Previous >>97596161Form over function edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQTell us about your deck with an unusual or gimmicky gameplay, that tries to play a specific way rather than focusing on power
>>97601776Oooooocean man
>>97601776Every deck I make is like that. Winning? Normal things. Doing something stupid that can easily kill me too? That's the shit.
Get to 11 power, attack another player. Pretty unique huh?
>TQYou think I'm smart enough to make gimmicky plays? I'm the retard who had to look at my collection while upgrading my Auntie Ool precon for a silly amount of hours before I realized tree of perdition and soul immolation could be a good win-con for it.while only having to change one card so it wouldn't fall out of being a 2.
>>97601814Like 11/10 on those websites?
>>97601776>TQ Brudiclad has been one of my favorite decks to play over the years. I try to have the deck built in a way that I get to make like a dozen+ copies of Wurmcoil Engine or Master of Etherium. Pic related has been a very welcome redundancy piece.
>>97601825>draw a dracula>call it "human"Sasuga japan
Realistically how many copies of Shadowborn Apostle should a deck run?
BROKE: Nicol BolasWOKE: UginJOKE: Niv-Mizzet
>>97601776>Tell us about your deck with an unusual or gimmicky gameplay, that tries to play a specific way rather than focusing on powerMy Slivers deck, in which I attempt to play slivers without getting wrathed every turn.So far it has not worked out.
>>97601776>ban most of the banlist>bring back the commander tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>UB is banned by default in EDHThere. I fixed the format.
>>97601884>>bring back the old legendary ruleclone meta
>TQDoes this count? I only use champion/behold as protection for more powerful goblins to dodge board wipes and etc.
>>97601884>bring back the old legendary ruleWhich one?
>>97601894>clone meta...and that's a good thing!
>>97601776>TQI have a shitty goad deck that has no real wincon outside of somehow getting a big mob rule off.The actual point of the deck is just to control the pace of the game a little. Most of my removal is bounce spells and the like so people can recast their shit, it just sets them back on tempo so I can slow down an archenemy while people catch-up. Otherwise I just swing out every turn to force people to attack eachother instead of trying to engage in cold war politics.No, it doesn't win games. It's not supposed to, I'm just here to treat the game like an interactive movie where I can steer things into a specific direction. It's a lot of fun, people often forget you're forcing them to do stupid shit when you're also bailing them out from the archenemy.
>>97601871At least 23
>>97601942>outside of somehow getting a big mob rule off.pretty consistent honestly
What keyword soup commanders are fun?
>>97601968Roger akroma
>>97601968Abi! Abi! Abi!
>>97601882>GayBolas>GayUgin>GayNiv-MizzetThey are dragons. They are gay.
>>97602008But not all dragons are gay. I can think of two, one which only kind of counts.
>>97602024Kind of wish this didn't have that second effect.I just want to steal all your rocks, I don't want to do a cringe alt win.
>>97602034Alt wins are amazing. Game's gotta end some time. But here's the other one that might be more your speed.
>>97601968Kathril does alright
>>97602024Is this a gay dragon?
>>97602051I still find it funny how lazy the naming was for Kathril and Lathril. They didn't even more more than one key over from K,
>>97602046It's more so it puts a target on it when I'm primarily just using it to deramp people or force someone to crack all their treasures in response to being attacked by it. Card is better for presenting that alt threat wincon, I just like using it as a way to punish Artifact players because I hate how that archtype functions.Bonehoard Dracosaur is kind of cool though, impulse draw is really fun.
>>97602055Nah. That's a straight dragon. Like glorybringer. This one, however...>>97602072But why would you ever cast him without anger in the graveyard?
>>97602080Because I'm a greedy bastard that wants a second scoop to hit the other guy who played sol ring into a signet.Thankfully, almost all of these problems are solved if you play it in pic rel.
>ausiticaly track all my commander games the past year>in 4-player pods my fastest deck wins in an average of 8.68 turnsI don't build super-fast combo decks. Is this acceptable? I feel like it is, because I prefer games that last around 9-12 turns.
>>97602150Depends on a variety of factors. Can I see your list or can you describe it?
>>97602150Are you having fun with that deck? Is your pod having fun with that deck?
>>97602080I'm gonna need you to clear one more dragon for me. I've been thinking of demoting Bosh to the 99 and running him as my commander instead but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with having a gay dragon in the command zone.
>>97602212Whoops forgot the picture!
>>97602024Incorrect. At a fundamental level all dragons are homosexual.
>>97602270Does this extend to wannabes like Drakes and Sarkhan?
>>97602270Even the girl dragons?
>>97602270just like vampires, altho they tend to be really really balanced "bisexual".
>>97602270Incorrect. At a fundamental level all dinosaurs can change sex.
>>97602358what an ass
>>97602155No.>>97602211Yes. All of our games are evenly matched based on power level.
>>97601871One
>>97602470Nothing wrong with me
>>97601776>Tell us about your deck with an unusual or gimmicky gameplay, that tries to play a specific way rather than focusing on powerJon Irenicus and Relentless rats. The deck started with only him + 50 rats, the 5 trigger doublers in his colors, and counterspells to stop removal for Jon/boardwipes only. Then I realized I was drawing too fast and didn't have enough mana to keep up with all these fuckin rats in my hand so I took 10 rats out and put 10 manarocks in. I roll a d6 to see who gets the rats (1/2 for player 1, 3/4 for player 2, 5/6 for player 3). The goal isn't to win, just to flood the table with a shitload of rats because I think it's funny
>>97601871Completely depends on the commander/draw engine/how many demons you want to include>t. someone building one of each deck atm
>>97602493no persistent petitioners? you hate blue that much?
>>97601776More of a hypothetical but I might turn Cruelclaw into a retarded goblin combo deck.>play goblin recruiter with cruelclaw out>muxus + however many additional goblins>at low power levels could do just do 3 token generators and 3 lords>at bracket 3 could do kiki + token generators + lords, or do it several times with behold / champion goblins & skirk prospector>at bracket 4 could just turn it into an infinite with behold / champion + kiki + skirk prospector
>>97602500I already built it over a year ago. Got very lucky with a random shop dumping their stock of 38 on tcgplayer for 30cents each, so I bought them all. It's headed by Sokrates as a stall/draw engine
>this is my upgraded precon>it only has a few changesThis is code for I want to stomp noobs and bad decks. So sick of people at my lgs saying this.
>>97602224Straight heterosexual dragon.>>97602270No, this is also a gay dragon. Many are straight, but certainly not all of them. Ojutai and Dramoka? Gay. Atarka? Straight. Savage ventmaw? Also straight. Enduring Scalelord? Gay.
>>97602534What do you mean? That's what a noob deck is. all; a precon with a few changes is the bare minimum.
>>97602572How can it be a gay dragon if it fucks a human woman?
>>97602578He's talking about tryhard sweaties that put a dozen GC/$30+ cards in with $100+ in land upgrades just for the sake of saying "upgraded precon" which is usually supposed to be like bracket 2.5ish
All dragons are gay. Any other opinion is pure cope.
>>97602609You would know, cock expert.>>97602583Still gay. All furries are gay by default. Like this, hella gay.
>>97602534I built a chatterfang deck combining the G/B strixhaven and bloomburrow precons that pub stomped my LGS
>>97602591The fuck are you talking about? Did you fall down the stairs and enter the gay dragon dimension or something? If it fits the rules, it's that bracket. 2 and 3 are practically identical hugboxes for dorks. Between 3 and 4 you have dumbasses who build hugbox decks, and people who build genuinely insane efficient offmeta cedh decks designed to fuck. That is the only power gap, chum, because a deck with gamechangers is not necessarily good, but a deck builder afraid of them is bad.
>>97602635
>>97602650Go on then, explain what a 2.5 is and why it isnt brain damage?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97602676pauper commander is really quick because of the 30 starting life
>>97602046>Dinosaur card>Above-curve retarded value engine
>>97602652It's like a saffron olive against the odds standard deck, which is like a 0.5 of a standard deckErgo a 2.5 deck is an against the odds 3 it makes perfect sense in the minds of casuals
>>97602733>no, good cards can't exist, especially not for an archetype I don't like
I am still angry about turtles.
>>97602733Dragon. A dragon card.>>97602737Wut.
>>97602761>wutExactly
>>97602743just think of u.b. as silver border cards.don't include them, and make it a rule zero not to play with sloptards that use them.
