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Play pauper
>>97587349is there a push for a "pre-fire" pauper?what would a good cutoff for that be? i've never really taken competitive pauper seriously
The Pizza Age is upon us all!!!
>>97587274115%
man I've watched way too much Legacy league YouTube content in the last couple years...
>TQsearch for azcanta. all the legendary enchantments that flip into lands from ixalan sets are goated>>97587377>commander "players"
>>97587358Remove mh3 from the equation and it would be amazing.
>>97587377Cummander crew will never fool anyone.Magic will never be the same as that shitty tabletop gane.
We need a new format called Pizza where only Pizza-themed cards are allowed.
>>97587510that's called standard
>Magic loses all original storytelling and sovl>becomes largely non woke with minimal to no raceswapping and troonsWin? Why don't I hate the turtles set
>>97587516>that's called standardStandard also has hot dog themed cards. I'm talking pizza themed only.
>>97587520>>becomes largely non woke with minimal to no raceswapping and troonsyeah uh we're still waiting on that part
premodern is so damn boring holy moly
>>97587647It's a meme. Just a way to sell people old cards for jacked up prices.
>>97587520wotc policy is that sexy women are fine as long as they aren't human, ie lizards or niggers
>>97587520>minimal to no raceswapping one of the main characters is race swapped
>so what's that card game you're playing?
>>97587458Bro the problematic cards in pauper are faithless looting and cleansing wildfire
>>97587520UBs in general (with the exception of cucked Tolkien estate) dont allow their characters to be race swapped.
>>97587520>Magic loses all original storytelling and sovlAbsolutely and the within universe sets are only marginally better. They fill them to the brim with woke shit like chopping off Chandra’s tits and making her into a lesbian for DEI checkboxes>becomes largely non woke with minimal to no raceswapping and troonsLol, lmao even. You are a fucking retard.
>>97587520?????????????????????????
>>97587520Uh bro... your Aperil?
Is this what being raped feels like?
>>97587452>flip card troon accusing anyone else of being a slop eaterlmao
>>97587377>proxy culture stronger than ever>competitive play lower than ever>somehow the prices for staple cards aren't droppingwhat gives?
>>97587685How many fucking mutant turtles are there? I thought that there were 4, and then I saw that one episode of Power Rangers in Space and thought there were 5. Now I see all these cards and it looks like there's 10+
>>97587732it's worse
>>97587458Ackshually if you removed mh3 (thus removing sneaky snacker and Nyxborn Hydra) the format would even be more miserable. Just embrace current pauper as 2016 Modern power levels.
>>97587862put the tranny cock back in your mouth, gavin, i don't want to hear you speak
>>9758752099% of UB is troon and raceswap shit. Only way to guarantee actual women characters looking good is if the IP is from a strict Jap company
>>97587866>remove mh3>entire format becomes goodstuff pilesNo thanks
>>97587709If this card offends you, you are gay.
What's the best way to sell out of Magic? I've got about 30k in paper cards, but I've been less and less interested in the direction that Magic is going. At this point all I do is play limited and Standard occasionally.
>>97587887Dilate ywnbaw
>>97587732
>>97587942Ok prancing queer boi. We know what you want to see on cards
>>97587764There are in fact 10+
>>97587862no fetches or walkers? pauper is kinda weak compared to modern even in 2016. it's got some good synergies tho.
>>97587658Or children apparently
>>97587658I haven't seen any sexy lizards
>>97588075I haven't seen any sexy children
Spoilers aren't even done yet.
lol wtf is this art, he doesn't even have a shell
>>97588097Is that too few or too many? I would think it should be higher if it was to be a multicolor tribe.
>>97588122Obvious AI slop is obvious. They're not even trying to hide it at this point. Imagine paying good money for this slop
>>97588185That doesn't really resemble AI at all, though. The colorations are all on point, the lighting is coherent, the shading is coherent. It's clearly a japanese artist who may have no love for TMNT and just drew some kind of kappa warrior, but not even a single hallmark of AI to my eyes.AI witchhunting has driven some people insane.
>>97588195Nah, it's AI.
>>97588122Based on the 90s OVA only released in Japan.
Play premodern.
I am a turtle and I eat 'za
>>97588270Go shill somewhere else pajeet
Which Premodern deck should I make for local tournaments? I mainly want to win.-Stiflenaught-Terrageddon-Elves/Survival-Ill-Gotten Gains
This set defines what is wrong with current Magic: The Gathering without any effort, is all souless garbage with the intention to grab some short term customers that will never care or be invested in the game past this product at the same time that you drive away the people that actually care for your game.WotC and Hasbro could be called evil but i prefer to think they are just greedy retards.
>>97587746Scalpers and corporate lies
>>97587764https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mutant_turtle
>>97587746Supply is hamstrung since most cards either:>stay unopened in their boxes in investorfags' basements and won't see the light of day until the secondary market collapses>end up in some casual's shoebox and won't see the light of day until a garage sale in a decade>end up in a landfillThus what little demand there is totally outstrips the available supply. WotC doesn't care because it makes zero difference on their end.
>>97588332Zombie Infestation.
>>97587942>>97587709>NOOOOO HOW DARE WOTC CENSOR LESBO LILIANA X CHANDRA!!!!also /mtg/:>NOOOOO HOW DARE WOTC MAKE A LESBO CHANDRA CARD!!!!
>>97588393>lesbians(hot) good>lesbians(not hot) badVery confusing, I know
>>97588393That there's a goomba fallacy. I don't care about the lesbian card, I do care about writing a character as a lesbian for a year then another author trying to come in way down the line and say "oh actually she's straight" in the most out of character swerve. Coherency holds primacy, Chandra was not his character to rewrite.
>>97588393the people here will cry about literally anything
>>97588403>I do care about writing a character as a lesbian for a yearChandra prior to WAR had a whole 2 conversations together, neither of which were romantic other than one looking the other in the eyes.
>>97588416>neither of which were romantic other than one looking the other in the eyesBut enough about Ugin and Bolas.
>>97587685>April's turtle totsAre you telling me April gave birth to 4 mutant turtles at the same time?
>>97588433No idiot she laid four eggs and the gang each took one to jerk off onto
>>97588440Is that version of April also a mutant?
>>97588445Yes; she is a negress.
>>97588433>>97588445I believe April was a turtle in some of the comics.
>>97588452nice tummy
>>97588452hoooo mama wheres the card of that hot fox shawty?
>pass up on buying a bunch of Premodern cards last year in Japan>they're all worth 2x-10x the value nowman I spent $200 on random premodern singles when I should have spent $2000
>>97588468
>>97587520Well what has become clear about the TMNT set is that they get all of their research from Wikipedia as it is just a laundry list of characters and literally everything else that isn't a named character is pizza. I grew up with TMNT and pizza is certainly a sub-theme but it isn't a top-to-bottom "cover everyfuckingthing in cheese and everyone has to be eating or referencing pizza" non stop. It is actually sad to see. I would have assumed they would have a few 40-somethings on staff who knew the material, but I guess fucking not.
>>97588440Reptiles actually fuck.
>>97588452This is a black woman according to Nickelodeon.
>>97587727they made him north american, putting a latin icon like Vigo is super woke
>>97587727Lord of the Rings has always been a British tale, so they modeled Aragorn after the most British man alive, Idris Elba.
>grounded for life>destroy target creature>not exile or enchantment aura prisonMissed shot.
>>97588550>>97588551i think the entire anglosphere is dead at this point
>>97587685How does four baby turtles playing with toddler toys find me two islands?>>97588550>Demoralization campaign
>it's not a New York set bro trust me the cards are thematically and mechanically different
>>97588554Shouldn't it be "tell you not to do."
>>97588554THIS SHIT BREAKS COLOR PIESTOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>97588570Pigeon Pete is at least a character from TMNT
>>97588570>Magic is spending more sets on the plane of New York than on any actual plane in the last 2 years
why are they so obsessed with food ?
>>97588609Fat people think about food 24/7Horny people think about porn 24/7More news at 11
>>97588613Imagine being at computers.
>>97588609Someone responsible for design or close to someone responsible for design at wotc has a food-themed commander deck they like to play.
>>97588609Food is universal and can be used in every setting. Fucking dr. Who had a food subtheme.
>>97587377take a shot everytime that subhuman says "like".fucking unreal how unaware those "people" are.
>>97588705He's from cali, "like" is their version of "uhm".
fuck it I'm building a paper Legacy deck. it fires at multiple shops in my city every week and at least that format should be fun to play.
I dont even know the difference between Pioneer, Historic, Timeless and Explorer. LoL
>>97588725I'm not entirely certain WotC does, either.
