Previous: >>97587605Insert Coin Edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: A key card is banned in your favorite deck. What do you replace it with?
>TQ:Basic forest.
blue is for gays
>>97596177Forgot your AI Korean chick webm
spelltable player crashed the fuck out when i bolted this with its ability on the stack, saying it already has the keywords
>>97596161ChatGPT-ass TQ when these impotent regulators can't ban shit. They can't even decide if Deflecting Swat should be a GC.
>>97596189There IS a point of no return, but it's after the ability starts resolving. Since it's all one ability, once the counters actually start to go on, there's no room to respond until all of it has played out. Their mistake is that it says "when it enters PUT the counters on things" rather than being an effect where the card itself ENTERS with things. Its ability lets other cards be chosen, so it has to be written this way, and it's slow enough to be reacted to.
>>97596217TQs shouldn't even be a thing/
>>97596189>he didn't just flicker itwhat a noob
>>97596161There are no key cards in my favorite deck, it's big dumb gruel stompy and every card is interchangeable. Ramp, huge creatures, even the commander doesn't matter that much.
>>97596222You didn't even fucking try you lazy piece of shit.
>>97596161>TQ: A key card is banned in your favorite deck. What do you replace it with?Banned? I don't know what that word means.
>>97596161What a stupid TQ. I don't even think about potential bans in my modern Yugioh decks and that's a game where you're always like two months away from your best cards being banned if they're top of the meta. I don't know, I guess I'll play some other mana rock or a ritual if Sol Ring gets banned. Or put in the hundredth card that ended up in the cut list when I built it. But what if Abzan Falconer gets banned? Oh no I have to find a new card that gives my shit evasion.
>>97596161I play pretty low bracket decks, so the only "key" cards are the commanders themselves. This TQ doesn't really work for me.
>>97596300Alt TQ: Are you a turtle and do you eat pizza?
>>97596300Expecting people to come up with dumb questions in order to keep the thread from image capping makes you a dumb fuck.
>>97596307It's insanely easy to come up with a good question.
>POV: you're playing blue
>>97596305>>97596307OP seething that nobody liked his shitty TQ>Durr what would happen if they banned the best card in your deck?>In a format defined by having redundancy in your deck via multiple cards that do the same thingActual GenAI thought process. Fucking cEDH decks wouldn't be impacted losing Rhystic Study.
>>97596355I want to move away from blue but a lot of commanders I like happen to have blue in their identity.
I think this is the most visually unappealing set I've ever seen. I'm getting a headache just looking through this shit.>dozens of cards have similar names (Leonardo, Leader - Leonardo's Technique - Leonardo and Quincy Adams - etc etc)>every card is busy as fuck with no intuitive artwork, just ninja turtles or furries in a random scene with pizza >the art palettes are similar regardless of color, full of purple and pink and blue making it obnoxious to try and tell what card is which from across the table
>>97596161Burning Inquiry. Fuck you I'm ruining everybody's hand.
>>97596355Jokes on you. I'm into SPH and I play blue exclusively.
>>97596369you are not the target demographic
>>97596380I LOVE Burning Inquiry.
>>97596369>I think this is the most visually unappealing set I've ever seen.This but basically anything before 1997. Like most sets before then were just hideous. And not just hideous because of subject but literally bad art with bad anatomy and design. Almost no card from then looks good.
>>97596388Magic players should be the target demographic of Magic sets. Especially when it's a Standard set and not a secret lair or bundle of precons.
>>97596401You aren't a magic player though. You just go online and bitch about it and never play it.
>>97596369>>dozens of cards have similar names (Leonardo, Leader - Leonardo's Technique - Leonardo and Quincy Adams - etc etc)Shut the fuck up. NONE of you took issue with this shit when it was avatar.
>>97596400Huh?
>>97596406This is cope.
>>97596415did he have a flesh wall fetish
>>97596424Turns out, I'm not the only one. Nice.
>>97596415Magic flavor text today:>TONGUE ON YOUR->AAAHAHH>-RIGHT...
Now THIS is some good art
>>97596440Oh god, dont remind me.
>>97596412I did.
I cannot wait to send people into a seething rage with my 50% TMNT deck.You ever seen a turtle get down?
>guy who is ahead plays farewell, and responds to it holding prio to cast tefari's protection >Blue player doesn't respond.>Everyone just loses their stuff turn passes to me>"Guess I'll replay my commander">Blue fag counters my commander.>He had a counter that could have stopped the farewell player from nuking our boards or ensured it was symmetrical.>Decided to counter my commander instead.I don't know how to not be mad in the response
>>97596400Appealing art didn't begin until anime was invented. W*stoids just don't get it!
>>97596541they just wanted the game to end anon
>>97596541Why? Obviously your commander was more important than the board being leveled symmetrically with a key card being gone, whereas countering your commander took you out of the game and was the smart play. Dont hate the player.
>>97596549Then scoop or don't play at all.
>>97596541those kinds of players have hot takes about commander that they demand be taken seriously btw
>>97596560Commander player reading comprehension
>>97596584Anon, as a commander player, you shouldnt be making "hot takes". Buddy used 9 mana to do a silly, fiddly combo that didnt win the game. Obviously he sucks. What else was on the board? I can think of quite a few reasons that course of actions was fairly reasonable, despite you being incredulous and bad.
>>97596617Can't imagine many decks that will be just okay losing all of their boards and graveyard against an already ahead board state and think a single commander without any possible set-up or engines anymore would be more threatening than a full board that is still alive and was just cleared so they could win on their next turn.
>>97596660Do you really want me to ask all the details of what's on everyone's board and what were they playing, or are you willing to accept you're mad because bad? Because right now it sounds like mad because bad due to you missing something.
>>97596694Not even that anon, just calling you on your non-sense.Name a scenario where you are correct.
>buy a Karlov Manor prerelease box today>pull a Raucous Theater and Delney, who i could trade for Agadeem's AwakeningMy vampires are eating good today :3
>>97596560>>97596617Truly a terrifying commander that must be stopped over a farewell.
>>97596712>3rd opponent has rule of law/null rod/tsabo's web/back to basics/vexing bauble and you cant deal with it, or there were multiple hate pieces stopping him from doing something>the teferi's protection farewell guy is setting himself up to be blown out to an answer after shooting his wad>noble pure omega right greatest magic player ever anon was playing a commander that's a hatebear, something that scales quickly, or something that would benefitted by whatever the counterspell player was going to do>it was extremely hilarious to watch omega pure anon tilt off in a game that was reasonably over already, and one counterspell was going to drain 2 additional hours of your life
>>97596712White player controls no permanents.Commander is Atraxa, Grand Unifier.
>>97596750This is more plausible than >>97596749
>>97596733Oh. You're new, bad, and an idiot. That card reads "draw your deck out of nowhere, I am a combo commander".
>>97596761>He said this>With all seriousnessBlue players are just this sad and pathetic.He made a bad play, a play (you) clearly make often.
>make deck>it cannot really get going until turn 4ish>shelf it because this is unplayable in my podSucks.
>>97596767Hey, hey anon. Do you realize how easy it is to make 10 billion +1/+1 counters with 2 or 3 cards? Evidentally not, because you have never thought about it.
you're all retarded and gay
>>97596799I believe yaBUT ME TOMMYCAT DON'T
>>97596807In response I flash in a fucking gun.
Should I be using a bunch of "make a token at upkeep" shit with him to ensure his shit goes off at beginning of turn/before combat? Partnering with Mikey (makes a food token after combat)
>No card with the best TMNT movie line "Remind me to drop a line to Ralph Nader!">No reprint of Damn using a picture of Raphael yelling toward the sky.Massive misses
>>97596815yesmikey is the recommended partner in the precon yes
>>97596815Why would you play this?
>>97596733Fucking hideous art
What's the most fun spellslinger commander?I was looking at this guy just for some early game ramp, I don't really want a combo-piece type of commander.
>>97596854This is one of the most unfun commanders to play and also has awful fucking art and is UB trash
>>97596815I don't think there's any partner from this set that would make me say "I'd rather play leo than urtet for a go wide token spam deck,:" the keyword soup can come from be just playing Akroma's will and ending it then and there.
>>97596849It's a gross goblin with blight, what did you expect?
>>97596857What the fuck does that have to do with the question you fucking golem? You absolute fucking homunculus of a being?
>>97596777>Hmm yes I'll lose the game on-board in the event one of my opponents has a combo up their sleeve
>>97596854I only have one frame of reference for "spellslinging" and i doubt many others world consider him fun.
>>97596855Thanks for the advice, what spellslinger commander would you recommend?
>>97596862Your commander choice is so bad I'm ignoring it entirely.
>>97596863You are conplaining about someone having 9 mana and two specific cards, and didnt understand the nature of the deck you played. I dont think you're in any position to smug greentext about being smart, though I cant really say it ever stopped anyone before.
>>97596868You know what I'll be real hereI find him unfun because it's a pain to keep track of a graveyard constantly, you are mainly playing from your graveyard, and your big play is "I use traumatize on myself and attack. GG?" He's boring and annoying to play. And slow.I don't like spellslinger really so I can't comment on any other
>>97596854Obviously Kykar, but the best spell slinger decks inevitably turn into either storm decks, artifact decks, or eggs decks, and kykar can be all 3.
>>97596854Any hidden tech for this guy?
>>97596872look who's talking your commander choice is god awful too
>>97596894Classic
>>97596874>He still thinks dealing with the threat you know is second to the threat that maybe, possibly might happen, especially after a board wipe, so the precon face commander will have all pieces in hand to combo off then and there.>The commander is the better thing to counter than the actual engine that enables the comboRetard who windmill slams counters without actually thinking confirmed.
>>97596898>Comparing the character select pool to the partner pool.>I-its partner so it will be broken too!lmaoing at your life.
