A thread for everything Dragons. What is the best kind of Dragons for a game. Just the standard, firebreathing scally Dragon? Or is it better for a game to give your players variety?
Now a liitle bit of Dragon knowledge.
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Whats a Dragons doing in your setting? Hoard gold, guard an evil lair or a maiden in a tower?>>97665281
Are the color and metall naming the best and based?
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I love dragons!
>>97683848not my shower btw, just thought it was funny. This would probably scare myself into a heart attack at 2am
>>97678171Has there ever been a D&D setting where the reason the metal dragons are opposed to the regular ones is because they're actually robots built to fight them, Mechagodzilla-style?
>>97683861Thanks a lot, now I've got Cool Jerk stuck in my head.
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What makes ancient, magic wielding dragons so peak anons?
>>97684019There is a whole book but not so many example pages in good quality.
>>97685170They appear to have wisdom. Elderly dragons are very powerfull too. That feeling to meet a godlike entity is what gives you chills.
I've posted about this a couple months ago, but I'm playing a D&D 3.5e game and the "plan" (if things don't veer wildly off course) is that at level 18 my guy will have the chance to get a dragon for a Cohort (Dragon Cohort feat from the Draconimicon).The idea is that I hand the DM a character sheet for the damn thing so that he can integrate it in the campaign as a character beforehand in some way, and I've been going through some ideas for several months now but I can't quite make up my mind.Character is a Neutral Good Warpriest type. Heal the wounded, protect the weak, strike (or slash) down evil, etc. That kind of thing, so the obvious candidate was something like a Gold Dragon.The thing is that this is one of those "anything official goes" kind of games, so I was wondering about combinations of classes, templates, and the like, but I can't quite decide on anything since there is SO MUCH STUFF.Even default evil creatures could work with the Sanctified Template, for example.One possibility I fully stated out was a Gold Dragon with the Phrenic Template and a level of Monk with all the vows. Pverty, non-violence, peace, everything. That way it wouldn't be a direct combatant but would still be useful and contribute in some way. Also, large, so could be mounted into battle.>tl;drHelp me idealize an ECL 19 (18-2+3) Dragon Companion using D&D 3.5e rules for. Go for cool over strong, and defensive/resilient over offensive.Feel free to spitball concepts without mechanics too. All inspiration is welcomed.Might be a little specific for the thread, but I figured I'd ask.
>>97683861>>97683878Depends on what Dragon you have in mind!
>>97683868I know only a little bit of D&D dragon lore. I guess that they are classified by their species scales. I dont think they are automatons.
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>>97678156black dragon is basically Chud dragon
>>97686282Is chud like an incel or single man?
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>>97678095What do you have to consider if you include dragon riders in your setting?
>>97688197Huh, I always assumed reading the books that Sapphira was bigger than that.
>>97678095I like when dragons remain dragons and can't shift into humanoid forms.Scaly.Wide variety of colours, still almost always breathing fire.Alignment not split by "metallic" or "chromatic".
>>97688047This unironically triggers my (amateurish) taxonomist
>>97688197The purpose it serves. Dragons already tend to be pretty dangerous on their own, so what is the rider adding to the situation? First answer is if dragons aren't smart or strong enough to power through any situation, and so the rider is there for tactics and tools. How to Train Your Dragon for that.Second answer is if the rider is there for a reach advantage. Dragonlance is the obvious one, though also applies to having the rider use archery or magic. A cavalry saber technically works as long as the dragon is small enough.
>>97688376They are fan made, the possibility is bery high. What triggers you? The Salamandra? Thats something that i think is weird evolving outof the Lindwprmus.
>>97688197The first thing i would consider if you go for high or low fantasy. And second, is the Dragons IQ/behaviour more like a human character or an animal companian/pet.
>>97688263So more classic. But when you talk about colours, does this mean just their appearance or color specific threats, like blue or white dragons have a frost breath.
Someone really thought of a dinosaurs evilution chart.
>>97688782Red dragon(looks red), breaths fire.Green dragon(looks green), breaths fire.Blue dragon(looks blue), breaths fire.
