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>TQ:
We haven't looked at Italy for a while. Do they still eat pasta over there?

>>97587855
>Do they still eat pasta over there?
I don't think fire worship, human sacrificee and pasta are mutually exclussive.

>>97588822
On a more serious note then, what is the deal with Garibaldi? He's already 2 years past his OTL expiration date and from what we've learned about the Tyrant of Naples he seems to have enough connection to the land that he should be able to root the Redshirts out on the surface at least.

>>97590579
>Garibaldi
Is he even alive? The last reference I can recall of him is in the Cuban War of Independence, and that was in 1873, and in OTL, he died in 1882, whereas the setting's current year is 1884.

>>97590606
I think the piece of writing from the perspective of the Tyrant mentions him but it might be in terms like "Garibaldi's Redshirts" which could mean his followers rather than men led by him directly.

>>97587855
Don't they have a chef who makes a spicy meatball?

So what's the deal with the Krakatoa? Is it something agartha-related, or it's just a regular volcano? I'd be funny if everyone braced for another agarthan-related catastrophe, only for them to realize that no, regular volcanoes are still a thing.

>>97595606
>The Dutch get ready to colonize their new and rightful entrance and/or defend horrible Italian incursions
>They are once again denied any relevance in the setting
Pottery

>>97597965
Deserved for being Dutch

>>97595606
Be funny if the Italians figure out it's going to happen, send a massive expedition over to commune with the king of the volcano gods to harness his power to take over the world, and then it explodes and they all die.

>>97597965
This is perfect for a "minor factions" chart.

>>97590688
>Garibaldi's Redshirts
Could that work as another merc faction?

>>97601042
They'd probably work best as an Egypt-style subfaction within the Italian book, although I don't know how widespread they are in Agartha and I personally don't like writing rules for surface-only units.

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Updated the Ape Article a bit. Also sketched out the rough size of the Siege map. Imagine that I didn't get lazy with the paint bucket so all of the outer 3 hexes should be light blue to represent the attacker's deployment zone. The inner red hex is the build zone for the stronghold, the stronghold itself can have a different shape since it is determined by the structure enclosed area rather than the build area. Making a smaller interior gives the advantage of less space for enemy units to pour in and capture while making the interior larger opens up the opportunity to build structures inside for better healing or cooking. There's probably even space to do a curtain wall if you wanted to be really fancy

>>97587630
Bump for interest.

>>97601118
>surface-only units
Would Garibaldi rebels be present in Agartha? How many of them would be part of the anti-vulcanist rebels in Agartha?

Ok, I've done a quick writeup about danish lore. Any feedback will be appreciated.
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Like many nations in Europe, the Kingdom of Denmark was heavily shaken by the events of the Napoleonic Wars. After a relatively peaceful and prosperous 18th century, in which the kingdom had slowly and comfortably grown through an enlightened despotism, the aftershocks of revolutionary France gave Denmark the first of many shocks. With Napoleon seemingly bringing France from the brink of annihilation into a position of dominance in Europe, Great Britain sought to keep its position safe by preventing the “Grand Armée” from threatening british soil, as well as from disrupting british international trade. As Denmark was one of the nations who had initially declared neutrality in the conflict, british authorities considered it a potential risk, too big to be left alone. As such, Great Britain launched two preemptive attacks against the city of Copenhagen, seeking to avoid the Danish fleet from falling into french hands. Both attacks, one in 1801 and another in 1807, resulted in Denmark seeking an alliance with France to defend themselves from the british, though at that point the Danish navy had been neutralized as a factor in the Napoleonic Wars.

>>97606899
After many years of war, the conflict had led the nation to bankruptcy. With their fleet gone and their trade harassed by british ships, the kingdom had to concede defeat and began negotiations in 1813. The eventual signing of the Treaty of Kiel in 1814 left Denmark severely reduced, ceding Norway to Sweden and the island of Heligoland to the British. The humiliation by the british would start a growing resentment against Great Britain, but for the time being, the nation was focused on rebuilding. The decades after the Treaty of Kiel were of relative peace, with many intellectual movements growing across Denmark, pushing to transform the nation into a constitutional monarchy. The many nationalist and liberal movements would reach a boiling point in 1848, in which Danish nationalism clashed with the growing german nationalism in Prussia, leading to the fight for control of the Schleswig-Holstein duchies. The First Prussian-Danish War lasted until 1852, and helped canalize enough national feelings from the danish people to begin the change into a constitutional monarchy. While the Prussian monarchy was more focused in clamping down on the german liberal revolutionaries, and thus they let the german rebels in the duches to their fate, it did a possible opening for a crisis that would eventually come.

>>97606910
While the nation was rebuilding after the war and continuing the political reforms needed after the approval of the Constitution of 1849, further events once again rocked Denmark hard. The Fall of Paris in 1860 shook Europe to its core, with the ensuing panic affecting the economy of Europe, and Denmark was no exception. At the same time, sailors in the North Sea began reporting strange mists that, once crossed, revealed a new area. The rising of the Doggerland Island caused another shock to Europe, as its astonishing arrival defied all known geological beliefs, and even common sense. Reports indicated that the area was covered in thick, deep, dark green forests, something impossible if the island had come out from the depths of the sea. It would later be classified as one of the many agarthan phenomena, but at the time, Agartha and the hollow world were not really known. Once the dangerous fogs began clearing out, multiple nearby nations began claiming nearby areas of the island, leading to a race to the island. However, the island’s bizarre nature was shown from very early on, with multiple ships sinking after the crews underestimated the nature of the fogs around Doggerland.

>>97606917
While Denmark prepared its own claims to the island, danish authorities began receiving news of problems in the north. Sailors began reporting strange lights across the skies over Greenland, as well as pillars of smoke from unidentified sources, but all explorers who set foot on the island seemingly disappeared. All attempts to contact with the island’s population were unsuccessful, and the increasing attempts from the danish government to figure out what was going on resulted in further loss of men and ships. As other nations also began exploring the matter, these expeditions turned out just as fruitless as the danish ones. To this, the fishing fleets maneuvering through the Greenlandic waters began bringing less and less fish, and those that were caught showed unhealthy growths, almost plant-looking. Whether a plague of parasitic algae or something more sinister, the truth was that the entire region became a hazard to most. With the island becoming a land of no return and its waters somehow poisoned by unknown forces, the danish government eventually organized a blockade to the region, wanting to defend its claims over the territory until this mystery could be answered and solved.

>>97606925
As indeed, danish attention was at this point focused on Doggerland. In 1862, the british suddenly lost contact with the outpost of Little Gilbert, the biggest in all the island. What explorers and sailors saw when they first arrived was that the town had been fully wiped out. Not a single individual, after months of searching, was reportedly found alive. What they did find, however, was a gruesome sight, a nightmarish show of carcasses all strung all over the area, showing that the poor souls there had died in horrifyingly painful ways, though what exactly had done something like that was not known. Human carcasses laid disfigured and brutally dismembered, with many parts missing. Regardless of the horror, there seem to be very little proof of fighting back, just an unsightly display of brutality done by an unknown force. Soon after the investigation began, a thunderstorm laid waste to the place, causing a fire that engulfed the ghost town. The tempest did the rest, and by the time the storm ended, not one stone had been left on another. The general public took these news as an ill omen, and outcry began pouring against any further settlement of the island. Indeed, multiple nations cancelled their projects of exploration and settlement over the island, slowly but surely abandoning Doggerland to its fate. While british interests still needed the creation of a military outpost in the island, to this day the british have not tried to bring civilians into Doggerland to settle in the region. In the context of Denmark, many began arguing against any attempt to colonize the island, delaying their own projects.

>>97606932
At the same time as the Doggerland expeditions and the mystery around Greenland were making all headlines, a small but extremely important news went nearly unnoticed. A pair of german geologists had, apparently, journey deep within the Mt. Snaefellsjokull in Iceland. Somehow, by means then unknown, they had appeared some time later in the island of Stromboli. The strange rumors and tales of a passage beneath Europe were initially mocked, but after the fall of Paris, there had been a rise in interest in relation to geological studies, specifically those related to the deep. Thus, the danish government organized an expedition to figure out what exactly had happened. The idea of passages to world beneath the earth, however, was not yet in the minds of many at the moment. Indeed, the knowledge of what the Stromboli was to become at the hands of vulcanists was still very limited, so the danish went exploring their own volcano with the intent of finding geological oddities, not in search of agarthan lands. By 1864, however, only a couple of weeks after Jules Verne’s expedition into the Parisian Gap had confirmed the survival of Paris and the existence of Agartha, danish explorers finally managed to reach the lands of Mnemosynia, proving once and for all Lidenbrock-Bjelke’s expedition to be true.

>>97606940
News of this were received with wild celebration across Denmark. Whatever losses the nation had received, they could all be healed and compensated by this gift of providence. The government quickly organized a settlement project, securing safe passage across Iceland and into the volcano. Many groups began bidding for lands yet to be discovered and taken, and the army was also ordered to prepare for the eventual campaigns of reconnaissance and conquest. Multiple nations also began asking the danish government for access once the passage was fully finished and secured. In particular, France and Great Britain were the ones most interested in this endeavor. France was in the process of building the Parisian Elevator, and access to another entrance would be of great help to finish their project, so their petitions were received well by the danish government. The british’ demands, however, were of a completely different nature. The british government, pushed by their admiralty, were fully intended to purchase the whole island, something that the danish government refused time and time again. British diplomacy grew more and more hostile, suggesting possible retaliations if no such deal was agreed upon. Still, the danish government did not relent.

>>97606943
This would come to a head very soon. In February 1864, Otto von Bismark’s bid to unify all german states into a single nation began. Prussian and Austrian armies began invading the Schleswig-Holstein duchies, beginning the Second Prussian-Danish War. The danish armies, outnumbered and outgunned, were quickly overwhelmed despite a spirited resistance, losing ground to the attackers. The situation only became more dire after Great Britain, taking advantage of the situation, claimed that Denmark could not defend Iceland and its agarthan entrance, and thus, launched a surprise attack to the island in September of that same year. The danish fleet, already entangled with the Prussian forces, and vastly outnumbered and outgunned by the british navy, had to concede without a fight. Despite danish pleas to the international community for help, very little came of it. Prussia and Austria were at war with Denmark still, so they welcome the help to speed things up; French interests were in support of the british, especially since they still owed them a lot of help after the chaos from the fall of Paris. Only the Tsardom offered some token diplomatic support, but nothing material came of it, as they had no interest to starting an European war for danish interests. The signing of the Treaty of Dublin meant that Denmark has to concede Iceland to the british, and with it, access to Agartha. In exchange, Great Britain accepted to pay a yearly stipend for 100 years from the island’s profits, as well as giving Denmark full recognition of sovereignty over Doggerland. Talks about allowing danish access to the below, to let them fulfill their deals and contracts regarding agarthan settlement and exploration, are discussed, but nothing solid is accorded.

>>97606948
The loss of Iceland and its agarthan access, as well as the Schleswig-Holstein duchies to Austria and Prussia in the Treaty of Vienna, was a severe blow to danish national pride. The government’s failure to contain both german and british threats led to several years of intense political crisis, though calls for war were reduced, as the nation was not ready to fight either the prussians or british. The financial crisis caused by these losses were severe, as a third of its population were separated from the nation alongside the duchies. This, however, did not dissuade the danes. The need to compensate for the loss lands led to a period of agricultural reform, as well as a push for industrialization and the building of national railways. However, this was not enough for many: in a world that was ever growing, many danish chafed at the losses imposed from the outside. What was won within was not enough; something must be won back from the outside. And in the limited scope afforded to the danish foreign policy, the only area they had available was Doggerland. To restore national honor, Doggerland must be tamed and conquered.

>>97606955
This led to the “First Great Push”. Between 1865 and 1867, Denmark sent more than 2.000 people into the island, divided into different settlements across the coasts, trying to establish a proper beachhead that could evolve into a city. However, this initial effort was much more troubled than they expected. By 1867, all of these original settlements had either suffered unexplained massacres, demanded to return to the homeland, or vanished without a trace. This resulted in the “Second Great Push”, a much more planned project of settlement and exploration, in which the danish army and navy would play an important role in defending the burgeoning towns. Almost 4.000 people would be sent to the island, this time including other Scandinavian volunteers and danish from the Schleswig-Holstein duchies. While many of these settlements would be lost, this second push would see the first major success in the colonization of the island: the creation of New Køge. The area was built as further as possible from the forest line, even burning some areas of foliage with naval artillery to give it some space. Then, a series of lighthouses were built to shine light both to the coastline (to clear a path across the perpetual fog) and to the forest line (to keep whatever lives there from exiting). While attacks of a wide variety continued, this system both reduced their frequency and helped the local garrison to be prepared even during nighttime.

>>97606961
Once the danes established this outpost, their works to explore the forests began. This was crucial, as attempts to explore the island from above have failed (even in more recent years, german zeppelins hired to do air recognizance from above have ended up disappearing, even when flying above the fog). The exploration of the forests often requires the slow dismantling of the foliage, with teams of woodcutters slowly chopping away at the vegetal mass, and rarely can this be done without disturbing the dangerous fauna or even finding plants capable of defending themselves. Until 1871, exploration of the island rarely went beyond the limits of the tree line. However, in 1871, a local team tasked to investigate possible sources of water became lost in the forest. A search party was sent to retrieve it, and when this one did not come back, another was sent, only for this to be repeated. A total of 500 soldiers were sent to retrieve the civilian team, and for months, there were no news from them. After most people had believed them to be dead, a ragtag group of 47 men, many wounded and barely capable of dragging themselves out of the foliage, managed to crawl back to civilization. With them, they brought the entirety of the civilian team, something not even the most optimistic were hoping for. The story of the “Damn Danes”, who entered the depths of the murderous forest and survived while protecting danish people and honor, became an immediate sensation in the country, a shot of good news for a project that, until then, had only brought bleak misery.

>>97606970
However, the reality was more grim than the public knew. Many of these survivors were scarred not just in the physical, but in the mental as well. Many were deeply traumatized, needing months of therapy and medical treatments just to speak again. Others refused to sleep in the dark, filling their rooms with candles and electrical lights, and even then they would have a breakdown at the merest hint of an unusual shadow. Those who were mostly sane were extensively questioned about what they had seen. They spoke of strange ruins in the deepest part of the forest, made of materials unknown, seemingly emitting darkness even during the day. Strange fungal growths that penetrated solid rock, and whose roots were covered in the skeletal remains of their victims. Strange spider-like creatures, moving with unnatural grace and rotting those unfortunate enough to be caught in their grasp, until nothing but their clothes remain. Predators who mimic themselves with the blackness around them, with only a teeth-filled smile being visible seconds before they pounced.

>>97606980
From all of the horrors described, one man talked about having entered what he described as a “temple” of sorts. He then took a stone tablet from a pillar, and once that piece was removed, the broken walls began “bleeding dark light”. He then ran from the place, clutching the tablet to his chest until he managed to get out, where he was picked up by a fellow soldier. The individual, who was left blind after his eyes began to melt the following days, still had the archaeological discovery when he was found. The "Doggerland Black Tablet" was the only material proof of the existence of some sort of civilization at some point in Doggerland, which opens up many questions about the nature of the island. The fact some researchers have described its writings as done in a derivate of elder futhark, an ancient Nordic script, makes many wonder about the island’s nature, and whether fully uncovering its secrets is truly wise. For the moment, a team of linguists led by Samuel Kleinschmidt has been tasked to translate it.

