is a childish, ineffectual hypocrite who commits suicide at the end of the book because is too cowardly to have the courage of his convictions. The fact that you don't get that, and somehow think he's somehow an admirable character, is both funny, and sad proof of your functional illiteracy.

>>97586604
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T START USING THE TACTICS WE'VE BEEN USING FOR DECADES THAT'S NOT FAIRRRRR
lol
the woke tourist cries out in pain as he limp wristedly slaps you

>>97584708
>tranny crusade retards called out for sperging on anyone who points out even the smallest problem with the game they've dedicated their lives to, for some reason
>when confronted with numerous, substantial and thoroughly sourced claims against the game and the company behind it, they resort to lying.
This is why no one likes you and why the game will be dead within the year.

>>97584825
What politics? Cite them. We'll wait.

>>97585059
>I just don't understand what the fuck they were thinking.
Probably something like
>we're gonna beat Warhammer at its own game by being GRIMMER and DARKER
However, because the faggot in charge of TC is a verifiably midwit, he didn't actually stop to realize the kind of people who actually buy and play grimdark wargames and care about this sort of historical shit, clash with corpo poz and reddit trannies. He mythologized the creation of the game, knowing he was throwing shit at the wall, and then panicked when the "wrong" customers showed up.

>>97586783
>Rorshach is a childish, ineffectual hypocrite who commits suicide at the end of the book because is too cowardly to have the courage of his convictions.
..."I'm not going to shut up about your bullshit machiavelian plot unless you kill me" is in fact the courage of convictions, standing for principles rather than goals.

>>97586783
At the end of the story, he already mailed all the evidence he had anyways. One way or the other, the story was getting out, and despite his omniscience, Doc Manhattan proved to be a petty, short-sighted whiner who cared enough to kill Rorschach, but didn't care enough to actually check if anything he was doing was going to matter or make a difference. So he killed the guy who cared for the sake of a retarded plan that was doomed to fall apart sooner or alter anyways.

when did you realise leftists are autists and not the smart kind?
Every damn poltard thread like this is the same gaggle of leftard poltard spergs repeating the same shit ad nauseum.
They are fucking morons

>>97586746
Yeah but that wasn't because of human sacrifice. Every race and nation practiced human sacrifice. They hated the Aztecs for making them offer up luxury goods like quills, papyrus, and cocoa up as taxes. The human sacrifice was never a problem.

>>97586866
Wouldn't he have fought Veidt and Dr. Manhattan if he had true courage? Not just send his entire notebook unraveling the mystery to the comic book equivalent of the Daily Sun?

>>97586878
But it didn't fall apart? The peace forged held for more than 40 years, going by the sequel series.

>>97586915
>/pol/fag seething about leftists
lol

>>97586561
Again, you're the man, you're as far from counterculture as is possible.
Counterculture is, by definition, the opposite of you.

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>>97586548
>>97586604

>>97586816
>Seething about bog standard boycotts now
lol

>>97586940
>/tg/ - Butthurt Redditors Try To Create Another Leftist Liberal Hugbox While Crying About /pol/ In Every Thread

>>97586938
that shit wasn't canon

>>97586970
>seething at being outed as an invader yet again
lol

>>97586974
I'm not sure why conservatives keep pretending they haven't been saying tabletop is for faggots and demons for the last two generations.

>>97586932
..."Fought" how, exactly? The utter triviality of his annihilation has become a meme. The only kind of pushback he was capable of was exactly what he did, quietly outing it to an org that'd give it SOME circulation and bluntly the machiavellian bullshit to actually be personal.

>>97586948
>Again, you're the man
Again, "counterculture" does not mean "against the government". Are you incapable of wrapping your head around the idea that the culture exists outside the government? Do you need a twenty-post rundown of how institutional influence, bureaucrats persistent between administrations, elite "high culture", wealth feedback loops, and sundry other things make up vastly more of "the man" than the letter next to the name of the guy in the big chair?

>>97586985
Again, you ARE the man. Counterculture is by definition against you. I'm sorry this concept is too complex for you.

>>97586878
>despite his omniscience, Doc Manhattan
Doc Manhatten didn't have omniscience. He was experiencing time non-linearly. Did you read the book?

And, instead of commiting suicide by blue dong, wouldn't the braver thing have been to lie for a little while, and then go back to civilization and tell his story? He didn't do that, because he was a hypocrite and a coward.

>>97586976
Because it wasn't conservatives. It was small town religious zealots who were are the forefront of the Satanic Panic and every other moral panic. The overwhelming majority of people of any political party never really gave a fuck, but over-sensationalized the backwards and regressive behaviors of an extreme minority to use as a wedge issue against their opponents.

>>97586985
>"Fought" how, exactly?
In literally any way he could? You're trying to paint him as an admirable figure, but he literally gave up when the going got tough.

>>97587016
>it wasn't conservatives, it was the conservatives
I'm not sure why you people keep trying to pretend you didn't do this.

>>97586866
>standing for principles rather than goals.


That's a big old pile of cope if I've ever seen it. He committed suicide, because he was too cowardly to do anything else. You're trying to, at the same time, paint him as a super brave principled hero, was also trying to laud him for literally quitting.

>>97587008
He had near-total awareness of the entire universe, past present and future. He just can't see outside of the timeline he's in. Did you read it? Even if he couldn't see the exact way the future would play out, he was aware of everything happening in the present. He just didn't care to look because he's a whiny bitch who felt like he was too important to actually do anything good for anyone, except when it came to intervene to protect Ozzy's retarded plan.

>>97587030
>>97587016
also, no, it was incredibly widespread for conservatives to shit on all things tabletop as for fags, demons, nerds, etcetera.

>>97586562
>>97586634
Dear lord.

>>97587030
Leftists sensationalized it as widespread conservative outrage to make them look foolish. Conservatives sensationalized it as a widespread cultural movement against lefty degeneracy and moral decay. The actual people burning books and pushing for extreme action against Satanic influences were extremely tiny fringe psychos who were already in the habit of burning and protesting anything and everything. If not for the high politicized hyperbolizing of their behavior, most people would not have cared and ignored them as the rural idiots they actually were.

>>97587036
>incredibly widespread
Citation fucking needed. The Satanic Panic didn't even slow down D&D's sales and it continues to exist to this day. Same with metal music and Elvis's suggestive hip movements.

>>97587057
Anon, not only was the satanic panic more widespread than you dishonestly argue, you guys CONTINUED saying it was for fags and demons ever since.
You haven't even stopped nowadays, you still do it, you just pretend you're an outraged player now that your last strategy didn't work.

>>97586993
>Again, you ARE the man. Counterculture is by definition against you.
Again, "counterculture". Does not mean. "Against the government". There are other institutions comprising "the man", and the sum of them remains slanted Left, because they were not instantaneously beheaded to be gifted to chuds as spoils the day the orange man returned to the big chair. We are presently in the middle of shitshows over actual laws being passed obligating the intelligence agencies to release files and refusing to do so.

>>97587008
...He was a hypocrite and a coward for NOT compromising his principles by lying? Get it through your thick fucking skull, the man is a deontologist who values the truth, not a consequentialist. The man literally says "never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon".

>>97587018
He did not "give up". He stuck to the premises of his moral compass ESPECIALLY on pain of death. You just can't wrap your head around people appreciating actually taking such things so seriously as to not "put it on pause" for base pragmatism.

>>97587032
How is it "quitting" to bluntly state your intention to reveal the conspiracy unless directly stopped, when openness of information is the principle behind why you're doing it in the first place?

>>97587085
>It doesn't mean against the government!
Then you're not counterculture, retard.

>>97586746
The conquistadors actually joined a pre-existing alliance that was militarily opposed to the Aztecs. The Aztecs meanwhile were farming surrounding nations almost literally, carefully timing their slave/sacrifice raids to not devastate the next generation of sacrificial slave-cattle. They're up there with the Dahomey and Spartans as far as retardedly brutal empires go.

>>97587051
Nothing we can do, the government is already aware of it.

>>97587091
No, it's you not understanding that the government, the culture, and "the man" are not the same thing. "Counterculture's" anti-authority bent is not just hard state power, but outright focuses more on softer powers like churches, corporations, universities, mass media, and sundry other "high culture" markers than what letter is next to the name of the guy in the big chair, who happens to be very thoroughly not a "high culture" guy himself.

>>97584708
Buy an ad.

>>97587159
Yes yes, you're upset that you are in fact in charge right now and thus the man, and want to weasel your way out of it, I know.

>>97587085
So, in your mind, lying to escape so he could attempt to expose Adrian is somehow a worse sin than quitting and commiting suicide?

You have very stupid morals.

>>97587091
So this is the power of Media Literacy... whoa...

>>97587085
>The man literally says "never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon".
So, killing himself so he didn't have to lie, instead of escaping so he could live to fight another day, isn't a compromise?

