Minis on Terrain editionBattlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, Kill Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.Helpful resources: (feel free to suggest additions!)https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0VTQ: Do you build or buy terrain for your games? Show your minis in action.
Are there furries in mordheim?
>>97594541Canonically just few beastmen and many skaven.But Chaos Mutations can look like "anything", so there's room for interpretation.
>>97594495Old thread>>97537396
>>97594630Thsnks anon, I fucked that up.
Alright, after playing spyrers, cops, cops, cops, cops, cops, cops, spyrers, and cops, I'm being challenged by Genestealers. Their big thing is Blaze immunity, right? Do they all have lascutters or is that only champs? How are they in melee? I'm operating on half a Cawdor gang after taking devastating losses in Great Darkness.
What's your favorite imperial navy bfg fleet? I wanted to like bakka because of all the unique ships but they're just not jiving with me
>Thinking of getting back into Necromunda after all these decades>go to local warhammer store looking for core book>40% 40k, 40% aos, 10% tow, 10% kill team>only Necromunda in stock is the shitty starter box>insulted that there is a story copy of the core book next to the register>get welcomed to order it from the kiosk in the backIf I was a ass I would have told them if I have to order/ship it why the fuck would I order it from you when I can buy it anywhere else for less than msrp? Why the fuck would you not have one copy of the CORE RULES for all your games in stock?
Hello thread, I am stopping by from /40kg/, I just have a greentext to drop>just getting into the hobby after being enthralled with the 40k and FB/AOS universes for 10~ years>buying up some models and assembling/painting them>blessed enough to have a job where I can hobby on site>work with tards>one of my tards enjoys hanging out with me while I model>tard is a cool dude who loves vidya and sports, especially gridiron football>hmmmm, Blood Bowl Season 3 has a full box on sale for 30% off>order in to spend some quality time with my tard buddy making some models and playing football together on the tabletop and not just on Madden/NCAA for 360>planning to paint hoomans in his favorite NFL teamReally looking forward to using Blood Bowl tabletop to connect with my special buddy and have him exercise his football IQ.Going to use this as a way to try and branch into a Tomb Kings army for Old World as well (and a death army in AoS). Do any of you seasoned Blood Bowl players have advice for complete newbs? I also intend on bringing the game to my LGS and seeing if I can get some games going with fellas down there.
>>97594733I have never played vs Genestealers, but as a Cawdor who has been slapped down to 500 pts of dudes, I am praying to the Emperor for your victory.
Lost today's game of battleclade vs raveners, almost entirely a skill issue on my part, but I got some hell nice pictures of the ordeal. We wound up with a big mosh pit of raveners brawling with servitors, winning, and then getting torched by even more servitors, and a lot of teleporting shenanigans too.
I spit on Moria’s corpse. Post FAQ White Hand is still too powerful. Crebain needed a nerf too.
Who are some good companies for third party 'Munda models?Bonus points if there's good Cawdor and Delaque
Man, I wish Dunland as an army was more than just "hobos with sticks".Even with legacy you aren't getting much outside of a very convoluted way to reach fight 4.
So I've never had any means to get into Warmaster or Epic and I still don't, but I've always been fascinated by both, especially the former. I love the scale, the concepts, and also think the 10mm minis are just kickin' rad. Are there any good sites with fluffy battle reports or some with nice good galleries of excellent Warmaster or Epic minis?
>>97595713PrintMinis do a lot of Necromunda proxies if you're interested in 3d printing.https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-purifier-gang-expansion-349858
>>97595945I don't know anything about Epic but for Warmaster, look up IainMStanding on YouTube. He's done an enormous amount of introductory content including battle reports, tactics articles and faction overviews that go into good depth.
>months since 3rd season edition drop>no new star players whatsoever for the new teams
>>97595204>Do any of you seasoned Blood Bowl players have advice for complete newbs?Advice on what aspect of the game? Not being a dick, just trying to narrow it down>>97596061I just want a fucking unique big guy for the Brettonians
>>97596504I should have been more specific. I am wanting advice to making it as playable as possible for a tard who is great at vidya and sprots but is still, well, tarded. I also have no experience with the game so I'm at his level rn.Are the play by play rules of the game easy enough to translate from real girdiron? I'll be the one doing all the reading and having to explain it all in plain language.Also also, is it worth dipping in my toes for another team model box for different playstyles? Or do the teams largely play the same? (I can always proxy rules for my tard buddy too anyway)
>>97596522I wouldn't buy another team until you find out if you like the game or not + how it plays. Tomb Kings and Bretts are alright starters. There are some similarities between teams (bashy, agile, hybrid and stunty) but they mostly all have unique play styles as well as theme.The way I learned the game was playing against the AI in Blood Bowl 3 (the videogame) because that put guard rails on what I could do and it showed me additional info you don't get on the TT.Blood Bowl is really only football themed. Knowledge of one doesn't carry over to the other at all.If you don't want to play Blood Bowl 3 (which is still using an old ruleset but is updating soon), I would watch some videos to get familiar yourself with how the game is played.The key parts of the game are 1) tackle zones, 2) blocking (which means hitting someone) and 3) assisting with blocks. If you have these three things down, the rest of the game is easy to comprehend (then you start getting more into higher level positioning and risk management, etc.)
In Mordheim, does the Warrior Wizard skill only let you cast while wearing armor, or also while using a buckler/shield?
>>97596585Gotcha. I will do some research and report back next week how our first game goes. If nothing else I'll have some nice minis to paint.
Are there any roles/niches the Imperial Nave is lacking? Came up with several ship class names but outside of a battlecruiser'd gothic I have no idea how to outfit said ships if I were to write up custom stats for them
And again. If Exotic Beasts in Necromunda "die" in a mission are they just dead and you have to buy new ones or are they also treated like gangers n such with being able to get healed n stuff? can you capture them? or are they more like equipment, once bought thhey replenish each mission? kinda have problems finding the rules.
>>97597702They are treated like gangers. The gain xp, get injured, etc. the same as any other fighter https://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/founding-a-gang/exotic-beasts
>>97597740Thanks, i somehow always just landet on beast lists from some gang and could not find the overall rules..
>>97597300I think every combination has been canon'd except for that one.
>>97598171
>>97598177I supposed you could try to get funky with light cruisers.
Is there any kind of page like this for escort carriers? I have one model but I never did find where the rules are.
>>97598244Not the victory but close enough for my rant, isn't the victory battleship supposed to be a low-tech imitation of the apocalypse class? And yet the victory's lance batteries are double the apoc's range. Yes they're lower strength but not by too much. And it goes faster. And if you want to boost the range of the apocalypse now you have to gamble on engine damage. I don't get the design decisions. The victory is a bakka exclusive design yes but it doesn't make me any less angry
I think, after I finish my current MESBG army, I will start an Ent army. Nice and easy. Probably like 6-7 models total for a full size army.
>>97594772There's not much difference between the variant list themes when it comes down to it. Bakka is meant to be about gunnery rather than carriers but adds a bunch of unique carrier hulls for no real reason; Bastion Fleet is meant to be about old obsolete hulla but in practice is just Gothic Fleet with more options. My favourite fleet build is pretty standard Gothic: a Retribution battleship and a bunch of standard cruisers plus a few escorts. Charge in as a phalanx and enjoy shotgunning torpedoes; it's not subtle but it's good fun.
>>97598926What's your current force?
>>97598244Do you mean specifically the freighter-carrier or one of the light cruiser carriers specifically?
>>97599675That's what I was looking for, thank you>>97598340
>>97599731Now that all the stats are here it's 2 less strength on the lances for double range and +5cm movement, plus an option to make it cheaper with torpedoes.Why can't the apocalypse get such nice things?
>>97599875I mean, with the Lock On range boost effect it does somewhat balance out (despite the critical). I agree that the Victory should have an additional malus for what it offers, though. Perhaps a downgrade on shield or turret rating?
>>97599134Khazad-Dum
Anons, how the hell do I use Kommandos effectively? 2 APL and melee seems like a really bad combo.
>>97601206They can charge from conceal
>>97601210But can you use the fight action while concealed? No matter what it's gonna cost 3 AP to reposition or dash close enough, charge, and the use the fight action to melee.