>>97588554>worse version of Ride’s EndKikes are kikeing white, what else is new
>>97588403>I have no problem with Chandra being written as a lesbian for a year>But I am very upset when they decided to change her back to being straightPut that together with the image you posted, and you are in the running for the Retard of the Thread award.
>>97588725>Pioneer/ExplorerSame thing. Pretty much a dead format.>HistoricMeme format. Kind of like Modern for Arena but with older cards. Mostly played by noobs because it's the only one that lets them queue their starter decks.>TimelessVintage for Arena. Lots of Turn 1 combo decks and degenerate shit. Probably the best out of these three but it gets old pretty fast, and needs 60 mythic wildcards for every deck.
>>97588782>Pretty much a dead format.I play exclusively Pioneer on Arena. It works fine on my machine.
The real crime is shrinking Chandra's tits. I don't care if she's muff-diving or shaft-gobbling, as long as she's got a pair of nice honkers.
>>97588782Thanks but it doesnt really clarify much for me.Like where does timeless gets old powerful cards? Older full sets, random injections of powerful staples?Also if i wanted to farm some arena gem/gold which format would be best for it? (wildcards dont matter, i have like thoursands)
What do you call it when I buy random singles from random sets with cool art and build a 60 card deck out of themIs that a format
>>97588815YesIts called Kitchen magicBest mtg experience there is
>>97588815shoebox limited.
>>97588815White Girl Magic
>>97588811Arena has been direct-printing old powerful cards onto the client in the last couple years, and they inevitably get banned everywhere but Timeless (Chrome Mox, pitch elementals, Channel, Show and Tell, Ancient Tomb, Mana Drain... you can play 4x Strip Mine now lol, plus actual Vintage cards like Demonic Tutor and Lurrus).Historic is 1000% easier than every other format if you just want to farm wins. Every meta deck in Historic has a 70%+ winrate even at the top of the ladder because most of your games are against timmies on Angel tribal or whatever starter deck-tier crap they have.If you are a top 1%er MTG player you can farm infinite gems in draft. Otherwise I think you are stuck netdecking in Historic/Alchemy events if you want prizes.
>>97588815It's kitchen table and it's basedMe n the boys used to play this as a multiplayer format long before commander took over. Best ever. I still have a bunch of unsleeved shit decks I still play with my cousin/girlfriend
>>97588842>If you are a top 1%er MTG player you can farm infinite gems in draft. Otherwise I think you are stuck netdecking in Historic/Alchemy events if you want prizes.Thats what i did before i had to abandon mtg during Kamigawa for personal reasons(war) kinda shame because i really enjoyed those few Kamigawa drafts i played, and i had insane winrate. Overall i think living mtg was positive due to all shitting in fan base mouth wotc started.top 1% is insane exaggeration btw, top 15% is more than enoughAnyhow thnx for historic advice, just need some format to kill time.
I love NEW YORK BLOCK anons!!!Which real world reference should we use as new Magic block?
>>97588869Israel should come to MtG! Think of all the rich culture they could explore!
>>97588873Just imagine all treasure, connive and plot decks edh tards will be able to build
>>97588869This is not Through the Omenpaths 2.
>>97588869Wizards of the (East) Coast
>>97588869WWII
>>97588869Fast Food block.McDonald's, Wendy's and KFC constructed block.
>>97588908Following the template WotC uses for depicting all of their conflicts now...>WWII>We're told that a Holocaust is happening>We see no sign of it, other than maybe one or two lands/auras>And a couple scary designated bad guy mooks that are just standing around marching>We see 50 million cards of "survivors" of the oppression/genocide we keep getting told happens>We only ever see mass genocides of the "oppresssing" forceAnd WotC would be completely surprised by the implications.
>brazzers block>this guys has 20 different cards with 20 different Human+Job variations
>>97588122> Powerful white card Gain life, do thing! Gain life, do thing!Bing! Bing! Wahoo!
>>97588937>Schlomo, Second Generation Survivor>Creature - Human Lizard Survivor>When this creature enters, create a Treasure token for each other Survivor on the battlefield.>Sacrifice six Treasures: create one Movie token. (Movie tokens are artifacts with the ability "Tap, Sacrifice Movie: Gain an extra turn after this one.")
>>97588122Dont you actually feel disgusted by this?Leo and Ocelot are both mythics, however difference in power level is absolutely insane.
>>97588937>First They Came 4BBB>Enchantment Saga>Chapter 1-4: Choose a creature type. Destroy all creatures of that type.>Chapter 5: You lose the game
>Kippah>Equipment 1>Equipped creature has protection from Red, White, and Blue>equip: sacrifice a creature
>>97588609Universal artifact tokens are some woke propaganda tool. I haven't cracked it yet, but there is something there
Another footfag card name. There's some weeb making a commander deck as we speak
>>97589058>its different because they added "artifact"Shit is not fine,
>>97588869Underground Jew tunnels
>>97589089It's Vayne's Treachery and Final Flourish, but worse.
>>97589058They're called the Foot Clan. He is stomping at you with his foot.
>>97589096>Vayne's Treacherythis reminds meLOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOYI WILL NEVER FORGIVE JOTC FOR THIS
>>97589096>It's Vayne's Treachery and Final Flourish, but worse.Didnt know those cards so had to check, its literally same text, why did they print LITERALLY same card with different names?
>>97588609>>97588613>>97588674>>97588685Women love food and lots of women work in WotC now. See also Hearthstone and how many food references it got after fat Cora took charge of things.
>>97588991Holocaust memeing aside, I actually really like this card design
>>97589123but at least Cora is a real woman
>>97587862A mentally retarded tranny opinion
>>97589125Thanks anon, glad you like it. I miss the custom card threads
Made this custom card a while ago. Was oddly topical.
>>97589058>>97589089Black Enchantment Removal was just a distraction so they could put black Artifact Removal into the game unnoticed
>>97587349>play artifacts: the formatPass
>>97589058They aren't beating the footfag design lead allegations.
>>97589240That's every eternal format
>>97589240Artifacts is one pauper deck and it's not even the top most played deck.
>>97588771You can't change a character "back" from nothing.
>there are troon ogre freaks ITT
>>97589317It'll all be ogre soon.
>>97588852I don't think you should be dating your cousin even if she plays magic
>>97589225Sacrificing your own stuff isn't a removal.
>>97589380>thing gets removed>"this isn't removal"You are stupid.
This card upsets me a lot because what it tells me is that WotC is so fucking stupid they can't even sell out correctly.You have ONE job with UB: Represent the fucking source material.How are you so fucking arrogant that you not only decide to violate this principle, but draw attention to it?
>>97589406Jittes are more Magic-y anon.Deal with it.
heh, and they thought pauper was safe
I cannot stop laughint at some landwhale at WOTC telling an Okinawan "you are not japanese you should feel offended and opressed"
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-release-notes
>>97588493wacky pizza toppings were a staple of the cartoon series.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54au0Ve5I50
>>97589550>wacky pizza toppings were a staple of the cartoon series.Kind of. I wouldn't call it a staple, it was more just a few gags when an episode needed some filler time to hit 22 minutes.The show has almost 200 episodes and only a few dozen mentions of pizza total across all of them. It wasn't THAT big a deal, it was just a throwaway time filler joke.And somehow WotC thought it would be a good idea to make it THE major theme of the set. Holy fuck man.
Why is there so much fucking pizza.
I am for sure 3000 cards being diferent variants of pizza wont be confucing for the game state
>>97589563same shit with that cabbage fag and the last cuck bender set.how many cabbage dudes did we get? and even a secret lair.the "joke" got old really quick after the first time.
>>97589625>how many cabbage dudes did we get?Two.
>>97589637Two too many.
You can always trust gay millennials to take a kind of funny throwaway joke and treat it like they found the holy fucking grail of cultural excellence.
>>97588991>>97589125Gotta add a clause that you can't choose the same creature type again
>>97589586Because this is a low effort cash grab and the turtles liking pizza is one of the more well known things about the franchise
>>97589240Literally every format?
>full set is revealed>as expected, it is garbage all the way downIt is what we thought, but man this is going to be a loooooong year to struggle through if you are one of the few remaining people who actually enjoy Magic.
>>97589833Im excited to put exactly one card in my reanimator deck and im not drafting this set and never play standard.
Would be great when the winner deck of 2026 World Championship of Magic the Gathering has turtles/pizzas/klingons on it right?
>>97589842This but pauper
Will Wizards learn anything from releasing the two worst received sets in history less than half a year apart?
you get to choose one /mtg/>hat set>food set
>>97589870absolutely nothing
>>97589870teen titans UB 2027
>>97589871Why not both?
>>97589860>turtle piledriver Nice
>>97589871Slop is slop… lesser, greater, middling. It's all the same. If I have to choose between one slop and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.
