Glory to the Khan edition>Previous Heresy: >>97661669>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:What unit that is not typical to your legion is the one you want to use the most?
How exactly do I model a tank as being a commander's tank in ligma? Just mount a north korean portrait sized company banner to the tank? Obviously if this was Space Marine Epic Battles Conflict Titan Legion (1994) doing exactly that would be what Jervis Johnson and Andy Chambers intended but would it look too over the top with modern models?
>>97674136>What unit that is not typical to your legionI have no idea what you are talking about.
>>97674165Use one of the bodies sticking out of the cupola, or fold some aluminum foil around a pit for a flag, or give it a custom paintjob
Have to wash a bunch of fiddly resin shit from FW, ok to scrub after leaving soaking in soapy water overnight or should I just do the quick soap rinse?
.>Emperor explicitly lets Lorgar do whatever the fuck he wants>Full and complete knowledge of Lorgar spreading the Lectitio Divinitatus faith to every planet he brings to compliance>rubs Lorgar's face in his own piss at an entirely arbitrary point over a hundred years laterSeriously what the actual fuck is his problem? Is he stupid?
>Vexilla should be on the equipment list rather than needing its own option (otherwise it's just bloat)>The unit sergeant should be able to take one of the items on the equipment list rather than all 3 needing to go on the grunts (because the Sarge having the Vexilla makes sense, it hurts my autism to have a Sarge, Vexilla, Vox and 7 basic grunts in a squad rather than Sarge w/ Vexilla, Vox Operator/SiC and 8 grunts)>All basic units, even bikers/jump packs should have all 3 equipment list options (the fact Jump Pack Heralds and the MoD exist proves the idea of jump pack + vexilla/vox isn't somehow an issue)>The Sarge's melee weapon should be in addition to his bolter and bolt pistol (which is how it worked in 2.0 anyway)>Chain-Bayonets and chainswords should become a single 'chainblade' option that doesn't require the wielder to use a bolter (and thus TSS/HSS should also get them)>Veteran Assault Squads need a non-Jump Pack Veteran Despoiler Squad variant>Despoiler Squads should be able to swap their bolt pistols for combat shields or swap their chainswords for a second bolt pistol/heavy chainsword (which is also how it worked in 2.0 anyway)>There should be an errata/BRB rule that says "if the entire unit has to swap its X when taking an option, different unit options that would swap X on a model per model basis swap with the new option instead" (eg: a Despoiler Squad that swapped its bolt pistols for combat shields can still take the 1/5 pistol option and it now replaces the shield)>Combi-Grenade Launchers should be renamed to combi-launchers because the previous name is annoying to type and get their frag profile (with Pinning) back (I also like the idea of a smoke profile that lets them place a 3" pie-plate that gives Shrouded when shot through, I like smoke rounds in general, they're fun)
>>97674248>Minor/Major combi-weapons should be a thing again, with Minor (flamer/launcher) being unlimited and Major (everything else) one-use (No idea about the Combi-Volkite though, it being one-use is dumb but being unlimited makes volkite chargers obsolete)>Veteran Heavy Support Squads should be renamed to Veteran Support Squads because the previous name is annoying to type and be buffed to BS5>Command Squads should be 2 models can take an option from the special weapons list or heavy weapons list rather than 1/5 (so you can run a squad of 9 where the 10th guy is the Praetor/Centurion/Optae)>Breachers should be able to take a weapon from the special weapons list or combi-weapons list for 1/5 instead of the grav-gun/lascutter (which is again how it worked in 2.0)>Tacticals, Despoilers and Assaults should also be able to take a weapon from the special weapons list or combi-weapons list for 1/5, for the latter 2 this is mutually exclusive with the pistols list (because Guilliman's idea should have been to give them 1 special and 1 heavy rather than 2 specials, not the current case of Despoilers and Assaults get 40% of the unit as specialists with a better melee weapon/pistol but Tacticals are entirely bolters, that is dumb)>TSS/HSS/Veteran Support Squads should be able to keep their bolters, with the former two just required to take the same choice on any model upgraded with a special/heavy weapon (to let people build entire squads of the same weapon while also catering to autistic fucks like me who like the idea of Sarge, Vox Operator/SiC, 4 Gunners and 4 Assistant Gunners)This is my autistic list of fixes I think 30k needs. Any issues of balance can be solved by kicking the relevant WAACfag in the balls, 30k should be a narrative themed historical, not competitive anyway
>>97674233Reminder that the Heresy was part of the Emperor's plan, it just happened too early
>>97674233My impression was that Big E didn’t know about the religious stuff until he checked in with the Legion wondering why they were going so slow reclaiming worlds. Then he went to go get Gulliman to do the whole humbling deal.
>>97674233Surely deducing that the Emperor wanted the Imperium to be secular and atheist shouldn't have been a surprise given how hard the Imperial Truth had been pushed from day 1.
>>97674251>Veteran Heavy Support Squads should be renamed to Veteran Support Squads because the previous name is annoying to type and be buffed to BS5No faggot BS5 heavy weapons enmasse are gay and retarded, do not
>>97674248>Vexilla should be on the equipment listWrong. Some units have access to equipment, but not the vexilla. >The sergeant should have communication equipment/bannersWrong. Historically the banner bearer was never one of the leading officers. Even today the communications specialist is never the commander.>Even bikers/jump packs should have all 3 optionsWrong. Hurtling at high speeds through the air or on a bike has a much higher cognition load. Even for a marine, fiddling with scanning/communication equipment at the same time as make sure they don't crash into something is not realistic.>Melee weapon should be in addition to bolter and bolt pistol on sergeantsCertain veteran units still can have exactly that. It's pointless now anyway, since bolters no longer prevent charging and bolt pistols don't provide +1 melee attack. And fitting all that equipment on a single model always looks like a mess. >Bunch of insane suggestions about chainswords and bayonetsAre you fucking high? Melee weapon options for HSS? Get the fuck out of here.>Veteran despoilersI-did-not-read-the-book-and-don't-know-centurion-command-squad-exists. They're exactly that, only in a different FOC slot. There's zero reason to have two copies of the exact same unit with only a different FOC slot.>Combat shield despoilersWrong. Just play SW if you're that desperate.>>97674251All of these are even more retarded or show you haven't read any of the new rulebooks. It's a good thing the rules don't cater to retards with terminal autism like you, bloody hell.
>>97674356NTA but did you even read that post? MoS can take bikes and jump packs and the master of descent exists>Wrong. Historically the banner bearer was never one of the leading officers. Even today the communications specialist is never the commander.This isn't a historical, 90% of the time in the art the Sergeant has the Vexilla and in first edition some Sergeants took the vox (in the support squads, for example)
>>97674356>Muh historical should dictate HH rulesUnironically kill yourself
>>97674366>Senior officer specialist with decades or even centuries of experience can do something a basic grunt can'tSay it ain't so. Master of Signals wasn't allowed a bike in older editions by the way.>>97674381>Thinking historicals have nothing to do with HH or warhammer in general for that matterI wish all the fucking tourists would go fuck off already.
>>97674390>Master of Signals wasn't allowed a bike in older editions by the way.And some sergeants could take a vox in older editions, are you actually retarded?
>>97674400Augury scanner, not the nuncio vox. Easy mistake to make, when you're a tourist who has never read any of the rulebooks.
>>97674406>He's actually retarded and is trying to argue about older editions without having actually read the rules
The price for the 5 red corsairs is delulu levels of greed, such a jab in the ribs that it has the old style heresy designs in many of the bits. We could have had 20 man tac boxes in that style, instead we got nu-slop.
>>97674414Obvious shop is obviousHint, the unit buys the heavy bolter from the heavy weapons list, so the sergeant doesn't start out with one to exchange>>97674415Go back to /40kg/, secondary
>>97674419Post minis
I wish Forge World had its own magazine for Horus Heresy and Specialist Games. I've just been reading Fanatic magazine. The Storm Over Gehenna mini campaign in issue 2 is the fluffiest and most inventive missions/scenarios I've ever seen in my life. Makes me want to convert or scratch build epic scale karybdis drop pods, that tank landing thunderhawk, titan coffin ships and some kind of proxy milita conscript squad to be able to properly adapt it to heresy era.
>>97674136Skyhunter jetbikes
>>97674233how many times does a father has to say "don't do drugs or I will cut you off from money/dissowe you?" back in my days the number of such talks would be 1(one).
villain since a itsy bitsy zygote...
>>97674485make your own fan mag bro, ask around the internet heresy community
Is Gulliman’s primarch book worth reading? I was disappointed there wasn’t a lot of character exploration in Know No Fear, though what little was there was neat.
>>97674614Know No Fear is the best UM and Guilliman novel.