>>97604690
presumably not many but at least enough to show up in an expedition
maybe they ventured underground in order to steal an artifact from a vault built by the builders piranesi or something

>>97606970
I'd say that having a single zepp go down over the island is enough. Multiple seems excessive (having there be multiple non-rigid airships would be an alternative if you wanted to parallel the Red Balloon incident and other failed LTA polar expeditions)

>>97606988
What's the plan with having the Black Tablet be in a Nordic script? It seems too convenient for a Nordic country to find that, even in a setting with prophecies. If you wanted to emphasize that you could have it reference something from the 1880s despite being ostensibly ancient to hint that it was meant to be found by the Danes, but otherwise I'd suggest making it a different language.

Overall I like it. Doggerland is an interesting place.

>>97607244
Red Tent not Red Balloon, whoops

>>97607244
>It seems too convenient for a Nordic country to find that, even in a setting with prophecies.
Initially thought to be runes, it was later found to be Ogham after a runic translation proved impossible.

>>97607274
>>97607244
>What's the plan with having the Black Tablet be in a Nordic script?
My idea for Doggerland is that it is an Old Mu ploy to sway some epigeans into serving them. So it makes sense they would somehow know the danes would be the ones who'd get control of the island, and thus they'd use elements somewhat familiar to them to begin tempting them.

>>97607244
>I'd say that having a single zepp go down over the island is enough.
We could change it to air balloons, if it works better.

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>>97606988
I like it. One thing I would adjust is making the treaty signing place Dublin, considering Britain's relations to Ireland, and that most treaties of the time were signed in the presence of a neutral third-party, somewhere in Germany or France would be good, maybe even Russia.

Another thing I want to bring up is the Madsen Machine Gun, a very early example of the lmg designed by a dane in the 1880s; it would be cool to give them that and have it as an exclusive Danish weapon, maybe add some kind of suppression rule at the cost of more ammo or ap, and if we really want to go into depth add potential for jamming.

>>97609651
I mean, this is a very one-sided treaty, would other powers want to intermediate in this clusterfuck, considering the implications?

>>97610480
It's a matter of form. But if not in a third country, why not London or Reykjavik? Dublin is an odd choice.
>>97609651
Instead of it being a weapon, how about a dedicated unit? That why the proper depth could be given to it.
I already have an idea for suppression and jamming.

>>97612193
What about Brussels?

>>97612535
That's a good choice, i think.

>>97612193
>a dedicated unit?
Sure. Though how would that work, I don't believe we have systems for units in the game, or has that changed recently?

Regardless, I want to start throwing in more wacky yet realistic gun designs from the period in, stuff like the hotchkiss gun, guycot rifle, etc. And then there's John Browning and all his stuff, the most famous of his works are from the 20th century, but we can nudge the timeline a little or think something else up.

>>97614897
The Hotchkiss is already in the game on the British gunboat unit. It could in theory be exported to other units.

I've been hoping for a Martini-henry item as a cheaper gun for the British for a while, it's not that weird but it is thematic.

>>97614975
>>97614897
Do we have a list of proposed/lacking units?

>>97614897
There's certainly plenty to work with. Stuff like the Colt Potato Digger, the Lightning Carbine, Mauser C96, the Hotchkiss in all it's forms, the Ketchum Grenade, Pepperbox and Howdah pistols, Gardner Gun, Bodeo and Carcano pistols and rifles, the Berthier, the Madsen discussed above, the Velo-Dog revolver, Duckfoot volley guns, Tachanka-mounted maxims, cane guns, the Punt gun which was previously discussed, Puckle guns with square rounds for Turks, the Browning A5 and Winchester 1897 shotguns. Plenty of potential.

>>97617831
Aren't most of these weapons somewhat outside of the setting's current year (1884)?

>>97619776
Some are, but the ideas were based on the thought in the post that nudging the timeline wasn’t impossible. Most of these, if not innovations from the 1850 to 1870 period, are only about 5 to 10 years ahead.

>>97619776
Some anons might disagree, but I think there's some justification for allowing some wriggle room on tech. We've got some fantastical stuff already with the landsknechts and analytical machines, and gun design is rather minor in comparison. My personal cutoff is anything developed around WWI, though there's also the warfare existentialists and the time stranded contractor (is he even a thing outside 1e?), which breaks that rule anyway. Even early 20th century, 190x is a bit iffy to me too.

My general attitude is vibes based, if it vibes it vibes, if it doesn't it doesn't.

>>97621918
In the early threads there was a lot of disagreement about this, especially with the Maxim gun being two years early.

Man, things have changed.

My opinion is that we do have to put a spin on something if we're going to squeeze it in. That's why all the anachronistic German stuff has Neukraft debuffs, although I personally think we should look at making them more unit-specific and flavourful rather than simple stat debuffs at some point.

As for the Engines, they're actually easily within the engineering capability of the 1880s. Babbage was stopped by budget from making a turning complete machine rather than technical limitations. The reason they predict the future is because of the formulas they calculate rather than the engines themselves. Probably, maybe, there is some mystery left around them for effect.

Meanwhile France has all of their technology, which I try not to think about for my sake.

I do think that things like a Pepperbox would be really good to have since we only really have one or two flintlock/caplock weapons currently and having more of those for mercs and budget lists would be good.

>Time Stranded
He's still around, although his profile is one of the first I wrote so a redux could be in order. We retconned him from the 1980s chart image to be from the 1920s mid-Deluge era because I think Tommy Guns are the best.

>>97623370
I mean, sub tech is considerably more advance in this setting than in OTL. As far as major technologies are concerned, I would limit it to just that one. If we start adding things like tanks or planes, we're going to have WWI tech way earlier.

>>97623370
>Time Stranded
Will it be more Terminator-like, or something like 12 Monkeys?

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>>97625042
>Will it be more Terminator-like, or something like 12 Monkeys?

TIME-STRANDED CONTRACTOR: (COST: TBD)
Character, Soldier
AP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 6
Strength: 5
Discipline: 6
Labour: 3
Awareness: 5

Armour:
0 in all.

Health:
2 box

Equipment:
This model comes with a Tommy Gun and Hyperborean Heat-Pistol. It may use any weapon from the colonial list.

Veteran of the Psychic Wars:
This model may not be targeted by prophecy actions. Additionally, this model does not generate emanations under any circumstances.

Paradox Fate:
When this model would die, replace it with a 3-hex time vortex token. Each turn, the vortex is scattered 1d3 hexes. Any unit overlapped with the vortex must succeed on an evasion test or be transported to the impossible year of 1922. The Contractor and any units transported are dead for game purposes. The vortex seals in 3 turns.

Running Low:
On deployment (or recruitment in a campaign) roll 2d6. This is how many reload actions the contractor can perform on his Tommy Gun before he runs out of ammunition.
TOMMY GUN:
Range: 12
Accuracy: -2
Penetration: 2
Lethality: [Black]
Reload: *
Cost: N/A
Special: *

SPECIAL RULES:
Ammo Feed:
This weapon may fire 3 times before needing to reload. The Wielder must spend 2 AP to reload it.
“Eat Lead!”: (2 AP)
Select a 3-hex region. All units within must save evasion or take an X wound. The owner must reload their Tommy Gun before firing again.

>COMMENTARY 2026
This was made a bit less than two years ago and has not been touched since. Not going to post the heat pistol profile since we have simpler equivalents now

>>97625127
Has he been used in a game before? Would be fun seeing how he performs.

I will admit, I am kinda attached to the idea of having a 1980s guy just stuck in the setting, but I realise it's super anachronistic now. Ah well, guess I'll chalk it up to the wild heydeys of 1e Expedition!, before the dark times, before Atlan.

>>97625507
>Has he been used in a game before? Would be fun seeing how he performs.
Nah, he's one of the chart units I made that never got into a book and I forgot to push for it last merc update. Next time it rolls around maybe I'll remember. We did get the Clockwork Thinker updated and added recently and he's from a page before on my big Agartha doc so there is hope (The Pale Dweller is from the page after, it's a who's who of chart units)

>I will admit, I am kinda attached to the idea of having a 1980s guy just stuck in the setting, but I realise it's super anachronistic now. Ah well, guess I'll chalk it up to the wild heydeys of 1e Expedition!, before the dark times, before Atlan.

For what it's worth I did feel somewhat guilty about making the change. We can call it a controversial in-universe retcon too like Jump Man for the extra bit.
On the topic of 1e is there anywhere the pdf is lying around? I have it on one of my computers but not this one, and I'd like to grab the art out of it.

>>97621918
All the Tesla stuff is anacronistic, and all the eletric stuff is pretty advanced for the time. I don't see a point in having a [current year]. In my mind, the game spans 1871 to 1900(-1), or from the Necropolis Event to the Boxer Rebellion, with the focal point being 1880 give or take five years.
Regardless, guns are an unintrusive yet effectual addition to the game, so if we're going to be lax anywhere, that's the place, i think.
So long as we don't go past, preferably we don't go in but at least we let's not go past, the Russo-Japanese war, i feel like we're fine. That is, however, a hard cut off for me.
Fanastical stuff doesn't follow the same rules.
>>97625551
https://files.catbox.moe/h60a45.pdf

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>>97626586
Thank you for this
>Unlimited Sovl Overload

>>97627426
>*cough* *cough* *cough*
>aaaaaaaaaaaaas fooooooooooooooorseeeeeeeeeeen

>>97628825
>IF FOUR SEEN WHY FOUR NO HELP?

Now that we have some more precise lore written for Denmark, do we have some ideas for units that could come from that?

>>97630459
A Damn Dane Veteran unit who goes frenzy instead of becoming broken?

>>97632794
Maybe something like "roll 2 D6 at the beginning of each turn, one decides a random buff, and one decides a random debuff"? That way, we could show them as having come out hardened from the horrors from the forest, but still clearly wounded by those.

>>97630459
The Icelandic Irredentist

Diplo unit that wants Iceland back. Taking it allows you to pick any 1 unit from an agarthan faction list. If it does the unit leaves, and it can't be more than X (3? 4?) amount of hexes away from the hired unit. Imparts bonus against Brit units.

>>97633895
*Dies, not does

>>97633895
>Taking it allows you to pick any 1 unit from an agarthan faction list
Why an agarthan faction?

>>97636416
The thought being that they'll consort with anyone, especially Agarthan powers to get their land back. Selling their soul. Though I guess there's no reason why they shouldn't take anyone who's a non-brit.

>>97637749
That kind of butts up against Napoleon's bit. Something more unique which still captures the spirit of playing with fire could be a """tamed""" Lemur that starts the game in a cage and then rampages towards the nearest unit once released. Having access to Doggerland does mean they're the only surface faction who could do something like that since no one else is close enough and desperate enough to mess with Lemurs.

>>97637749
Could they hire sebastianist saboteurs?

>>97638453
>Having access to Doggerland does mean they're the only surface faction who could do something like that since no one else is close enough and desperate enough to mess with Lemurs.
Not sure if I agree with that. If the island trully comes from the depts of the 7th, then its inhabitants would be far from docile or tameable. Even nations with more agarthan experience would struggle to capture one of these alive, much less tame it.

>>97639498
Tame may have been the wrong word. Captured? Temporarily caged? Something along those lines.

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The Damn Dane

>A survivor of the deep forest.
>Still sees the shadows grasping at him whenever he closes his eyes.
>Getting a dog helped, though.

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>Move aside, Bonaparte

Have we tested all books yet? We do have a lot of units that haven't seen play, or at least haven't appeared in battle reports.

>>97645133
I don't think we even have a list of all the units in the books

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Mostly done with these eight Phalanxmen. The price for shields is not in the Mu book but if my math is right, they come to around 90 silver total which gives me plenty of room for a saur knight/squire combo or some revs as I see fit.

I need to touch up the highlights on one shield and darken another, cover up where the glue has frosted in places and also touch up the bases where they've chipped. Then I can varnish and call it a day. I tried doing the eyes in reflective marker black on one but it didn't work and there is no power on any layer which could compel me to paint the eyes normally on eight turbaned figures. I might still slightly reshade the sockets at some point since it hasn't quite defined them well enough on the first pass.

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>>97649207
I already have a lot of finished British lying around, and the Atlan Immortal and his half-finished friends, but these feel like an important milestone nonetheless. They're definitely not meant to be single-based like this, but any smaller base size to make the shields closer together would not have been long enough to fit the legs so this spacing will have to do.

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>>97649213
I'm out of colour ink, but my plan tommorow is to print out a background at the library if I can get time and then see how they rank up against it. I could try to photoshop it in but doing it physically opens up making backgrounds for in-person games too so it would be good to practice.

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>>97649216
The other Warlord Romans I have are rather smaller, so any Revenants I make will have to be seriously converted to look nice next to the Phalanxmen.

I did these in a batch of four, then a six-month gap, then four more. At this rate I estimate I'll have a full list by 2028. More seriously, having finished the British I should be able to do these somewhat more frequently.

>>97639498
There’s an old lore tidbit that the gorgs are going away, like elves. From that comes the idea that they are all going to Gorg City, a fortress they are building for the Deluage (maybe to withstand it, but it could just as easily be an elaborate funeral rite: Less an ark, more a funerial ship. Regardless of what they intend, it may just turn out that way.)
So what if Doggerland is the gorg promise land, or some nessiary stop along the way to it? So, Doggerland is at once being settled from both above and below. There wouldn’t be many, if any, gorgs there at first, but they slowly start appearing as time goes on. Aside from giving the Danes some less eldritch part of Agartha to play with, it may also provide an another reason for Doggerland to be avoided (stinky). It wouldn’t compramise the mysterious island thing too much, because they wouldn’t be there at first, and nobody in setting would understand what was happening.

As for new unit ideas, a Gorggoat Herder (not to be confused with the Gorg Goatherder), might be a fun one. Something about bringing your gorggoats to suffenitaly stinky pastures, or something to do with trying to get more horns on your gorggoats (maybe a gacha mechanic of some kind). A Gorgguard sort of subfaction would probably be over doing it…

We could shift Doggerland a little to the west from its irl location if it would help detangle things with the British.

>>97646458
I started this list some time ago. I'll finish it and post it.

>>97651304
I think positionally Doggerland is fine. Having some entanglement allows for it to be a diplomatic sticking point in a good way.

While the idea of Agarthan factions settling the surface certainly is interesting, I don't think the Gorgs are a good fit. Doggerland seems too sinister for that, unless they're all devotees of the Hornless Gorg or some such.

>>97651515
Maybe something like: A dane who was exploring agartha on some sort of trip was captured by gorgs, then they gave him a message that, when decyphered, read as "Do not open the dark door, do not believe their lies". Maybe a bit generic doom and gloom, but perhaps someone can do something with it.

Are the Satsuma/Imperial Japan tokens on the TTS?

>>97652701
The Ottoman units are missing as well.

