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why isn't there a popular banlist that just removes xyz, synchro, pendulum, and all that other horseshit altogether?

You either get full ass modern hellscape yugioh or 2005 yugioh. What if I'm more nostalgic for the GX era 2010 yugioh? What if I want to play with some of the modern cards and mechanics but just not the hyper methed out shit? What if I want to explore some of the non-methed legacy support?

obviously I can just write a python script to rip out all the meth summons in my own banlist for edopro but that's not what I'm whinging about here, I'm wondering why I'm so alone in wanting a middle ground. Or if I'm not alone, why it's so fucking hard to find (other than dead internet)
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>>97639942
That's why things like Goat format exist, to just stick to older cards. Edison has synchros, but is still in the earlier portions of when the game sped up.
The new Genesis format also cuts out Links/Pendulums for a good chunk of bullshit.

As for where, Duelingbook would be my suggestion. It's not the best, but there's a decent chunk of people playing Goat/Edison and other niche formats there.
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>>97639942
>What if I'm more nostalgic for the GX era 2010 yugioh?
You play Reaper, retard.
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>>97639942
>What if I want to play with some of the modern cards and mechanics but just not the hyper methed out shit?
>why isn't there a popular banlist that just removes xyz, synchro, pendulum, and all that other horseshit altogether?
You clearly don't actually play the game because the two strongest engines in recent metas has been two Fusion setups (Dracotail and Branded as of BPRO, both of which are run together) and one Ritual setup (Mitsurugi). K9 has also been strong, but it pales in comparison to the things that those two engines do.

You cannot have what you want if you keep drawing false equivalences between the erosion of card design over the years and the presence of summoning mechanics that were introduced a decade ago (if not longer). Every single summoning mechanic is fair and balanced at their base, but the humanzees at Konami can't help themselves and feel the need to make it so every new powerhouse archetype does their best to get around those mechanics.
>What if we made Zoodiac monsters markov chain into oneanother
>What if we made it so you can summon Kashtira Ariseheart at his weakest and still have him at his strongest
>What if we made it so Killer Tune can use Tuners in your hand as Synchro material
>What if we introduced even more monsters that can individually act as the full tribute for Ritual Summons
>What if we made trap cards for Maliss that cheat out high-level Link monsters for link climbing
>What if we made the entirety of Regenesis special summonable without tribute, as long as numbers exist
>What if we made it so that these Fusion materials can come from anywhere and move to any location
>What if we made the entirety of Dracotail?

Ironically, the only summoning mechanic that ISN'T consistently cheated is Pendulum Summoning.
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>>97639942
If you can live with XYZ and Synchro, Genesis is a new and prolific format that assigns every card a point total, with your deck having a maximum of 100 points, and doesn't allow Pendulum or Link monsters. There's no associated banlist, so you can play cards like Pot of Greed, but most of the cards like that are heavily pointed.
The point total list also updates fairly often, as they course correct to make every floodgate and format-defining card at 100.
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>>97639942
>OP thinks Pendulums, Synchro, and XYZ are the problem
It's links. It's always been Links. You're just someone who's ignorant of everything that came after your childhood.
>Synchro
It's basically Fusion without Polymerization.
>XYZ
It's basically a ritual summon but instead of adding to the monster's level, they must match the monster's level and be the # of cards listed on the monster.
>Pendulum
It's like ritual summoning, but it can be any monster whose level is the one between the two pendulum values (the blue and red arrow values) on the left and right cards (they take up your leftmost and rightmost spell/trap zones). So let's say the left card had a red arrow with 5 and the right card had a blue arrow with 6, you could only special summon Level 4 Monsters from your hand (or face up extra deck but that's the exception).
>Links
You just need to sacrifice the required # and type of monster on your field to play it, and it has extra effects (usually) based on where the red arrows on the card point to and what's in those spaces. This is why Links are broken as fuck, because they have extremely low requirements to get played and usually come with an extremely busted effect (anything labeled Knightmare is going to be completely and utterly busted in any deck).
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>>97641510
>(Dracotail and Branded as of BPRO, both of which are run together)
Yeah, but c'mon man, that shit is barely fusion because of how damn easy it is to cheat out all the cards you need.
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>>97649019
>that shit is barely fusion because of how damn easy it is to cheat out all the cards you need.
Yes, as Fusion monsters have famously been able to do since close to their inception
>What is: pre-errata Future Fusion
>What is: Chain Material
>What is: Necro Fusion
>Who are: Magical Scientist/Cyberstein
>What are: Fusion Substitutes