>>97602766but I have three
>>97602766Harry potter UB will drive out the troons though, how ironic that you hate the cure
>>97602740Dinosaurs are for cringe retards
>>97602767- trade binder- store credit >>97602771Harry gets a pass if some how wotc actually goes with it and doesn't Netflix the fug out of it
>>97602771TRUE
>>97602771Harry Potter UB will kill the game
>>97602783Uh oh tranny melty
>>97602783Then it will truly be our saviorAll hail the Boy Who Lived
>>97602572>infectMost gay dragon
>>97602771>>97602783I personally wouldn't care about a Harry Potter UB but WotC dropped a hard confirmation recently that it's not happening.
Give me one reason why I shouldn't put TOR and Rhystic Study in every deck
>>97602831You gotta go fast.
>>97602830Until Hasbro tells them to make it happen, and then it happensMaRo lies as easily as he breathes
>>97602831If you wanna play with like-minded players/decks, there's no reason not to. My LGS keeps bracket 4+ players separate from the rest and when someone brings sweaty cards to the casual/fun tables, the game automatically goes 3v1 and good luck with that
>>97602831TOR is not a real magic card
>>97602846realer than your dick
>>97602860>Where a UBfaggot's mind goes firstLol, lmao even.
>>97602024Dragons are the gayest fantasy creature, no exceptions.
>>97602866Kappa are gayer. Dragons are a close second.
When will they make a rakdos commander that isnt just cedh combo slop? I cant find one that grabs me. Lord of riots is cool but its one note
>>97602866>>97602937Nah, furries are in first place by a country mile. Nobody has ever legitimately liked kobolds or gnolls as a species without being a zoophile who wants to get fucked by animals.
>combo-averse to the point of cutting them in the most corner cases>deck can only create the most teeth-gnashing slog of an endboard imaginable without themIt's very enjoyable grinding the game out and reaching that point, but holy fuck. I need to stop playing Mewgenics so I can get off my ass and build a new deck. It's hard to quit control though. The average LGS player runs such a value pile deck, and they just run away with the game if you don't stop them.
>>97602830>WotC dropped a hard confirmation recently that it's not happening.i remember wotc promising that secret lairs wont lead into UB standard sets, yet here we are
>>97602831>Give me one reason why I shouldn't put TOR and Rhystic Study in every deckif you've modeled your b3 deck akin to cedh esper midrange, sure go for those two as your GCsjust know that there are other cedh archetypes that can be ported into b3 too:>necro turbo>lands>big mana>storm>commander toolboxthat would prioritize other things like necropotence and cradle
>>97602949Is there even a single madness card in rakdos that's cedh?
>>97603019underworld breach and necropotence are just too good not to run in rakdos
>>97603024Okay but you see how that argument is bullshit, though, right? >name a commander>YES BUT THESE GAMECHANGERS ARE TOO GOOD YOU HAVE TO RUN THEMYou could make that argument about every single commander in the game, in which case why even bother playing? Just quit.
>>97603036this is why i keep telling people to just stay in b2 because b3 is just going to be cedh lite as gamechangers - as the name suggest - are absolutely worth building around
>>97603036If you are running blackYou should be running necropotenceIf you are running whiteYou should be running smothering titheIf you are running redYou should be running breachIf you are running blue,You should be running rhystic studyIf you are playing green, You should be running seedborn museThis is 100% objective and only people who are bad and/or poor think otherwise. Deal with it.
What strategy leads to the least amount of do-nothing games? I wanna look at cardboard and cast spells but as of recent most of my decks have failed to get out of the ramping stage before someone pushes my shit in.
>>97603052buh buh buuuuh based alert
>>97603048God I cannot agree more with this. Especially since "bracket 3" is just the new "eh this deck is like a 7" bullshit we had to go through for all those years in the past.
>>97603048I tell people not to use newfag bracket shit
>>97603053Nondeterministic storm, of course.
>>97603109>doesn't follow brackets because it's made by wotc>follows the banlist because it's made by wotc
>>97603125Pay no attention to the whimpering of autistics and their crippling fear of change.
>>97603124>thassa's oracle>underworld breach>3rd GC of your choice>this faggotyeah go brrr and see what happens!
>>97603109Every deck i play is bracket #5 because i am miles better than everyone on the table.
>>97603139Why would you do that when you can run all the best tutors and run KCI?>>97603174That's not what bracket 5 is. It's the autismal groupthink datamined zone.
>>97603200>Why would you do that when you can run all the best tutors and run KCI?mainly because it's easier to port existing cedh strats instead of creating new ones that just so happen to not cut it at cedh but are strong enough for b3 given the "no infinites/game enders/locks before turn 6" rule that LGSs have more or less agreed onan artifact based combo deck revolving around KCI would be nice to see, you don't see that in cedh anymore
I have a deck that creates a lot of treasures, a deck that makes a lot of bloods, and a deck that makes a straight up dumb amount of clues. I wanna keep the cycle/theme going for food, but nothing seems like it'd be good enough
>>97601776Dont think it directly answers the question but my bracket 2 brago decks main wincon is infinite pyxis of pandemoniums to exile everyones decks but 1 card and then give everyone one more turn to show me what theyve got. Alternatively milling and playing everyones creatures with Dino Dna or casting everyones spells with Chaos Wand.
>>97603210To paraphrase, you dont know how to brew a deck like that? Try? It's not particularly difficult. I have an insane monstrosity thats b4 I guess, but you can build a wide variety of things that are much more powerful than the average b3 thing without a lot of effort. Most combo decks are extremely fragile if you pair them down, just make some cascade value pile.
What's the biggest and best big green deck out there? It used to be Azusa, who is it now?
>>97603264Lumra
>>97603264That weird bear, I think? You missed the period where this was the best.
>>97603247we all know teshar but an artifact deck that doesn't fold when the commander dies would be ideal, as b3 would be chock full of kinnans and vivis all demanding to be killed on sight>just make some cascade value pile.speaking of cascade zhuludok will 100% be a contender in b3
>>97603284Personally I made a rather fucked up jeskai list with Kykar, but that guy could work. My KCI deck is also an aristocrats deck because I am a crazy person who knows no moderation.
>>97603227What's the rub? I tried doing a Treaure subtheme for Imskir, but it never really came together. Granted I tried to do it on a budget.
Need more cards that turn off faggot keywords
>>97603326
>>97603331I know others exists, but we need more.
>>97603278how is she
>>97601968I like them. Odric himself is a lot of fun. Gives value to all the various 1/1 nonsense creatures that just happen to have a good keyword or two that you may have never once given a second glance. Similarly with equipment. Also fuck that play test card reminds me how much I wish the boros Odric was even remotely playable. If they're going to make Odric a fucking vampire then I would have wanted him to be at least as playable as his other versions. It's the only thing I'm hoping for from a proper Innistrad return.
>>97603331To think that this art is almost cool, and then you notice he's not holding a gun.
>>97603427What self-respecting gunman draws before the duel?
>>97603335Titiana? Insane. Basically more consistent omnath. Angry omnath. But not the angeriest omnath. Gruuk omnath.
>>97603442"duel" is already over. Notice the corpses.
>>97601968Does changeling actually work on this with layers?
>>97603053>the ramping stageBuild a deck that simply wants to play stuff over ramp. If you have any commanders that aren't quite mana hungry, you may be able to adjust one of those by taking out the mana rocks and ramp spells rather than building a whole new deck. Think something <5 CMC.
>>97603326>Shay Cormac>Shadowspear>Arcane Lighthouse + Detection Tower>Dress Down>Ixidron (unless it's enchanted/equipped/something generic like Eldrazi monument is in play)
>>97603427Wizards use magic missile
>>97603559Forgot Day of the Black Sun, Curious Colossus, and Sudden Spoiling
Who is the most fun toolbox commander?
If the autistic hivemind would indulge me, I’d like to suggest a couple new mechanics. I think it’s good exercise to try and find worthwhile design space for the game.>Conversion (Primarily Green, Secondary Red/Black): Whenever a counter would be placed on a permanent you control, instead do x effectColors may be wrong since Blue is the artifice color and this seems pretty artifice based, but it’s the mechanic I feel the strongest about. >Mirage (Primarily White, Secondary Blue/Green): Whenever you would create an artifact token, instead create a copy of any permanent you control with MirageWizards realized they love random token artifacts so the mechanic scales with power creep and fits color pie. Overcasted mechanic held up by undercosted token support Wizard’s loves printing>Universal(All colors): This card has no color identityThis is the most likely and least interesting mechanic to happen. It’s only a matter of time before WoTC decides to codify a way for every deck to run any color.