>>97596910>doesn't refute the fact that urtet sucks in the face of true powerconcession accepted
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97596941Shit meme
>>97596902Your story keeps evolving over time. What was on that player's board, specifically? What was on your board before the wipe? And the counterspellmans? How many cards did you or the counterspellman have in hand?
https://archidekt.com/decks/19474798/fomo_maxMade a maralen deck, even without hitting any of the tutor shenanigans, my pod was just pissy that I kept dropping faeries and elves even when they board wiped multiple times, I board wiped with a faerie slumber party and they just got so pissy. I ended up aethersnatching a commander etali, top decking my dream harvest into a fraying omnipotence, sanguine bond and ulamog the defiler and a bunch of other value shit that instantly won me the game. Didn't play my commander the entire game either. This deck just seem like a battlecruiser? Turn 10 win, we said turn 6-12?
>>97596855That's an inarguably great illustration even by UW standards.
Want to confirm something with the wording on this.If I swing at 3 guys with 3 dragons, I still only get one trigger of "Check top 3 draw 1" right?
Every thread, bluefags prove they are insufferable retards who think they are 9 trillion IQ players but yet have so low IQ if it was a temperature it would be reaching the heat death of the universe.
>>97597159One for each player and battle hit.
>>97597157It's just David Bowie from Labyrinth
>>97596894Him and the new double sided Ashling are MVPs in Tellah.
>>97597163Imagine never playing one of the five colors because one time some dude counter spelled you. It's like me never playing white because someone exiled my fatty
>>97597174what's this then?
>>97597159A lot of people think this, but no. Its one or more per instance of thing they are hitting that is described. Its why cards like this are good in commander.
>>97597174You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>97597165>>97597182I see, I thought because combat damage is an all at once thing outside of first strike, the "game" just sees one big instance of dudes taking damage. Does this also mean you get to bounce up to 3 guys if you successfully swing out?
>>97597193If it said "to players or battles" it would work that way, but since it says "a player or battle" it lets there be a plurality if you are hitting different targets.
>>97597163You mean like the one telling the dumbass how to make his jund deck good?
>>97597193"One or more" is the key phrase that will stop multiple triggers. It would need to read "one or more dragons you control deal damage to one or more players or battles" to limit you to a single trigger.
>>97596161Is it me does this guy suck?>No protection>Can only resurrect something that was milled, not something that died this turn meaning sacrifice or board wipes dont work>Not sure if im supposed to put the counters on myself or my opponent not that it matters since its so little counters anywaysThe card seems to want to do a lot but cant do anything well at all. Mothman seems infinitely better
>>97597451They do different things.Mothman pumps creatures, this guy reanimates.When you play reanimator, you're almost always going to want to reanimate your own shit because you get to decide what creatures you play (and hence what ends up in your yard).Mothman is definitely better overall because how much more often his ability can be triggered.
I bought a copy of Spawning Kraken. this pic is not mine but one I found online.mine looks the same. why is it so pixely? I thought I was sent a proxy at first but i guess thats just how this card looks?
>>97597511Have you felt how bad and shitty ECL cards feel?Some batches are just shit despite them being official.Christ, I bought a pack. cracked it and put it in my car console and all of them curled like foils in the 15 minute drive home.
>>97596865is boros spellsingler fun compared to izzet? I want to make a spellslinger commander since a friend like those but he is more of a yugioh guy than magic so he usually borrows my decks, I do have quintorius, loremaster and both Feathers, but really lack cards for izzet in general.
Does anyone here run symmetrical mana doublers? I am wondering how you are actually supposed to play these things. Do you just slam them down on turn 3 and pray to god you didn't hand the game to your opponents or do you do a whole lot of setup first and use them in a High Tide-esque way?
>>97597602I've been testing Lavaleaper in my Tellah deck and the only time I drew it it did pretty well. If it doesn't come down on the kill turn and has to be there for a full rotation they don't get much value out of the extra mana since most people in my pod refuse to play basics.
>>97597599I don't ever play izzet, so I wouldn't know.However, I'd say Feather the Redeemed is the best starting place for a friend. Quints and the other feather aren't exactly complicated, but more can go wrong. Feather and boros pump spells are so auto pilot. Just get one of these.
>>97597602it's called group hug
>>97597602Yes. I either have this out when I drop them down or I used a mana doubler to bait them into tapping out to play static/winter orb
>>97597720I do have this card but I am not sure if to put it on my Valgavoth deck, like, I am not sure which card to remove for this.
>>97597599You can play a fun game with Sunforger and pic related.
>>97597846which pokemon character was this originally
>>97597882
Fuck goblins.This is a command and a threat.
>>97597602I play Mana Flare and Overabundance (the goat) in Borborygmos. You should absolutely wait until a good moment to play them. Usually when I have 6+ mana so I can spend 3 on the enchantment and immediately get my mana back. Obviously pay attention to what other people have before you drop one, but I've seen it where the other three players use the boost to fight each other and by the time it gets back to you they're spent and you're ready to go off.
>>97598023Tfw you will never afford a goblin sex doll
>>97598023>mtg prostitute itself to UB slop>Wizards actually use AI art now>anime alt art is popularso how long until they go HARD on gooning art, maybe to bait yugioh waifufags.
>>97598023Well, goblin commander, tell me which Goblins make for the most fun Commanders.
>>97598133Literally 0. They are all boring. They can be good, but they are fucking boring.
>>97598166Who are you and why should anyone listen?
>>97598189You can't list a single fun goblin commander either.
>>97598196b-but I tap Krenko and make gobbos! That is Peak Mag -- Wait, why are you pinging the board for 1?! AIEEEE
>>97598196Sure can. Slobad. I also like Zada. And shattergang.
>>97598200anthem effects don't exist in red, ill ping the board for one and-??!? AIEEEE
>>97598207I'll ping the board for one, then blow up your anthem.
>>97598209i swat it
>>97598215I'll swat it back
>>97598207They all took 3 total btw
>>97598223How much is this asshole up to now
>>97598223>dies to shocknot a chance
>>97598205None of these are interesting or fun.
>>97598221bolt bend, redirect lightning, untimely malfunctionI always have them all even when I only have one card in hand.
>>97598229>implying the Izzit deck will let you do a single thing about it
>>97598228the surgefoil costs as much as a TOR
>>97598232Yeah, me too. I also cast silence.
>>97598231Alas, anon was incapable of fun. He no longer found anything interesting anymore after "the incident" and decided to spend his days masturbating vigorously and screaming into the abyss, which honestly sounded like a good time, but you certainly shouldnt listen to his screaming cum covered magic opinions.
>>97598248>whitelol cuck
>>97598240Jesus christ. I have an aversion to playing with cards over 40 dollars to begin with. It's the only izzet commander I think that MIGHT be fun, but not worth it.
>>97598249>Schizo ramblings because goblins are boringMany such cases
>>97598236doesnt matter, you don't have it.
>>97598257The regular one is only $35 anon. >desu mine was a gift, I'd be hard-pressed to spend that much on a card
>>97598258How's the legacy deck at your gamestore?
>>97598133I think Grub is very fun. If she wasn't made I'd probably have built gut. Krenzo seems novel at least since so few cards care about bottom of the deck.
>>97598215>the goblin player swats ityou may have failed to understand
How much of a target am I gonna be?
>>97598298Blocking a 5/5 without trample isn't that terrifying.Sure you're going to run shit like wound reflection, but still.
>>97598298You will be the ultimate casual boogie man. Like you were playing Mill or something. Someone may burst into tears and scream at you, conceptually, without actually playing a single card.
>>97598309'someone' being you I suppose.i should start letting jumbo cactaur conveniently yet accidentally fall onto the table for all to see whenever im playing a deck with green it just to farm the responses.
>>97598228Holy shit why is he so much? I need to get rid of the little bastard.
>>97598322>Why is he so muchBecause UB is RL and he's a good and popular commander.
>>97597621Love this little dude so much.Speeds up games for plebs on basics and also just gives everyone haste to keep things fun.
>>97598318Me? God no, I play nondeterministic storm, only rule of law makes me cry. I'd just chump block or stifle it or some shit. Jumbo Cactuar is delightul, I was just warning you noobs are going to lose their mind about that card.
>>97598330>only rule of law makes me crypainful quandary
>>97598298I imagine casuals will he scared shitless but I personally welcome halved life totals and if this thing connects you've earned it.
>>97598336Nah, I'm cool with that. It gives me two seperate outs, and fills the raveyard. Rule of law? That's a rat bastard that requires specific removal that I'll probably need to tutor, and that's at minimum two turns, but maybe more.
>>97598356I want more of these on tribal bodies.
>>97598366That card FUCKS. Best part of Jankabrask, and a hatebear. Supremely cool.
>>97598356>the raveyard
Should I bother with batterskull + stoneforge? I want stoneforge either way for a few sword of x/y, empyrial plate, and jitte. My Kaldra's in a deck with Godo.
>>97598442you're going voltron in edh, think bigger
>>97598442Battleskull is debatable, stoneforge is a must have from her interaction with hearth and home alone.
>>97598298If you're able to connect with a monoblack 5 mana creature with no inherent evasion people can't be mad about the rider effect since their board state is absolutely shit anyways. Timmies will be quaking in their boots but a creature doing on average 23 damage against a player that can't block it mid-late game is not unheard of at this point.
>>97598463Not exactly Voltron. It's Ephara blink / hatebears but I don't really know what to make the wincon. I have armageddon / cataclysm to ruin people's day that I could run. I have swords, empyrial plate, jitte, inquisitor's flail, and some double strike enchantments to just commander damage. Also could do Jazal / Mirror Entity to make my bears bigger.
Friend got the precon and we upgraded it with more -1/-1 counter support and better lands. This guy FUCKS. I'm legitimately in awe
>>97598521-1/-1 counters are so fucking cool.
>>97598521in retrospect you can see where gavin was coming from when he first said bracket 2 is "precon level", knowing in advance that precons like world shaper that bully the average edh deck were what wotc had down the lineit's doubly hilarious why he since backtracked on this, not because one can't build a bracket 2 deck stronger than a precon, but because the majority of players are incapable of it
>>97598551>because the majority of players are incapable of itFrom everything I've seen, people can only either build terrible bracket 1-1.5 decks (that I enjoy playing against cuz it's their favorite cards) or sweaty ass bracket 4+ netdecks. Never anything in-between
>>97598561I can build fair 3's just fine. Its not that hard.