Iron Warriors Tyrant Seige terminators in indomitus armour done. Not a fan of modern GW kit design, but these went together quite nicely. Put way to much time into the squad leader, and even now I think the thing on his chest is off-centre but its hard to tell. Hammer is maybe a bit to long aswell, but might be fine on models as big as terminators...?Idea is that the squad leader is one of Perturabo's old Tyranthikos bodyguard, now cast aside and outcast, has taken up with my loyalist force :]Inspired by this art here: https://static.wikitide.net/1d6chanwiki/9/9c/Iron-warriors-terminators-1024x1024.jpg>>97674165Just model the guy in the cupola as a special looking guy, anything to make him look like a character and not just a normal crew member. Could give the tank a banner or special markings to I guess. If banner then the command squad has two nice ones to pick from that would stand out nicely, could make the guy hold one if you wanted to.>>97674415They're great looking models but yeah it fucking sucks they got a 5 model kit. Glad I'm just running my Alpha legion as raiders instead.>>97674248>The unit sergeant should be able to take one of the items on the equipment list rather than all 3 needing to go on the grunts (because the Sarge having the Vexilla makes sense, it hurts my autism to have a Sarge, Vexilla, Vox and 7 basic grunts in a squad rather than Sarge w/ Vexilla, Vox Operator/SiC and 8 grunts)I think it make sense and helps break up the amount of bog standard bolter marines by making some semi specialists. Lets the unit leader focus on actually leading the squad than splitting his focus on scanning/voxing/making sure the banner isn't catching on doorways, etc.>>97674614I don't remember it being anything special, but I do remember it. Which is more than I can say for some of the books. If you get it for free why not, otherwise I don't think I'd pay for it (again, goes for many of the books).
Would you like a Davinite Lodge Priest in plastic?
>>97674649fearsome looking tbhdesui think it will all be tied together very nicely with a pretty gnarly in tone paintjob concerning weathering atop the IW scheme
>>97674649At the least the leader should get the Vexilla, he's portrayed with it in most artwork and unlike the vox/scanner it doesn't need him to do shit
Why sid they just make four plastic characters and then stop? I've seen more Fafnir Rann conversions then any other character.
>>97674591making my own homebrew content fanzine would be a butiful dream idea. Not sure I'd be a good editor (at least based on how Jervis Johnson described his role running fanatic press) since idk shit about journalism or management. My partner is a journalist and could help with typesetting and copyediting but there's only so much editorial I could offload on someone whose eyes glaze over when I talk about the siege of terra and main setting knowledge is that Catachans are vietnam themed beefcakes. There's also the point of what to include. If it was heresy themed it would be Horus Heresy, Titanicus, Aeroautica, Legions Imperialis and a little Zone Mortalis but it might need more games like Fanatics stacked roster but including stuff like BFG would dilute the theme. the FFG roleplay games have a lively homebrew scene including Heresy themed stuff for DW/BC but they seem to have their own thing going for dropping new fansplats.
>>97674709New characters at Adepticon, trust.
>>97674248>Vexilla should be on the equipment listThis would fix EC Inductii being the ONLY inductii lacking a Vexilla: even AL wearing false colors get theirs. It's bullshit and there's no other descriptive possible.But add the restriction that a unit may not have duplicates. Also, it's gotta be 3 models in the unit who can take from the equipment list, as otherwise you won't be able to have a vexilla, a vox and an augury scanner on the same unit.>The sarge should be able to take one of the items on the equipment list rather than all 3 needing to go on the gruntsModify the option to read "Up to 3 MODELS in the unit may have one item each from the Legion Equipment list selected for them". That solves it.>All basic units, even bikers/jump packs should have all 3 equipment list optionsOk>The Sarge's melee weapon should be in addition to his bolter and bolt pistol (which is how it worked in 2.0 anyway)Agreed. Sarges are almost irrelevant now. I'd let them issue duels desu. Sarge vs Sarge would be fun...but i bet having 10 duels a turn would suck lmao>Veteran Assault Squads need a non-Jump Pack Veteran Despoiler Squad variantOk>There should be an errata/BRB rule that says "if the entire unit has to swap its X when taking an option, different unit options that would swap X on a model per model basis swap with the new option instead"Isn't this unnecessary?>Combi-Grenade Launchers should be renamed to combi-launchers because the previous name is annoying to type and get their frag profile (with Pinning) back (I also like the idea of a smoke profile that lets them place a 3" pie-plate that gives Shrouded when shot through, I like smoke rounds in general, they're fun)Yes to the name and Pinning (0). No to shrouded for simplicity's sake - the unit instead gains the SMOKE keyword.
>>97674251>Minor/Major combi-weapons should be a thing againCombi-flamers cause Panic, so they can't be infinite. Also, true Volkite chargers are Assault, and combi ones aren't, which matters for non-terminators. For Termies, combi-volkites are an increade to firepower that they pay for, so it's fine.What isn't fine is them paying full price for a combi when they already have a combi-bolter. They should pay 5 pts less.>Veteran Heavy Support Squads should be renamed to Veteran Support Squads because the previous name is annoying to type and be buffed to BS5No, sorry. Spamming big guns on VEQ is good enough, believe me. But I'll call them Veteran Support Squads and give them options for Chainswords/axes when using Special weapons, or Bayonets when using Heavy weapons>Command Squads should be 2 models can take an option from the special weapons list or heavy weapons list rather than 1/5 (so you can run a squad of 9 where the 10th guy is the Praetor/Centurion/Optae)Ok. >Breachers should be able to take a weapon from the special weapons list or combi-weapons list for 1/5 instead of the grav-gun/lascutter (which is again how it worked in 2.0)Sorry anon, but they can’t wield Volkite calivers or Rotor cannons using a single hand. No combis either. 1/5 of Grav gun, Lascutter, Meltagun, Flamer, or Plasma gun.>Tacticals, Despoilers and Assaults should also be able to take a weapon from the special weapons list or combi-weapons list for 1/5, for the latter 2 this is mutually exclusive with the pistols list No. No combi-weapons. Despoilers and Assault squads will get access to Special Weapons by swapping their chainblade AND pistol, which is what will make it non-compatible with the Pistols List (no more pistol to swap).Tacticals will get the option to swap a bolter for a Special weapon. To differentiate, Guilliman’s Inductii will take from the Special and Heavy lists.>TSS/HSS/Veteran Support Squads should be able to keep their boltersOk
>>97674248>>97674251>Chain-Bayonets and chainswords should become a single 'chainblade' option that doesn't require the wielder to use a bolter (and thus TSS/HSS should also get them)Disagree: Tacs & TSS should get optional chainswords, but currently all they'd gain is AP5 on their melee, as well as Shred 6 (on AP5), which is USELESS. Same for Bayonets & Chainbayonets.Meaning reworking chainswords is necessary. But if they are, then chainaxes, heavy chainswords and heavy chainaxes also need a rework. I would LIKE chainswords to be +1A and have the other chainblades I mentioned have their Init penalties lessened...but on the 1A-3A range that would make chainswords do more damage than chainaxes, which isn't acceptable.So, I propose chainswords, chainaxes, heavy chainswords and heavy chainaxes all gain +1S. I know this sounds like a lot, but as it is right now, chainswords are almost imperceptible in marine vs marine combat. Some units have to give up a bolter for a chainsword, and that's awful. At least this way it'd be a thing.It also lets Chain-Bayonets to be perceivably different from regular bayonets: S+1. Furthermore, on bayonets and chain-bayonets, I would also let bayonets grant the Assault trait to the gun they're mounted on (i.e.: bolters & Kraken bolters), but the model is forced to use the bayonet as their melee weapon on a turn they use their gun as an assault weapon>Despoiler Squads should be able to swap their bolt pistols for combat shields or swap their chainswords for a second bolt pistol/heavy chainsword (which is also how it worked in 2.0 anyway)Ok, BUT you also have to consider giving Despoilers +1A with chainswords or chainaxes on the charge. Seeing how you'll let them get heavy chainswords en masse, then the former 1/5 option for heavy chainswords is replaced with a 1/5 option for heavy chainaxes. And despoilers may swap their chainswords for chainaxes for free like Assault marines if they so wish.
Oh forgot to add. Please change Vexillas to add Combat Res for every Vexilla in the combat, rather than for every unit with a vexilla.Centurions can bring their own vexillas, and i'd like theirs to stack with their unit's
>>97674356>Historically the banner bearer was never one of the leading officers.I happen to think it looks cool
>>97674356>Certain veteran units still can have exactly that. It's pointless now anyway, since bolters no longer prevent charging and bolt pistols don't provide +1 melee attack. And fitting all that equipment on a single model always looks like a mess.The fact that it is pointless is a failure of the rules that should be fixed, not tolerated. Also, Veterans used to be able to take a bolter, pistol and melee weapon. That should happen still.>command-squad-existsI agree with that other anon that Melee Vets on foot should exist and be different from Company Command Squads, as to:1. Be Veterans instead of Retinue2. Have no access to Company Standards3. Have no access to 1/5 Special or Heavy weapons4. Have no squadwide access to Shotguns, Disintegrator rifles or Volkite chargersNarrow-minded fool you are, you could write the upcoming 40k 11th edition.