>>97603594
>>97603599>bounce (return target permanent to owner's hand)i don't know why they still refuse to keyword this they already accepted mill
>>97603594Zirilan of the Claw
>>97603594there's only one
>>97603608Great point but to be clear post relatively new concepts as mechanics. Lots of bounce effects already exist, not a ton of “mirage” or “conversion” effects (that I know of)
>>97603487Layers have nothing to do with it>Gaining changeling or devoid works exactly how you would expect it to unless you’ve spent too much time looking at the Magic rules. Always check the rulings for the cards.
Dumb idea I just had: The colored mana symbol. You can pay for it with any color of mana (not colorless). In addition if a cost has two or more of them, each must be paid with a different color of mana.
>>97603639dumb
>>97603639For what fucking reason.
>>97603639Like a 5 color hybrid?
You can put any card face down as basically a treasure token, but its exiled rather than sacrificed when you use it.There, I fixed getting mana fucked.
>>97603639Seems too narrow for its own symbol, but I would be down for it as a set mechanic.
>>97603650>Turn 1 set 6 Ad Naus
2W enchantmentTarget non-land permanent phases out.Non-land permanents can't phase in.
>>97603660Just make it one mana if you're going to powercreep it so much.
>>97603650You're gonna wind up inventing Duel Masters eventually and I think that would be awesome.
>>97603639>>97603639>In addition if a cost has two or more of them, each must be paid with a different color of mana.
>>97603639>Spend only colored mana to cast [cardname]>When [cardname] enters, if (mana cost) different colors of mana were spent to cast it (do thing)
>>97603650Wizard Tower/The Stack or whatever it's called. Take a few hundred random cards and put in a giant stack in the middle and it's everyone's library. Except you don't sacrifice the "treasures", you just put cards you don't want to play face down and they're lands that tap for any color
>>97603668w-wait. Is there any effect like this in actual Magic? Because this sounds tight as fuck
>>97603704Yes you just described Converge. Here's a nice example I put in my 3c decks with black
Pactbound (A deck can only have one Pactbound card. At the beginning of your upkeep, put a Pact counter on this permanent.)(This keyword is only put on nonlegendary cards).
>>97603765Proliferate goes brrrrrrrrrr
>>97602098Scion10x better than Ur-Dragon
>>97603773Anything to move it away from poison and loyalty counters.
>People were freaking out a bit about this creature>Its a 2 dollar nothing burger no one cares to use because its a 7 cost shit pile.
intensify is experience counters put they can't be proliferated
>>97603785Agreed. It's defacto, the coolest Dragon commander thanks to all the cool shit enables like suddenly turning into Immersturm predator when your opponent tries to kill it, mana doubling with Beledros, and so much more.Downside is that it's 5 color so it can quickly devolve into a slop pile if you optimize for it but I hold it dear to my heart for all the cool shit it can do that functions at a variety of play levels.
>>97603326Indestructible is barely even viable anymore given how much remove now is -x/sac/exile based.
>>97603825It was one retard arguing it was gonna warp the format because you could blink it. Everyone else knew a 7 mana soft board wipe wasn't going to make waves.
>>97604164Retard
Is 5 fetches, sylvan safekeeper, exploration & oracle of mull daya enough synergy to make running a crucible effect or two worthwhile?
>I play Basalt Monolith tutor Mesmering Orb and Thassa's Oracle. I mill my entire library and win.Who enjoys shit like this? It was in the middle of an otherwise interesting game.
>>97604337i do.i enjoy winning.run some interaction or head over to the precon table at the back end of your LGS, cuck.
>>97603828start your engines is like experience counters that can't be proliferated
>>97602635You're definitely the kind of fag I was talking about.
Good commanders for Shadowborn Apostle other than Kaalia? I really don't want to build another mardu deck, I already have 3
>>97604345solitaire comes preloaded, champ. waste your time there, not everyone else's
>>97604475run interaction, champ.
>>97604408Athreos God of Passage is the go-to
>>97604501be less boring, champ.
>>97604408Taborax
>>97604501>run interactionI thought you liked winning?
Have you guys ever disassembled a deck because you felt it was no longer viable? My persist combo deck and my araumi deck felt that way, it was so sad. Maybe my lgs is too tryhard, the games are over turns 5-8
I got hexing squelcher from a booster pack, should I add it to my Nekusar deck or sell it to buy cards for a Mr. House deck?
>>97604506>God of PassageThat sounds a little gay dude>>97604539>TaboraxYeah I guess he seems fine. Draw engine in the command zone is a little boring but not a bad recommendation if nothing better comes along I guess.
>>97604608Keep it, it's really not as valuable as anyone predicted it would be. At about $10 right now, when people really thought it was gonna be 40-50
>>97604605yeah, disassembled pic related after four months because she became too slow and the creatures did not impact the board at all. deck was all wheels and some group hug spell. I had fun piloting it but I could not play it with my current playgroup
>>97604605>no longer viableNo>never viableYesMy darling insect queen. Hungertide is just objectively better in the command zone.
>>97604648>do thing draw cardDeserved to be punished.Play the tranny cat from FF, as much as it pains me to recommend UB slop
>>97603326>>97604164anyway, phase out
>>97604676ok, resolves
>>97604658>do thing draw cardit's the exact opposite you retard
>>97604713if you actually run this you deserve the win
>>97604548Babies demand they be allowed to do the thing, real players expect to be stopped at every turn
>>97604641We kept telling you it was a cedh only card, clearly you didnt listen
>sorry bro, time for teferis protection/free maneuver/fog lmaoI will now cascade for 10 minutes per turn out of spite
What deck is hearthstone warlock?
>>97602034Pretty sure no one has actually won a game with the alt wincon
>>97605115>[laughs in microsoft lettuce]
>>97604360You mean someone understands magic fundamentals and makes you insecure?
>>97605115I have, with my Magda deck. Funniest shit ripping it out of my library and windmill slamming it out onto the battlefield during someone's ends endstep while I have 20+ Treasure/artifacts in play.
>>97605115Its the weakest of the alt-win cons in my Obeka, breaker of seconds deck but I have won with it.
>>97605226what's it going to be? mechanized production? darksteel reactor?
Is building her as the world's worst John Benton impersonator going to be a bad idea or perhaps might it be fun?
>>97605115Do you have any idea how easy it is to accrue 20+ artifact tokens?
>>97605268Do you have any idea how hard it is to not win with 20+ treasures?
>>97605278Not the only commander that can create a straight up stupid amount of artifact tokens. Flicker this dude a few times and I'll get 20 in two turns
>>97605286Okay what if your opponents aren't stupid and take the 1 damage?
>>97605268Sex with dragons
>>97605307>>97605278Is the argument here that it's hard to make 20 artifacts?
>>97605343Yes. The argument is in-fact "It is hard to make 20 artifacts and have no way to win with 19."
>>97605354Personally, as a crazy person, it would be the goal, but a happy accident of regular gameplay.
>>97605307>I would never do this so that means people are stupid if they do itI forgot how annoying it is having discussions with narcissistic dipshits
>>97605307>keep flickering him>they keep taking the 1 damage>they loseoh no, anyway
>>97605379>I will flicker my commander 40 times unimpeded because I play against goldfish
>>97605368Yes it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Tempting Contract and Tempt with Discovery are bad deals. If you take the deal you are bad and deserve to lose.
>>97605385Like yourself. You dont flicker it 40 times. You flicker it N times, where N is the miles of cock in your anus, at instant speed, during the endstep before your turn. It really isnt that hard. Competitive? Eh, no. But it appears you lack imagination, and before you go "but how though", I can think of quite a few different ways, some more magical christmas land than others.
>>97603668Why not cut out the middle man at that point and just play Duel Masters instead?
Who is this supposed to appeal to?
>>97605417Me, actually. Are they instantly sold or could I reasonably acquire this?
>>97605417Japanese farmers perhaps?
>>97605397Okay I cast Silence with Split Second from Shadow the Hedgehog (which I drew from my 99). I then sacrifice Emergence Zone to cast Ruinous Ultimatum and Wit's End, also with Split Second since we're making shit up. Then I flash out Rest In Peace and Helm of Obedience. Also with Split Second. Go next?