>>97688801Big leap between 5 and 6.I prefer the wings to come from something like a back sail, if I'd want to explain
>>97688720Them evolving wings FOUR TIMES
>>97688864Ok. There is a habit that colors are used to indicate their power or elememtal fire.
>>97688877I think wings and four legs will never be explainable when you go the reptile route. But there are certain gen defects that births animals with more legs. Or even humans with more than five toes on their feet.
>>97689351>There is a habit that colors are used to indicate their power or elememtal fire.Yeah, a terrible d&d mind virus.
>>97689366>Tiny reptile, >gills evolve into wings>they grow larger >get a double backsail>gillwings extend into backsail ???dargon
Dragons are around the size of a largeish mule and about as smart and friendly. They live in untracked wastes lurking in ruins and cisterns. They're big enough to prey on humans and they're dangerous because they can fly, breathe fire, and their bite has a venom that causes horrific swelling and bursting of limbs and the body cavity. You can't get near one and you can't get away from one. If they have any treasure it is incidental because some dork fucked around and found out. That's it, that's a dragon.
>>97689423I dont think that this is such a bad idea.
>>97689451I dont think reptiles have gills. And i dont see that fishs gills evolve into anything.Even flying fishs wings are their fins.
>>97690158Sounds like your Dragons evolved from Komodo dragon or crocodiles.
>>97678095I like the idea of my dragons being more elemental in nature than you really see in DnD, the remainders of a primordial time when the forces of the elements were more wild and untamed, creatures that are just as much the essence of their element as they are flesh and blood, unlike most other creatures that lean much more towards one or the other. When a flame dragon is using its breath weapon on a target, it’s not merely doing something as mundane as igniting a flammable gas or venom from a gland in its throat, they’re harnessing the elemental fury in their heart and directing it out of their mouth, like a flame spell that they know from birth, and they don’t typically live in volcanic or desert regions merely because they can withstand the conditions while most other creatures can’t, but because they can actually 'feed' on the heat to help sustain themselves, even allowing themselves to hibernate for years or even centuries at a time. Each element has its own breed(s) of dragon, with a few rare hybrids, water dragons being more serpent-like, with wings that are more like flying fish fins, or more whale-like ones that live deep in the sea, flame dragons being mainly divided into volcano-dwellers like this one and desert-dwellers whose bodies are duller to blend in better with the sand and whose fire breath is more focused and mainly used to heat sand into glass and cut off prey, ice dragons that live on mountains that cause avalanches to bury prey and ones that live in tundra and prefer to disguise themselves and freeze prey solid, and so on. Is there anything I need to improve on or ways I can make the dragons of different elements more distinct? Especially with wind dragons besides just copying Quetzelcoatl? Are there any settings I should look at or systems that would work well for this?
>>97690892Jaws evolved from modified gill arches.
>>97695987Ok, that is a possibility. But to clarify this, that happened in a lower, much more primitive stage. You dont see that in more complex anatomic species. And it is much easier to build upon existing stuff that just adds more bones or tissue.
>>97695593Thats sounds great, not saying that >>97688263 isnt not great.So there two forms, high fantasy, Dragons have more magic or are forces of nature >>97695593And low fantasy, dragons are a normal species that follows evolution or physics >>97688263>>97695856Lol, good one
>>97678095>DragonlikeWhat about Dragonlites?
>>97688801This makes absolutely no sense, organisms can't just magically sprout extra working limbs out of nowhereIf you want to have a somewhat plausible dragon evolution line then their ancestor should have six limbs by default
>>97696281Thats a good idea. Multi limbed dragons exist. The thing that is even more weird is that several times they lost wings and got new ones.
Man, I love dragons.I'm convinced that even the shittiest setting can be saved if there are dragons in them.
>>97697495I agree!
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I stumbled upon some Dragon minis.
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>>97688395So I actually worked out a solution to this "problem." I decided that dragons need to be cooler and that they can gain levels. Problem is, in the system I'm using (Adventurer Conqueror King System) monster XP doesn't flatten out as time goes on - it always doubles. So to get to level 9, you need to have 4 million XP, which is beyond the scope of most campaigns. Enter the dragon rider. When mounted, the dragon and rider become as one, being capable of taking 2 actions a round and effectively the dragon gets to be the HD of the rider, which increases their destructive power.