Saying that Branded and Dracotail aren't fusion archetypes just because they have easy access to their stuff is like saying HERO isn't a Fusion archetype. It just doesn't make any sense unless you're not only ignoring about 15 years of the game's history, but also ignoring the first ten years in the cases that I cited above.
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>>97649012
>You just need to sacrifice the required # and type of monster on your field to play it, and it has extra effects (usually) based on where the red arrows on the card point to and what's in those spaces
There is nothing broken about that. It's like saying that Tribute Summoning would be broken if you could do it multiple times in a single turn.
>(anything labeled Knightmare is going to be completely and utterly busted in any deck)
Brother, that shit hasn't seen anything more than fleeting play since 2021. DPE power crept them out of the meta (even after Verte was banned) and main deck monsters like Kashtira Fenrir have better removal effects. That's also ignoring the elephant in the room that is S:P Little Knight, who powercrept DPE.

>and usually come with an extremely busted effect
This statement is completely agnostic to summoning mechanics, like I mentioned earlier in the thread. Just look at Mitsurugi, K9, Dracotail, Ryzeal, Tenpai, King's Sarcophagus, Kashtira, Enneacraft. Even fucking Artmage lets you +5 when you search their field spell, and Charmers printed a card that lets you +6 for no reason. It is not a Link problem, it is a problem with how stupid the card effects are designed.
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>>97639942
You're not alone, it's just that the silent majority is silent because the vocal minority will shoot you in the neck for threatening their grifts or making them insecure about the identity they've built themselves around this game by getting loans every month to buy cardboard.

The great majority of the current player base are competitive tards and timmys with spread sheets believing they are good at the game because their win rate % is 50%, when in reality they cannot even play the actual game without cards and game pieces doing all the work for them.
Meanwhile, everyone who disagrees with the current modern absolute state of autoplay games, just doesn't bother and doesn't voice out anything because it's just a waste of time only to get the usual turbo autistic delusional comptard youtuber scalper to try and discredit them purely through personal attacks and non-sequiturs and all the logical fallacies in the book, ironically even complaining that no one wants to play this game and that LGSs are dropping ygo because product doesn't even sell to scalpers, while also blaming people that don't even play this "game" or own any ygo cards as the critical issue.

Most modern game consumers also despise interactive games where "strategies" aren't foolproof and have at least an 80% chance of locking the opponent from playing the game, with the excuse that games "last too long", or need to downplay their own decks/key cards so they can keep abusing them for ez wins, because at the end of the day, they do not give a single shit about the game, they just want to win as easily as possible and any attempt at seriously balancing the game with the intent of making it a 2 player game will be met with hostility, hence why people who think this are mostly silent.

Modern yugioh players demand you eat the same shit as them because they need to feel validated about their expensive shit eating.

It's also insane how this game produces absolute fucking illiterate midwits
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>>97639942
>nostalgic for the GX era 2010 yugioh?
OP, 2010 yugioh is synchros. It is the era of the 2nd bandwagoned retro format of Edison. You're looking for 2006 and 7 which nobody really likes because they were shit.
And no, there's no way to 'pull out' just the evil white/black/split/blue ED monsters, because fusion decks are also fucking war crimes. Literally any fusion deck released from Shadolls forward will run circles around whatever terrible vehicroid deck you have brewing in your head.
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>>97649491
The fuck do you mean "silent majority?" You people never shut the fuck up about how much you hate the game.
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>>97649745
Just kill my dog and rape my plants already, you fucking bot.
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>>97649847
>calls you out for being loud and annoying
>immediately escalates to maximum hostility
Thank you for proving my point. Normal people just say that they don't like a game and stop playing it when they don't like it.
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>EVERYONE MUST ENJOY EVERYTHING
Anon, just come slit my children's throat's in front of me for daring to publicly criticize the product you've built your entire ego around instead of trying to play the usual game of trying to discredit the speaker.