>>97605422$30 plus tax, tip, and shipping from slopcret lair
>>97605247Revel in riches and mechanized production are te other two in the deck.
>>97605429>running shadow the hedgehog in a vampires deckWhat did you mean by this?
>>97605429No one is making shit up. You can flicker it infinite times with two additional cards dumbass.>>97605433I looked. Why the fuck would I want shitty cycle lands and jace's archivist? Like cool man, art is sick, cards are bong water.
>>97605441He's an honorary vampire
>>97605442Does this "secret combo" happen to involve any of the following obvious combo piece cards:>Deadeye Navigator>Krark-Clan Ironworks>Emiel the Blessed>Academy Manufactor>Eldrazi Displacer
>>97605442I lied. It got me. I'm mostly going to put them in my binder because I think they're neat if I survive the queue and dont get raped by shipping.
>>97605464No. It's not secret, I'm just being smug because you're having a bit of a fit. It involves that stupid commander I dont play that you think is bad and two other cards.
>>97601776>Tell us about your deck with an unusual or gimmicky gameplay, that tries to play a specific way rather than focusing on powerStiltzkin. It's a grindy stax deck that slows down the game and wins by donating nine lives, delaying shield or transcendence to opponents at the right time. I also donate asymmetrical stax pieces and tokens to other players for card advantage with Stiltzkin. Playing it, it's a bit like jiu jutsu in mtg form.
>>97605474>Hehe yes I can do an infinite combo that loops this card creating me infinite mana and letting me draw my whole deck>This means it's somehow correct for my opponents to let me make 4 clues when I cast him instead of losing 1 life
>>97605464Well, two of those cards already are invalid because Wernog is the commander and thus we know the color identity of the deck. You're not as clever as you presume. >>97605444Liking big booty Latina girls is not inherently a vampire trait, as it turns out.
>>97605492He has partner with UB: Stanger Things
>>97605482Nope. Doesnt make infinite mana or infinite card draw. And it doesnt matter, if they dont let me make infinite tokens they simply die. You arent very good at this.
>>97601814It's like Tifa, but shit.
>>97605466>Implying these are at any risk of selling out anytime soonlol. The queue is gone and you can just buy them right now. They're not even low stock.
>>97605501>Yeah you see when I flicker this creature infinite times, the damage kills you! This means you should NEVER take the damage!
>>97605520Yup. I waited in the stupid queue, but I got this silly, silly pile of useless cards because I am an idiot. That's alright, happy birthday to me.>>97605523That's not what I said, or what we're talking about.
>>97605549I mean I can't throw shade, I bought the Shadowheart bundle because I want to have sex with her (Same with Karlach, same with the inevitable Lae'zel pack. Enjoy your cards.
>>97605520he is a pig who eats slop, what did you expect
>>97605561>I bought the Shadowheart bundle because I want to have sex with herReasonable reaction desu senpai, enjoy your cards
>>97605561Thanks anon. Karlach is better than shadowheart, who I find insufferable, but hope you enjoy your silly meme cards too.>>97605567I'm a post modern dickhead, who likes vaugley insulting cardboard, what can I say.
>>97605591>Who I find insufferableI never said I wanted to hear her talk, I just like goth chicks and elves, so the combo is right up my alley.
>>97605605Okay, a man of culture I see. I support this.
How much will I regret after making a winota deck?
>>97605617I mean, you can still build her for <$10 so even if you get hated off the table oh well at least you got to pop off for cheap thrills
>>97605617I regret nothing, ever. You shouldnt either. It's a lesson or a good idea every time.
>>97601776>Tell us about your deck with an unusual or gimmicky gameplay, that tries to play a specific way rather than focusing on powerMy Orvar Racism deck.So, most people familiar with Orvar know about how Whim of Volrath is really strong with him, but I run him with a bunch of the "color hacking" spells, a bunch of color hate enchantments to clone and edit the text on, and mid-sized colorless creatures to use as threats that get under my own color hate cards.
>>97605549POV: Dementia
So i really like Ninjas. I gave up on my Yuriko deck because it was just way too strong for my playgroup, and now i have a bunch of ninja cards laying around. The new set gave us pic related, who theoretically can be a new commader for a ninjas deck, except he runs into a big problem - How the fuck are ninjas actually meant to win the game? Ninjas just don't hit hard and most of them generate minor value for doing so, but trying to win a game of commander just by hitting your opponents with anemic ninjas is almost impossible. Yuriko fixed this by turning ninja hits into big damage, but she went too far in the opposite direction. How is a "fair" ninjas deck supposed to win?
>>97605664Draw into mass evasion/sleep and swing after you loaded your field. Punish blockers to maintain ahead.
>>97605664Why did you think ninjas want to win the game?
Time to once again, brew a tribal deck.
>>97605736>sloppy as fuck, uneven mana symbolsGod that looks like such complete trash
>>97605820America does not care about perfection, we are here just to love freedom and fuck shit up.
>>97605736>custom cardBased.>Slop FighterCringe.
Am i based or cringe?
>>97605063monoblack with necropotence and or necrodominance
>>97605885Your markov is better off in b2
>>97605900Is it that bad :(
>>97605885edgar markov is cringe nigga
>>97605916Source?
>>97605820Spotted the Canadian Hockey Team.
>>97605063
>>97605885>Mikubased and I don't care what anyone else says
>>97605930None of that shit, George Springer. Hockey is silly, olympic hockey even sillier, and mostly canadians dislike that everything in canada now sucks, even hockey.
>>97603825>>97604174What the fuck are you guys on about? This card won 2 games I've been in. Incredibly easy to cheat in - being said. If it was 'EACH' opponent's creatures, it would be giga busted.
>>97605063https://archidekt.com/decks/17411880/dark_bargainHere's my monoblack deck based entirely off of as many dark confidant-likes I could get.
What mono color commanders are even CEDH viable?I know magda, but what else
>>97606069Krrik
>>97606069That green thing from Bloomburrow is cedh viable I'm pretty sure.
>>97606069Lumra and K'rrik are the ones that are actually viable. Selvala players also swear Selvala is viable.
>>97605885Cringe, basic. My turn
>>97605885Let me critique your Miku list
I think ive been hyper cucked.>have stolen grand abolisher>cast timestop with split second (stolen shadow the hedgehog) on opponents upkeep>cleanup -> discard >monument of endurance triggers>opponent combos out
>>97604713>cross eyed chinklmao
>>97606236Dominaria United and Brothers' War was the most gay race communist poisoned sets of the COVID era.
>>97605664I'm having a similar problem, I have a deck that's basically esper flying men with a commander that serves as anthem, but I'm having trouble closing out games. in red I could extra combat, but I'm failing to kill on the backswing here. I've got removal, I've got wipes, I've got coastal piracy effects to draw back up, but what keeps happening is someone says "hey he just drew three cards" or "that siren stormtamer just hit me for four damage" and I get wiped enough times I run out of counterspells and/or just plain old beat down.I've got anthems already, both p/t and keywords. there's probably some solution I'm just not seeing. shove genji glove in for the extra combat? fogs? more asymmetric boardwipes? some control finisher creature?
>>97606069Urza?
>>97606317Sadly, no. Powercrept, though there is some new technology.
>>97606148Sure take a look! Ik it still needs a lot of improvement tho.https://moxfield.com/decks/1ksz8eCtjEi9P4RurG2PdAAlso Edgar cannibalized Authority of the Consuls from this deck, I'll have to get a second one some time.
>show friend my new battlecruiser gruul deck>"cool, what's the theme?">stare at him, then mumble something about cascade and etali and big guys>"oh... okay..."now I have to build around a fucking """theme""" to impress my fucking normalfag bastard friend? since when are standards so high?
>>97606408>I don't want to crave the approval of my friend, but i must.
>>97606408You can just say the theme is big creatures.
>>97606408You're just uncreative. I always say something like "ennui" or "the taco bell experience".
>>97606294your problem sounds like you have all this funny stuff on the battlefield doing funny stuff, while your opponents just do one simple but effective thing. what you need to do is to either find a more effective way to activate a simpler gameplay, or you accept that you need to run a bunch of "I win" cards
>>97605422Give it some time. They may end up online at a decent price. Doesn't seem like anyone wanted this one.
>>97606294>esper flying swingingThere’s so many ways to win..Calculating lichWithstand board wipesMoonshaker cavalryHave insurance for board wipes like grim haruspexArchetype of imagination Literal counterspells
>>97606496Too late.