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Printed out the background to use with the phalanx, thanks again for posting them earlier. In this image I tried to move my lamp above the image to give it stark lighting like how I imagine the INNR SVN can look sometimes. It didn't quite come out right, I may need to cobble together a lightbox or clear out my fridge.

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>>97654358
This version I am happier with.

>>97625127
May I propose an additional rule?

Man Out of Time: You must activate this model before any others. On turns where the opponent would normally activate first, you may reduce this model's Discipline by 2 to activate it before your opponent has activated a model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs

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Ok, I have compiled the units I've found in the TTS (the ones in faction books). I'll add the NPC units later. A couple of pointers I noticed:

-All units in their books should have the keyword of said book (british units should have "british" tag, french units should have "french" tag...).
-Many units have questionable or nonexistant keywords. We should revise those.
-The mercenary book is lacking some of the later mercenary profiles mentioned across the threads. We ought to go back and add them.
-The ottoman and japanese/satsuma books and pieces aren't on the TTS.
-Some of the books ought to be revised, at least the lemurian, italian and ottoman need a checkup (and some others as well, though that's a matter of discussion).
-To keep up with the updates, all books ought to have a date of last modified, to make sure we're using the latest version.
-The Hyperborean horrors NPC book is not on the TTS.

Anything else we could do?

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>>97656180
Second half of the list.

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>>97656187
NPC List done.

>>97656180
We could check when each individual unit was last used in a game, if ever, but that would be a pain in the ass.
Putting the Icon keyword on all the OG chart units is something that has come up once or twice too. Right now only some of the Atlan units have the keyword.

>>97658438
I don't know if other people brought that up, or some equivalent, but the Icon keyword was just meant for Atlan, was meant to have some purpose beyond just indicating chart units (though it can't remember what that was), and even there that usage was largely abandoned.

>>97651559
I think we do something spookier. Chuck in some deadly wildlife, maybe some lemurs, maybe not, but just dot the island with a bunch of unexplained ruins and locations. Like a dark pool that seems to have no depth, and does not connect with any layer in Agartha. A gigantic stone doorway that seems impossible to open, covered in intricate carved figures, in an area which several expeditions and explorers have disappeared. The ruins of some immense fortress on the northern cliffs of the island, made in similar precise fashion to the pyramids. A field of skeletons strung up like scarecrows, with tattered clothing from no recognisable 2nd layer culture, except for some new ones with clothing of danish settlers. A strange headless statue carved in a style that some say is the predecessor of those from Easter Island. A bundle of scrolls that speak of the fall of Atlantis, and it is unclear whether they were written before or after its fall. A mountain that constantly emits smoke, yet which no explorer has ever been able to discover a route too. A clearing in which it is said the stars are different on moonless nights. The sound of drums deep in the jungle that drive men mad. Sirens, horrors, and all kinds of indescribable phenomena that frustrate civilised scientists and explorers.

And if we really want to keep some actual Agarthan presence we can just wave our hands and say the gorgs are seemingly the only ones who can maintain a prosperous colony on the island but they refuse to go any deeper.

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So apparently there was an artist in the 1870s who just drew Hyperborea.

Georgiana Houghton is the name.

>>97660651
Wow. Jackson Pollock really is a hack.

Where is the Satsuma units profile? The imperial japanese book is on the discord, but I cannot find the satsuma one.

>>97661660
If it's not on there or the VTT then I think it may only exist in our fevered imaginations and/or 2eAnon's computer.

>>97661867
Huh. I could have sworn it existed some "dino raider samurai" profile somewhere.

Also, there's a La Ombre book in the Mediafire. Will that be revised and/or added to the TTS?

>>97660651
>Georgiana Houghton
>Medium
>Made abstract art guided by "angelic spirits"
>Studied photography as a way to "speak with the dead"
>Died in 1884, exactly the setting's current year.

That's a fun character to add to the setting. Great find.

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https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/madsen-rasmussen-18881896/

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>i wish i was in agartha
>the music is too loud
>...
>my gun is jammed

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>>97664913
It's not exactly great down here either

Really fun edit there by the way, I appreciated seeing it

>>97649221
Awesome. Can't wait to see a battle report of two opposed, fully painted armies going at it. (I think we've had some battle reps before with saurs and Atlan?)

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Leopold II surveys the construction of a railroad through the deserts of the fourth layer.

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I want to talk about the Sky People, and so I will.

Their flying units have a "Burner engine" which allows them to trade resources (stink juice and materials) for increased movement speed. The term "engine" here is somewhat of a misnomer, as I do not believe their craft have the moving parts that define an engine. Rather, my suspicion is that they resemble Solomon Andrew's Aereon airship in how they function.

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>>97669971
You can see in the former image and this one that his 1860s airship was composed of several long sections rather than a single one. For aerodynamical forward motion this is less effective in terms of maximum speed, but it provides a wide lifting surface similar to what the modern Airlander 10 ship uses. Andrews was able to effectively glide by releasing gas or changing his balloon volume to lower his ship's desired altitude, causing it to sink and the wide balloon structure to act as a wing. Fascinatingly, this technique also allows for an increase in altitude to be turned into forward motion, as the wing structure would work to cause a gliding motion as a result of both upwards and downwards force. This means that the Sky People are able to achieve forward motion without the use of mechanically complex and hard to produce engines, instead only needing to burn more material to produce more hot-air lift in their thermal airships.

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>>97669985
This approach works both for smaller non-rigid airships like Andrews' design and for larger rigid ones, like the Aereon III of the 1960s in this image. For long-distance flight I imagine that the Sky-People would use a Rozier-type system wherein a core balloon lifting gas is surrounded by another envelope of heated air, meaning that they can still use burner flight to gain additional speed but do not need them to remain airborne.

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>>97670000
To finish out, here is an account of the Aereon II, of the 1860s.
>After flying up Fifth Avenue, the first flight of Aereon 2 continued north to Harlem, then across the East River, and finally landed in Astoria, Queens, 25 minutes after launching.
The airship reached a maximum altitude of 2,000 ft (610 m) on this flight. Lessons learned from the first flight were that: (1) the
rudder was too small and could not hold adequately the airship on a course heading into the wind, and (2) the gondola was not
long enough to allow the center of gravity to be shifted enough during flight to get the gas envelope to the desired high pitch angles
>• For the second flight, Aereon 2 had a larger rudder. During the flight, the crew encountered several mechanical problems that resulted in a temporary loss of flight control. After regaining control, the crew flew on to a safe landing in Brookville, Long Island, about 90 minutes and 30 miles (48.3 km) from the launching point on Manhattan. On this flight, the airship reached a maximum altitude of 6,000 ft (1,829 m). Lessons learned from the second flight were: (1) Andrews estimated that Aereon 2 needed a 50 foot (15.2 m) long gondola to allow him to increase his control over center of gravity, and (2) “two lateral wing-shaped appendages” should be added to the airship.

So to conclude, Sky People airships don't have mechanical engines, but they can still move as if they did. They are long but also wide, some are like a pack of hot dogs and others are like lemons. Both types may or may not have wing-like structures.

>>97670020
For a final note, I'll add that early aviation was incredibly deadly for both airshipmen and heavier-than-air pioneers, and that considering that the Sky People lack parachutes, engines, and modern (1880s) medical technology, their pilots must by necessity be an admirable combination of extremely competent and utterly fearless after these thousands of years of tribal trial and error.

>>97670029
They could have some sort of coming of age ritual, where youths are made to jump a hilariously massive waterfall, and told that, if they cannot defeat their fear of this fall, they will never be man enough to fly through the skies.

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>>97670638
There's actually a real thing similar to that where the art for the roof diver unit comes from. It's called "Land-Diving", although they do it from a tower rather than a waterfall.

>>97671556
Both could work, as long as they prove they are not afraid of both heights and quick descents.

Has anything been done with the Bifrost Society lore-wise?

>>97674494
I can't recall if we have. What is that?

>>97675847
First time I'm hearing of it too. We've got the Paulistaeans, and the Theosophists have been mentioned, but I don't recall any Bifrost Society. Cool name though.

>>97675847
>>97674494
>>97677749
If I recall correctly, there was a series of posts that postulated how occult groups/eschatological philosophy/secret societies in German-speaking Europe might be altered in the Agarthan timeline. This was some time ago, but there was an interest in fleshing out the Agarthan 'weirdness' that was noticeably absent in the German, and at least the first iteration, of the Austrian books. If I remember right, the idea was to have the point of divergence be the advent of theosophy and other lines of occult thinking. Specifically, I recall the fellow mentioning a brief write-up that entailed embracing Hyperborean perfection to create the Herrenvolk. That was one position situated in contrast to a Thulegesellchaft analog, taking a less hard line on how to embrace Agarthan discoveries. I may be butchering his ideas, but that's what I remember, and I do remember that name specifically.

>>97677825
Do you remember the thread it was in?

>>97677825
>and at least the first iteration, of the Austrian books
Giving it a lookthrough (using Version 2 since that's what is in the mediafire) it seems like the Bifrost society is still absent from their book, which is weird given the Austrians have a whole Academia gimmick going on.

The wiki describes the society as an offshoot of the Syndicate but that seems kind of tacked on
>The unification of Germany, however, has ironically caused an ideological splinter among the Syndicate's two founders. While Johann seemed to have abandoned any semblance of humanity as he delved deeper into the secrets of Hyperborea, mutilating his mind, body and soul with its profane arts and technology, Karl seems to have never outgrown the nationalism of his youth, even if it has long since lost its liberal character. Eventually Karl abandoned the Syndicate and returned to Germany where he went on to create an organization of its own. Pulling together a motley crew of new generation of occultists, ex-Theosophists, Volkist nationalists and other eccentrics from across Germany and Austria-Hungary, Karl Schultz founded the Bifrost Society, that has been a bitter rival to the Syndicate ever since.

An alternative could be to have the Bifrost be a coporate-sponsored organization to contrast with the Syndicate's criminal bent and Miskatonic's academic side (and the Denmark/Tsardom/Whalur/who knows Supernaut Hyperdivers as a government-sponsored group)

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>>97679133
I don't recall exactly. I'm sure its in the archives somewhere. I know it was before the great punch-up over the Danish book.
>>97679140
That was it. I don't think the fellow dived much deeper than that, but I do think that's a good starting point to work with. It would be worth fleshing this out whenever we get around to filling in more about the CEAIC and other organizations outside the Anglo/Francophone sphere. It does lend a bit of irony to the German story in this game. Fighting a large-scale rebellion against Catholic separatists in lieu of France, and then having organizations like the Thulegesellschaft, the Bifrost Society, CEAIC interests, Warfex guys, all battling it out covertly, or overtly. I don't know if either organization needs to be connected to the Syndicate for their story to be coherent, but I'm not as familiar with their lore. The big-business angle would probably be the way to go. If you've ever seen Alfred Krupp's grave, there is something a bit Hyperborean about it, though I can't really describe why.

>>97679140
>as he delved deeper into the secrets of Hyperborea
Now that we mention it, how widespread is epigean knowledge about Hyperborea's existence, and how much do they know about it? Is as widespread as the knowledge about Napoleon, or is it more/less known?

>>97680290
My assumption is that people assume Napoleon either jumped off the ship on the way to San Helena or was executed by the British on the down low. Perhaps children believe he escaped to haunt dreams and steal their candy.

As for Hyperborea, it's more a case of putting together the dots. Greenland becoming depopulated and blockaded, Paraguay exploding in violence, Halifax exploding in an explosion, Franklin's expedition disappearing (the natives may have mentioned something about an aroura) and of course the Taiping. Also maybe the Baltimore gun club and the Fall of Atlantis. It's unclear who knows these were all connected, but some people have at least put some of the pieces together.

>>97680693
I mean, Paraguay alone should be plenty of proof that something is not right with the 1st layer. And the Paraguay War ought to have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of witnesses. That must have some effect.

>>97680849
Even if everybody knows it exists and is a threat, and what are they supposed to do about it?

>>97681819
I imagine there are many different levels of redpill about the hyperborean threat:

>Level 1. Common people.
They just assume that the space is just that. Space with stars and celestial bodies.

>Level 2. Scientific Communities
They assume space is another layer, and it can be reached and traversed somehow. Maybe something akin to "Space: 1889", where space is actually ether, and you can sail it somehow.

>Level 3. Paraguayan witness/veteran
There is something in the heavens, for sure. And I don't think they are angels...

>Level 4. Agarthan knowers of the Deluge
Whatever sunk Atlan and Atlantis came from above, from the 1st, though what exactly that was has been lost throughout the ages.

>Level 5. Taiping.
The heavens have been shown to us, wonderful and horrible. And they demand pain. Why does God want pain?

>Level 6. Deep custodians of lore.
Akkamandag and those who know as much as he. They know that something is out there, specters from the stars, and that they will come some day to destroy the world once again.

>Level 7. Napoleon.
He knows the threat. He knows the cycle. And is planning accordingly.

>>97680849
>>97681819
The majority (though not all) of the Paraguay creatures were some sort of emanation-husks made up of the remnants of the Paraguayan forces rather than hyperboreans proper from what I understand. There were Tripods and Hyperwarriors but in a lesser capacity. People outside of the immediate area would probably just assume it was another Necropolis event that was contained before NECRO-PARAGUAY could rise. Someone who was on the ground there and who later learned of what the Taiping are up to could probably start putting some pieces together on their own though.

>>97682454
This is effectively headcanon on my part, based on the idea that the sinking of Atlantis was a full cycle-ending Deluge rather than an abortive one (which is why the Lemurs are the Lemurs, since they are literally the remnants of the Old Lemurians who were forced down by the collapse of Atlantis), but I see Akkamandag as the previous cycle's Napoleon figure. Only, he never managed to stop the Atlantean Deluge and so gets to live forever as a husk-ghost thing instead. He would therefore know as much if not more than Napoleon, albiet filtered through a more mythological perspective rather than one of empires and colonies.

>>97683395
>emanation-husks made up of the remnants of the Paraguayan forces rather than hyperboreans proper
That sounds like a fun idea for some NPCs.

>>97683395
That would imply there are 6 other Napoleon figures, would it not? One for each layer, other than Hyperborea?

2nd: Napoleon
3rd: Hornless Gorg?
4th: Atlas
5th: Ozymandias
6th: Akkamandag
7th: Nameless Khan
8th: I guess whoever first had Malcolm's cool shadow powers, so "The Lost King"
9th: Suppose it's fitting there isn't one for this layer.

That maps surprisingly well.

>>97680693
I've always thought that information about Napoleon is Top Secret outside the highest levels of the British government and everyone else assumes he died sometime after Waterloo (I don't think we have anything canon on how he escaped or if it was before or after he was sent to St Helena?). There's also the people he met on the way down, but people like the Mother Unknown aren't going to be spreading it only because they don't have a reason to. Though even then I feel like there should be a subset of Parisians and Frenchman who believe that he never died and he'll come back one day and restore France to greatness, which is earnestly dismissed by the French government as pure delusion, but which deeply disturbs the Brits.

>>97682454
I like this interpretation. There's also people like the titking and Cunningham who have gotten their information from other sources and are also preparing, but I feel like Napoleon should be the only one who knows how to break it.