>>97598576This is exactly the problem EDH has. Everyone THINKS they made a 7 when maybe 5% of the playerbase actually has.
>>97598596A 3 isn't a 7
>>97598599b3 is just the new power 7 in terms of "retards gravitate towards middle value as the label">Hmm yes today I'll label this deck with no game changers as bracket 3>Hmm yes today I'll label this cEDH list with marginally worse tutors as bracket 3
>>97598608>Hmm yes today I'll label this cEDH list with marginally worse tutors as bracket 3don't forget worse rocks worse draw and worse winconsbut bracket 3 will indeed mirror cedh's archetypes more or less when played optimally, because GCs like necropotence are strong enough to build your entire deck around
>>97598608https://archidekt.com/decks/12266496/lord_of_theftWell you tell me this isn't a fair 3. Yeah, its got some aids, but I still need wincons
>>97598463I love this thing in Imskir. Crack the opponent for 15 then chuck the sword for another 12.
>>97598619Anon this looks so bad it's almost funny.
>Harry Potter set gets announced>all the transnegro artwork disappears from future cards
>>97598298I don't really think Shredder would be able to do much on his own. Would probably be a fun piece in Splinter though.
>>97598521This dude looks cool as fuck. List?
>>97598664will wotc finally show regret for building the toxic audience they've cultivated and cut them off with a harry potter UB?I can't wait for the ACKening
>>97598672I dont know man I think the shareholders and Hasbro are notoriously left-leaning, at least with idpol bs
>>97598670>Friend got the precon>we upgraded itHow in the actual fuck am I supposed to have a list, anon? It's HIS deck, and it's at HIS house. Look at the damn precon list if you're so curious
>>97598682Oh fuck. I didn't read like half of that post right. Never mind.
>>97598608My Nashi rat tribal is bracket 3 because of Survival of the Fittest, Entomb, and Chrome Mox. Doesn't really mean anything though, still probably worse than Blightcurse.
>>97598699Entomb isn't even a gamechanger bro
>>97598047They only cost about 200 USD if you don't care about limbs/head, if you do I'm not sure how much that costs. If you've got a link for something like that I'd love to see it.
>>97598723The more you know. Imperial Seal being GC but not Entomb feels whack.
>>97598732The GC list is a little under used.
>>97598732>entomb>gc"people" like you is the reason this format is pure garbage.everything is the boggieman, cant wait until the "TOR lives rent free in my head" anon pops up
>>97598747Yeah, I just looked at it and was surprised by how sparse the list was. You'd think something like Deflecting Swat or Doubling Season would be there if something like Dannith is.
>>97598747A lot of the cards are nonsensical as well. Serra's Sanctum doesn't feel like it belongs. Farewell makes people butthurt because it makes games go long but it's still a symmetrical board wipe where fire covenant, phyrexian purge, and some others actually just blow people out. Thoracle is on the list but a deck that wants it is probably already bracket 4/5 (see mass land destruction and mystic remora).
>>97596161What's the wincon for him?
>>97598813Hoping your opponents can't play theirs.
Pulled a Maralen during draft night, how do I build her if I'm a broke bitch?
>>97598810>Farewell makes people butthurt because it makes games go long but it's still a symmetrical board wipe where fire covenant, phyrexian purge, and some others actually just blow people out/edhg/ in charge of not saying the stupidest shit anyone has ever read challenge: impossible.
>>97598785Look at the pile of other 1 mana tutors that are game changers. Entomb is almost certainly less narrow for bracket 3 decks than say crop rotation.
>>97598819https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28type%3Aelf+OR+type%3Afaerie%29+commander%3AUBG+%28game%3Apaper%29+prefer%3Abest&unique=cards&as=grid&order=usd&dir=asc
>>97598672>yfw WotC releases Secret lair Mars attacks shortly after harry potter set
>>97598813Midnight Guard Presence of Gond.
>>97598819Cheap flash fairies, elf generators, and changelings. It's really not that difficult to make her threatening but you need to work a little harder than just throwing all of your Voltron pieces on Kotis.
>>97598785>An instant-speed 1-mana typeless tutor is bad!I see Santa granted your Christmas Wish for extra chromosomes.>Thoracle is on the list but a deck that wants it is probably already bracket 4/5What do you even define as a bracket 4/5 at that point? Thoracle is still absolute cancer in the format, and it isn't Demonic Consultation that's the stronger of the two.
>>97598849Meant to include >>97598810
>>97598822Nearest I can tell, that's literally what the article talking about it describes the thought process as. Playing farewell puts people on tilt, so it is a game changer.
>>97598678>I think the shareholders and Hasbro are notoriously left-leaningYou're wrong, basically. At least, you're not hitting the breadth of the matter enough.Hasbro is not really "left-leaning," even if they're making their products with more inclusivity in mind than they used to. This is capitalism, baby. The moves are not motivated by having a belief in these ideals; they're motivated by an understanding that the product will sell to more people if they act like they have them. It's the same for any of the other major companies that people tantrum over when they broadcast the idea that they give a shit. Most of them don't really care one way or the other, and are just seeing the trend of society, adjusting their marketing accordingly in order to rake in the dough. There is nothing more right wing than being a capitalist.
>>975988493 total mana 2 card 'I win the game' combo doesn't seem like 'late game'. It's not an infinite combo, so I guess you could shoot that angle.
>>97598854The mechanism behind that tilt inducing reset matters. Deleting the front row, back row, and graveyard all at once by putting everything in an unrecoverable zone is a purely toxic play pattern in bracket 2. Destruction board wipes or multi-target removal spells aren't flipping the table as hard as Farewell and your examples were so awful it's hard to believe it's not trolling.
>>97598874I mean it's been a while since I've touched cedh but both phyrexian purge and fire covenant were common to see in lists when I played.>purely toxic play patternYou talk like a faggot.
>>97598864Well the pendulum has be stuck on the far left already and now I'm just waiting for it to swing back and be normal once more. But I suppose they're still in charge for god knows how long, whoever is the head of this zeitgeist is.
>>97598895Have you been in a game store? Very much not a conservative crowd. Unlikely to change anytime soon.
>>97596776Me too anon. I kinda hate how fast commander is getting.
I think the format got ruined when people who started picking it up who have never played constructed or even draft.
>>97598889Phyrexian Purge is so bad the Rakdos deck that synergizes directly with life loss barely plays it. Fire Covenant is also not played much outside of that same commander. And this ignores that these cards aren't good in the format Farewell is banned. Bracket 2 has a completely different meta than cEDH or even brackets 3 and 4. Shaving razor thin margins with Fire Covenant to kill a Bowmasters, Grand Abolisher, Voice of Victory, and Hexing Squelcher isn't the same as Farewell wiping out the mana rocks, weak repeated draw engines, incremental value snowball creatures, big stompy idiots who still can't lethal, and token farms that are most responsibly kept in the game by graveyard recursion or indestructible granting instants. The pace is slower, alpha strikes aren't able to be found and redeployed instantly, and not every deck is playing blue with free interaction. The expectations are different and Farewell punishes that gameplay in ways that ruin games that the hundred other less punishing Wraths don't. That's why despite Farewell not being particularly good competitively it's better to have it banned from the format where it does nothing but ruin games.
>>97598864>There is nothing more right wing than being a capitalist.30 year olds who only know conservatism as evengelical Bibi masturbation and defense contractor corporatism are going to hit a pretty strange wall when they find out the far right youth wants to ban usury and hang bankers from light poles. There are very few people who despise the kind of short term extraction that corporations like Hasbro employ more than young right wingers. They see it as a microcosm of how the monetary system treats entire countries, with every shareholder being another banker or scammer trying to take their pound of flesh.
>>97598664>>97598672The problem they have is that while I think it’s laughable how mad trannies get about Rowling, I also hate UB so won’t be buying it anywayThey really managed to annoy both sides
>>97598929>does nothing but ruin gamesIt equalizes board but not hand state in the wipe everything state. If you were behind on development in lands or draw engines, you are still losing. It can help you get ahead if there's some category you care about less, but not to an egregious degree.
>>97598864>This is capitalism, babyIf that was true then they wouldn't need UB to keep their brand alive.
>>97598819I was going to recommend finding a lathril precon and just stealing 60% of it but those aren't cheap these days
>>97598953The board state is the game state that matters in bracket 2. Card draw isn't as potent and is usually attached to the board state in some way, especially in green and for commanders that are "do thing, draw card" that make up the majority of card advantage WotC designs now. With normal Wraths there's a better chance of someone having a way to capitalize off it more than the full board reset, either through indestructible granting instants and flash creatures, graveyard recursion, non-protection rattlesnakes like Spinner of Souls or Luminous Broodmoth, etc. The way Farewell goes above any counterplay that isn't phase out is what sucks the most about it but it's hard to understate how much of a struggle most bracket 2 decks have trying to rebuild from just the hand and command zone. It's worse than someone winning in a way that feels "unfair". At least when someone wins you can restart the game.
>>97598900Where I live its mostly apolitical (or just generally silent with politics) Gen X/Millenial males with the rainbow crowd being a standout anomaly. There's women sometimes but those are bought by their SOs
>>97597586I did not notice that with ECL. but spawning kraken is from a different version. also its not the feel but the look I am questioning
>>97597511image on scryfall looks about the same
>>97598864This is a delusional and naive perspective that maybe was justifiable some decades ago, but has long since stopped reflecting reality.Activist investors and the march through the institutions have metastasized, otherwise you would never even have seen systems like Blackrock's Aladdin used to push inefficient ESG investing for the sake of social engineering.But besides top down decision-making like this, many of these companies are thoroughly infiltrated by ideologues at the lower and management levels.People often deflect blame for i.e. AAA games being woke goyslop to the top brass entirely, but then you have games like Highguard come out, made entirely by AAA devs that left the large companies to be in charge of their own creative processes, and it's the exact same dreck.MTG is not full of gay browns because that's what necessarily sells the best, in fact the opposite is clearly true given that card treatments with attractive White women consistently command a far higher secondandary market price than their ugly nog versions and Wizards is even aware of this considering that they intentionally make the higher rarities less pozzed (i.e. Starfield Vocalist).The reality is that Magic is full of non-binaries and brown mutants because the employees creating the cards (like that woman whining about JKR) want them to be so and the top brass either doesn't care or actively engages in social engineering as well.