>>97601206The nob is 3 APL, and you have two ways to hand out +1 APLYou also have universal charge from conceal, which is simple but very strong in keeping your boyz safe till the right moment, and also combos directly with Skulk About even if they do get shotJust a Scratch is so good that its now become a byword for similar damage-ignoring ploys on later teamsYou can also further close the distance with ShhhhhhOn open boards, consider dropping the burna boy for a regular boy who'll give you free stun/smoke nades every turn>>97601218Yes, conceal only normally prevents you from charging. You can always fight on conceal. So Kommandos can charge/fight while on conceal, ideally placing yourself somewhere you'll still be in cover should you kill the enemy in melee and thus keep yourself safe from return fireAnd you can't reposition/dash in the same turn that you charge anyway
>>97601218>No matter what it's gonna cost 3 AP to reposition or dash close enough, charge, and the use the fight action to meleeSounds like you've got a lot to learn about how the game works if you still think you can charge in the same turn as another movement action.Use conceal orders to sneak up, position yourself to be in charge range for an enemy model that is already expended. Then, next turn, you are ready to charge -> fight them. Set up two of those opportunities and you'll mitigate the risk of losing initiative (should you do so and one of your threats gets picked off, you still have the second one).Between 10 wounds, 4/5 damage, just a scratch to punch way above weight/stonewall enemy counterattacks, and conceal charges, the team is really capable. Then you add their surprisingly good shooting to take care of remote threats (make sure to bring harpoons, they are marine-killers when you have dakka dakka dakka active), and you have a team that doesn't really have any major weaknesses.
A. Are navy breachers any good? I think they look coolB. What does the inside of the chainfist hand look like, is it like a power-mitten?C. Are there extra helmet heads? Not a fan of bare or the half-mask heads
>>97601351Oh you meant for KT. No idea, but here you have a base idea for Necromunda.I wanted to use a mining laser but due to rarity issues I ended using a Grenade Launcher. Could replace something and get a hanger on to reduce the rarity and get the laser, but would leave me with even less bodies.
>>97601295I'm still pretty new. We have loads of kill teams and have just been deathmatching them. One thing I've been confused about is whether there is a set order for operative activation, or if you can just select any operative who hasn't been activated.
>>97601424You can activate any ready operative. Choosing who to activate in which order is a huge part of making your game plan
>>97601351>A. Are navy breachers any good? I think they look coolThey're pretty nice nowadays. I think they're a bit skewed - a lot of their power is in their damage reduction ploy and their one time servo-skull detonation and then the rest of the team is less powerful to compensate, which can be a shame. They're also pretty tough against power armoured teams, given their lack of armour piercing. Definitely worth playing overall though. Do beware, you need to either do some cutting and bring a spare 28mm base or buy two boxes to get the two gunners you're allowed to field. Really stupid box setup on this one. At least with a second box you'll also get every alternative weapon option you'd ever want and the spare armsmen for swapping in.>B. What does the inside of the chainfist hand look like, is it like a power-mitten?I guess? I dunno what you're expecting to find in there. It's kinda plain.>C. Are there extra helmet heads? Not a fan of bare or the half-mask headsThere are, I assembled my team without any bare skin showing.
>>97601889All I can see the fist as is one finger above the saw so I was just wondering if there was any extra detail on the flipside
>>97601889With the two gunners what's the best setup?
>>97603118(not him) in most teams gunners are VERY important, especially everything that can deal with space marines and the likes.
>>97603118>>97603146Sorry misread your question...Leader Hairloom pistol power weaponAnd basically every specialist + 1 armsman. (like with most teams that can take all specialists)
What should I model my Orlock Wreckers with? I've got the four from the box and I haven't tried seeing if at least the male ones can use arms from the core gang.
>>97603146>>97603304Well, is says you pick two out of the laser, melta, and plasma. I would assume the las and plas are the go to buut I only did a skim of the rules
>>97603386Usually you take plasma melta but for newer players melta can be especially tricky to use and get in position because of the close range. Usually still worth it against most teams.
I fuarking luv Warcry.
>>97603308Chainsword/Chainaxe + autopistol/plasma and grenade (demo or blasting charge) best loadout for them.There are plenty of chainsword/axe bits from Jakhals kits, Jakhals also fairly cheap due to them being in all World Eater big boxes.2 chainsword/axe, not a great loadout but jakhal got them and it looks cool.Stubgun, then demo/blasting charge or knfie on the other arm. The cheapest loadout. Every bits are from the kits. downside is that orlock stubgun is so ugly.Hand flamer, then chainsword/axe/knife/stubgun/demo charge on other arm.Don't have to buy weapon on the "other arm" right at start if you're short on credit, just don't cheat and inform your opponents. Chainaxe is trading post weapon so you can't start with it.
>>97603386>>97603118The las volley is kinda ass this edition. Range limitations aren't actually that important in KT thanks to conceal orders letting you get up close, so the default selection should be melta + plasma.
Is it just me or are clan Pestilens Skaven quite strong in Mordheim? My group started playing Mordheim recently and I thought Plague Monks are really cool so I picked them for my first warband. Since then we have played four games and I have yet to lose one, and I have now gathered enough gold to add a Rat Ogre to my warband, although adding it feels like making a strong warband even stronger?How do you keep games of Mordheim fair? I'm kind of worried my warband is turning into a deathball that wont be fun to play against or with.Should I just roll up another type of warband?
>>97604795I'm a Mordheim noob but I would talk over balance with your group. Maybe everyone else gets a bonus (more gold?), maybe your rat ogre costs more or has a per game tax
>>97604795Play frostgrave instead
>>97604795There is an xp bonus for difference in warband rating at least
>>97606606>everyone else gets a bonusWhy even play? Rob the winner of their win, reward the losers in the name of equity and eliminate all legitimacy, it becomes a pointless circlejerk because there is no risk or reward.Anon is only trying to humblebrag anyway.
>>97606922Imagine playing Mordheim to dominate and win, not to have funShiggy diggy
>>97607072the game just naturally leads to that. You need to work against yourself to not break the game.
>>97607072Imagine needing handouts in a game to have fun
How are Dark Elves in the new version of Blood Bowl? I wanna start a new team, and I'm between wood elf and dark elf, but I know Dark Elf was really good in 2e. Coming from goblins I'm worried it'll look like I'm just chasing rules if I go to a team that's too good.
>>97607340>in 2eDude, that was like 30 years ago
>>97607346My bad, I'm mostly playing Heresy at the now, so the previous version of everything is 2e to me. The previous ruleset, regardless.
In BFG if I take a pair of Armageddon Battlecruisers as my main beatstick for a fleet, what cruisers should I take to support them? Being based off the jack of all trades lunar class, I'm not quite sure
The old trove on the share thread got nuked at some point. I’m ready to get into the game after being away for a few years. Can someone point me in the right direction? OC model to prove I’m not a corpo
>>97608993I should have specified, I’m looking for Necromunda
When is emperor’s children/Slaanesh gonna get a kill team?
>>97609142Probably never, GW hates them.
>>97609142You already have legionaries with mark of slaanesh>that doesn't count because..... it just doesn't ok?Yes it does
>>97609184It is not a dedicated Slaanesh tea other than warpcoven, plague marines, gellarpox, goremongers and stupid nemesis claws have two.legionarys, blooded, cult are chaos undevided.
>>97609184Just because an Eevee knows Bite it doesn’t make it an Umbreon
>>97609206>>97609184>that doesn't count because..... it just doesn't ok?Yes it does@97609267the exact kind of nincel veddit tier post expected from a ktard that's too mentally impaired to kitbash or homebrew
>>97609277What the fuck is a nincel, what is a ktard? Where the hell did all that projection come from? Are you okay? Have you been outside lately?
>>97609277>too mentally impaired to kitbash or homebrewIf you have to kitbash or homebrew there is no dedicated team.
>>97609277I want a release that says emperor’s children or slaanesh on the box like khorne got. You’re not a good listener.
>>97609007necroraw.com.ruThere're no trove, only upload request.