>>97683601
The big problem that stops me from pitching it earnestly is that Atlantis is on the 5th layer, which means that the in-between ones are fractional portions of the last Deluge or something.
Maybe the Deluge really does last long enough for that to happen, maybe it has such intensity that it blasts multiple layers at once, I don't know.

>>97683624
Maybe the Brits did a full cover up and faked his death and exile, so well that even they don't know what actually happened to him.

>>97684029
>Cunningham going sheet white when he has Napoleon's sarcophagus covertly opened and is told there's nothing inside

>>97683624
I did write something for that in the tourist book.

"In 1855, during the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Austerlitz, the french government decided to order a sumptuous tomb for Napoleon I, despite his remains having never been found. The burial of the emperor in absentia drew crowds from all France, as well as from all of the nations who fought against Bonaparte. "

>>97684029
I imagine that, after the Second Oriental Crisis, the "Napoleon went into the pyramids to hide in Agartha" is a popular conspiracy theory, not realizing it is actually very much true.

>>97687055
I can't remember if I ever wrote it down anywhere, but "Old Boney" is a boogeyman-type name for him which appears in Agarthan British slang by the 1880s

>>97680849
I do wonder about America's knowledge of the things happening in the background. They would know more than anyone the threat of Hyperborea, but inversely, they likely know nothing of Napoleon or any of the deeper threats. To them Napoleon is ancient history. And with the PACT operating in full force, they're not going to be too curious of anything in the rest of the world, so long as it isn't rainbow coloured. In fact I'd venture to say that the Boxer Rebellion will be the only major overseas (or underseas) expedition they'll take. And even with their knowledge of Hyperborea, we'd have to determine how far that extends throughout American society. There's no possibility for a coverup with the amount of soldiers that were sent to Paraguay, but how many of those would be able to articulate clearly what they saw and fought? And then, it would be up to whoever's in charge of containing that stuff to let other nations know or hide it lest someone else starts getting ideas about how to defeat the Ottomans or Italians or whoever.

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>>97683601
>I guess whoever first had Malcolm's cool shadow powers, so "The Lost King"
The palace must have once had a master. It must have been built to serve some grand purpose. For what reason those cyclopean ruins lie in the depths, I could not say.
Perhaps I know.
But I would not say.

>>97690767
>In fact I'd venture to say that the Boxer Rebellion will be the only major overseas (or underseas) expedition they'll take
That's a damn good point. The USA would be able to identify the rough signs of hyperborean presence, even if they don't exactly know what Hyperborea is. And the Taiping are a clearly example of that. The USA is probably helping the Quing exile government quite a lot, just in case.

>>97690767
>There's no possibility for a coverup with the amount of soldiers that were sent to Paraguay, but how many of those would be able to articulate clearly what they saw and fought?
This is why we need a massive writeup for the Paraguayan War, something akin to the one about the Second Oriental Crisis. It is one of the three massive events that define the setting (alongside the fall of Paris and the SOC).

I'm going to start writing the big Paraguayan writeup. Anything in particular I should emphasize?

>>97693576
I feel like the big things are what provokes the American decision to go in (which I believe would fall under Grant's first term? I'd have to check the timeline.), what American soldiers actually see on the frontlines and report back home, and then the cleanup afterward. I think we have solid background for the war itself, just why America commits itself, and how it prosecutes the war, are the big questions.

Anyone got the timeline image? The wiki seems to be missing a fair bit, including Paraguay.

>>97693576
>Writeup
Here's what we have so far:
https://eadsttcoteg.miraheze.org/wiki/United_States_of_America#The_Paraguayan_War,_PACT_and_the_founding_of_New_Alamo

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.avmhrdy4ish4 (US section)

>>97693869
>The decision to go in
Monroe doctrine applies to the up and down axis as much as east/west.

>>97693576
>Emphasis
The PACT as a sort of soft-empire instead of a NATO parallel would be good. The US can enforce its will (though not always easily) on the members like a hegemon

>>97694163
>Monroe doctrine
Sure, but at what point does the President go from "Oh there's something weird going on down there we should check it out" to "OH SHIT, there's rainbow coloured horrors pouring out of the sky, send the army before we lose the entire Americas."

On that note, though the Panama Canal was built in the 20th century under Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson, it had its origins in the mid-late 19th century. Do anons think it would be feasible to say that the Americans started construction on the canal, with the tacit goal being to cut off South America from the north if Paraguay ever happens again?

>>97694236
>"OH SHIT, there's rainbow coloured horrors pouring out of the sky, send the army before we lose the entire Americas."
IIRC it's when the Brazilians and co. say "HELP PLEASE WE'RE FUCKED" and America looks up from the battered remains of the Confederacy, spits out a tooth, and says "Sure pal"

>Canal
I don't think so. In the 19th there were attempts at a ship railway but the scope of the canal project is beyond a single nation at this time. Maybe a colonial team-up effort but even that would be pushing it in my opinion.

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>>97693869
Here it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

I feel like we should do something with this, but I'm unsure of what. Proto-hyperborea? Someone messing with something somewhere? A bit to early for any of the colonials to be involved. Maybe something purely agarthan. Something to think about.

>>97696155
The big brain shot something down. Something it felt obliged to pull out the big guns for, instead of just throwing a train at it.

Ok, I've finished the prologue of the Paraguayan War, the historically-accurate part until hyperborean shit starts happening.

Before I start with the rest of the writeup, a couple of points to discuss beforehand.

>The initial incident
I've decided that the last charge of López, before the Rainbow Pillar incident, will be the "Battle of Acosta Ñu", in august 1869. Considering it's notorious for how onesided it was (López's forces were pretty much just elderly and children who were slaughtered nearly to the last man), it feels miserable and charged with enough pain to activate the hyperborean device.

>The rainbow pillar
What exactly is it? Is it a physical thing, or merely an ray of rainbow light? I like the idea that it can clearly be seen in the entirety of the southern cone, but for some reason it cannot be photographed, and thus all surviving representations of it are drawings or paintings.

>The mutations
So according to the googledoc "A great number of soldiers in Paraguay, regardless of their loyalties, and regular men and women, living and dead, turned into rainbow-colored monstrosities." Is it somewhat random, then? Does it affect paraguayans only, or is it something akin to an area of effect, where anyone is susceptible of turning into a multicolored mutant? Also, what kind of mutations are we talking about here?

>The alien invaders
According to the googledoc "A few also poured from the skies, wielding alien technology". Do we go into detail for the description of these? Or is it better to leave it vague? We'll have to mention tripods at the very least.

>>97696738
>The plea of help
The War of the Triple Alliance was extremely bloody for the time period, and thus the armies of the alliance would be quite exhausted. Considering that the brunt of the effort at the end of the war was brazilian, I imagine they would get the most casualties from the initial attacks, and possibly getting the brazilian emperor's son-in-law (the Count of Eu) killed. This would led the allied armies into disarray and confusion, and would force an improvised reorganization and reinforcing of the troops, only to then realize that the fight is not against Paraguay anymore. Following the googledoc "Pedro II once again returned to the front, leading his men in the heroic defense of Mato Grosso", but during this time, he would also send diplomats EVERYWHERE so they could help him slow the monsters down. The allies are exhausted after five years of war, and their new foes cannot be beaten by normal means.

>The US intervenes.
I imagine the USA would want to intervene, first because of a sense of "Monroe Doctrine" and to keep the european powers from intervening too much in America. Only after their first units are destroyed and the news reach the USA the government actually takes the war seriously, and the country gets on war footing once again. A lot of confederates would be forgiven and allowed into the army once again if they volunteered into Paraguay. Also the USA would pressure the other american nations to intervene as well, making it into a massive war.

>The european powers
How would they intervene? Besides sending guns and ammo. They'd probably be consulted about the unnatural nature of the foe, only for them to admit this is not something they know about.

>The methods of war
How do they fight? Does the war devolve into hordes of monsters charging at the lines constantly? How does this war look like? Also, how common are true monsters like tripods or flying pyramids are?

>>97696738

>initial incident
I like it.

>rainbow pillar
I feel like it shouldn't be physical. Not to touch anyway. I can't remember if I ever posted it in the threads, but I did some writing awhile back about the American procedures on encountering Hyperborean phenomena, and they called stuff like the initial phenomena over Paraguay as a BIFROST Event.

>mutations
I would suppose it depends on how miserable/in-pain you are, but that's something that would have wider implications for the setting. Would need rigorous discussion to iron out. Then there's what those monstrosities actually are, whether they're more zombie/husk like or something entirely different, which is what I would lean to. Echoes of what once were human souls.

>alien invaders
There should be a number of actual Hyperwarriors there, just so the Americans know what they are, but not in enough numbers to deal significant damage, comparatively. If we should include more of Hyperborea, like any Machine-Men or emanations, I'm not sure.

>plea of help
Like this too.

>us intervention and european powers
I don't believe there should be much European involvement? All the colonies they still had were far from paraguay. As for the US, I feel like they're largely uninterested, as they were OTL, until shit starts going wrong and they get the requests for aid from Pedro. I like them press-ganging the confederates though. Could also chuck in the Buffalo soldiers, the whole conflict would be a good source of American veterans and heroes.

>methods of war
Vietnam without air support, artillery, or automatic weapons. Also the other side sometimes has walking raygun tanks. It would be a horrible slog of a battlefield.

>>97700249
>Vietnam
I was thinking about this too. Against the mutants it would be a frenetic if manageable conflict, but in those brief times when the true Hyperborean presence shows up it would get very Vietnam (and you're the VC)

A tripod's heat-beam burning a line of fire across a jungle canopy is very similar to a bombing run of napalm, for one example.
And both the Hyperboreans and 70s American troops embraced hallucinatory psychedelia, though for different reasons.

>>97696738
>The rainbow pillar
Maybe it's 'simply' a rainbow going straight from the sky to the ground. It could make it's own light too. Not so dramatic, maybe, but would be unnerving to see in person, especially if there were a number of them. I don't know, this may not be something that's necessary to elaborate on. It's a rainbow pillar, how much is it possible to elaborate on that before it becomes something else?
>but for some reason it cannot be photographed
Like lack of colored photography? But i get what you mean.
>Do we go into detail for the description of these? Or is it better to leave it vague?
In think in this case either way is fine. It doesn't seem to be something that demands elaboration, as anyone can look at the Hyperborean stuff and get an idea, and for that same reason there's no point in hiding anything.
>The mutations
This, however, probably is best kept vague for now. It wouldn't be hard, i don't think, to go back and insert whatever we decide on down the line. What i'm saying is, don't let this point hold you back.
>The european powers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HH7J-Sx80 but more seriously, some early Warfex types might show up or already be there as mercenaries, advisors, or "observers" (only ostensibly). I don't see much real involvement from them once the US starts taking it seriously, as there wouldn't be much point and the Americans would want them to have as little involvement as possible. I say that, but if we treat the conflict as a sort of out-of-hand Vietnam+ (that is to say, a severe scenario), then they might well, after the initial excitement, become welcoming of any European aid (which would be mostly material, as you say).
>The methods of war
Morphine was mentioned.
>>97700463
Yeah. That sounds right.

>I am The Lorax, I speak for the trees
>And the trees speak
>SKIN-SLAVES DON'T NEED THEIR KNEES

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If we're making the rainbow pillar visible through most of South America, would this be a reasonable range to make it visible?

>>97704123
There is some math I can do later if you want an overly-complex answer. Otherwise that probably works.
>Math:
On the assumption that the pillar would work like an elevator and would thus need to be large enough to accommodate the width of a tripod we can calculate that width via looking at the canonical (implied) height of the Wells tripods in the original, and then taking the 1906 illustrations to get width from that and then taking that width and establishing a semi-arbitrary limit of the firmament (either the Karman line or the start of the Van Allen Belt, open to debate). Once we have width and height we can figure out from what distance it's visible until the width is visually decreased to the point of invisibility or the height is eclipsed by the curvature of the Earth.

>>97705339
>establishing a semi-arbitrary limit of the firmament
Might be one of things that's best to quietly ignore, given how vague it already is. We've got men landing on the moon, which seemingly doesn't have any Hyperborean influence, but by the same token they have breached the Sacred Atlan Wall which is the firmament, so who knows. I think for the purposes of this it's best to pick one and not treat it as hard canon.

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>>97706085
Operating under the rough guestimate that Auroras occur somewhere near where the firmament may perhaps be, which is also around 100km up, here's what I got for visibility. It should be noted though that this is on a non-curved map since Google Earth was not cooperating so the actual shape would be somewhat different. Radius was around 1126km visibility from sea level so your mileage may vary.

Ok, first draft of the Paraguayan War. I'm sure there are bits in need of rewriting, let me know your thoughts about it.
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The 19th century has been a century that has rocked the fundaments of our understanding of the world. Old certainties have been shattered by scientific discovery, and in turn, these logical and apparently ironclad facts have been turned on their heads by the new agarthan paradigms: the worlds below, the living coming back to life, mystical forces and rites living side by side with scholarly sciences… Yet out of all of the events that brought this new state of affairs, none have caused so many question without answer as the Paraguayan War. The bizarre nature of the War of the Triple Alliance and the unearthly forces that roamed the plains and jungles of the Río de la Plata Basin is still studied by many nations and scientific institutions. Yet very little is effectively known about it, both due to the uncanny nature of the opposition and the blockade established by the United States and the PACT nations, forbidding anyone to enter into what once was the Republic of Paraguay. Whatever is known has been firmly classified, with the general public barred from learning the truth.

>>97708163
>The History of the Rio de la Plata Basin
The region of the Rio de la Plata Basin has been an area of considerable importance for south-american affairs for centuries. The entire region is marked by the presence of two rivers, the Parana and the Uruguay, which both end in the Rio de la Plata estuary. These two rivers and their subsequent tributaries occupy an area of over 3 million square kilometers. The region was explored and colonized by both Spanish and Portuguese settlers during the 16th century. During this period, the priority of both nations in America was elsewhere: Spain moved most of its silver through Lima towards the roads to Panama, whereas Portugal expanded in other areas of their Brazilian holdings, allowing these populations to grow without that much pressure from their metropolis, mostly thanks to animal husbandry, agriculture and silver contraband. Nevertheless, clashes between the Spanish and Portuguese were common, especially across the region of Mato Grosso, and the borders were always difficult to establish and agree upon. This issue continued once the latinamerican nations began rebelling and gaining independence from their colonial empires. Both Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, claimed to have rights over great swathes of the region, and that led to constant diplomatic tensions and no few conflicts between the 1820s and 1850s.

>>97708166
The War of the Triple Alliance
The events that would lead to the War of the Triple Alliance began in Uruguay. During the events of the “Guerra Grande”, the Uruguayan civil war that ravaged the country for more than a decade, the country became a point of contention between Argentina and Brazil, both sides supporting their candidate. Brazilian intervention in 1865 was seen as a clearly destabilizing move in the region, not only by Argentina, but by Paraguay as well. The Paraguayan government, led by Francisco Solano López, was keenly aware of the need of keeping the balance of power in the region, as either Brazil or Argentina gaining too much power would be a threat to Paraguay, a much smaller and less populated country than either of them. If either one managed to control, or even worse annex, Uruguay, they would control the Rio de la Plata estuary, giving them the ability to choke the landlocked nation’s trade. Thus, after a demand for help from the “Blancos” faction against Brazilian intervention, the Paraguayan government decided to intervene.