>>97589240artifact game btw
>>97589871Hat set.I will repeat it.Hat set.I will take a whole block of Aetherdrift, Murders at Karlov Manor, Capenna or Thunderjunction over TMNT, Spooderman, Fagatar or god save us, Star Trek.Not even fucking close, take me back to 2024.
>>97589884FUCK I FORGOT TO ADD THE "YOU CAN'T KILL YOURSELF" CLAUSE DAMMIT
>>97589871I would kill myself
I haven't seen or heard a person say anything positive about this set, outside of Reddit. How do you fuck up a set this bad
>>97589871Food themed hat set
>>97589898>Redditreally reddit is supporting this set? that place don't even have a minimum standard?
>>97589904it's only the main sub in my knowledge, which is filled with shills. they ban people who say anything negative about a set
For each card type, what's the strongest card of that type ever printed? Battles need not apply they were all ass.
>>97589975
>>97589975I nominate Necropotence for the enchantment slot. Maybe Breach is better though, who's to say.
>there will be over 4000 cards in standard once turtles drop
We are all going to the turtle pre-release right? This does seem like the sort of set you dont want to miss.
>>97590018Lol. Lmao. Good one buddy.
>>97590005But what about
>>97589975>Battles need not apply they were all ass.fuck you I still use battles
>>97590016Sure, but only a few hundred are actually playable.
>>97589975>artifact Black lotus>instantDark betreyal>land Island>sorceryCleanse>enchantmentInvoke prejudice>creaturePradesh Gypsies
>>97590018I'm preordering both turtles bundles on Arena
>>97589406>>97589421They replaced Leo's Sais because, kid me fucking not, they are shitting themselves over fucking bri'ish law as if sword, knives, guns etc were not better.Also, remember all their dance and song about how they are super inclusive and they don't want to offend anyone?They just replaced an indigenous weapon of Rykyu people (a very notable running theme among TMNT weaponry) with a jitte, a symbol of Shisengumi police forces and oppression against historical minority groups of Japan. It's kind of like putting a Jew into a Nazi uniform.I know that nobody will give a fuck but this is really retarded after all their attempts to be super fake inclusive.
>>97589586Because card designers have only surface-level knowledge about TMNT lore and still needed to fill the set with something.
That didn't last long
>>97590071>They just replaced an indigenous weapon of Rykyu people (a very notable running theme among TMNT weaponry) with a jitte, a symbol of Shisengumi police forces and oppression against historical minority groups of Japan. It's kind of like putting a Jew into a Nazi uniform.Assassin's Creed depicting a woman rubbing her ass on a broken Torii gate ahh diversity.
Why the fuck is Dystopia $40 now?God, adding Premodern to MTGO was a mistake
>>97590085well yeah, people went furious on social media about it, multiple content creators that have series dedicated to meta analysis were like>this literally kills all of my work, I might as well stop doing what I'm doing altogether lolthis was by far the biggest MTGO related blunder in a while
>>97589886>a bunch of terrible sets + irrelevant UB garbageMH3 and Duskmourn were the only good sets that year and Duskmourn was a disaster for Constructed.meanwhile 2025 was one of the best years for MTG in the last decade.
>MTG be like...
>>97590150Am I having a stroke or is this worded all fucked up.
Thinking of selling most of my stuff. Many of them are Tier1/Tier2 pauper decks. How do you think I should price them? I think this is more convenient for me, but not necessarily for the buyer. I'm not sure whether to price the deck at the value of the individual cards, higher, or lower.
>>97590156If you sell bulk you sell at a discount that's just how it works
>>97590071The replaced them because they wanted the turtles to use authentic Japanese weapon. The didn't replace Leo's sai they replaced Raphael's sai because he is supposed to be closest to his dad. Michelangelo still has Okinawa nunchucks because he's the weird one. What they are doing is like removing katana from a Knight replacing it with a more authentic european weapon. It's a different form of racism where they erase all indigenous culture and replace it with a more homogenous alternative.
>>97590155>Am I having a stroke or is this worded all fucked upThe "Their choice" shit is so fucking dumb.MTG has always been worded where the sentence subject makes the choice.>"Target creature's owner puts it..."vs.>"Put target creature..."There is no need for this shit. WotC sucks at everything.
>>97590155Kinda fucked yeah. Ive noticed they added more text to some cards for rules clarification for new players i guess?
>>97590155>>97590155
>>97590126desu there's one per year at the moment, don't forget they also disabled replays because they caused lag some 8 months ago and they still don't work
>>97588937>It Didn't Happen (UB) - Choose a creature type. Target player discards all creatures of that type.>They Deserved It (BR) - Choose a creature type. Exile all creatures of that type from target player's graveyard.>Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)
MTGO seems like a shitshow but I wish I had an account because it sounds like you can win actual money on it
>>97587647premodern is so damn FUN holy moly
>>97590138Yep, i always look back at 2025 thinking:"What a great year for Magic the Gathering!!:
>>97590203Spiderman set essentially didn't exist for me, I stopped playing for its entire run and didn't see a single card. Glad it bombed.Meanwhile you're still obsessed with crying about this shit on social media to the point that you pretend that the garbage 2024 sets you used to cry about are now good.
>>97589886>Remaster "set">Awful hat set>UB direct-to-commander set>Awful hat set that began the rise of izzet prowess>Awful set that rotated Modern and Legacy>UB direct-to-commander miniset>Set that began the eternal reign of red aggro with Mighty Mouse>Awful hat set
>>97590200The brazilians make money off it but it's really not worth the stress, the payoff is small as well.
>>97590203>Yep, i always look back at 2025 thinking:"What a great year for Magic the Gathering!!:This but unironically
>>97590200>it sounds like you can win actual money on itassuming you're talking about a casual league every week or so with the occasional challenge or prelim if you're feeling good about yourself, it's not nearly enough money, you should be making just enough to keep playing and buying some powerful cards every now and then, actually cashing a big amount out would take a long time but if you're talking about the secondary market then it's a different story, you can make a lot of money but it's definitely high risk high reward
This is great.
>>97587520what the actual fuck were you thinking when you made this post you retardi hope you enjoy your fat black hobbits in august
>Only insect in standard that makes insect tokens and costs less than 6 manaThankfully it's pretty mid by 2026 standards so I probably won't need to run it, but God dammit why couldn't this have been in EoE with Void instead of Disappear?
The most I know about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is that there are 4 adult size ninja turtle looking humanoids. Are there actually people who are "fans" of all this other dumbass shit?
>>97590321Would be playable if the game wasn't a tire fire the size of Everest.
>>97590333>Are there actually people who are "fans" of all this other dumbass shit?The original run of TMNT comics are unironically some of the best comics of all time, easily in the top 10 greatest comic runs ever alongside 80s daredevil and Uncanny X-Men.Many people can't get behind putting satire comedy comics that high, but they really are as good as it gets.
>>97590315If they could stop printing best in slot cards for my commander shartifacts deck, Id appreciate it.
>>97590333apparently the original comic is quite kino and has little to do with the infantilized tv show but I never read it.
>>97589871Anime/Duel Masters plane hat set
>>97590331gonna be winning some drafts with this as the finisher
>>97590352>>97590356The sad fact is that the vast majority of people who know of TMNT know it for the goofy cartoon, pizza and cowabunga
>>97590392Death to limited pigs.
>>97590018I'll proxy the shark that kills three creatures and the floating cow head, rest of the set can go fuck itself
>>97590403>The sad fact is that the vast majority of people who know of TMNT know it for the goofy cartoon, pizza and cowabungaIt's sad. The comics are unironic psychotic gigakino.
um Wizardos?
>>97590499Breaking design integrity and including guns in the game is perfectly acceptable when it's a low-effort cash grab.
>>97590333Believe it or not but NINJA MUTANTS TURTLE BROTHERS are super cool when you are 12.I really enjoyed OG movies (3rd part was my favorite) Also vinalla ice song from 2nd is unironically good.
>>97590499jeskai epehemrate bros...we're back!
>>97590499how many times do I have to tell you this old manUB. doesn't. adhere. to. your. rules.UDATYR
>>97590392>gonna be winning some draftsEverything about TNMT draft screams "go first or lose">mutagen token is much better with initiative>all flash equipment is much better with initiative>sneak is OP with initiative>commons have word salad on top of being fairly stated (biggest sin btw) I predict me getting butthurt after playing few drafts and uninstalling arena.
I cast Skateboard and tap your land :^)
>>97590534>Skateboard>Baseball BatWho's our commander????
>>97589871TF2 universes beyond>80 cards dedicated to main characters loadouts>50 hat equipments>when opening boosters you have chance to open foiled version of hats with unique effectMAKE IT HAPPEN WOTC
>>97590534You gotta get em in their upkeep.