>>97608993https://mega.nz/folder/UvgX3CLB#ArpJzxU-mDimTRKGZ_alXw/folder/s74AVSyB
>>97597300There are not so many different weapon systems and they dont have that much tactical variation. They have already done every variation.Lances have low dice but high penetration. Weaponbatteries have high dice but normal strenght.Torpedos are ordnance that can force opponents to move in another direction.Ordnances are torpedos that can move behind obstacles.Nova cannon is a sniper weapon.Anon >>97598225 is right that light cruisers and battleships could have potencial for more classes. But when you look at escorts, the combinations are not that many with only those weapon systems avaible.Thats why they released the Falchion light cruiser and similar escorts or grand cruisers to play woth the ship hull stats.
Has anyone ever homebrewed a space hulk upgrade so the game is less braindead simple?-marine loadout choice after map reveal, different chapters?-radar to tactically uncover blips? deployable radar gear?-different tyranid units such as a broodlord or malstrain genestealers, adding another dimension to guessing what's under a blip?-multiple objectives?
>>97597300You can check the 40krpg general, someone over there has made some absolutely bizarre ships like sniper ships, anti-fighter ships, artillery ships, shield ships, and even new kinds of strike craft
>>97594495Shame these games were delisted, got ahold of them recently and had bug killing fun.
Stop posting about Kill Team ITT
>>97613532Thanks for reminding me to post thishttps://mega.nz/folder/0a10kTyb#Kro6lhFGnt9hmfuJCT3BKQ
>>97610059>They have already done every variation.This. Unless you are inventing entirely new types of weapons, basically every combo already exists. And nobody will talk to you if you use homebrew anyway so...
>>97598171>>97610059Might as well post the ships if anyone has feedback or ideas for others>Subjugatior Class CruiserEssentially a Dominator with the nova cannon swapped for a Bombardment Cannon like a space marine strike cruiser, but probably fixed forward>Saturn Class BattlecruiserThe aforementioned Battlecruiser'd Gothic>Warlord Class Pocket BattleshipAn Overlord with bigger guns, thinking either s10 or a pair of s5 or 6 batteries per side, maybe an extra shield and turret, and the engine explode rule like the Mercury Cruiser hasAnd this last one I'm not so sure about but it's the only other I could think of stats for>Jupiter Class BattleshipBombardment Cannon BroadsidesOther ship names I though of include: Oligarch & NeptuneFinally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?>>97613287I'll have to look into that, thanks
>>97594733Just played this game out today>gunk war, on defense, end of turn 4>OOA'd a flamer hybrid with a stub gun, cdg'd two guys including his leader, severed another ganger. He had his abberant left and I had my whole gang except for a juve, my Eviscerator was seriously injured but had an apostate near him >fail bottle, my 7+ leader leaves>everyone else fails their cool checks except for one juve who was at T1, opponent succeeds his cool>Turn 5, lose priority, abberant charges juve and OOA'sI'm not even mad. Shit like that is why I love Necromunda. Homie was rolling like shit the whole game up until that point
>>97613868Homebrew is kinda weird. You expect them to be overpowered or unbalanced. So people like to stick to the official rulebooks/fleetlists. I think thats what people forget why many are so company focused. Something everybody can or has to agree on.
>>97614328>Subjugatior Class CruiserThat is kinda the question. Give them other stats or weapons that defines a faction. Honestly i would leave the bombards with Space Marines.>Saturn Class BattlecruiserSounds you found a variation. Legit interesting. But the dorsal lance should be the only 60cm and the sides still 30cm or 45cm.>Warlord Class Pocket BattleshipSounds too much like a RPG used ship. You dont need an existing class but bigger guns. If you want more Weapon batteries you could take the overlord and give him weapon batteries in the prow like the Emperor battleship has. No 6+ front armor and the player has to decide which weapon batterie side he supports. And keep the dorsal lances to make him differ from the Emperor.>Jupiter Class BattleshipLike with Subjugatior. When you want bombards, you could easily just hire Space Marine cruisers.
FUCK MURDERWING
>>97618337How bad are they to play against in practice? I've only got theoreticals thus far.
>>97618397Just constant asscrack guaranteed damage + damage negation, charges from across the map. It just fucking sucks.
Ayo, anyone got a copy of the Warcry V1 Bringers of Death or Heralds of Destruction faction books ? I'm looking to pad my archive.
>>97614328>Finally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?There is this Smotherman Formula.yenlowang.free.fr/BFG/smotherman_formula_v205.pdf
>>97615876It works for a lot of awgs. you just need not-easily breakable formula or spreadsheet that respects the existing power curve. it's not like the official thing is any guarantee of quality. GW seems like they playtest even less than the average homebrewer.
>Numenor had its colonies in far harad, Umbar is just fhe northenmost one>Numenoreans also mixed with the haradrim in the same way as the numenoreans did with the northmenMeaning you can fluff up and make a legitimate "evil Gondor" army to represent your totally OC black numenorean city-state. Just hold off from using the named heroes. Man, being irrelevant to the plot has its advantages.
>>97625077I just got into MESBG recently and I love how in depth the world is. I am both sad and happy I got into when I did, because if I got into it a year ago I’d have gone full Far Harad and had a squatted army now.
>downtime game>leader gets fleshwounded out because of koiron>champion is still in 6" of everyone though>end of turn one, bottle check fails>champion runs >apostates leave>entire gang leaves How do I prevent this in the future?
>>97625717I figured it out. I'm gonna buy a champion with Wild Snake and picrel my whole gang next to him
Just learning Necromunda rules. >>97625717that means the team is smaller than 7guys for this to even work and only with really baddice luck? D6+fleehwound+outofaction>initial teamsize?
If I wanted to start playing Necromunda, which box is better; the old starter or the newer Hive Secundus box?
>>97628283Neither is really a good option but hive war would be better (better models and terrain) but both have moreor less useless rulebooks and lock you to the teams inside. buy a core rulebook and a ganger box of the gang of your choice.
>>97628302That sucks. So presumably a new starter will be released soon?
>>97628283The only thing good about those sets are the tokens, templates, barricades and the dice.Everything else is shit.If you have way to get anything of the above mentioned from regular 40k (templates), making your own (tokens/terrain), etc it quickly loses value.With Necroraw there is even less value for the rulebook you can buy, as you can simply print the rules if you want a physical copy.
>>97628346Probably not. Necromunda is notorious for having no real starterbox because it is most of the time more like the seasonal update or a more or less adon you can play without the main game.
Found these Grandcruiser odels. They look better than the GW ones.
>>97628726
>>97628732And a Chaos Grandcruiser model.
>>97628283All rules are on Necroraw or buy the core Rulebook.Buy two gangs you like and the gang books that correspond. also check here https://mega.nz/folder/UvgX3CLB#ArpJzxU-mDimTRKGZ_alXw/folder/s74AVSyBGet a template set off ebay or Etsy. Use this file to make ypur own tokens.https://tcrepo.com/downloads/necromunda-printable-tokens/Build your own terrain. Here's your first project.https://youtu.be/uIMfwD_wPeo?si=WSpzs7oP6tHuw9jn
>>97618337>>97618397Played 2 games against them as wreckas. 50% win rate but the team is hot garbage to play against>Yeah I'm safe here>Charged from the table beside you>Oh well at least they have no shooting>Lmao 2d3+3 on 2" oh and it's a fight action here it comes againAt least they can get shot but still fuck em. Even injured they managed to fuck you up
>>97628726I kinda like the general design, but they have almost as many port and starboard weapons as the Macragge's Honour and FAR more than any class of battleship.
One day we'll get a Haemonculus kill team...
>>97628094A lot of scenarios start you with six guys. This was a multiplayer side game so we started with 3 but rolled d3 for bottle checks. I rolled a six. It makes it kinda goofy for Cawdor because bottle checks go off of your starting crew, not the guys left on the battlefield. So I can have like 17 fucking guys on the battlefield, lose one, and still bottle on a 6 if I started the game with 6
Thinking about picking up my first Kill Team. Either Battleclade because of my fondness for AdMech, or Goremongers who I'm tempted to kitbash into Nurgle cultists using a vast collection of Deathguard and Maggotkin bits I've accrued...
>>97629517Oh i did not know that, sounds harsh.
>>97629249>WreckasI'm so sorry anon. I played Legionaries against them and utterly fucked them up in melee but they just had so many get-out-of-jail-free cards I still got fucking tabled. Like, I want to like them because I love all flavors of Marine, especially Chaos, but fuuuuuuuhuck they're just utterly cruel in design for no reason. And no- not in a "night lords are cruel" way, in a "I don't wanna play against these guys again" way.
