Previous: >>97581755Pizza Edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:Are you a turtle and do you eat pizza?
>>97587605What a disgusting card, on so many levels.
>unban most of the banlist>bring back the ruck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB in the format by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>97587634you forgot to say thirty (40) life
>>97587634warhammer, final fantasy, and lotr are all cool though
>>97587605
>>97587651No they aren't you gigafaggot
>>97587651>97587651
would you play it
>reject modernity>embrace tradition
>>97587668>Draw in CZ>Protects its own gimmick with indestructible>Doesn't even ask you to wait a turn by giving haste>Only novelty is animating Humility and watching people undergo a brainbuster for 5 minutesNo but the art is nice.
>>97587694you know he's just colorshifting a precon commander right?
>>97587708I wouldn't play real Bello either for all the same reasons. Whether or not it's a real card is irrelevant to my opinion.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97587668Yes, absolutely. I love Bello's gimmick. I'd probably give the animates flying instead of indestructible to differentiate him from Gruul Bello. I'd also change the on hit to anything else since you already have a thousand Coastal Piracies in his shifted colors. Maybe have him reanimate an artifact or enchantment at the end of combat if anything connected instead. You'd need to bump the CMC for that though.
>>97587676>homeopathy (white)>autodynamics (blue)>phrenology (black)>free energy (red)complete the pseudoscience cycle wotc
I kinda hate that my Ygra deck needs 5 ninja turtle cards because of the food support
>>97587668>turns into a bugNice deck, FAGGOT.
>>97587605I love being a Turtle
>>97587787Party Dude, Ninja Pizza, what else?
>>97587787>eater of all>no i don't want him to eat UB stuffbad choice of commander then
I'm working on refining a UG deck. I realized that I don't need to have this many creatures due to how my commander's ability works in practice, but that I need more interaction. Does anyone have some suggestions?
>>97587805level uphigh scorecity of brasshidden hideout
>>97587828I know city of brass isn't a Ninja turtle card it's just a great reprint that's in a precon
>>97587836they should reprint city of ass since its the whole set anyway
>>97587668No. I don't like Bello. I like the idea of animating enchantments and artifacts but giving them haste, indestructible, and fucking draw on top of everything is just ridiculously stupid.
>>97587605>TQNo, I wanted a fucking ninja but none of the Shredders are really speaking to me.
Would you play it?
Did a bunch of bulk trading yesterday and I got this one as a bonus. Anyone tried building him?
>>97587841city of ass fits right at home in UW though
>>97587856>Anyone tried building him?many people
>>97587856The best trick I know with him is using skullclamp with mobilize. You can attach it to all the tokens and get 2 cards per. Other than that it's the usual "use cheap equipment with high equipment cost" build. He's basically a colossal hammer machine. He's in good colors to prevent kill spells which is good because the gameplay is incredibly fragile. Wish he phased out instead of exiled.
>>97587856>>97587885damn that's funny
>>97587885Huh. Never thought about mobilize. I didnt even think about putting skullclamp in, just the usual stuff like hammer and swords
>>97587913He works with ninjitsu and the new sneak cards from TMNT as well. There's no per turn limit on his attach ability, so if you have the equipment anything coming in during combat gets the attachement effect, not just him.
>>97587605Skip. Like, hard skip. This set doesn't suit me at all.
>>97587605this seriously is some of the most disgusting 'art' I've ever come across
>>97587605Disgusting and what the fuckPlease tell me this isn't lore accurate
>>97587605Proxyhaters, your response?
>>97587954Even more disgusting then this?
> Epstein files prove pizzagate is real> WotC makes a pizza setHell of a time to be alive
Universes Beyond Pizzas featuring Ninja Turtles because Ninja Turtles is smaller and comes second
>>97587605There's even an article written about how bad this art is
>>97587605This art is even more offensive to me than the tranny LGBT art
>>97588104>quoting predditorslove this timeline!
I'm afraid to ask but, can we go lower? Is this the bottom? A cringe boomer kids franchise is getting a standard set and the question on my mind is can it really get worse than this?
>>97588146tmnt is for younger gen x and older millennialsstar trek is the boomer's franchise and that's coming up next
>>97588157Do fags still care about those? I get FF still has its fans, especially in nipland.
>>97587787I'm 99.99% certain The Hobbit is going to be the premier food focused set for awhile. Just wait to see what the midgets get up to if you don't want to be a party dude.
>>97588224>>97588146Hasbro will try to use anything they have the license/rights for. Everything they make toys of is on the table. They don't care about actual market appeal because the cost of making cardboard cards is dirt cheap, if set A and B and C flop all they need is set D to do well and they've recouped any losses. They know they have a captured base of paypigs who have made consooming Magic their personality and main hobby that they can rely on to keep the game going at a minimally profitable level, and the lack of real competitors (due to the player base's sunk cost fallacy and potential games refusing to just make a "Magic But Better" system) means they're more or less the only game in town so they don't actually have to be competitive to maintain their paypig base.A Barbie set? A distinct possibility. Paw Patrol? Not off the table. Bratz? We may just see it. Wreck-It-Ralph? Plausible. And if they release a glut of these sets and they all flop and the playerbase swears they're done with the game it won't matter because they're anchor them with Elden Ring or Harry Potter or Batman and a memberberry UW set like Return to Dominaria and they'll make a billy and have all the nerds salivating for more.If you genuinely can't stomach seeing Furby and the Power Rangers and Powerpuff Girls in Magic now is the time to quit because there is no bottom.
Somewhere in the future you find your old Magic collection in the basement after not playing for years. You get excited and show them to your kids. You start to tell them about the game and the epic battles you had and the game's history and how much money people used to spend. You ramble on an on. Then you look up and see them make this face. Your reaction?
>>97588311no, that will never happen
>>97588315Because you'll never have kids. Maybe Stacy and Tyrone next door will let you show lil Darius your cardboard toys
>>97588311All your passions will one way be seen as cringe and you just have to accept it. As it turns out, learning to enjoy yourself while accepting the cringe is the path to happiness. Free yourself from attachments. Exist only in the present moment. Your passion is for you and others who choose to share it alone. So long as it fills you with light, others will see the radiance you find within and come to seek it on their own.
>>97588409>Maybe Stacy and Tyrone next door will let you show lil Darius your cardboard toysBut I already have my own? I don't need to have some pedo chud my son his cards, when I could do it myself.
>>97588146They have access to all of Paramount's franchises so expect:Dora the ExplorerTerminatorJimmy NeutronThe RingWalker Texas Ranger
>>97588437*showDamn, typing to fast.
>>97588438We need Chuck Norris to complete the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny so that at least is a step in the right direction.
Wish these had Partner
I have literally zero UB cards in my 3 decks. if you complain about UB but use it, you are part of the problem
>>97588438>>97588146South ParkFamily GuyThe SimpsonsWhat else?
>>97588471So, they are both unblockable if both are on the board?
>>97588515Family Guy and Simpsons are both Fox (Now Disney)Here's a big ass list
>>97588522Together they're unstoppable
A mahjong set is cheaper than the current meta card, see ya at the parlor gents
Reminder to focus and kill on sight any player that plays a Turtle or Spiderman card>b-but other player will winthis is not about winning, its about making a statement, destroy on sight any slop card playerbully him into correction, no clients no whoresDO YOU PART
>>97588471All legal commanders can be partnered up during Pride Commander events at LGS.
>>97587605I want all these pizza themed cards. I'm gonna make a pizza deck.
>>97588438>The RingMaybe the western shit? They absolutely do not own the Ring IP.
>>97588311I'd slap my kids on the back for not being cringe faggots having nostalgia about PRODUCT.
>>97588146How was avatar not a cringe kid boomer franchise? Honestly?
>>97588311I will thankfully never have kids. I had to help raise my dead beat sisters kids. I'm good. Shit experience.
>>97588547I'd rather play GO. Looks cool.
>>97588471You can run in bebop and rocksteady though
>>97588595Let's be honest, Avatar is a millennial IP, TMNT is a gen X IP.
>>97588547those places make you bring your own set?
I've been playing MTG since 2018 and for every single set that has ever come out since then i've read spoilers daily, reading over every single card and making a list of the interesting ones i might use in some deck. This is the first set ever where i just can't be bothered to go over spoilers. My friends are asking me if there are good cards and for the first time i just don't know. Everything just looks so gross, stupid and uninspired. All of the cards meld together because there's 20 versions of each turtle. I just don't care. And it takes so much to make me not care.
>>97588673Turtles are squarely millenial, turtlemania was an early 90s thing anon. Gen X would be stuff like GI Joe, G1 Transformers, MASK, Original He-Man.