>>97590542too kino for jotcthe slop will continue
>>97590540Bart Simpson (2027)
>>97590564>Bart Simpson (2027)Oh boy I can't wait for the "Eat My Shorts" card!
>>97590570>Why You Little!>BB>Instant>Destroy target Legendary permanenthttps://youtu.be/E04c-4QR2Lg
>>97589871Fornite or Minecraft will generate this greedy bastards thousands of dollars from the Tik Tok generation so you know is just a matter of time.
>>97590585>FortniteAnon...
>>97590585bro lacks critical information skullemoji skullemoji skullemoji
My predictions for 2027:UB: BibleUB: McMagicReturn to ixalan, but dinosaurs are now half robotsUB: BatmanReturn to innistrad but vampires are now half robots (whats going on?)UB: RobocopSet with codename 01001010 01100101 01110111 01110011 - Turns out there is a new threat from outerspace that wants to turn everyone into mindless robots to fight their wars
>>97590663>UB: BibleIs that even really ub? That's actually just old border kino. So obviously it would never happen. They'd sooner immediately ban it for being offensive
>>97590663>No UB Bionicle>No UB Star Wars>No UB WWE>No 5 UB sets next year considering the "success" JOTC brag aboutYou failed us anon...
UB WWE would be gigakino and I'm tired of pretending it wouldn't.
>>97590663>UB: BibleHow do you actually make proper Jesus card and give our lord and savior justice he deserves?
>>97590733>How do you actually make proper Jesus card and give our lord and savior justice he deserves?Protection from Everything + Unearth
>UB: Hall of Cost>You cant find this product anywhere>But wotc brags about record profits and insane popularity of it
>>97590736>protection from everything>dies to nail and sun
>>97590529wtf Initiative is in this format?I hate go-first draft formats. There was already a good chance I skip this one completely because the IP sucks. If the format is mediocre or worse I won't bother.>>97590422Everyone ends up playing Limited once they get good at the game.Unfortunately 90% of Constructoids will never git gud at MTG
G to give a turtle everything
>>97590747initiative is term i used to describe player that is on has priority and is on offense (basically has creature that can attack and open mana)
>>97590733PlaneswalkerAbility to insta win the game
>>97590750This is going in my Turtle Duck deck
This is the first UB card that is actually going to make it into one of my tournament paper decks (Legacy Lands).Going to embrace it and draw a custom token of Marit Lage doing a kickflip.Thank god it's a generic equipment and not a legendary creature.
>>97590733Oh they would make it as a mockery, he would look like a modern Somalian
No Blocks? Ok, fuck you :)
>>97588470>>97590123These are the cards that are STILL CHEAP (less than $1) and according to my research, they will spike when the premodern vultures start buying them all.My research analyzed the popular decks on the rise and possible bans and unbans. I also talked to players, consulted store owners and enthusiasts of the format, I also joined 3 Premodern Discord groups to lurk.If you're interested in these cards, buy them now!Or regret paying $10 for a $0.30 common card later.Avatar of Will BequeathalBirchlore RangersBladewing's ThrallBlood LustBreakthrough Briar ShieldBrood of Cockroaches Coffin PuppetsCommon CauseConfessor Contested Cliffs Death Pit OfferingDisrupt starting Dregs of SorrowDromar's CharmEmerald CharmFallow Wurm Feast or Famine Festering WoundFledgling Dragon ForeshadowFrog TongueGerrard CapashenGoblin Soothsayer Hearth Charm Heartwood GiantHonorable ScoutHorned Kavu Hunted Wumpus Infernal Contract JuxtaposeKeldon VandalsMask of the MimicMask of the Mimic Mogg Alarm Multani's PresenceMystic Penitent Nature's ResurgenceNo Rest for the WickedNoble PantherOkkOutbreakPutrid RaptorQuashQuirion SentinelRhystic SyphonRites of SpringRofellos's GiftScalding Tongs Scandalmonger Sewer RatsSinister StrengthSisay's IngenuitySkycloud Egg and all other Odissey EggsSkyshroud Condor SolfataraSpike Cannibal Spy NetworkStrongarm TacticsSunken CityTethered GriffinTreva's CharmTurf WoundUktabi Faerie Vengeful DreamsWild MightWoodripper
>>97590733>give our lord and savior justice he deservesFound a fake Christian.
>>97590791somehow still less of a sacrilege than when you walk into some pr*testant church and see giant murals of blonde-haired blue-eyed jesus
>>97590733>How do you actually make proper Jesus card"Mono white" made-for-commander with a WUBRG ability that's basically Everyone Lives.>and savior justice he deserves?>Leftists of the Coast>Respecting Jesus
Rhino tribal card
>Christ, The RedeemerPlaneswalkerAs long as this card is on the field, neither player can lose the game
ub is garbage and you are part of the problem if you buy it.
>>97590818>5 mana>5/4>menace>LEGENDARY Can we return to time when that word meant something?
>>97590831How much Lorwyn did you buy?
>>97590833Apparently not
Tribal cards are lazy game design
>>97590833The past you speak of does not exist.
Dominik must really love the turtles.
>>97590585Thousands?!
>>97590846Game design does not have to be clever or inventive to be fun and enjoyable.
>>97590799what in the faggotry fuck is premodern
>>97590831anon I haven't bought a pack of product since they added mythic rares and planeswalkers and commander products to the game and made damage stop using the stack (the shit that actually killed old magic and I warned people here about at the time).UB is nothing compared to what I suffered through the because the game you newfags played in the leadup to UB was already shit.
>>97590799Did we have such shizo posts during Pioneer format launch?How did it end btw? Anyone plays it?
How do we kill wotc without hurting LGS thou?You do know wotc is forcing minimal amount of product LGS needs to order in order to sell MTG stuff, right?
>>97590863Better than the cancer that is modern but no one plays it and Wizards forgot it exists
>>97590593>>97590628nta but what happened? I just fap to fortnite porn
>>97590863I still play Pioneer is the only format i have fun with
>>97590863Pioneer has consistently been the most popular format for people to claim to play in this general.Which should tell you all you need to know about the age and skill level of the people here, sadly.
>>97590935Very cool to see a card be tainted with UB so I don't want to touch it even if it might be an interesting card to test in some lists.
Now that spoiler season is over how was the set.
>>97590944>Now that spoiler season is over how was the set.Needs more pizza.
>>97590944UBSLOP/10
>all these new creature types>Pizza is not a new sub type
>>97590810Ironic coming from a Mary cultist
>>97590876Fortnite Secret Lair already happened.
>>97590846It's only lazy if it means almost all your nonland cards are the relevant creature type (e.g., allies). Kindred cards and cards that allow you to get cards of the relevant creature type allow for a deck that has weird restrictions with unique benefits, especially when you're returning Nameless Inversion to your hand with something like Grub.
>>97590944I will strive to not interact with any cards of this set.
>>97590981>cards that allow you to get cards of the relevant creature type allow for a deck that has weird restrictionsYeah dude a tutor for a specific creature type is a really weird restriction and not at all just an auto-include for piles full of creatures you were going to run.
>>97590863pioqueer was always DoA, few people were stupid enough to fall for that scam.
>>97590993Tutoring for a beaver is a lot weaker than tutoring for a wizard.
playpremodern
Cant wait for>I PLAY HULK>HULK DESTROYS ARTIFACT OR ENCHANTMENT ON ETB>HULK SMASH>I EQUIP HALK WITH IRON MAN SUIT>THOR HAMMER>AND CAPTAIN AMERICA SHIELD>AVENGER ASSEMBLE>POGGIE WOGGIES>that blue haired 3rd world faggot posts wall of text explaining how Marvel UB is best thing to ever happen in MTG
>>97591017No, jose, i wont pump your bags
>>97591011In what format you gonna play your Standard cards that rotated? Nigger?
>>97590944Hate wotc, Hate niggers, Hate tmntThey took away the one saving grace of a TMNT. I used to say UB would force wotc to have quality art because they weren't in full control. I was wrong. The faggotry at wotc is incurable. As I type this I am losing the battle to type sentences about how much I hate niggers. They don't belong. Like a turd in a bed a nigger has appeared.
>>97591040uhm Modern? Edh? not artificially created format that was designed to increase price for dogshit sets thats for sure.
>>97591045>he says this as he posts ai slopYoure not better, dumb brownoid
>>97591040Why would I play with or posses standard cards, dumb nigger.
>>97590944I hope whoever is genuinely excited for this set enjoys it to the fullest, but I shan't be playing it and I won't put any of its cards in my decks.
>>97591049But that’s exactly what EDH is
>>97591027I'M GONNA PLAAAAAAN
>>97591077>I hope whoever is genuinely excited for this set enjoys it to the fullest,Why would you hope that?It is an act of cruelty to wish joy to evil people.