Why don't you call me a nazi who hates the trans? Maybe that'll work.
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>>97650798
If you don't enjoy it then just say that you don't like it and stop engaging with it like a normal person. Nobody said that you have to like the current state of the game. But you cannot just come in and ruin things for everyone else because you are not happy.
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>>97650936
> you cannot just come in and ruin things for everyone else because you are not happy
nta but there is a difference between “coming in and ruining something” and “loudly complaining about the enshittification of something I’ve been in for years.” You can be angry that the new version of the thing you enjoy is a shell if it’s former self in order to appease people who hate you and weren’t even legitimately interested in the thing to begin with. Gatekeep your hobbies
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>>97650961
This game hasn't been "your hobby" for like 17 years.
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>OMG JUST STOP CARING ABOUT IT STOP SAYING THINGS I DONT LIKE JUST LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS
Insane that people who say these things also won't let you enjoy criticizing things.
Why do you care? Mind your own business lmao
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if i wanted to ruin the game i'd just go in places about the game and make any discussion impossible
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Even if every yugituber and their mothers were to shill and glaze the current game hard, while killing off anyone that doesn't, people would still not play the game because it is what it is.
It is just pure insanity to me that people who claim to like the game make talking about it truthfully impossible when the game they don't even really play but just consume, is more or less the equivalent of doing drugs.
You should never let these people into your hobbies in the first place.
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>>97651185
Right now, you're the one being gatekept.
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>>97651765
Sorry mang, but you still ain't gonna sell spread sheets like that.
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>>97639942
>2005 yugioh
But that's another hellscape
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>>97639942
Seeing the average yugioh player they want the game to be a coinflip simulator like every other tcg out there.
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>>97652027
Literally always has been. Going first has always had an immeasurable advantage in the game. Even way back when because you got to set your removal traps and force them to play into it. Not to mention going 1st still got to draw on turn 1 until fucking 2014.
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Yeah, god forbid the opponent went first and you forced them to use their resources so they couldn't protect themselves in the late game.
Luckily now i can just let my opponent not play the game and force xhey/xhem to watch me masturbate all over the table.
Fucking yugiboomers who watched the anime and played playground yugioh because the youtubers told me so and the kids playing one piece magic for not playing yugioh and spending 2k every month for new engine... they are killing our game, sisters.
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>>97652089
What you just said doesn't happen. This game has never had a balanced going 1st to 2nd.
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>this game never told me how to play the game when going 1st 2nd
That's like your own genuine and unironical skill issue.
Never had any problems with it in my yugiboomer days.
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>>97652140
>Too much of a pussy to quite reply
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>give me the (you), y-y-you pussy
Sorry, you got outplayed.
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>>97652159
If it's such a coinflip now then why don't you take your epic stun deck to a tournament. After all, you have a 50% chance of winning right?
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Open up a store and organize events then i'll cum.
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Nigga felt real smart writing that fallacy.
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>can't do it because he knows he'll get stomped because more matters than just the flip
Lol what's the matter big boy?
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>>97639942
GX was 06 dumbass Synchros were out around 08
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>nooo you'll lose! lol r u not heckin offended!?
wait, i'm white.
lol
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>>97649388
Also weren't Knightmares only toolkit monsters anyway? Nobody was trying to end a board on fucking Knightmare Unicorn, they were using it to break your shit on the path to Borrelsword or Avramax or Apollousa
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You losing when you go first nulls your point about flips
lol
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Even if it was legally required to play modern yugioh i'd rather get arrested than even pay a single fine.
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>hehehe lol im disagreeing! hehe lmao
nigga you're still playing solitaire even out of ygo
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>dodges the point
Well well well
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>still thinks he's playing the game
grim
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>replies anyways
Bleak
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>implying this isn't the highlight of his life
i say thing i get 6 million bites
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Higlight of my life is actually winning coinflips and going first in boomer yugioh formats, easy game easy life.
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>"highlight of my life is winning at coin flips"
>wanting to own someone so fucking bad you end up owning yourself
damn nigga
you really showed me
LMAO
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>heh you owned yourself
No wonder you hate yugioh, you're illiterate.
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>you're illiterate
That was clearly your confession. Maybe you should lurk 2 years before posting.
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Try lurking near some libraries, you might pick something up.
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>nigga so self owned he's trying to damage control
uh uh
what else you got?
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>doubling down on not being able to read
lol lmao
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>noooo u are bad and u lose!
>"noooo u hate the game!"
>"nooooo i the highlight of my life is winning at coinflip NOOOOO FORGET I SAID THAT UR ILLITERATE"
take the L and kill yourself already to avoid further shaming yourself, porch monkey
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Lil bro actually thinks that's the highlight of my life and not a quick jab at his retardation for thinking 2005 wasn't heavily favored to the player going first
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insane that nugioh players will die on the hill of the game being good and not autoplay but in the same stinky breath they say going 1st/2nd is still an issue
then also in the same putrid breath they call others illiterate
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>NOOOOO U WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENDED BY IT BECAUSE DIDN'T YOU HEAR MY VOICE OVER TEXT?!?!?!?!?! HOW DARE YOU!!!
unreal how nugioh players really cannot play any games without the game playing for them
holy lmao
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You say going 1st was heavily favored but i never had any issues with that even at tournament levels
Neither had any real players who could play the game and it shows your knowledge only comes from shitty yugitubers who weren't even in their father's balls back then.