>>97674419>the unit buys the heavy bolter from the heavy weapons listNow it is so. Doesn't need to be. Some things were good before, some things are better now.We should have both. We could have what used to be good, and keep what became better.
>>97674663Plan is a targeted rust wash and sponge chipping with a brown like rhinox hide for texture. Done it before and it comes out well I think.Ignore the silver DW pad>>97674709The plastic characters where for the Black library celebration. We might get more at some point but resin characters are the norm unfortunately.That said, maybe if GW thinks heresy is big enough we might get plastics at some point. Lord knows GW themselves aren't fans of having to bugger about with resin production themselves. But the changeover could be 10+ years away.>>97674786>I happen to think it looks coolReal. At the end of the day 30k is more casual than something like 40k tourneys. Most people won't care if stuff is modelled one way but actually rules wise on a grunt. Most are willing to bend minor rules like that to.
>>97674406No, Nuncio vox -> >>97674823It was the TSS sarge who could swap the flamer for a bolter/chainsword + augury.But indeed the HSS sarge could have a Power Fist, a bolter, a nuncio vox and an augury scanner. And issue a challenge.
>>97674765>Isn't this unnecessary?It's to stop rules lawyering>No, sorry. Spamming big guns on VEQ is good enough, believe me. But I'll call them Veteran Support Squads and give them options for Chainswords/axes when using Special weapons, or Bayonets when using Heavy weaponsYeah fair>Sorry anon, but they can’t wield Volkite calivers or Rotor cannons using a single hand. No combis either. 1/5 of Grav gun, Lascutter, Meltagun, Flamer, or Plasma gun.I forgot about the caliver/rotor cannon desu>No. No combi-weapons. Despoilers and Assault squads will get access to Special Weapons by swapping their chainblade AND pistol, which is what will make it non-compatible with the Pistols List (no more pistol to swap).Tacticals will get the option to swap a bolter for a Special weapon. To differentiate, Guilliman’s Inductii will take from the Special and Heavy lists.The combi thing was just because I like the grenade launchers
>>97674855Weird that there's no Grenade launcher as a special weapon. Weirder that in 40k all combis are [Generic combi]...but there are underslung grenade launchers.
>>97674941Auxiliary grenade launchers used to be common.
>>97674944Is that a combi-pistol? Cyraxus would've brought them back. So much has been forgotten, never to be regained...
>>97674941I'd kill for a generic grenade launcher special, as I mentioned with the bit about smoke I like the idea of weapons that have more than one use (even if it doesn't do any of them optimally).Also combi-launcher/underslung grenade launcher is the most logical combi weapon for an officer, you cannot dissuade me of this
When will we get a model of Fulgrim with his iconic unicorn horn?
>>97675013Given the obsession the current designers have with pickelhaubes, it'll be any day now
>>97674714I won't post on and on about the Zine idea but I've decided I'll do it as side projectI have homebrew I've been toying with for my own games 1 campaign/scenario pack, 6 "new" units and a terrain piece guide/template. All AT/LI tho so I'd have to do stuff for HH or canvas others. aint finna post about it any time soon until I have worthwhile content..
>>97674661Fun & fluffy, as long as they don't make it a named character
>>97674983I suppose missile launchers are more of a direct upgrade so they take the place of them except as small combis?I'd be fine with someone with grenade launchers modelled like >>97674941 but played as missile launchers.
Could this pass as recon/seeker marine?
>>97675150he looks sneaky
>>97674614Be careful downloading it. The one I read was fine until the paragraph where guilliman fists Marius gage.
>>97675189Thanks I was going for a sneaky, no beaky feel.
>>97674948it's an auxiliary grenade launcher. not really a combi, but not really a pistol either.
>>97675150Yeah totaly. Only thing to keep in mind would be about which one it is. He looks like he could be either, but if you are running both at the same time you want something to tell the differnce between the two. For recons I'd complete the look with a cloak, and for seekers I'd probably go with another head. Could do that by pinning without glueing maybe.
>>97675324The bolt pistol is a regular bolt pistol with the grenade launcher attached to it.
>>97674136GLORY TO THE FIFTH
>>97674419>Go back to /40kg/, secondaryeveryone that owns warhammer models is a primary player.
Post HQ conversions. I haven't been about in a while; what's new?
>>97675435this guy will be painted after I finish my quad turrets which are surprisingly a pain in the ass to paint.
>>97674165short banner hanging from the barrel of the main gun
>>97674356>Wrong. Historically the banner bearer was never one of the leading officers. Even today the communications specialist is never the commander.Vexillarius was an officer rank in the roman army; if they'd had battlefield comms that would have been a rank toofor oldhammer it's a little different; 40k originally had musicians (tho I'm not certain I recall the rules...) as well as standard bearers, but they were never as prevalent or necessary as the standard bearers/musicians in whfb, and the formal banners that actually did cool stuff didn't come about until the proto-codexes in 1991-1992the squad (and when the combat squads rule was introduced, second-squad) banners were never anything, the only reason most people had them was because a proportion of plastic backpacks came with the pole already on
>>97674709bit of a waste when most of the range is still waiting to come out of resin
>>97674165Banner (with a photo of your face as an imaginifer).
Any fun ideas for Nullificator Aether-shock Mauls? The power maces in the kit kind of suck.
>>97675683It's suppose to use volkite tech, so maybe borrow some volkite design cues? Two "barrels", coils, etc.
>>97675341Would bare=seekers. cloak=recons be okey to make one type of squad different from the other. Or do I have to paint the recons in Spetsnaz camo too?
>>97675435A chaplain. Librarian. a Herlad and 2 centurions. Formaly jump pack DW Companions.
>>97674786That is because command is too important to wear a target on their backsits not cool, just retarded.
>>97675683>serpenta coils between the mace head and handle>4 charger muzzles as a head
>>97675752Anon, the officers wear the fanciest armor/clothes, are typically the only ones wielding melee weapons, often aren't wearing helmet, and frequently sally forth to duel the opposing combatant, we're far beyond OPSEC being a thing in universe
>>97675683Snip the little wire and have a wire that plugs into the armor
>>97675752Space marine leaders lead from the front and camoflauge is the color of cowardice. No self-respecting space marine officer should be passing off squad banner duties to one of his subordinates. It's his fuckin squad anyways!
>Still no mk2/mk3 legion upgrades
i have made a very silly purchasenow to choose a titan legion
>>97675683Bull Centaur maces, go full magic weapon
>>97676013Legio Negrus (The Broken Bucks)
>>97676035Now that's a downright peculiar legio.
>>97674415The models are ugly as fuck so who gives a shit. I hope they scalp your fucking wallet alive.
>>97676013Kulisaetai!
>>97674251>(No idea about the Combi-Volkite though, it being one-use is dumb but being unlimited makes volkite chargers obsolete)Doesn't have to be obsolete, just needs to be priced correctly. The advantage is that you get to shoot both a bolter and a volkite charger together, the disadvantage is the points premium to strap a bolter to your charger and the limited availability for who can get them.
>>97676013Can't go wrong with MURDER LORDS
>>97676145>buy full sized titan>paint it black with some senticle flamesIt's pretty easy to go wrong with murder lords
>>97675347>lascannons with underslung grenade launcher>combat knives with underslung grenade launcher
>>97676013From a recaster I'm guessing? Don't think GW sell these anymore.
>>97676260>power fist with underslung grenade launcher
>>97676013Just missed a full size nemesis on ebay for 2k....everyone else selling them for like 4k+.....might say fuck it and pull the trigger on a recaster, I have a recast warhound coming, well see if its good.
>>97676277Did you want it for the price? The warbringer is ugly.
>>97676273That's almost already a thing. We got flamer and bolter fists.
>>97676273>grenade launcher with underslung grenade launcher
>>97676299I have 2 legit warhounds, a recast warhound coming and a legit reaver, planning on getting a warlord, so I may as well try to complete the set. I had to dive into a real life den of nurgle and shave several years off my already failing health/life to save my reaver and first warhound recently, so im in this shit for the long haul.
>>97675919>It's his fuckin squad anyways!Artarion is...Artarion. My shadow, just as I am his. It is rare among our number for any knight to lay aside personal glory, yet Artarion is the one who carries my banner into battle
>>97676354>gaaaaaaay
>>97676299NTA but while it's no classic titan I love it basically being a giant walking artillery platformIf you don't take the quake cannon you're a fag. Not that you have any choice with the 28mm version
>>97676273Need more fist-mounted guns. Garrius has the right idea>>97676312By all means
>>97676304>almost
>>97676368> I love it basically being a giant walking artillery platformAnon, ALL titans are walking artillery platforms. You can argue against warhounds I suppose but your leaning into semantics. There's nothing terribly unique about having that firing platform except that it has the only titan gun that could function as an non-missile artillery piece, depending on how creative you want to get with a gatling blaster.