>>97708167
At first glance, this decision might seem surprising. After all, Brazil was a much bigger and more populated nation than Paraguay, and their chances of victory would seem slim. Historians and political analysts still debate exactly the reasons for this foolhardy act, other than López’s apparent disdain for Brazilians. However, the López government actually had a considerable army for its size, as the Paraguayan army was the biggest in South America at the time. Meanwhile, the Brazilian army was seemingly not as prepared, and had to defend a considerable expanse of territories against other powers. Well armed, trained and organized, the López regime believed that a quick war would be enough to stave off Brazilian ambition in the area. However, the reality of the situation quickly proved them wrong. After the takeover of the Brazilian vessel Marquês de Olinda in the Paraguay River by the Paraguayan navy in late 1864, the war between the two nations began. López then decided to send his armies into Uruguay, but as Paraguay had no direct land border with Uruguay, they asked Argentina for permission to cross. However, the Argentinian government refused to have anything to do with the endeavor, and they denied entrance to the Paraguayan forces. This rejection threw a wrench into López’s plans, and thus, believing that his superior forces could guarantee a quick victory, he then invaded the Argentinian Province of Corrientes, thus leading to a war against Brazil and Argentina.

>>97708173
Immediately, things began going south for the Paraguayan effort. While the Paraguayan forces were seemingly much stronger than those of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, the sheer difference in economics and demographics quickly turned the tide against López’s forces. In Uruguay, the “Blancos” faction were ousted from power, with the new government favorable to Brazil. Thus, the Triple Alliance was born in May 1865. With the Brazilian navy blocking the Rio de la Plata estuary, the Paraguayan army could not get many of the modern european weapons they had acquired, and the Brazilian navy quickly began dominating the navigable rivers. The Paraguayan campaign in the Mato Grosso, while highly successful for the Paraguayans, did little to distract the Brazilian forces in the south, where most of the fighting was taking place. Indeed, after the Brazilian victory in the Battle of the Paraná River, the war swung into the Allies’ favor, and by April 1866, not only the Paraguayans had had to abandon Corrientes, but the three nations had amassed a considerable army to invade Paraguay. The violence of the conflict quickly escalated, as the number of combatants in both sides grew, as well as the seeming hate towards each other. The Paraguayan defeats at Tuyutí and Humaitá were extremely bloody and costly, beginning to make López so enraged with his own men that he seemingly ordered the roman punishment of “decimation” to set an example. Even Paraguayan victories such as Curupayty, which managed to cripple the Argentinian forces and slowed down allied operations for almost a year, were only delaying the seeming inevitable.

>>97708180
>The Rainbow Pillar and “La Profanación de Asunción”.

By the late 1868 and early 1869, the war was drawing to a close. While López managed to keep his recruiting numbers, they were quickly becoming worse armed and trained; all the while, the allied numbers were soaring. The December campaign saw further Paraguayan defeats, and the abandoned capital of Asuncion was taken in January 1869. While the allies shared the spoils of war sacking the city, López and his men retreated to the mountains east and southeast of Asuncion, decided to take a last stand in the form of guerrilla warfare.

Those who still were loyal to López’s regime were desperate, either broken by years of war or completely assured that the defeat of their side would mean the destruction of Paraguay and the death of their families and loved ones. López’s forces began fighting against those within Paraguayan society pushing for honorable surrender while they still could. These “defeatists” were seen as traitors of the worse kind, and many witnesses saw gruesome spectacles, great massacres of people who were merely suspected of wavering loyalty to López. Bands of children were now pressed into service, roaming the roads and becoming bandits, fighting not for their nations, but to find something to stave off their hunger. Prisoner records published after the war show that López was becoming more and more paranoid, seeing conspiracy against him in every shadow, ruining his grip over his forces even further. Despite his uncanny ability to avoid being captured by the Brazilian forces, López was more and more caged the longer the war dragged on. He was trapped, and it was just a question of time he would be caught or killed.

>>97708185
The events during that time are difficult to verify, coming from the witness testimonies of Paraguayan deserters. During these weeks, the dictator hid in caves, and in one of them, seemingly found an old Spanish treasure trove. From silver and gold, totems of native gods, skulls grafted in Mesoamerican patterns, swords rusted to the point of near unrecognition, silver crosses and chalices… Some argue that these could have belonged to guarani tribes, hidden from envious eyes after the Jesuits were forced out of Spanish territory. Out of all of these treasures, though, one in particular stood out. A great scepter, made of a metallic material yet with the color of mother of pearl. Across its surface, two great serpents swirled around each other, eating one another in a grotesque ouroboros. López was seen giving speeches to his dwindling men while carrying this strange piece, possibly as a token of luck.

The staff would become the key for the terrible events that followed. On August 1869, at the Battle of Acosta Ñu, the last remaining forces of Solano López, mostly women, children and crippled, tried a last stand against the forces of the Brazilian armies under the Count of Eu. The sheer carnage the seemed to embolden López, charging with his remaining cavalry again and again against the Brazilian lines, all while the drafted infantry was butchered on the battlefield. Once again, records of what happened next are murky and impossible to fully corroborate. At some point during the battle, as Solano López tried to rally his troops amidst the carnage and butchery, a bright flash of pure light enveloped the battlefield, grinding the fight to a halt.

>>97708189
This is believed to be the birth of the “Pilar Arcoiris”, or the Rainbow Pillar. This strange phenomena took the form of a swirling light towards the sky, showing hues of all colors with such unnatural intensity that it could hurt the eyes if look at it for too long. This strange phenomenon was crowned by what many described as a “scar in the sky”, a pulsating fractal-like breach in the sky, which at times seemed like a shadow barely visible during the day, and at other times seemed an unnatural pitch black even during a bright day, while at other it shone with intense vibrant colors. Studies and analysis in regards to the Rainbow Pillar have yet to truly decipher its true nature, either as another agarthan mysterious force or something completely different still unknown. Nevertheless, this phenomenon would be a constant during the duration of the war that would soon follow.

The Rainbow Pillar was visible throughout most of South America. Some have calculated that, at its brightest, it could have been seen almost 2.000 km from its epicenter. Immediately, most nation that saw the phenomenon knew that something was deeply wrong. A sense of foreboding grew across the populace, unable to understand what they were seeing, or to discern whether it meant imminent threat or not. News of the incident began to spread, and soon enough, reports of this were crossing the ocean into North America and Europe. The governments of Bolivia, Peru and Chile immediately send representatives to Paraguay, trying to ascertain what was happening. The same thing happened with Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil, with their governments demanding news from the battlefield as soon as possible.

>>97708197
What happened at the Battle of Acosta Ñu after the flash, it is difficult to describe, though from the feverish and maddened tale of the few survivors, it caused pandemonium across the Brazilian forces. Taken into complete surprise and many still blinded by the flash, most tried but failed to flee. While some of the cavalry was able to turn back in time, blinded as they were, the infantry was caught square by the unnatural event. The surviving witnesses swear to have heard “hellish sounds coming from the light […] screams that no living being ought to be able to do”, and the rumble of battle began once again behind them. To this day, noone know exactly what happened in there. The forces of “La Expedición Miserable” only investigate the outermost areas of the affected area, and the current blockade across the Paraguayan borders means that investigating the believed epicenter of the Rainbow Pillar is off limits.

>>97708202
The survivors of the battle, once they recovered their sight, quickly withdrew to Asuncion, where a great deal of the occupying forces remained. They arrived to find the city in flames, and the army withdrawing as artillery was seemingly laying down fire indiscriminately towards it. The city had been taken over by the madness that was, at that time, flowing across the entire nation. The effects of the Rainbow Pillar’s influence were seemingly immediate after its birth. Across Paraguay, locals who saw the Rainbow Pillar quickly began violently convulsing, spewing multicolored bile from all their orifices, and screaming in strange tongues. Not everyone began being affected at once, but an hour after the beginning of the event, nearly half of the local population of the capital were already affected. Hospitals were overrun with the afflicted, and people quickly gathered in churches, praying for salvation and deliverance against this seemingly divine punishment. Even with a fraction of the city still residing there after it had been evacuated and sacked, it was enough to unleash chaos.

>>97708204
The allied forces that were garrisoning the recently captured Asuncion were not prepared for this. Terrified of this malady (still not noticing that this disease only took hold of the Paraguayan populace), they began withdrawing. The desperate civilians went to the soldiers for any kind of desperate protection, but they were met with volleys of panicked fire. Many would even bar hospitals, churches and houses to keep the affected from spreading this seeming contagion, and then set them on fire. This act of seeming inhumanity would end up initially saving most of the Allied forces, as many of the poor souls afflicted by this evil would not survive before the changes began. The army was in a panicked rush to move, and the officers were still trying to get their men in line when they began being attacked by the population. Screaming and howling in rage and pain, they seemingly charged against the fleeing troops, and were shot down. However, the soldiers quickly noticed something was very wrong with them, as growth had begun to develop in all of them. Like those afflicted by the bubonic plague, buboes the size of fists had begun to sprout all across their bodies, swollen by technicolor bile. Those in that state were seemingly immune to pain, not because they could not feel it (as their constant screams denoted pure agony) but because they ignored its effects and just kept charging. Across the city, volleys of fire were shot against the infected citizenry, now acting more like animals, rushing in all fours and frothing at the mouth. The soldiers would need to shoot to kill, otherwise the frenzied civilians would rip them apart with their hands and teeth.

>>97708209
Deciding that staying in the city would be suicide, and stricken by the fear of these demons who had possessed the people of Asuncion, the commanders ordered to raze the city to the ground, leaving none alive. They would block the main roads once they were out of the city, and then put the capital to the torch. Whatever could not be easily salvaged would be fed to the bonfire. The “Profanación de Asunción” left hundreds of soldiers from the Triple Alliance dead or wounded, and the complete extermination of the entire population of the capital. The last thing the retreating forces heard as they moved with all haste out of that hellish place was the echoes of the people trapped there, begging for help or forgiveness, between the fire and the monsters.

>>97708214
>The Allies’ Retreat and the “Imperial Plea”.
The leader of the Brazilian forces at the time, Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston, the Count of Eu, who led the Brazilian forces in Acosta Ñu, was never found. His loss signified an immediate wrench into the Allies’ war effort, at a time when they needed swift action. Indeed, the phenomenon that had taken hold of Asuncion was repeating itself across all of Paraguay. All over the nation, thousands of people were falling ill to this curse, then attacking anything they came across, like wild animals. This ravaged the Allies’ logistical lines, and resulted in hundreds of flight of fight scenarios where the forces were ravaged by this unexpected force. Many had to flee into the jungles or the mountain, where panic, wounds and the things hounding them made mincemeat of the professional soldiers. Many even saw this as some form of divine punishment and took their own lives. The Brazilian armies were in full disarray, retreating back to their own border fast, with the Uruguayan and Argentinan forces following close. Behind them, thousands of soldiers had been dead, and a great deal of equipment was abandoned to hasten the retreat. News of this reached their capitals, to the shock and horror of their leaders, having absolutely no clue what was happening, how or why. They all had seen the Rainbow Pillar, but unlike in Paraguay, the sight of the phenomenon had caused no ill effect on them. The Brazilian emperor, Pedro II, quickly called the Duke of Caxias back into service. Despite the feud that had grown between the emperor and the old duke, there was no time to argue. Something unnatural was threatening to unravel the entire campaign, and the legends of bizarre agarthan powers were popular enough amongst the court to make them assume the worst.

>>97708221
The Allies’ response to this was slow. Panic had spread across the populace, and stories of the events in Paraguay were making many argue to leave that accursed country alone, hampering the recruitment efforts. They needed to reorganize their forces, cover for their losses and resupply the men, all while trying to figure out exactly what was happening. What had happened at Acosta Ñu? What was the malady that was spreading across Paraguay? What did it exactly do? Could it spread to the Alliance’s soldiers? If so, how to prevent it? Is it really worth to keep the fight going instead of protecting the borders? What was the Rainbow Pillar? Was it the result of a Paraguayan weapon? Did the tyrant López discover some sort of agarthan weapon? If so, what else did he have against them? For months, the Allied forces retreated to the borders of Paraguay, rebuilding the fortresses and strongholds across the jungles, plains and rivers, preparing for some sort of assault. One thing they knew was that a charge back into Paraguay without more info was foolhardy, least of all because it risked a full revolt from their own troops.

>>97708224
However, things began escalating fast. The border forces began receiving news of attacks of masses of people, twisted by the malady. Reports were coming that described throngs of the infected charging at any nearby population, regardless of military importance. It did no matter whether it was a small farming town or a strong fortification, they would barge in and kill everything and anything, all while screaming in pain. This caused a new wave of refugees, as most farm towns near the border were abandoned. Between them, some Paraguayan refugees had managed to cross the border with their lives, but once they were discovered the locals’ fear resulted in deadly lynchings, sometimes of entire families. Out of those who managed to survive, however, they begun to tell stories that their friends and families not only had fallen into the disease’s influence, but they were turning into something else. This would be corroborated relatively soon, when war journalists would bring back to pictures of things that once had been human, but no longer. They still were humanoid, but out of the buboes they had grown different elements: from plant-like sprouts, clawed arms, pincers… The most famous of these, the “Hermanas del Diablo” were the bodies of three women, somehow fused together at certain points, yet exceeding the logical number of limbs three bodies ought to have. After further examination, forensics discovered that they were growing fanged mouths out of their cojoined torsos, all while their eye sockets had sealed shut, with flesh and bone somehow growing to cover the holes. This particular body was taxidermed and eventually brought to the British government as proof of what was happening, and is now in display in London’s Museum of Natural History, under hermetically sealed glass container.

>>97708229
The discovery of a growing number of these horrors, combined with increasing attacks, led the Allies to conclude they needed to do something, as they could not defend static positions across such a massive frontier without hordes of these things crossing and causing pandemonium. The Duke of Caxias’ report of what they might need to push back against the unnatural threat did not satisfy Pedro II, as he asked for a massive mobilization of men and materiel, something difficult after almost five years of war. Suspecting they were not going into anything they had any experience against, Pedro II sent messengers and diplomats to all nations in the American continent, as well as to the European powers. The famous “Imperial Plea” was an open letter to all the nations in America, explaining the unnatural threat that was ravaging Paraguay, and the need to aid in finding some way to stop it or slow it down.

>>97708233
At first, these messages were received with cordial apathy. Europe was much more interested in other matters. France was finishing the Paris Elevator, and was preparing a campaign to aid its Parisian holdings to expand across the 3rd layer. Prussia was too busy finishing the War of German Unification, and helping the ostensibly catholic Latin-American countries would cause tensions under their current situation. While at first Britain showed signs of wanting to intervene, further discussions within Parliament led to their aid being limited to sending guns, ammo and money, and not in great quantities, as the Triple Alliance was quite in debt to British bankers after years of war as they were. Spain was in the middle of a civil war and in no position to help. Asking Italy was out of the question, as the hated vulcanists would only make things worse. Only Portugal sent some token forces, though the harsh fighting and clashes with the Brazilian government meant that they only stayed for a year.