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>>97586938
It fell apart in Doomsday Clock, yeah. Then Superman makes Dr. Manhattan less depressed, so he comes back to his old universe and fixes literally everything, then adopts a kid he decides should become the Superman of his universe, and passes all of his powers onto him. Sometime later, an evil dark matter nightmare version of Batman with Joker's insanity ambushed and lobotomised a version of Batman with Dr. Manhattan's powers, which he used to become a cosmic entity hellbent on defeating the Girl Demiurge who created the first version of DC's multiverse and turning all of DC into a giant cosmic gun to shoot the Super Celestials (which are like angels but on a bigger scale, who create multiverses on God's orders which are supposed to have a finite lifespan; it turns out the DC multiverse, which the Watchmen universe was retconned into being part of, was an anomalous multiverse because it's Super Celestial decided she wanted to live forever along with her creation. Oh yeah, multiverses are supposed to eventually die. God wills it) and Monitor-Mind (which is God but the facet of himself not bound to a singular multiverse) to death.

Yes, this is canon.

>>97587035
No, Jesus fucking Christ. He was experiencing HIS OWN TIMELINE NONSEQUENTIALLY. He wasn't aware of anything that he didn't specifically experience himself, or consume second hand. Watchmen is clear and consistent about this. Holy fucking complete failure of reading comprehension, Batman.

>>97587202
John's is like the other idiot in this thread who thinks that Manhatten is somehow omniscient, so anything he's written on the subject can safely be ignored.

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>>97584825
Anyone who says "chud" unironically has subversive tendencies in their bloodline

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>>97587217
The best thing I can say for Johns is that at least he isn't Tom King, who is writing Wonder Woman while blatantly erect at the prospect of being stepped on and spat at by one of Johns' creations.

>>97587208
>>97587217
In all fairness, I think Johns ATTEMPTED to portray this to an extent in Doomsday Clock. It's just that he got so wrapped up in his "muh hope" aesop that he felt the need to lead into that with Dr. Manhattan getting a power trip over toying with Superman's life (turning his father into a supervillain, vaporising Owlman, Pandora and Metron for almost learning about him, and retroactively being responsible for 90% of the New 52. The other 10% was Professor Zoom shitposting the Flash so hard he retroactively became responsible for every bad decision in his life up to and including Flashpoint, but that's not important right now), THEN coming up with some schizobabble about the multiverse rejecting him like an immune system which turned out to be disproven because Manhattan forgot about how his own powers worked and decided the "future vision" of Superman lunging at him followed by darkness was absolutely and definitely how his nonlinearity worked and accepted his fate like a retard. Which then turned out to not be true, surprise surprise.

So yeah, Johns either doesn't get Manhattan's powers or deliberately made Jon retarded to have his dumb suspense-driven cliffhanger in issue #10. But that's not even the really stupid parts. The first really stupid part is that you're unironically supposed to believe the same man who responded to public outcry against him on Earth led by his cancer-ridden wife by leaving for Mars would respond to Superman by jealously and spitefully ruining his life.

>>97587181
No, you're just stuck in a shallow "the guy in the big chair is in charge" conceptualization, completely ignoring the absolutely endless litany of fuckery that was the first term and all the shit still pushing against as it has been for something like sixty fucking years.

>>97587182
How is direct confrontation in which another annihilated him "quitting and committing suicide"?

>>97587192
Correct. Because he's a deontologist, not any flavor of consequentialist. Are you simply incapable of grasping that people can find another dying to hold to his hard rules admirable, even understanding that it's not the PRACTICAL thing to do and said rules are a poor set?

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>>97587217
The second really stupid part is despite Manhattan's powers ballooning to completely unprecedented, cosmic heights after leaving his universe for no particular reason (either that or you're supposed to believe he was ALWAYS that powerful given a throwaway line from Death Metal about...you know what, for the sake of your mental health don't even bother. All you have to know is that an even worse writer than Johns declared that Dr. Manhattan's powers aren't even fundamentally "just" being unravelled into an intrinsic field with intuitive manipulation of fundamental subatomic forces-you know, like the Captain Atom expy he is-but ackshyually a font of the heroic self-sacrificing semi-metafictional energy underlying DC multiverses. It's as stupid and poorly explained as it sounds) that you are supposed to believe he is still vulnerable to Adrian Veidt's little tachyon trick because Adrian cloned Bubastis and the clone somehow preserved some of Manhattan's radiation and THAT alone is supposedly somehow enough to screw with his nonlinear vision.

What I'm saying is that isn't even the most egregious fuckup Johns did trying to depict Manhattan fistfighting DC superheroes, itself a premise so absurd it belongs in a /co/ shitpost thread not. Well. DC canon.

>>97587298
I'm sorry anon, you ARE the man. This is how it works. The guy in charge is the guy in charge.

>>97584724
Can I get a rundown of why it is “dying” beyond culture war shit?

I will give trench crusade credit for including a Muslim faction and presenting it the way they have at face value (before getting into lore details) decided to as it seems when misrepresenting abrahamic faiths one has the highest chance of getting violent retribution when it comes to Islam.
Not saying it doesn’t happen concerning the other religions. It just seems Christianity is the easiest and most acceptable target in modern media so when seeing Islam or anything related to it portrayed the way it is shows that the lads at trench crusade are very brave indeed.

>>97587298
So, alongside being a coward and a hypocrite, he's also a narcissist. He thinks his own personal code is more important than trying to seek justice. Not really admirable at all.

>>97587298
>Are you simply incapable of grasping that people can find another anything outside that one view they're going to be unable to see past?
Yes, they clearly are. They can't even understand different perspectives or ideological modes, let alone that understanding =/= agreeing with.
See, look >>97587446

>Capeshit
What Is this thread about?

>>97586548
>look who didn’t get invited to the island

>>97587523
The point out forward was that Alan Moore was wrong about his own work, because Rorschach was actually an admirable character and the only "good guy" in the book. I can understand that Rorschach claims to follow a very strict ideology (he actually doesn't, if you can read you'd get that), but his ideology is just an excuse in the end for him to commit suicide, because ultimately he's a coward. He isn't a hero, he isn't admirable, and in order to reach that conclusion, you either need to be functionally illiterate, purposefully ignore big parts of the fucking book, or only familiar with it from YouTube shorts. My assumption is a little bit of the former and a little bit of the latter, I don't think you're intelligent enough to purposefully ignore anything.

>>97587700
>To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand Watchmen

>>97587782
Nope, it's a comic book for teenagers. It's not complicated. The fact that you're completely incapable of reading it is damning rebuke of the state of literacy right now.

>>97587700
Alan Moore also seems to think that James Bond is an inherently evil monster who is indisputably more evil and deserving of death than, say, Mr. Hyde. Judging from the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen at least.

I think it's fair to take anything Moore has to say with a grain of salt. He used to be alright at writing, shall we say, dissenting worldviews to his own with a degree of nuance. But literally turning Harry Potter into the Moonchild/Antichrist kinda doesn't help his case. Though having Margaret Thatcher show up just to get shut down by Miracleman in an argument was fucking funny.

That said, I also think anons are extremely hyperbolic and overlook Rorschach's flaws (many of which you described) just because they're annoyed with Moore's soapboxing. Also I feel people are doing Nite Owl a bit of a disservice. Yes, he is basically a rich boy playing pretend but HE'S the one pointing this out, and at least his detective and scientific skills aren't fraudulent. He was friends with his predecessor, won Lauri over despite having a crippling spandex-based fetish and Rorsch himself tried to smile for him. Sure, the thrust of the story is that he ultimately wasn't the hero he literally got off on pretending to be and ultimately his hobby was wasteful and self-indulgent. But in a normie kind of way, he was a decent man.

>>97587796
>Alan Moore also seems to think that James Bond is an inherently evil monster
I mean, the canonical pop culture James Bond is a racist nobleman tool of a horrible colonial power and literal rapist and all around shithead.

>>97587815
Hello Alan. Your work is horribly overrated and your fans are pretentious fart-suckers.

>>97587815
An even more compelling argument would be that Bond was an ice cold killer in the first couple books, and noticeably warmed up over the series. Honestly I'm not exactly a Bond fan or anything, I'm just saying it feels a bit silly to single HIM out as The Great Evil Of Western Civilisation when his enemies are bald masterminds planning to take over the world from their moon bases or psychopathic Soviet bitches that get off on gunning men to death.

>literal rapist
Pussy Galore? I mean, sure Bond is a naughty boy and an implicit endorsement for both British glowies and classism, I'm just saying he could be much worse if he wanted to. He had Xenia at gunpoint and didn't touch her, for one.

I get it, Alan wants to be countercultural and call out overly lionised pop culture figures. I'm just saying I think it would've been more effective to portray Bond as a conflicted person and a product of the Cold War's conflict rather than this moustache-twiddling diddler if you REALLY wanted to turn public opinion against him, instead of just trying to constantly draw him as the soijack and your they/them waifu Orlando as the Chad (in a series where the protagonists repeatedly fuck up and end up accomplishing nothing on their own anyway)

>>97587825
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't really give a shit about Bond or Moore's portrayal of him, you might be right, his portrayal might be too far in the other direction. I just think the usual defense of Bond is along the lines of "how dare Moore kill off a bond expie bond is a heckin good guy," when, at least in the films, he's pretty consistently a piece of shit.

And yeah, I agree with the Harry Potter shit, Moore is definitely a bit of an "old is good, new is bad" kind of nerd. The Watchmen shit just kind of specifically pisses me off because you can only reach "absolutely good guy" Rorschach if you either cannot read, or completely ignore, not even subtext, but straight up the text of the book.