>>97676424>but your leaning into semanticsYou are. I just think the literal platform with giant artillery gun on it is neat. meanwhile you're being pic rel.
>>97676461I realized that when I had to rewrite the post three times but I can't let that effort go to waste now, can I?Besides it's ugly so you're wrong for liking it, how dare you
>>97675752>command is too important to wear a target on their backsBruh. This is a setting where commanders go into melee lmao
>>97674855>>97674983You have convinced me. Tacs will get 1/5 specials or combis
>>97676354>he has to cite ADBjust admit defeat my nigga
Imagine being one of the serfs in charge of preening Sanguinius' wings for him.
>>97676368>If you don't take the quake cannon you're a fag.This goes for warlords too. I respect anyone who takes the traditional quake cannon + gatling blaster (or plasma) arm loadouts.
>>97676673Quake cannon only really matches well with volcano cannons, that -1 to hit at short range really screws with you.
>>97676595I'm both supporting of sarges with banners (we can always use more little flags) and supporting of dedicated vexillarii.These are not mutually exclusive alternatives. You should be able to put a little flag on the sarge if you want, or have someone else carry it for him.That decision should fall to you, the player. Your dudes doing things differently from other dudes is what differentiates them.I'm also for letting sergeants carry the auspex or vox themselves. It's been known to happen, especially on squads with better guns.
>>97676629imagine the smell ?>>97676673if i ever get a warlord it's going to be gatling and plasma with apocalypse.the infantry deleter 5000
>>97676629i do not feel entirely worthy of thinking such thoughts
>>97676699Just the sarge? What about the squad leader?
Wait, did the Iron Hands do silver hands during the HH?
>>97676739What manner of Alpha Legion Twin Snakes is that?
>>97676750Yeah, but not all of them
>>97676762Squad leader is the second in command in a squad. He leads the other half of the squad when they split up into combat squads. Ruleswise there's no difference to a regular marine, but it's just a little fluffy thing.
>>97676673God's perfect warlord loadout is 1 plasma annihilator, 1 arioch power fist, and 2 apocalypse missile launchers
>>97676788That's a 40k thing with combat squads, not relevant to HH.
>>97676797A little of my issue with power fists on warlords is that in Horus Heresy they can't hit the off-table strategic objectives that you need to win in the titan specific missions, and in Titanicus warlords are way too slow to use them offensively, so you give up an arm gun to be able to swat knights that you should have screened
>>97676263yeah, no fucking way I'm paying GW prices for their resinthis titan has the best reviews of any of them from this caster so i'm looking forward to a relatively straightforward build experience
>>97676834No, you can still use the mega-bolter, it's just not going to penetrate any of the existing strategic objectives. Or glance them. But you can use it!
>>97676629imagine the smell
>>97676798Are you saying during HH sergeants led squads of 20 men all on their own with no second in command and at no point could a squad of 20 be split into two squad of 10 to, say, board Rhinos?
>>97676899I'm not the one saying that, it's what the lore is.
>>97676899>and at no point could a squad of 20 be split into two squad of 10 to, say, board Rhinos?10 Marines in a Rhino10 Marines clinging to the sides of the Rhino like an Indian train carriage
>>97676911Yes, anon, "combat squad" as a thing doctrinal thing did not exist. Does not mean squad leaders did not exist. Leading a combat squad is not their only function in 40k.
>>97676933Post the paragraph of lore where it talks about squad leaders in HH.
>>97676673>>97676797>>97676834Double volcano cannon KING
Broadly speaking, would Volkite weaponry be more effective against Daemons than Bolters?
>>97676962You mean in game or in universe?
>>97676955>double claws
>>97676834Who cares about viability I'm talking about peak aesthetics
>>97676974>double claw>quad vulcan mega bolters
>>97676962Considering aether-shock mauls use volkite tech to fight daemons, they must be.
>>97676899Nta but yes. Heresy era marines weren't autistic either when compared to their 40k cousins.
>>97677058>20 dudes cannot load into two transports holding 10 each because there's no doctrine allowing such maneuver>not autistic
>>97676962Considering volkite guns are just better than bolters on every basis beyond "cost of manufacture"? Sure.Bolters are only in use because the emperor couldnt get everyone to use volkite. If he had his way everyone would be equipped like DA inductii.
>>97677083From a gameplay perspective? Volkites fuck demons something bad. Because they tend towards a higher strength (demons rely on solid toughness) and punish low save units (demons have low but constant saves). So yes, vokite guns (chargers, calivers, you name it) are better vs demons than basic bolters.
>>97677083Bolters were also favoured because of the ability to use different types of ammunition. Volkite being so complicated not even the Mechanicum fully understands how they work, or what type of radiation it even fires, meant it was never going to see mass adoption. You don't want guns for rank-and-file infantry that are so complicated they can't be field stripped and serviced by the grunts wielding them, that's a recipe for disaster.
>>97677081>we need a second in command for every group of 5 persons is somehow less autistic than >who gives a shitA squad over capacity getting locked out of DTs is just to avoid headaches and letting people bring 2 vehicles without using any slot. Also last time I checked that's how they did that in 40k too. Meanwhile in ligma there isn't any restriction on that.
GW's site says the rapiers come with 60mm bases but I just measured mine and they're 64mm. Is this common amongst GW products?
>>97676899The legions had a huge variety of different ranks in their structures, which absolutely included equivalents for a corporal 2nd in command in a squad led by a sergeant, as well as a hierarchy of sergeants that are vaguely analogous to platoon sergeants/company sergeants.People get caught up in the rules and get the idea that there's only>Ordinary line marine -> Sergeant -> Optae -> Centurion/Consul -> PraetorWhen that is not at all what's represented in either the Black Books or novels.What it *isn't* though, is universal. It's entirely up to the legion you're talking about and details there are pretty deliberately vague.
>>97677081>Doesn't have spartan land raiders, thunderhawks and kharbybdis assault claws to deploy all his 20 man squadsPoorfag detected.In several 40k novels is has repeatedly been mentioned that chapters are still using space craft and vehicles with a capacity designed for legions.
>>97677120Yes. Go check out the webstore page for scatter dice, it still says it only has 1 hit symbol scatter dice have two hit symbols
>>97677122Do we have anything hh-related mentioning this 2nd in command? Because I'm drawing a blank and the sizes of units usually being thrown around in the novels make his role kinda meaningless outside blackshields and shattered legions and even then it's something "informal" rather than an actual rank.
>>97677122Well, post an example of a second in command form the black books then. Let us see some of that proof you claim is everywhere.
>>97677160Just look at any of the ranks for the full page marines they do. They not only exist, but they're different for every legion.
>>97677176Page numbers anon.
>>97677182No, seethe about it for the next 3 hours while you constantly refresh this thread
>>97677188>Doesn't have actual proofThanks for confirming you just made it the fuck up.
The whirlwind isnt real. Its never coming out.
>>97676699I think the sarge carrying the banner is sort of a tradeoff, cool factor vs. putting all your points in one basket. Really all the wargear (vexilla, auspex, etc) should just be able to be given to 'any model' in the unit and let the player decide.
all imperials must fucking hang
Arguing about who gets the vexilla is dumb because it as a concept is superfluous. Like what the superhuman soldiers who can fight for days without rest who are hypno indoctrinated into loayalty who know no fear are gonna get inspiried to fight harder by a little emblem on a stick?
>>97677363This is before the hypno-indoctrination was really a thing, anon. 30k marines don't have ATSKNF.
>>97677377Inductii, Anon.
>>97677363in my eyes the effects it conveys more relate to there being a very evident indicator about where a squad and its center of mass as it were is located amidst a press of combat or during a retreatso more just a bigass visual coordination element as opposed to anything else and i think it being so makes a good deal of sense as such a thing can readily be picked out and constantly referenced in the undertaking of actions and movements
>>97677363I wish we would go back to vexilla and bayonets just being something you put on your models because it looks cool. Not for some sort of in-game rules advantage. Heck I'd even go back to chainswords being the same as basic close combat weapons, and basic power weapons all sharing the same profile.
>>97677414That's stupid
>>97677390That's a good point, actually
Sabre tanks are kinda stupid. Whats the point/use case? "we have a fast strike vehicle, except it has a centerline mounted weapon ill suited to maneuver warfare and also its weapon loadouts arent good for the sort of stuff you would want a fast vehicle to do"
>>97677494Because it looks cool
>>97677494>Whats the point/use case?A tank that's crewed by a single guy.