>>97599150yea its kinda strange. I dont remember ever seen another card art that was so low quality in terms of pixels
I've really hit my deck building stride lately. And my stride writing. I am HYPE.
>>97599402you have no idea how bad it really gets
>>97598864>n-no this isn't REAL leftism! Actually capitalism is at fault!Every time.
>>97597511It is a scan of an oil painting on canvas. You are seeing the texture of the canvas under the painting, if you look closely.
>>97599437ok but spawning kraken is from like 2021 while scourge is what, 25 years old? >>97599458this would explain it! thank you
>>97599443Just like how every time capitalism fails it wasn't REAL capitalism, eh?
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>>97599488Kek is that the best you can come up with ? Commies in shambles
>>97599490How about that(Every time I post this card I'm reminded of the smut I wrote about her years ago)
>>97599490Do these combinations actually exist?
>>97599491Sir, this is a mablick da balberong thread.
>>97599498thats why better art >>97599501no its just le funny and quirky tmnt designs xd
>>97599501I hate that flavour text, dear lord.
>>97599501Mechanically this feels like such a strange card.What is the purpose of the self damage if it's still food and not super above rate for a 4 damage burn.
>>97599509>no its just le funny and quirky tmnt designs xdHe's not really asking, he just spam-posts every card as they're revealed and puts texts with the post that so when someone calls him out on spamming he can say he's generating conversation.
>>97599501It's kind a quirky jab about the nature of pizza and how far you can stretch the definition of pizza while it still technically counts as pizza, even completely detached from the cultural origins of that concept. It is a food analogy for the concept of both Ninjas and Mutants within the context of the franchise.
>>97599521Kinda agree >When it enters you are damaged>But when You eat it , you are healedPast that it's clearly a reference to Char, which is not exactly a good card
>>97599187Epstein-brained. Hasbro is legally obligated to uphold their fiduciary duty to the shareholders. For example, if any market research demonstrated that something like black Aragorn would have hurt their sales or would have caused a lawsuit from the Tolkein estate, they would have kept him white. That goes for in-universe art too. The representation shit is just a near zero effort way to appeal to a broader audience like the "stepsibling" keyword manipulation that porn sites use.
>>97599529Right? The design of symmetrical burn card that can refund the self damage later is cool but couldn't the self damage atleast pay for something somewhere. Feels like a 3cmc for 4 is perfectly fine with no extra text.
>EDH: "We can't put Kinnan or Urza on the GC list. If we put too many cards there it would be too compwicated! Nobody would be able to figure it out. :(((">Genesys: "Showing 607 entries for pointed cards."
>>97599548Dont talk shit about Urza you ding dong.
>>97599548GC list could easily be like 70 cards.Don't get why WoTC infantilizes their playerbase like this. Magic is a game with the fucking layers system and anybody that actually plays the game long enough to grasp the rules could keep track of a soft ban list.
>>97599559Anyone who can keep track of layers certainly doesnt care about brackets, let alone a 70 card soft ban list for vagina reasons. Like aura shards.
>>97599548Honestly what's even crazier about Genesys is the YCS. It forced players to choose between regular and Genesys, and both events got record attendance.
>>97599568My point is more so that magic is already a game that has a lot of complexity in it and what's effectively a ban list Is super easy to understand in comparison to some of the other weird shit this game has.
>>97599568>Anyone who can keep track of layers certainly doesnt care about formats, let alone a 70 card ban list for vagina reasons. Like memory jar.
Current state of my Aerith resurrect deck. Pulled Curious Colossus and Aurora Awakener (not in pic) from my Lorwyn pulls that I added in. I have a Formidable Speaker I want to find a place in there as well.The mana base is at 34 cards with an even split, not sure if I should bump up the numbers and adjust for the W/G ratio or if I should just keep relying on the ramp I have to get me what I need. Not even sure how I would judge the correct ratio.Anyway, help appreciated, hidden tech welcome. Otherwise post decks.
>>97596412Didn't multiple anons complain that there were 10 Aang cards alone?
>>97599578But you can play memory jar in edh. This is why you play edh.>>97599574Maybe. Maybe not. But making brackets 2 and 3 real formats with large differences sort of deflates the new player safe space intent of the lower brackets, and removes a lot of the casual aspects of the silly format where you can play every cars ever.
>>97599574I wish rhystic complainers would just realize that rhystic is banned in b2 and they should stay there and stop dabbling in b3, a bracket which would be dominated by decks revolving around GCs anyway
>>97599580How does the deck typically do? Thinking about building her because she is Bae
>>97599580I HATE your glasses. I would fight you over those stupid things.
>>97599589and "people" "play" Vintage so they can play Lurrus and Black Lotus. That doesn't mean you need to shit up Legacy because Vintage "players" exist.
>>97599589That's fair, I'd prefer a cleaner line between them since they're actively in different brackets.>>97599590This is also agree with. Bans should be reserved for genuinely game warping stuff.
>>97599589Way to out yourself as a newfag because standard/type2 existing didnt stop casuals from mashing their old necro+order of the ebon hand piles with recently rotated psychatog piles so why would edh be any different>well my casual friends would be influenced and would start using brackets in my basement pods!That's the rub, isnt it? That your friends would rather listen to wotc - the owners of the game and has word of god - rather than your whims, this speaks more about (You) than anything else really
>>97599603Why do you think this is about me? I can do whatever I want, no matter the cardpool, because I know how to play magic. The GC list is irrelevant. But babby's first format, which is the intent, is undermined by limiting what cards can and cant be played more broadly, and it makes the difference between competent and not much more profound.>>97599613Fair enough, I can respect that idea. Might be fun.>>97599620Boy oh boy, that sure has nothing to do with anything. Thanks, I guess?
>>97599642>Boy oh boy, that sure has nothing to do with anything. Thanks, I guess?Au contraire>60 card formats like standard didnt ruin casual 60 card kitchen table>but brackets will somehow ruin the casual edh kitchen table!No it wontThe only thing you can say is that casuals would like to emulate the decks that win LGS tournaments, which isnt the end of the world you think it is
>>97599642>But babby's first format, which is the intent, is undermined by limiting what cards can and cant be played more broadlyThis was the logic WotC used labeling Vintage "Type 1" and look at how that format turned out. It wasn't actually fun. It was the most impenetrable format ever and every play pattern was dogshit.
>>97599677Turns out nosewater was right in saying "restrictions breed creativity" but anons cant even admit that a broken clock is right twice a day
>>97599684Mark's problem is he doesn't apply that rule to himself when designing sets.
>>97599664Take a smoke break. You seem to have lost the plot entirely. There is no need to change the rules or moderate something for people who have no intent to follow the rules in the first place, and there certainly shouldnt be a banlist catering to them.>>97599677Vintage is awesome, what are you on about? Expensive, sure, but legacy is significantly less intensive from a mechanical perspective, modern less then that, and pioneer even less than that. But making the brackets into a similar teired structure undermines the entire concept of the brackets in the first place; to give new players a clean onboard without any bad feels. If they become formats, then competent people will bring the bad feels, inevitably.
>>97599702>Vintage is awesomeOh so you're one of those "people" never mind I can safely ignore everything you say.
>>97599702>There is no need to change the rules or moderate something for people who have no intent to follow the rules in the first placeThe people who have no intent to follow the rules by definition should be the most unbothered about anything wotc says, and while i'm sure you know how to play magic and you know how to self regulate your power level you cant deny that the majority of players actually arent like this
>>97599702>Actually codifying the unwritten rules of casual play into actual rules is bad because... it would be too complicated!Yes I agree we should go the DBD route where killer is expected to not tunnel (despite it obviously being optimal even to a new player) and survivors are expected to not genrush while abusing extra health states (despite it obviously being optimal even to a new player). Surely this hasn't been causing problems for 15 years.
>>97599702>If they become formatsIt took you this long to realize that this is the logical conclusion of brackets? Lol>then competent people will bring the bad feels, inevitablyI see you're still not answering why edh will be ruined by formats when 60 card kitchen table wasnt ruined by formats, ah cest la vie
>>97599705What's wrong with vintage other than costing more than a mid tier sedan?>>97599707You're half right, half wrong. Moderating power level is only required if there arent clearly defined specific boundaries, but flexible ones. Otherwise the power level becomes self moderated to whatever extent is allowed by the top end group think of the specificity of the rules.>>97599709Please refer to the smoke part.
>>97599598It takes a bit to get going, people tend to get nervous when they see the life total start rising and begin targeting me, sometimes even over other much more obvious threats. It's a lot of fun though, bouncing stuff back from the graveyard depending on the need.>>97599601You're just jelly you'll never be as fabulous as I am.
>>97599716Do you miss land drops often with 34 lands?
>>97599715>What's wrong with Vintage?If you unironically can't figure this out, you are the exact reason brackets need to be format splits.
>>97599715>is allowed by the top end groupAnd who would that "top end group" be? YOU? Hahaha
>>97596355the amount of filters, ps and makeup can only mean these are dudes
Anyone else suddenly have all their feeds full of TMNT bullshit compared to not having any a week ago? Articles about the TV show, the movies, random videos of the lore, so much talk of it out of nowhere and of course we have the magic set to go with that, seeing the flip switch and getting the slop funnel actively attached to your mouth by people in charge feels fucking bad man, straight up they live glasses tier stuff going on it feels like >um achkually have you heard of this rad cartoon from the 80's literally no one has given a shit about ever for decades?? Well now EVERYONE is talking about it just like when star wars was bought by disney and millions of dedicated star wars fans materialized out of thin air, it is just a coincidence and there is nothing to notice
>>97599726It appears you are having a skill issue with the card pool, and are a hater. It's cool to be a hater, but neither logical nor rational, and closer to shitposting if you dont have a specific complaint beyond "he likes vintage, so he's bad".>>97599730No, I make insane things for spiteful reasons, because I find it fun. Groupthink discord servers data drilling and grinding thousands of matches to optimize particular list, establish a particular meta, codify information about it, then share it as much as possible with high index values.
