>It's another DND where orcs are warlike warriors looking for a fight>It's another DND where elves are druids who care for the worldWhy does DND literally always do this?
>>97671358>It's another Star Wars where the jedi have lightsabers
>>97671358>>97671370... ok?
>>97671358Have you ever looked at Eberron or Darksun? Off the top of my head those two do not do that
Have you tried not playing DnDogshit?
>>97671479>retarded nogames thinks only D&D did this.
It's another thread wherein OP wrestles with the imaginary problems that exist in his own head
>>97671358>It's another generic fantasy setting where the fantasy is generic
>>97671358People like familiarity
>>97671499It says DND in the op you gobnobbler. >>97671358Hippy nerds make a lot of media. Have for decades.
>>97671719So? Playing something else is not really going to change anything, retard.
>>97671358Well in the case of Orcs, that’s what they were made for. A race of violent brutes that can serve as unambiguously evil henchmen the PCs don’t have to feel any moral conflict over beating the shit out of over and over. The way I see it, you May as well just lean into it and run them like ORKS.>elves.Well… blame a combination of gross oversimplification of how Tolkien portrayed elves and the fact that WotC introduced Gnomes such that they are now filling the role of strange, mischievous, fey-adjacent creatures that are also somewhat crafty. So now you can’t move elves back to their roots either. Leaving them in this weird space of being haughty trust fund kids with magic that never die. Because it’s the only role left.
>>97671358>Why does DND literally always do this?I mean, not "always". Elves couldn't be druids in 1e or 2e.
Because the point of generic fantasy races and tropes is to give players an instant feeling of being able to understand the world and make rational choices. If you do >um my orcs are actually all peace loving guardians of ancient - you are a retard. You are using the "orc", a stock character there to give your players easily understandable context to play in, and rug pulling them.If you do not want to use the generic tropes, call them something else.
>>97671358>it's another thread where OP sucks dicks
>>97671783>playing something else Go try it nogames.
>>97672010No u, retard who plays zero games.
>>97671358Yeah I hate that
>>97671867I mean, it is ultimately better to have the “totally “novel” DM subversion race” be something wholly original and unmistakable as anything else, if only so genre-savvy players don’t accidentally try to graft on any unintended presumptions about them.> orc camp“Whelp! Better clear these bad guys out before they get up to no good”> village of large talking squirrels, or something “What the fuuuck? Um, does my character know what these are?”
>>97672372yes, that's what I'm saying. Only use the word elf or orc if you WANT players to interact with them using genre assumptions.
>>97671358That's what orcs are and that's what elves are. If you don't like it you don't need to have them in your setting, feeling like you need to have them but turn them into something else is retarded.
>>97672386Though you can still do your own thing with them! Just make sure that whatever you do with them, the player-assumed reaction to them is still largely appropriate. You can still do the “smart orc” just make sure that they are still violent assholes.
>>97671358Are you one of those faggots that uses "DND" and "RPG" interchangeably? Because you should consider deleting yourself.
>>97671358This has not happened in at least 10 years
>>97672386>>97672707With the caveat that, obviously, if the point IS to throw the players off-kilter.
>>97671466>>97672324Eberron is not a real setting.
>>97671358>elves are druidsI have always found that sort of grating. It should be that elves absolutely hate druids, especially the elves that live in the forests because that's basically same as inviting pyromaniac to your house made of matchsticks.
>>97674239It's a pretty fun setting. Not sure what weird ass Scotsman logic is being used and frankly I don't care.It does some interesting things to classic races, except dwarves kinda boring there.
>>97672324Damned if the slightly Arabic Klingon elves are not a good time.
>>97674563>except dwarves kinda boring there.>he didn't read Exploring Eberron
>>97671358Because the whole point is familiarity
>>97674239>Spelling it correctlyHow dare you stand were he stood.
>>97674570From what I recall it added depth, but really the dwarves are just well, classic dwarves for the most part. That is what I mean by boring compared to the spin most other fantasy races got.
>>97674601They're dwarves with aberrant augmentations.
>>97674617Ya know what, I'll give you that. KB added some interesting things to them but that not what is presented in the core books.The core books present them as pretty standard dwarves.
>>97674628>KB added some interesting things to them but that not what is presented in the core books.It's literally in the core Eberron book.