>>97674136My blackshields aren't supposed to have much artillery but I want that whirlwind
>>97677498Do they though? It looks like a stug-ified rhinos inbred cousin. Its aesthetics are utterly at odds with the fantasy its trying to sell.
>>97677500You cant say that when like half its guns are pintle mounted. >inb4 "but thats different! the volkire pintle is automated or whatever"Then why not just have an automated turret?
>>97677514Remember that the chassis is so shit it couldn't even handle hunter-killer missiles (which can be mounted on land speeders) and they had to give it its own special missiles that don't break the thing when fired.
Painting Iron Hands fucking sucks for Ligma, they only really work well when you can weather them at heroic scale. But, I think I know how to paint them now and be visually distinct at a distance as Iron Hands.
>>97676962along with others said, this reminded me that volkite weapons are great against void shields in titanicus. I think at least? hell, is titanicus even a thing or was it replaced with ligma? damn ordo sinister is so cool... about time I get a recast.
>>97677531I can because pintle mounted guns are a defensive thing meant to help if it gets swarmed and because the fluff blurb says so. If anything having a hull gun with no traverse makes sense only when the driver is also the gunner making it one of the few times where a warhammer model having a fixed gun isn't too retarded. The lower profile of not having a turret also helps with shoot and scoot-ing which is a must for vehicles that have paper thin armour.
But seriously. What is the sabre meant to do? Whats the fantasy its meant to appeal to? A fast strike tank? Thats already the predator and Sicaran. A light gun platform? Land speeders. It does nothing well and is awkward in every role. Its got an awkward mix of anti-infantry and (supposedly) anti-vehicle weapons which leaves it weird into any target. For a small, fast and fragile vehicle it has a fucking centerline weapon so it has to expose its ass at inopportune moments. Its just baffling on every level. This bothers me because I WANT to like it. It could have been really cool. A space marine tactical essentially, Lighter and cheaper than a tank with weapons designed to allow it to punch above its weight from an ambush position. Or a gun buggy designed to pack infantry suppression weapons to support astartes advances or whatever. Instead we get this shit. >>97677562>I can because pintle-mounted guns are a defensive thing meant to helpYea man, that pintle mounted gun about par with the hull mounted volkite is a light defensive thing thats just there for light backup. Same as the multi melta. Its why it can only fire one of them at once. Its a stupid design and the lore makes it WORSE. This is supposed to be the cutting edge, the pinnacle of space marine tanks, the fucking f-35 of astartes vehicles. And it looks like something semi-literate militants would cobble together out of a rhino and some scrap parts.
>>97677558AT is still popular in a cult sort of way.
>>97676629Imagine what his feather would go for on the imperial version of ebay?
>>97677548The chassis doesent even look any different to other space marine vehicles.
>>97677494nevar 4get
>>97677584peak writing right there
>>97676673When I get my full size warlord im going devotional bell. Im even thinking about doing one on my reaver, maybe making it swapable. I dont play the games at all, I just think the idea of the titans also being walking monuments is incredible lore wise, part of why I LOVE titan lore the most out of ALL big stupid robot/mech war type shit.
>>97677573>Whats the fantasy its meant to appeal to?it would be the finest granularity and swiftest unit in one's composition of a game of 30k panzer commander. outriders and scouts and fore-runnerswhereas predators and sicarans would be more mainline medium MBTs, kratussies the heavier lynchpins, and the superheavies your absolute brickssuper niche tho admittedly. personally i'd just go for a predator/kratos/superheavy column if i were after such a thing and skip all the other sorts
>>97676857Link to caster, fren?
>>97677562>The lower profile of not having a turret also helps with shoot and scoot-ing which is a must for vehicles that have paper thin armour.The issue is that this comes at the expense of "it either shoots or moves", because while in game these things obviously happen sequentially "in reality" most of these vehicles would be firing dynamically as they drive. The firing pattern of a fucking vindicator are not what you want from your paper thin strike tank. You dont want to quickly pop out of cover facing the enemy, stop (maybe making some minor last minute adjustments to position because your gun has functionally no aiming of its own), fire, drive away. If the sabre was designed as essentially "the worlds biggest rapier"? A gun platform designed to bring big guns to the front/ambush positions quickly to with little regard to its survivability? Okay, fine, the low profile would definetly help with that and you dont need much of a turret when youre just making minor adjustments before firing at an unprepared opponent. But thats clearly not what its supposed to be, its meant to be an agile duellist >>97677584, not a kratos battle-cannon with wheels strapped to the side. The sabre should decide what it wants to be. And either have an automated/largely automated turret with its lighter armaments (and ideally a smaller hull) or an actually heavy gun (centerline mounted) and be a budget venator/vindicator.
>>97677573>But seriously. What is the sabre meant to do?Legally distinct nostalgia bait gone wrong.
>>97677573>multi melta pintleIn 1.0 when the sabre was introduced it wasn't even a thing, that's just FW losing the plot with 2.0 and 3.0 which isn't anything new.>This is supposed to be the cutting edge, the pinnacle of space marine tanks, the fucking f-35 of astartes vehicles.It isn't, it's meant to be a rapier that moves faster with an heavier gun.
>>97677624>It isn'tAnon its literally in the lore you posted. This is the cutting edge, the latest design using new technology based on data gathered from the predator and sicaran and their performance. >"The first of a new breed of space marine vehicles"> "the result of the distilled experience of the great crusade" >"it carries a variety of technological wonders newly forged" >"it embodies a new, mobile style of war"If it was a bigger rapier? If it was like in >>97677623? A big gun on wheels designed to simply put a big projectile through the armor of that xenos battle tank as efficiently as possible? I would have zero complaints. But that ISNT what the kratos is meant to be (or at least, its not what it is presented as). Its this apparently nimble and agile fighter that represents the epitome of maneuver warfare and is mostly kitted out with lighter guns designed for shelling infantry and other soft targets.
>>97677558>hell, is titanicus even a thing or was it replaced with ligma?they're not releasing stuff for it anymore, but it's still officially supported. the starter set and books are still in production, even if all the other kits have been rebranded for ligma
>>97677644It also doesent help its guns are (neutron asides) "generalist" or "anti-infantry".Autocannons are not the weapons of a dedicated, specialized, gun platform. Theyre the all rounder, that weapon class you put on a vehicle meant for facing all manner of threats and problems. It is NOT the kind of weapon you strap centerline onto a tank and send it at the enemy. Likewise with that fucking volkite, who the fuck decides "I need to kill lots of infantry, I know, let me have a gun that cant aim sideways!"
>>97677644If you actually read what I posted you would've also read that all of that tech is for letting a single marine crew it. It isn't meant to be replacing tanks, it literally is a rapier on steroids.>All intended to allow the tank to be operated by a single marineFrom my own pic. The thing is that you don't want an answer but you want to be angry which is why you are doing this selective reading thing.>>976776222/3rds of its guns are fast firing so it will just lead the shots rather than stop and the third is obviously meant for ambushes. Also it IS a rapier.
besides when the Lion tried to beat Curze up with them, what other conflicts were the Excindio deployed in?I want to kitbash a couple to use in 1e but I'm not sure what kind of force would even use them.
>>97677674>also read that all of that tech is for letting a single marine crew it.Of course. All that talk about how its the cutting edge, the new paradigm, the dawn of a new era of mobile warfare? That was ALL just about how it cut down the crew from 2 to 1. You are very smart anon. >2/3rds of its guns are fast firingThe anti infantry guns? >lead its shotsBuddy theyre centerline mounted. You arent leading shit with those.
>>97677691>Of course. All that talk about how its the cutting edge, the new paradigm, the dawn of a new era of mobile warfare? That was ALL just about how it cut down the crew from 2 to 1. You are very smart anon.And you are a retard.>Buddy theyre centerline mounted. You arent leading shit with those.Didn't know that each time a gun gets fired on a sabre the tracks would lock up and the MIU would administer a shock to the driver's nutsack, I guess you learn something new everyday.
>>97677709Theyre centerline mounted dipshit, its only ever firing straight forwards in the direction its driving. You arent leading shit that way. And you might want to either keep reading till the end of that text box, or read it from the start.
More semantics. You might as well complain about the lack of suspension on basically all of the tanks or how poorly designed their fronts are or how unbalanced so many of the turrets are. It's just the setting's various, flawed, design philosophies
>>97677721>Theyre centerline mounted dipshit, its only ever firing straight forwards in the direction its driving. You arent leading shit that way.Again, didn't know that each time the sabre fires the tracks lock into a single direction and their speed can't be changed to turn the tank and lead the shots. Seems an unnecessary feature.>And you might want to either keep reading till the end of that text box, or read it from the start.And I repeat myself, where does it say that it's going to replace tanks? It says that it's a departure from static gunlines, like...drum roll... fucking rapiers.