>>97584800
Sloptubers bank on social rejects that want a parasocial relationship with and ragebait and being generic background noise for people as they play vidya game or in the case of fa/tg/uys painting little miniatures.
Personally I would prefer music that doesn’t have lyrics for my adhd audio stimming or whatever the young autistic defects call it that older autistic defects like me don’t get.
>that pic
I’m all of those words.
I’m gonna kill myself.

>>97587858
Eh, fair enough. I always thought a lot of Bond's villains were cooler than him anyway, when your entire franchise is built around showcasing your luxurious lifestyle I have more respect for honest wealthy louches and degenerates than the British glowie who claims he's dutifully and diligently PRETENDING to enjoy his tuxedo, martini and women for god, queen and country. Just be honest about your power fantasies.

I read his Moon and Serpent Bumper Book of Magic. It's quite telling that Moore can go on and on about historical interpretations of magical practice (and give his headcanon about syncrestic interpretations of it; Moore would argue syncretism is at the heart of magic anyway) but when talking about how it's practiced in current year he just kind of dejectedly goes "Well, things aren't going so well but hopefully they'll improve?" rather than actually address tiktok witches or manifesting or whatever. It's very clear to me from that book that his idealistic aspirations have been quite firmly crushed at this point, not least because of how long it took for that book to come out.

>>97587874
I'm eternally grateful I found zefrank and FilmCow early in childhood, who raised my standards for gaming background noise to actually informative documentaries and short horror films instead of meaningless drama or political shitflinging.

>>97587875
>I always thought a lot of Bond's villains were cooler than him anyway
That's sort of interesting, wasn't there kind of a British fad in the early pulp comic magazines of having main characters that were more villains than heroes? Fu Manchu is kind of an example of that, isn't he?

>>97587878
My early internet video consumption was Lego stop motion videos like bionicle ones that are usually made by kids and I still fell into the trap of autism dopamine stims now.

I need it when reading rulebooks for wargames or role play games and painting minis.
I wish it wasn’t like this and even then I’m not sure what keywords to punch in to find the steps to fix myself so I can focus even at the table.

At least the slop if it is slop was made by kids for kids often times. That’s my cope.

>>97587927
>Lego stop motion videos
I recently remembered Clayworld existed from an audiodrama. It was a real flash in the pan, but I'm glad to have remembered it.

I think I would've fallen into the sloptube trap if I hadn't basically become addicted to reading novels long before it's rise, and now because of the bottom rung of the loser pyramid I overthink slop so hard I end up viscerally rejecting it to find long form content that actually produces a coherent experience for me. I can't actually get my dopamine unless I find the entire experience congruent and well-written, random noises and petty drama does nothing but piss me off.

>>97586317
no, retard, gatekeeping is for anyone to do but maybe you shouldn't make something that expressly appeals to the people you hate then act shocked when they're already inside the walls before you've even installed the moat. You want to kick those people out then you're free to do so but you shouldn't expect the crowd you actually want to come out and buy shit they don't want to buy.

>>97587700
>why didn't he just run away from the omniscient god staring right at him who thinks nothing of burying one more body amongst the millions to prevent the war
are you retarded? He already left his journal for others to find, he was willing to die before giving up on revealing the truth and dying was the only other possible option available

>>97587932
I really hope one day methods can be made to help a person free himself from slop.
Lord knows I’ve fallen into it and am still within its grippings.
But the problem is that “slop” slang has been used so much that I think it would muddy the search results.
Here’s hoping I can break free and get my dopamine receptors back so I can take joy again in painting my models and generally get shit that isn’t related to work done.

>>97587978
From what I've heard, therapists can prescribe you actual meds that stop you from feeling ADHD or other conditions that make you crash out digitally. The problem there is convincing your therapist you do in fact have a legitimate problem, and of course paying both the overblown fee for therapy as well as your dues to Big Pharma for the anti-autism jiuce.

>>97587947
1. Manhatten isn't omniscient. Holy fucking shit, people cannot read.
2. He was willing to die before giving up on revealing the truth? But he wasn't willing to wait for a little while, go back to civilization with his friends, and then do something about it? He was leaving, into a blizzard on the south fucking pole, without any cold weather gear. He was commiting suicide, because he couldn't reconcile the situation he was currently in. Blue dong just finished the job quicker.

>>97585448
You are gaslighting yourself, man.

>>97587985
>pay big pharma and big price for therapy.
I dunno. Maybe there are other factors I gotta consider before such a decision.
Also I live in Canada so I might get recommended to die instead.

They’ll find out tabletop stuff is one of the few things I still enjoy and recommend it.

>>97588101
Just stop watching slop all the time? It'll probably suck for awhile, but if you stick with it for like 4 days, it'll get exponentially easier. There isn't some quick fix, you just need to actually work at it and make incremental progress.

>>97586604
What you'll never understand is that for some people, this isn't direction-brain nonsense.
I actually expect people to conduct business like professionals. You ever get interrogated and yelled at about politics by a cashier at the grocery store? Probably not, because it's part of their job not to antagonize their customers.
This is common sense, yet it goes completely out the window when part of your job is to communicate on the internet.
All of a sudden, people think basic rules about civility don't apply anymore, and then they sacrifice their business, their prosperity, their fucking careers just because they take it for absolute granted they need to be able to bully people online even when they're functioning as a brand marketer.
The reason I hate that shit is because it's clownish idiocy. That's the reason everyone hates it. If you weren't a biased retard you'd be able to comprehend that. I don't care what the political angle is, if you have an employee devastating your ability to conduct business because they can't keep their opinions to themself, they need to fucking go. Doesn't matter what side they're on.
And by the way, there's a big difference between someone getting fired because of what they believe in their personal life and what they believe when their posting with their company's shitter account on social media.
I don't care what a cashier says on facebook when he's at home, I do think he needs to be fired when he says that kind of shit while he's at work in his little Wal-Mart vest.
>>97586860
Thus. Sums it up well. It's like they scientifically designed the setting so that it would attract a demographic they hate, then they made it clear they don't want the customers their IP is designed to attract, and now they're all surprised they're not making money and people think they're entitled idiots.

>>97585059
Don't forget Tuomas claiming to have a deep knowledge of history and then getting even the most basic of things wrong.
Or the ww1 setting where its all Trench warfare with bolt action rifles but at the same time there are jets and space programs
Or that they tried to copyright 'gothic harness knight with sallet and bevor but fat'
Or how they went back on all the promises they made during the kickstarter
Or the glow ups they keep giving to historically barbaric/outright evil nations like the Ottomans, Aztecs, and African tribes.
Or how the map makes no senses, especially when compared with the lore. Like how hell rules the sea, but the catholics own every island and have strike jets with missiles, and the random portals nonsensically scattered all over.
Or how self sacrifice to save your people from the foetus eating abortion rape demons and skin wearing flayer monsters is not a good thing actually but merely on par.
The devs did thus to themselves.

>>97588278
>Or how the map makes no senses, especially when compared with the lore
this is the worst thing

>>97588243
>people think they're entitled idiots.
People think they have a Californian mindset.

>>97587875
tbf that book of magic was partly written by Steve Moore, who died over a decade ago now, so I'm guessing Alan Moore didn't really bother with researching modern social media trends.
Maybe if he wrote a sequel to promethea he might, but that's never going to happen

>>97587939
Anon, conservatives have always moved into and tried to claim shit made by liberals. It's their way. Liberals simply have to tell them to fuck off every now and then, and then gatekeep against them, because conservatives are generally terrible and refuse to produce anything beautiful.

>>97584708
Janovich agrees that TC is dead and all the woke can do is cope

>>97588733
>Wokes were never interested in TC!
>Wokes are coping about TC being dead!
lol, these little shits are so assblasted about being kicked from a discord they can't even keep this shit straight.

>>97588733
How’s your prolapsed shitter?

>>97584708
Ane easy SPACE KING W.

>>97587927
>I need it when reading rulebooks for wargames or role play games and painting minis.
Get ahold of yourself woman.

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>Quar chums we have once again prevailed in face of adversity and uneven odds! Brave we stood our guard, unwavering, ready to meet the opponent heads-on and the opponent tripped over their own shoelaces, faceplanted in the mire. It is an exquisite day indeed.

>>97587208
>He was experiencing HIS OWN TIMELINE NONSEQUENTIALLY
Literally never said anywhere in the book. He experiences past, present, and future simultaneously. His inaction is based on determinism and that all things are already predestined and thus lacking in meaning. The only things he can't see are blocked by tachyons. Because he is a fundamentally passive and pathetic character, despite being the most powerful entity to ever exist, he pretends that things are unchangeable and decides to either not act because he's already simultaneously experiencing the future where it happened, or he simply doesn't care because he's so emotionally detached from humanity and Earth

The quality of the models is dog tier. I cant even sell the faction at a third of the price i paid for it.

>>97588749
Both can be true. In fact one can directly lead to the other.

>>97584708
This video showed up in my YouTube recommends. I was pretty shocked by how bad the STL issues were. I've made 3d models for printing before and never managed to make something with a giant cavity inside it, let alone multiple, thats crazy incompetent.