>>97588699>2018You are like baby
>>97588595Avatar is at least a genuine attempt at a story. It has characters, arcs, themes. Sure, it's aimed at children, but it's something. TMNT is just vapid slop. There's no other way to put it. It's peak 80s/90s garbage that only existed to sell toys, and that some sad people cling to while claiming that its somehow deeper. It feels like the furby secret lair, except it's an entire standard legal set. The source material is just too shit. This might legitimately be the worst UB product so far . At least the Office cards were just reskin secret lairs. This is a full standard set of what essentially is garbage.
>>97588673TMNT was airing at the same time avatar was.
>>97588713The new game is pretty fun
>>97588713Just say "because I like it due to fantasy"Because we know everything else is a desperate attempt to justify your own absurd hypocrisy.
>>97588699This was me with avatar
>>97588740TMNT is an embarassing boomer-adjascent toy selling franchise like transformers and if you unironically consider yourself a fan of it as an adult you should commit suicide
>>97588673is this like how star trek is literally a boomer or silent gen ip? Since it is 60's
>>97588673Turtlemania peaked when millennials were 3-8 years old
>>97588706The TMNT cartoon premiered in 1987 bro, that is before the cutoff for millennials even being born. The reception of this would be better if it were an actual millennial IP no doubt.
>>97587651
>>97588732TMNT was at peak cultural relevancy in like 1987-1992. Avatar started airing in 2005. There is a huge generational difference
>>97588775>that is before the cutoff for millennials even being born.
LOTR/Hobbit are literally a greatest generation IP. It predates the splitting of the atom. No one cries.>BUT IT'S A CLASSICSo is Don Quixote. No one cares.
>>97588699It brings a twisted smile to my face to see people finally feeling what I felt when they first announced the Walking Dead Secret lair that started UB. That sinking feeling that the soul is dead and only product™ lies ahead.
>mfw wotc releases a new UB
>>97588775>1987 is gen XThe cut-off for millenials is around 18 in the year 2000, the earliest millenials were born around 1982 anon
>>97588784Who are you talking to
>>97588812You
>MFW a very mediocre in universe set like lorwyn or bloomburrow but i have to pretend it's the greatest set ever because some people are so desperate for any set with original scrimblos on it
>>97588820
>>97588794Godzilla predates Walking dead by like half a year >BUT UNIQUE CARDSGodzilla, King of the Monsters, was a unique card
>>97588830b8
>>97588841Literally proving my point lmao
>>97588835>Godzilla, King of the Monsters, was a unique cardAnd a mistake
>>97588845But the start of UB is there. Not TWD.But you were okay with Godzilla because it was acceptable scrimblo. Rick was an unacceptable scrimblo.
>>97588794Considering how that was 6 (six) years ago what the fuck are you even doing here then
>>97588699>I'm having emotional distress over a silly card gameYou're free to leave at any time.
>>97588847Don't put words into my mouth. I was agreeing with you.>>97588848Still play coomander with the boys (no UB)
>>97588794>That sinking feeling that the soul is dead and only product™ lies aheadThere was only ever product. The game has always been a product. It was never about the art or the story, it was about selling cardboard to speculators and players. Investing in their own creative brand clearly wasn't worth the effort even when people were still getting into a decades worth of incredibly shallow planes
>>97588589Yeah the western remakes specifically
>>97588740>Get paragraph of reasons>JuSt sAy (retarded prenotioned strawman)It should be legal to kill you "people" on sight.
>>97588706Idk my cousin's kids were really into the new TMNT stuff until they were teens. I doubt it I asked them about it they would know or care however
>>97588766Yeah but the most popular series were late 80s through the nineties
>>97588874>that's different though...
>>97588794>That sinking feeling that the soul is dead and only product™ lies ahead.The game's soul died when they created the reserve list to protect investards card value. Antiubfags need to stop pretending like this game wasn't corporateslop before 2023.
>>97588713The original comics had real characters, arcs, and themes. It was a parody but had real soul
>>97588900Why are they all red bandannas
>>97588887What are you even arguing? I'm just saying Trek is thought of as a 90s franchise thanks to TNG being the most popular
>>97588784>implying I wouldnt love some Don Quixote cards or a MacBeth commander deck
>>97588913Yeah they hadn't come up with all the defining features yet at that point
Soon
I tried building an Edgar deck again, can i get a review of what i have so far please?https://moxfield.com/decks/gg_y6kLvlUutWw6IYxd2WA
>>97588946>I tried building an Edgar deck
>>97588946Your deck is pretty standard anon, Edgar is solved af. If you don't mind spending 1k USD for a deck, gl hf. You are just too low on removal, I mean, what do you do if some enchantment or artifact gives you trouble?
>>97588946Vampires aren't a playable tribe
>>97588967Mhm i just don't know what to cut in favor of more interaction, i feel like everything here besides maybe New Blood has an important function.Kinda hoping the deck will just have enough gas to function with less non-creature removal.
>>97588751Same, but I came around on it hard when I saw what the cards actually looked like.
>>97589008Exact opposite. Meme images and cartoon art don't fit on magic.
Why is Wizards so invested in desperately justifying shitty UB products to their investors?They put an unbelievable amount of value into the turtle precon landbases, way more than any precons before, clearly to prevent another Spidergoy-tier flop.But why? Why do they care whether it's UB or UW that they're tasked with making more of?
>>97588946I'd cut no mercywhat are you dark ritualing into?since you're going with the drain theme, I'd swap authority of the consuls to blind obedienceI kind of don't like pit fighter, but you're in desperate need of more draw>warren soultrader and sephirothyou should be slappedadd austere command and blasphemous act at the very least. corrupted conviction and village rites since you really should have a ton of tokens.
>>97589019That's what I thought Avatar would be like but they were surprisingly respectful. They threw most of the work to their Asian artists who did a really good job elevating their material. TMNT can't be elevated. It's toddler tier baby garbage with no depth. It might as well be Cocomelon to me.
>>97589030>Why is Wizards so invested in desperately justifying shitty UB products to their investors?Because in-universe sets from their perspective are wasting space that could be used to gamble. That’s it.I’ve said before but once you accept that all corporations are run by gambling addicts, the world will instantly make more sense to you. Why is every company inserting shitty AI features that don’t work into their products despite the biggest AI company in the world making losses in the capital B billions? Because they all think they’re going to be the company that wins on the roulette wheel and make a fortune.In-universe sets involve a lot of planning, you have to pay people to come up with ideas, a setting, characters etc, and then at the end of it all it might not resonate with players and even if it did it will likely only do modestly well.But with 3rd party IPs? The setting and characters are already done, the marketing is already done, the consumer interest is already there, all WotC has to do is the mechanically design they would be doing anyway, then pull that slot machine lever and see if you make 200 million in a single day like Final Fantashit.It’s as simple as that.
>>97589030They did it to prevent total rejection of the product. They did the same with with the Doctor Who precon manabases.
>>97589030It is cute you think the precon was designed in the past 5 months or something lmao
What are other video game themed cards we have outside of this precon? And I don't mean obvious vidya characters but cards with video-gamey names (Game Over, Continue?, Super Combo, Double Jump)
>>97589067It really doesn’t take much to see that Spider-Man flopped months ago, rip out some tapped lands from a precon and pay an artist for new art on high value reprints to insert instead.You could turn that around in weeks.
>>97589035>I'd cut no mercyI was considering that, but from my previous times playing Edgar i noticed that the deck just draws an outsized amount of hate regardless of how well it's actually doing, so i think No Mercy and Authority are probably gonna be very useful defensive tools to not leave the match too quickly, maybe?>what are you dark ritualing into?I mean it's generically good for putting out a bunch of creatures early, but casting an early Grave Pact/No Mercy/Beseech/Necropotence etc can really warp the game.>warren soultrader and sephirothWhy not? They're not vampires but they add in very valuable functions, Soul Trader in particular is a nice wincon since it's just a second phyrexian altar and can go infinite with oathsworn vampire + a blood artist effect.>add austere command and blasphemous actDo i really need more board wipes? I basically have 4 already.
>>97589067Entire South Park episodes used to be written, animated and produced in 1 week per episode.I think it's possible for wizards to commission some art in 5 months.
is he fun?
>>97589107Do you enjoy taking 30 minute turns of triggers?
>>97589115no
>>97587751
>>97589054the "UB I like vs UB I don't like" mentality, distilled
>>97588740Based and true
>>97589160The UB with a bare minimum level of artistic merit vs. the UB with negative artistic merit. There's potential to come around on Avatar. People are likely going to hate TMNT more the longer it exists.