I don’t think this should be a place that includes Kill Team. That’s basically just a 40k spinoff and you had your own threads.
>>97629666I agree. Necromunda and Titanicus should also be in the 40k thread, and Warcry should be in the AoS thread. Mordheim should go to the Warhammer Fantasy thread.
>>97629549Battleclade are definitely the more complex option, requiring a lot of forethought and synergy, and recently got a pretty big balance update/reworkGoremongers are the more unga bunga option if you just wanna run forward and hit mans
>>97594495Does anyone have the mega for the Killteam rule books? Was trying to look at some of the first edition books for inspiration.
>>97629510Haemonculus team vs GSC Biophagus aberrant team would be kino, call it tainted flesh or something, mad doctors unleashing their horrible creations on each other
Just some Season Two Sevens today.Bashy team stopped Elves from scoring with a one-die blitz, then marched it down the field with some successful Go For Its, then just caged in the middle for the second half, 0–1.
>>97630051Yeah I'd buy the shit out of that. You can never have too much mad science rep.
>>97630051I've been waiting for a Catachan vs Striking Scorpion one. Like there is even a movie about that.
>>97629394You are right. I fucked up. Thats for a Gloriana class battleship.
>>97630338We already got the scorpion team release with Blades of Khaine, so that ain't happeningPeople have been asking for Catachans for ages thoughPersonally I think a jungle killzone with catachans vs exodites would be the dream
>>97630584I could see Ymgarl Tyranids fitting in nicely there too. They were from a jungle planet too, right?
>>97630876Yeah but (ymgarl) genestealers got a new kit just a few years ago so thats also basically off the table
How would you go about including this model in Necromunda as a ganger?I'm thinking squat ganger statblock, Ironhead shotgun, maybe a giant rat as a pet.
Just getting started with Necromunda. This is my first draft of a list for a dominion campaign. I’ve got the books and trying to figure out the rules. Is this legal?
>>97632352No champ, Cawdor with flamer, hiring bounty hunter at start. 3-man gang. A certified meme classic.
>>97631226There are to many options that would fit. maybe the flimsy delaque cawdor and escher not so much but everything with at least flakarmour, a decent str stat and something like shotgun or handcannon (+exotic beast) would fit. enforcer with doggo, probably the main suspects but goliath should fit good as well. i am not so familiar with ironheads to know what exotic beasts besides those drones they can get (and if those drones rules would fit for that pet). but there is probably a brute/hangeron that fits him (no idea thought).
So they are featuring slaanesh daemonettes in the boltgun 2 game. Do you guys believe that increases the chances on a chaos daemons team (maybe even slaanesh)?
>>97632529daemons are going TOW onlybest you'll get is chaos tech thralls if IW/dark mechanicum get a separate codex
>>97632552>daemons are going TOW only
>>97614328>Finally, is there any specific formula or way of calculating a custom ships point cost?The battlefleet heresy crowd had a custom ship builder that let you go full ham.Have you considered a grand cruiser as a base for your customs? You'd get 4 slots on each side that let you do quite a bit.
>>97632640https://gofile.io/d/FDgFh0And in case you can't find said rules
I've got a grand cruiser I bought like three years ago I built and never painted. Maybe I finally should but I won't, will I?
>>97632420I may be retarded but I’m not memeing. Are those all things I’m not allowed to do?
I miss Warcry...
>>97632843Then play it? What’s stopping you? It’s easier to set up (well maybe the terrain can be a bitch) than most games. Rules are probably the most easiest to remember too.
>>97632552>>97632529Nah I think Daemons will remain in a very limited capacity for each god devoted legion but yeah overall I think they are going to TOW too.
>>97632906That’s like expecting primaris to pop up in Horus heresy.
>>97632884I want new content though.
>>97633000Warcry just got chorf. and they'll get the new mortis unit in the new future.
>>97633022I'm hoping we get some of the new Maggotkin stuff too.
>>97596522>>97596585>>97595204It's unfortunate but Blood Bowl attracts people who like American football but it catfishes them because it's not a game downs like football. The people writing the rules actually are going out of their way to make the game even less like football. Passing has been butchered. They have cut the positional pieces each team can use effectively in half. It's in a really bad state right now. Games workshop is murdering this game.
>>97607340If you have played Goblins or halfings or one of these meme stunty teams and still enjoy the game, I would say you are living your best life because you just don't care about winning. All the agi teams and elf teams have been nurfed with each team losing blitzers or catchers. Now elf teams have very little special about them. Just a bunch of squishy linemen. So while Goblins were bad, you probably were at least having fun. When you play elves you usually don't have fun. You spend most the game with your players on the bench while you are just waiting for the game to be over.
>>97632774I misread you actually had 5 men, but still no champs. If you aren't trying to troll with that list then you must've not read the rule. Champs are needed because they can do post battle action. Most gangs start with 2. Also champs give "group activation", I don't think you need an explanation why it's a good thing to have.You bought 2 flamers on your Cawdor leader? A cheaper Cawdor flamer and a more expensive one from the TP??? Isn't this the most obvious meme/troll move ? Most gangs don't start with flamer because it's too expensive/not fit the gang theme/or they already got better alternative. In the case of Cawdor they got the much cheaper Polearm+Blunderbuss as their flamer alternative.Vandoth is a bounty hunter, a temporary member of the gang that stay for 2-3 game before he left. He's powerful but he's unreliable for your gang developement. If you want a gang with Vandoth as a permanent member play OutcastOutlaw venator, venator's entire gimmick is that they're bounty hunter, and they got lots of credit from selling captive and dead fighters. Making an outlaw venator make them unable to utilize this mechanic.5-men gang is below average for general scenarios. You should check the scenarios being used in your group to determine the average men needed for a gang. 8-9 fighters is the universal number of fighters for a starting gang, for most book scenarios.
Is every Blood Bowl tournament just devolved into resurrection format? Why is blood bowl being made soft?
>>97629699Necromunda is too good for 40k threads
>>97633140Thank you very much! Book of the Outcast is one of the few I don’t have.Is that one floating around by any chance?
>>97633688https://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/gangs/gang-lists/underhive-outcasts/
>>97632352The other Anon was correct. You need more dudes, a couple champs, and drop the expensive hired gun in favour of 3-4 gangers.Are you just trying to create a gang to fit a specific bunch of minis you like? Can we see a pic of them?
>>97633140Speaking of the polebuss, how does that perform in game? I remember a while ago I made a gang list that has 7-8 of them in it but due to personal stuff I never played it. But thinking back now, I feel like stacking 8 of any weapon would be kind of cheesey
Also are the forge world gang head kits not available anymore?
>>97633038So play LRB6 and ignore GW's idiocy
>>97634072It's the only good (and fun) unique weapon they had, and it's the sole reason you play them, you like to burn stuff. Outside of that they had the greatsword, which is not unique, but quite a scary and a bit of a meme weapon. If you want more variety and less spam you had to bring the redemptionists, Redemptionists are half of their assets, because they don't get the usual champ and prospect like other house. If you want to be an autist cawdor purist but don't want fags to nag about "spam" then you just had to settle playing as a discount orlock with shitty autogun and stubgun.
Are there still no complete scans of the bb3s rulebook?I can't seem to find any.
>>97634072>stacking 8 of any weapon would be kind of cheeseyIt's worse than cheesy. It's boring.
>>97632946I get your point but TOW isn’t going to be like HH in that it’s a static setting.
>>97613219Homebreed? I did write some ideas down.Space Marines Squad/Imperial Guard/Chaos Cultists vs Genestealers(+ Genestealer Cult/Ripper Swarm/Mutated)/Chaos Cultists/Space Orcs.
Played a 475 point game of MESBG today as Khazad-Dum. It was To The Death (just kill each other) and I think dwarves are a bit busted. Almost tabled him, he had 2 kataphracts and his named Easterling general left at the end of the game.
