>nooo you can't kill the evil goblin!Do lawful player characters really...?
>alignment languageswhat the fuck
>>97634531newfag
>>97634380Why would they? Passing lawful sentence on the wicked is very much in keeping with alignment.
>>97634641>Passing lawful sentence>PassingSpotted a murderhobo trying to justify himself
Play your games how you want.
>>97635038>t. goblin
>>97634531It's a neat idea imo, though the execution is pretty silly. If you change alignment, you just instantly forget (literally, you forget, that's what the rules say) the old one and understand the new ine.
>>97634531https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_in_tongues
>>97634531Nobody uses these>>97635135It was supposed to be a cleric feature, like a liturgical language, but Gary had too many bumps one night
>>97634531>>97635135>>97635334My players use it all the time. They use it like code to sus out potential allies and keep info out of enemy reach. Its just code
>>97635135I can't remember if this is in AD&D or not, but in OD&D monsters can open doors without rolling dice and know where all secret doors are but if your hire them they forget where the secret doors are and have to force doors open the same way you do.
>>97634380Yes. Lawfull action would be enslaving it and selling it to brothel as a cum sponge.
>>97636508OD&D specifically says that about infravision, all monsters can see in the dark but lose that ability if recruited by players
>>97636508>>97636545It's a game, not a simulation. If you want infravision on demand play an elf.
>>97636567>someone states random fact>persecution complex anon spergs outfunny to see each time
>>97636581How is what I posted indicative of a persecution complex, jeet? That's why the rule exists.
>>97634380Moorcock morality is so fucking retarded.
>>97634531Old D&D is full of a lot of incredibly stupid ideas that got abandoned for obvious reasons.
>>97634380>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk
>>97636567Elfs don't get infravision in OD&D retard
>>97637157That's mainly due to Gary getting sick of people asking him mechanical questions about everything and seethed over the fact zines were making supplementary material for the game so he made sure to answer almost every question in newer additions
>>97634531>zoomer can't flex into buzzwords cooked
Why on earth would the Chaotic alignment be interested in forming one exclusive secret language for all of them?
>>97639907It makes more sense if you actively speak more than one language and have formed a working pidgin with people trying to get shit done. Its not cohesive or encompassing, its functional and adaptive.
>>97634380It's always been a problem with the alignment system and how constrictive it is with what it considers alignments and how vague the description is of those alignments it's not just D&D either but Palladium and any system dependent on characters having a alignment rather than a player chosen morality. It's just too constrictive with how one should play a character that is Lawful Good in order to remain lawful good and not have your alignment changed by the GM because you just mildly strayed from it for just one sec because of your character making a decision that falls outside that alignment or having characters that are more morally complex.
>>97634531You don't speak these? Im fluent in neutrality
>>97639907As described alignment languages aren't full languages, they're a combination of empathy, posture, certain phrases,. etc., that can communicate very simple ideas. You can't use an AL to negotiate the bridge toll you could try to use it to intimidate the troll. Basically it's like how you can recognize someone is a schizo when they say something unhinged.
>>97640151>nd not have your alignment changed by the GM because you just mildly strayed from it for just one sec because of your character making a decision that falls outside that alignmentthe books explicitly say you can stray a little bitits always been a problem that people dont fucking read
>>97635334>a cleric featureThat makes sense>>97640846Yeah I have always taken it more as a philosophical language
>>97634380
>>97634531like aave vs britbong
>>97634531It's like how incels can't understand what grounded people with a sense of decency are saying so they imagine it's just "virtue signalling".
>>97634531It was a class ability of assassins to be able to speak any alignment language.
discussing morality with moderns is impossible, it's better not to even try
>>97640151Alignment change, outside of specific magical effects, is entirely at the DM's call. A DM who says "You stole bread out of desperation, chaotic neutral from now on" is That DM. Every edition has outright said it's not a straitjacket nor does it compel you to act in certain ways, it's "I rape and murder, thus I am evil", nor "I am evil, thus I rape and murder".
>>97643947Why not just be completely rid of the alignment system altogether? Why even have people have to even conform to having their character fit to a alignment to begin with. Who defines what is "a little bit" when PCs make decisions in-universe that might not fall in line with the alignment on their character sheet, how many times is "a little bit" before as a GM you change the alignment of a player because they pull a coup de grace on a defeated opponent because they deem them too dangerous? The whole alignment system is ridiculous and all it does is force PCs to fit into neat boxes and enforce how characters behave in a one dimensional way. Getting rid of alignment allows PCs to create characters that are complex and may even have some contradictory beliefs and ideals instead of neat boxes.
>>97645509>Why even have people have to even conform to having their character fit to a alignment to begin with>Every edition has outright said it's not a straitjacketIt's a statistic as much as hitpoints are. You can act like you're at full health all you want but the blood and brain matter spilling out of your skull says otherwise.You can still have contradictory beliefs and ideals, literally nothing is stopping you.