>>97589084austere lets you wipe enchantments and artifacts when you need that and cmc4+ and artifact creatures/propaganda enchantments on turns when you want to swing for the token/trash kill.if not blas act then meltdown or crush contraband or something.>Why not?I know they're good, I'm just disappointed.addition: you don't seem to have much recurrence besides chthonian and oathsworn vampire. what do you do if you get wiped, especially since you want to be casting for edgar's extra token?
>>97589128Then avoid enchantress of any type.
>UB is killing magic!>Actually shit like this is killing magic.
>>97589169>People are likely going to hate TMNT more the longer it exists.Wrong, for several slamdunk reasons:>When the next UB set shows up, all of the shills will move onto hating the next set even though it's Hobbit, because hating new content drives engagement>Drafting TMNT is likely to be a fun experience because the cards are about as well-designed as ATLA's set, so you're relying on pure visuals to carry hatred forward >The cards are much healthier for standard because they don't contain Lessons and the izzet spells archetype is pretty muted in TMNT>Most of the cards are actually just fine visually. Yeah the pizzas are nasty looking but thats like five cards out of several hundred
>>97589208Aesthetics play a larger role in player perception than you think.
>>97589201This is one of my number 1 choices for a ban.
This is gonna be like 15 dollars.
>>97589217Again, most of the cards that look bad aren't playable outside of draft. People are desperate to convince themselves that Spicy Oatmeal Pizza is gonna be the next commander staple and that shit isn't even gonna see play in most limited decks
>>97589228Maybe, most talking heads are saying it's kinda shit. Which is weird, maybe they are trying to keep prices low for themselves
>>97589179>austere lets you wipe enchantments and artifactsHm that's true, maybe i should consider it...>what do you do if you get wipedI'm not quite sure, i guess either tutor for chthonian or hope i have boros charm/tefpro or plumb the forbidden on hand.I was trying to include some more reanimation at first but i just couldn't squeeze it in.
>>97589228This is a bad card. White has better options that simply keep their entire board alive. The only thing this has over all of this is it cost 2 mana and it gets around being made to sac your board and in syngerzes with ETB/LTBs.
>>97589268Nta but unlike regular white protection spells it also repeats ETB effects, i could see a lot of fucked up stuff happening with this.
>>97589279also lets a sacrifice deck just bring back 4 creatures to sac again.
>>97589242>Maybe, most talking heads are saying it's kinda shit.Exact opposite on social media.
I am angryANGRY ABOUT TURTLES
UB is fine. See pic related before any response.
>>97589228>>97589242There's cards that do better and are more versatile. I think most decks that are vulnerable to wraths are gonna want cards that just make everything indestructible like Boros Charm or Grand Crescendo or Rootborn Defenses rather than pull things out of the graveyard (partly because tokens can't be pulled back), and that's if they even want to run defenses and not just more options.I can see some decks that might want it as a combo piece, but for general usage I don't see the value. Even something like And They Shall Know No Fear is only $10 and that's with really limited quantities.
>>97589322
>https://youtu.be/xOV6H4NcGEs
>>97588471How many playable Boars and Rhinos are there to even warrant this?
>>97588471We already have the other versions of them with partner, but yes I would have liked it if these two did as well. Where are these from? Are there still even more previews?
>>97589376fucking BASED
>>97589376The card art doesn't even reference the song. Couldn't they have the ninjas at a concert or at least watching one from afar?
>>97589409They already did that with Harmonize. Which also has lyrics from the song
Will you be playing the ultimate slop commander?
>>97589416Goes in my pizza deck
Pretty sure you can pull off some jank with this but it's so ugly I don't want it.
>>97589416Man why do random ass uncommons have ygo amounts of text on them now? This is obnoxious.
Every Baxter printed sucks ass
>>97589400Some guy cracking packs on Youtube so these are from the actual set
Metalhead seems alright
The fuck is with the cheese-cum in this horrendous set?
>>97589416>>97589425>>97589429>>97589439>>97589455
>THIS IS THE WORST ART EVER ON CARDSPeople forgot about the grainy mid-animation screenshots pretty quick.
>>97589462I don't think anyone is buying
>>97589476I am.
>>97589478I don't believe you>>97589482What level is this on the slop scale?
>>97589478Gonna have to buy thousands of times more than normal if you want you outweigh lost sales then
>>97589482
>>97589416whats the point of the random ass keywords like "disappear" if it needs a bible to explain what it does
>>97589476There's plenty of tasteless faggots to sell to anon, it just sucks how this won't sell as well as ECL and will be the next thing stuck at Costco (unless Kirkland learned their lesson and has stopped selling MTG)
>>97589485If you actually believe no one has interest in the set then you are desperately online.
>>97589437I guess they leaked a little early then. With those and the previews I guess this is the full set then?
>>97589485>april's turtle totsYou just know.
>>97589485>>97589490They're custom proxies, just wanted to see how many anons would believe it was real
>>97589455>Metalhead got a cardBout fucking time.
>>97589501Said literally no one ever.
>>97589504Metalhead was based and I really liked him as a kid.
>>97589476>When this creature is dealt damage it gets that many +1/1 counters. It must survive the damageI feel like I remember there being another creature similar to this. Something else that added +1/1s and required the creature to survive unlike Vigor that just converted the damage to +1/1s.
>>97589495Nah I already know, an irl friend of mine wants to get into Magic specifically because of the TMNT commander set. It's just that hardly any of the cards seem interesting to me personally.
Do you think they'll make a card based on the leader Hun?
>>97589509Hulk
>>97589511>>97589523Look man, we really don't need you to post every fucking card from the set. People who are interested will look it up, all you're doing is accelerating bump limit.
some dumbass ideas while I sit here waiting for this asshole to figure out his combo: >Herald of AssbeatingsGGGAvatar Druid3/3TrampleIf an effect an opponent controls would have you pay mana, creatures you control gain +X/+X trample and haste until end of turn instead, where X is the mana to be paid. Goaded creatures you control can attack the player that goaded it, if they do, they gain annihilator 1. If a creature you control cannot attack an opponent due to effects controlled by that opponent, that player loses the game if the total power of creatures you control is greater than their life total.>Leyline of Trinisphere7enchantmentstandard leyline effectMana that wasn't generated from lands can't be spent. If a spell was cast without any mana being paid for it, put it into exile instead.>Goblin Bamboozler R1/1 Goblin AdvisorWard - Skip your next turn.All triggered abilities are now "You take 2 damage." t: All trigger predicates for all cards and permanents in all public zones are satisfied. >Essence DeformityWBInstantHexproofEscalation: Increase your commander tax by 2Replace all instances of 'each' and 'all' with 'target' on target spell.Replace all instances of 'destroy' with 'exile' on target spell.
>>97589541Just one more piece of slop anon
>>97589543>Ward - Skip your next turn.>All triggered abilities are now "You take 2 damage."So the creatures own ward ability is just the owner takes 2 damage? Is it just to psyche people out with the crazy ward cost?
>>97589531I forgot he also gained counters on taking damage. But no, it was Hungering Hydra. It was the part about specifically needing to survive that I was remembering. Thanks either way.
>>97589523Possibly. Seems like they're going deep for characters. Do we have the actual full set now or are we still getting previews?
I'm going full battlecruiser with a ramp commander for my next (budget) deck. I'm brewing the following ones:Ruby Gruul cascadeRivaz Rakdos Dragon tribalArixmethes Simic sea monsters tribalwhich one is the most fun/promising? table is fairly low power (goodstuff bracket 2 / dogshit bracket 3).I learned that people build ruby without any 1-3cmc spells, which sounds risky since early removal will set you back 2 whole turns, but once she gets going, she is a neverending stream of flashy creatures. Rivaz comes with better interaction and recursion, but the card draw feels meh on a budget. Arixmethes is a potential battlecruiser in the command zone, will probably be safer than Ruby but also slower.
I wish Lorwyn hadn't sucked.
>>97589482I'll send this in mtg Whatsapp groups and people will believe
>>97589573Arixmethes seems more fun imo because you can put this lil'guy in the deck
>slop?>slop!>Slop slop slop slop>slop>Slop slopI see the flock of brain damaged parrots that always descend on the thread when a new set drops have arrived.
>>97588257Low iq take
>>97589582Why do you feel it sucked?
>>97588257>Return to DominariaAfter Dominaria United and Brothers War I don't think there's any enthusiasm left for going back.
>>97588471Actually kind of cool design
>>97589620Brother's War was pretty cool except for Prototype. I wish they would stop putting these alchemy mechanics in the paper game.
>>97589628Just remember it you stupid fag. What are you not good enough to remember the 500 tracking issues introduced in every set? It would be too hard for R&D to use counters indicating this.