>>97586215
It literally is gatekeeping. It might not work out for them, but it definitely qualifies.

>>97589373
>He experiences past, present, and future simultaneously.
Yes, HIS OWN PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. At no point is he shown knowing things that he wasn't present for. He is present for every moment of his own timeline, except for the brief period with the tachyon disruption. We never see him reading minds, or remote reviewing, or anything like that. He is experiencing his own, personal timeline nonsequentially.

This is board dedicated to hobby that requires fucking reading, how are you people so fucking bad at it?

>>97586271
>Konflikt 47
Lmao

>>97589874
It doesn't even save that much resin unless you're making something that's crazy big. But then you'd most likely want to separate it into multiple pieces and assemble it later so the hollow area is just the concave side of a solid piece while printing and curing.

>>97589919
Simultaneous is not the same as nonsequential, which you keep insisting. Don't wave around your media literacy hat while demonstrating that you don't know what words mean, dipshit.

He can see the outcome of his own actions and decisions, but has decided that everything is set in stone anyways, or that him intervening won't make a difference in a long enough stretch of time. And yet, the one time he decides to do something, it's to protect an outcome which he knows is doomed to come undone anyways.

>>97590136
Fine, I used the term nonsequential wrong. It doesn't change the fact that he, at no point, experiences anything outside of his own timeline. He isn't omniscient.

>And yet, the one time he decides to do something, it's to protect an outcome which he knows is doomed to come undone anyways.
Which action do you think that is? Because he has no way of knowing that killing Rorshach won't protect the secret. He doesn't know that Rorshach has sent the journal to the paper. He has no way of knowing that, because he cannot read minds, and he is only experiencing his own timeline simultaneously. I'd argue that he isn't even killing Rorshach to protect the secret, he's killing Rorshach as a mercy because he's about to die in a blizzard in the north pole.

>>97590118
Aloof the cavities aren't due to intentional hollowing, they're just uncorrected errors left over from sculpting, it's a sub-begginer level of mistake and the models are riddled with them, its so unprofessional it would be unbelievable if the shit wasn't right there for anyone to look at and thats one of multiple issues.

>>97588707
Knowing very little about TC, I'd assumed it was somewhat chud-friendly. I'm sure these guys wouldn't be whining if this wargame was about, IDK, decolonisation and they weren't welcome; that'd be kind of expected

>>97588707
>because conservatives are generally terrible and refuse to produce anything beautiful.
The "refusal to produce anything beautiful" in media terms is partly because of holding other things as higher priorities than a nice story or pretty picture or whatever, partly because they're too busy making actual physical goods to have a solid chance, and partly because liberals ended up dominating almost all the big conglomerates from pressures not having much to do with relative market success by product messaging. When you do look at comparable investment and experience in media projects, conservative messaging tends to do better, though this could VERY easily just be an artifact of targeting an underserviced market.

Which would quite exactly fit the contentiousness of Trench Crusade, as its first-glance draw is virtually entirely conservative messaging subjects.

>>97590766
Hahahahahahahaha!
Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh harder!
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>97584708
>left wing pig stumble on a good idea
>ruin it, eat shit, have nothing to show for it except some art and some empty pockets
Reminder, always hire a center-right guy to act as a commissar on any porject like this or shitlibs will invariably ruin the project by making it political, getting baited into starting a bunch of internet slap fights and then losing all of them.

You need someone normal there to simply jettison any shitlib who starts trying to own the chuds in the audience. It's the responsible thing to do. The failure to do it has resulted in a cottage industry of social media assassins who pick a different game every few months and bait its two-digit IQ leftoid devs into beaching themselves like whales.

>>97590881
>no counterargument
Ah, nice to see you concede so quickly.

>>97590766
>partly because of holding other things as higher priorities
Like what, making whiny youtube videos?

>>97590881
Go take a look at the spread of incomes and education by political affiliation and tell me that conservatives have remotely as much opportunity to make art in a position that'll be shown to the masses as liberals. Go look at the buildup years of the gaming industry and tell me how much political messaging there was influencing the slant of the big companies with sales volume.

You're ignoring all the steps between "have the intrinsic capability and desire to make a beautiful thing" and "the general public sees a beautiful thing". There's a lot of overhead and signal-boosting involved. And again, the tendency for similarly-skilled-and-funded conservative messaging to do better can very easily just be an artifact of targeting an underserved market; as in, because conservatives rarely get to that point, when they do there's a lot more money waiting for them.

And do tell how the sweet fuck the only-mildly-invested chudhammer grunt is to be expected to look at "Neo-Crusaders In Trench Warfare Against The Literal Forces Of Hell" and assume "shitlib central".

>>97590926
>You have no counter argument for the verbal equivalent of diarrhea I have spat forth, therefore I win!

Lol whatever you gotta tell yourself bud, you sound like you need a W.

>>97590920
>cringe
The only people who got baited into a political slapfight here are the onanism-victims who are, to this day, raging about being told to take their business elsewhere long enough ago for someone to have completed a bachelor's degree during the duration of the tantrum.

>>97590940
Imagine posting this entire paragraph because you feel the need to cope for the fact that you have aligned yourself with a group of people who straight up lack the divine spark of creativity. It'd be super sad if it wasn't so fucking funny.

>>97590931
Growing food so people can eat, building houses so people have a place to stay, maintaining the electrical systems you need to make this post, manning the factory lines making your assorted knick-knacks, bothering to raise their kids themselves instead of relying on various services... The sort of "liberals" prominent in entertainment are quite a ways up the class structure with the subject being tertiary production while conservatives as a whole trend to lower parts of it in primary and/or secondary production that chews through a LOT of time.

>>97591004
Tolkien. If you need further explanation, you are insufficiently knowledgeable for this discussion.

>>97591100
>The best example I can give was someone who died decades ago, who was incredibly progressive for his place and time

Tolkien would've hated you diet nazis if he was alive today, you pathetic little goober.

>>97590920
Which youtuber gave you that opinion

You're a faggot. This world would be better off without you in it.

>>97591199
whom?

>>97591234
Op.

>>97585448
>They're not sending their best.
That's the sad thing, they are.

>>97591181
>a man who wrote a story directly lauding rightful monarchs and shitting on industrialization was "progressive"
And the response to skinheads I see is immediate glowie callout, the populist surge is mostly just wanting academics, bureaucrats, and immigrants to shut the fuck up and go away after nearly a century of constantly scrabbling for a bigger share of their stuff.

>>97587371
>every stl full of resin traps, many hollowed for no reason
>using the same overly zealous brandshield AI that GW uses to police their IP, ridiculous takedown requests against anything vaguely similar
>community license is ass
>shit arrives late
>shit arrives damaged
>misprinted dice tins
>full of trannies and redditors

>>97591353
>full of trannies and redditors
name a single miniature game that doesnt have that.

>>97590766
Anon, conservatives spend just as much time making "art" as liberals.
It's just, instead of making something good, they make shitty wojacks and ugly edits, because that is all they have in their hearts.

>>97591358
Alright fair, but if the rest of the metaphorical sundae that is trench crusade was delicious maybe people would be willing to eat around the troon-cherry on top.
Alas, it is not.

>>97591100
But anon, liberals do all of those things, and in fact do it so well that they are paying for YOU to do it too.
Unless you're in texas, every single other state survives entirely on liberal handouts, and would die without them.

>>97590920
>Leftists make things conservatives want
>conservatives cry that leftists made it
every single time.

>>97591405
>I didn't want the grapes anyway
lol

>>97591418
>whites make things leftists want
>leftists cry that whites made it
every single time.

>>97591453
>conservative pretending he's white
lol

>>97591453
>>97591456
It's unfortunate that the south demonstrates so clearly that niggerly behavior is communicable, and not reliant on color.

>>97591439
Don't get me wrong the grapes looked delicious, but then it became apparent that the merchant was a rubbity hands merchant, half the grapes were just as expensive as those from the merchants equally greedy, far more prominent competitor, and the other half cracked open and literal poison leaked out

>>97591399
>Anon, conservatives spend just as much time making "art" as liberals.
>It's just, instead of making something good, they make shitty wojacks and ugly edits, because that is all they have in their hearts.
You're really comparing lowest-common-denominator intentionally-low-effort mostly-humor filling the space of hyper-caricaturized political cartoons of old to serious attempts at art in the first place? It is vastly closer to a logographic medium of communication than artwork, and so thoroughly entangled with intentional self-subversion that the exact same individual is used to signal both honest masculine aspirations and denigrated parody of machismo.

We call them shitposts for a reason, if you DARE to consider it an "art" form it is one of striking ideas with a economy of creativity through time-sensitive context and a LACK of nuance rather than an investment of it to create some layered piece intended to stand testament for any appreciable period. Consequently, it has absolutely fuck-all business being read into for any real depths of our hearts, because the format literally doesn't have the room and we mock the people who try.

A TC thread devolving into a debate over media literacy and what constitutes the plucky underdog is the perfect example of why that game is shit and dying

>>97591535
Anon, there's a reason conservatives are looked down upon so.
Your GREATEST works of art in the modern day are exclusively shitposts.
Hell, your behavior and lack of ability to produce anything that requires a soul is the entire reason the north doesn't believe in racism. How can a white be better than a black if southern whites are like this?