>>97599741No I'm getting recommended a bunch of small channels that feature people who swapped from MtG to YGO.
>>97599725I usually have a good time getting the ramp going, there's been some games with terrible land draw, but those have been exceptions. I'm still considering taking out some stuff to increase the mana base though, I know 34 is low for the average deck.
>>97599753>hey you're not one of those casuals that follow wotc and discord troons for deck building advice, info which btw is completely detached from their mental illnesses?>you should allow my way of doing things instead you should let me grief your pod for shits and gigglesHaha he finally admits it
>>97599741Dude that's just your social media optimizing your recent search historyThey know you are a magic player, you've searched tmnt recently, and there are many more out there like you
>>97599777Well hey, you pretended to talk about magic for a bit, that's an improvement. Marginal, but noticable. Good job, but keep practicing. It really is an improvement.
>>97599792Your passive aggressive faint praise only proves that i'm right and you're just doubling down now that you've been caught, which is fine, but know that your basement will serve as your containment as you are incapable of negotiating with randoms via following wotc's brackets because it's your way or the highway clearly lol
>>97599804I was being genuine because up to that point you did talk about magic, and the me being nice part is letting you pretend to be anonymous or referencing your samefagging because you're genuinely doing a bit better as of late. Keep it up, you're absolutely going to make it. I believe in you.
>>97598488It is literally impossible to give evasion in black. Impossible.
>>97599813>muh samefaggingYes i've been talking to you for a while now but dont let that distract you from the fact that you've avoided my arguments because at the end of the day you're just a whiny bitch that cant accept that people would rather follow the corp that actually owns the game (wotc) rather than you
>>97599501Someone actually made this and it got reposted by the MTG account.They said it wasn't bad
>using brackets
>>97599580Waiting to get more things to come to upgrade this like Vedalken Orrery and Pull from eternity. I should probably ditch the PW as much as I like him and a few other things to put in pillowfort stuff to slow people down.
>>97599832Pizza dough is just bread, if you can stomach something with bread, you can do the same with pizza
>>97599709This is starting to feel like it's what commander is becoming>LET>ME>WIN!People expecting you to play like ass so they can effectively win because they can't if everyone tries.It is giving me PTSD of that shit game.
>>97599843>if you can stomach bread then you can eat ANYTHING
>>97599826You're so silly. If you keep trying to improve I have no reason to bring up things that you feel bad. These things take time. One day soon you may even be able to talk about magic productively while also shitposting a small amount.
I love when you autists argue for so long that trying to figure out the entire chain of events of your shitfits is like trying to watch the entire MCU
>>97599849I'm not the one kvetching about the existence of brackets fyi, that's woman-tier level of silliness
>>97599853Who?
>>97599832>>97599848Honestly an oatmeal based pizza DOUGH doesn't sound terrible, but putting it on the top sounds grossI don't know why they chose to make the pizza look so fucking gross in this set
>>97599844This is already what Commander is. If everyone is actually playing to win and nothing else every table has someone playing blue farm. The expectation is that everyone will sandbag in deckbuilding which is exactly why the format is so shitty for new players because on top of all the written rules they need to learn all the unwritten ones.
>>97599848>if you can eat X with bread then you can eat X with pizza doughIt's not that complicated
>>97599865Why are you replying to yourself?
>>97599869I have dementia
>>97599873It's cool man. We'll help you get through this. They have drugs for that sort of thing now.
>>97599865>the expectation is that everyone will sandbag in deckbuildingThat's what the other non-vintage formats are though, legacy modern and standard are just formats with extra stepsBut you're right in that edh is indeed not ideal for new people to learn mtg
>>97599865Don't try to tell a fag with 2700 hours in that game that commander feels like playing DBD. Having your nuts crushed feels better than DBD
>>97599883Then there is no way to learn magic for new players. Expecting someone to play standard to get into EDH is like me telling someone to go play tekken to get ready to play SF6. They are just gonna say "fuck that."
>>97599902>Then there is no way to learn magic for new playersActually there is, just grab those 60 card mono color decks that the lgs gives out>they're enough to teach new players the fundamentals>they dont overload the new player as 1v1 is easier to process than 4man FFA>they teach the newbie that removal isnt something to cry over
>>97599908I have no interest in learning a different format or game style to play what I am interested in. I'll pass.
>>97599900That's literally why I drew the comparison.>Hmm yes today I'll load in and my opponent could be perkless Trapper or a Blight camping hook and I need to decide my loadout before this>If I guess wrong and bring a bad loadout into Blight my opponent will be the smuggest retard ever spamming ez>If I guess wrong and bring a good loadout into Trapper my opponent will call my a retarded tryhard>Both result in them following me for the next week crashing the server of any game I load into
>>97599913Ngl that's like saying you cant learn draft if you're only exposed to 60 card constructed
>>97599921It's no different than when people get into fighting games and retards tell them to play Ryu when they have no interest. People aren't going to do that unless you pay them money
>>97599922People dont play the shotos first to learn the game mechanics?
60-card literally doesn't teach you how to play Commander and people spouting this shit is what breeds the most annoying type of Commander player that learned from Arena and shotguns removal on the first legal permanent often losing the game for themselves in the process.
>>97599925No. Because they want to learn what interest them. This isn't college. No one wants to learn another subject to do the subject they are interested in.
>>97599927>arenaArena doesnt teach you magic either, for the most part. That's not its purpose.
>>97599922If anyone even had the interest to play a genre that demands so much time from you like fighting game (when you can just play shooters to get the same dopamine) they would absolutely play the ryu/mario/t8 jin
Another reason people won't go to one format to try another: These decks do not overlap and they do not want to spend 300 on a fucking standard deck just to learn>hurrr starter welcome decksThis isn't teaching you shit and will give you a warped idea that the game isn't fast as fuck.
All players should be required to play YGO to learn how to play Commander because it unironically teaches threat assessment better than 60-card Standard.
>>97599937>YugiohThen they'll think the game ends on turn 0
>>97599941Good. They'll be prepared for the Rog/Si matchup.
>>97599930I am confused and amazed by that concept. You dont need to git gud at a shoto to play a fighter, but a shoto is designed as a balanced introduction, and from there you branch off into the aspects you like after learning the mechanics. But that's just how I do everything, I use the default that the thing was designed around, download the concept, iterate, iterate, iterate, and settle on something that I like.Honestly, explains why so many people suck at edh and get mad about the design of certain colours. They really should start with simple monocolour decks in like draft or whatever and branch out from there if they want to know how the game works.
>>97599936I think newbies should learn how steps and phases end, how combat works, abd hiw mana works before teaching them threat assessment
Now that turtles is over I don't have to care about any sets for the rest of the year.
>>97599946In that case you should still start then with YGO because the online sim is>Free (Online fails this)>Works (Arena and Online fail this)>Teaches you the game (Arena and Online fail this)>Is similar enough to Magic that the template is transferrable (Arena fails this)
>>97599932The purpose of arena is for r&d to be even more lazy with their balancing since digital will allow errata and use you as their unpaid beta tester, i fucked out of that game the moment they announced alchemy
AHEM VERY IMPORTANT POST:Any commanders that will make me feel like I'm building a cult?
>>97600119Athreos Apostles
>>97600119Literally any aristocrats deck.
>>97600119If we're going by flavor text I'd say Sek'Kuar.
Honest maralen deck or too brutal?
>>97599741>Anyone else suddenly have all their feeds full of TMNT bullshit compared to not having any a week ago?No the only TMNT related things that have come up on my social/YouTube feeds are tolarian videos where he's shitting on the set.
>>97600220It's very honest when you look at how bracket 3 would be played optimally, that maralen lock isnt as broken as you think it is
>>97599741Happens when you are enraged and desperately looking up shit to hate circle jerk over a thing.
>>97600226>he hasn't hit don't recommend channel on that annoying faggot yet
>>97599542>Epstein-brainedGo back to preddit you stupid faggot.>if any market research demonstrated that something like black Aragorn would have hurt their salesYeah it's not like the black Aragorn set had a chase $2 million dollar lottery ticket in it that was also a pushed staple or anything that could have made investors go "do whatever crap you want because we're going to offset it with the gas station scratch-off audience" you disingenuous faggot. It's entirely because everyone wants to share your cuckold fetish!
>>97600124That's good but damn that bitch expensive>>97600143Nah not quite the vibe>>97600153I'd like a bigger pay off
>>97599542>Hasbro is legally obligated to uphold their fiduciary duty to the shareholders.This means they're going to release harry potter UB and finally get rid of the mentally ill troons right? Because not using harry potter in mtg is basically leaving money on the table and thus they're not doing their fiduciary duty right? I cant wait.
>>97600302Uh oh Chud melty.Go back 2 /pol/ newfag
>>97600119didn't I tell you cleric tribal last time
>TFW lgs experience so ridiculous that if I said it people would think I'm making up a story for a greentext
>>97600325You know there will be a Harry Potter set because the official PR statement on it was that they "currently" have no plans for it.That's the wording they use when something is going to happen but they're not proud of it. It's how they phrased the UB split when people were concerned that UB would overwhelm in-universe sets.
>>97600354Well now I need to hear it.
>>97600343I only just had this idea so it would be difficult for that to be true
>>97600339>n-no you!Says the newfag that didn't even play until post-2023.
>>97600325If the HP reboot takes off and is well liked there's zero chance it doesn't get a UB set, nuclear meltdown from prof and friends won't even be a blip compared to the money it would make for hasbro, FF numbers easy
>>97600339>meltyYou are an outed pedophile
>>97600364well then a few threads ago someone came in with inalla and said they want to make a cult deck but with more of a ritual than making someone lose 7 life.explain more about what "vibe" you want
>>97600377Classic poopdickschizo post.
Any commander over 4 mana is unplayable outside of green
>>97600377So I vote GOP?