>>97589603slop post
>>97589614Art is so soLiterally no interesting commanders to meHeavily focused on tribal mechanics, which is a very boring babbies first archetype thingFocus on -1 counters which are just annoyingUnfun limited.But, why do I need to even give reasons? It was shit. Just like you say other sets are shit that you dislike.
>>97589603They gave avatar a pass because it QUENCHITIZED ME CAP'NMY CABBAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEES
>>97589548Why does the art in this set look so disgusting? I don't even dislike TMNT but this is on another level, everything looks gross
>>97589416
>>97588946Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos are just win more cards in this deck.
>Full art basics arrived so now my deck only has them.Good feel
Can I get a list of the sets I have to hate and which I have to love?
>>97589677Like what you like, stop being a sheep.I like Aetherdrift. Deal with it.
>>97589677The only set you absolutely have to like is fifth dawn. The rest is up for debate.
They need to print this nigga into paper already
>>97589669Which full art basics?
>>97589711Swamps and mountains from ECLMountains and Plains from ICL
>>97589074Unfinity, maybe?
>>97589208>Wrong, for several slamdunk reasons:>>Drafting TMNT is likely to be a fun experienceYour "slam dunk" reasons include that you THINK limited might be fun?
>>97589667In a pure aggro Edgar build i would maybe agree but I went for a slightly slower build that focuses a bit more on the aristocrats theme.I need defensive tools that dissuade people from taking me out too early because of how much aggro this commander always draws, at least in my LGS.
>>97589706Please. There are so many Arena cards that could be easily ported to paper and I can't fathom why they haven't yet.
>>97589782Those aren't going to dissuade anyone. You're just going to draw even more attention and focus from the table with those. Deservedly so.
>>97589766I never saw a Spiderman limited event fire after the six person pre-release. Lorwyn had fifty people at pre-release and there have been multiple draft nights since.
>>97589649Yeah, when the rares and mythics were spoiled I was kind of excited, but the rest is really bad. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH FUCKING PIZZA? I remember they ate pizza at the end of the episode when they solved the problem, but I don't remember so many instances of pizza.
Anyone have suggestions for a good UR(X?) big spells commander?I'm thinking about doing Ashling Rekindled, but I'm wondering if anyone else has any sauce for a commander she might be better in the 99 of.
>>97589782 see >>97589832There is absolutely nothing in the game that draws more attention then forcing people to sac/discard. Best case scenario the table goes into a temporary truce as people dig to find enchantment removal. Average case, you just made yourself the archenemy which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to use those cards for. Slamming either of those down on the table is going to paint a great big target on you.
>looking through spoilers to see if there's any cards I want>each turtle has like 4 goddamn alts>each alt has like 3 goddamn different art stylesUB aside this is one of the most visually annoying sets I can remember seeing. I'm actually getting pissed off trying to look through this shit.
>>97589907NTA, but I play Zurzoth. Making EVERYONE draw and randomly discard is annoying, but much softer than more direct hand attack. My opponents tend to be annoyed that I have them do it so much, but it doesn't draw much ire. There's definitely some nuance to what ticks players off and draws their attention to you. Vague, sliding scales of "how badly do I need to respond to this" and "how much does their deck make me feel like responding to it?"
>>97589832>>97589907No i know it draws aggro, but my point is that decks like Edgar are already the archenemy by default, at least in many of my matches here.Grave Pact is awesome because I have an endless supply of disposable tokens that can cost each player easily 5+ creatures + potentially a bunch of life if one of them chooses to swing at me, so it usually bought me at least a few turns of relative comfort that I otherwise wouldn't have had, when I used it in the past.Of course I could cut them but I struggle to think of any cards that would have a more outsized impact that I could replace them with.
>>97589923To add to this, Grave Pact at times also has a nice politics element where other players will be upset at each other for attacking me because they don't want their stuff to die.Of course it sometimes gets removed quickly, but when it sticks around for a while it's one of the best bulwarks in the game.
Does anyone have recommendations for interaction spells in UG? I need to readjust my new deck's ratio of creatures to noncreatures, and that means there's both room for and a need for some solid choices for removing and disabling threats.
>>97589700Is that Neil deGrasse Tyson
>>97589864Jeffery Epstein personally requested this set before his untimely death.
>>97589921Are you in on Devil tribal or do you mostly treat the Devil synergy as incidental? I'm trying to decide whether I should just include a few key Devils or go in on some subpar ones just to trigger more often.
>>97589766Drafters are already saying its looking pretty good so yeah I think it will be pretty good
>>97589915>>each turtle has like 4 goddamn altsSo it's half as bad as Avatar
Can't decide between staying 5c with Leo the Balance and Mikey the heart, or swapping to 2c and either going Donnie/Mikey or Mikey/Raph.
I gotta admit it's an interesting design
>>97590157I was confused why it said destroy instead of the normal sacrifice until I read the activated ability but yeah this does seem interesting.
>>97590003I do devil tribal. Mine technically counts as a Bracket 1 deck, but it has enough threat from the devil token generation that it plays well in my group that mostly aims for Bracket 2s.
A thousand fetish based proxies were born
>>97590157Might be a bit too cute, but it's at least novel.
>>97589470Those are ugly, but they're reprints not even available to use in standard so easy to avoid or get alts for. TMNT is ugly, legal for the next 3 years AND mechanically unique.
>>97590305posted it again award
>>97590140The thing about Avatar is that the character alts are from different points in the series and reflected the growth of those characters. Stuffing two full sheets with the same characters for the main set and Jumpstart really made it feel like they were going overboard though, especially with Zuko. Exiled Prince, Seeking Honor, and Avatar Hunter are from the same point in the series. They didn't need all three of those. Exiled Prince, Conflicted, Firebending Master, and Fire Lord represent his character arcs well enough. There's fucking nothing in TMNT. It's an episodic baby property and the characters remain static because a toy from last year needs to be able to be sold to the kid watching the show for the first time this year.
>>97590337>actually those aren't anywhere near as bad becauseFuck off. Thanks.
>>97590342Retard.
>>97590342He's right
>>97590337I like Avatar but let's not downplay the screenshot sheet. It's easily the worst thing about the set.
>>97590351Oh I agree completely, it's atrocious and they're rightfully laughingstocks.
>>97590350Why did they make this?
>>97590361we may never know
Autoinclude in pic related
>>97590389>>97590288
>>97590371>Why is the creature type Turtle? Isn't she the thicc punk pig girl? No? Wait, where is... oh, is she that one?
>>97590389Penis
>>97587605pizza bukkake
>>97589996This also explains the rise of anime alt art.
>call the card Raph’s Jitte>He's clearly holding a Sai
>>97590494The sai/jitte thing is confusing to me. People say it was changed because woke but I don't really see how one is woker than the other. It seems to me like they just changed it to make it clear that MtG Turtles is its own alt universe like Rise or 2006 or whatever, but if that's the case why is this the only element that seems unique to Magic TMNT? Ape-ril being directly lifted from Rise, all the IDW mutants...
I feel really dumb for asking this, but can I get a rules clarification? With cards like Xolatoyac and Grolnok, where they have one ability that creates counters, then another, separate paragraph that refers to effects involving those counters, do the additional effects still function after these goofy amphibians leave the field?
>>97590535Not unless the effect is tied to counter creation (a la Obsidian Fireheart), but they'll be back "online" if those creatures return to the battlefield.
Literally me
>Neutrinos got a cardextremely based
How true is this?
>>97590601huh?
>>97590601Black would be sitting down on the toilet and trying to piss into the toilet sink from there.
I haven't been following. Is there a card for this yet?https://youtu.be/6bdHBoG2bLY?si=kPINJY1CVFyVtzyX
>>97590597>basedYou can stop trying to shill shit shit any time
>>97590643>?si=kPINJY1CVFyVtzyXAll of this is a tracking URL.It's nothing to worry about but it's used by Youtube to see who shares videos and who receives the shared link. You can cut it entirely without affecting the link. Some browsers like Brave can automatically generate clean links also
>>97590650lol no
>>97590597Completely forgot those were part of the turtle-verse, it has been a while. What about the goalie vigilante, seen him yet?
>>97590666Yeah he got like 6 cards. All red.
>>97590658Do you think anyone cares?
>>97590666>What about the goalie vigilante, seen him yet?I think the worst thing about UB for me is that Magic threads just become a gathering place for spergs to talk about the most obscure shit no one's ever heard of relating to their special-interest IP.It was the same for Final Fantashit, it was the same for Quenchy Cabbatar. We all have to put up with completely off topic discussion for weeks just because WotC is selling ads on trading cards.