>>97591542
I'm just here to laugh at people crying for a decade about being kicked out of a discord.

>>97591503
The funny part is it looked like grimdark 40k slop, which you all flocked to despite the problems because it was based apparently, despite having all the same problems

>>97591646
oop, misedited. ah well.

>>97591646
2bh Id say it looked more Keith Thompson and Beksinski's work than anything the 40k guys like Blanche or Gallagher created

>>97591611
>Anon, there's a reason conservatives are looked down upon so.
Luxury beliefs, mostly. Go ahead, look at what the studies say about the prevalence of "liberal" values the moment brown people start lingering in your suburban subway stations.

>Your GREATEST works of art in the modern day are exclusively shitposts.
Because we don't run the businesses of "art" on basically any level, because shitlibs started purging ideological dissent in the academic institutions feeding those businesses, because non-shit liberals won so hard for so long that theirs became the values being conserved.

>Hell, your behavior and lack of ability to produce anything that requires a soul is the entire reason the north doesn't believe in racism.
The latest Democrat president personally argued against racial integration of schools. The Democrats are presently arguing that minorities are so stupid they can't get an ID, have been pushing pity-points for them for decades (unless, of course, they actually achieved success without it like Asians, in which case penalties abound), and earnestly believe that mean words are a graver threat than actual physical beatings given how the judges among them sentence repeat offenders. The bigotry of low expectations and silencing of opposition is the very lifeblood of the modern "liberal".

>>97591852
>It's all the liberals faults that we consistently fail to achieve even what dirty hippies could
lol, the hookworms are strong in this one.

>>97591862
In case you can't tell, my argument is that the "liberals" of today dominating "art" you insist are "The Good Guys" are the insufferable pricks who couldn't stop at "do as thou wilt", instead marching on with TOTALLY knowing better than the masses of people who actually do the grunt-work all their shit is built on about how to "liberate" people from basic material constraints by high-minded organizational schemes that NEED to be intentionally signaled to other elites and the masses to amount to anything, as opposed to the people who did stop at "do as thou wilt" and got to doing more of the grunt-work shit is built on or physical hardware that reduces the amount of grunt-work needed that requires no signaling for the fruits of such labor to provide society their benefits.

The abundant "default liberal" passively settled into "do as thou wilt" is far closer to people like I than the "creatives" in charge at Disney or Activision working mightily to march in lockstep. The current Republican president is a virtually unchanged 90s New York Democrat and the immediately previous Democrat president personally argued against the racial integration of schools, for crying out loud!

>>97584708
They renegged on their promises and have been failing to fulfil their duty to Kickstarter backers, while also backtracking on promises. And their stand has been to emulate GW policies and decisions, while also making GW look like the reasonable party in certain respects. Not everything Trench Crusade is dogshit, but I feel like a lot of its fans have to put their head in the sand and pretend things aren't going on.

>>97592023
You literally have the backing of the most powerful man in the world and the most powerful government in the world, in the easiest era ever to publish.
You have no excuse, you soulless half man.

>>97584797
Okay? I don't see how or why any of that has anything to do with their opinions on it being invalid or incorrect, especially when a lot of things are objective facts.
>Backtracked on promises.
>Actively discriminated against their fans while denial of having doing so.
>Later proudly boast about doing so.
>Failure to fulfill Kickstarter pledges.
>Issues with 3D prints.
>Several changes on business model that lead to going back on promises.
>Going after third-party creators.

Look, you can like Trench Crusade. I'm ambivalent on it. But fucking Christ do the devs feel slimy and dishonest.
>>97584825
Genuine question: I don't Janovich too much outside of his animations, and the recent TC videos he's done. But if he held it against the dev for politics, why is that wrong in your eyes when the devs have evidently made things political and discriminated against their audience over politics? If your devs make political decisions and boast about it, then are you not allowed to criticize that? Or do you only support that if it's politics you support because it means alienating the "chuds"?

>>97585029
>What causes this mental illness?
The same people astroturfing it and denying that ever happened, while also working to subvert everything else you care about and do the same. While the increasing definition of "evil person we don't want to associate with" is becoming more and more like a regular, normal person.
>>97585189
It did. Straight up one of the comments I'm responding to is admitting it happened. Half the people are saying "Okay, but it was a good thing" or "Okay, why do you care?" Unless you have a different understanding or recollection of things that I'm aware of, the devs boasted about doing this.
>>97585245
>An animator who doesn’t animate
... for someone else's IP for free while fearing a cease and desist notice and getting his entire channel nuked.

>>97586246
Motherfucker the prime guy behind this shit wears fucking trenchcoats in his 40s and every cunt involved has a poncy tabletop-arthoe instagram account. Their whole shtick was noncorpo 2kewl4u-40K.

>>97591317
>A man who wrote a story about a bunch of different races and nations overcoming their differences and coming together to fight an industrial, authoritarian military power is progressive.

That's not even getting into fucking subtext, that's just straight up the text of the books, you absolute cretin.

>>97592175
>Patreon
>Ko-fi
>For "Free"

>/pol/fags seething they got kicked out of a discord
lol

>>97592251
>Patreon
>Ko-fi
>For "Free"
Did he not post anything for free? Because my understanding is that he still posted YT content. Regardless, he's still an animator. Just doesn't want to work for free, then. Even if it's with someone else's IP. Wasn't that one of the selling points for TC was that they wouldn't be unscrupulous with their litigations against their fans?

>>97592260
>Other people denying that even happened, while others gloating it did.
>The devs did the same thing.
Many such cases.

>>97585059
TC is for faggots, but if you go into somebody's discord going "this setting is where faggots die and go to hell is based, right", already tells everyone that you aren't really there because you enjoy the setting/concept/idea, you are only there in the hopes of getting your politics validated.

It's like undercover feds going to some gun range and out loud saying "yo dudes, you guys got any machineguns, hue hue?"
You glow brighter than a rave whore under an UV light at a night club.

>>97592357
>TC is for faggots, but if you go into somebody's discord going "this setting is where faggots die and go to hell is based, right", already tells everyone that you aren't really there because you enjoy the setting/concept/idea, you are only there in the hopes of getting your politics validated.

I'm inclined to agree, but they were banning a lot of people for being in other servers they didn't approve of. Or banning people for no actual offenses, sometimes without having posted anything in the server. That's what I've seen alleged. They also actively targeted people for affiliation, not just going in there and hating on people for their sexual orientation and or dragging real world politics in.

>>97592276
>Did he not post anything for free?
To my knowledge, no, but I'm not a regular viewer of Janovich's content. Only saw his channel after the TC stuff started. I don't really like how most people interpret the 40k universe (GW included, mostly)
>Wasn't that one of the selling points for TC was that they wouldn't be unscrupulous with their litigations against their fans?
And that was before the Kickstarter blew up to 3 million dollars raised. Making that much money on a Kickstarter changes how they enforce things because they have grown far past what they thought they were going to get (which was originally $66,666). The community license needs work. Most people are not talking about doing fan animations for TC, they're talking about people making models for it, and either copying designs directly from the artwork or ones very close to it. They want to make models. It becomes harder to make models when someone undercuts you and sells a similar one for cheaper (this is the same reason GW is doing it).

>>97592292
>Seething about people making fun of you for seething
lol

>>97592150
>You literally have the backing of the most powerful man in the world
Who just had a significant stick he was waving around taken away by another branch of the government, because we are in fact not a dictatorship.

>and the most powerful government in the world
Incompletely; see above and numerous other cases of judges blocking him like crazy and the constant backstabbing in his first term and the Twitter files about the intelligence community directly instructing social media to bury shit to fuck him over in 2020 and on and on it goes.

>in the easiest era ever to publish.
Which is terribly limited in value if you don't understand strategies to build up visibility yourself or go through the thoroughly-opposed and often-explicitly-sexist-and-racist publishing houses with a pile of annoying technical literacy hardly anyone outside mainstream literature uses anymore anyways.

>You have no excuse, you soulless half man.
Have YOU ever sat down to start writing a novel and getting it any appreciable traction? The "creativity" is honestly a minor part, the amount of technical skills with fuck-all relevance to normal life that pile on to actually put the ideas together in a format that people will pay attention to spiral out quite dramatically. Especially if you're trying anything with "hard" science fiction or historical fiction.

>>97592229
The only one of the "good guy" factions not a monarchist ethnostate were the traditional rural farmer stand-ins, who only dropped the monarchy part, with a rather significant plot being straight-up blood-right reclaiming of a throne, and that the opponent was (proto)-industrial was directly portrayed as a bad thing in itself. A coalition is not multiculturalism, you historically illiterate brainworm-mongrel. Not every single case of differences being overcome to collaborate is Progressivism, such things appear quite frequently in outright blood-and-soil exterminate-all-minorities ultranationalism.

>>97592372
I for one am pleased to see so many chuds so effectively gatekept that they bitch about it to this day.

>>97592408
>Okay, yes, I do have the backing of the most powerful man in the world and the most powerful government in the world in the easiest time it is ever to publish, and have every possible advantage, but IT'S THE LIBERAL'S FAULT I CAN'T DO IT
lol
Perhaps you should try making something instead of a wojack some day.