Maybe you just oughta learn to play the actual game instead of special summoning into special summoning into link summoning into your link69 boss monster that stop the opponent from even looking at their cards
Or just go do drugs, it's the same shit, even cheaper.
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>I can't understand intent from text
>This is your fault!
Sure thing lil bro
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If going first isn't favored then how come literally nobody ever chooses to go second? :^)
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>YOU DIDNT READ MY MIND AND YOU WERENT OFFENDED UR ILLITERATE!
Man, all that special summoning sure is showing
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>>97639942
>why isn't removing all card design after 2004 a popular banlist
Because it sucks shit and is super boring. Many such cases with people making this suggestion because once they try it for a month they realize how much shit it sucks and stop. It's part of the reason why goat is fading out, people are realizing it's not actually that fun and are moving to edison.
>why am I so alone/it's hard to find
Because 99% of that group of people don't actually want to play the game or keep playing. They just want something to complain about because it doesn't rely on them putting in any effort.
Anyone that actually cares about playing the game knows to shut the fuck up, get over themselves, and learn an existing format like goat/edison/modern/genesys.
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Forget reading minds you can't even read text
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Nobody wants to go second now because they can't set up their unbreakable board

You set a trap in '05? Man, if only i had MST and Breaker with prio damn
>>97652560
>he still going
Here is the (you)
Now fuck off or kill yourself, i really don't care which
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>just have the out
Applies to modern yugioh too. Opening droll against a deck that needs to search is a death knell. Good luck playing into backrow if you didn't draw into your st removal.
And yet even in '05 nobody picks to go second. Curious!
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>just have the out in modern ygo
:D
>just have the out in old ygo
D:<

Difference is old ygo you still could outplay your opponent in further turns and not every card in every deck was anything near as oppressive as all cards now.
Now if you don't have THE OUT, you lose.

With spell removal you still could hit a dud.
But what the fuck would you zoomers know about mind games anyway when all your "epic bait" is just the same insults you netdeck off twitter
lmao
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>>97652598
The longer you wait the more your opponent gets to snowball their advantage and board presence on you. Yeah you could get lucky and sack a HFD, or they get lucky and delinquent duo you.
>With spell removal you can still hit a dud
And you can also handtrap a bait card, mind games explicitly still exist since you are forced to make judgment calls on where to disrupt and if they have a second extender.
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Or maybe, if you were capable of playing the game through actual resource management and tactics, you wouldn't need the out every single time like you do now because the game has been so streamlined that there is barely any real choice made by players.
>just handtrap and hope they don't have an extender
Just honestly sadder as stein otk
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>>97652664
You always need an out in any given tcg. 05 yugioh isn't exempt from this either, or else you will always be on the back foot of the game and never able to round the corner. Trading 1 for 1 indefinitely will never work for the player trying to catch up.
>Just hope
Hope your blind MST works and you didn't just try to pop a scapegoat.
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Better popping a scapegoat than hoping my opponent doesn't use his other search card he definitely has to then go +25
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>>97650961
>Gatekeep your hobbies
What do you think we've been doing this entire time? This retard comes into our communities and shits up the threads for anyone that doesn't despise modern, constantly. Funny thing is that a lot of times, his stupid ass ends up getting banned because he makes threats of violence, his posts get deleted, and suddenly the discussions about how much modern sucks go quiet on this entire board for about a month. Rinse and repeat.
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the complete and utter lack of reading comprehension in this thread checks out
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>"gatekeep" your hobby against any non-positive criticism
>"yo wtf why is no one playing our game when we say it's good and fun and every youtuber says it's fun and good and people should play it? Make them buy product!!!!! fucking yugiboomers!"
Maybe the right course of action is stop trying to reason with pigs and simply wait until they get slaughtered by their tall skinny figure.
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>>97654872
YCS Richmond and Dortmund both had 2.5k participants
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>>97654872
Brother you're getting gatekept by the game itself.
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>oink! oink! oink! OINK!
What the fuck are these piggas saying?
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>>97654899
You don't sound like a particularly pleasant person. I hope you're nicer in real life.
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Yeah, that's the effect i have on oversocialized effeminates.
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this is a nice board
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>>97652248
Does Malefic Cyber End Dragon have good synergy with Chaos Creator and Hamon Lord of Striking Thunder?
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>>97652248
Basically, yes. Mermaid is the only one that wasn't a generic toolkit monster since it was actually designed for Orcust/Knightmare. Funny enough, that card is still banned in all formats, in spite of the fact that it does far less than Fiendsmith's Requiem, which is legal at 3 in all major formats.