>>97591057go eat pizza faggot
>>97591071Well UB slop was created just for you.
>>97591049>MemedernOnly the most pathetic and sweaty faggots would play MH constructed format is not a surprise you put EDH as example too Modern players have everything that makes those retard casuals bad being actually stupid tryharder competitive scum. Is the same garbage with different environment.
>>97591016Okay but you're not tutoring for a beaver, you're tutoring for a goblin for your Grub commander pile, so please tell us the very intricate process behind deciding if your should add Goblin Matron or not.>>97591057This.At least post a good pic of her.
>>97591089They're not evil they're innocent they know not what they do.
AI is already a fact, embrace it.
NGL bros, i agree that UB is cancer, and dont want to see any of this shit in my magics. BUT if wotc will release UB that i really like or is close to my heart (like Cowboy beebop, Blade - wesley snipes movies, frieren) I will buy few boxes like a good pig.I really enjoyed TNMT cartoons and movies as kid so i will probably go to prerelease hope it wont boos wotc sales too much
>>97591108>They're not evil they're innocent they know not what they do.They know exactly what they are doing, anon.
>>97591113>UB is good as long as i like it!!Oink, oink fellow Magic player!!!
>>97591113If you're going to buy UB slop, at least buy the good stuff
>>97591125Pic unrelated?In my life i saw exactly one scene from OG startrek, they used camera angles to make it look like kirk was fighting giant cat.Looked too cringe even when i was young and dumb
GoTResident EvilZeldaMarioElden RingDark SoulsWizard of OzWheel of TimeMortal KombatI would consume any of this UBs and i don't care what you say.
JEAN LUC PICARD, CAPTAIN OF THE ENTERPRISE WILL SOON SAVE YOUR GAME! STAR TREK SET WILL MARK A NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR MAGIC THE GATHERING!
>>97591145Hi, Mark.How much longer until you realize that shilling doesn't work?
>>97591145Literally >all %current_thing% slop, no soul
>>97591154I'M READY!!!
>>97590935a combat trick + removal spell with ninjitsu? and it has a cute girl on it?damn I hope this format isn't actually good...
>>97591145you should leave this game
>>97591119UB is fine if it’s a property that you could look at and it would be able to be mistaken for a Magic plane (Lord of the rings, Final Fantasy). It’s not fine when you get stuff like Marvel,TMNT, Star Trek, Fallout, etc.
>>97591172>UB is fine if it’s a property that you could look at and it would be able to be mistaken for a Magic plane (Lord of the rings, Final Fantasy).Unironically noIts "You give finger, they eat hand" type of thing. There is no middle line. Its either Yes or No. Lotr has exactly as much similar with MTG as WH40k, NOTHING!
>>97591172Fallout, Doctor Who, W40K were the worst of the worst because they weren't even sets you could play with or draft; just straight-to-commander garbage.Spiderman for the IP rights disaster as well.
>>97591188Lord of the Rings is high fantasy with orcs, goblins, Dragons, demons, elves, wizards, etc and could easily be passed off as a magic place. I don’t know much about warhammer, but I don’t think 8 foot tall space marines with laser guns fighting aliens could be passed off as a magic plane.
>>97591113you are the exact audience that is boosting the sales anon. the "just one time" non-repeat customers
>>97591212>I don’t know much about warhammerWH40k is high fantasy with orcs, goblins, Dragons, demons, elves, wizards, etc and could easily be passed off as a magic place. Also by your logic MTG has humans so its fine if they do collab with WWE because thats a fantasy with humans, dwarves, etc. Lor is not plane is MTG universe, therefor it has no reason to be a set in MTG, its that simple.
>>97591172You mean to tell me this dogshit looks like a magic card to you?
Janeway better be a black creature for what she did to Tuvix
>>97591246Yes. Leave behind tradition, embrace modernity.
>>97591246Looks more like Magic than the sets about Cowboys, 80s Horror, Wacky races, and Magic in Space did.
>>97591273suck a dick retard i would take 6 sets of duskmourn over one final fagtasy.
>>97591285Good for you. Enjoy your slop about cheerleaders and ghostbusters let by a marketable plushie, Piggy.
Reminder that the only reason combat damage ordering was changed was because Arena players are whiny idiots.
The anti-UB tards are just crypto redditors who feel emboldened by adopting a Current Thing that doesn't demand they bend over backwards defending fent addicts or teenage mastectomies. The real truth is that MTG has been a walking corpse for a decade at this point, and the anti-UB rage will fade the moment we get another reddit approved anime/vidya set. Be sure to look forward to The Professor's upcoming video on the danger MTG's Universes Within Not-Harry Potter set poses to his tranny editors.
>>97591285Duskmourn was actually a good set though.unfortunately the constant zoomer UB tears have gotten so hysterical that you retards are pretending to be nostalgic for fucking Thunder Junction.>>97591246I won $1000 in a tournament with a white equipment sealed deck using Delivery Moogle. Therefore it is a great magic card.
The shift from limited and 60 card formats as the premier ways to play Magic to commander did far more harm to the game than UB did.
>>97591339>The shift from limited and 60 card formats as the premier ways to play Magic to commander did far more harm to the game than UB did.This is not a defence of UB.
>>97591339Limited has become bigger, and more pushed to the community (and arguably better) than ever in the last few years. You can play $1000+ tournaments every month on your phone.Commander is for casual shitters.60 card formats are too desu but no one is ready for that discussion.
>>97591285Final Fantasy mistakes>ViviDuskmourne mistakes>Kaito>Enduring Curiosity>Unholy Annex>Leyline of Resonance>Screaming Nemesis>FOMO>B/G overlords>KonaUB wins
>>97591367>Final Fantasy mistakes>ViviThe entire set, anon.Every card in the set.Every UB card is unacceptable.
>>97591381You never answered how you felt about cheerleaders, ghostbusters homages, sets about Daytona 500, cowboys and planet sized spaceships in Magic
>>97591401>You never answered how you felt about cheerleaders, ghostbusters homages, sets about Daytona 500, cowboys and planet sized spaceships in MagicHate them all.UB is worse.UB is so much worse that they are not even in the same league of IP vandalism.
>>97591381The FF set had more passion poured into it than any MtG set made in the past 5 years. You can thank Squenix for browbeating them and not allowing raceswaps or making anything ugly.
>>97591428>The FF set had more passion poured into it than any MtG set made in the past 5 years.You say this like it's a good thing.Putting an excess of effort into a shit corporate cash grab is EVEN WORSE than if they hadn't put effort into it at all.Investing wholeheartedly in a bad idea is worse than reluctantly going along with it.
>>97591246Absolutely
>>97591438Well then you should tell WotC to stop forcing ugly troons and low effort garbage in their in universe sets then. Until then, the market will gravitate to the sets with real passion behind them
>>97591467>Well then you should tell WotC to stop forcing ugly troons and low effort garbage in their in universe sets then.I do.
>>97591428FF is unironically one of the greatest MTG sets ever made. Certainly by the standards of the last 10 years, maybe even the last 20.Insane that it happened against all odds.I hope they can repeat it but it seems unlikely. Recent UB sets have been shit (we can safely assume Turtles is shit).
>>97591486>FF is unironically one of the greatest MTG sets ever made. Certainly by the standards of the last 10 years, maybe even the last 20.No, it isn't.
>>97591428>The FF set had more passion poured into it than any MtG set made in the past 5 yearsIt didn't, the mechanics were boring, the art was fucking terrible despite of the potential that FF'games art usually have.
>>97591507Name sets that are better since the start of the decade.
>>97590856this set is not fun nor enjoyable
>>97591486>FF is unironically one of the greatest MTG sets ever made.When did the FF shills start infesting these threads?
>>97591507all of FF's reputation for great art comes from the same 3 guys who mainly just did art for shit like box covers and guide books/promotional material.they are too successful or committed to their own companies to be working on MTG cards.the set used in-game art as the base and if it looks bad it's because it looks like the in-game art.
>>97591543Bloomburrow, Baldur's Gate, Neon Dynasty
>>97591559Since the UB brigade needs an excuse to justify not be treated by the rest as the vermins they rightfully are.>FF is good>FF has passion poured into itAll excuses to mask the truth: That shit will never bee Magic.
>>97591559I thought we established you should stop using this word.
>>97591559>he posts a card from one of the worst and polarizing FF entries
>>97591582I know but when you have a multi-billionare company that is making a set you already know is a hit from market research you can afford to get some copycat artists that can at least try to replicate the art.
>>97591582Actually, Magalli is really good and captured a good middleground
>>97591585>Baldur's GateThat set was legitimately awful. But still, even giving you that, you could only come up with three sets that are better in six+ years.