>>97677377I don't think you got the memo, anon. Lore no longer matters. So sayeth Geedubs and their femstodes.
Any good? Worth reading?
>>97677772Holy shit that art is terrible...
>>97677772It is. Not high literature by any measure of course, but each legion gets some cool battle scenes and a lot of characters that were forgotten by BL for most of the HH series get some attention. Definitely one of the better HH books. Oh and the biggest positive: no perpetual bullshit.
>>97677787>no perpetual bullshit.NTA but that's a good reason to read it
>>97677783It is indeed!
>>97677772I believe it is written in present tense. Maybe not a deal breaker for you but I can't stand that haha
>>97677772From what I've seen it's passable black library work, which means it's utter schlock for anyone with a reading level above 8th grade, but don't worry, that's a surprisingly rare skill so you'll be in good company if you like it.
Can one use the MkII jump packs on MkIII armour to make Iron Armour assault troops?
>>97677856You cannot. It is forbidden.
>>97677856I think the shoulders might be too big and restrict posability/compatibility.
>>97677856You could but in fluff mk3 equipped assault marines are rare.
>>97677772>Bl*ck L*brary Haram.
>>97677783Why do the 3 Astartes look like deformed clones of Ron Perlman?
>black library books are entirely fictitious>black tomes and campaign books are written from an imperial point of view and source far after the fact>the visions of the heresy are illustrations as opposed to photographsdid any of this really happen at all?what were the true dynamics of it?
>>97677915>Black library books are entirely ficticiousYeah bro the entire setting is
>>97677922wait what
>>97677915Way before FW or BoLS released their rulesets me and my friends tried our hands at a bunch of 30k rules for 40k, one of the fate cards we came up with was that you could let a destroyed unit go back into the reserves because the narrator fucked up his story and mixed up one squad with another. I wish I still had the pdfs somewhere just to compare how far I've come with my homebrews.
>>97677938>you could let a destroyed unit go back into the reserves because the narrator fucked up his story and mixed up one squad with another.Fucking kek. That's some Monty Python shit there.
>>97677856No. Mk III was heavier than other power armour variants and had a very unfavourable weight distribution, making it too cumbersome and awkward for jump pack use.
>>97677548This was the biggest crime of them all. Let Sabres use normal Hunter Killer missiles and they're fine.Their main gun sucks against tanks desu
>>97677942>And then squad Pythos got blown into a million pieces by a whirlwind barrage.>Wait, yesterday you told me squad Pythos went to Mars to fight in the civil war 3 years after this battle, how could that be?>Disregard that, it was squad Pythos Secundus that got blown up I think.It was my favourite card. We had at least a couple of other meta-esque cards but that's the only one whose effects I remember because every once in a blue moon someone from my group mentions it.
>>97677856Yes. >B-butAshen Circle use an up-armored (see: heavier) variety of MkIII, muh weight is not a real reason.
>>97677548Between this and the horrendous car-salesman lore excerpt that came along with the Sabre you could really tell this was way past Blight's influence, when soulless corporate vampires were taking over FW.Just house rule the missiles to being hunter-killers, no one would object to this.
>>97677950>instead of landing feet first mkiii jump marines belly flopped onto their targetsSounds good to me
The Galaxy burns, yet amid the chaos, carnage, and disaster, squadrons of Leman Russ Incinerators remain resolute, wheeling through the smoke at speed to find their mark. They are the perfect strike tank, embodying the Solar Auxilia in ferocious nature.
I'm not going to say trying to Homebrew imperialis Militia to LI is a good idea or even reasonable but I like the idea of it being a way to use historic/WW2/generic 6mm including my beloved Universal CarrierAlso I could rework it later for great crusade OPFOR
>>97678005I would bet my foreskin that French wrote this.
>>97677787>no perpetual bullshit.Vulkan is in it
>>97678391Sure, but he isn't being a whiny little cunt and there are exactly zero sentences in the book about him respawning or being immortal. Somebody who didn't read any other HH novels still wouldn't know about it after reading Dropsite Massacre.
>>97677915Whatever you imagine it to be is canon
>>97677573it's a rapier carrier with a bigger engine and funnier guns>>97677623rhino-hull everything got old with the razorback>>97677652for 80 points you can cross the field and suppress/destroy the HSS everybody was bitching about for an entire edition with the stock weapons, the anvilus snub is a better infantry penetrator than the standard autocannon, the saker is as good as the twin culverin when movement is factoredyou can bring them in from the sides and go squat in the enemy backline the same turn, taking out that scorpius everyone's got for 30 points less, you can come into the enemy backline and his his kratos where half its guns can't even react
>>97677623>>97677573>>97677562>>97677514Hear me out here guys, hear me out. Keep the price point the sameGive it stableGive it a laser destroyer main gun.
>>97678898give it a big fucking flamer
>>97678898Give it a vortex bomb
>>97678933Make it a vortex bomb?But also i think giving it stable and a rapier laser desotyer as its main weapon would make it actually do its fucking job.
>>97674136>TQi really like the old cata models but i like nl and ec and they need to go faster than that :(
>>97678936There are no new cataphractii models.
>>97679121do forgive me
>>97679150You are forgiven, anon. We all falter from time to time.
>>97677950Nigger I was obviously asking if the backpack fits on MkIII not for your lorefaggotry.
>>97679159Lore is the only thing that matters you troglodyte.
>>97677856Goonhammer says the MKII jjumppack's nub is exactly the same as on the newer plastic MKIII marines.
>>97678787>rhino-hull everything got old with the razorbackSo lets instead make a not-Rhino hull that we don't use for anything else and exists purely to not be a Rhino hull while being pretty much a Rhino hull.
>>97679205I mean, that's what you would have to do if you wanted a fast recon/skirmish tank which can entirely be operated by a single marine, yes. At some point modifying an existing machine to suit an entirely different role requires more effort than just designing something from the ground up, that's just basic engineering. Personally I just think the sabre is cute.
>>97679215Rhinos can be fast, Rhinos can recon and Rhinos are operated by a single marine. How would they be unable to function in the same role?
>>97679222Rhinos are driven by a single marine yes, but the guns are still need to be operated by another marine. Or do you seriously think the dude poking out of the hatch gunning down fools with a heavy bolter is also steering the Rhino with his feet or something?According to the lore on the subject a Rhino shouldn't even be allowed to fire its pintle-mounted weapons after the unit disembarked, because it's the unit's sergeant who operates the weapons. There's never been more recent lore that has changed that particular detail.Also sabres can be faster than Rhinos, thanks to being smaller.
>>97675730>Would bare=seekers. cloak=recons be okey to make one type of squad different from the other?I'd say yeah that would be fine, tho it is something you'd probably want to mention to opponents just to be safe>Or do I have to paint the recons in Spetsnaz camo too?you don't HAVE to, but I think that would help them to stand out and be really cool if you felt up to it :]Camo patterns don't ahve to be complicated, can be as simple as simple stripes and slashes to help break up armour silhouettes. Can harken back to some of the old school rouge trader camo patterns depending on your legion :]The Mantis Warrior and Salamander patterns in picrel are good examples^^
>>97676788I like to model my squads like this, lets me kitbash atleast two cool looking squad leaders per 10 instead of just one :D>>97677556Ligma? Idealy the metalic effect+silver trim/edge highlights and pops of silver metalic bionics and other tech gubbins do that.We've got 3 black legions, but they all have stuff that seperates them fairly decently from eachother.
>start Horus Rising>it’s described that Astartes have a larger than normal faceLmao, did Abnett really write in an explanation for Heroic Scale Marines?
>>97679178>Lore is the only thing that matters you troglodyte.Nogames Nomodels faggot.
>>97676304>PrimarisNon-canon Starcraft slop
>>97679233>Rhinos are driven by a single marine yes, but the guns are still need to be operated by another marine.Yet the Rhino's gun can be used even when there's no passengers, while Chimera lasgun arrays cannot.>Or do you seriously think the dude poking out of the hatch gunning down fools with a heavy bolter is also steering the Rhino with his feet or something?Considering the guns can be remote operated and marines interface with their tanks through the black carapace, why not? Predator commander can sit in his cupola firing a pintle gun while also operating the main gun with his feet.
>>97679252very cool squad anon
>>97679271Well it's just funny that people are naming silly things and then it turns out primaris already basically did that.
>>97679192>Goonhammer saysTroonhammer
>>97677915Yes I need a neutral POV of the Davinites, I have this theory they were noble savages living one with nature.
I feel like you can get pretty weird with your Legion’s colors so long as the Pauldrons have the right Heraldry.
>>97679282>name an existing thing>post image of said thing back from RT>"but primaris already did that, sort of"
>>97677772I enjoyed it, so I'd say yes.