>>97590494
>>97590680Enough people care for it to be an automatic feature on privacy-focused browsers so uh...yah, I do think plenty of people care actually.
>>97590690Cool I am going to make a point to not remove said tracking from now on
>>97590713Okie dokie, datapiggy
>>97590716If I wanted your data I'd toss a few grand to a legal seller of it.
>>97590719I have no idea what you think you're arguing against.All I said was that youtube is tracking you and everyone who clicks that link and it's really easy to cut out.Whatever mental illnesses make this sound like an attack on you should be discussed with a medical professional.
>>97590658Okay but did they make a card of it?
I fucking hate dinosaurs so much. I cannot think of a more braindead tribe. At least with Slivers and Dragons you have to try to make a 5 color manabase work. Dinosaurs are retard autoplay cards for drooling retards. Just look at this shit. An above-curve body that's also an anthem and evasion. Shamelessly pushed crap.
Do you even have to planeswalk? Is it a really bullshit mechanic that ruins shit? Never bothered with the mechanic before
>>97590759You vote, but nothing happens after.>>97590755Trvke
>>97590759if you're not playing planechase, plansewalking and chaos don't do anything.
>>97590578>Human Hero>colored artifactOh I hate it>>97590601White would be Trans
>>97590755I kinda like dinosaurs as "big, fuck-off creatures," but I do agree that they're pushed too hard. They should be in very few planes/sets in general, IMO.
>>97587641>thirty (40) life>40lol
>>97590789Anon you'd hate it regardless due to tmnt
>>97590809anon it's been 16 (dieciseis) hours since I__ made that joke, did you only get it now?
>>97590834Okay granted but I hate this on a mechanical level rather than on principle
>>97590848Why do retards think that once a post reaches like 2 hours old you can't reply to it anymore?
Today was quite productive. Soon it will be time. Does anyone want a deck built by an absolutely unhinged crazy person who will follow your constraints, but absolutely do whatever he wants?
>>97590933no
>>97590531Apparently one of their dogshit consulting firms believes random twitter posts taht Sais were invented in islands Japan brutally raped and conquered in the 1200s and the natives get discriminated against and somehow that means we can't use sais in a modern american made collectible card game because of that.Except we can when they use original or company supplied art.
>>97590755Anybody who plays this card or any turtle card alongside real Magic is a gigafaggot
>>97590938I think you would be surprised. I am much competent than I'm implying, but significantly more insane.What would you want?
>>97590953And you'll sit there and seethe quietly while I win lmao bitch
>>97590966You certainly wont win with that card.
>>97590977Nah I'll win with my based Shredder
>>97590998Based on what?
Best card in the set coming through
>>97591010I'm not sure which version of him it is based on
>>97591015What the hell's a dregg?
>>97591015I'm okay with this
>>97591043Sentai villian, obviously.
>>97591015what's with these shitty unplayable commanders
>>97591053It's a standard set and it is UB which means a lot of generic shit draft chaff effects have to be stapled on to legendaries.
>>97591059wrong.
>>97591053what do you mean anon?
>>97591083Are you stupid?
>>97590755And people wonder why spells like Farewell and Cyclonic Rift or so ubiquitous in the format.
>>97590755>Hey guys how do we fix dinosaurs>Make them dragonsAmazing design WotC.
>>97591086why is she not a fat black woman
>hanging out doing FNM commander >talking to the LGS owner>he cancelled the TMNT pre-releases next week>usually have all sold out already>he sold two tickets to each and has since refunded them>has asked to cancel his stock order as he knows they will not sell>just going to run a normal commander night insteadIt's grim
>>97591356this is what needs to happen worldwide for wotc to pump to brakes on this shit
>>97591086>kunoichiwtf that's sexist
>>97591365It's just sad for the owner, he's getting fucked over on already thin margins because wotc are retarded.Genuinely who wanted this set
>>97591386Hasbro thinks UB makes money in general. Don't ask why FF and LotR sold well, they were crossovers, crossovers mean money
>>97591356LGS here likes to hand out boxes of spiderman as prizes for things
What the fuck is with all these uncommon legendaries in TMNT?After Lotwyn had like 10 legendaries, it feels like TMNT has hundreds
>>97591408Ubs always have a ton of legendaries. Are you fucking new? FF had over 100
>>97591365I saw an article recently that Hasbro actually already has adjusted how hard they're going with UB. As attention-grabbing as the headlines about "best selling set ever!!!!" are, the actual growth for the company has apparently only been single-digit
>>97591422It seemed like WotC were trying to reduce the number of legendaries is all. I would have thought, specifically because of the retarded number in FF and Spiderman
>>97591434They are. There are numerous characters in the set that are generic but could have been legendary and they chose not to. Same in Spider-Man. This IS them turning it down.This is the problem of having UB. And there isn't a good way to solve it because if you just cut every character, people will bitch that their favorite didn't get in.
>>97591445I'M STILL MAD.
>>9759140831 not legendary 59 legendary in the main set
I'm not gonna lie I'm kinda floored by how many people are tmnt fans. I didn't realize it was that beloved by so many.
>>97591462it's weird because I should be in that category (when I was 9 I literally asked for to have my birthday party at a sewer) but I just don't give a fuck now
>>97589602he cute
>>97589602>not turtlesdamn
>>97591462I don't get why this shocks everyone here. TMNT has been popular for like 40 years. There has been an ongoing cartoon in some form pretty much non-stop since 03. It had major films barely a decade ago. TMNT is a franchise that is multi-generational.
>>97591458I am too (because her card sucks)
>>97591516She got a couple of cards since she's the focal point of Conformer Shuriken. The greatest mhigger the world has ever known didn't even get a mention despite being one of the more important villains in XIV.
>>97591458FFVIII got done so raw. Tons of niche characters from other games made it (pic related) and FFVIII just has nothing. If they do Final Fantasy again hopefully they'll fix that.
>>97591272She's a blerd so she has to be designed like she's selling routers
>>97591601I wish cait sith was even remotely interesting but he's just too slow and with a boring ability
>>97589573tested ruby tonight on a $200 budget with 5.4 average mana value and won 1 game out of 3. 38 lands, 14x4 cmc ramp, cascade subtheme. land flooded in last game because drew 5 lands in a row and just had the two koglas and my commander for 5 turns.radagast the brown was the absolute MVP in the deck tho, retarded value in the two first games. Terastodon was fun too against a blink deck that tried to exile it with that one 4cmc artifact, only for me to free it again with one of my endless green removals and destroying 5 of his lands in the process. good times
>>97589706This but pic related
>>97591356t. does not live in alaska
>>97590339>There's fucking nothing in TMNT. It's an episodic baby property and the characters remain static because a toy from last year needs to be able to be sold to the kid watching the show for the first time this year.wow it's almost like unlike avatar which is a self-contained story that concludes TMNT has the same issues as other western comics wherein they can never conclude the series and so it shifts from its original grimdark tone to saturday morning kid stuff at a moment's notice>i'll see you again in marvel super heroes where you will 100% whine again because you keep seeing multiple iron men from golden, silver, bronze, and modern ages
>>97591687I don't want Marvel either but at least there's some amount of character growth. TMNT was just a bad idea for a non-SL UB.
>>97591404>Don't ask why FF and LotR sold wellwell as a pretend ceo let me ask you why are UB IPs like FF, LotR, and Avatar the #1, #2, and #3 best selling sets of all time?
>>97591684Yeah I'm UK
>>97591734>Avatar #3 best sellingHard doubt.
>>97591703>at least there's some amount of character growth>in western comics>where the characters never learn anything so they can be reused in future storylines foreverlol there's many reasons why japanese manga has been kicking their ass for the longest time now, and one of them is that the nips can end a fucking story
Who's going to be the first UB planeswalker?
>>97591748>hasbro says they're readjusting their UB expectations>must be true because it confirms my biases>hasbro says avatar is the #3 best selling set>must be false because it contradicts my biases
>>97591756
>>97591703>TMNT was just a bad idea for a non-SL UB.almost every western IP nowadays is suspect, wotc's best bets are asian/asian adjacent
>>97591756We've had a few already
>>97591687>where you will 100% whine again because you keep seeing multiple iron men from golden, silver, bronze, and modern agesIs there even really that much of a difference between them? OMD proved that Marvel is anal about their status quos for their main characters except Literally Whos like fucking Sentry
>>97591749Yeah, the most popular tranimes are the ones with endings... like Dragon Ball, Wan Piss, Nardo... oh wait! Turns out weebs just have way lower standards and will buy literally anything a gook made.>>97591775This is what tranimes actually believe.
>>97591763Without actual sales figures I don't believe anything, and neither should you. One way or the other.