>>97592408
>N-no, Tolkien, who survived two world wars started by incompetent authoritarians, would be a totally heckin' based chud if he were around today!

You're either disingenuous, illiterate, or both. Also, are you sitting here trying to claim that anti-war and environmentalism are conservative values? What world do you live in?

>>97592458
He's a conservative, he lives to claim the works of others.

>>97586234
Nice projection faggot.

>>97592605
He said, proving the other man right.

>>97592415
Again, not a dictatorship, an ACTIVELY AND INTENTIONALLY non-singular government numerous times over to prevent that, and creativity alone does not suffice to finish a book and get it in front of any respectable number of eyes.

>>97592458
>Also, are you sitting here trying to claim that anti-war and environmentalism are conservative values?
I see, your political understanding exists exclusively post-Nixon at best.

>>97592731
You have every advantage in the world when it comes to creating a creative work. Even the impoverished in 3rd worlds can do it. You have no excuse.

>>97592404
You're not even trying to say it's wrong, going "lol u mad" doesn't make any of that wrong. You do you, anon.

>>97592410
That's fine. If it crashes and burns, you'll know who to blame. But don't deny what happened. The gaslighting is more frustrating than anything else. And when things swing back and it's disfavorable to be associated with your ilk, don't ask for mercy. You'll reap what you've sown when the things you care about arbitrarily kick you out for inoffensive things or vague associations. And it will be entirely your own fault.

>>97592464
It's amazing that people will say things like this about authors like Tolkien, then will turn a blind away and appropriate their works like a skinsuit and take their ideas whilst trashing on them.

I don't understand what TC's designers think their actual business is going to be now. Regardless of whatever quality issues there are selling STLs and commercial printing licenses for them was a solid business model in the long run. Because it takes the whole issue of physical manufacture and supply out of their hands and is something that is significantly easier to develop and roll out quickly. But now they are apparently moving to a purely physical model kit business model which is relying on manufacture from Europe, with retail prices akin to GW, and doesn't seem like they could really manufacture and logistically supply enough to be sold in local game stores. Thus relegating them to a poor online sales model which severely limits their potential reach, even if they manage to convince some 3rd party retailers to gamble on buying stock to sell locally. And to make that viable for anyone the game itself has to really take off or have a reasonably priced introductory game set that can be sold. This really doesn't seem sustainable in the long term, to the point where they should just take the money and run. I could see them trying to do another KS but given how the last one has shaped up and the sorts of investment they would now be asking for with the move to physical I don't see it doing well or getting fulfilled.

Man the people that hate trench crusade seem to really hate it for some reason. I really wonder why.

>>97592893
>just take the money and run. I could see them trying to do another KS but given how the last one has shaped up and the sorts of investment they would now be asking for with the move to physical I don't see it doing well or getting fulfilled.

I see this being a game that goes under or gets canceled. Maybe someday it will be very good, but I don't see how any of it is sustainable.

>>97592921
I think they pulled the trigger on moving to physical only too quickly. Had they actually managed establish a place for themselves in the market and slowly began making physical models alongside still doing STLs and endorsing 3rd party creators they could have then moved to a physical only model later down the line. Though cutting out the 3rd party creators was a stupid move not only due to how flippant or hypocritical it was given their original stance and promises but because it was free work that only served to build up the market for them. Which is something you really want around until you have a real footprint and a potentially sustainable business model to work with.

>>97592901
>for some reason. I really wonder why.
Some reasons are very legitimate.
>Kickstarter issues.
>Backing out of promises.
>Issues fulfilling orders or purchases.
>Deliberate alienation of their audience.
>Badly written lore.
>Superficial understanding of Christian and Muslim theology.
>Devs being really slimy and evasive about behind the scenes issues.
>General pattern of truancy from the devs.

Some aren't so much.
>Setting being deemed blasphemous and intentionally alienating to religious people, when that seems to be part of the point from the beginning. It's about as Christian as Powerwolf is. It always was.
>Lack of cohesive canon, which is a mixed one, but a lot of the 40K people attacking it will cite 40K as a better example of how that can work.
>Some of the bad writing isn't far off from the bad writing in 40K.

>>97592951
And now all those creators are competitors, because let's face it, there are no really unique aesthetics here. TC isn't even the first game to do "grimderp trench warfare but we totally aren't warhammer". They have absolutely no claim to muddy occult WW1 soldiers, and that generic description is all a third party needs to use to keep making 100% compatible models. Only the staunchest of corpo GW bootlickers agrees with the policy where all models must be first party, even most warhammer fanboys don't like that part. The crowd that was willing to move to TC dislike it even more, and it might even be a contributing factor to why they aren't in warhammer anymore.

>>97591181
>no, dead guy would have agreed with ME!

>>97588101
Nigga you want amphetamines to stop you from watching slop? Just stop watching slop. Treat it like something harmful., which it is

>>97592970
I think a lot of the third-party stuff tends to be more inventive or better made. I like the Trench Cossacks, even if I would honestly use them for Vostroyan proxies more than the setting they were made for. Or the St. George guys.

The official stuff has the consequence of looking like Art Station portfolio pieces made to look generic and advertise the artists as being compatible for other settings, as opposed to looking like anything unique to a single IP. I showed some of the art to my brother and he said it looked AI generated, which to be honest, a lot of Trench Crusade stuff has that look.

>>97592813
What's wrong? You getting kicked from a discord?
The only wrong thing here is seething about it for a decade.
>>97592836
>If it crashes and burns, you know who's to blame
The 99% rate of these properties crashing and burning?
Pretending it's political is retarded, and is why everyone thinks your party is the idiot party.

>>97592844
Conservatives cannot create, they can only twist and pervert.

Most of TC's real backlash seems to be from their business practices. I think crying about politics is an easy smokescreen for the actual problems that the company has, which have been elaborated on here >>97592962 and >>97592151 here for the most part.

>>97593223
But anon, you don't understand, if it's not politics then I can't be the BIG VICTIM

>>97584708
Kriegfags are so cringe

>>97593216
>The only wrong thing here is seething about it for a decade.
Anon, this has been recent drama in the last 1-2 years.
>The 99% rate of these properties crashing and burning?
Yes, I listed a ton of other non-political reasons for it failing.
>Pretending it's political is retarded, and is why everyone thinks your party is the idiot party.
So it's political and we're just seething over it and you're happy chuds are getting gatekept? But that's TOTALLY not going to be a factor in its failure?

Anon, you presume a lot about my politics and my beliefs. But I know certainly you are wrong because you are contradicting yourself, even in the same post. You can't even pretend to be consistent.

>>97593220
Projection.

>>97593284
>he said, in the thread where conservatives are angry liberals made a thing, and want to shut it down because they cannot twist or pervert it
lol

>>97593272
Why is it every time republicans start to lose an argument, they pretend they're unable to read?

Who is TC even for at this point? What is their actual consumer market? Serious question. They seem to have managed to either alienate or chase away a number of potential consumer market groups, and now that they are moving to physical kits only without actual large scale retail distribution being properly considered I just don't get who they are trying to sell this game to. The setting itself seems like normie repellent due to the themes and art. I haven't seen anyone spruiking the ruleset as being anything special or an actual reason to play. The physical kits themselves, assuming they can even get them on shelves to begin with, will be priced comparatively or possibly even more than other tabletop wargames if what we have seen so far is going to be the norm. And it isn't like those physical models themselves are attracting the painting/hobby audience given how much TC exposure on YT seemed to have been around either making your own models or the STL models being painted up. Who are they actually trying to sell to now? And what is it they are actually selling?

>>97593387
the same people all of these heartbreakers are for.
The tabletop market is fucking small.

>>97593398
>The tabletop market is fucking small.
That is kind of my point though. They aren't offering anything that could lure people away from whatever they are already spending on tabletop stuff. At the least not in a manner that seems like it would be a long term sustainable business model.

>>97593292
>sell a bill of goods
>people buy in
>bill of goods changed without notice or warning
>customers express their dissatisfaction
>ERHM ONLY MY BOOGEYMAN WOULD DISLIKE THIS WHOLESOME RUGPULL
Why do woke tourists constantly lie?

>>97593422
The major contention in this case, of course, being getting kicked out from a discord.
You guys were fine with everything up until then
lol.

>>97593422
Why are you lying about being a chud?

>>97593441
the fact that they use discord as their main media outreach is already a red flag

>>97593466
As an outside observer, all this drama starting when these guys got kicked from a discord is just the most hilarious shit.

>>97593300
You're assigning me a position I do not hold, a label I do not identify with, because it's a strawman that you think will make it easier to attack my argument. You are trying to attack me directly, not my arguments. My comments and statements to this point have been exclusively about positions and arguments. His have been Ad Hominem attacks and bait. If you're having to do that, then you're the one losing.

Also, anon is patently wrong. Drama with TC is basically last 1-2 years.

He boasts about the drama, denies it happening, then says it's actually good it happened and then says it's unrelated if TC fails AFTER I give a shit ton of reasons why TC will probably fail.
>>97592962
Case in point, other people agree with my other comments here.