>>97679292>post image of said thing back from RTIs that what that was supposed to be? It looked like a molten pile of slag like most RT things.
>>97677677Weren't they in a DA exemplary battle?
>>97674941Destroyers used to be able to take nade launchers iirc.
>>97679301No grenade launchers, just a rad missile launcher with a suspensor web.
>>97679294>Bad-mouthing RT
>>97676914Which Legion would be the Indian one anyway?
>>97679309Death Guard obviously.
>>97679308I'm not a fake grog like most people and will readily admit that.
>>97679314Well at least you're honest about it.
>>97677584Is Lord Castellan Varakian ChatGPT's pen name?
>>97677622It's a fast tank destroyer, the entire role is:>Use speed to get into an ambush position ahead of an enemy, with a firing line over a road/chokepoint>Blast the leading enemy unit(s) as they pass said firing line>Use speed to GTFO before the enemy can react>Repeat
>>97679308Anyone who unironically thinks RT models or lore was good is a no models contrarian faggot. 40k as it exists now did not start until 3rd and it's actual golden age of nostalgia was 4th for rules and 5th for models.
>>97677938>one of the fate cards we came up with was that you could let a destroyed unit go back into the reserves because the narrator fucked up his story and mixed up one squad with anotherYou should write the official rules
>>97678115>Bunch of obese Death Guard Assault Marines bellyflopping onto the enemyIs this what Hammer of Wrath represents?
>>97679263Nah it's from the perspective of Imperial orator Charlus Kirkus
>>97679313>Turns out Horus got Mortarion on his side to finance the Heresy via google play cards
>>97679305Yes, they used to in 1.0 and Blackshield marauder squads in 1.0 had access too.
>>97679313Post terra roadtrip yes, not much before.
>>97677950There is a mkiii DG assault marine in visions of heresy, wish I had the pic
>>97679357They had Kukris even before the road trip.Also Barbarus is basically India in terms of atmospheric and street conditions
>>97677950Ashen Circle are in MkIII and have jump packs. There has never been any official declaration that MkIII are too heavy for jump packs, it's just something people made up because FW never made MkIII assault marines (they never made MkVI assault marines either, but that never led to such headcanon to form).
>>97679390>Conveniently cropped out the line where it says Maximus Power Armour
>>97679278Thanks, really happy with how they came out. Got a bunch more but wouldn't like to spam the thread soIW Havoks/HSShttps://litter.catbox.moe/xjd42jss49uawpuo.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/vkhdephymv2cffi1.jpgRest are for the alpha legion chunk of the army, all the other IW stuff is just tacked together or the time beingAL tactical squad 1https://litter.catbox.moe/r9mu30lv5wnqob5k.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/bl3tnhxki0e95fq7.jpgAL tactical squad 2https://litter.catbox.moe/skf8ftt29zpfsi28.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/m6d8zja0g3e0osyl.jpgAL Headhunters/seekershttps://litter.catbox.moe/li60qyng877cwclf.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/y8zpxycdel84ewp4.jpgAL Assault squad (went a bit overboard with the specialists but eh...)https://litter.catbox.moe/y5erlyck4o6w3miu.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/35tlaqkqrp6q6syg.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/6tcra6uyxgg2k6g1.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/r5y7cna8uy3mni0v.jpg>>97677856They should fit well enouth. But if they don't fit as flush you can fix that by clipping off the connectors and make both connection points flat. Its an easy modification if its even necessary.>>97677950Regardless of if its been stated as lore or not, I don't think its unreasonable that legionaries who preferred the extra armour of mk3 might have accepted the awkward balance of it or the sake of the extra protection, or might modify their mk3 to compensate for it. Opens up room for some fun conversion perhaps :]mixed some mk2 and 3 together or one of these assault marries here as an example as a sort of bomb squad style "breacher" for the squad, best of both worlds https://litter.catbox.moe/r5y7cna8uy3mni0v.jpg>>97679390>>97679415Its effectively artificer armour at that point, got elements of mk2, 3, and 4 mixed in.
>>97679415>croppedI see you're blind. But, yeah, totally just normal MkIV power armour here, guv'nor.
>>97679415Just like how this is Cataphractii armour, right?
>>97679429I didn't write that lore, FW did. If it says nemes cataphractii sub-pattern then nemes cataphractii sub-pattern it is.
>>97679438>FW can never fuck up and typo in their booksSo the tourists watching the Burning of Prospero are also canon to you?
>>97679369Yes but India is much worse half a million indians shit themselves to death every year. Barbarus became much nicer when the overlords got killed.
>>97679439Yes. There were still some civilians on Prospero during the battle after all.
>>97679426You should just spam, there isn't nearly enough mini posting here, don't worry about it.
>>97679439It is.
>>97679442Glad we can stop shaming people who don't file off the crux terminatus from their terminators.
>>97679451That has always been something only secondaries did. It's the same retards who screech at every single purity seal, without knowing oath of moment were a thing.
>>97679451The crux does not belong, it is from the Badab FW era where the tartaros initially were released, not for heresy.
>>97679460What a strawman, comparing cruxes to the purity seal/oom.
>>97679466Sorry anon, it's in the black books so it's canon
Did they ever bring back General Kane in the Siege of Terra or is he forever lost to history?
>>97679480Ignored in favour of BL writers OC Doughnutsteel self-inserts.
>>97679480warp shenanigans, please understand
>>97679215>that's just basic engineeringThe imperium doesn't do basic engineering, you fucking cretin, their technology is controlled by a caste of demented priests who worship the embodiment of the concept of technology and consider unfettered invention to be heretical because their dogma says all non-evil technology already exists and must merely be rediscovered. The universality of certain patterns of equipment and vehicle are meant to reinforce that narrative element. It not being practical or rational *is the whole point*.
>>97679330Anyone who unironically claims 2nd was materially different from 3rd in any regard except for rules and marketing photography is also a contrarian faggot. Hell, most people who claim RT was materially different in fluff is focusing exclusively on a very short period at its beginning and ignoring that it almost immediatley began developing into a setting that would be utterly recognisable to 3rdies excepting a handful of obvious specific "u wot m8?" items, and that by the end of RT the version of the setting that lives rent-free in Oldhammer minds about rainbow marines buttfucking space elves while Monty Python comedy skits are performed in the background or whatever had already been dead for years.
>>97679597And when were all those patterns the Mechanicum religiously adheres to created?Oh wait that's right, by humanity at the height of their technological and engineering mastery.
>>97677377Ok anon you've pipped me in terms of dropping hyperboomer GW screencaps without elaborating, what the hell is the game these tokens are for? The only Warmaster system I know of is epic for WFHfags so its not that and the Lexicanum article for issue 161 is a stub that only lists epic gargant rules. Is that some boardgame invented for that issue of WD exclusively or is it some kind of epic expansion? Because if there is heresy themed content for Space Marine 2nd Edition then I need it, the world needs it because SM 2nd edition sticking with the Horus Heresy instead of becoming 40k would set wargaming back upon its course, restore the true timeline and make Tactical Squads £!5 again
>>97679630I take a wild guess and assume you were intending to reply to me. It's from the Warmaster game in White Dwarf 161 where you fight on the (then unnamed) Vengeful Spirit.
>>97677377I heard EC use hypno-sissy porn on their aspirants.
>>97679719thank you anon :). I love the art style it reminds me of the old school datacards. Yes I did mean to reply to you somehow I always fuck up my (you). I was going to reply to you asking about the image and reply to >>97677377 saying: Hypno-conditioning is mentioned in HH as being a thing well before the heresy (like hypno-conditioning recruits to rapidly learn to speak Gothic) but idr the phrase hypno-indoctrination outside the whole "we made the inductii think they were veterans and now they are fully psychotic" thing. I'm not sure I really understand the difference between Hypno-Conditioning and Hypno-Indoctrination. Or the 9th legion's Hypno-Shampooing
>>97677377If you'd read the complete piece, you'd know they're talking about the inductii and how they had absent or inadequate sissy-hypnosis. Indicating that regular legion marines got the full sissy-hypno.
>>97679737>>97679802>28,000 years later>bambisleep still existsHow horrifying.
>>97679824The Emperor tried to stop it and save us.
Well this came out of nowherehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1eg0z9ov/new-word-bearers-novel-zardu-layak-the-crimson-apostle-announced/
>>97680049Meh
>>97680049So far it seems GW is more focussed on milking the HH a second time rather than move forwards into the Scouring.
>>97680096Meh what? It's the same old model.
>>97680139Well yeah just "meh this guy again"He came with two blade slaves right?
>>97679439I too would travel to see the TS getting their arses kicked
>>97677856You can but they look kinda wack with the normal tactical 5 poses. It's a waste of a cool Jump Pack imo.