>>97600272I'm not running any free counter spells, and the lock is definitely a finisher if I can ob nixilis out after and protect it. But I rarely ever find draw them. I ended up creating 5 non-legendary ob nixilis, maralen, talion, and 5 three tree cities, and then scheming symmetry/rimfire torq my opponents. The main complaint against this deck is that when people board wipe, I can quickly rebuild
>>97600406Right it's a very fair b3 deck by your own admissionJust to give you an idea on how sweaty b3 can be, krrik son of yawgmoth can easily be ported over using hoarding broodlord combo and finish the pod with a few gary loops which is decidedly not an infinite so it bypasses b3 restrictions
>>97600276No but I did block Rebel Lilly content. What a garbage fire of a channel both in terms of opinions and presentation.
>>97600435Never even heard of them
>>97600421yeah some new (2 weeks by their admission) trans player showed up yesterday at my lgs with a krrik deck saying it was a bracket 2-3 and after turn 4 winning twice in a row doing exactly that(after memorizing the play lines but knows no other cards), I can say that I don't think that the combo used is in anyway classified as bracket 3. why is this phenomena so frequent? I told that player that it's a free for all mario party format, and that there's no real reason to try and win like that, especially with decks and like other new players, just want to make the most competitive/expensive netdecks. I also ribbed them for having counterfeits instead of proxies, since the printed chinese cards are clearly intended to look like the original, and not be a clear proxy and that super pissed them off.
>>97600455This appears to be a you issue. Stop them? Or play with your friends, not randoms.
all the other trannies at my lgs are total babymode players it's interesting to see others have the opposite experience. i hate playing with people who dont understand the basic rules of the game so i dislike playing with most of them and would prefer the stapleslaves you people describe
>>97600455>i can say that I don't think that the combo used is in anyway classified as bracket 3.But it is indeed b3, because GCs like necropotence and bolas's citadel are so strong it's absolutely worth building around itAnd more importantly krrik isnt a tutor in the cz that 100% guarantees the combo so you cant even argue that it's a b4 like godo and belzenlok>why is this phenomena so frequent?People just like to play with busted stuff, there's an appeal to that, even i partake in it, all you can really do is segregate the poker players from the board game playersThis is why i always tell people to stop dabbling in b3 because that bracket is not what many people think it is, which is also why if i were you i'd drop the opposition agent, your deck is actually a b2, nothing wrong with that ofc>i call out counterfeitfagsVery based
>>97600359>Go to lgs with gf>>inb4>Take a seat next to a pod of 3 becoming 2>Guy is talking about a bunch of shit that's "modern audience"-tier>>Hey, can you guys go easy? "She"'s still learning how to play. Keep it precon level.>Quotes around "she" are my emphasis>No other groups open for a 4-man, so whatever.>Maiden voyage Amy Rose>GF plays bird tribal>He gives "her" the new Lorwyn elf>He plays Ur-Dragon>Hit a Blood Moon turn 3, no other real boardstate other than TibaltFor context, the elf deck was doing fine with basics, and even though he was 5-colors, he was playing dragons as primarily red to the point where his turn-4 play was a Scourge of Valkas. It only really affected my girlfriend.>Decides to target me "on principle," just blowing up anything of mine that he can and attacking me>Turn whatever>Artist's Talent, Blood Moon, Abiding Grace, some keyword equipment, nothing else against a field of basically mono-R dragons>Whatever. Scoop.>GF takes the game by copying Utvara Hellkite with Rite of Replication>He's mad at me for scooping because playing Blood Moon was apparently ankle-shooting.>The rest of the deck played like shit tho>>It doesn't matter how good the deck is, you have a Blood Moon so that automatically makes it no longer a bracket 2 and I asked for precon level! You always do this!>I would later realize Blood Moon is not even a gamechanger.>"My bad," get out https://commandersalt.com/details/deck/0fe7a83aa9abedb28f43cc2f611faa32, stated cat tribal deck>>I know what that deck can do!>Pulls out Vivi and gives the newbie Toph.>(int.) ...That what we doing?>Swap to an out an out-of-rotation cEDH deck>Toph leaves because irl>Snap his Vivi>Mana Drain it>He quits, goes on a spiel about how he "doesn't want to play on that level" and that I "aLwAyS dO tHiS"I can only remember playing two games before yesterday with the guy.>He leaves the area>GF looks at me confused>Just tell her bluntly that I don't feel bad at all.
>>97600455Looking like the original only matters if it has zero characteristics to show it isn't a proxy. A card using the official art and frame is fine if it says proxy on the back or bottom.
>>97600387You voted for Biden lol
>>97600385This, and it kills me. I fucking love Saruman of Many Colors but even with his ward he is unplayable. You can cast him once a game at most. His grixis version is infinitely better but it's so boring.
>>97600509Your girlfriend is a dude? How progressive.
>>97600385only if the gameplan is to windmill slam them on curvealso you're just dumb and bad
>>97600539>4 mana rockhahahahaha
>>97600509Why was your GF not in the kitchen and why do you treat her as your equal?
>>97600385Yes and no. If you built your deck around a commander that's five or more mana in multiple colours that requires an untap to do anything? Yeah, you're going yo have a bad time. If your commander has simple devotion, does something, or is more of a utility piece than your gameplan? You have a better shot.>>97600550Huh? You put "she" in scare quotes. Also, you cant inb4 your own post, and you need to specify what you are putting in before it's mentioned.
>>97600537>>>inb4In case I didn't make it clear, the fourth in the game was a "she/her" (male) 18 year old that got groomed into the pinkpill.I can't say you're wrong since my girlfriend says she's gender-fluid.They were there trying to learn the game, just to have an excuse to go out and meet people, and had to leave early since it was getting late at the shop during our last game.
>>97600509He isn't wrong that blood moon wouldn't be allowed in 2s, not because of gamechangers but because of land denial
>>97600572Blood Moon isn't that big of a deal anymore when everyone and their grandmother is running more mana rocks than you can count on one hand, and it only really affected my girlfriend since she's still learning to put Talismans in her deck.>>97600561If I get targeted by bullshit, she usually wins, so why not bring her?
>>97600585The lower the bracket, the bigger an issue it's going to be. Does it justify him blowing up everything you play though? Not at all
I love it when people pull out their proxy cEDH decks like it's some kind of flex. Then when we're actually playing magic, they hope the sheer velocity of what they're playing compensates for their lack of prep or practice, and I get to play my actually good decks while having the time of my life going through lines I've refined for over a decade.What did you think was going to happen, you thought you were going to be the super cool "I'm not really left handed" jeigan hanging around the noobs bossing them around and being bad on purpose?
We used to have to wait years for power creep. Then months. Now we only have to wait weeks! I love Magic the Gathering!
>>97600604Ngl if wotc gave me redundant copies of an effect i need i'd be happy with them
>>97600385That's not true, my red Akroma deck kills people alll the time.
>>97600598>The lower the bracket, the bigger an issue it's going to beI wonder if that's true anymore. The lower the bracket, the more likely a player is to be running more basics, and it's not like commander decks nowadays don't try to have at least some rocks. Really, I would be more suspect to think it's relevant in higher brackets where faster, more flexible mana is more of a necessity.
>>97600627It's not bloodmoon. It's the concept of what bloodmoon represents, and the people who fear it are not equipped at a conceptual level to understand it doesnt effect them.
>>97600627The lower the bracket the more people run taplands and budget duals, i know you really think blood moon is this fair card but the fact is wotc has already made its decision, and if you still cant let go of blood moon and just replace it with its b2 counterpart blood sun it really calls into question why you cant let go of the card
>>97600640>but the fact is wotc has already made its decision,Blood Moon is not a gamechanger
>>97600627People wont expect to have to play around it on a bracket where it is literally banned. Taking one recent 3 color deck as an example, 9 basics out of 40 lands isn't a lot.
>>97600650It's mld which is a no-no and gavin already gave his definition of it and he even calls out blood moon specifically in his very first brackets article (do people even read the things they criticize anymore?)
>>97600650Technically, it's a subgamechanger delta variant, a card so unfathomably powerful, as a category it's removed from the game, lest saying its cursed name invokes some sort of ancient blood magic stopping new players from spending money. It's one of those 20 or so random adendumns that dont make any sense and are primarily vibes based at the bottom, but banned as commander is too confusing.
>>97600650Because there is no need to set it as one when it's already banned on any bracket lower than 4
>>97600656that's fine because the difference between an upgraded and a base precon is you take out the shitty taplands and replace them with basics. blood moon belongs in 3
>>97600539>only if the gameplan is to windmill slam them on curvePretty much how the game is played actually.
>>97600665>>97600657You guys always make me laugh. That image requires you to read like 3 or 4 meandering articles to understand. Those articles are completely unnecessary if the rules were clear, and not necessary for any other format.>>97600668You're fighting a losing battle here. It's rule zero'd by fiat because scary. You may not like it, but accept it.
>>97600673The rules on mld are quite clear and it is literally mentioned first on any bracket you cannot play it at
>>97599837Why is he so smug?
>>97600657I'm not reading his articles.
>>97600673>he cant be bothered to readMany such cases
>>97600691No reason to take you seriously then.
The only one at locals who complains about brackets only complains about them because they don't go far enough>I can't take a game-changer list that doesn't include sol ring seriously
>>97600692Standard changes>Legend rule change. You and your opponent can now have the same legendary out at the same timeCommander rules change>Pls watch my 15 minute video, my hour and a half podcast with command zone, and read my 10 page article to understand a rule change to a format you played for 15 years!
>>97600692I can read just fine. It's just significantly more reading than actually learning to play the game requires.>>97600685And yet, it's not on that infographic. Curious.
>>97600703Literally no one at my locals even uses brackets and I doubt most stores or long time players do
>>97600715Correct.
>>97600673>Those articles are completely unnecessary if the rules were clear, and not necessary for any other format.They're not even consistent. The same article that has >>97600665 is outdated because precons upscaled in power, so not Bracket 2 is just "no gamechangers."It's not as if something like Blood Moon is comparable to Armageddon since you can play around a Blood Moon because you're still getting your lands. It's like calling Rule of Law a gamechanger because Augustine is still listed on there - one of them's annoying but the other completely shuts a deck off.WotC acting like five color decks can't be punished is a horrible precedent anyway that needs destroyed, because it encourages players to not engage with the color pie.
>>97600716>gavin calling out rule zero fags for not being to ban rhystic and co.Lol
>>97600708Are you blind or just playing dumb?