A man sits at your table and you all shuffle up and reveal your commanders. You see this on the other size of the table. What do you do?
>>97605664You aren't allowed to play this card or I will shit my pants
>>97605591>this lair sold out in like an hourKind of wondering why since it has mediocre cards and looks hideous.
>>97606602It has a very specific post modern style, the last set (with good cards) is outrageously valuable, and the clothing brand is the type of place selling blank hoodies for $400 usd.I just liked the art, honestly, but I'm a weird pretentious art fag.
>>97606586Act like a mature adult and just play the game.
>>97606619As someone who loves the weird cards these are just hideous mainly due to the borders rather than the art.
>>97606586>want to build this>also don't want to because the art actually repulses me
>>97606558God bless your wallet anon. Good luck.
>>97606687Show me some weird cards you like. The frame is supossed to be an homage to old border, I'm sure they'll look better in person. Personally, I really liked the Mogg guy and the stinkweed imp. They look like some old 40k art.
>>97606619???The most expensive pack is sitting at like 120$ for foil lands. Not even Ghost of Tsushima tier, much less something like Jaws. But those lands look cool, this pack looks like shit. Pre-sale has it at 120$ but I bet it falls to 80-100 within 6 months.
>>97606586I like what this fucker is doing. Animating artifacts in golgari is cool. But I don't want fucking Pizza Face looking at me in my own command zone. I don't even mind turtles but this guy is too much. Is there anything else in those colors that does something like he does?
>>97606450I'm not running pet cards, at worst cards that just have more efficient versions. I don't think anything is particularly funny, unless you think two fliers and an unblockable with Reconnaissance Mission out is 'funny'.that more effective route seems to be what's evading me.>>97606542>Calculating lichI didn't know this was a card, and remembering hellrider, I don't doubt it can be effective, but it seems very expensive and as said I can pretty easily turn unblockable 1/1s into 4/1s already.>Withstand board wipes>Literal counterspellsI'm already doing this. and some reanimation.>Moonshaker cavalryI've thought about it. though I also think it's a bit expensive.>Have insurance for board wipes like grim haruspexI don't think draw is the problem>Archetype of imagination it's sitting on the desk in front of me. it's in occasionally, but I don't have problems connecting without it. my last game my problem was doing an additional 14-ish damage, not landing the hits.moonshaker or dictate of heliod or something like that might be it, or just getting to the right saturation of effects.
>>97606715I dont really care about the price of cards. But this is about $300 alone.
>>97606586If you use his 10 mana ability you should be forced to eat the card
>>97606602It sold out that fast? What the hell. Some of the art was cool but there really wasn't any value there. Has Wizard's been producing less and less stock of these Secret Lair since they haven't been selling out much lately?
>gf wanted the furby confetti foil sol ring>tell her not to buy the 65 euro secret lair for that, surely the ring alone will be a lot cheaper later>months later the sol ring still costs 60+ just by itselfFuuuuckkkk I'm such an asshole, don't repeat my mistake tho.
>>97606742I assume chaos drops have far less supply. They are barely even advertised as is.
>>97606734That's a gacha bonus card from buying the whole set. Yojimbo from FF had the same thing and is 500 despite it being just a solitude reprint. It's a lottery card, this package had none of those.
>>97606752>the cards, separately, are now over $150 total>more than double the MSRP of the set at releaseyeahhhhh whoops. It's a coin flip at best for these things. Who knew this guy was gonna get this expensive?
>>97606788Seems like these are sold out everywhere, so they stopped pricing them. At least in my country. Couldnt tell you, honestly. I just thought "fuck yeah cruelty squad/moutholes".
>>97605718The problem is that i'm loading my field with a bunch of low power creatures with no keywords. Ninjas are good at generating incremental value, but they aren't good at alpha-striking, and they get beaten down very easily by stompy decks or just more agressive tribes like Elves or even Knights. I think i would have to just fill the deck with blowout cards like Aetherize, counterspells and interaction and just grind out value from the ninjas while slowing whitling them down, but that's hard to do when you're going against three people who might catch on to what you're trying to do. Honestly i might just try to nerf my yuriko deck instead. Remove all of the topdeck manipulation, all tutors. Just play 100% relying on topdeck RNG for the flips. Don't know if that would be weak enough though because even in bracket 3 Yuriko tends to stomp
>>97606815Haven't checked JAWS but he was sitting at like 140 a month ago. Prior to that, 14th Doctor was the priciest mechanically unique SLD card.
>>97605885I genuinely hate that there are multiple Hatsune Miku MTG cards but somehow they're all so incredibly ugly that even i, a huge vocaloid fan, doesn't want to run any of them. I still cannot believe how horribly they screwed it up.
>>97606897Wouldn't buy even if I was bad with my money. If I'm gonna shell out this much for this special of a card, it better be foil
>>97606985I wonder if the UW release will lower this price or not.
>>97606985cannot unsee
>>97606911>24 cards where the illustration contains “miku”Really? In all 24 you don't like a single one? There's a lot that look great. It's a damn shame they put my favorite art with such a bullshit commander no one would want to play against
>>97607011Only three of them look good - The one you posted, snapcaster and Inspiring Vantage. And like you said Child of Alara is just a dogshit commander so its wasted
>>97607011>nooooo logan don't kill the virtual idol you won't survive!!
>>97606985The worst part of this is that it doesn't even seem that fun.
>>97607136He's actually a pretty fun sub wincon in treasure decks, but yeah not worth the price.
>>97606985I bought a titty proxy of this for $5
>>97607154prove it
>>97607164It hasn't arrived yet
>>97607174okay liar.
>>97606399Seems like you'll ramp up, get board wiped, lose steam, and hope on top decking for the rest of the game. >LandsRemove Myriad Landscape, remove 8 or more plains, add desert package (arid archway, conduit pylons, lazotep quarry, you already have scavenger grounds), add mdfcs (ondu inversion, kabira takedown, witch enchantress), add utility lands (demolition field, plaza of heroes, war room), (if you can afford add fancy utility lands [talon gates of madara, strip mine, abstergo entertainment, urza's cave, lotus field/vale, minas tirith, kor haven]).Consider Drownyard Temple for ramp if you can safely discard it, or your opponents play mill/discard, Guildless Commons to play into Monowhites best strength (catch up ramp), and Underdark rift, if you need more removal on a land.>creaturesRemove Platinum Angel, Steel Seraph, Starnheim Aspirant. Add creatures that actually put lands on the battlefield, Sand Scout, Scholar of new horizons (does great with your +1/+1 theme), wayfarer's bauble. >ArtifactsREMOVE herald's horn, it's a bad card. Add arachnomancer's map. >EnchantmentsRemove Tenuous Truce, I've seen that card do nothing multiple games, add Temple is under attack. I'm not a big fan of soul sisters in this because you could do a lot more for board protection with those card slots, but if you are a fan of them, you do you. Like throwing a Reprieve could prevent yourself from being board wiped, Restoration magic, is both protection and life gain at instant speed, and clever concealment would be strong defensively as well. For cheaper options, duty beyond death isn't bad either. A Mono white deck with no board wipes is pretty crazy too.
Man all this talk about SLs, why did Rob Reiner have to die before I could score a reasonably priced Princess Bride SL? Shit's nearly 250 last I checked.
>>97607201What does him dying have to do that what? They weren't ever going to reprint the SLD
>>97607000Where have you heard there's going to be a Jaws UW?
>>97607208If you check the price history it actually started shooting up the literal day his death was announced. Used to be 160-180 back in November.
>>97607209Wizard's themselves. I remembered it being mentioned at the same time as the secret lair was announced. God knows where the fuck they'll released him though. Always a chance it's as bad a situation as Greymond is.>A Universes Within version of Jaws, Relentless Predator will appear in a future Magic releasehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/secret-lair-secret-scare-superdrop
>>97607179I think most of your suggestions are reasonable and I'll try them but Starnheim Aspirant is so good, the few times that I've played this deck so far and had it out it probably was one of the most impactful cards. Might even get an Urza's Incubator some time to add redundancy to it some time.Definitely need more protection tho i think that's what i'll change as soon as possible, you're right that getting wiped pretty much takes deck out of the match.
>>97607258>I remembered it being mentioned at the same time as the secret lair was announced.Was this before or after MaRo announced that they were never doing another UW set?