>>97591785Dragon Ball has an ending. As does Z. And Super.
>>97591782there's no difference because western comics suck for a multitude of reasons, this will be the same reaction if ever wotc gets batman (pretty much the entire DC universe is reducible to batman)
>>97591771Yes and no, they didn't call the forgotten realms stuff UB for some reason.
>>97591785>Turns out weebs just have way lower standards and will buy literally anything a gook made.the fact that they buy stuff and give back to the ip they love only proves my point, proxyfag
>>97591809wotc owns d&d, that's why
>>97591785All of those anime you mentioned have time skips and character growth as arcs go on. One Piece less so since Luffy is a purposefully static character whose whole deal is childish charisma but Dragonball and Naruto grew with the audience, as does nearly every other long runner.
>>97591675that's actually cute
>>97591785Dragon Ball and Naruto have endings, and One Piece is getting one.You confuse sequels with serialization.
>end of the game>random wheel is cast>discard all of my interaction and wincon>draw 7 lands>get board wiped>top deck cavalier of flame and win
>>97590601You're already playing MtG.
would
>Don't attack me, it would be a mistake, I'm not even the board leader.>I think i will attack you just because I need to feel like I'm doing something.>Return his entire attacking board to his hand or exile his entire attacking board>Why are you kingmaking bro?So tired. So fucking tired. You focus the person who's ahead until their not unless you absolutely need a trigger.
>>97592068>Why are you kingmaking bro?>I thought to punish you because I felt the need to do somethingthat should be your immediate riposte moving forward
>>97591756if they ever do a TES UB there are so many good options there
>>97591756Planeswalkers shouldn't be associated with cards. Players are planeswalkers. They also shouldn't be, from the perspective of the characters in the universe, 'human'
>>97592191>Planewalkers can not and should not help one another.Nonsense take.
>>97592191>players are planeswalkers and therefore cannot be on the battlefield whatsoeverthat ship sailed long ago retard
>>97591404Avatar sold well too, even with the dumbass screencap cards. It's so sad that a mechanic that makes manlands as relevant as earthbend has is stuck in a UB set thats never getting a second set
>>97592245>It's so sad that a mechanic that makes manlands as relevant as earthbend has is stuck in a UB set thats never getting a second setthere's always legend of korra
>>97592247Korra will hedge on the coomer dollar. There isn't much else there other than a continuation of popular UB specific mechanics.
>>97591792>>97591822>>97591829There is actually nothing stopping producers from doing The Continuing Adventures of Goku, Dragon Ball already had a bunch of anime-only episodes. I forgive you three for not knowing this, cuz you were busy not being born for twenty years when Dragon Ball was contemporary
>Friend suggests to the pod that we house ban board wipes that force sac or do -x/-x>Then tells us how he's just ordered a sliver queen with his tax refund
>>97592294remove all timmies from the premises
>>97592191Q is gonna make a sick planeswalker honestly
>>97592278toei can milk dragonball all they want until the end of time, doesn't change the fact that>the dragonball manga had a definitive ending>the manga industry isn't absolutely dependent on the dragonball ip to survive because they actually have other ips in their rosterluxuries that western comics don't havei don't forgive you for not knowing this, cuz you were busy huffing your own fart and being too much of a general idiot
/edhg/, what do you do when a player says the following:>Yeah you can swing at me, I'm ahead and I can take it>You spent 5 turns doing nothing so I'm hitting you, game's got to end sometime>I'll chump block 17 damage with a combo piece, life totals matter>Kingmaking doesn't exist, someone is always going to make a choice that puts some player ahead of another
>>97592312I attack you for 21
>>97592305He's just going to force us to run exile board wipes which removes any chance to get his slivers back, so I don't understand his thought process.
>>97592312>Yeah you can swing at me, I'm ahead and I can take ityou're salty that someone not only won but absolutely dabbed on you huh
>>97592329>I don't understand his thought process.he spent his tax refund on memorabilia like sliver queen when he clearly doesn't have the income to support such luxurious spending, some people are just that financially stupid
>>97592311The comic industry has plenty of new big cultural hits tho: Walking Dead, Invincible, and The Boys are the big ones that come to mind. Even if I were to limit myself to the Big Two publishers, DC's Absolute run has been banger after banger, and Marvel has the MCU
>>97592294Run Evacuation and Wheel of Fortune
>>97591771I hate this stupid nigger card so fucking much taking a shit on the lore of TWO different characters at the same time and putting it on an unplayable filler mythic.
>>97592342>yeah i can name 5: invincible, the boys, dc, marvel, and uh... the walking dead!lol only 5?that's peanuts compared to the JP industry and the emerging CN and KR industryand that's the most charitable view of your argument btw, don't get me started on how walking dead has no lasting impact (remember how no one was hyped when it was announced as the first SL?), that DC is just BATMAN, and marvel has completely jumped the shark and absolutely wasted their mcu momentum
>>97592342TWD already spent all of its cultural staying power. MCU doesn't count since A: They're movies, not comics, and B: It's ALSO not doing so hot right now.
>>97591756Omega or Gilgamesh when they do FF again
>>97592367Only weebs can name 5 anime series in the same time period with the same kind of cultural impact. And since I am also one, I can do it for you to speed this dumbass conversation along:>Jujutsu Kaisen>DanDaDan>Demon Slayer>Chainsaw Man>My Hero Academia>>97592365The MCU is a series of explicitly comic book movies, it absolutely counts and you are coping deeply about that. And point B doesn't even matter, even if it were to stop today, it would not undo all of the cultural sway that it had globally though. Things can be impactful while still being aged out of what is hip in the now
>>97592393I've got the post quotes flipped, make some fuckin lemonade with this you dweebs
>>97592393>it absolutely counts and you are coping deeply about thati'm not even denying the success the mcu had (how can you even waste something that you never got), in truth you're the one coping that the mcu didn't squander its momentum not because of hard to see future trends but because of woke dei bs (*cough* captain marvel)me believing that MSH will sell well has nothing to do with the fact that the western comics and western IP is being routinely beaten by manga and asian IP as a whole
>>97592411Again, this argument is dumb as hell. Things can have been very successful and very important and also have fallen off. But if we're going by raw sales Dav Pilkey is still mogging all of Asia. Which is why - in an attempt to steelman your own dumb argument - I have been staying away from sales figures and shit because cultural cachet is not necessarily the thing which sells the most.
>>97592430>But if we're going by raw sales Dav Pilkey is still mogging all of Asiado you really think dav pilkey fans are the same demo that will spend on cardboard? way to miss the whole pointthe question has always been "what demo wotc should collab with so that they can sell more cardboard" and you're not doing a good job advocating for wotc to collab with more western IPs
>>97592393you forgot freiren imo
Is it worth it to buy a copy of wasteland? How often do you run into strong lands to justify buying this card.
>>97592452Is that a stand?
>>97592478if it's not going to screw you over color wise, sure you can spend on wastelandjust a reminder that single target land destruction is not worth a card and has to be stapled to other effects to be truly worth italso the best land decks are in truth graveyard decks
>>97592448All the weebs already play the weeb card game, its Pokemon (or more rarely Yugioh and much much more rarely Weiss-Schwarz) and they're not that likely to pick up a new TCG even with the collab; Final Fantasy has mass appeal that a lot of animes really don't. And the animes with the largest mass appeal mostly all have their own TCGs which kinda obviates the need for a collab though a DBZ set would be among the fastest selling cards of all time I imagine.>>97592452yeah, probably replace demon slayer with it
Am I just fucked against this in mono red if someone plays it? A buddy has it and Blind Obedience in his usual enchantress deck and my Jaxis just cannot play through ether of them.
>>97592499final fantasy has its own card game but that didn't stop them from collaborating with mtgit should be telling to you that the only other mtg competitor in the physical space with plenty of western themes is flesh and blood, the TCG industry is rife with anime/anime adjacent IPs for a reaosn
>>97592478No, useGhost QuarterTec EdgeVolatile FaultDemolition FieldField of Ruin in that orderAlso I agree with everything >>97592495 says, you'll need to expire their grave as well if it comes to this.
>>97592520Unless you get your chaos warp or start running colorless removal, yes.
>>97592520every deck should run authority, there's literally no reason not to (aside from $ or whatever)
>>97592525I guess it does have a TCG, so sure. But I hate vagueposting so quit it. I'd love to see a DBZ collab.
>>97592542>Turn one try and play it>Another player commandeers itOne of the moments where you can't do anything but chuckle, but yes, it is a strong card a lot of people sleep on.