>>97594495since ktg seems to be dead I'll ask hereI know the chaos legionary box is out of rotation but is it still "legal" for matched play? I'd love to kitbash a world eaters killteam using it but I don't want a repeat of my hunter clade getting finished a day before they swept away all the compendium teams lmao
>>97636217>is it still "legal" for matched play?Assuming your local game scene isn't official GW tournaments or hypercompetitive shitters, yes it is legal until next edition (likely 2027, based on the 3 year pattern).>my hunter clade getting finished a day before they swept away all the compendium teamsHunter clade isn't a compendium team and is still legal under all the same conditions as legionaries though
The newest addition to my tomb world's painted bits.Next I will finish the walls with 5 guys sitting on them. I'm practically painting an entire kill team just to decorate some of the wall pieces in the set. Looks great when I do finish it though of course.
I completely forgot the defiant cost 120 points not 110 like the others in the endeavor family so now I'm 10 points overbudget.Just how important are carriers in battlefleet gothic? I'm considering just taking one dictator for this fleet and relying on 3 avenger grand cruisers worth of weapon batteries to deal with the shortcomings
Spegs and Sperglings, which version of old Epic is the best? I know most people play the new fanmade version of Epic or LI these days, but me and my mates want to go back and play one of the old ones to experience it and get a taste of a game we never got to play.I think this is the one we should try? Epic from 1997. Beyond a few Firepower Magazines everything seems to be contained to the Army Book so it seems like a "one and done" sorta game which is nice.We would probably want to do Guard or Marines vs Chaos. Is Epic 1997 the best choice for an OG Epic experience, or should we go with Epic Armageddon from 2003, Space Marine from 1989 etc.TIA for any help :)
>>97633894Sorry for the late reply.I had an idea for a gang of outcasts (before I knew that Outcast Gangs were a thing) that follow Vandoth around. They are inspired by an outcast SoB that’s correctly guessed what he is. She is under the delusion that by drinking his blood she can empower herself and others with a fraction of the Emperor’s power and purge the undergone. In truth, she and the others become addicted to his genhanced blood and crave more. They bring in bounties dead, drained of blood, to secure credits to keep themselves armed.Vandoth for his part doesn’t care as long as they help him and don’t get in his way.
Played and won my first game of battlefleet gothic AMA
>>97637901Did you hold hands at some point in the game?
>>97637906Yes, at the end when we shook hands
>>97637910You’re lewd.
>>97637917UwUFaggot
>>97634117I'm guessing that stands for living rulebook? The problem is Blood bowl has always been flawed. It's not a very good game. It just has a strong cult community that won't accept any criticism. I only like it because it's like American football but it plays nothing like american football. The pacing of BlitzBall seems like it might be designed better though. I also was looking at a game called Guild Ball which might be better rules.
>>97637910Do people not shake hands at the end of a game?
>>97638349Some do, some do not. Since the pandemic it got a lot less. But do not worry the whole conversation is just silly funny stuff.
>>97638390I've not encountered a single person who doesn't. In casual or competitive play
>>97636956I think 1997 is universally seen as the worst version of Epic.
>>97638565Well if you initiate it people rarely refuse it. But depending on region it is now way less typical to shake hands over all (in buisness, casual meetups and so on) to not shake hands anymore because of the pandemic. Other regions just do not care.
>>97638655I went out of my way to hug and shake hands during the pandemic.Mostly because retards before that found amusing that I did not like being hug and touched by random people.
>>97639679Sounds like you are an asshole and idiot.
>>97638077I'm new to tabletop and blood bowl has easily been the best game I've played and one that I look forward to continue playing
>>97636956Your picrel is shit. Imagine the 3ed streamlining except done twice as hard, washing out any flavor in the process.Your options are:Classic Epics:>Space Marine - the classic granular one, "40k but on a larger scale", fun but janky>Epic 40k (your pic) - super streamlined play but fun is goneNew Epics:>NetEpic - fan-updated version most similar to Space Marine>Epic Armageddon - like someone took Epic 40k and dialed it back to sane levels, so they kept some streamlining mechanics, but you actually had varied units and weapons back. Was pretty well received.The last two at some point either merged, or someone made a new version containing both, called NetEA. Seems closer to EA than NetE, but I stopped paying attention at this point so I can't tell you much about it.
>>97640539Never knew that it transformed that much. How does Aeronautica Imperialis fit into that?
>>97642059It doesn't IIRC, it's a separate game that happens to have the same units. Think mainline 40k vs Kill Team.
>>97642059Aeronautica Imperialis is a game about predicting your oppponent next move, aircraft knowledge and how to abuse the shit out it. For example if you play as Eldar against your opponent's Valkyrie. You can stay at attitude 9 and be completely safe against the shitty Valkyrie because it can only stay at attitude 7 and in the game you can only shoot at 1 attitude below or above. Or a more nimble aircraft can turn better than a sluggish bomber.GW made a 2nd edition of Aeronautica and throw all of that out of the window. Max attitude is now 5 and play area is on much smaller hex board instead of any board, there're really nowhere to run. All aircrafts can turn with ease now, and "ground-only" rule for a lot of close air support weapons were removed, making them the deadliest dogfight weapons, because insane firepower. So really the game is just a dice rolling simulator.The worst cardinal sins any warhammer game can get is a failed 10 second google search (or just copy paste from old edition) to get the info correct, and the writer for the reboot edition did it, so many shits are wrong, at the end of the game's run they don't even care any more and put the pictures of the aircraft wrong too. Funny because a nerd with no google and wikis make all the plane specs correct in original AI, down to autistic details.
>>97639679Based.At the time people would have screamed burning hindsight it was the smart play
>>97637499Yeah, that's a solid Outcast backstory. Beast of a leader, 2 good champs, and a horde of mooks.
>>97640539Honestly Epic Space Marine was fine when it was just the box set. The problems crept in when the expansions had to add special rules for every other unit. So instead of just squaring off and rolling dice, the ork player would be rolling on a chart to see how far the lifta-droppa moved a land raider before dropping it, or tracing line of sight to determine where a shot bounced off a forcefield and the imperial player would be tracking plasma dice for his Imperator titan.
>>97640231Okay just wait until you get the dice burn out. You will hate blood bowl, trust me. You will realize it's a chore, not having fun.
Are the Treachery of Gollum scenarios any good? Anyone have the book?
>>97594772I like Armageddon, it's the strongest imperial fleet imo. For every light cruiser you get a battle cruiser. Pairing a reserved in mechanicus endeavor with an Armageddon is stronk. Can throw in a few excellent marine escorts or strike cruisers.
>>97636752I'm currently painting this terrain set but gonna do it in black/silver. Didn't think it through with black primer first though.
>>97643178What exactly are you complaining about? That you can get fucked by the dice? That's the reason for rerolls, good positioning, making riskier rolls/blocks last and, most importantly, part of the fun
>>97643341>I like Armageddon, it's the strongest imperial fleet imo.WAACfaggotry.
Anyone here play Nurgle cultists in Necromunda? What would you say the best kits to buy for kitbashing Nurgle gangers would be?
>another battle, another three dead gangersI'm running out of "if it doesn't hurt it doesn't count", flock
>>97594772I dont play sector fleet. Every class can be used in any sector.
>>97645641Beside Outcast Mutants and using the poxwalker models?
>>97645999Yes.
>>97645641pox walkers + hive scum/any gang box. Just add nurgly bits to some cawdor, Orlock, whatever and youre good to go.
>>97645641The best kit to buy is the old Putrid Blightking. They're great at presenting the "Vast Bulk" mutation. Now the kit is retired there other option like Blood Bowl nurgle, lord of plague (the most converted warhammer model in history). For the smaller guy use poxwalker, pox wretches, vox shambler. blood bowl nurgle.There're also rotmire creed and the accursed cultists, i don't like these.
>>97647771Much appreciated! I've got a bunch of Poxwalkers hanging around still on sprues and Poxwretch parts left over from Darkwater.I think my LGS has a box of the old Blightkings so I'll check that out.
new to necromunda and building my goliathsare there any females goliaths in lore? found a group of them i quite like, but trying to stick to the setting at least for my first crew. i didnt see anything for or against in the book but the official box is just dudes.
>>97648018>are there any females goliaths>official box is just dudesYes, one of the forgeborn is female. If you're new to GW, they rarely made feminine characters, their "female" are usually androgynous, or fat.
>>97648081usually they at least vaguely look female. you telling me thats a woman and i still dont see it.even for gw thats bad. but good news for me. ty
Was there ever official models for the space hulks in Battlefleet Gothic?
