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He's right you know. Every DNDs' magic systems feel fake because they're not historical.

If you want magic that feels authentic and historically accurate then it MUST abide by the following:
- Magic is a mundane everyday thing. Literally everyone knows how to use magic. If you want to curse someone you just recite or write a curse on a lead curse tablet and throw the lead tablet down the well.
- There's nobody whose profesion is just wizard or witch even though labels like that get used often. Because magic is a mundane everyday thing. Everyone uses magic as part of their profession.
- Magic is not energy. MAGIC. IS. NOT. ENERGY!!! Magic is about petitioning gods and spirits. How effective is magic depends on how well you petition.
- There's no such thing as inherently good or evil magic which every DND is so guilty of. One man's witch or sorcerer is another man's holy priest.

This is how magic historically worked across the world (NO EXCEPTIONS!!!) until 21th century fantasy writers shitted all over it.
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>>97674958
>you want magic that feels authentic and historically accurate
then its people waving their hands and pretending to have power because magic isnt historical at all
just people who pretended or thought they had magic

>there's nobody whose profesion is just wizard or witch even though labels like that get used oftem
the fantasy profession is based off sages or priests, people who do sit down and read dusty scrolls all day
even if everyone knew magic, there would be a few people who dedicate their life to its study

>Magic is about petitioning gods and spirits. How effective is magic depends on how well you petition.
magic being energy is a very simple way to conceptualize it
this is important in a gaming context because you know exactly your strengths and weaknesses, you have a certain limit to casting and its up to you to divide it

>There's no such thing as inherently good or evil magic which every DND is so guilty of
this is because gary gygax was a christian and he had everything categorized into either good, bad, or neutral
there was plenty of neutral magic, mind you, fireball is a purely physical spell that was used by good and bad alike

>his is how magic historically worked across the world
you mean people waving their hands and hoping it did something?
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>>97674973
It's literally petitions and writing on tablets not waving hands. This was always how magic historically worked across the world
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>>97674978
>This was always how magic historically worked across the world
>magic
>working
sure
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>>97674958
>This is how magic historically worked across the world (NO EXCEPTIONS!!!)
Post a video of yourself performing magic then to prove it. Full face reveal and time and date included. Otherwise, no balls.
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>>97674958
Very nice. Now do a game with historically accurate magic. It better include a curse tablet to make a neighbor stub his toes, midwives blessing newborns and someone constantly asking gods for handouts. I'm sure it could all be fun for a gimmick or a session, but nobody sane would trade the "boring, cringe, tired, obnoxious" mana-based system for historical magic. How exactly does he propose we fight with magic, PC and enemies write mean things about each other on a tablet and then wait a couple days to see whose curse wins?
Magic feels fake because if it worked in real life it would be heavily regulated. You would need a permit and be member of a guild to do anything. People would treat wizards as walking bombs.
Honestly, those videos "this is how it works in real life, games get it wrong and you're dumb for doing it!!!" serve no purpose because of course stuff in a made up fantasy world works differently even if it contradicts what people do in real life. That's kinda the whole point.
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>>97674958

Everything is energy, mate. Even mass is just energy.

Thermal energy is just the kinetic energy of molecules and the potential energy between molecules.

Chemical energy is just potential energy between atoms in molecules..

Nuclear energy is just potential energy between nucleons (protons and neutrons)

Mass is just potential energy and kinetic energy inside nucleons.
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>>97674958
>using youtube as a source
You're an illiterate retard and everything you just wrote is verifiably bullshit.
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In fact, this is true to such extend that an an atom weight LESS, than the absolute sum of its individual electrons and protons while separate. Why? Because potential energy can be negative and the universe tends to the lowest energy state.The atom is a lower energy state.

The universe is fundamentally "lazy." It prefers the lowest energy state. Whenever particles find a way to settle into a more stable arrangement, they pay a "tax" in the form of radiated energy, and their mass drops accordingly.
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Also neutrons are unstable while alone but very stable while in an atom. Why? Because it is already a lower energy state within the atom. Protons and neutrons live in "energy levels" inside the nucleus, similar to how electrons have shells. If a neutron inside a stable nucleus tries to decay into a proton, that new proton has to find a seat. If all the low-energy "seats" (quantum states) for protons are already filled, the new proton is forced into a much higher, high-energy shell. The energy required to push a proton into that high-energy shell is greater than the energy gained by the neutron decaying. The universe won't let the reaction happen because it would require "borrowing" energy that isn't there. So it doesn't decay.

The universe also has a bit of a "symmetry" preference. Nuclei generally want a balanced ratio of protons to neutrons. Too many neutrons? The energy levels are lopsided. A neutron will decay into a proton to reach a lower, more stable state (Radioactivity). Because the neutron is heavier, it wants to shed that extra mass-energy. But inside a stable atom, the Binding Energy effectively "locks" that mass in place. The neutron becomes part of a collective system where it is energetically cheaper to stay a neutron than to become a proton.

This isn't just a nuclear thing. It happens in chemical reactions too. A molecule of water weighs slightly less than the two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom that formed it. However, because chemical bonds are so much weaker than nuclear bonds, the mass difference is so tiny that it’s nearly impossible to measure with standard scales.
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>>97674958
I feel like Hellblazer often does magic right. Like Constantine doesn't MIKU MIKU BEAMUUUUUUUUUUUUU from his hands, it's usually like him finding a cursed object or something and removing the hex. Lot of talking and 'theory of magic', why are these demons in the park eating people's spirits oh hey there was a woman murdered here and her gypsy clan put a curse on the park etc. etc.
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>>97675214
theres also the simple and obvious fact that throwing fireballs is cool
writing down "this is a fireball" on a piece of paper to fire it the next day would also push utility belt magic even harder than vancian magic does, since the limiting factor is now what you thought to put in a scroll yesterday and then shoved into your utility belt
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>>97674958

This is just celestial bureaucracy. Magic is like a Lawsuit or a Contract. You need to know the right judge and have a good lawyer. But you know what? Funny enough, Information is also a form of energy (Landauer's Principle)! Even a "petition" to a god is just an exchange of information-energy.

If a spirit "does" something in the physical world moves an object, changes a brain's chemistry, or generates heat work is being performed. In physics, work is the transfer of energy. Therefore, even if a god does the work, that god is essentially a transducer of energy.
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>>97674958
I'm not watching your youtube video.
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>>97674958
Esoteric magic is fine for novels and other media you just consume.
Mana-based magic where you press buttons is way better for interactive media like video games and TTRPG campaigns, they're tools for you to do STUFF quickly and doing STUFF is fun.
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>>97674958
>he still thinks dnd is historical
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>>97674958
>If you want magic that feels authentic and historically accurate
Nobody wants this.



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