>>97607310Never listen to Maro, are you crazy?
>>97607310Quite a while laterIt was also their entire basis to not give LGS' any JAWS slds to sell like they do with other unique lairs. And they clearly are still doing that because they gave sony lairs to WPN stores and those came after JAWS.
>>97607310Like the other guy said, long long after that. I don't know why exactly but for whatever reason Jaws was a special case where they announced the secret lair and that there would be a universe within at the same time. First time they've done that I think and they haven't done it since.
>>97607324
>>97607363Why does this image look like he is playing inside of a babies cradle? What the fuck is that railing behind him?
>>97607026It's a real shame the Feather one looks so questionable
TMNT is my favorite set of the past 2 years and is nice after Lorwyn was a disappointment to me.
>>97606586Shrug and switch to my bracket 1 deck so I don't curbstomp his lousy commander
>>97607437Food decks are pretty retardedly strong.
blue or black jaheira imo?
>>97607442Folds to Titania's Song.
>>97607370It’s just a fucking fence on the upper floor of some place, Jesus Christ anon take your meds
>>97607494Why would an upper floor even have a fence? You have RAILINGS not fences.Yah dumb ass
>>97607488>Its not good if people are running a single card against all decks you could play against across the worldWhat a terrible argument.
how do I know if my deck is a bracket 2 or a low power bracket 3?no one I have played with has mentioned brackets but it's listed on the deck building website and it's tickling my 'tism to leave it blank
>>97607550Does it have game changers?
>>97607566>>97607550This. The brackets are not (explicitly) about strength, but composition, until you get to 4 and 5 then it is about strength.
>>97607566>>97607608No game changers. Not purposefully, I just didn't put any in when I was building them.That said, I think they would wipe the floor with any precon with an average hand, so I'm hesitant to put them in the precons bracket.
>>97607550Just read the article you bum you're only gonna get wrong answers here.
>>97607626Then it isn't bracket 3. Bracket 3 has its hard requirements. This "vibe" shit is dumb. Would you play if whether prime time was banned or not on any given day was "vibes" based? Rules cannot be based on feefees.
>>97607635Why do you think your arbitrary perspective overwrites Gavin and the council?Brackets aren't hard, objective rulesets that you're meant to ruleshark, they're conversation tools intended to help quickly set up somewhat fair games with strangers.
>>97607664Because Gavin did not design rules adequately, and the rules as written are all that's required to comply with.
>>97607697Again the brackets aren't rules. They're tools for setting up relatively even games in a casual format with people who aren't part of your private playgroup. By intentionally violating their intent you're just being a pubstomping faggot that nobody enjoys playing with. Does that feed your ego?
>>97607635>Bracket 3 has its hard requirementsI can understand why you would think that but brackets are just a frame work to better have discussion in rule 0 of what power level your deck should be at to play with one another on an even footing, and a frame work to weed out back actors who A) Are putting broken shit into precons, B) Are clearly using broken bullshit and intentionally playing fast and loose with what is meant for the brackets.The Pinkertons aren't going to break down your door and steal your deck and your penis when deck and penis inspections at the door deemed you as a pubstomper or you didn't know gamble was a game changer and put it in your precon. The worst that can happen is people won't play with you if you are a faggot.Which has always been the case.
>>97607664Because logic and facts don't care about his opinion.
>>97607720No, they're rules. And if they arent rules, they should be discarded entirely and mentioned only in passing. Intent is not something that can be policed, so if my deck beats you within the same shared rules, I am better, thus not pubstomping. Dont like it? Play a different game.
>>97607787Sorry anon but that's not how a rules system works. Can I play banned cards depending on vibes? No. I can NEVER play banned cards.Your vibe shit can suck a cock. It doesn't work and prayer doesn't change the laws of physicsAnd no, I did not read a thing you typed..
>>97607787It does have hard requirements: 3 game changers. And you can combi out faster.
>>97607797>Can I play banned cards depending on vibesYou absolutely can. You asks if its cool in the rule 0.People can agree or disagree.Commander is not a sanctioned format, we police ourselves. That's what rule 0 is for. Brackets are talking points for that discussion. You will not be banned from magic events or your lgs just for merely not adhering to brackets. I can tell. You're very stupid and don't want to learn anything. You are the faggot that people won't want to play with.>>97607813That is not a requirement. Your deck does not blink red and refuse you to put a 4th GC in. When you say your deck is a 3, and its not, people will call you out for being a faggot, beyond that there are no repercussions.
>>97607823Yes, it does. A 4th game changer is bracket 4. You type a lot about something you dont understand. That is not following the rules of bracket 3; the thing that makes people mad. Dont like it? Feel free to play another game.And rule zero doesnt exist. Or it would be a rule with a number.
I have decreed the vibes allow me to play Recurring Nightmare.
>>97607550>how do I know if my deck is an against the odds standard deck or an actual competitive standard deck?>well that's easy it's because it doesn't have this and that card, it's not using X strat, etc>how do I know if my deck is a bracket 2 or a low power bracket 3?>HELP ME ANONS HELP ME GAVIN I CAN'T THINKlol
>>97607831>And rule zero doesnt exist. Or it would be a rule with a number.So you are in fact a retard or a troll. You are not worth my time anymore either way. Feel free to actual read the article and see that Gavin is saying the exact same things as me.You won't. You are a faggot.
>>97607790A deck doesn't require game changers to be in higher brackets. My Light-Paws deck kills fast and efficiently enough that it stomps most B3s and easily hangs with B4s despite playing zero GCs. If I played it against B2s it would be a bloodbath.
>>97607823>Your deck does not blink red and refuse you to put a 4th GC inand yet it does when i try to put rhystic study in izzet lessons
>>97607844It's almost like brackets don't work.
>>97607550What turn are you expecting to win?
>>97607851They work just fine. People have an aversion to phones and discussion however.
>>97607844This is fine, but it's bracket 2 unless you break the rules, though you can do whatever you want.>>97607842Get off Gavin's dick. Even he doesnt believe it. Rule zero ban sundering titan. Oh...
>>97607860>discussionYou mean rule 0?
>>97607861>Rule zero ban sundering titanhhaha rulezerofags don't even know that gavin was literally calling them out, that's how dumb they are
>>97607860No, people have an aversion from reading 20,000 words that can be summarized with a shrug and "because vibes".
>>97607844Plenty of bracket 2 decks can beat bracket 4. Plenty of bracket 4 decks cannot beat bracket 2. This is because the criteria for brackets are very arbitrary. Toss 4 game changes in a bracket 1 deck and it is now 4. It isn't going to be kicking ass thanks to those four random cards though.
>>97607869I can tell you are a retard who didn't read an article if you think its 20,000 words.
>>97607844>My Light-Paws deck kills fast and efficiently enough that it stomps most B3s and easily hangs with B4s despite playing zero GCs>no i'm not running enlightened tutor moxes drannith magistrate etc>yes i'm literally gimping myself just to make a retarded point
>>97607851A glass bottle works fine when you're not slamming it on the concrete. >>97607861It's not B2 at all. The deck is built to start picking players off on turn 4 in ways they can't do anything about without counter magic on turns 2 or 3.
>>97607873You mean the 3 seperate articles and hour and a half long podcast?>>97607876That's nice. If it follows the rules of bracket 2, it's bracket 2, and your feelings dont factor into it.
>>97607871>my standard deck can beat my friend's mono black fallen empires + homelands only legacy deck>this means the concept of formats is stupid and a legacy deck can totally hang with standard
>>97607878Here's the spoonfeed.
>>97607884Yes. Because it's about cardpool, not power, and fallen empires isnt standard legal.>>97607890And you havent killed everyone by t4, so ot "should" fit the rules.
>>97607898>before you win or lose. If I'm knocking players out on turn 4 in B3 I'm pubstomping. That would not be a B3 game.
>>97607898>Because it's about cardpool, not powerand brackets are about>an abritrary turn to infinite/thoracle/lock the board>a certain number of GCs>no mld>no chaining extra turnsand not powerhilarious that you can wrap your little head around formats but not brackets
>>97607905Not what that says. It says "should". You would kill 3 players by turn 7, which is within the rules. Your voltron deck is not of sufficient quality, you are playing substandard competition that isnt interacting with you, and idiots can exist in every format. Cant fix bad.
Once again the Commander """playerbase""" demonstrates that it's so stupid that maybe it deserves UB: Marvel.