>>97645641If it weren't so hard to get. Gellarpox infected from kill team.
Starting Necromunda/a Cawdor gang and have a few questions for you NecrochadsFor lawful/outlaw, does that just determine your hired guns and hangers on and help/hurt rarity rolls on some shop items?I'm torn between going more Redemptionist to get the Hive Preacher or more Cawdor to kitbash a sweet gothic ambot maybe get the executioner (is he/are hired guns worth it?)Also looking for input on Stig Shambler, because that model is awesome
>>97636956>>97640539so generally speaking the minis can be used across all editions.the ones you're most likely to be able to find opponents for are either Legions Imperialis, if it's a GW store or mostly young/newer players since it's the official one, or Epic Armageddon aka 4th if it's a slightly older group (usually the crowd favorite, and the one 95% of the community was playing for the 20 years before LI dropped).>tp.net-armageddon.org/>epic-uk.co.uk/wp/army-lists/after that, there's a relatively small but extremely die hard cult following for the community maintained successor to 2nd ed, net epic gold. this also has seen a recent influx of players since its got almost the same core rules as legions imperialis,but with more lists and GWs not actively fucking it up.>https://netepic.org/core-rules/There's also very (very) small active communities for Epic 40,000 (3rd) and for the original AT / space marine, but they're more like historical oddities at this point. AT got a relaunch in 2018 which was a rare example of modern GW not shitting the bed, so most people play that. Epic 40k was a very streamlined / high level version of the game that most anons don't like, but it's also got its die-hards. it's the best edition for running very large battles, so there's that.>what about aeronauticait uses the same planes, but it's a different game. the original version was a rework of wings of glory by FW in the 00s, done alongside the IA books. it got a rerelease a couple years ago as a half-assed hybrid boardgame with hex movement.>what about minisGWs lines for LI, AT and AI are all mostly compatible. they changed the scale by about 25% vs the old stuff, except titans which got way bigger. there's also 40,000 options for forumware, 3rd party, 3D prints, etc. basically any unit in the 40k universe you've got about a dozen options for. the official GW stuff doesn't support most of them of course, while the community ones have tons of lists and options.
>>97648787Cannot have Stig as outlaw, outlaw also can't sell captive or claim bounty, and they had bounty so dead fighters give credit to opponents. Also there aren't much choice for alliance and hired guns as outlaw.>HeadsmanHe's a great distraction carnifex for cawdor, he's very fast with his article of faith, and he has a scaryy weapon. But he's terrible at fighting because -1 to hit.>StigHe's not great, you had to get a bunch of BS advancements and shooting skill on him for him to be useful, and even then his shitty armor would make him a liability in the long run. Good news is that unlike a hired gun, he's a juicy target because he can be captured and sold for hefty sum of credits, so he'll be better at attracting attention from your opponent than the Headsman. Also he got really dogshit mental stat so he's weak to any cheese that involve these stat like fear or insanity. It's a complete meme fighter. But don't be discourage to play him though, just manage your expectation.
>>97648018There couldn't be any Natborn without females lad>>97648262Its a woman but it is still a goliath, you've seen how bad normal human women start to look if they go too hard on androgenic compounds
>>97608962You need some air cover. I'd go for a Dic or two, and in a big game try to squeeze in an Emperor or an Exorcist (Assault boats are better than you think). There's a reason the Mars is the go-to flotilla commander for everyone who can get it, though. She's a hell of a ship. I personally use an Exorcist just because I like the model. After that it's mostly a matter of picking out stuff you like the look of. It's genuinely hard to fuck up an Imp list. >one Defiant>air coverThey really don't have enough launch capacity for that. You're better off using something like Falchions or Cobras to spam small torpedo salvoes to strip fighters off of the ordnance counters, detonate torps, and pray it's enough. Or run torpedo-heavy Bakka, they can get 4 turrets on capital ships.>>97614328All the points were ballparked and then dialed in with playtesting. The ballparking formula is really damn old, Anon already posted it.>>97648482>Was there ever official models for the space hulks in Battlefleet Gothic?No, they're meant to be kitbashed out of failed casts, bits, and wads of foam. There are build articles in Warp Storm and the old BFG magazine
>>97648794>so generally speaking the minis can be used across all editionsPretty much. Bases differ (20x20mm old epic, 40x10mm epic 40k, some people use flat 25mm), but as long as they're about the same size few people will complain. The only place it might be a problem is Aeronautica since it might be a different scale/style so check it before committing. That does NOT include legiones imperialis, they're noticeably bigger and with enough size difference that you should assume they'll be "with opponent's permission only" - some will still allow that because any Epic player in a drought etc., but just rolling in and assuming everyone'll be OK with it is a quick way to get branded an asshole.
>>97649785>they're meant to be kitbashed out of failed casts, bits, and wads of foamWhat poorfaggotry is it!? Actuall hobbying in my hobby? Well I never!- modern GW, probably
>>97649283Thanks, king. It seems like the Hive Preacher is great but not good enough to go heavy Redemptionist to get outlawSad that Stig is pretty shit. I didn't even think about the cover rule basically bringing him to a 6+ many times. I guess the alternative is put a heavy flamer on him, but he's too slow and vulnerableAny thoughts on greatsword Cawdor brethren? I might make one or two for the lulz
>>97650931Greatswords are cool >>97634123Stig stubber is actually really scary because its D2 instead of D1 like a normal stubber. Heavy Flamer sucks and is a complete waste of money, unless you can get Infiltrate skill, but then mowing down people with stubber would still be better in that case.The most fun modelling practice for Cawdor is to make your own Pole Buss. A shotgun with a blade, then some wiring to the trigger.
>>97648624Are you kidding? Most of the team are large ogryn sized or small pet size. There's only like 3 normal sized dudes. Maybe poxwalkers might be better? Or kitbash with some Old World/AoS boxes?
>>97645641The new Pox-wretches seem like they could be a good choice maybe
>>97650171you'll only get that in one direction. the red shirts and other GW store guys will bitch about you using older epic stuff. and yeah, the newer Titanicus and Aeronautica have their bespoke bases and widgets.but nobody in the older, broader epic community is going to give a shit about you using minis from the newer games. it's exceptionally common.
>>97628283Hive War, comes with diet rules for all six house gangs
>>97652736You are supposed to use them as bits not as is. Having a bit of size variety can be a good thing, There are not many but they are not fantasy have good variety of mutations and the pets are good pets or cosmetics. it is not much but good stuff.
>>97650171>Bases differ (20x20mm old epic, 40x10mm epic 40k, some people use flat 25mm)the ones with base sizes where the rules care:- legions imperialis: 25mm rounds for infantry, no base for tanks- titanicus: 40s and 50s for knights, 60mm for scout titans, ovals for big titans- new aeronautica: hex bases with little dialsnone of the other ones really care. the rules for base sizes in EA are>A stand may be no more than 40mm and no less than 5mm across in any direction.>A stand must be at least 20mm across in one direction (i.e., a 5mm by 5mm stand is not allowed, but a 5mm by 20mm stand would be okay).>Stands representing infantry units must have at least three infantry models and may not have more than seven.>Infantry mounted on bikes or horses must have between two and four models mounted on each base.>Stands representing artillery must have between one and two artillery pieces and up to six crew models.the old official bases were 20x20 squares or 12x40 sticks. but you can use whatever. a lot of people use 25mm squares or 25mm - 30mm round. you just want them to be thinner ones. a huge lip like bases on big models will look weird.
Does this scale look right for Necromunda? I know Vandoth is really stooped over but I’m not sure. The model on the right is 28mm that I scaled up 114% to be 32mm scale
>>97654665Look a bit tall but shouldn't be a problem. GW's human different wildly depend on kits
>>97654665Not scaling up seems better but seriously, in necromunda it is not that important. Google Vandoch with pictures of him and others and you see the scale, even hunched over he should be a bit bigger.
>have one 'munda gang, cops>seems like the norm is to have a few guys for multiple gangs>most of the 'munda guys at the LGS have one of every gang>just want to keep kitbashing more copsAt some point I'll have one of every loadout and I can fully WYSIWYG
>>97655871same 2bh, I have a delaque gang but I mainly just make unlimited goliaths with every novelty loadout I can think of
>>97654665Seems big, my Escher (who are supposed to be very tall girls) have the same stance as your helmeted dude but on a 25mm base.