>>97589425This might be the only card I'm slight interested in for this set. I think with Karlach or Aurelia you can get infinite combat steps
>>97592594>I think with Karlach or Aurelia you can get infinite combat steps"attacking" effects don't trigger "attack" triggers, just like how kaalia and master of cruelties work together
You fags still play magic?
>>97592618That makes more sense. I guess you want to run alot of ETB stuff then
new to tcgs, I find mtg actually interesting compared to pokemon or lorcana. Someone told me flesh & blood and riftbound are the best card games today , one piece also not bad but scalpers a ruining . Why is pokemon tcg so popular it feels mediocre compared to mtg or orthers. I also find retarted that pikachu ilustrator card sold for 16m and is not even playable in the game.
>>97589425balloon man/RW abdel bros...
>>97592619Yes. I'm trying to tune a deck right now as we speak.
>>97592191So then I can win the game by targeting you with heroes downfall?
>>97592631>Why is pokemon tcg so popularpokemon is a collectible first and a card game last, the cardgame lives by virtue of its IP alone as its mechanics are indeed terrible>i find mtg actually interestingyou should as mtg is actually the inverse of pokemon, it's lasted for more than 30 years by virtue of its mechanics alone as mtg ip is indeed terrible, lorcana mechanics taking a lot of inspiration from mtg only serves as more proof of this
>>97592520Splash white for enchantment removal like Garfield intended
>>97592631Riftbound is LOL which is why it is the best
>>97592631>Why is pokemon tcg so popular it feels mediocrebecause it's got pikachus on it.>Someone told me flesh & blood and riftbound are the best card games todaynobody's played riftbound because of distribution problems. flesh and blood seems fine, but it's a different kind of setup than what most card games try to do.
>>97592631Pokemon TCG survives and is popular by virtue of Pokemon being a colossal monster of an IP, of which the TCG is unironically one of the least important aspects. When cards in the pokemon TCG get expensive, it's because they're collector's items first and game pieces like, fifth. In magic, the "Game piece" apsect matters a LOT more for the prices of things, though it has waned a bit in recent years. And you also have to remember, MtG was the original TCG. To the point that WotC used to actually literally own the concept of a "Trading card game" and received royalties from literally all their competition as a result. If Magic's basic mechanical systems and gameplay loop weren't sound, then TCGs as a concept likely would've died out in the mid-late 90's.
>>97592690We ride sheldon's dead dick here nigga
>>97592631Magics most popular format is commander which is the casual play basically 99.99% of the cards in the game and do whatever you want. It's also the most whiny format because it's considered the kitty pool and where retired tournament winners or wannabe tournament winners go to die. Pokemon is so mind boggling boring that nobody plays it in paper it's just a scalpers heaven and collectors beanie baby bubble bullshit. Flesh and blood is alright but basically non existent in all the LGS I've been too. One piece is fun but if you're not an anime fan or a part of that community you'll be turned off by the player base. Riftbound literally just came out so idk anything about it and lorcana is for Disney adults and their children and had a lot of mechanics used from magic the gathering. Magic is in a weird spot right now because it's becoming bigger from universes beyond pulling in new players and veteran players having meltdowns because SpongeBob killed their commander so some people claim it's gonna die some think it's just gonna be a different card game it's a mess in the magic community.TLDR Magic in my opinion is the best for fun, everything else is better if you want competitive play and tournaments without spending 5 grand
>>97592718that's right brother rhystic study is the spirit of the format and should be in every pod
>>97592730I still need to build Sheldor some day
>>97592631>Why is pokemon tcg so popular it feels mediocre compared to mtg or orthers.Pokemon is less of a game and more of a collector's item that is heavily bought by scalpers/investors. Pokemon's gameplay is legit awful and easily the worst of the big 3 tcgs. Riftbound is actually pretty good, if Magic died that's probably where I would migrate to.
>>97592278I'm old as shit anon. Dragon Ball ended. Z ended. Gt ended. Each movie is a seperate timeline. Super is a seperate timeline that ended. You arent even talking about the super deep videogame lore 1000 years in the future.
>>97592728I've seen pokemon night at my LGS, its like 20 nonwhite adults of varying sizes
>>97592728>TLDR Magic in my opinion is the best for fun, everything else is better if you want competitive play and tournaments without spending 5 grandmtg is also the best for competitive, you can't say mtg has the best mechanics while at the same time say it's not the best for sweaty play, mtg prices have nothing to do with that
>>97592730Aye, the mere idea of it getting banned or hybrid mana being allowed is like shitting on the mona lisa
>>97591356>>just going to run a normal commander night instead>It's grimBASED!
>>97592728You dont have to spend five grand. The cost of your deck goes down after acquiring the expensive cards. Start drafting, get a shitload of standard cards, slowly convert them into eternal staples by being good, and your costs go down significantly.
>>97592818this nigga is cultured asf, limited is indeed the best format.
I'm gonna put Kediss in my Azula deck but I don't know what to take out, what do you guys think?https://archidekt.com/decks/17726128/bpd
I'm going to do it. I'm going to make a silly deck and no one can stop me
9+ meme interaction that is now my life's mission to pull off.
>>97593187The copies don't resolve simultaneously so you're softcapped by total toughness on the board since creatures will start dying between resolutions.
>>97593197Damn.
>>97593187If you want to do something retarded with her in boros, just copy generous gift
>>97593187Why dont you just play Arcbond? Maybe cast berserk on an opponent's creature and arcbond the dude that's taking huge damage.
>>97593213I forgot the other half, casting it on zada.
Daily reminder.
>>97593255Kek
>>97592631Find out what your local shop plays the most and play that. 95% chance that's Commander in which case I'd suggest looking through the card pool and finding a commander that looks interesting aesthetically and getting some help building it. You can play the Magic Arena tutorial for the basic rules of how phases and activations work. If you have any franchises you like that have a UB set that can help you narrow down some aesthetics for a starter commander. You can also just pick up a precon that looks cool to you, but I'd suggest getting some help fixing it up to not be so messy. If your LGS plays Edison format Yugioh I'd try that too. But you didn't hear that from me.
How do (You) feel about not-Craterhoofs?
>>97590389>>97590288>>97590401
>>97593355He doesn't give trample but I really like this Tyvar. Being a big mana sink to keep increasing the buff is great.
Post Chad commanders.
>>97593355utter cope, fit only for unironic b1 theme decksif you're on a fast elfball list there's no substitute for hoof, and if you're on a slower token deck you're better off with more removal and/or leveraging other aspects of your commander (like commander damage, picrel)
>>97593363Fix your borders dumbass
>>97593380i would if the app generator could make a less shitty UI where I can't find the option to correct them.Also, can you do better? I don't see you posting any Elf Mommy Feet
>>97593355Always thought this guy could make a decent build around. His "against your opponents" buff sounds like it would warp games a lot.
>>97593355Seems dece
>>97593395I can in fact cut out the art of a card and put a new image in better than whatever it is you are doing. Don't generate portraits if you are going to be doing anything other than borderless styles, it will never fit in to base magic's tiny ass windows.
>>97593369
>>97593369Post your deck
>>97592312>1. Cool take 7, attack triggers, main phase 2 play things, pass turn>2. Cast removal on hit if it's lethal>3. Enjoy watching combo piece die>4. Kill that player on turn
>>97593120HELP ME DECIDE ANONS!!!
>>97593485take out propaganda
>>97593120>>97593485Ether is good but not good enough because it exiles itself
>>97593120>>97593485Don't be a bitch, cut Propoganda. Also probably Sephiroth's Intervention. Isn't that a little too over costed for what you're getting out of it? Isn't there some other removal option you could use? I'm also surprised to see you aren't running Frantic Search. I thought the untapping of lands and the dig deep it would do would be useful in Azula.
>>97593506>>97593493>>97593490I didn't even think about Frantic Search for some reason. Thank you guys.
>>97593453
>>97591756Ideally, Hajime Kanou or Shobu KirafudaSecond best would be Gilgamesh or the Warrior of LightAnything else would suck and be confusing
whens MAHVEL
If my curve stops at 4 should I bother with 2 mana mana rocks? Red black so I could just mash rituals. Something like 35% 1 drops, 40% 2 drops, 20% 3 drops, 5% 4 drops.
>>97593710Cancelled
My boss overheard me complaining about Jitte's in MTG but he heard me say "fucking jeets" and he thought I was talking about the fact that hes indian and a new manager. So I got fired. Thanks MaRo.
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>>97592312In response to any of those, I immediately win the game at instant speed. I always have it
>>97593619Did they fuck yet?
How do I into mardu tokens if I can't afford token doublers?
>>97594131>a) counterfeit the token doublers from Chinaman>b) you don't really need them, in my experience they are win more. Just be smart about how you use them and focus on the repeatable generators
>>97594131the same way you play anything without staplesnext
>>97592312what did he mean by these?