>>97708237
>The USA intervention and the Battle of Villarrica
The United States, however, did listen more to the plea of the Brazilian monarch. While their civil war had ended in 1865 and the country was still exhausted, the idea of the Monroe Doctrine was quite popular amongst the populace and the politicians at the time. Besides, many men had ended up jobless after the war, and many ex-confederates were not adapting well to the new slaveless United States. Sending their cache of old weapons alongside volunteers and some token units would paint the country in a good light to the South American nations, something good for the burgeoning economic influence of the USA in the region. By the end of 1870, American forces began arriving to Brazil, to acclimate and prepare to fight in the Paraguayan jungles. They would be joined by a fresh campaign of impressment in the Allied countries. By early 1871, incidents of the Paraguayan horrors beginning to enter the Bolivian frontier across the Pilcomayo River pushed the nation to join in the effort as well, pressuring Paraguay from all side.

>>97708238
The combined forces’ initial plan was to slowly but surely advance across the Paraguayan border, trying to reach deep into the country, hunt down the beasts wherever they were found and save any pocket of civilian resistance still alive. From what little they know, the humanoid horrors were still weak to the same things that would kill a man: shot and shell, and if that did not work, a bayonet charge. The only thing they would have to keep an eye on was to avoid being overrun by unsurmountable numbers, and for that, they hired many balloons to act as scouts, warning the Allied forces of possible movements. The armies marched into Paraguay in early april 1871. They were able to fight and mow down a great deal of mutated monstrosities, as these simply charge at all speed towards the soldiery, with little self-preservation. These attacks happened constantly, both during the day and during the night, chipping away at the soldiers’ energy, making them paranoid and unable to sleep, something that worsened every time they had to cross deep jungle. Every time they found the remnants of towns, they were met with grizzly spectacles, with bodies clearly tortured, mutilated and shaped into horrific forms. Their flesh, while rotten, was still together enough to be recognizable. The beasts had not taken the chance to eat the fresh meat, an ill omen for sure. The soldiers, not wanting to risk contagion (at the time the phenomenon was still believed to be an unnatural disease) burnt the bodies, increasing the army’s mental burden.

>>97708252
By the time the army arrived at the remnants of the town of Villarrica, they were exhausted and drained of will. Their resolve tested to the point of near shattering, they scoured the city for any surviving soul, to no avail. Nature had started to retake the place, with many buildings already showing signs of deep disrepair. The walls were a grizzly collage of claw marks, bites, and even some apocalyptic writings. However, they did not find there a single mutated creature. After deeming the place good enough to stay the night, they set up a base to continue further. This mistake would led the combined army force, almost 15.000 men, trapped by what came from the nearby forests.

>>97708257
At midnight, the watchers sounded the alarm, alerting a particularly big wave of mutated monsters was coming. The soldiers quickly moved into positions and starting shooting down anything that moved, but the low visibility made their shots ineffective until the creatures were at a worryingly close distance. Then something unexpected began to happen: they began receiving returning fire. The shots did not sound like a regular gunshot, instead sounding like a metallic cry, and creating bright purple trails. Wherever these guns hit, they left burning marks, instead of holes into the flesh. The trails were shinny enough to help the Allied sharpshooters to try to take these down, but soon enough the shots stopped as the pale moonlight revealed a giant of gleaming metal. A construct as tall as a building, it bellowed an otherworldly war cry as it slowly moved toward the city, impossibly balancing on its three spindly legs. What it was, none knew, and how it had managed to sneak so close to the city, none knew either. Before the artillery could even attempt to hit it, a ray of green light came out of it, setting on fire anything it touched. What remained of the city was set ablaze, and the mutant hordes once again charged against the flaming hell. All order or composure in the Allied forces broke, and they began a mad dash to somewhere, anywhere far from that nightmare. The scattered forces, broken, terrified and in the dark, were easy prey for the monsters on the hunt. Out of the 15.000 men in there, only 500 managed to escape to tell the tale, running into the jungle and somehow hiding from the horrors until dawn broke.

>>97708263
>The escalation of the conflict.
The Battle of Villarrica’s slaughter shook all combatants to the core. It was one thing to fight mindless hordes of monsters born out of a freak agarthan phenomenon, regardless of how inhuman they were. It was another thing entirely to think that there was an intelligence behind it, an alien mind with some yet undetermined purpose. News of the event caused a great unrest within the Allied nations. In particular, the United States, who before this moment had not taken the conflict too seriously, suddenly saw a real threat within the continent. Some unknown force had appeared and slaughtered american forces with contemptuous ease. If this threat was allowed to gather up forces, who knew if they could move north and threaten the States? The increased number of attacks across the Paraguayan border, now including unidentified things beyond the mutant horrors, pushed once again the Allied forces into the brink. The Allies assumed a defensive stance across the Paraguayan border, only entering deep to destroy pockets of monsters assumed to be easily wiped by cavalry. Pedro II himself had to personally lead his forces to stop the hordes that were moving across the Mato Grosso, especially after the rumors that one “tripod” (the name given by the rumored walking metal giant) had been sighted in the region.

>>97708265
The US government began pressuring other countries to enter the war. The combined weight of US and Brazilian diplomacy managed to get substantial help from the european powers, especially France and Great Britain, who began shipping a great deal of arms and munitions, though they still refused to participate. Parisian advisors were sent to the front to try to investigate the matters, but they could not link what was happening to any Agarthan force known by them. This renewed diplomatic strength also managed to get other latinamerican nations to join. By December 1871, Peru, Colombia and Ecuador had joined the war, and by March 1872, Venezuela and Costa Rica had joined the Alliance. The United States also increased its war output, doubling the amount of soldiers sent into Paraguay in a year. An important discovery made during this period was that the mutant horrors could detect the troops even during pitch black night and complete silence, so long as the soldiers were afraid or in pain. Initial experiments with morphine were extremely positive, making soldiers almost invisible to the beasts. Morphine began being sent in liberal quantities to Paraguay, both to keep the soldiery from panicking and to hide the soldiers from the hordes.

>>97708269
Indeed, the war began devolving into a series of cat and mouse fights, where squadrons of soldiers specially trained for jungle warfare tried to hunt down the figures seemingly behind the horrors. It is believed that over 200 of these “hyperwarriors” were identified and taken down, often at great cost, as they were surrounded by the mutant hordes. Other “tripods” were located as well, in total seven tripods were located throughout the conflict. The best tactic against these became simply early detection with balloons, then a surprise attack with artillery or even baiting a tripod to move into a swampy area, or to somewhere where a trap had been laid. However, out of these seven, only two were reported to be taken down for sure, with the US army being able to recover bits and pieces of one before it self-detonated, with the other sinking deep into the Paraguay River after being broken by brazilian gunboat fire. The US army, as well as the Brazilian forces, managed to recover some of the strange weapons of these “hyperwarriors”, though the information regarding them is classified to the public.

>>97708272
>The Sudden Stop and “La Expedición Miserable”
By 1873, nobody really knew how long the war was going to last. After many years, the Alliance had taken down hundreds of thousands of mutants, but they seemed to keep coming. Across the plains, the mountains and the jungles, there seemed to be no end to them. Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay were exhausted, with Uruguay in particular being at the brink of a civil war due to the exertion of such a long war. Brazil was forced to free great percentages of its slaves to get enough manpower to cover for the losses and defend the entire border. Bolivia’s side of the war, while reinforced by Peruvian and Chilean troops, was growing considerably bloodier by the day. Even the United States was wondering if they would have to fully mobilize the country for the fight abroad, or if it was better to pull out and begin preparing the defense of the homefront.

>>97708276
And then, suddenly, it ended. In June 1873, a squad of Brazilian cavalry was ambushed in Itaquirai, near the Parana River, by a horde of mutants. Out of all of the monsters, one of them stood out: a mass of flesh, hundreds of arms and legs melded together, giving it an almost liquid appearance. Yet his head, now ravaged by the buboes and time, was still identifiable as the man that once was the tyrant Solano López. In one of his hands, melded together with the flesh, was that same scepter reported to have been used by the dictator during his last days of fighting. The Brazilian commander, in a moment of inspiration, decided to order his men to bait the creature. They would bring these creatures within range of an artillery unit nearby, and try to blow them up. While many of the cavalrymen died at the grasp of these horrors, the corporal José Francisco Lacerda managed to run his spear deep into the monster’s torso, enraging it and causing it to chase him. After a while, the horde of monsters was spotted by the nearby unit, and began receiving fire. One of the volleys managed to land squarely on the body of the target, shattering the bizarre device into dust, and causing a blinding flash of light that left everyone completely stunned. By the time everyone recovered, all the monsters were dead, and the Rainbow Pillar had disappeared.

>>97708282
Apparently, that was it. All across the battlefield, the mutants began falling over dead, as if their lives had been snuffed out. The shift was so swift and sudden nobody really knew what to expect. The disappearance of the Rainbow Pillar meant something had happened, but too many things had occurred to assume it was over. Yet, celebrations began occurring in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina once the tower of light faded into nothing, some of those lasting for weeks. The announcement of the beasts dying all around was also cause for festivity, but the job was not done yet.

>>97708287
During the remainder of 1873, the Allied forces entered the Paraguayan borders, checking every possible place to guarantee that there were no further monsters, and that whatever entity was behind them was gone. For a year, the armies went deep into Paraguay, and did not find a single survivor. From all intents and purposes, Paraguay had been left devoid of human life. However, things were clearly not right. A foreboding feeling lurked around every shadow, and unnatural phenomenon were reported frequently. Some even reported seeing some of the creatures still prowling in the jungles, but none of these reports were verified.

>>97708291
The Founding of PACT.
While this was going on, the Allied nations began discussing what to do. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia initially began planning sharing the remnants of Paraguay with each other, but the United States quickly pushed against that. Instead, they argued that until the area was considered fully secured, it was too risky to allow human population back. This led to the Paraguayan Exclusion Zone, an area that would be blockaded by the nearby countries. Noone could get in, nothing could get out. This caused fierce outcry, especially in Brazil, who had taken the brunt of the human cost of the war by far, but the decision ultimately stood. Brazil was in terrible debt, and after nearly a decade of constant and bloody war, the country was in no position to start a diplomatic incident with the United States. Still, Argentina and Brazil managed to get promises from the US that the territory would be shared between the two once 100 years had passed and the land was considered safe.

>>97708298
However, the talks were not over. After the governments of the nations who had participated began reviewing all that had transpired and all what they knew about the entities behind it, they realized they had learned practically nothing. This seeming torrent of unanswered questions let a great deal of unease, especially within the United States. The country then pushed for the creation of an alliance with the goal of investigating further unnatural events in the american continent, and to react accordingly if there was ever a need. The Pan-American Containment Treaty (PACT) was cause of great controversy within the american nations. While on paper this was a logical step after the horrors of the war, in reality the deal was clearly an unequal treaty. PACT obliged the members to hereby give the United States full access to and control over any entrances, artifacts or other supernatural phenomena in their territories and supply the expeditions to Agartha with men or resources. This meant that any entrance into the deep, as well as whatever benefit obtained from it, would be at least 50% controlled by the US (and in practice, their control would be considerably bigger). Soon enough, most of the American nations joined PACT, though Brazil took a great deal of diplomacy to accept the deal. However, the big exception to PACT became Great Britain, as they refused to allow their colonial holdings in America to join the organization, causing a brief diplomatic crisis. A similar crisis began with Spain, but the rise of Carlism facilitated an US intervention to kick the Spanish from Cuba.

>>97708302
The strength of the United States’ control over PACT was tested that same year, regarding the Chicxulub Mines in Mexico. While talks about the entrance had existed for years, the Mexican government managed to make the case for a renegotiation of terms, putting the US and PACT in the spotlight. Thus, Mexico got a much better deal than initially promised, gets a great deal of american investment, as well as getting most of its debt with USA condoned. This angered many in the US, as the costs of this acquisition had been much higher than expected, especially so soon after the war, but it was considered a necessary expenditure to keep PACT intact.

Behind the scenes, however, the US made further moves to investigate the events of the Paraguayan War. The further they grew their influence across Agartha, the more they confirmed whatever they fought in Paraguay was not from there. To avoid this information to cause panic within the population, has created a special organization to keep tabs on any “unconvincing” agarthan rumor, as well as to locate agarthan smuggling within the US. The US government, unbeknownst to all other governments, still hold parts of the broken tripod that was destroyed in the jungle. Rumors talk about Edison Electrical Co. being in charge of investigating and even reverse-engineering its technologies, but if something has come out of it, it is not known.

>>97708263
I like this, with a few caveats. I do think that 500 surviving out of 15000 is pretty intense, even by "horrible morale-shattering defeat" standards. The heat-rays are in TWotW canonically invisible, although I can't complain overmuch if they're made to be colourful since most adaptations do that including Jeff Wayne.

I'm not sure that a museum of natural history would display a taxidermized horrible human conglomeration corpse, but I could easily seeing them displaying the thing's skeleton.

Calling the Tripods Tripods make sense, what with their three pods, but I'm not sure why they would refer to Hyperwarriors by their actual name. Maybe something like "Jungle Ghosts" or the Spanish equivalent.

Portugal showing up even briefly is a good touch. The UK did historically like to prop up nations that owed it money (The Ottos OTL) but them only sending material aid is still in-character.

A sentence to emphasize that the US was able to form the PACT at all because the other nations were exhausted and/or on the verge of collapse would probably help explain why they can enforce such harsh terms on everyone. Especially Brazil.

>>97708388
>500 surviving out of 15000 is pretty intense, even by "horrible morale-shattering defeat" standards
I was envisioning something quite desperate: if they stay in the city, they'll burn to death or they'll be atomized by the tripod. If they flee, they'll get hunted down by hordes of mutants. Either way they are sitting ducks. The ones who survived are the ones who somehow hid in the jungle until dawn.

>I'm not sure that a museum of natural history would display a taxidermized horrible human conglomeration corpse
I imagine the skeleton option would make more sense.

>Maybe something like "Jungle Ghosts" or the Spanish equivalent
Maybe "enmascarados" (masked ones)?

>>97708528
>Maybe "enmascarados" (masked ones)?
That reminds me of Luchadors, which is fitting and funny in a way I cannot describe.

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I was thinking about the tone of Agartha lore today.
>1848-1875:
>"Italy has burned, Paris is lost, Paraguay is empty and the dead walk in Anatolia. Truly, the world has gone mad."
>1875-1914:
>"I'll beat those dastardly Sky Pirates to the ancient Atlantean treasure and win the hand of the Amazonian Queen or die trying, now who's with me men?"
>1914-0001:
>"Untold aeons of ineffable strife have begun. The Loop turns once more. All is lost."

Personally, I'm most fond of the middle. There are less wargames in that sort of spirit nowadays.

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>>97710275
It really is glorious. An age of romantic adventure and exploration, made all the more precious by how brief it is. An age of cowboys, samurai, adventurers in the jungle consorting with amazons and running from ancient dinosaurs, cold knights waging war on horrific monsters, lemurs, and gorgs. God, what a setting.

>>97710275
This makes me want to make another chart, it's been ages since we made one.