>>97655871Is your main gang not 30 units from the start?!
Anyone got a lead on corpse grinder cult STLs? I’m able to find a few factions but not theirs
>>97656313Got goliaths or nomads?
Anyone got any pictures of undead ships for Man o War? I'm gonna try to scratch build a fleet and I would like inspiration
>>97657054Mantic do a great range of fleets and they are available in STL format so you can modify as you like.
Man, the 40k-ification of mesbg did a number on its community.
>>97658072It revitalized our area (allegedly). I joined in to a slow grow this year and the guys organizing it said they were shocked at how many people signed up this year vs last year including new players. I am one of those new players.
>>97658072Basically no one plays it near me, but when I can convince other people to play it I use the 2018 rules, what's it like in places where the game is more active?
>>97658072I kinda encouraged it dying in my scene with the changes. I’m glad we moved onto other better games now.
>>97658072How was it 40kified exactly? I’m not aware of any major changes.
>>97604795> How do you keep them fairLmao you don't. First time playing?Once one warband gets an early lead you snowball your way to victory. Same in most campaigns like this, honestly.
>>97636956Epic Armageddon is the best choice
>>97659214>Same in most campaigns like this, honestly.Seen a lot of catch up mechanics, but are there house rules / any games with mechanics that slow down the lead player(s) to keep them from snowballing?First thing that popped into my head was flipping the Rep bonus at the Trade Post in NM to a penalty. Arms dealers are scared off by your reputation or something.
>>97658072this is why you play old edition
>>97604795>How do you keep games of Mordheim fair?Sometimes they're just not and that's part of the fun. One warband becomes legendary and the other warbands shit themselves when it's time to fight them.One way to fix this is to have wyrdstone decide who's the winner- either see who has the most saved wyrdstone at the end of the campaign, or let players invest wyrdstone into significant bonuses for the final, campaign-ending free for all game. This means that players really need to decide when to get new gear and warband members versus when to save their wyrdstone for the campaign's end. Kind of sounds like you guys haven't set up the campaign like that, so that may not work in your situation. An alternative is to let two weaker warbands gang up on or ambush a stronger one to make it a more entertaining fight. One last way to make the game more entertaining is to be silly, take risks or roleplay mad characters. Show the other player a good time, be good-natured and easygoing and put yourself in more situations where the dice decide. If you're not leaping off buildings for combat bonuses, jumping from roof to roof or roleplaying your fighters settling old grudges via ill-judged duels, is it even really Mordheim?
>>97660727>Sometimes they're just not and that's part of the funYeah, getting your shit pushed in week after week without the tools to stand a chance is great narrative fun.I'm interested in checking out Necromunda. That seems to give players more tools to counter and more depth to gang building
>>97661458LMAO have fun with the exact same thing given that you'll only find people playing Venators, Enforcers or CGC.
>>97661836Are you telling me that blood bowl is the only good game GW has made?
>>97662001Yes, and not any version touched by GW while we're at it.If you want fun, play community rules. If you want constantly changing unbalanced pay-to-win Meta, play GW.
>>97604795>>97662001The players are the one keeping the game fair. You control the units, knowledge of what's good is important, and losing isn't a bad thing.These are the rite of passage to the games, you're unlikely to stick to it if you can't take it. Both Mordheim and Necromunda are more like an immersive adventure than a tactical wargame.
>>97661836My local group bans Venators (bookkeeping nightmare) and CGC (terrible balance) but we haven't had any problems with cops yet. What's their deal?
Thoughts on the turret-less Tauros Venator conversion? Considering doing something similar for my Enforcers (without the IG, of course)
>>97662624Enforcers are fine rulewise. It's just the players that are kinda cringey, and that's still fine, but then you had 2,3 of the same players show up. Because Enforcer is the most popular faction in the game, and each of them had the same mindset that they're the special one for picking enforcer. You should probably ask them if their favorite movie is Dredd 2012 too.
>>97662684>Because Enforcer is the most popular faction in the gameSauce? I've been curious about the most popular gangs
>>97663033....Cops aren't a gang, they're cops.
>>97662624A guy at my LGS ran them with shields and concussion rifles, so almost every one of them had a blast template plus good armour saves to boot. Also used a ton of flash grenades so that he could try and rush in and cuff your guys which is pretty cop-like but usually not fun to go up against.
Can anyone point me to the 2023 core rulebook? Found the relevant rule on necroraw but I want to screencap the page to send to my buddy
>>97663033They're the most requested for a release, like almost every social media Necro post has to have this 1 dude coming in and ask "When's arbites?". "Dark Uprising" got made as a result. They had the most amount of releases than any other gangs, even had their own Alliance in plastic. If they weren't selling well why would GW make more? Even in these threads people who want to start out as Enforcers way outnumbered any other gangs.If you're looking for reason why , it's pop culture + old fags keep spinning tall tales about the boogey man polices when anyone ask them about the old Necromunda, but you can't blame them because the brilliant rule writers made sure the oddballs gang had the most interesting rules while the clan houses are just fillers.
>>97662624One player being the cops is fine, our campaigns usually have one, but multiple cops showing up it doesn't make much narrative sense and gets kinda dumb.The fact that they are essentially part of a standardized force in masks and a uniform also leaves less room for them to become your guys and makes them less fun to fight against imo. Its a lot more fun to shoot a unique looking mini called "Rippy Rob" in the spine and maim him than it is to shoot what is basically "faceless officer with boltgun #3"
>>97663033To be frank they are the most warhammer like guys besides CGC, easyest to paint thanks to the cool armour, lite rules with auto recruits n mesch for everyone (and i think the bolter design is the coolest in the game). Makes them easy beginner team and hit a design spot the other teams just do not hit.
>>97662684My group everyone tends to alternate gangs, so this campaigns cops played normal gangs last campaign.Most of us seem to alternate gangs between campaigns besides the newbies who will tend to play the same gang type for a few campaigns before branching out
>>97663372What rule?
>>97665204We specifically weren't sure if you can charge a target beyond the Visibility distance, and under what circumstances you apply the Ash Waste Battles rules (all "Ash Waste" battles or just in an Ash Wastes campaign?).Necroraw says these are under "Scenario Rules" on p190. If anyone can post a screencap of that page or the one after, wherever those rules appear, I would appreciate it.
Had a wonderful game yesterday evening. This Deathwatch Marksman on vantage intrupted (guard) my Vespid Longsting after a reposition. The injured Vespid was now down to 1 wound and countersniped with 3 devastating crits, and took him off the board.
>>97659035Removal of options for "game balance", a rewriting of scenarios for legalese scoring nonsense, and of course the "thinning of datasheets".
Why is Troon Team posting here.Go to your own general.
"Tournament" tomorrow for meThough it's really more of a full day event using a tournament format for convenience. It's going to use the Joint Ops team selection style, where we play in teams of 2 against each other, and all maps are using the Descent killzone type from the new box. Should be a lot of fun. I had my teammate switched in the last 2 days because of a sudden emergency, so I'll be running legionaries (proxied with loyalist marines) alongside a vetguard team played by a new guy.I also designed and am bringing the terrain for one of the maps, which should be interesting to see. The upper level has a "ancient ruins" type feel, and then the bottom floor has a lot of focus on an entirely enclosed tomb room with a lot of roundabout ways in. Chaotic hopefully.
>>97667307Yeah they removed options that had to be converted on. Idk about scenarios and the thinning of data sheets was a good thing imo considering there’s over 100 different army lists you can run in the new edition. The core rules are the same as they were 25 years ago. 40k doesn’t resemble or play like it did 25 years ago. This is a bad comparison.
>>97665783Not on that page.We have played it like charging from non visibility in the Underhive. So -1 to hit but yes you can
>>97668924A good day with a great last game that saw my Dark Angels successors (and their guard entourage) face off against Space Wolf successors working with Sororitas. Had a big, honourable fight between the two marine team leaders (Legionary Chosen for my guy, Wolf Scouts Pack Leader for his) which the Fenrisian only won because of sheer willpower. And then the Angels came in from behind to finish the job, because they had been tactically outmaneuvering the wolves and weren't above reclaiming their honour through more practical methods. Turned out the game was then decided by the very last shot, which secured my team the win that game.