>>97645508Except the problem is that it does act like a straitjacket. Why would there even be any alignment if it didn't with lawful good, chaotic good and neutral good at all to begin with. If they weren't meant to be adhered to and played a certain way that defines what they are. There wouldn't be a alignment system otherwise and characters would create the type of characters they want who may have a lot of complex and even conflicting morals and beliefs without the need to categorize it.
>>97645509>Why not just be completely rid of the alignment system altogether?because it works and I like itonly retards and the mentally ill have a problem with it, and I dont want to play with those people anyway
>>97645556>BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAHAm I talking to a fucking bot? Post a screenshot of the front page of a news site of your choice
>>97645509>Why not just be completely rid of the alignment system altogether?Because it's useful.Makes the players less sociopathic and keeps the dm in check.
>>97645509It's not a problem until you use it as a absolutism, which means you are doing it wrong.This is an internet autist argument.
>>97645502>modernsThis has been a thing for decades now.It's a nogames problem.
>>97645575If you don't have an argument you can just not respond, it would be way less embarrassing than this.
>>97645941Bot confirmed.
>>97634380Faggot
>>97645509They don't remove the alignment system because it's "iconic" for D&D, and D&D would never get rid of anything that's "iconic" because that would harm their ability to cash on nostalgia and branding.
>>97645509Originally alignment functioned as exactly what it says on the tin.It was your alignment, which side you aligned with in the great conflict between Law and Chaos. Similar to how your character in a game based on the 100 year war might have an alignment of Cheesy Frogman or Bad-Teef Ork.You could still be a deep, complex character, maybe you don't truly believe, maybe you're press ganged into a side, maybe you're only in it for the dental plan, ect.It was only once the Mormons took over circa 2e that alignment went from "This is a functional part of the games world" to "Well we gotta have alignments because alignments are part of D&D!" and the good-evil axis was added to represent both to represent how likely you were to get a handy from a bible thumping soccermom and to stave off said soccermoms from calling the game Satanic ("See, PCs are only good people, it's on their sheet!")From Dragonlance on D&D has basically been churned out by cargo cultists rather than designers and you should no more trust their work than a mechanic who gives you a blank stare when you ask him if the oil is alright in your car.
>>97655873>It was only once the Mormons took over circa 2e that alignment went from "This is a functional part of the games world" to "Well we gotta have alignments because alignments are part of D&D!" and the good-evil axis was added to represent both to represent how likely you were to get a handy from a bible thumping soccermom and to stave off said soccermoms from calling the game Satanic ("See, PCs are only good people, it's on their sheet!")The Good/Evil axis existed before the 1e Monster Manual was published and was cludged together with Law/Chaos by Gygax. The expect conflict was supposed to be LG vs CE with the 7 other alignment factions siding with or opposing LG and CE based on the situation. What shifted during 2e was alignment going from which of 9 teams you were on to a personality descriptor.
>>97645556There's Chaotic Neutral for faggots like you.
>>97645399Man just signalled he's lawful evil out here.
There are only two alignments, lawful good, and evil
>>97634531This is literally real, people have a unique language for their political beliefs, hobbies, ect, and if they spend any significant length of time out of touch they will no longer know the current lingo.
Related to alignment stupidity, in my 1e game I don’t allow paladins until i know a player suffocate freedom for everyone by loudly imposing a cartoonish code in every situation. Somehow wanting to play a paladin correlates more with unsocialized behavior than thief or assassin.
>>97644987>chopping off limbs, ears, eyes and nose.Huh>>97635062Is this comic a response to Gary's post or is it pure coincidence?
>>97639907To talk around cops.
>>97634380Alignment only makes sense if the system has rules for it.
>>97634531It exists IRL, go ahead and try to say an alignment language word like nigger amongst those with a different alignment
>>97636508>>97636545The Dungeon is a jealous mistress. Those who turn against her lose her blessings.
>>97645509>Why not just be completely rid of the alignment system altogether?The main historical function of alignment is that newbies are very fun and cool players but also they tend to do really stupid shit like stab shopkeepers to steal their things because, hey, freedom! Gaming! Alignment gave you some way to remind them that their little avatar was not some antisocial GTA protagonist who went on murder sprees for fun (especially a big issue before GTA became big). It's still valuable for the newbie hole that is D&D.
>>97634380Alignment languages exist in real life. The iconic one is latin in the Catholic Church. It was the universal Catholic language and Catholics could talk to each other regardless of what country or culture or race they were.Nowadays, you just have it based on what culture you're from. Someone using 4chan lingo will get sniffed out instantly by a woke retard and vice versa, and it will provoke similar reactions.