>>97600727Rule 0 is the norm
>>97600730It's the thread shitter trying to hijack the conversation to stir shit. Ignore him.
>>97600733Why are you crying about rhystic again?
>>97600740I don't care about rhystic. I never see it used.
>>97600745Good i'll pubstomp you with it then
>>97600721>WotC acting like five color decks can't be punishedAnd yet gavin's trying to get sundering unbanned>these rules are inconsistentMore like arbitrary, but no more arbitrary than me not being to use an old card in modern because it was last reprinted in 7ED
>>97600750Draw those cards, bitch
>>97600730Anon, "mass land denial" is not a term in magic. Well, if you read the articles it is. But if you've played magic at any level for any amount of time you wouldnt know what it means. If you know what it means? Cool. No one else does without reading war and peace.>>97600727That was actually about sundering titan, but you are correct. He basically said rule zero has never been a thing.
>>97600656>>97600665Aside from the second article no longer even being applicable, fine, whatever, rule-lawyer bracket scaling.But in that case, don't try to hit me with some deck you think is going to be 4 or higher for me bringing out a cohesive Bracket 2 tribal. You either go with the rules or the vibe, not whichever is more convenient.
>>97600760>laughs in tymna kraumSure thing buddy boy
>>97600761>Anon, "mass land denial" is not a term in magic. Well, if you read the articles it is. But if you've played magic at any level for any amount of time you wouldnt know what it means.The future is now, old man.
>>97600656>9 basics in 3 colorEven my 5c decks run more than that.
Is Lorwyn Eclipsed the best set of all time?
>>976007601 life to draw a card is so good there cedh decks built around it
>>97600834No, but it's nice
>>97600840>draw a ton of cards>end up with 15 card hand>get wheeled
I fucking hate ultra rare promos
>>97600781Agreeing with me is fine. Thanks anon.
>>97600871>SQUEEEE PIGGY NEEDS HIS SLOP!!!!!
>>97600876>he likes ultra rare promosgay af
>>97600879I don't give a fuck about promos of any kind, especially not for garbage 3rd party ads printed on my cardboard.
>>97600871Dang NTR furry set.
>>97600915Cry more UWfag
>>97600922Azorious is cool, dont talk shit.
>>97600840Do you really not know how nekusar works? And necropotence doesnt draw the cards.
>>97600956>Do you really not know how nekusar works?he doesnt lol
Think we'll ever get some of the Omenpaths cards printed in paper? If they don't, eventually I'll just resort to using high quality proxies.>but there's barely anything good in spidermanYes, but remember there are two more marvelslop sets that will likely be pushed more than spiderman to sell packs.
>>97601017Hope not
>>97601017No there wont be any paper omenpaths but it's not like you need it, because let's face it you had your heart set on proxying anyway
>>97601017They'll use Omenpaths for reprints like they did with Shadow Summoning but don't expect that for awhile. There's always the issue of Omenpath cards needing to be clear that they're reskins of other cards instead of functional reprints. The UW secret lair variants aren't obvious at all.
>>97601017Reprinting a whole set is admitting that Universes Beyond isn't just disliked by some but so actively despised that they will resist buying it purely because it is UB even if they want to play the effectOfficial company policy is to power through with UB and hope to wear players down
>>97600509This table had 3 losers.>(You) being too autistic to recognize why someone got upset at Blood Moon (brackets do cover this as "MLDenial" explicitly listed)>Autist for actually getting upset over Blood Moon>Pinkpill for being pinkpillI'm pretty sure only your gf won.
>>97601224If Blood Moon isn't stopping you at all, you don't have grounds to bitch about it.Especially if you're playing a built-from-scratch Eminence tribal deck and admittedly ankle-shooting next game.
>>97601234I can make a deck that loops sharazad and technically that isnt making anyone lose, now tell me why that thing's banned
>>97601234Hence why autist is also a loser at this table. (You) are a loser for different reasons related to not following the rules.
>>97601244>A card that isn't affecting anyone's boardstate in a meaningful capacity is the same as starting a subgameDo you see why I'm not sweyed by you fags?
>>97601244Yeah Blood Moon and Shahrazad are very comparable holy fuck you're retarded
>>97601258You're swayed by me every time, baby. You cant handle my girth.
>>97601258>a card that FORCES casuals to play a big amount of basics and fetches (!) to play around blood moon>a card that 90% of casuals cant even utilize properly and just gimps themselves just as much as the opponentsYou are too autistic to realize that blood moon and other mld are soft banned not because of their power level (hell cedh doesnt even use them) but because the majority of casuals dont know how to use them and just waste everyone's time, i bet you dont even know paradox engine was banned because too many people didnt know how to storm off properly and also end up wasting people's time
>>97601267Both cards in the hands of casuals waste everyone's time so they are very much comparable yes
>>97601291Blood moon doesnt waste anyone's time you crazed dork.
>>97601299>i have complete trust that the average edh player knows how to build and pilot erhnamgeddonOh you foolish moron
>>97601311That is not bloodmoon. And honestly, if a deck doesnt run wincons their time cannot be wasted no matter what happens.
>>97601291Do you think the Moon player stuffed his deck full of nonbasics for some reason that will never be explained or something? How does it waste time if it is asymmetrical and gives you a clear advantage?
>>97601321>that is not bloodmoonAnd? You cant even connect why looping extra turns is banned, it's almost like you cant accept that the average edh player is dumber than you think>And honestly, if a deck doesnt run wincons their time cannot be wasted no matter what happens.Cool so i have this sharazad deck with no wincon and whose only purpose is to loop it, you're not gonna cry that i'm wasting your time right
>>97601209>everyone hates UB!!!No, you just sit around online echo chambers.
>>97601350Not me anon. I just said it doesnt waste people's time, and those with no intent to win the game cannot have their time wasted.
>>97601341I love how you guys insist that bloodmoon is very good in capable hands when i dont even dispute that, but god forbid i tell you that the player is stupid, doubly funny when you are certainly not part of those unwashed massesProtip: you dont get everything you want in life so i suggest you use blood sun instead in your b2 pods which handles most of your opponent's problematic lands anyway
>>97601356>>everyone hates UB!!!Point me to where this was said or even implied in the post you're replying to.
>>97601358Way to think only of yourself and not the other people in the pod, such narrow thinking is why you guys are not taken seriously
>>97601376nta but your fun is not my responsibility at all.
>>97601280>and fetchesWut?>the majority of casuals dont know how to use them and just waste everyone's timeIn that case, let's ban all Planeswalkers.Here's the problem, faggot. If you're going to whine about Blood Moon, that's one thing, but if you're doing it "oN pRinCiplE" while it doesn't even affect you, using THE most pushed tribe in the game, after asking the table to play decks that you would expect to be lower in power than yours (because a built-from scratch Eminence deck WILL be stronger than a precon 90% of the time by nature of the mechanic's introduction), you're an asshole and I'm not going to be sorry for including a single hatepiece.>because too many people didnt know how to storm off properlyIt was banned because of Urza.That's a weird pivot to. I get it, you're mad, but just making up "I bet you do these other things I don't like" is just cope.
>>97601387Well shit why didnt you say so
>>97601376I do not think about people who dont run wincons at all, because they arent playing magic, and their opinions do not matter because they have no intent to play or win the game.
>>97601311Armageddon means your opponents have no land mana. Blood Moon lets you keep your lands and doesn't stop you from casting rocks or using dorks. Again, it's like saying Rule of Law is broken because Augustine is broken, or Final Judgement is bad because Farewell is broken.
>>97601391I'm not the one mad that things didnt go his wayI dont even agree that mld is soft banned, but gavin gave his reasoning and we live in gavin's world now, either accept it or i'll see more of your greentext stories lmao
>>97601391No, it was banned because people were spending 200 years accidentally stumbling through baby's first nondeterministic storm combo, while the table cried about it, much like top in legacy where people spent so long thinking about 3 cards games were repeatedly going to time.
>>97601411I'm ain't mad. In fact I had a chuckle when he scooped because his Vivi combo pile didn't work out. Not everyone is like you and can't criticize someone's behavior without malding.Please continue to headcanon a story on the internet you read and weren't there for, though.
>>97601393I've been locked out of the game with time sifter for 10 straight turns on multiple occasions. I don't give a fuck if you play your cEDH shit. If you kill me fast or take forever I'll just browse my phone. And I am fine with that.
>>97601417>baby's first nondeterministic storm comboSo... Urza
>>97601436You can rule zero storm crow or make krrik a mono blue commabder and people will still durdle their non deterministic combos, way to obfuscate the point
>>97601436Urza was deterministic. You play engine, urza's boy is one dude, as soon as you hit 3 more artifacts you exile your entire deck with his 5: ability, and win the game immediately on the spot. Sure, you COULD fizzle by hitting lands, but any artifact in a deck filled with artifacts and fast mana compensates immediately, so it's entirely unnecessary to play out.That is absolutely not accidentally playing the paradox engine you cracked with sol ring and elvish mystic then using every single one of your neurons to play some sort of endless value vomit that never wins the game because you didnt know that could happen.
>>97601431>i aint mad that blood moon is soft bannedLol sure anon whatever you say
>>97601472>soft bannedThis isn't a thing btw
>>97601464What are you even trying to argue at this point?
>>97601472Do YOU think >>97601280 sounds calm and not like some weird projection?
>>97601487Ironically, you do not sound calm, and quite weird.
>>97601487>you wrote a lot therefore mad!But enough about your novel length greentext :)
>>97601472>>97601478>>97601431>>97601411>>97601391>>97600509Blood Moon keeps all you greedy non-basic assholes honest, and needs to encouraged more. Same with more targeted land destruction like Terestodon and Acidic Slime. Yes I will play those even for the high cost. No I won't be blowing up that doubling season, yes I will be taking out your triple tap, surveil peek hide ward lands, or whatever the hell you call them. If you're not running at least 10 basics per deck I don't want to hear you bellyaching like an old women when I slap this card down on your ass.
>>97601410The fact that you actually think Farewell is broken only proves my point on how the average casual player operates
>>97601495>>97601496>Malding twoscreen poster.