Unless you think I'm someone else, your comment is very confusing because the direct responses I made to that guy, he was contradicting himself at multiple points and dishonestly reframing his position. At best? He's doing low-effort ragebait. At worst? He's doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing.

>>97593525
Your arguments have no merit when you feign illiteracy, anon.

>>97593441
You have created a strawman, assigned it a position, and attacked it, claiming that position is mine. I reiterate:
Why do woke tourists constantly lie?

>>97593445
Well, at least you haven't denied being a woke tourist. And by your definition anyone to the right of Marx is a chud, so I guess we can both agree to the other's terms. How nice.

>>97593534
>Ur woke for laughing at my chud ass
lol, illiterate AND a hypocrite.

>>97593537
Chuds can't help it, they're P-zombies.

>>97593387
People wanting Warhammer-like, without supporting GW. But now that the devs have sullied themselves and somehow made themselves look worse than GW in some respects, they've lost a lot of goodwill.
>>97593466
>>97593472
>>97593441
I'm still in their server. As far as I'm aware, a lot of people are. The issue is how they responded to it. They dishonestly took sides on issues and denied doing so, then later boasted about doing it "with a vengeance" in that powerpoint. Even Arch is still in their server for some reason, though they singled him out.

So genuine question, anon... would you trust developers that actively lie to their community, then later boast about a thing they denied doing? Because Janovich as far as I'm aware didn't jump on the TC hate-train because of "chuds getting mad they got banned from a Discord server."

GW had a community director that allegedly got fired for doing the things that TC devs have done with their community, up to this point. While it took years, it's been a series of bad decisions.

>>97593552
Anon I've not trusted a developer once in my life. You're cattle, and your braying about discord drama is hilarious.

>>97593532
>Your arguments have no merit when you feign illiteracy, anon.
How? Legitimately how? You are doing exactly what you're accusing me of, you realize? You have made that claim, back it up. I backed up mine. You just keep saying "Nuh uh, you dumb and illiterate and can't read. You wrong." That's not a good argument, you are losing here. Surely you would be able to easily explain that if it was so obviously right?

>>97584708
Seeing the way those discord creeps acted made me not want to have anything to do with TC actually

>>97593557
If you're too dumb or dishonest to examine the post in question, what point is there in doing anything other than laughing at you?

>>97593556
>Anon I've not trusted a developer once in my life.
Then why are you so ardently defending these devs?
>You're cattle, and your braying about discord drama is hilarious.
Then why are you in this thread? Why engage?

>>97593564
>Defending these devs
lol, what a retard
>Why are you here then
Because it's funny, moron.

>>97593561
>If you're too dumb or dishonest to examine the post in question, what point is there in doing anything other than laughing at you?
You're dodging everything I said while giving me more condescending insults. If it's so easy to disprove, disprove what I said. Don't convince me, convince the other people reading. Because you can't, you know you can't. I know you're lying, everyone else reading knows you're lying, the only thing you can do is shame and label someone because your arguments are bad and you are bad at advocating for them.

You are bothering to respond to me, so clearly you have the time. You don't have that excuse.

>>97593573
>please, ignore that I've demonstrated my dishonesty and re-engage
lol

>>97593567
>lol, what a retard
Probably am if I'm willing to engage with someone like you.
>Because it's funny, moron.
That's sad you legit have nothing better to do.

>>97593582
>You should feel SAD for laughing at me
lol

>>97593578
>please, ignore that I've demonstrated my dishonesty and re-engage
Yeah, you're probably right there. If I'm willing to after you shown that, you're right. It's low-effort ragebait.

You have my respect for that bit of honesty, at least.

>>97593587
Shit, you chuds can't even no-u right.

>>97593588
>Shit, you chuds can't even no-u right.
I wasn't, I was being sincere.

Anon, do you really suck at communicating your point to where even your strawman is more about yourself than the person you're misrepresenting?

>>97593597
>projection again
Get new material

>>97593606
>Get new material
When you explain to my why I'm wrong. If it's so easy, you should be able to. Or why you're still responding to me yet totally aren't dodging!

>>97593621
>Please, PLEASE re-engage with me! Care about my political agenda!
lol

>>97593630
Thought so, you can't. Have a goodnight, anon.

>>97593638
See ya next time you want to weep in public about discord.

>>97593195
Doesn't help that a lot of the art is photobashed, which isn't really a problem, until it got to the point of being clearly pumped out faster and faster to where even regular people could start noticing flaws, like large ring chainmail texture being applied to flowing cloth and it clashing.

>Itt: Boomer faggots and trannies bitch at each other over a gay, snca war game.

>>97592175
>Unless you have a different understanding or recollection of things that I'm aware of, the devs boasted about doing this.

To be honest I don't know the details, my understanding was that some unofficial discord had insulted a chudcoded eceleb. I thought the main guys had stayed silent about politics?

>>97593573
I read this conversation and I just want to drop by and say, even if this retard is making you angry, any sane person who actually read this reply chain can see how obvious it is that you're 100% in the right here.
I'm glad you were the one sucked into arguing with this dipshit, not me.

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>>97593824
This was straight up in their Adepticon 2025 presentation. Full video with it and the interview.

https://youtu.be/iC66fRPlmUY?t=301

>>97594105
>"extremist"

>>97594130
The funny thing about this is a lot of people were banned for saying that TC glorifies the Ottoman Empire/Iron Sultan use of slaves. In fact during an interview with Tuomas Pirinen he directly says the use of slaves by the Iron Sultans (Based on the Ottoman Empire) is 'morally ambiguous' as they could just kill the children they capture instead of castrating them and using them as cannon. fodder.So what is an 'extremist' view is truly arbitrary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCt7JgwIp1o&t=1470s

>>97586215
Leftists open the gate and break it to ruin it for everyone. Spiteful mutants.

>>97591181
The nazis where left wing, my little stalinon

>>97591611
My little nigga.
The left controls all the primary and most of the secondary venues that allow art to circulate to the wider world.
If they do jot lime you or your personal politics, regardless of whether they are present in your works or not, they will deny you access to circulation or the market. Hence, most right wing creators effectively operate on the underground, self publishing and distributing, gaining attention via word of mouth.
And yes, this does mean the right are the underground counter culture fighting against the leftist 'man', which given how authoritarian, domineering, and violent, the left is does make it sometimes feel like a resistance movement.

Jarek go back to working on Starcraft lil bro

>>97592962
>>Superficial understanding of Christian and Muslim theology.
Is this really a bad thing
>>Deliberate alienation of their audience.
uh huh
>>Badly written lore.
subjective
the rest I guess I can understand but these just make no sense.

>>97584833
>HAH, MAKING SOMETHING THEY ENJOY!
>IMAGINE CREATING ANYTHING, BIG OOF!

>>97594364
Fascism is center right, dip shit.

>>97596882
Nazi
National
Socialist
Sorry to burst your bubble
>le fascism is le centre right omg!!!!!
Actually, authoritarian dictatorships have an overwhelmingly high chance of being left wing. See: every single communist power ever.
Further, all the tactics usually attributed to fascism are carried out by the extreme left; ie political hit squads, violent ideological thugs (antifa on both counts) "our way or nothing" and "toe the party line or be punished" mindsets (communism in general, any current lefty group, notably cancel culture), hivemind attitudes where people are willing to go to extremes to commit violence against perceived enemies (see prior examples), bullying, intimidation, and outright murder of those that won't toe the line, say the party message, etc (most recently that poor French lad who was murdered by antifa for defending women from the rabid leftoid mob, and that streamer who refused to engage in politics and is currently being bullied online with 'good guy' lefties calling for her to be raped or just murdered).
If you want to see the modern nazis, the modern SS, the modern Ghestapo, look in the mirror. They will be staring right back at you.

>>97593387
Turns out the setting where Christians are fighting against the literal forces of hell is a setting that doesn't welcome Christians. In fact it's a setting designed for people who hate Christians and want to morally equate the Christian soldier fighting to protect his family from demons is on the same moral level of said demons.

>>97596882
>source
>the cololoured squares in the memes he reads
Grim

I have asked this question in countless TC threads and never gotten a satisfactory answer: is Jesus real and the son of God in the TC universe and, if so, how do the Muslims cope with this?

>>97593228
I feel like being the victim of a swindle is way worse than someone saying words. Losing money because of lies is way worse than being offended by mean words

>>97584708
Warhammer fans are a cancer that need to be wiped clean. They moan and moan and yet are the entire reason GW cucks them again and again and again and anyone who tries to make any system outside of GW gets destroyed by Warhammer cuckolds seething because the indie devs won't give them limitless free shit. And then they'll turn around and pay $200 for 2 plastic minis to GW.

>>97585059
I have no idea why developers would care who is doing what with their products for a game. If I designed a game I honestly wouldn't care who the audience was because im not responsible for what people do in their free time.

>>97594325
The Ottomans practiced something called the "blood tax". Non-Muslim children (usually younger than 4) could be seized by the Ottoman nobility. These children were then castrated and raised in intensive Islamic theological schools where they were given new names and raised to be bodyguards for Ottoman nobles and were used as shock troops against their own people whom they had been kidnapped from. People generally have no clue just how brutal the Ottoman Empire was.