>>97594131Whatever big buff spell should let you swing lethal anyways. I used to run Rites of Initiation in my Locust God deck, spectacular sleeper hit if you run wheels or otherwise have good card draw.
>>97594178that's a lot of reanimation targets and persumably non-permanent ramp for a reanimator deck. usually the spells that cheat shit in are so cheap one doesn't need to ramp that hard and if I'm making everyone discard I want to consider reanimating their cards too. leaning more on mass discard if you have cards that care about that could be the move and not solely depend on your commander, altho I don't know who it is
>>97594170>you don't really need them, in my experience they are win more.I'm trying to make pic related work and I'm not nearly shitting out enough tokens>>97594197Need to go wide not tall
>>97594267>cast hordeling outburst>next turn cast awaken the blood avatarWhat is the issue? Also, find a way to go big on mana. Forth Eorlingis, Settle the Wastes, Marshal Coup, etc are mana hungry but can supply plenty without doublers.
>>97594312I'm not just trying to cast Blood Avatar 1 time, that's the issue.
all ai art slop jokes aside, why is WOTC so obsessed with food tokens now?they are the most boring token creation mechanic ever. why are they forcing it so much? I know that pizza is food and it fits so fucking perfect to le epic pizza from the TMNT universe.
>>97594317You could go a combo route with like storm-kiln artist + replicate spells, mirrorwing dragon / zada + heat shimmer, jolly balloon man + siege gang commander / similar.
>>97594338With any luck, they slapped R&D three years ago with all the complaints about treasures, so now everything's going to be food for four years.anyway it'l be funny when the hobbit turns out to be a treasure set instead of more food like everyone thinks
>>97594344>heat shimmerBit too priceyAlso those are all pretty high mana value cards thereThanks for the recommendations anyway but this might just be a deck I can't do on a budget
>>97593909>>97593946
>>97587605>that commander's plateFUCK SAKE! GOOD LORD WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!
>>97588104iF Plebbitards havce the same opinion we hold on something, then the fucktards who caused this common agreement needs to be fired out of a cannon and into the fucking sun ASAP.
>>97593909isn't it spelled 'Gee-tay'?
>get pod>guy brings someone clearly a little slow along>says it's his third game of commander>thinking about switching to a weak deck>the other guy is playing Thrasios/Tevesh Szat>stared at me blankly when I asked about bracketsIt wasn't a sweat deck and I feel bad for the new player, but holy fuck good thing I didn't downgrade. I saw at least five game changers come down on that side of the table. Why even bother teaching someone barely literate Magic if you're going to blow him out of the water?
>>97587605The flavor here is that the viewer (of different color identity) is so repulsed they just hesitate to get even near equipped creature
>>97594823>I saw a guy with a retard>he brings out a retard deck>so I lectured him on the esoteric conflageration and micromanagement of the format>as he stared at me slack jawed>and everything was fine>other than some cards that make my autism array fireNeat story anon.
>>97593766If your that low to the ground I wouldn't worry about it. What deck?
>>97594858No, the experienced guy with him was the slack-jawed one.
>>97594348>so now everything's going to be food for four yearsShit I'm kinda down. I've got Wernog that can create a shitload of clues, I've got Ognis that can create a shitload of treasures, I've got Shilgengar that can create a shitload of bloods. Give me something that can flood the board with foods and I can further complete the cycle
>>97594977whats your shilgengaer list like? I've been trying but I can't get a mix of reanimation-worthy angels and blood token producers
>>97595001https://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/21-02-26-SHE-deck-paste/It's quite budget, I proxied the expensive cards like Solemnity and Power Conduit. Pic rel was something I considered to just create a stupid amount of blood tokens, but I didn't end up needing it. Righteousness and Hold the Line are very funny on their own
IAMANGRYANGRY ABOUT TUUUUURTLES
>>97593909>can't keep your Epstein brain contained>Ruin lifeMany such cases
What about this screams flying?
>>97595156I would have accepted reach.
Anyone know how Auntie Ool performs out of the box? I already own some of the basic upgrades from Hapatra, so I'm thinking about adding red and just going nuts.
>>97595198Slow and clunky.
>>97594131I'm gonna be real with you anon. You don't need token doublers. If anything, go for damage doublers. The only token doublers I use are in my Esix deck, which is focused on quantity of tokens rather than quality of tokens made. My other token decks I've replaced with anthems and damage doublers.
>>97595230Is it more to do with the theme itself or just because of the stock manabase? I'm not opposed to spinning plates to make something work.
>>97595301The mana base is pretty shit, it has all 3 bounce lands and basically just tapped lands so you're bouncing tap lands to play a tapped land some times.She needs to be putting -1/-1s on herself to draw but it feels like there isn't enough ways out of the box to do that reliably
>>97595323Sorry, not herself, your board in general.
>>97595323I see. Well a bad manabase is way more fixable than the theme itself being bad. Since I've got a chunk of cards that would be good for the deck already I'll probably just pick up singles rather than buy the precon only to gut it. The Blight support in Eclipsed proper will probably go a long way toward upgrading it as well.
>>97594121Manga's over in Japan, but they sleep together before the last tournament and get married after a timeskip.
Had a newer guy drop a polluted delta in a bant deck last night (Pantlaza but it doesn't matter). The whole table just laughed and asked him why it was in his deck and he admitted he copied the mana base from some website that was supposed to give him an optimal land base but it was supposed to kick out any lands not in his commander's color identity. We had to explain to him that it was technically legal in the deck even though it was useless. We let him play it as a different fetch but the whole exchange was just very funny that he bought a $20 land without even reading what it did.
>>97595373This is why we can't let the hybrid rule change go through. Players would find it way too confusing.
>>97595369gay
>>97591756Goku Black
>>97595354There is enough support to make her work for sure, but it just going to be just like everyone else building her. I think she's fun now that I've upgraded the precon, but it is bad out of the box.
>>97595373How is polluted delta useless in bant? It is shittier, but it can still fetch several of your lands. It can still fetch your breeding pool and your hallowed fountain. And your meticulous archive and hedgemaze. And your tri-land.
>>97595373Ah, buyhards. We have those at my LGS too
>>97595404Fuck, I wrote Bant and meant Naya.Point is there were no Islands or Swamps in his deck.
>>97595373There are three stupid people here:>the person copying the deck admitting they didnt look or understand>the group admitting they didnt understand what the land was for and being confused about it>playing it as a different land rather than telling him to just fetch a land it could fetch
>>97595417Yeah I figured that out after re-reading
>>97595417But where there etb/ltb triggers and land synergies? That might have been intentional.
>>97588781Why is he so smug?
>>97587605i wish there was an enrage card that destroyed artifacts/enchantments
>>97587651>too much scifi>anime slop >raceswapping: the setUB defenders have such awful taste.>inb4 Magic's in-universe settings and art have gone to shit tooAnd that makes it okay to bring in shitty art from outside IPs? Magic sucks so we should poor more exotic suck over it?
>>97595752>ART! ART! ART!This is a game. Not the fucking louvre
>>97594872Kroxa with all the 1 mana undying effects + unearth & claim // fame.Ingot chewer, shriekmaw, grief, and fury + burnt offering / sacrifice / culling the weak to potentially just hardcast a reanimation target or turbo out everything else.Some additional discard effects & punishers like Delirium Skeins, Flip Lilly & LotV, Dauthi Voidwalker, Waste Not etc.Some looting and hand replenishment like Bomat Courier, Bedlam Reveler, Ox of Agnas.And reanimation spells and targets. Valgavoth, Archon of Cruelty, and Summon: Bahamut seem like the best ones.
Can't wait to brew the God of Slop.
>>97594500lmao
>duuude how do you enjoy anything without drinking??Stupid tranny
>>97596056please stop obsessing over this literal who fetish fag
>>97596060Stupid tranny
>>97596088Nice opinion. Did Jeffrey Epstein give it to you?
>>97596056why are gay people always sleepwalking into addictions
>>97596105Men*And it is because men are about instant gratification
>make cuts from a deck>man I wanted to find a home for that card>build a new deck>make cuts from the new deck>man I wanted to find a home for that card>repeat
>>97596132The worst feel
>>97596056This suddenly explains a lot of the polycule's opinions when gameplay isn't being performed sober.
>>97596161>>97596161>>97596161>>97596161
>>97596056You don't. That's kind of the whole point. You grab a special magic beer, crack it open and drink it with the bros. and have fun.
>>97596056You certainly cant enjoy commander without drinking. No possible way. Getting three other people competent enough to enjoy magic at a fun and engaging level is almost unheard of.