>>97601509No, actually. I just thought it was funny that you were complaining about a guy sounding weird and unhinged while being weird and unhinged yourself. I am enjoying this immensely, dont mind me.
>>97601503I agree with you that more people need to play basics and we need Blood Moon-esque cards removed from MLD, but that doesn't mean you can autistically just ignore brackets then act shocked when people got upset.
>>97601515I can autistically do anything. So many things. You'd be amazed. I even do elaborate stories about my decks.
>>97601505Farewell is the strongest single-card boardwipe in the game in both power and flexibility.
>>97601513>I'm actually a new guy that just got suddenly invested in the conversation and talk exactly like the other guy!If I had a nickle for every time someone tried that in this general I would play Legacy...
>>97601503That's nice and i agree with you in principle, but i dont make the rules so make sure you email gavin and hopefully he changes his mindOr you know, just run from the ashes and wave of vitriol right now in your b2 deck, which both bypass gavin's mld definition
>>97601515Then don't bring a bracket 3 in a 2 game if you're going to cry about autistic power scaling and don't try to bring a bracket 4-5 against a 2 and be mad about ankle-shooting.
>>97601518We get it you're autistic, but you're still not getting what you want because there are things beyond our control, sorry about that
>>97601527It's funny that they hijacked MLD to go from meaning "mass land destruction" to "mass land denial"
>>97601547That's gavin's definition, dont get mad at me i dont make the rules
>>97601503Please do not touch my Selesnya Sanctuary with a Dawn's Reflection on it I need it to cast Progenitus.
>>97601554Well Gavin's a faggot who can't even be consistent.
>>97601522No that's actually cyclonic rift
>>97601524It's true. You wouldnt have a nickle in this case, and given your detective skills in this instance, may not have any nickles at all.
>>97601503WotC is designing more in the 3-color space than anywhere else right now and loading up with too many basics is a good way to fuck up your colors. There's a clear benefit to playing less basics in 3-color decks, especially ones that don't include green. Blood Moon punishes good deckbuilding. That's one of the cardinal sins of TCG card design. If a card punishes a player for playing or building correctly it needs to be solving extreme imbalances that are gained by building properly. That's better curated by banning problems or designing other archetypes that can keep up and not silver bullets.
>>97601543But what do I want? Simple, thousands and thousands of every single odyssey and invasion basic land. Also, a train no one can ride but me.
>>97601522Posts like this make me wonder about these posters personal lives. What do you do all day? Do you have a neat haircut? How do you keep your cards?
>>97601588>using under 10 basics in ANY deckI don't care what amount of colors you areNTA either
>>97601587>Verbose "nuh uh">>97601578Debatable considering the graveyard mode, but point taken.
>>97601597I average 10-11 in my 3-color decks but I'm an Ash Barrens believer. Blood Moon is rarely going to fully hose me. I still think it's an unreasonable card, especially after dealing with it in Modern. I mostly come from a Yugioh background so I've learned the hard way that loose silver bullet design is a really good way to build an unsatisfying game that no one enjoys.>>97601522It's a powerful effect but it's not the type of card that converts into wins as easily as it seems. It's a GC for play pattern reasons.
>>97601609That's not verbose, it's flippant. Verbose would be if I spent the character limit meticulously guiding you through my loquatious ballet of elaborate metaphor and similie to make the same point while I quoted Melleville and Nick Land.The autismal few can play thread detective, and you need a bit more practice. If you prefer, you can continue rambling at length and I'll quietly write my thoughts in my dream journal so you arent interrupted as you entertain me.
>>97601588>Blood Moon punishes good deckbuildingWeird cope. If one enchantment can shut you down by inconveniencing one of your resources, your deck is bad.Playing three or more colors SHOULD be riskier because you have access to a larger cardpool and thus more versatile tools. Grixis is the only three color combination that can't access either Naturalize or Disenchant and every deck can at least pour that red mana into rocks, which most multicolor decks want to be using anyway. Why do you give a shit if you're popping off a Chromatic Lantern? Your trying to guise not running interaction as good deckbuilding when that's just a retarded cope.
>>97601635Did not read.
>>97601644>can't play most of my spells>can't play card draw spells>can't find my enchantment removal>opponent who controls the Blood Moon keeps playing and is only set back by 2R to shut off my manabaseI don't know why people always assume you have endless amounts of time to find your removal under stax pieces like the person playing the stax piece isn't also advancing his gamestate.
>>97601649But if you didnt read, how would you know who's who? I thought you were an expert in nickles, bickering, and internet detective work. Now you're just a guy who sounds unhinged by telling people they are also unhinged and weird, weirdly escalating the whole thing for reason that certainly have nothing to do with my favorite magic card, null rod.
>>97601677Are you for real right now? Maybe if your deck has an obvious weakness you should try to prevent people from exploiting it.
>>97601677Run more than Naturalize effect or typeless removal.If your deck can't handle threats OR work around disruption, then it's not a good deck.
>>97601683I can tell through psychic brainwaves that you are a gay faggotron.
>>97601688I know EDH players fail the Maxx C argument with Rhystic Study but now I'm having to see them fail the Mystic Mine test too. There are no new conversations.
>>97601711>Blood Moon is Mystic MineNo, Bone Ward is.
>>97601711>Maxx C argument Are you retarded? Maxx C takes no resource investment to pull off from your hand, and will guarantee a card draw even if your opponent is smart. Rhystic will almost coordinated, and acts as a soft tax against anyone with half a brain.Do you actually play either game?
>>97601704Hells yeah, this is fine.>>97601711I love yugioh. I am currently beating every single duel in Link Evolution over and over again with a variety of increasingly insane deck because I am autistic, but those arguments do not apply here, and I'm pretty sure Maxx C is limited in the OCG. But you are an idiot.Blood moon attacks an entirely seperate axis that does not exist in yugioh and is a lot more closely aligned with a floodgate, or card crush virus, but much worse than that because you still get the resources. Vanity's fiend or dimensional fissure is a fairly close comparison, but neither let you use a modified version of the resource. Maybe a kaiju? Anyways, if your deck relies on the activity the card stops, you either need to build your deck in a way that can push through the floodgate, scoop and go to sideboard, or go faster than they can set up the floodgate. This isnt legacy. People arent mulliganing to spirit guide and ancient tomb t1 because they know you're playing like czech pile, and you're getting blasted by broadside, this is commander, and you should reasonably be able to use red or colourless mana with your basics to solve your problem, scoop because you decided to accept that risk and cannot answer it, or talk to someone else in a similiar situation to help you. This is not goddamned mystic mine.
>>97599491>Seething about itlol
>>97599437That was a set-wide accident. Every white card in Torment came out low-res.
>>97601776>>97601776>>97601776>>97601776>>97601776NEW LET'S GO
Blood Moon is sort of a bell curve where it punishes both extremely bad deckbuilding and extremely greedy deckbuilding.In eternal formats (Modern/Legacy) you generally just have to accept that your manabase loses to Blood Moon a lot of the time because the number of games you'll lose from Blood Moon (very few) is less than the games you lose because you drew a basic when you needed fixing. This isn't helped by how there's more monocolor decks (and just red decks in general) in eternal formats meaning that Blood Moon is broadly a worse option, even before getting into how you'll often be in a lost position before you can even cast it (again barring extremely lucky hands like opening CoT/Guide into no Force).On the opposite end of the spectrum, it punishes retards running whatever shitty budget taplands WotC jammed into the precon and they thought "Wow more colors is better than fewer colors! All my lands should be nonbasics because there's no drawback as long as I shell out for the expensive ramp!" It punishes bad players in am extremely noticeable way.Now in the middle, where casual EDH should ideally be played, Blood Moon is manageable for most decks because they can afford to run a healthy basic count. The format is slow enough that generally the immediate consistent fixing isn't as much of a big deal, so the primary group it hits are 4c/5c decks, which do genuinely deserve more punisher options because this is already the strongest type of deck.This isn't Maxx C. This isn't Mystic Mine. It's more akin to someone running Negate Attack then you get pissed your Galaxy-Eyes OTK didn't work.
>>97601588Ahhh.... But anon-san, is it good deck building if your deck folds to a single card? Mmmm?
>>97601810It's the same argument as the Mystic Mine defenders who told players they should be running spell based backrow removal in the main deck in a game where backrow removal was almost too narrow to fully justify three slots in the side deck, especially in diverse rogue formats. "There are answers, just play them and draw them" has never been a good argument for silver bullets.
>>97601891The difference is that you will have a lot more time in a casual game of EDH to draw a basic with a much higher chance of having one to begin with. It's not like YGO where you had to draw Cosmic Cyclone AKA the worst fucking card of all-time that did nothing but stop Mystic Mine.
>>97601810>>97601891And yeah, the answer in competitive formats is to eat the loss due to probability. But casual EDH isn't the same as tournament gameplay. Play patterns being unfun or restrictive defeats the point of the exercise. It's like playing Eradicator Epidemic Virus in a for-fun Edison game after locals.
>>97601891>they should be running spell based backrow removal in the main deck in a game where backrow removal was almost too narrow to fully justify three slots in the side deckEDH is 99 card decks, retard-kun. Run some removal or outrace the hatepiece.
>>97601891And why do you think that's a real answer, rather than an excuse?
>>97601891>Naturalize is a silver bullet
>>97601998Blood Moon is the silver bullet.
>>97602012Then why bitch about losing to it?
>>97602029Because it leads to unsatisfying games in a format where the whole point is having a good time.
>have cruelclaw out>play goblin recruiter>grab muxus and up to 6 other goblins>smack somebody>slap muxus and a ridiculous number of goblins onto the field
>>97599521whenever you find yourself asking "why does this card exist?" the answer is almost always "because limited needed the effect"
Blood moon, winter moon, back to basics should all be allowed in b3
What's the most fun toolbox commander?
>>97601891Is Harpy's Feather Duster not a thing anymore?
>>97600604Maybe I'll rebuild them
>>97602045the "good time" is only possible when both you and your opponents run enough interaction, including but not limited to: stax, spot removal, counterspells, wraths and discardI fucking despise games where nothing happens due to faggots just building their little value engines and don't attacking anyone