Squadroning vs not squadroning capital ships in battlefleet gothic, are there any rules of thumb as to when one should or should not? Namely for imperial navy
Necromunda house specific weapons like the escher wyld bow, can only be used by escher? i mean, there is no official way to use it with other gangs ever or is it more like you cannot have it right away but later on?
>>97674588Correct unless it is also on the trading post.
>>97674593>unless it is also on the trading postif i look at the trading post summary online the bow is in it with the comment *escher only, so i guess that means it is normaly not in the trading post?
>>97674612Yeah then you can't buy it .Unless you go Venator
>>97674810Okay. Thanks.
>>97673819Squadroning does a lot of useful things>LDShare Leadership with a carrier without putting your Admiral on the highest-priority target. In general, you can make up for a ship that rolled dogshit LD. The only downside is that *all* the ships share orders. It's not like most Imperial cruisers don't like Reload Ordnance or BFI. And remember that the instant you fail an Orders check, you're done for the turn. The fewer rolls you have to take, the more your re-rolls matter and the less likely you are to blow a critical one. >Weapons sharingYou have multiple ships with fat battery racks and only a few lances. Congratulations, you're now rolling all your battery dice at once instead of one ship getting a clean shot and everyone else firing through his blast markers>Forced target prioritySick of your Mars getting raped every time you stick your nose out? Put an Endeavour in-between it and the enemy. Doesn't work with mixed armor values, unfortunately. I also squad up Endeavours or Endurances with my Exorcist, Oberon, and/or Emperor for some cheap extra punch. They're good for sniping off torpedoes, hanging back to chase off Escorts, or boosting forward to add on a little more punch and protection against enemy gun battleships and heavy cruisers.>ordnanceYou need to stack up a fat wave of torps or bombers? If your opponent doesn't have Nova cannon or a Planet Destroyer, guess what? You can also mass turrets against Hail Mary torpedo waves, but being in base-to-base means you share blast markers. Not a good idea if you're in gun range. So typically you squadron ships for protection, to cover for bad LD, or to mass up batteries. Slinging FP12 and quad lances from a pair of Lunars on Lock On is a hell of a lot more likely to wound something then sending them separately. I find that squadrons over 2-3 cruisers get extremely unweildy, however.
>>97674588>>97674810Venator gang legacy are limited to the gang's leader's equipment lead. I.e you can't buy Wyld Bow as Venator.
>Kill Team - a terrible game since 2021 - became so bad it killed /ktg/But how could this happen? Anons in /ktg/ assured me that Bespoke Teams™ are what people really want. Underprinting FOMO boxes was supposed to prevent pay-to-win since if 99% of people are not able to buy new teams, they won't have any impact on the meta lmao. Was basing the whole business model on a whim of secondary paypiggy zoomers not a great idea after all?
HE blood bowl team next week. If I already own the elven union team, should I even bother?
>>97676544High Elves are a different team than Elven Union. That's like saying you have Elven Union and asking if you should skip Wood Elves or Dark Elves for a different play experience.
I wish the new BB videogame adaptation wasn't ass.There is zero local bloodbowl scene. The only game shop in town doesnt even stock it anymore.
>>97676909FUMBBL
>>97676921Is FUMBBL still following the real BB rules or have they switched to the current edition? I don't want to play NuBowl.
>>97677154The new season fixes passing and you don't like it? Let me guess, you play Dwarfs.
>>97677162It didn't bother me for over a decade so no, I don't care.>Let me guess, you play Dwarfs.Chaos Chosen.
>>97677154IIRC you can blackbox LRB6, but i havent looked in some time
>>97677205You don't play a passing team so of course it doesn't bother you. Also Season 2 isn't a decade old.
>>97677217>You don't play a passing team so of course it doesn't bother youI play multiple Teams, I simply main Chaos Chosen. My other Teams of choice are respectively OWA, Skaven and Nurgle.>Also Season 2 isn't a decade old.Yeah but I play for 14 years now and it never bothered me.
>>97675985Oh lame.
>>97676544>HE blood bowl team next week.Funny, I could swear I've been playing High Elves for over a decade already.
>>97673819>>97675102Grouping anything bigger than a light cruiser feels weird. And i suggest that torpedos and ordnance still gets positions like solo cruisers. It doesnt makes sense that all torpedos line up without a gap.
>>97679742All salvos use the same size marker regardless of strength now, so an S12 salvo is the same size as a one or a six.>feels weirdI mean it's in the blue-book examples, and if you've done any kind of naval game or historical research at all it's perfectly normal. Problem's more you than the game.
Does anyone have some advice on how to play gnomes more effectively? I might be more used to how other stunty teams operate, but gnomes seem to be harder for me to learn due to the lack of dodge and halfling chefs or bribes.
>>97676509Ngl I boughted 8 Blooded killteams and I haven't even thought about playing the game
>>97667313The Kill Team guys are posting AARs, pics and discussion of games. That's a much better contribution than the people who bitch about them.What's your favorite Necromunda scenario, Scummers? I think Gunk Tank was my favorite so far, with Escape The Pit a close second. Im running a very casual style of campaign, so any scenario that can be easily converted to 3+ players is a top pick
>>97679827For me the option to put ships into a squadron sounds something you do for escorts and unit heavy things. So you can move and play them quicker. Cruisers and bigger are just like hero units. Soit just feels like they should be solo miniatures.
>>97680560I love Ghast Harvest and Meat!
>>97680560>>97680656I haven't played many but from those i played Meat! was my favourite.
>>97680711Meats great but I did find it took forever due to the mount of book-keeping needed>>97680560Murder Cyborg
>>97679827Outside of hunting old ships on eBay.Any stl?I found some stl for nid ships and for some reason some of them have more holes and a syrian kid and everything is missing something.Like Big ship, cruiser, light cruiser, escorts. Something is always missing.
>>97679951I bought two boxes of Raptors from LGS since I noticed they are sold out online on GW store. I want to build them as Murderwing with extra bodies despite not playing the game in ages. I wonder if it is as bad as the KT21. Perhaps I will finally have a reason to catch up with the local Warhammer players.
>>97681958Murderwing used the new raptor kit, which has the possessed raptor with mutated arm, a raptor with a glaive, and a 2 handed chainaxe. Also come with a Chaos Lord Raptor. So you'll need to find the extra bits to convert your old raptors.
>>97682241>Murderwing used the new raptor kitI know buddy.>possessed raptor with mutated armNot a problem, I have a big bag of bits after building 8 Chaos Spawns.>a raptor with a glaiveUm acthually, it's a Power Weapon© so Power Maul or Power Sword will do well.>a 2 handed chainaxeNot a biggie, I have plenty of leftover chainaxes.Buying into pre-8E CSM years ago when everyone was selling their old minis for cents turned out to be a great idea.
Anyone got that kill team teams comparison image most recent version? Can't find it
>>97682529Unfortunately there is no recent version since there is no one left to make one. The game is dead with Shadowhunt fiasco (not enough boxes printed, GW failing to deliver boxes to dozens of stores across the world) being the final nail in the coffin.
>>97682566Damn but also all the teams I want are out already and there's plenty of mission variants and they're great(for GW rules)
I had this dumbass poorhammer idea for kill team tomb world/boarding combat. They're basically 2D maps so I could just print them on A2 or whatever paper right? Obviously it'd would look kinda shit but maybe I'd figure out a way to cheapo the walls too. Am I cooking or being retarded?
>>97682605People are doing it often for other games so I see no reason for not doing so if your budget is tight. Personally, if you like to play with a lot of scenery pieces but you can't afford buying it, saving enough money for buying an A1 Mini printer is the best choice. FDM printing is such a brainlet hobby, literally plug and play.
>>97682605Yes GW been doing it since the 80s.
>>97682628To be honest I'm split, I want cool looking terrain but the close quarters stuff is pretty inflexible outside of KT and I guess RPG scenarios you could come up with. Seems like a waste of limited space in my place (even though the boarding terrain does look great)
>>97682688What about magnet toys? You can get them cheap in aliexpress or second hand stores. How much details and texture is up to you, but too much texture and it can affect the easy storage.
>>97682529Right, it hasn't been added to the OP has it. Here's the link, but it doesn't have Shadowhunt yet. I've been busy (and will be for another week).