>>97591585Bloomburrow introduced one of the most obnoxious powercreep in red this game has ever seen. Baldur's Gate was largely commander focused (whether you see that as a good or bad thing), and Neon Dynasty is personally fine but you cant use that as an example here because this place hates Nu-Kamigawa
David Bowie is real magic.
>>97591594the ever-seething tourists post the same card from each set their hivemind is trained to get triggered by.it was black aragorn for years. fat ugly guitar creature from racecar garbage for months. instant ramen for months. etc.usually attached with some predictable gen z social media buzzwords. completely incapable of original thought.
>>97591559I'm gonna say it.I have no problem with instant ramen as a card. It's a reference to a memorable part of the game, that part being memorable for the wrong reasons. I would also have no problem with the Hot Dog Cart card if they were apparent about it being THE cart Spider-Man gets a free hot dog daily from, because that would be a cool deep cut. Trying to compare either (or just the one) of them to Bagels and Shmear or the myriad of pizzas is not comparable because those don't have larger relevance to the IP. A couple pizza cards would have been fine, but when you have one with a dead rat in the art, then it becomes just a lazy slot fill, which is more of a flavor betrayal than including food itself.Also being a contrarian is cringe. It's roundabout woman behavior because you're letting other people decide your tastes.
>>97591447still trying to figure out who made this labubu and said "yes this will be our flagship mascot"
Final Fantasy isn’t even a good franchise in its own. It’s gay
>>97591401>You don't want avatar and ninja turtles in magic? You must love Aetherdrift!What causes someone to be like this?
If you love Final Fantasy so much, than just go and play some FF, it has 14 games ffs. This shit has absolutely no reason to be in MTG except wotc wanting to milk other degen fans.
Yugioh absolutely mogged Magic by releasing a cute animation featuring turtles today.
>>97591772Yugioh hasn't mogged anything in over a decade.
>>97591783>Yugioh hasn't mogged anything in over a decade.Magic.It has mogged MTG by being a better game.
>>97591819Is that why nobody plays it?
>>97591827The fuck are you talking about? It's pretty widely played worldwide, and far more international than MTG.
>>97590935sorcery speed?
>>97591835>Its pretty widely playedI have not seen a single store in the past ten years that still does Yugioh events, but sure.
>>97591717They fucking made furby of course they thought this way
>>97591841>I have not seen a single store in the past ten years that still does Yugioh events, but sure.There is a YuGiOh boom in Okinawa, anon.
>>97591827i have fun with the new genesis format
>>97590846This is a product of how WotC """designs""" tribes to be homogenous slop that reward you the exact same way for doing the exact same thing (spamming bodies with that type).
>>97591841Literally every one that I've been to except one does YGO
>>97591819YGO is a dogshit game.If games better than Magic existed then Magic would pretty clearly be dead, the way WotC and Hasbro have managed it for the last 20 years.But they don't. Once you get good at Magic it's painfully obvious that every other card game is kiddie shit with 0 depth in comparison.Never having a real competitor probably hasn't done this game any favours.
>>97591847Furby at least looks somewhat cuteLabubu is degenerate copy of USSR old as fuck cartoon that looks absolutely horrible.I have no idea how chinks managed to convince anyone to buy that shit.
>>97591865I’ve never played it, but it seems like One Piece tcg might be at a similar popularity to Magic
>>97591878>released in 2022 >already on pair with MTG popularityI will believe it, doesnt help that wotc is doing everything to lower that bar.
>ygo is great gameA game where winning on turn 2 is abnormal because you usually win on turn 1 cannot be good by definitionYou Gay YO is just coinflip wraped in shiny foil
>>97591900>A game where winning on turn 2 is abnormal because you usually win on turn 1 cannot be good by definitionPlay it.The game's about autistic decklist optimization, not the actual gameplay.Yet still, it's better than MTG in both.
>>97591865>YGO digital client actually functions>MtG client does notThis already mogs your game in a way you can't refute.
>>97591878There are massively popular card games based on children's cartoons (One Piece, Pokemon, YGO, Disney) but the inevitable problem they have is that they have to make their game accessible to children (or weebs, or, in Hearthstone's case, WoW players; a group with the mental capacity of children).Which inevitably means none of them are viable for competitive play.Hell, it's been decades and still no one has managed to make another card game with a functioning Limited format. It's pathetic.
>>97591905>digital clientNOGAMES
>>97591904>The game's about autistic decklist optimization, not the actual gameplay.No thank you, i bet you also enjoy path of exile. You people are weird
>MtG takes skillMe win die rollMe go firstMe play Elf
>>97591905>mogsthe level of discourse that YGO kids are capable of.can't even make an argument in favour of the game, beyond that is has a digital version that apparently works.
>>97591930GOOD PLAYme play landme remove elf
>>97591936Me play Cub :)
:^)
>>97591951Me play 2 Cub
>>97591920dont bring PoE into this especially when one of its creators made sorcerykinoygo is just shit
>>97591930median OTP winrate in draft hovers around 52-53%.and anyone coming from another card game would get hard filtered by draft for years, let's be real.
>>97591954boulder dash 2>>97591956>he actually plays poeKnew it, you excel autists are too easy to spot in wild
>>97591963>two turn 6 55% on play formatswhat are they?
>>97591967>Let me untap with 5 manaMe win!!!
>>97591986youre at 4 thou with 0 creatures
>>97591991Me have Cub + Land :)
>>97591979the high end one are all Cube and Powered Cube formats.the highest actual set you see on there is MH3.
>>97591986Nobody plays worm anymore though. They’re all playing sapling nursery with icetill explorer
All this does is demonstrate why WotC keeps winning despite all the performative outcry>"Grr I hate all these pushed cards ruining the game!">Okay, stop buying and play something else>"No! All other games suck worse! They're for children, not intellectuals like me! Now give me another ten boxes of Avatar I need to pull Gran-Gran for Izzet Lessons!"
>>97591594>he thinks that's the only card that's bad
>>97592015You gonna need to explain this one.
>>97592011>8cc affinity for forests enchantment is metawtf that almost makes me want to play Standard.I'm still surprised how good Icetill Explorer is. It's somehow Legacy-playable, despite being a 4-drop.
>>97588284ok. flavor text got a laugh out of me.
>>97592028What is there to explain? It's video game UI. Why the fuck is it a Magic card? Are we going to have a Fat Roll card? Will there be a console vs PC set? How about a First Person Shooter deck?
>>97592013What you expect? This player base is made of the worse man-children/card board addicts of all the whole card game industry. Not children, not teens but neckbeard retards with disposable income and very little critical thinking.
>>97592066>very little critical thinking.Anon please, don't oversell their capabilities.
>>97587377you know a game is fucked up when this kind of "people" and their opinions matter in your community...
>>97588332proxy
>>97588344>Human>BlackOH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!
>>97591836Unless you pay the sneak cost.
>>97592013Magic 60 card is dead at my lgs. Star wars unlimited exists where modern used to be. It appears to be a combination of EDH and 60 card. I have a collection of old standard decks for when I need to scratch the mtg itch
>>97592111Star Wars has been more slopified than Magic
>>97588403Convinced this anon is canadian
>>97591865>If games better than Magic existed then Magic would pretty clearly be deadThat's not true at all. Force of Will was better than Magic during its run. The problem is that Magic players are already enfranchised and invested in a Magic cardpool, so they need a game to be absolutely amazing to switch over, and a large existing playerbase needs to exist already for said switching players to have opponents. The hypothetical best game could come out tomorrow, but if nobody's playing it already, then nobody's buying it.
>>97591906>the inevitable problem they have is that they have to make their game accessible to children (or weebs, or, in Hearthstone's case, WoW players; a group with the mental capacity of children).>Which inevitably means none of them are viable for competitive play.Reminder: this is a Magic thread.
>>97592132Idk all the other “great” card games look like bullshit board games with no depth
>>97592081These people are the majority. Your opinion is much less relevant.
>>97592048>How about a First Person Shooter deck?That's creatureless burn and it used to be a thing you fucking newfag.
>>97592165You say this playing a board game with no depth.>Monkey cast Tamiyo>Monkey cast Ocelot Pride>Monkey cast Heartfire Hero>Monkey cast Gran-Gran>Monkey cast his commander
>>97592185I don't mean a cute name for the deck, I mean this is FPS tribal where you build around aim counters with cards like Use Scope and Toggle Mouse Settings.
>>97592188>Tamiyoah yes, Legacy: the format famous for having no depth compared to other card games.