>>97674647They are basic dwarves with access to it, yes. But they are still basic dwarves man. IDK what to tell you. You think that is enough to make them a huge radical change, I do not.
>>97671358>make orc a generic tribal bad guy>fa/tg/uy cires about it being generic>make orc a soft-spoken intellectual>fa/tg/uy cries about snowflakes trying too hard>play DnD without fa/tg/uy at the table>game is fun, whatever role the orc playssimple as
>>97671358>Why does DND literally always do this?Social inertia and the same retard buying DND would rage over any change, call for its boycott, describe it as the worst things ever.Given the current climate also expect any original choices to be called political woke propaganda, so for big companies sticking to generic Tolkien variation n°7256 is less trouble.That and so they can make sexy elf on the cover instead of monsters down the uncanny valley.
>>97675286I prefer elves to with inhuman borderline creepy looking huge bouncing titties.
>>97671358I don't know, OP. Have you ever dropped an apple from your hand and wondered why it falls down and not up?
>>97671358Because it's better
>>97675387this guy gets it
>>97671358>MY dwarves are tall yodeling fungus people that reside in sky-fortresses powered by hopes, dreams and unicorn spunk>MY elves are subterrenean unnaturally pale lizard-people with no eyes and a taste for flipplebloops and their racial pastime is playing cardbattlers
>>97677201> “well my Dwarves are stubborn hipsters”> “and My elves are snotty, immortal trust fund brats and neppo-babies”> “-except drow, they’re Chaotic Stupid backstabbing goths”
>>97677201>unnaturally pale lizard-people with no eyes and a taste for flipplebloops and their racial pastime is playing cardbattlersI roomed with some guys like that in college. Nice dudes.
>>97671358>it's another tennis match where they hit a ball with racketsWhy is OP always a faggot?
>>97671358Genre tropes exist for a reason. Don't use long-established fantasy races if you don't want to invoking those tropes. If you want to rugpull your audience by involving those races while having them be different, then build atop the tropes instead of replacing them. Have orcs be the premiere military engineers or a seafaring pirate coalition.Have elfs be memory-digesting cannibals that eat their foes to learn their ways and how to counter them to preserve the world.
How backwards are orcs from a cultural and religious perspective?
>>97679722Depends on the setting. Most are just barbarians following a war god on conquest
>>97679722I feel like orcs can make do with way less than most other races. Even the most primitive group of humans need to learn how to live in their environment and rely on cooperation. Orcs on the other hand can (often literally) brute force most problems that come their way.
>>97679722what do you get out of this, genuinely?
>>97674554High Elf societies are run by Wizards, Wood Elf societies are run by Druids and Rangers. These things were clear before they removed racial attribute bonuses for being "racist"
>>97671358>normalfag wants subversive character design againtry>>>/reddit/
>>97677298How is that any different from their usual depiction?
We have overdosed on >wHoA YoU tOtalLy SuBvErTeD mY ExPeCtAtIoNs Xdddddddddddddlike 15 years ago. It's nice to have expectations met.
>>97679722Well the Nyambe setting actually was home to that “once proud warrior society” the not-bloodthirsty orcs whine about. Called the Kosan Orcs, they did actually build an empire in the jungles and it was a proper empire, with cities and buildings and all that. Kosan Orcs were even articulate and could speak in full sentences, with proper grammar. They were also racist, sexist, elitist, slavers that only valued power and would each amass vast arsenals of magical weapons and armor to make themselves stronger. Actually based on the lore, the Kosan Orcs might be responsible for the existence of Dragonborn, the Kosan Orcs would force some of their human slaves to breed with dragons in the hopes of getting slaves with sorcerous bloodlines, since in their minds, having a magic-slave is akin to having a hands-free, multipurpose smart-wand that casts itself, and thus something that an Orc warrior can use to flex on his peers.Unsurprisingly, their arrogance was their ultimate downfall, see Kosan Orcs see women as property, and they see humans as being nothing better than slaves, so human woman would be seen as something even less. So little did they think of human woman that they had no issue letting their women slaves shave them and cut their hair. So several of those women hatched a plan and the next time the Kosan leadership needed to be groomed, they slit their throats and started a rebellion that largely drove the Kosan Orcs from Nyambe. The Orcs of other fantasy settings being the degenerate descendants of those exiles.So you tell me?