>>97703151Maybe what is the rider for? If he is armed, you get a second shooting? If he is just a rider they get an extra dice roll for initiative or maybe evasion?
>>97703944Not exactly. The PC levels a lot faster than the dragon. A standard PC class hits level 9 at around 250k XP-ish. A Great Dragon would only be a level 5. But if the PC class mounts the dragon, they become one character where the dragon gets boosted up to level 9 (and gets all the requisite powers and so on).
how many people have taken the bullet bite and investigated wings of fire? Is it worth my time as a dragonohile?
>>97705547The first cycle is good. The second cycle is fantastic. The Darkstalker stand-alone is fantastic. The other stuff I wasn't a huge fan of.
>>97705547Arc 1 was objectively the best written in the series, but people generally prefer Arc 2 despite its dogshit ending. Arc 3 was kinda forgettable and I didn’t even finish it. Characters seem to get reset to their default settings once their book is over. If I’m being honest, the series is a 6.5/10, but it gets carried by the fact that it’s basically the only strictly dragon focused franchise besides Spyro.
>>97678095How do you like your undead dragons? Me, I like them icy.
>>97705547I heard of it, but never investigated it because it just sounds like Warrior Cats or Harry Potter but Dragons. And it seems just Dragons in different colors, kinda like ponies and unicorns.
>>97708251Viserion from Games of Thrones?
>>97678095Insane how all the ai agents can just throw a half ass thread together on this site these days and it fools actual humans
>>97705547If you want to have sex with animals your best use of time is probably killing yourself.
>>97708779>dragons>animalsBruh, a dragon is smarter and cooler than you AND passes the Harkness test. If you wouldn't fuck a dragon, you're a fucking virgin.
>>97703151>>97705526So the rider just arbitrarily boosts up the dragon's stats by sitting on them?
>>97708920More like a mind-meld, where the two train hard enough that they function as one and awaken the latent power within.
>>97708779It's actually the dragon committing bestiality by fucking a human.
>>97708756Sure, can you show us this AI agent in the room?
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>>97705547Since you did straight up self-identify as 'phile' whether in jest or literally because you are a furry, the answer is almost certainly an emphatic yes that you will like WoF in that case. >>97708555Literally one of the Warrior cat's authors is the one behind it so yeah the comparison is apt though Wings is more Warriors mixed with Game of thrones where the ratings are filed away.
>>97714009>Warrior cats authorWeird how you can sometimes feel that.>roasted crocodilesThats like humans eating apes. Is this Asia?
>>97714231More like lemurs. I'd eat a lemur.
How do dragon spergs somehow get toxoplasmosis from imaginary creatures
>>97715520You are probably right. I dont know how much further their evolutionary split was.
What kind of traps would dragon have in its lair?What's the security system like, when the dragon leaves the lair unattended for long?
>>97716014Probably the standard traps or defenses for a solo Dragon.Labyrinth, trapdoors, gas room, lava/acid pond, falling boulders or hidden arrows/darts.Maybe some co-inhabitants like spiders and bats.
>>97716525A mob king has the same traps plus swinging axes, flamethrowers, exploding mushrooms, bomb traps, slime rooms, flesh eating plants and meatgrinders.They employ kobolds, orcs and goblins as soldiers and caretakers.
>>97716549Better question is do Dragons hoard anything?
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>>97716579>Hoard of sweet treats
>>97716836Than work on your fitness!
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>>97719011Are there any more of these?
>>97724847There are several ones. Just search for Iguanamouth and “Unusual Dragon Hoards“. The artist has a tumblr site too.
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>>976883951. Because it's cool.2. Because in the grim past, Dragons were once hunted and enslaved by something even worse than themselves, they wanted a place where they could be safe3. The soulbond between dragon and rider does not only make each one more powerful, they are stronger than the sum of their parts4. Soulbonded dragons become more powerful at a crazy, CRAZY rate, compared to their, "natural," cousins. They can reach power thresholds of decades that would instead take centuries5. Soulbonded dragons are just flat out happier in life. The power of love corrupts them. This is something that kind of terrifies natural unbonded dragons6. Soulbonded dragons have stuff to do, goals to meet, ideals to strive for. Natural dragons are happy enough just hiding in lairs squatting on their treasure piles.