I posted this in arena thread, but it looks dead (i think like total 5 people posting including me)Any of you bros wanna play some friendly with homebrew decks?we can use weird inhouse rules to make sure we gonna be using homebrews like:Only particular sets allowedOnly particular rarityBrawl but commander and cards must be from same set
>>97592165FoW's system was just Magic except the resource cards were in their own side deck, so mana flooding/screw just doesn't happen (fixing is still a thing). Hell, even Lorcana has a good system by asking players to consider the opportunity costs behind putting cards in the players' inkwell and outright prevents 5c sloppiles.
>enters or leaveswait what the fuckthis goes infinite with Goblin Welder, and you can grab it off Urza's Saga.will this common accidentally bring Painter back into the meta?
>>97592210Use a scope? Why do that? If you need to improve your vision, just put your glasses on.
>>97592231You could only argue this prior to Orcish Bowmasters taking a huge shit on the format.
>>97592280Saga checks exact cost, not mana value.
>>97591769>it has 14 gamesa lot more than that
>>97592249See, that just sounds like retarded bullshit
>>97592249I was just thinking how magic should implement a rule where you have a side deck of basic lands that you can draw from during your draw step instead of from your main deck. Non basics would still go in the main deck. Would eliminate mana screw.
>>97592320Because drawing your third mountain in a row is such good gameplay, right?
>>97592338Unironically, yes. Losing because of it obviously feels bad, but removing that makes the game as a whole worse. It'd be like if poker lets you choose between drawing an odd or even number deck so that people can ensure better hands.
>>97592338Sounds like you don’t like MtG
>>97592338Getting mana screwed/flooded is just a skill that's why the mulligan rules had to be changed 4 times. Because Magic is the most skill-intensive game ever.
>>97592102Exactly. Why is it always gingers?
>>97592375It’s not always gingers. It is always whites.
Unless Pokemon TCG does something with its competitive I don't think you can kill magic's dominance that easily. We're not nips
>>97592355>but removing that makes the game as a whole worseYou never said how other than "it just is," and you still have a chance to draw a dud spell if your resource deck and main deck are split, so it's not as if the draws are fixed. With that kind of system, your draws are on average better, but that same boon also applies to your opponent. You're not punished because the flow of the game makes that 2/5 of your deck useless after a certain point, you're punished by circumstances surrounding the board state your deck accumulated.Poker's not a good comparison since every player uses the same fixed pool of cards.
>>97592106That's what I thought, then I remember some cards having 'may cast this/those spell/s for alt. cost' and I'm certain those too have timing restrictions.
>>97592387>Poker's not a good comparison since every player uses the same fixed pool of cards.If all games in Magic were mirror matches with the exact same decklist, would that change the comparison? No, the pool has nothing to do with it.>because the flow of the game makes that 2/5 of your deck useless after a certain pointNo, that's only if you build a certain kind of deck. Even aggro can build to have mana sinks and card advantage to use up that extra mana. It's a deckbuilding consideration for whether or not you want to be greedier cards that are timing dependent, or cards that have a lower ceiling but higher floor.
>>97592387>and you still have a chance to draw a dud spell if your resource deck and main deck are splitDon't worry, they'll fix that soon by splitting the main deck into permanent and nonpermanent decks. Wouldn't want people to feel bad about drawing the wrong kind of card, would we?
>>97590944Revolting. Lorwyn had the weakest most sauceless commons and had zero impact in pauper. Then fucking turtles brings two amazing ninjutsu creatures plus a new affinity staple?
>>97592338getting fucked by mana is why Magic succeeded as a game.even the worst players have outs to beat the best players.without the variance of mana screw I'd farm you 100% and it wouldn't be long before you'd quit to go play Pokemon or YGO or whatever
>>97592407>Nonpermanent resource cards>>97592401>No, the pool has nothing to do with it.You're actually stupid. Poker isn't a mirror match, it's all players using the same deck. It's not a valid comparison since it's a comparative game. The cards in your hand are hypothetical shared pieces of the game that your opponent could have, but lacks access to as long as you possess them. This makes the fixed composition of the deck a vital part of the game that can't be changed without undermining the entire system, since the entire game revolves around everyone knowing the card pool will always be the same.Magic is not that. It's a customizable TCG. Being able to play a player-selected variety of game pieces is the main draw of the game. Even in a mirror match, the mind games of a shared pool aren't a thing. If I have 4 Lightning Bolts in hand, that doesn't mean my opponent cannot have their own Lightning Bolt of their own.>No, that's only if you build a certain kind of deckUnless you're running some meme like 0-CMC artifact storm, EVERY deck needs lands, so the problem is unavoidable for an overwhelming majority of decks. It doesn't matter how tuned the manabase is, you're still hypothetically able to be locked out of the game by a bad shuffle, when there is no practical reason for it.>It's a deckbuilding consideration for whether or not you want to be greedier cards that are timing dependent, or cards that have a lower ceiling but higher floorThe problem with trying to argue this is that a game with a linear-scaling resource like mana will have this as a feature by virtue of cost scaling, not resources being in the same card pool as the rest of the deck. You still need to consider how many 1-drops you're running in a game like FoW or Hearthstone verses the number of 5-drops. The difference in deckbuilding and play comes from these intervals being more consistently hit, not from their existence at all. That's not a valid counterargument.
>The people who complain about Commander just found out they don’t like Magic at all
Real question
>>97592513Yes, there'd be a land deck, a nonpermanent deck, and a nonland permanent deck. Though thinking about it some more, maybe we split those nonland decks into <=3 cmc and >3 cmc decks. Wouldn't want people to lose games because they topdecked a llanowar elves turn 10, would we?
>>97592517As opposed to BGR or UWG?
If you are wondering why there is so many food cards, its because NU audience cant stop thinking about food.
>>97592548Ask before touching my cards you AIDS infected faggot :)
>>97592530those ones don't sound great to say and Grixis, Bant, Jund have been around long enough that it's okay to use them.long established short forms like BUG, RUG, Junk, etc should definitely still be used over whatever the related shards are.
>>97592489Pro players aren't getting beaten by randoms because of mana screws you LARPer. If anything the existence of fetchlands ensure that top players, or at least those that have already invested triple-digits in the game, are going to maintain an advantage over newbies in terms of resource management by nature of established players that already own those cards having more flexible, more consistent resource fixing.Really, all I need to do is point at the demand for fetchlands to prove that everyone trying to argue that mana screwing is actually a good thing is full of crap.
>>97592548obsessed
>>97592562I've been winning Magic tournaments since before you were born. I made thousands of dollars drafting last year and have an obscene Limited winrate.A majority of my losses are to getting fucked by lands, even against some comically bad opponents. The system gives a fundamental cap to your possible winrate.
>>97592528>Extremist strawmanShit, you're right. Everything should be one deck. Actually no, that's too consistent. The game should entirely be decided by luck. The game shouldn't go beyond the coin flip. Everyone should just roll a single dice, and the result should determine the winner. Don't like it, well, players shouldn't complain because it's just part of the game?
>>97592517>you have to learn thing>that's gatekeeping
>election tourist culture warrior comes to cry about MTG after a hard day of shilling on /pol/wow, shocking.who could have guessed.
>>97592572>I made thousands of dollars drafting last year and have an obscene Limited winrateI'm going to humor your LARP for a moment and point it as irrelevant because a majority of Magic isn't limited, and in formats where fetches are permitted, players with them consistently do better, meaning that engaging less with land drawing is consistently better than embracing the flood.Counterpoint to the aspect of an environment where they're not permitted, though, and there's a counterpoint in said fluctuation. I don't like limited. I prefer constructed formats, because getting a bad pull puts you at a disadvantage for something you had no control over. That kind of gameplay to me, and a lot of other people, isn't fun, because it makes the rest of my time and money feel like a waste, and losing because of shit land draws, it feels like I've been robbed of a game and lack a satisfying loss. That's not to say that I'm owed a win for showing up, it's more that if I lose, it should be because I fucked up my plays, or that my deck is so imbalanced that I couldn't cover my own ass, not because chance decided that I'm done playing.A good loss should make you a better player. Mana fucked draws don't usually offer that since they're just an accepted part of the Magic system. Fundamentally, a game that avoids that problem is a better system.
>>97592629Frankly, no one values your opinion on this subject and you don't seem to have the requisite experience or skill with the game to understand what's even being discussed here.
>>97592615>Everyone who uses a 2hu pic is the same guy||I probably did save that pic from /pol/ though lol||
>>97592642You cared enough to argue for several posts, tried to impress everyone with a LARP, and tried to play internet detective, faggot.
>>97592644I fucked up spoilering that...
new to tcgs, I find mtg actually interesting compared to pokemon or lorcana. Someone told me flesh & blood and riftbound are the best card games today , one piece also not bad but scalpers are ruining it . Why is pokemon tcg so popular it feels mediocre compared to mtg or orthers. I also find retarted that pikachu ilustrator card sold for 16m and is not even playable in the game.