>>97607919Oh so it's subjective when it proves you wrong but fully 100% rock solid and ironclad objective when you're spewing bullshit?
>>97607933Thems the rules anon, and I was indulging your magical christmasland. If someone plays two fogs or an ensnaring bridge it doesnt magically change the constraints you built your deck around, even if you're playing ding dongs who dont interact with you and commit seppuku at the speed of light.
I really like the idea of my Frodo deck being filled with Nazguls and wraiths and so I wanted to do a deck with a ship commander centered around sea creatures (or aliens if a spaceship). Anything that comes to mind?
>>97607928I am looking forward to marvel more than temu Harry potter
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS!
>>97607963Wait until star trek
>>97608003>reserved listsorry you'll have an itlimoc-tier version of zesty elf and you'll learn to like it
>>97607790>No, they're rules.They're not, it's a casual format where you're explicitly allowed to rule zero anything to your liking.>they shouldLiterally nobody cares what you think anyone should do, sadly.
>>97608010That's nice. Rule zero my playset of off colour proxy moxes and ante cards. No? Then it sure seems like the rules.
>>97608010>you're explicitly allowed to rule zero anything to your likingare you honestly this naive to think that the whole mtg community would not kvetch if gavin were to unban every card in the banlist? Rule zero after all!
All this comes down to is that yes, you can dishonestly represent your deck's power level while technically still adhering to the broad outlines of the brackets.You'll just have to accept that then nobody will enjoy playing with you, which in a casual format with zero stakes is literally the only thing that actually matters.
>>97607834This is kind of recurring nightmare if all your guys are small.
>>97608022>whole mtg community would not kvetch if gavin were to unban every card in the banlist?They would. Just like they did with the mere idea that they would have to take Sheldno's dead dick out of their mouths with hybrid mana, but just like that, if it happened, they would whine, cry, bitch and moan, but would get over it in under a month.
>>97608029>if you beat me you are a dishonest mean guy and no one likes youIs there a rule about that? You dont seem very good, that's a real low bar.
>>97608020I mean you can do that yeah.>>97608022They wouldn't like that because then every table would have to have rule zero conversations about maybe not proxying the power 9 into your deck, brackets and the banlist exist to shortcut those conversations with strangers.
>>97608053I mean if that's your thinking then surely you must exclusively play cedh.
>>97608029>All this comes down to is that yes, you can dishonestly represent your deck's power level while technically still adhering to the broad outlines of the brackets.>dishonestlythere's no need to be so saltymtg players are just looking for rules interaction and legally exploit them to the maximum, which is what they've been trained to do since 1993 because the entire game is fucking legalese in card form>You'll just have to accept that then nobody will enjoy playing with you, which in a casual format with zero stakes is literally the only thing that actually matters.i play at an LGS that plays to win but i can power down at my own home podin truth it's (You) who will be relegated to their basement for the entirety of their mtg hobby lifespan, because you can't think the other way around
>>97608056>They wouldn't like that because then every table would have to have rule zero conversations about maybe not proxying the power 9 into your deckyour instinct to immediately say "oh people will just ban them" betrays you, as if you're projecting your entire belief system into every mtg player's podwhich is fine to do, except you don't own the game, and wotc has more power by fiat than you want to admit
>>97608064You may be surprised to hear that I do not and find cedh boring. The flip side, I am an extremely competent magic player, and from what you said, beating you is being "dishonest" because surely you are "honestly" the official source of what is and isnt honest. Rules are rules. Did I follow them or not? If I did, your feelings dont matter and I'm better, and if I didn't it's cheating because I broke the rules.>>97608056They dont shortcut anything unless they're real rules anon.
>>97608084>You may be surprised to hear that I do not and find cedh boring.Oh so you're bad at the game?
>>97608100>you don't play vintage therefore bad>*insert pro player here* suck because they don't play vintage competitivelyhilarious
>>97607928fireshrieker bros??? this isn't fair...
>>97608112Cedh isn't a separate format from commander, cutie.
>>97608125vintage isn't a separate format from 60 cards either, buddy boy
>>97608033the triggered ability is what kills this vs recurring nightmare, not the energy cost TRUTH NUKE
Thread full of pubstompers is having a meltie because they're upset that they're "that guy" at their LGS and nobody likes them.
>>97608129"60 card" isn't a format sweetheart.
>>97608100Nope. I can do stuff like high accuracy blind cabal therapy after a single land drop in real formats, and in paper, keep track of the relative draw order of cards in your hand, even if you shuffle them, or keep track of how many expected answers are still in your deck relative to meta lists based on what's in your graveyard, or the relative probability you're going to hit your silver bullet post sideboard. I have played cedh. I've won my rather locals, and I've won in other countries. Then people stopped playing answers and started mulliganing to 4 cards because math, and I decided that's not what I enjoy; I like brewing.So, when you talk abour "honest", I will follow the rules. And I will win because not only am I more experienced and autistic, I play to win even with suboptimal design constraints. And the best part? I would be JAZZED if you stopped bitching and were competent enough to give me a run for my money. That's fun.
>>97608145I gotta be honest, I didn't bother reading this post.
>>97608138if commander is a format (a subset of the "100 card format", which includes canadian highlander) then "60 card format" also exist, of which there are many subsets like vintage, modern, etc kekaroo
>>97608149You must be very new to Magic, don't worry about it.
>>97608154>he got btfoconcession accepted
>>97608156>Asmongolddisregarded
>>97608156hqdefault asmongold thumbnail... lole
>>97608165ok retard lmao
Hey guys anyone wanna play 60 card? I don't have enough cards for the 100 card format yet.
>>97608179>Hey guys anyone wanna play 60 card?yeah let's go alrightwhat do you want, modern? premodern?we can do 40 card too if you want, it's your call what type of sealed though
>>97608185What are those? I just play the 60 card format.
>>97608179>tfw my regular pod for a long as time did "hybrid" where it was 60 vs 100>30 life. Other than that the game was the same except that if your commander was exiled it was gone forever60 card decks never lost and I hated it.
>>97608187ah i seeanyways to change topic i don't know why people keep saying that there are different types of numbers as if there are subsets of numbers within numbers, i only know "numbers" man mind explaining that?
>>97608189This playgroup sounds like the worst people on earth to play smash bros with
Which one is the best, and most playable in EDH?>decided to make a Progenitus deck and throw all of these in it for fun
>>97608214Balefire or Murkfiend
>>97608214Easily Murkfiend.
>>97608148The tl;dr is I am good, and I'd be excited if you were good too. Since you arent, you dont get to be the fun police.
>>97607852>>97607890You guys are expecting to win?
>>97605063phyrexian arena
>>97605267She doesn't have haste and trample like he does but I think there could still be fun in working with a mono blue beatdown with her.
What are some of the best spells to gain life in red and/or artifacts? I currently have an Elixir of Immortality.
>>97608455Campfire is actually great
>>97608466Thanks. Not bad.
Left or right, only have room for one.
It's trivial for my bant counters deck to get to 50+ counters turn 4-6 and by strict definition it's bracket 2. Brackets are a nice attempt to try and reel in the power level disparity but at this point nothing short of dedicated ban lists for every single bracket will solve the issue.
>>97608214>here's a bunch of cards and a seedborn muse which is the best?
>>97608536>but at this point nothing short of dedicated ban liststhis will blow your mind, but the GC list is a banlist in b2
It's trivial for my bant counters deck to get to 50+ counters turn 4-6 and by strict definition it's power 7. Power levels are a nice attempt to try and reel in the power level disparity but at this point nothing short of dedicated ban lists for every single power level will solve the issue.
>>97608536>Banlists for every bracketThis is literally what WotC initially proposed back with the 4-bracket system and I hate that they backpedaled on it like pussyniggers.>No middle bracket so retards have to pick a land instead of magnetizing to the middle ans saying "bracket 3 :)" with no GCs then when they get stomped they pout and say "that's not REALLY a 3...">Actual hard banlisted instead of encouraging games getting sacked by drawing overloaded to shit card>Each bracket is actually meaningfully different
>>97608695>Each bracket is actually meaningfully differentin practice 1 and 4 are casual ideas of what a "fun" deck and a "cutthroat" deck are, they exist for the sake of creating containment but in practice they are not ideal for LGS play; what's practical is 2, 3, and 5>i assure you 3 is more cedh-lite than you think it is
>>97608505What's option 3?