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>>97711582
I've been workshopping one for the Hyperborean cult factions on and off, but I'm not much of a Jaksman
Plus, I still probably have the half-done America chart lying around somewhere. We should see about patching that one up.

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>>97712158
I was always disappointed my tripod never made it onto a chart...

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>>97713030
I was working on a lore iceberg at one point, didn't finish it because I couldn't decide whether to put Ozymandias or the Mother in the missing space, but the tripod was at the bottom.

>>97713115
I vote Ozzy. Did you put Malcolm below Napoleon for aesthetics or a different reason?

>>97713115
I vote you replace one of the Atlan reps with Ozzy and put the Mother in the blank space.

>>97713115
Surely Akhmandag deserves a spot

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>>97713370
Mostly aesthetic since Malcolm has a darker background, though you could argue that the "Shadows" are more mysterious than Nappy.

>>97713511
How's this?

>>97713662
He needs no spot, for he already knows all there is to know.

>>97715480
>for he already knows all there is to know.
Even he, with all his millennia of knowledge, only has scammed the surface of the mysteries of the world.

>>97718026
>scammed
akhmandag is a CHARLATAN who LIES CONSTANTLY and MAKES SHIT UP

>>97718230
>When a Lieutenant of the Lost Men asked Malcolm who that strange old man outside their fort's walls was, this what The Lost King replied

>>97715480
What font/size are you using? I could add a few if you wouldn't mind. Like how Morlocks aren't aquatic or how there are no husked vikings.

>>97718630
Perpetua, size 28. Go ahead, I made it so anyone could add something if they wanted.

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So I'm trying to figure out what font to use for Hyperborea. Currently thinking about one of these three, but I'm open to suggestions.

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>>97719907
Maybe a metal band logo font? One of the legible but scratchy ones

I was thinking about what goes in the Hyperborea slot. Maybe meta-jokes like KaiserAnon quitting smoking or the sup/tg/ threads getting downvoted into oblivion. I would be a little worried about poking a sore spot and restarting the fucking Haiti debate or something though.

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fuck it. have some additions.

>>97719907
I think a Roman style font. Something imposing, but not distracting, certainly with serif. Personally, i'd probably just use Perpetua in allcaps. Of the fonts you posted, i like "Something else" best.
>>97719975
I think referring to events is fine, but that it would be wise to avoid referring to posters, even if just for 'stylistic' reasons.

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Started off simple, will add more as I think of them. Not sure how in-universe we're keeping it so I left off the editions (since our 2e is in-universe 4e going by the lore)

>>97720902
Lol, the "Something else" is the star trek font. Would be funny to use it anyway. I personally feel like the font for Hyperborea should be sans-serif, get across that futurism and artificiality, but all-caps Perpetual could work.

I'll keep tinkering.

>>97721859
Nice work. We could make layer-1 all the extra-setting meta stuff like editions, the fictional company making it, etc.

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Added the Imperial Japanese units to the unit list. I still think there were some satsuma rules somewhere, but I haven't ben able to find them in the archived threads.

>>97724288
Was it this?:

>Satsuma Samurai / Meiji Shizoku (18 Silver)
Soldier
AP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 7
Strength: 6
Discipline: 7
Labour: 4
Evasion: 6
Awareness: 4

>Armour:
6 in body, 5 in head, 4 in limbs.

>Health:
2 Box

>General Abilities:
-Flurry
-Quick Strike

>Special Abilities:
-The Warrior’s Way:
When this model would die or become shaken, it may immediately activate with 2 AP to move, charge, or attack any enemy within range.

-Shizoku or Satsuma:
If recruited by Mejii, this unit gains Semi-Expendable, Elite, and may equip modern weaponry from the Mejii list.
If recruited by Satsuma, this unit gains Deadly[Katana]


>Equipment:
Standard Equipment, Horse, 2-H Sword (katana), Spear (Yuri), Brasburg Musket (Geweer [should I make a matchlock profile or more than one musket profile?])
[NOTE: Mejii samurai may be equipped with Mejii equipment including sidearms and modern rifles, though they do become elite]

>Recruitment:
Satsuma, Mejii (ELITE IF MEJII), Hoken’s Heros (Not an actual faction)

>COMMENTARY: (OLD, FROM YEARS AGO)
You have the choice between a pretty good beatstick if you’re Mejii and the “Best colonial melee unit” if Satsuma. Compared to the New Mu blademaster he’s a lot less complex but also stronger at base. They like to charge.

It's lying around in my unit doc next to a couple of others. I can post the rest if you like.

>>97726623
>I can post the rest if you like.
Yes, please.

>>97713030
How would a hyperborian chart work?

>>97727106
>DISCLAIMER: THESE UNITS ARE AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF OLD AND MAY NOT REFLECT CURRENT RULES
>General Hoken (19 Silver)
Leader, Soldier, Character
AP: 3
LP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 8
Strength: 5
Discipline: 8
Labour: 3
Evasion: 6
Awareness: 1

>Armour:
0 in all

>Health:
2 in head
3 in body
2 in limbs

>General Abilities:
-Immune to Diplomacy
-Immune to Morale
-Deadly[Pistols]

>Special Abilities:
-Lust for revenge: (1 LP, 1 AP)
Immediately resolve a successful attack on the closest unit. If that unit dies all friendly models within 6 hexes may use this models discipline for the remainder of the turn.

-Madman:
If this model misses an attack or fails to deal damage you must immediately resolve an additional attack on the closest friendly unit. If a weapon needs to be reloaded first you must resolve a reload action and then an attack.
This model is immune to any action which would deal damage or cause it to act it after a failed awareness save.

>Equipment:
Must be equipped with a pistol, may be any colonial pistol. May be equipped with weapons from Ottoman or Japanese list.

>Recruitment:
-May Lead Japanese (Satsuma or Imperial) and Turkish (Husked or Unhusked) armies.

>COMMENTARY:
He is no longer welcome at the Warfare Existentialists after flipping a table and screaming in the smoking lounge when he heard the word “defeat.”

>>97730551
I should say that I don’t get the reference but I did look up the quote and laugh at the funny video. Nonetheless I figure this is the sort of man you get when an entire empire implodes into skeletons and violence. I can’t imagine moving to Japan for a holiday helped matters with what’s going on over there.
Mansure Armyman chart unit says they work well with him which makes sense because they’re easier to kill with one pistol shot.
The idea here is that you want him close to friendly units so they can deal with high dread, but also if he’s close to people he will blow their heads off when someone succeeds their armour save or dodges. It’s a tradeoff.
I’d like to find a picture that captures the madness with a fez and glasses but I can only find half of that.

>>97730562
>Satsuma Ashigaru (6 Silver)
Soldier
AP: 3
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 4
Strength: 5
Discipline: 4
Labour: 4
Evasion: 5
Awareness: 5

>Armour:
3 in head, 4 in body, 2 in limbs

>Health:
2 Box

>General Abilities:

>Special Abilities:
-Bravery under fire:
When adjacent to at least two other Satsuma Ashigaru units, this model does not generate dread when hit with a critical attack. It may additionally reroll any discipline save while adjacent.
>Equipment:
Standard Equipment, 2-H Sword (katana), Spear (Yuri), Brasburg Musket (Geweer [should I make a matchlock profile or more than one musket profile?])

>Recruitment:
Satsuma, Mejii, Hoken’s Heros (Not an actual faction)

>COMMENTARY:
The rare semi-colonial infantry unit with armour. Not much though (it’s a battered mixture of iron plates and lacquered bits)
Once the line breaks it’s over but if you can keep them in good order they’ll hold up under fire well. I considered giving them the ability to switch between farmer and soldier to represent their levy status but that would have been stepping on the mobolot and involved having alterations to the armour statblock.
Ashigaru infantry hold the line while the leading Samurai attack, while Mejii infantry charge while the officers hold a little behind. It’s a nice dichotomy.
Chart says they’re all female and I agree. Satsuma has manpower shortages even Paris didn’t have to deal with.

>>97730575
The original Imperial Japanese Soldier was also part of this batch but he got added properly after updates
>Satsuma Samurai / Meiji Shizoku (18 Silver)
Soldier
AP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 7
Strength: 6
Discipline: 7
Labour: 4
Evasion: 6
Awareness: 4

>Armour:
6 in body, 5 in head, 4 in limbs.

>Health:
2 Box

>General Abilities:
-Flurry
-Quick Strike

>Special Abilities:
-The Warrior’s Way:
When this model would die or become shaken, it may immediately activate with 2 AP to move, charge, or attack any enemy within range.

-Shizoku or Satsuma:
If recruited by Mejii, this unit gains Semi-Expendable, Elite, and may equip modern weaponry from the Mejii list.
If recruited by Satsuma, this unit gains Deadly[Katana]


>Equipment:
Standard Equipment, Horse, 2-H Sword (katana), Spear (Yuri), Brasburg Musket (Geweer [should I make a matchlock profile or more than one musket profile?])
[NOTE: Mejii samurai may be equipped with Mejii equipment including sidearms and modern rifles, though they do become elite]

>Recruitment:
Satsuma, Mejii (ELITE IF MEJII), Hoken’s Heros (Not an actual faction)

>COMMENTARY:
You have the choice between a pretty good beatstick if you’re Mejii and the “Best colonial melee unit” if Satsuma. Compared to the New Mu blademaster he’s a lot less complex but also stronger at base. They like to charge.

>>97730583
>Satsuma Saur Rider (26 Silver)
Soldier, Elite
AP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 6
Strength: 6
Discipline: 7
Labour: 4
Evasion: 6
Awareness: 4

>Armour:
6 in body, 5 in head, 4 in limbs.

>Health:
2 Box

>General Abilities:
-Quick Strike

>Special Abilities:
-The Warrior’s Way:
When this model would die or become shaken, it may immediately activate with 2 AP to move, charge, or attack any enemy within range.

-UNFINISHED RULE UNFINISHED RULE


>Equipment:
Standard Equipment, Cavesaur, Bullsaur, Skysaur, 2-H Sword (katana), Spear (Yuri), Brasburg Musket (Geweer [should I make a matchlock profile or more than one musket profile?])


>Recruitment:
Satsuma

>COMMENTARY: (2026)
I never finished this one. Someone else may have made a profile at some point for it. An extremely rare example of an unfinished chart unit and a great source of family dishonor to my clan. Porting over some of the Mu rules could be an easy fix (unruly mount, countercharge, etc)

>>97730599
There was also the Karakuri Labourer but the Clockwork Geisha fills that role and it was written a while after the big Satsuma batch.

There are some other weird surfacer units like the Etheopian micro-faction which I can dig up but those might do better in a merc chart.

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Picked up some of these for dirt cheap today. A great thing about travelling is finding hidden bargains, but it does really remind me how limited the selection at my own LGS is.

My plan is to get them done up as Neanderthals, I think they're already pretty close with the flat faces, I might sculpt planet of the Apes Sideburns/Chinstraps on one or two to really sell it.

>>97730607
>>97730599
>>97730583
>>97730575
Thanks. If you want, we could try to complete the Satsuma list with a couple of extra units.

Also, I had the idea of joining both japanese armies into a single book, and that you coud play either satsuma or imperials with specific rules for them or mixing them both with a somewhat weaker rule (kinda like with the armies of MESBG).

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>>97730575
I'll make some tokens for these while we see if we update the rules. By the way, what image should we use for General Hoken?

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>>97734297

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>>97734335

>>97730575
>Chart says they’re all female and I agree. Satsuma has manpower shortages even Paris didn’t have to deal with.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. If we were talking about the moments immediately after the fall, sure. By 1884? There's no way they wouldn't have enough men under arms, especially when they would have tried to assimilate local tribes into their own.

>>97734976
I'm pretty sure the real reason is a pun on gyaru.

>>97734976
We could justify it with the ol' "they did it out of necessity before it just became part of their lifestyle" thing, but aside from maintaining chart purity (praise the charts) I don't feel especially tied to it.
>>97734297
>Hoken Token
That rhymes! More seriously, I have no idea. He has a fez, glasses, and a deep-rooted psychopathy.

>>97735541
That reminds me of when it was revealed that the Golden Syndicate started as a joke about Sao Paolo. More lore than I would expect is just cultural references.

>>97736213
If we're going to complete the satsuma unit list, maybe we could go with something like this?

>Leaders
- ((Insert named character here))
- ((insert high ranked noble title here))
-General Hoken

>Troops
-Satsuma Ashigaru (levied peasant)
-Satsuma Samurai / Meiji Shizoku
-Satsuma Saur Rider


>Elite
-Shogitai. Katana wielding shock trooper. Maybe having some rule like "if it gets hurt, it can immediately move towards the nearest enemy unit"
-Onna-musha. Warrior women.
-Yabusame Saur Archer. Hit and run mounted archers. Maybe not in a raptor, but something fast (then again, how many dinosaurs are faster than a horse?)

>Specialist
-Warrior Monk.
-Ōdzutsu Cannoneer. A big fucking handcannon.


>Auxiliary
-Ronin

>>97736670
Looks good to me. I don't think we necessarily need to fill out every small faction with a full book (Like Ethiopia, or the non-Mu Saur clans, or the Outlanders) but these are some flavorful ideas. I like the handcannon especially, and having a ronin merc available to Satsuma and other factions would be very fun. (It reminds me somewhat of how in Black Sails there was a Samurai-type character in the background for a lot of the show until the final season where he served as a miniboss of sorts)

For named characters, would it be cheap to go with a Last Samurai type? Maybe someone from the US who got sick of the Long March to New Mu and went to go have Samurai funtimes, or an actual Muan who decided these guys with the Sake were alright.

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>LEE-DEHR:
The existence of Gorg nobility may seem paradoxical to an astute observer, given their seeming inability to judge value. How, for example, could a Gorg maintain wealth and status when they are known to freely give away great treasures seemingly on a whim? But Lee-Dehr proves that in the end, true nobility is found through actions rather than in trinkets. Crowned accidentally, the Sky-Gorg King loosely governs the largest collection of Gorgs known to survive, forming a strange enclave in the Yazata Assembly. He and his many friends delight in raiding from above for treasure, but not to hoard. Rather, the Sky Gorgs gladly give the plunder to their Sky People friends, the Gorgs raiding only for their own entertainment. The Sky People have long since learned not to question this, and instead to just happily share in the celebrations and copious Stink Juice which follow a successful raid.
But Lee-Dehr has begun to grow old, and the swings of his mighty scepter throw foes shorter and shorter distances by the year. His favorite friends, the Sky-Gorg Princes, carry on his legacy as best they can, but what will happen when the first and last Gorg sovereign finally sails down the Alph? None can say, save that it will be a sad day indeed.

Still debating how many horns Lee-Dehr's crown has. Somewhere between 6 and 8.

Also, does anyone have Gelek's writeup lying around? I do not want to dig through the archives to find it today but I am trying to compile/writeup many of the notable Sky-People.

After him and Lee-Dehr it's pretty much Sintra for named characters. I'll try to get an entry for her that avoids spoiling too much.