>>97592644that's not how that works.that's not how spoilering works either.
>>97592683>Why is pokemon tcg so popularKids that grew up on pokemon have money now, also a lot of expensive cards are being bought up by wealthy Chinese people looking to discretely move money out of the country, they buy a card locally and the fly it out of China and sell it wherever they are. Something about them not being able to invest money freely I can't exactly remember. The logan paul card is a wild can of worms with him selling "partial ownership" of the card, then rescinding it through shady means and listing it on that jew's auction and giving all the idiots that "invested" in the card basically nothing. On the one hand they get what they deserve believing a known scammer, on the other hand Logan should be going to jail over it.
I am a pig.Pigs eat slop.Therefor.I eat slop.
>>97592686Well, yeah, I had a lapse in the tags and typed >>97592674 right after.Also, I used /pol/. So what. Trying to argue that someone uses another board on this site by trying to go through a post history when you don't have an argument is unironically limp-dicked Reddit shit.So far your only real defense for land-mixing is "I like limited"
>>97592683people don't buy Pokemon cards to play the game (their value isn't related to their use as game pieces; meta Pokemon decks usually cost like $50).from what I know most Pokemon cards are variously sold to get dopamine hits from cracking packs, to chase rare art cards of cute girls, hoarded to scalp, bought as speculator items, etc.being the most popular IP in the world must help as well.
MTG tells my opponent to sacrifice things of their choice,but I don't get to sacrifice things of my choice? What's up with that?!
>>97592683>Someone told me flesh & blood and riftbound are the best card games todaylollmaokill that guy
>>97587764Turtles from last 10 years of comics and the 300+ mutants LeoMikeyDonnieRaphVenus-Frankensteined FrogJenny-Foot Ninja Mutated by transfusionDeadaim-Copycat shapeshifterFist -Copycat shapeshifterLynch -Copycat shapeshifterWaster -Copycat shapeshifterSlashTokkaLita - Kid mutated by a Mutagen BomvOld Lita - From a fucked up future nycMetalhead - Donnie cloneKirby - From Litas futureArtemisia - From Litas futureLast Ronin TurtlesOdynMojaUnoYi
>>97592338Yes that is red's weakness.
>>97592338I need 3 mountains because I kept a 1 land hand with 3 pump spells, 2 burn spells, a monastery swiftspear, and a sunspine lynx, and really would like to cast that lynx somehow
>>97592768You get to.
Two threads with 500 posts each in the catalogue. /mtg/ is popping off. I guess hatred of shit like TMNT is sure something. It feels like the final nail in the coffin of this shitty UB crap.>People hating on FFIt was one of the best sets in recent times. You have no taste and no dick. Fuck you.
>>9759268390% of mtg collectors play the game while 90% of pokemon collectors don't.>Gotta catch em allThis is literally why. They collect pokemon cards like they collect pokemon in the game. Collecting is the game.
>>97592753ok>I am an election tourist, so what?4chan boomers take issue with such people, yes>Magic isn't Limited, Magic is when you crack your fetchland so you "engage less with land drawing"nonsense babble.>I don't like limited because bad pulls put you at a disadvantageflood happens in constructed too. most games of Magic aren't fetch brainstorm handsmoothing. limited is on the whole more skill-intensive; once you get good it lets you leverage your skill much more to impact your overall winrate.>mana screw feels like shityes, especially if you spent money on a draft. no one says otherwise>you can't learn from mana screw lossessome you can, some you can't. you'd be surprised.>lands is not the ideal systemno one is saying it is. hence no other card game replicating it.the point is simply that MTG's land system is the most fundamental part of its identity, and, despite its flaws, the variance it adds is a major part of why the game has succeeded for 30+ years.
This whole thread is just niggerbabble cope.Game gets shittier every day and many early mistakes are now interpreted by the designers to be something they should go full throttle on. Of course instead of actually addressing these problems, you decided to come here and say>W-Well, there's nothing better! I HAVE to keep cracking packs for Limited because it's the only way an intellectual like me can feel stimulated!No. You are a gambling addict.
>>97592937i play pauper and have fun
Imagine outing yourself as being some Final Faggoty fanboy. Couldn't be me.
>>97592937You are unironically addicted to having social media meltdowns.
>opened chronicles of victory and foil maralen pack 3 in a draft>playing elves>picked the maralen>never saw it
>>97592937Commander ruins the design of sets for every other format. Not the other way around. And commander arguably is worse for cards being designed with it in mind.
>>97593068in paper? if so you gotta pick the $20 rare that pays for your draft. even if it didn't have a comparable winrate, the EV boost is just too high.
>>97593086Paper. Ended up with hallowed fountain and moonshadow in prize packs so I can't be too mad.
>>97593061I'm addicted to watching them. Like the one in this thread.
https://youtu.be/bIAXEkVIAcUOur Guy has spoken
Just went to a draft and had to explain to my opponent, a new player, what protection from opponents and protection from each color meant. Felt kind of bad.
>Snow cost>If a land has snow on it, it has an extra Snow resourceWTF were they thinking?
I know no one cares, but I got 7-wins with this shitty deck in Cube Draft. I love forcing green, everytime!
I won a store championship and got the textless ocelot pridepraise me
>>97591113The Wesley Snipes Blade movies are super dear to your heart? I mean they're decent movies but I've never heard of anyone feeling that passionately about them
I got a blowjob in the bathroom from the LGS trannypraise me
>>97593394I'd be more excited if you gave the LGS tranny a BJ, personally.
>>97593402That's gay and she doesn't even like when I look at her penis.
>>97593394Congrats on being able to blow yourself.
>>97592548There is no Jonesboro, Alaska. There's a Jonesboro, Arkansas but I couldn't find any LGS by that name there.
most be 'jeet hours
>>97593394This didnt happen btw
I went full retard and took the Soul Immolation here and and tried to force Jund... went 2-3... Goddammit I should have either taken Asser perfection or pivoted to Elementals... Also my print screen is broken
>>97593438How do you break the ability to print screen
>>97593394I'd be prouder if you told it to kill itself instead
>>97593394If it's MtF you got a blowjob from a faggot. Well done I guess...enjoy your STDIf it's FtM that's better but never put your dick in crazy.
>>97593394Your dad gave you a bj? Not sure if that's better or worse than him shooting you at a hockey game.
>>97593394elk blew you?thats gay af
Threadcuck make a new thread this one is ending on a disgusting note
>>97593880perfectly encapsulates mtg in the 2026 desu
>>97593880uh oh redditor melty.please MODs do something!!!
>>97592015Thats 100% soul though. I wouldnt expect a troglodyte like you who hasnt experienced the golden age of vidya to understand
>>97593922Yes getting a blowjob from a tranny is peak 2026 mtg. Gay, diseased, and makes me nauseous.
>>97593392Some context might helpI am from eastern Europe and VHS players were incredibly expensive for average family, luckily for me dad was traveling a lot so he brought one home. Cable TV channels were poor because they only started and never showed anything interesting, just bunch of old ussr movies where main protagonist was short, bald alcoholic.We never had comic book stores so the only two super heroes i knew was Batman and SpiderManNaturally when i saw Blade >he is vampire but NOT PALE? HE IS BLACK? WOW>black coat>sunglasses during night>silver katana>modified shotgun to shoot silver spikes, shurikens, daylight lampit was coolest shit ever.My dads favorite movie for example was Steven Seagal "Under Siege".
>>97593958>My dad's favorite movie was Steven Seagal "Under Siege"Your dad is based beyond belief.
>>97593068I played Maralen at the prelease and both times I played it, my opponent flipped two lands. I lost both games.
This general looks exactly like the game...DEAD
The general will return the next in-universe non-Modern Horizon non-Commander set arrivesFor now ... it will remain exiled
come home
>>97594475is that fucking sudoku
>>97594475Sorcery is an entirely different game that has (probably intentionally) become culturally associated with Magic due to its flavor and the involvement of cards.
>your average TMNT set enjoyer
Who are you quoting?
>>97594585>>97594585>>97594585
>>97590198Close.>It didn't happen // It should've happened
>>97592912>1-line copes and "nuh uhs"I accept your concession redditnigger.
>>97592912I'm going to doublepost to address the two actual points made.>flood happens in constructed tooYou never addressed...>>97592629>and in formats where fetches are permitted, players with them consistently do better, meaning that engaging less with land drawing is consistently better than embracing the flood.>no one is saying it is. hence no other card game replicating it.The whole point was which games had better systems you dumb redditnigger.
I play booster mapping still a thing? I remember some years ago it was pretty common threat of buying boosters but now I never hear from it outside of Pokemon stuff where they use X-ray machines to find Charizards or some dumb shit
>>97595418yes