Gryphon can burn in hell. They've been lightening up on Orcust hits so I could see Mermaid come off the list. Goblin could've come off the list in 2021 (maybe even 2020) and nobody would've noticed.

>>97659514
Not really, no. Chaos Creator can't summon the Cyber End Dragon that you dump to summon Malefic Cyber End Dragon because it wasn't properly summoned (same reason Monster Reborn can't work on N'tss for instance), and Hamon doesn't have any synergy with either of them. Malefics also demand that nothing else on your field can attack.

If you want a real jank synergy for Malefic Cydra, try Ecole de Zone. It nukes Malefic Cyber End and turns it into a token with the same statline, and while that token can't attack directly, it doesn't stop anything else from attacking. You can also do it with Gren Maju (it copies its stats on the field).
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>>97659971
Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder is Thunder-type just like Chaos Creator who combines LIGHT and DARK attributes just like other Level 10 monsters such as Demise, Supreme King of Armageddon who uses Blue-Eyes Chaos Max Dragon's Ritual Summoning that also belongs to the Malefic archetype and of course you can then Xyz Summon many Rank 10 EARTH Machinine-type monsters that share the same attribute as the Synchro Materials of Thor, Lord of the Aesir, Obelisk the Tormentor and Sky Scourge Norleras who's a DARK Fiend just like Kaiba's Masked Beast Des Gardius that supports Castle of Dark Illusions which boosts the ATK of Vampire Lord Vampire Genesis Berserk Dragon and Number 22: Zombiestein that uses Blue-Eyes White Dragon, Legendary Knight Critias and Talaya, Princess of Cherry Blossoms as Xyz Materials and of course you can then add Mystic Tomato, Number 50: Blackship of Corn, Teardrop the Rikka Queen, The Legendary Fisherman and Nekroz of Decisive Armor in your deck
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>>97639942
Fusion, Ritual, Synchro and XYZ are fine on their own, they are basically just different taste of the same.
Both Pendulum and Links were created specifically to warp everything else around themselves and are just needlessly overpowered and convoluted.
Genesys format is a good idea but keeping track of point system in combination with ever growing card list is just pain in the ass. Tomorrow your deck may be slaughtered into oblivion or lose to new cards that still did not got any points or you'll be paying 400$ for an obscure, broken card from 2004 that just moved down the list and became an instant staple.
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>>97660613
>>97660672
Genesys would've been good if the point system was used for card combinations like those mentioned in my previous comment rather than individual choices
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>>97660672
>pendulums and links warp everything around themselves.
>Pendulum
How? There was never a point where you MUST pendulum summon in order to play most decks. Most decks even in pendulum's "prime(s)" you could ignore the mechanic in the same way something like a fusion focused deck could ignore XYZs. I just don't see it.
And you can count the number of meta pendulum decks over the game's/mechanic's entire life on one hand. I would hardly consider something with such little presence overpowered.
>Link
I can give you this one specifically for MR4 pre-rules revision. As you did have to make link monsters for most decks. But this is now outdated with the rules revision, lasted about 3 years, except for pendulums which as I said above have been such a small part of the game historically and currently. I think it's fair to fault konami for it but you have to recognize they attempted to walk it back.
As for overpowered, I think it's correct to say SELECTIVELY yes. It has had as many problem cards as other summoning mechanics but they are more present due to how generic some where.
>[both are] convoluted
Actual factual skill issues. Watch a video and play with the mechanics for maybe 3 games and you'll have no problem with them. Maybe an hour out of your day resolves this problem.