>>97725287Best one. That's a dragon that replenishes his hoard since most alcohol has a peak year.
>>97678095Variable limb configurations, mostly non-verbal except for the purposes of riddling contests, either sub-sapient or possessed of an advanced but utterly inhuman intellect, may be quasi-elemental or para-daemonic in nature, is not your friend, is not your waifu, symbolically is either a metaphor for Satan, or a manifestation of the primordial void, infrequently found in random wilderness encounter tables to dare the party to be stupid.
>>97716579>hoard of bookshehbookwyrm
>>97726840Aged wine and rum dont peak after one year. And sometimes it is just an obsession to serve his visitors.
>>97726922Sounds interesting. But it sounds similar to a sphinx.
>>97726989Good one!
Heroscape Dragon!
>>97728505That is it's own security system, lol.
>>97710689well all those older dragon materials have the same weird collection of donut steel dragon types floating among them, like the page with the old pathfinder dragons
>>97732756Thats why his neighbour collects bones!
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>>97733485Hopefully they’re not a necromancer…
>>97678095What’s your opinion on Dragonborn and similar races?
>>97735637If they're evil, disgusting and malformed sure, then they can be fineIf they're just a paintjob over your paladin character then no, play a human
>>97733960he's just calcium deficient
>>97733960I think he is just a home decorator with a special fashion sense. Probably has alot of barbarians, orcs and chaos knights as customers!
>>97735637Good choice for a dragon as servants and soldiers. And makes sense that in a fantasy setting you get humanoid dragon or reptile race.In games those races get to fanfiction or powerfantasy level. And often Dragonborn gets mistaken or misused as a human dragon hybrid.
>>97735637As many nonhuman races are rarely interestingly explored or used in the plot. 4e version is the lamest one in characterization, the samurai stoic family warriors is a snore. Playing up the colored characteristics is a way to go, but also gets overused often.
>>97738678Is there more of this family?
>>97738678God, furries are gross.
>>97743964No>>97743970Yes
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>>97738678>>97743964Thats the original.
>>97746487And he did a similar one with a sentient stone.
>>97678095Where did D&D get the idea for metallic vs chromatic?
>>97744604>>97745029>>97746487Gross, yiffslop.
>>97705547I never asked to know there’s a differences between a Sandwing, rainwing, and Nightwing, I just know it by the porn. Crickets one day piles and piles of the stuff the next after all the tweens who’d have first got their mits on it had aged up. I wouldn’t otherwise know it exists if they weren’t prominent.
>>97746493Just some of his kids.
>>97748753He is a busy little fella!
>>97747722I don't remember ever reading anything direct, but always assumed it's because of Dragonlance. It was a big deal release, blending campaign and book narratives and central conflict being dragon wars. So they needed to come up with a distinctly D&D dragon style - marketable, easy to understand, expand and well structured fluff. Turned out as a solid template for any kind of dragon, clear baseline anyone can make all kinds of own OCs with it. Everyone loves factions, tribes, houses etc too. Plus there were already elemental themes and templates structures and rules, like with cosmic planes later on.
>>97747764More like your standard fantasy/rpg gag comic.
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>half the thread is transgender self insert furry porn
>>97756116Ok, where? Show me 70 posts in this thread that fall into your critic. Because i dont think thats even 1/4.
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>>97756945That's sick
>>97686257>>97686265for as gay as 5.5e is these redesigns are really cool
>>97756970The Skeleton Dragon and the Zombie Dragon dont look that much different.
>>97756116I gave up a while ago. Modern audience wants them silly, relatable and anthropomorphized to the max.
>>97757752I think there are two factions. Monsters amd animals, like Dragonriders, or anthropomorphic and intelligent, like Dragonhearth.
>>97757774I find modern intelligent dragon depictions portrayed as basically humans in everything besides body and form. And animalistic dragons veer too much into zoology, speculative evolution. Concerned with 'realistic portrayal, rules. Not that both are necessary bad, but it's not what I personally enjoy and want to see in dragons. Epic, almost alien feel is often absent.I would say Dragonheart is still oldschool tho. A mythical, fairytale story at heart, that did popularize the reasonable, nice dragons a lot, sure.