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>>97608214Deathbringer is easily the best. I think Thistledown is underrated as a combat trick. Might actually throw that in the council of four deck im working on now that I think about it. Not a knight tribal but I will probably run a few synergies.
Is this a viable pauper EDH deck, or even used as a normal bracket 2-3 deck? The art is really good so I have to build it.
>>97608737Nah man. Bracket 4 is where casuals get absolutely punked, pick up there ball, and go home. You can netdeck a good list in every other bracket that's competent. A bracket 4 decklist is some nebulous thing that ranges from "unsorted tenuously legal cardboard" (bottom) to cedh with a different/slower/more fragile/complicated wincon.
>>97608855>Bracket 4 is where casuals get absolutely punked, pick up there ball, and go homeexactly casuals build the most broken deck they can think of (no limits to GCs weee), and then they losethey *could* netdeck godo's ugly cousin (a true b4 deck) and win with a b4 pod with it, but there's a reason why belzenlok's not cedh material, because casuals don't really understand that there's more to winning an edh pod than just pure speed and staples
>>97608851she cute
>>97608214Murkfiend, but balefire and deathbringer are solid. Rest kinda suck.
>>97608855>tenously legal unsorted cardboardAhh yes my mono blue stax with no infinites, and labman / thoracle wincon. But also has winter orb + tangle wire nonsense.
>>97608875Nailed it. Even fully tuned Godo is closer to 4 than 5 these days. Like Polytyrant urza or Chainveil Stasis Teferi. Both those decks used to be among the top in the format when they came out, and now that interaction and slower decks are gone from the meta, they're almost archetypal of bracket 4. Or Hermit Druid Scion. Or Azami. Or like Prosh.Then some chomo will show up with a zurgo voltron deck that has enlightened tutor, demonic tutor, vamp, the one ring, and fast mana but tap lands and be surprised their deck isnt winning. In my opinion, this is basically where skill expression begins from a deck building perspective, because you cant be fun policed, and structural differences between bad decks and good decks become more apparent. Like you can do it in lower brackets, but the likelihood of being bitched at for "pumpstomping" is so much higher it kills my vibes.>>97608898You're a cool guy anon. I have that deck in paper but I have modular combo wincons as well because game's gotta end.
>>97606693I will begrudgingly build him on arena to test out golgari vehicles
>>97608923>the likelihood of being bitched at for "pubstomping" is so much higher it kills my vibes.i feel you man if i were gavin i'd make it a point to fast track unbannings to make it very clear that b3 is absolutely not "b2 + 3 GCs"it's all fun and games to casuals until they meet a krrik ported over to b3 and kills them turn 4+ with the sheoldred vilis pestilence line so they can't even whine about "early infinites" given that LGSs have more or less defined b3 as "no infinites/thoracles/locks before turn 6"
>>97608946>to make it very clear that b3 is absolutely not "b2 + 3 GCs"Then where do the decks who are literally b2+3 GC go?
>>97608952>Then where do the decks who are literally b2+3 GC go?they don't "go" anywhereto use an often-misused term itt, stop being so beholden to stapleslop, your b2 deck is a prius not a luxury car
>>97608952bracket 3 but bad
>>97608952They can stay in b3, but they shouldnt expect to win. b1 is literally "the safe space fun bracket". >>97608946Along the same lines, I have been building a lot of decks in the b2 space, and I've honestly made things that are pretty fucked up. High consistency, good fundamentals, neat interactions, noninfinites. But every fucking time I bring them out people pout, lose their minds, and constantly complain ESPECIALLY when someone says they're "getting serious" then I do something like cast small pox early, they get mana screwed, and become hella dour.
>>97608970>I do something like cast small pox early, they get mana screwed, and become hella douri've been telling people here that "dude just put 38 lands" is the worst advice ever promulgated in casual edh, especially when casuals are so greedy with their bombs and go further down than 38
>>97608996Not going to lie, I'm at about 32 because I am psychotic and dont mind mulliganing, but someone out there has been telling people cantrips are bad in singleton, and I get one brainstorm sucks, but 7-10 of them and fetches and whatever? It will dramatically increase a deck's consistency if you minmax it. And speaking of fetches. They're always running 3c shit manabases without fetches. It just makes me make that "my brain is full of fuck" face every single time. Shuffling is a pain in the ass, but being able to grab a scrubland (godless shrine) off a verdant catacombs, or a triome, or a surveil. Like they're just leaving meat on the bone and then get mad when they clumped their lands last game and needed shuffle more thoroughly.
>>97608996it has been proven that regardless of deck overall mana cost, 38lands is the best amount, you can even justify 36/37 if you add a sol ring (as you should).anything above that and is pure cope from try hards/elk tier diaper wearing bracklets
>>97609035>A control deck in 60 card land runs 26 lands and no one bats an eye>An edh sans green battlecruiser running 42 lands + sol ring (The 100 card equivalent of 26 lands in 60)? Somehow anathema even though those 4 extra lands could easily just be cyclers?
>>97609057Particularly when there are literal free untapped spell lands.
>>97609035What if your deck's theme is to make a really big forest and then beat people to death with maro-sorcerers? Would >38 lands be wrong then?
>>97609074i run 41 lands with this bad boy (5 of which cycle)
Post the most Jewish card.
WotC should print this to ensure Marvel: Superheroes sells.
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>>97609104>whenever an opponent casts a spell, they discard a card unless they pay (1)>2Bprint it wotc it'll be very funny
>>97609121I'd prefer >Whenever a player draws a card>that player discards a card>and if you cant you mill a cardWait...
cool landlandtap, lose the game: add one mana of any mana to your mana pool
>>97609104Honestly the most interesting thing about this card would be all the cope people cook up around it.>It's more fair than Rhystic Study because it's not color-locked. It doesn't need to be a GC because every deck can use it.>It's just another copy for the card for non-blue decks. It's not a big deal when blue can already copy enchantments.>I don't LIKE Marvelslop but I need my bird tribal deck to stay competitive!>I'm just getting a copy I can show to people I really own the card before sleeving up a proxy>It was a better set than Spider-Man. I wanted to support WotC not turning another miniset into a full release.>The set was very flavorful. It makes perfect sense that Peter Parker learns from his enemies.>MtG has always done urban settings before. Look at Ravnica!>The draft environment was good
>>97609137>chains of mephisto>a mechanically unique homage to chains of mephistopheles to skirt the RLmarvel's a good set for wotc to do it
>>97606896>>97605664I been very interested in Rad Rat. I was hoping people would sleep on him but I been seeing some murmuring about him. At least the same thing as you and me, anyone that wants a ninja deck that isn't Tiger Shadow is migrating towards Rad RatI've been looking through equipment and Aura to see what will grant the cards trigger abilities, for some unexpected doubled effects. Nothing to hot yet but Ninja can for sure do some high damage unblockable attack or Ninjutsu/Sneak effect. If you can get out Ninja Teen that will be the only card you need to protect as it lets you never endingly pull the same card from your graveyard no matter how many times they kill it.He should be fun, and annoying, even if it ends up a Bracket 2 deck.
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>>97609143>I just like Spider-Man.
>>97609035I'd go beyond saying that's not the case for some decks, and say outside of specifically land matter decks, you fucked up in deck construction if your deck feels like it needs 37+ lands. My lowest is 28 lands, Troll of Khazad-Dum, and 6 rituals but it has an average cmc of 2 outside reanimation targets.Even in my normal decks I have enough card draw and selection that 33-35 is enough even for decks with play an extra land abilities.
>>97609204I would respect this reasoning the most because anyone saying it likely isn't lying.
>>97609224>but it has an average cmc of 2 outside reanimation targets.the average casual deck is 3.5+ cmc avg
>>97609143>bird tribalWhat the fuck kind of agenda is going around bird tribal? I started playing the game recently after a 7 year hiatus and feel baffled by all the bizarrely pushed bird cards from final fantasy.
>>97609229>it is proven regardless of overall mana cost>average casual deck is ...Anon are you a little retarded?
>>97609243City Pigeon meta in 2 years.
>>97609261>>97609261>>97609261
>>97609248>it is proven regardless of overall mana costincorrect because cedh decks run pretty much same number of rocks as casual decks and yet run only 25 something lands, no it totally has nothing to do with their low avg cmc no sireeit's almost like the battlecruiser side of edh requires more land than usual and people prefer being mana screwed rather than mana flooded for psychological purposes despite the fact that you'd prefer the latter if you want to win more