>genesys points are hard to keep track of
I would give you this if you have to hand reference point lists but we have digital deck builders now. You don't need to keep track of anything really. Even neuron, an official tool, has it so there's really no excuse. And tournaments check your deck's point total just like it checked for bans and limits so you know everyone's deck meets the legality.
>your deck could be hit tomorrow, a better deck might come out, and you might have buy some card that got unpointed
That's just how every card game and format works though. You either acknowledge it or don't play card games then.
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>>97660672
>Tomorrow your deck may be slaughtered into oblivion or lose to new cards that still did not got any points or you'll be paying 400$ for an obscure, broken card from 2004 that just moved down the list and became an instant staple.
There have rarely been times in Genesys where a deck has been pointed into oblivion unless it was a new archetype coming in that was very clearly going to get hit. The only one that comes to mind in that regard is Dracotail, because it came in virtually unpointed as it was considered the weakest JUHU deck in Advanced the same way Tearlaments was considered the weaker POTE archetype.

Matter of fact, my deck got fucked in the usual way by today's point update; I had to move a few generic cards in and out of my deck, but for the most part I was unphased.
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>>97649343
Fusion Substitutes were niche even back in the day. Future Fusion was always broken. It was an anime card they decided to print, and like all anime cards, was busted.

I always take great pride in the fact Magical Scientist OTK was discovered in the US, not Japan, you got me on Cyberstein though. I do think, if megamorph never existed, or if the game stayed at 4,000 life in the OCG like it was when Stein was first printed, it wouldn't even be note worthy.
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YGOPro is the single best card game program I've seen. There's nothing like it for any other card game.

I love card games but I do NOT want to argue over rulings or keep track of things myself. The official games/apps are usually fine but with all the gacha and other hypermonetization I just can't be fucked.

YGOPro (EDOPro now, actually) lets me make a deck with any damn cards in the game for free and then play with that. The only problem remaining is finding someone of similar skill level and game knowledge so I don't get absolutely wiped.
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>>97671627
Its kind of insane how YGO has not 1 but 3 fantastic truely free simulators that each cover a niche. EDOpro for utilitarians and toasters, YGOomega for people who want better visuals than EDO, and MDpro3 for people who want a master duel clone.
Meanwhile MTG and PTCG, while objectively more popular, are still stuck using what are effectively Dueling book tier manual simulators.
I can kind of understand why pokemon doesn't due to the community being made of mega bootlickers that will report themselves like retards, but for MTG it's baffling how they dont have one. I can understand arena being well made but considering it doesn't support commander and how pro-proxies their community is it's odd.
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>>97672716
Omega's also for people that just want quick pick-up games since it has casual matchmaking. Disable social features, queue up for casual, and just play a quick round or two before fucking off and doing something else.
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>join casual EDOPro room
>my first draw has 2 hand traps
>guy throws out a combo starter
>"I know what to do here!"
>ash blossom
>unphased, he throws out a second combo starter
>"okay, this has to be it!"
>effect veiler
>unphased, he proceeds to throw out 30 additional cards

this isn't even a proper meta deck he's using, is it?

I get this is le skill issue but like what am I actually meant to do and where if I don't have intimate familiarity with my opponent's fagginess? Should I just always hold out for like 3 to 5 cards into a combo before even trying to break it? I feel like even if I had 5 hand traps that wouldn't be enough and then at the end I'd still be taking 7000 damage and have no cards left in my hand or on my board, there's nothing I can fucking topdeck to make a comeback from this much niggering.

This definitely crosses the line in a casual lobby either way. What does "casual" even mean if it doesn't at least mean "don't do shit like this."
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>>97677351
>what am I actually meant to do and where if I don't have intimate familiarity with my opponent's fagginess?
Gain familiarity with it? Matchup knowledge is a factor and handtraps are only silver bullets when you have said matchup knowledge backing it up. For the record, the correct play is to hold out until they trigger Tatsunootoshigo's effect.
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>>97677470
>Gain familiarity with it?
I'll probably never see this guy or his deck ever again and my next 30 losses will be to different decks. I don't have the brain power to instantaneously memorize the deck of every opponent I play after one game, either.
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>>97677487
You still need to gain familiarity with it if you don't want to lose to it, and one of the ways to do that is to lose to it so that you can identify its chokepoints. That's why a Match is Best of 3. If you don't expect to see it any time soon, just erase it from memory until the next time you do. But if you expect to see it again, or alternatively if you're PISSED because of what happened, commit the following to memory.

One of Memento's things is that it has a lot of redundancy baked into its kit, and that kept it a low-level Meta deck for a while. They can continue playing through interruption, but Tatsunootoshigo is their biggest chokepoint since it's what lets them crap a bunch of their cards into their GY.

You also don't want them to resolve Akihiron when they can conduct a battle phase. That is a win condition for them.



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