>>97757912You are right that Dragonheart is still an intelligent person but in a dragon body. Than i need to make 4 categories.Dragon is like a force of nature or demon with a dragon body.Dragon is like an animal in a dragon body.Dragon is in a dragon body but acts and talks like a person.Dragon acts like a person with a human body.I can understand your preference. I dont mind any of the 4 versions. And i like to see them used.
>>97756970So, does the vampire dragon feed only on dragon blood, or blood in general?
I dislike dragons with six limbs. No, I don't care if they're actually a drake or a wyvern or a wyrm or a wurm or whatever. My setting isn't dnd, so dnd classification doesn't count, and neither does medieval English heraldry.
>>97678171>>97678095ever since paizo reected the osr, their new dragons for path/starfinder basically stratify along the lines of magical sources. paizo being paizo however and paizo being salty bitches, some of their "new" replacements are pretty blatant expysi might post some later, but across both games there's like 44 kinds so it might take a minute
>>97747722The 5 chromatics (blue, green, red, black and white) started as western dragons color coded by breath weapon and were aligned with the forces of chaos/evil for fantasy wargames. The eastern style gold dragon existed as a stronger lawful/good counterpart of the strongest (red) dragon.When AD&D was made, 4 new metallic dragons (brass, copper, bronze and silver) were added. Each faction also got their own King/Queen. The chromatics got the 5 headed Taimat as their queen while the metallics got Bahamut the platinum dragon as their king.>>97751384Got that massively backwards. Dragonlance came about in an attempt to raise the prominence of dragons in D&D as Demons, Devils and the Undead had become to most predominant high level threats.
>>97761616Since it is common with vampire stories that the 1st signs are sheeps being bitten, i guess it is just blood. I dont know if it is just satiric or humor stories but vampires cry that they have to drink rat blood because they cant find a human.Maybe the quality or nutrition in blood from a similar species is just the optimal meal?
>>97756284When I was a young warthog I read a book with a list like this, and the first one there was identified as a "heraldic dragon" so that has always been the distinction I make in my mind.
>>97761812I can understand you. More than four limbs looks more like a monster or demon than a reptile.I can live with foir limbs and wings tho.
>>97762069So pathfinder goes more like elemental naming. More like a videogame
>>97705547The characters, world building and premises are good, but the actual execution often falls short.Also the "magic system" is far too broken for the setting, so OP that the magic dragons have to be constantly lobotomized by the author.Although huge bonus points for being a full dragon focused series, well outside one extra book, but the author backtracked on humans being relevant.>>97735637They're cool.But I prefer the anthropomorphic dragon race to have wings and a tail.
>>97763737>magic dragons have to be constantly lobotomized by the author.Sounds like a typical hero power scaling problem. Make the hero strong enough to win but you have to scale it down sometimes to write a tension.
>>97757720A zombie is just a skeleton with it's packaging still intact
>>97766862Thats nice art.
>>97768824Thats what i was aiming at. The skeleton in that pic >>97756970 doesnt looks like a skeleton dragon. Too much rotting skin tissue.
>>97768908Have some more.
>>97771146Thanks, i like his art style.
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I have loved dragons since my childhood.
>>97772792Everyone loves dragons!
>>97763014somewhat. i'd say that's definitely the case for primal dragons, though even they also get named for environments, specific materials and even body parts or structures>>97762069take for example the horned dragon, probably their most explicit middle finger/ripoff. they're part of the category of "primal dragons" who derive magical power from primal magic and as such are more natural magic and feature inspired. now it has some features that insinuate it actively uses it horn to fight, but there's a lot you could have done to convey a dragon with horns and as you can see this thing...is just a bloody green dragonit looks almost exactly like oneit can move stealthily and quickly through forestsit even still has the fucking poison breaththe pettiness as tapdancing on copyright lines at paizo is sometimes funny and all other times just hampers their creativity
>>97771646>>97771667The way he does that knight's eyes and helmet reminds me of another style
>>97776954>though even they also get named for environments, specific materials and even body parts or structures. Thats what they like to do in the collectable Dragon app games.But there is a thin line between fantasy and pure fun fusions to get crazy dragons.