>>97679415blind. it clearly says "The battle plate worn by Legionary Vaber is a pattern of Mk III 'Maximus' power armour unique to the Word Bearers Legion." not sure why it has the same epithet as Mk IV, but it's very clearly in the family of Mk II and III just from looking at it, and it's identified as Mk III, not Mk IV.
>>97680049who tf cares, I hope they make a book about the worm Calas tho
>>97680049>>97680096I think model is pretty but novel description sounds like some most boring shit imaginable
Workkan on my turrets. Even with as sloppy as I'm being I have a ways to go.
Idk what neutron-wave cannons sound like but I imagine it's like BZZZZT or somethinghttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/f7bd1ghe/revealed-give-them-both-barrels-with-the-new-titan-hunting-falchion-tank/
>>97680607>Plastic Fellblade out>Plastic Glaive coming>Now a plastic Falchion on the way tooBloody hell, my wallet really can't take that kind of abuse right now...
>>97680607>The series of Journal Tactica books for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy continues with Mailed Fist: Legiones Astartes Super-Heavy Tanks, also coming up for pre-order soon. This 48-page supplement covers a vast array of background info about super-heavy vehicles, from their inception to their current use amidst the fires of Horus’ ambition. >Inside you’ll find new rules for fielding companies of these massive vehicles, background lore about their past and present, and datasheets for all of the new Legiones Astartes tanks we’ve shown off recently. Both the book and the new plastic Falchion will be going up for pre-order fairly soon, so watch this space and start preparing for the intense firepower your adversaries will need to take it down…I'll be disappointed if we don't get a used car salesman quote in there.
>>97680607>datasheets for all of the new Legiones Astartes tanks we’ve shown off recently.soooo that's rules for 2 tanks ? how generous of them to make the liber ones obsolete already
>>97680607is this a new tank or plastic remake? I don't pay much attention to big tanks
>>97680652Whirlwinds are coming back too remember? Those don't have rules anywhere currently.>>97680655Plastic version of a resin tank. I'm gonna be nostalgic about the barrels no longer being wonky and mis-aligned...
>>97680664Alright thanks anon
>>97680607Kinda scared of what they’re gonna expect us to kitbash. I don’t think we have astartes baneblades this ed so it could be something like that. Like a tank commander character that gives you an allied superheavy detachment
>>97680607>Idk what neutron-wave cannons sound like but I imagine it's like BZZZZT or somethingBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWUUUUUMMMMMMM
>>97680607>Idk what neutron-wave cannons sound like but I imagine it's like BZZZZT or somethingMacrowave
>>97679480>Imperial Guard
>>97680804Yeah, welcome to RT.
>>97680607Fuck, my list of excuses to not get one shrinks by the day. Its just down to "its going to be expensive" and "the rules are ass" now. But I really want one.
>>97680630>and datasheets for all of the new Legiones Astartes tanks we’ve shown off recently>newSo what? Whirlwind? Are we getting rules for the Ascalon?
>>97677083>Bolters are only in use because the emperor couldnt get everyone to use volkite. If he had his way everyone would be equipped like DA inductii.Honestly, marines should use some variation of lasguns hooked up to their generator. That way you dont need to worry about ammo.
>>97679331Thanks, I doubt they would let me handle things but the more stuff comes out the less bad I think my stuff would have been when compared to that. Lately I've been hammering out some 30k era epic armageddon lists but I doubt I'll release them anytime soon.
>>97679480Isn't he the fabricator general now?
>>97681026Maybe they’d swap to that if the great crusade was successful but they regularly encountered xenos or human enclaves capable of surviving bolter rounds. Lasguns would just be worse
>>97681026Pre-terawatt alliance thunder warriors were equipped with heavy lasguns that could sever arms with a single shot, it would be cool to get those as one of the resin weapon packs like FW did for all those different patterns of bolters, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, etc.
>>97677102>Bolters were also favoured because of the ability to use different types of ammunition.Thats not why.It was a matter of the bolter was far easier to manufacture. Every single forge complex or manufacturing facility would hvae the ability to easily make bolts to supply the weapons. The matierals to make volkite chargers was far more specific and a pain in the ass to do. So they said fuck it, bolter time.
>>97681026Itd be some super souped up hotshot variant I guess?
>>97680862>RT Siege of Terrait still makes me laugh whenever I remember that Sanguinius and the BA being present at the Siege of Terra is technically a retcon from when there were only two loyalist legions, the Imperial Fists and White Scars, present for the Siege
>>97680607Think we'll get the giant flamer version?
>>97677083Unlike a volkite, a bolter can serve multiple roles with a simple swap of munitions. There's several bolts with improved penetration and range, there's ones with fragmentation effect to deal with hordes. There's all manner of mutagenic and acid rounds to kill large creatures, etc. Complex energy weapons can also be more prone to damaging if they contain sensitive electronics. Considering volkites are almost completely lost by M41 while bolters of all shapes and sizes serve across the Imperium tells you how much that "superiority" mattered on the long run.
>>97681447>Considering volkites are almost completely lost by M41 while bolters of all shapes and sizes serve across the Imperium tells you how much that "superiority" mattered on the long run.Yea, thats because volkites are difficult to manufacture and therefore fell out of general use. As a gun they are superior, as a weapons platform they were too expensive for even the pre-heresy imperium to use as the default, and the imperium of 40k is a pale shadow of the pre heresy imperium. This is like comparing the f-35 to the spitfire. One is a better plane, the other is much cheaper to build and maintain.
>slouched pauldronsdisgusting>see >>97677915 and realize his left pauldron is leaning inwards>investigatejesus christ his pauldrons can move inward and outward instead of just forwards/backwards. after all these years... how could I be so blind?
Lazers you
>>97681484>This is like comparing the f-35 to the spitfire. One is a better plane, the other is much cheaper to build and maintain.Except a bolter can compete with a volkite. A better comparison would be to compare the M60 and the M63. M63 was more complex to manufacture and required much more maintenance to keep operational, despite this it offered a lot of firepower in a handheld form. So it saw most of its use with units like Navy SEALs who made great use of them, since they didn't spend weeks in the bush with limited logistics.
Convince me to come back over to Heresy
>>976815473.0 is genuenly really good for 1-1.5k games
>>97681527>A bolter can compete with a volkiteNot really, the volkite is a superior weapon. The bolter can still be stopped by armor, the Volkite literally cooks things in their armor and causes them to explode. Volkite from a lore stand point is 100% a better weapon then then bolter a standard issue battle field weapon.
>>97681547We are not warhammer 40k. Thats reason enough if you wanna play bolter wank.
>>97681447Didn't cawl bring them back?
>>97681665>didnt the guy who literally broke every fucking lore rule and stipulation to do what ever the fuck he want bring back technology that was lost for hundreds of years.IDK but it sounds about right.
>>97681599Fine, be a retard.
>>97681685A retard that is right. the Volkite is the better battle field weapon for up close and shock weaponry.
>>97680652look they better bring back the CHOOM beam for the glaive
Dorn the Builder!Can we fix it?Dorn the Builder!Yes, we can!Alexis, Camba, and Mathias, and Sigismund too Evander and Fafnir join the LegionDorn and the Legion have so much funWorking together, they get the job doneDorn the Builder!Can we fix it?Dorn the Builder!Yes, we can!
which primarch was the biggest pain in the ass to deal with?
>>97682104Fulgrim. You know why.
>>97681082>AlsoThere can be multiple reasons for a decision anon. You'll understand once you've grown up a bit.
>>97682152Sure do. So much assfuckin.
>>97682152>>97682311>forgetting perturabo wasn't the worst whining manchild AND a sodomizing greekAt least Fulgrim waited until his men were MEN before he did strange things to them. Meanwhile, perturabo's sole reason for effectiveness is how many little boys he could put his seed in...
If we're going back to Isstvan 5 (AGAIN), which GW seems determined to do, I'd love more of a look at the space battle around the planet. Hundreds of ships involved. super close quarters void battles, boarding actions for days, it's awesome and could 100% be a focus for one of the supplements James loves doing.
>tfw not crucifying an ultramarine to the side of a land raider w/ my bros rn
>>97682434I wonder what deviant stuff they do to Ultras before sticking them on the rhinos :3
>>97682441tickle them mad until they renounce their vows to primarch and emperor and beg for death of course
I'm relatively new to the Heresy, I played some 2nd ed and haven't read the books past Descent of Angels. But I've been told that some of the Primarchs like Perturabo and Ferrus Manus have absolutely no character to them at all. Is this true? Are there are Primarchs that don't get properly developed? I think the concept of Primarchs is really cool.
>>97682451Ferrus Manus gets hyped up a lot later in the books after his death to make losing him feel more impactful even though in every scene he's in he acts like an angry manchild. Similar reason to why Sanguinius is just the best at everything, he dies at the end so if he was just mediocre it wouldn't mean as much.