>>97593558
I am 35 years old and have 2 kids. I don't have the time or interest to look at discord and rarely even have time to make a post on 4chan. However, my limited time also makes me more conscious as a consumer. The simple fact is that TC walked back too many of their initial promises. That was enough for me to forget about it. TC I think is trying to lean into culture war hysteria now to make it a pseudo-ideological issue to cover up their own selling out. This is kind of typical with left-wing and liberal politicians in general. It's enough for me to see them as conmen trying to run from their own mistakes. The world is full of these kinds of idiots.

>>97596820
>>Deliberate alienation of their audience.
uh huh
>>97594105
>Somehow scrolls past this post.
Gaslighting: denied.

>>97596820
>Is this really a bad thing
Considering the foundation of the setting and lore hinges upon it, in this case, yes. A shaky understanding isn't always wrong. But with how balls deep it tries going, it's taking things and wearing them as a skinsuit. The kind where most of its major lore or gimmicks aren't outright heresy but apostasy.
>subjective
Look at the world map and tell me how any of that makes sense with a supposed conflict that's been persisting for about 1,000 years? Or how little ground the forces of hell have seemingly gained or lost, yet the forces of New Antioch and their allies are on the cusp of losing?

There's aspects of the world I like. But pretty much everything I've seen for the hell stuff is pretty fucking dumb, to the point that it makes the dumber 40K lore look intelligent at times.

>>97596934
>unironical no u
Embarrassing.

>>97599225
Irl theology goes right out of the window with a fictional setting tho. "Yeah yea, transubstantation-bunstantation. Guess what, that was all WRONG!"

>>97594069
Honestly, I was bored. Wasn't ever really angry. Got off work, didn't have plans for the evening. It was easy to call him out on it, the guy couldn't even be consistent sometimes within the same post. And I'm pretty certain he was responding to other comments and pretending to be two people in the thread. Or it was just the same anon and he was only here to try and ragebait people. If someone keeps responding to you with strawman quotes and insults towards you, but can't even say why you're wrong while dodging that question, it's a pretty big tell that they can't actually contest what you've said. And they're not looking to, they're just weakly trying to annoy you.

>>97599249
>Irl theology goes right out of the window with a fictional setting tho.
That's the problem: it's using our world with the supernatural tacked onto it. It's using IRL theology as the engine behind the occult occurrences of the setting. In the process, it's outright misrepresenting them in ways that would pretty much never ever be accepted by any mainstream version of either of those religions.

If you want to make a fictional world inspired by those elements, that works better. But because it's a version of our world with those same facets of myth and theology, it just kind of falls apart with how seriously it takes itself.

>>97599262
>pretty much never ever be accepted by any mainstream version of either of those religions.
To elaborate: even with literal forces of hell and 1,000 years of alternate history, what I'm saying is that there's no way a mainstream version of either religion would accept certain things in-universe. The Catholic church would not ever under any circumstance tolerate the Metachrist thing and cloning Jesus.

>>97599242
>no rebuttal
Woke tourists never can refute that one, lol
GG

>>97599242
Every single western leftist believes that if you are not on their side completely you're a "nazi", which is just a word they use to justify political violence against people that don't agree with them.

>>97594381
>we can't POSSIBLY compete with the mean ol' leftists in this, the easiest era in all time to publish, while at the peak of political power

/pol/fags less hard working than hippies once again.

>>97599373
GamerGate revealed how deep the corruption goes anon. Please stop LARPing. This isn't reddit so you can't hide behind moderators who permanently ban people who don't agree.

>>97599008
This indian thinks anybody here hasn't read LOTR.
Why are conservatives always obvious foreigners? What happened to the home grown conservatives? Did they just die out?

>>97599376
>please, please stop pointing out that we are incapable of producing beauty
Look, once you stop crying that you can't play leftist games, and start to make your own, I'll stop making fun of you for this.

>>97599309
Every single western conservative is a jewish plant.

>>97594069
>>97593573
>>97599253
It's weird how you expect people to just go along with it after you prove yourself dishonest.

>>97599382
Nobody is crying, it's an observation and one of the reasons mainstream art has stagnated in western culture. Similar to the USSR. Thats why there's a lot of great stuff off the mainstream because a growing number of people are rebelling against the liberal-left order, which has an ideological chokehold over media and art in general. This came about more as a byproduct of the Cold War, which is an era fading into memory. It's precisely why most of these liberal-left types are 40+ and often childless. There will be a thawing, it's already happening.

>>97599392
>nobody is crying
Factually incorrect, given the frequency with which you make these threads.
Why are you lying?

>>97599394
>>97599392
I rest my case.

>>97599394
I'm not OP, but you're living in a bubble if you don't see that the liberal-left grip on things is in free fall at the moment. And this ideology does not have the demographics to sustain itself. It failed as an ideology, and now resorts to the typical flailing of a system in collapse with increasing regressive laws and treatments of non believers. But nothing can stop time.

>>97599406
I don't give a shit about your politics, I give a shit that for all your talk, none of you ever make a thing, you just claim whatever was made in the past by people you hated.

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>>97599253
I think you give these types too much credit. I don't think they're weakly trying to annoy you, I think you're talking to a person who's actually just a autistic, entitled asshole. The language of arguments are just buzzwords to people like that. There are some people who genuinely, seriously believe that just telling someone they're wrong without explaining it is an argument, and they don't understand why you won't agree with them even though they "proved" you wrong.
Autists like that don't understand the causal chain that makes an argument logically sound, they just think if they SAY their argument is logically sound, then it is, and they don't comprehend why you won't just accept that. That's why they get so pissed off.
In short, some people are actually just stupid and delusional. Trying to explain their mindset is total folly.
Like, look at this bullshit: >>97599390
Dishonest about... About what? The retard literally thinks that if he just calls you a liar with literally no evidence or support at all, it makes it so. Hell, he can't even explain what the fuck you're being "dishonest" about, he just knows he doesn't like what you have to say so he just throws buzzwords at you that are supposed to make you wrong in the hopes that you'll be defeated. And he probably thinks you are lying, because autistic people are incapable of understanding that others have different opinions and beliefs, see pic related. There are autists on this site, and they literally can't understand that you have a different perspective than them because they have a mental disability.
Since it's impossible to disagree with him, it MUST mean you're lying. To him, that's common sense. He can't explain it because his logic is primordial and retarded.
You're talking to a person who is literally incapable of theory of mind. He's actually disabled.

>>97599410
>If I just play dumb, perhaps he'll treat me with dignity again!
Perhaps you can go back in time and put the mask back on.

>>97599409
>>97599406
also, you didn't answer why you were lying.
You people are -constantly- weeping on /tg/ about this. Why pretend otherwise? What advantage is there, other than proving you are a piece of shit?

>>97599422
You got me, I just love getting on the internet and proving to others that I'm an evil liar. That's the only reason I even talk to people, to lie to them and prove that I'm a piece of shit.

>>97599454
Hey, there's not many good reasons why you'd lie so blatantly, so I guess if the shoe fits.

video outline for those who didn't watch it
>TC did not fix resin traps, they worked with 3rd party companies and some of their designs are very stupid
>TC is maliciously striking people, and apparently it is not automated
>TC hit you with the extremely corporate licence , claiming rights to use your stuff for the "compatible with trench crusade" sticker.
there's a lot of culture war bullshit going on in here.
Toumas is a former EA exec, this isn't right or left this is corpo nonsense and you retards fall for it.

>>97599390
Anon, why are you continuing this shit? You got BTFO'd earlier. And you're still pulling this back? You're accusing me of dishonesty but can't even say or why? Be honest with yourself, you got fucked and it was entirely your own fault. Also, why did you tag the other guy?

>>97601760
>please, PLEASE try to convince me I'm wrong! Stop just calling me dishonest and laughing at me!
lol

>>97601772
Your pettiness and autism is sort of commendable.

>>97601782
Hey, if you're going to prove you're a politically motivated liar, why not get a few laughs in at your expense?

>>97601790
>you're a politically motivated liar
That's the closest you've come to trying to say why I'm wrong or addressing why you think I'm dishonest. I'm proud of you, anon.
>why not get a few laughs in at your expense?
Legitimately more valuable uses for your time than spending it with someone you hate or loathe.

I don't hate you, anon. Even if you probably hate me.

>>97601811
You're simply below any consideration other than to laugh at.

>>97601822
But enough to continue engaging with? Because it's not persuasive to anyone reading this. You care enough to hawk over this thread.

>>97601847
>please, PLEASE try to convince the phantom audience, if you won't try to convince me!
lol

>>97599842
>Toumas is a former EA exec, this isn't right or left this is corpo nonsense and you retards fall for it.
Probably. Wouldn't say it's a non-factor, it galvanized people onto it. The general dishonesty involved was smoke for bigger problems, which at this point if you single out, you get accused of being a politically motivated liar. It's unfortunate that there's people who will defend or attack a thing regardless of this. I'm not overly familiar with Janovich, but even this thread basically accuses all of his criticism to be politically motivated at this point. Arch is definitely 50/50, though I think a lot of his criticism on the lore and business for it is on point.

The lead dev also used to work at Ubisoft according to his Twitter, so there's that. And it definitely shows.