>Sintra:
Captured by an early German expedition into Agartha, Princess Sintra of Irrum provided much-needed knowledge about Agarthan life to the Epigean newcomers. She was an especially close advisor to Crown Prince Wilhelm II, even turning heads by attending a formal banquet at his side during a visit to New Kirkwall. Her proud and brash manners were exceptional even for a princess of the Sky People, but her deferential treatment of the Crown Prince as her captor provided a very interesting contrast. She is known to have remained with the Germans following the razing of Irrum, but disappeared shortly after at around the same time as the Crown Prince. Their connection and ultimate fates remain unknown.

NOTE: Working on an explanation as to why the Sky People were more eager to come to terms with the French and the British which has to do with this somewhat. Look at this line from the book:
>”His Highest Authority insists that His Majesty's men failed the honor-test that took place along the coast of the Inner Tethys. His Highest Authority finds that your use of blasting sticks and bombards are utterly without honor. He bids you face his forces, man to man.”

>>97737386
If this were completely true, then the other Colonials would also be dealing with a lot more attacks. Some of this probably comes down to Irrum being more hidebound than average, but another factor I think is that the Germans shot first and at no point accepted any ideas of buying them off. The Sky People thrive by raiding but not through outright conquest. They like client states, or failing that larger states that are willing to pay them. The British and French both have enough civilians scattered around in different settlements that individual companies and expeditions are likely to pay off the Sky People or otherwise fall prey to a raid. But the Germans are both so centralized, their tiny but densely packed colonies being all they have, and so militarized, they took armoured vehicles down on their first expedition while the British only developed the traction engines after years, that they’re pretty much immune to raids. By instead trying to use honor as a means to goad them into losing a leader during the duel scene the Sky People were attempting to decapitate the German force since they could not hope to match them militarily or subdue them by intense raiding.

This is all-but confirmed when the king later says:
“‘Compromise is the root of weakness. When you compromise your principles, you become a lesser man. When a King’s power is compromised by the badgering of the lower classes, his rule becomes questioned. Our compromise with them [Brits/French] required that they tender tribute. We accepted, in accordance with our custom. It wasn’t a relationship. It was a contract.”

>>97737392
What takes this from a bad relationship with one city to an eternal death-war with the whole culture is definitely the use of a Zeppelin, and the destruction of the city. That’s contesting not only their way of life (Flying monopoly [Ignore the outlanders]), but also insulting their belief that they’re better by bringing a city to the ground with the schlubs. You could hardly come up with a more offensive thing to do and the Germans did it practically by accident. To the Sky People it was the greatest insult they had ever received, but to the Germans it was just another operation.

Speaking of Client States, I'll try to get something about the Jannies at some point. They're an interesting idea contained only within one unit.

>>97730575
>>97734976
>>97736213
i dont think the ashigaru are meant to be textually all female, just that they happen to canonically include women and for whatever reason a male version of the model was never sold

>>97737392
>The Sky People thrive by raiding but not through outright conquest. They like client states, or failing that larger states that are willing to pay them.
That reminds me of the Berberian pirate nations. In a similar way, the brutal defeat of Irrum against the germans might have shattered the local cities and nations' image of the Yazata, forcing the Sky Clans to be more agressive to compensate?

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>>97736670
Making more tokens.

Onna-musha.

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>>97742248
I checked the japanese warrior monks, they apparently weren't a thing anymore by the 19th century. So instead I added the Komusō (the basket hat monks).

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>>97742257
Yabusame Horse Archer

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>>97742272
Yabusame Archer on Saur

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>>97742277
Ronin

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>>97742287
Ōdzutsu Cannoneer

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>>97742293
Shogitai (I really need to find a better picture).

>>97739025
That's an excellent comparison

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>>97736670
Daimyo (for generic leader)

>>97745103
Then again, how would the hierarchy of the Satsuma Domain work? Would it be a mere mirror of the shogunate, or would it be different?

>>97738384
Speaking of which, how many units in the charts stil have no rules?

>>97747678
>UNITS WITH RULES WHICH DO NOT APPEAR IN ANY BOOKS:
-Time Stranded Contractor
-Gurkha Merc (not an Aux? Chart implies merchood)
-Smenticyst Ploluph (May be in a book, didn't see it in the Flora bestiary which is where I expected it to be)
-Akamnandag
-Unpainted Mystery Unit (I argue that this should be used as the example unit in the corebook because otherwise it has no place)
-Unhusked Janny
-Lion Guard (Might be in a book on TTS)
-Unhusked Exile (Might be in a book on TTS or the vile application, can't find in mediafire. The Ottoman Officer fills a similar role)
-Cave Merchant (In the book, but not done yet)
-Reformed Gorg

>UNITS WITH NO RULES (Or at least without rules that I can find in my big pile):
-Thunder Mole (I think)
-Satsuma Saur Rider

>UNITS WITH NO RULES BECAUSE THEY AREN'T UNITS IN THE TRAIDITONAL SENSE:
-Star Ancestor (Just put "ALL IS NOTHING" on a piece of paper and hand it to your opponent. 1000 Silver)

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Tinkering with weapon scales on this Neanderthal (I know the base units can't take shields, but the thing is part of a single cast so I do not want to spend the time to remove and resculpt the area)
Perry scale arms work well with the figure, but Perry scale weapons are too small. GW scale are closer but maybe too big, this is what he has in the image. Tommorow I might try a couple others.

>>97747849
>UNITS WITH RULES WHICH DO NOT APPEAR IN ANY BOOKS
Do we have those rules anywhere? I also have some profiles that aren't on the TTS books yet.

>Satsuma Saur Rider
That one is >>97730599, but I think the satsuma profiles are either incomplete or in need of an update.

>Thunder Mole
Huh, I checked the NPC books, it's not there. I feel it should be in one of these.

>>97750198
>Do we have those rules anywhere? I also have some profiles that aren't on the TTS books yet.
The ones I listed are in my big document so I can pull up any specific ones if you like. At some point I'll try to get them formatted like book pages rather than the thread posts they're currently billed as.

Which profiles do you have out of the books?

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Halfway done with the satsuma update. I'll finish it tomorrow, it's quite late now.

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>>97752956
Let me know if there's any assistance needed with image sourcing or rules input, I would be glad to pitch in.

On an unrelated note, does anyone have the original edit used to make Gelek's profile in a non-hex format? I'd like to use it for the wiki. I found the original character description and art in a thread, but the Sky-People background edited in for the unit art is not there from what I can find.

>>97753837
>Let me know if there's any assistance needed with image sourcing
Right now, the big question I have is what to use for the Hoken token, I have no idea what to use. Once I have all the rules written, I'll post them.

>Gelek token
I think it's an edit between this image and a balloon.

https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/c/6/c68e66690c86582e9cce0c7c47da598216616735.jpeg

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First draft of the satsuma rework done. All feedback will be appreciated.

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>>97758097
I still have no idea what to use for this token.

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>>97754514
>Hoken
Ottoman Generals from the 1870s all have beards and Serene expressions. To get someone with the proper feel of angry madness I had to expand my search to the 20th century. Luckily, the man in the long grey coat (who I think is the best fit for Hoken) obscures his uniform with the coat so that it's hard to tell any period inaccuracies. The pistol might need to be poked at to make it into a revolver but it's already difficult enough to tell that I think we can get away with it.

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>>97758217
And here for the new weapon profiles.

>>97758106
>>97758115
Talk about timing!

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>>97758244
Here's a quick attempt of recreating the chart meme alongside >>97758115. I can try to add the glasses as well.

>>97758116
For "Be useful to your lord!" does "all 'Samurai"' units mean those with Samurai in the name? If so I can see that being pretty strong for 5 silver.
The faction traits in general in this case seem to apply to everything rather than the Hero unit in particular, but we do have precedent for that elsewhere.

>>97758153
Should the Saur Riders get Unruly mount? Both the US and Mu Saur riders have it.

>>97758188
This needs to be reworded because it does not specify what "the wound" is. It would probably also be better to have it be a d6 on 5+ since I don't think we use d3 that much elsewhere.

>>97758211
Do Ninjas not get access to the Hide rule? I really like the Stealth Infiltrators rule, but them not having hide is odd.

>>97758217
Ronin being summonable is a very interesting one and I'm interested to see how it would play out.

One last thing, Armour values still need to be put in. What are you thinking value-wise for Samurai-style amour?

>>97758411
>That image
I think I am about to die, but I will die happy.

>>97758632
>"Be useful to your lord!" being too expensive
Sure. Would 10 silver be too much? And it technically affect to the Daimyo and the Hatamoto as well (not the ronin, though).

>Should the Saur Riders get Unruly mount?
Sure, though I haven't seen how that rule works much.

>This needs to be reworded because it does not specify what "the wound" is.
"Every turn that this unit has not received damaged, every allied model within its awareness rolls a d6 whenever they suffer a successful wound. On a +5 roll, they ignore the wound.

>Do Ninjas not get access to the Hide rule?
I do not want to make them too cumbersome to use, too many rules, plus being too costly to be viable. Anything to nerf it enough to justify the "hide"?

>What are you thinking value-wise for Samurai-style amour?
What do you mean? They do have the armor values there.

>>97758762
>10 Silver
Maybe 8 or so. Having a Samurai unit tag to clarify who it affects could be good (and would double as a way to move the warrior's way out of profiles and into the start of the book)
>Unruly Mount
Double checked, here is what the rule is:
>"Dismounted! : At the beginning of each turn, if this model is Shaken, test its Discipline. If failed, the model is kicked off its
mount, place a Stunned Saur Knight with an identical Loadout except it has no Mounts (adjust the Health and Stats accordingly)
in an adjacent hex, and then replace the old Mounted Saur Knight with a Hostile Saur model."
It's only on the Saur Knight and not the Squire or the Keshiq in the Mu book, which might be an oversight or an intentional thing (not for the Squire which I wrote though, I assumed that the Saur Order rule contained mount rebellion and would have included it in the profile if I knew it did not)

>Ninja Hide
Instead of nerfing, I would suggest making it so that the Ninja may attempt to hide as part of the Smoke Bomb Rule.
Maybe something like
>"While within a smoke token, this unit may use the hide action at 0 AP once per turn"
Dropping the double damage while in smoke caveat would help simplify the profile but the hide rule could fit in either way I think.

>Armour
Sorry, I thought those were placeholder values given how low they were. Considering that chainmail and Tinglit wooden armour have values in the 3-4 range I think that we can buff up the armoured units to be at or around where the KoB are since the Samurai would have been wearing either Lamellar or actual metal plates.

>>97758862
What about "Riding Roughly" instead of "unruly mount"?

Riding Roughly: When this model becomes shaken, place a Hostile NPC model of its Mount adjacent to it in a free hex. This model no longer has a Mount and takes a [/] wound. If this happens during a Campaign, this model loses its Mount for the rest of the Campaign.

>double damage to the ninja
I added that to not fully discourage the opponent from trying to shoot it anyway, otherwise the ability is quite busted.

>Armor too weak.
Would adding +1 to everything to all samurai units be enough?

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I just found an article about a Finnish scientist who attempted to create artificial auroras in the 1870s and may have succeeded.
One wonders what he called down, if anything, in Agartha's timeline.
>Lemström’s device “consisted of a 2-square-metre spiral of copper wire held aloft on steel poles about 2 metres tall. Soldered to the wire were a series of metal rods that pointed skywards. He ran another copper wire 4 kilometres down the mountain, to which he attached a galvanometer to measure the current and a metal plate to ground the device. This elaborate apparatus was designed to channel and amplify the electric current that Lemström fervently believed was flowing from the atmosphere into the earth, and hence bring forth an aurora.”
https://www.bldgblog.com/2026/03/the-landscape-architecture-of-auroras-on-demand/

>>97758937
>Finnish scientist reads about the Rainbow Pillar in Paraguay
>Against all sense of reason, decides to recreate it.
>Actually manages a mockup of some success
>The finnish government, horrified at the thought of being Paraguay on Ice, decides to detain the scientist and destroy the research

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>>97758926
Riding roughly would work better, it's much more cleanly worded.

>Armour
I think this comes down to what we see the Samurai as actually wearing. The images provided suggest it's more traditional (maybe even ceremonial) than the Knightly Nanban style but then we also can see the Ashigaru wearing half-plate reminiscent 17th century European armours.
If it's ceremonial then it should be in the 3-4 range. Traditional Lamellar would be around 4 too Nanban would be 5-6 and a theoretical titanium Samurai with crystal katana would be higher still.

What is your reasoning for the current values? If it's balance I would argue that having fewer but better armoured units is in keeping with their theme and balance, and helps differentiate them from the Surface Japan who have waves of charging but unarmored soldiers.

>>97758999
Something like this?

• Unruly Mount: At the beginning of each turn, if this model is shaken, test its Discipline. If failed, the model is replaced by a “Samurai” model with identical loadout (adjust the Health and Stats accordingly) without a mount and becomes “stunned”. In an adjacent hex, add a NPC “Cavesaur” model.

>what's your reasoning for armor?
I never really know how to balance armor and cost, most of the units I made have no armor, and very rarely they have more than 3 on a single area. In this case, the samurai are slow melee glaciers, they are probably going to be picked out by range by many other armies. And giving them too much armor is going to make them too similar to Atlan and their titanium armor.

>>97759147
>Unruly Mount
Yeah that's good

>And giving them too much armor is going to make them too similar to Atlan and their titanium armor.
I can understand the concern of stepping on their niche, but there is a world of difference between 4-5 armour and a Titanium set in terms of power, especially as most ranged weapons already have some level of piercing. Especially since the Samurai have more mount options than Atlan and aren't especially slow to begin with.

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>Unedited but extremely fitting Morlock (Kuo-Toa) depiction

>>97758937
>Tunguska wasn't a meteor, it was just ground zero.

>>97759177
Would giving 3 armor max for all samurai and 4 for the leaders and heroes be enough?

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>>97762910
Yes, but with the caveat that unarmoured units wearing armour in their art should get art that reflects their unarmoured state. I tried to find some western art of the average Satsuma rebel but it's surprisingly difficult. Essentially I think that the Ashigaru needs a replacement because their unit art currently has heavy metal armour which could lead to confusion. Something like the forces on the right would be more apt.

It would be nice if a few other posters could pitch in their opinions too, if anyone else is lurking around at the moment.

>>97763132
>Essentially I think that the Ashigaru needs a replacement

Something like these? Most ashigaru options represent them quite armored.

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>>97763264
The third seems the least armoured to me, but if we're not giving more than 1 armour to the unit we can't really use any of them. It is important to point out that what they're calling Ashigaru in-setting may not reflect the pre-Edo versions 1/1 with equipment.

Thank you for putting up with this quibbling by the by.

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>>97763347
Done. I've changed the armor values for samurai and related units.

Also, I was thinking of making an item out of those oni war masks some samurai had. Would an item avalilable to samurai that gives the ability "terror" for 5 silver be too much or too little?

>>97763856
Also, I just realized they don't have a specialized "peasant" unit. They would definitely have something like that, though what could we do to make them unique?

>>97763898
I see three options:
>Rice farmer who can convert water/wetland-adjacent tiles to wetland, gains silver for number cultivated
>Cormorant Fisherman but with a wacky Agarthan creature instead of a bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cormorant_fishing#Japan)
>Karakuri Labourer proposal from a while ago (Karakuri puppets adapted to manual labour)

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>>97764187
forgot image