>>97777013It reminds me of the European funny cartoon style. Something you see in the US with Roger Rabbit or in Japan with parodies of videogames.
>>97778390Than this >>97771646 is page 3.
>>97771667And than this last page.
>>97678156>Dragons doing in your setting?They're a sort of super weapons manufactured in the alchemical sorceror-vats of The Old Realm.They are harmless if you avoid them and they mostly patrol long-forgotten borders in the wastelands.There are two kinds: Flying dragons and the land dragons. The latter are the ones you can go up to. No one has ever seen a flying dragon land. Dragons are more "set pieces" and plot devices than anything else.If someone builds a village, castle or whatever on a dragon's route, however, it will inevitably get flattened and burned.For all practical purposes they are invulnerable to anything players or NPCs can bring to bear.
>>97782153Dragons being created as guarding dogs is a good idea. I like that.And that they still follow their routine is a nice reason why they are so aggressive.Do dragons mate? If they do, do their offsprings follow their parents traditions?
>>97733485Why did you post so many? Anon already described how to find the artist, now the image limit is just approaching faster.
>>97735746Paladins of Bahamut are cool.>>97753334>artist doesn't understand economicsImagine my shock.
>>97784475Why not? Whats a thread without pictures and stuff?When there is still interest, make a new D(ragons)&D(ragonlikes)!
>>97784497>artist doesn't understand economicsI think he understands it good enough to make that picture.Just look up Cum-Ex and Dividend stripping. This was a sheme that stole Germany millions of taxpayer money. I think that this tax credit is based on that.
>>97784497>artist doesn't understand economicsIt's very accurate, especially for a medieval settings.For the longest time throughout history investment assets weren't legally counted as assets, but were legally considered a form of gambling, look up the Dutch Tulip Mania.
>>97678103Wait a minute...
>>97789871>but were legally considered a form of gamblingSometimes in the past they knew what they were dealing with. And named it correctly.>>97791266You mean the top-right picture? Yes, dont take it too serious.
>>97781308Why would a self-respecting dragon bother?
>>97781308Why does a fantasy setting have a gift card?
>>97798145Rent free
>>97799836Thats the middle finger from the dungeon master. Low loot with a dangerous guard.
Old metal dragons are peak sovl.
>>97678095dragons are cool and based
>>97800476Yes!>>97800422Not gonna lie. They look cool. Didnt knew they existed. But it seems after series 2 they got a problem and series was just alternate sculpts?Series 1 = Black Dragon, Red Dragon, White Dragon, Brass Dragon, Green Dragon, Silver Dragon, Blue Dragon, Copper Dragon, Bronze Dragon, Gold Dragon, Platinum Dragon, Spectral Dragon Series 2 = Sea Dragon, Dragonlisk, Iron Dragon, Chaos Dragon, Shire Dragon, Swamp Dragon, Frost Dragon, Wyvern Dragon, Wind Dragon, Elven Dragon, Storm Dragon, Guardian Dragon Series 3= Black Dragon II, Red Dragon II, White Dragon II, Brass Dragon II, Green Dragon II, Silver Dragon II, Blue Dragon II, Copper Dragon II, Bronze Dragon II, Gold Dragon II, Platinum Dragon II, Spectral Dragon II Classic Series = Chaos Dragon, Storm Dragon, Brass Dragon, Guardian Dragon, Moorraard Swamp, Ferindon the Wise, Wyvern Dragon
>>97800525I don't know how much it's really a problem, there were only so many D&D dragons.I hope whoever has that collection knows how lucky they are.>http://sodemons.com/rhdragons/index.htmalso has a really big collection.
>>97703098Where are those pics from?
>>97800559I found this list on the Lost Minis wiki. And this was a monthly Dragon miniature series. I dont mind that the second series. But the first series reads like they had a concept. The second reads like they had to put together what is left over. And the third just used the first list again and sounds repentitive. I like their design. Reminds me of the Dragons of pic.I just can see why it only had three series and years later did a classic line
>>97800618From the DK Book of Dragons.
Why don't your dragons look like this?
>>97801281Having a claw for a nose? Why would it?
