What's the worst -punk aesthetic? Steampunk, clockpunk, what?
>>97682900That’s cool tho
>>97682900OPpunk
>>97682900They're all shit, because they all deny their nature as fantasy, and pretend to be different from it.
The mutated and flanderized "just glue some gears on it" version of steampunk is easily the worst shit ever
>>97682900The problem with most punk aestheitc is after a while too many hipters and tourists think it's cool but try to change everything about it to fit their idea of it cause they don't like "this or that." Or just overdo the whole aesthetic of it making it cringe AF. They often do get the idea "less is more" you don't need gears on every part of the person cause it's steampunk. Not everything has to be neon and wires cause it's cyberpunk, the bigger "punks" often suffer this the most. Nasapunk and Raypunk often are less filled with tourists so you less likely to see them go overboard but still get that one fucker who makes a dumb piece here or there.
No -punk aesthetic is inherently good or bad. It always depends on execution.
>>97682900Marketingpunk. Its the current moba aesthtic of jamming all manner of jarring and incongruous shit together in garish and nonsensical ways to push out another quarter of noomber go up.Its tmnt mtg. Its coffeeshop dnd . Its influencer scripted 'live' games with product placement and references to other IPs. Its prideflag painting contest models. Its Gamer™ culture tossed into a blender of endless churn and consumption shat out into a bucket and called good. We got punked.
Gears are appropriate to introduce if they look like they have a legitimate use.
>>97683058pretty much. Corpos see "X-punk" as a buzzword and think if they add buzzwords together more people will buy it and noomber goes up. They don't care about the buzzwords outside of how much they think they can make out of it.
>>97683241Corpos and the morons who use the term "solarpunk".
>>97682900Steampunk is elegant when it's done right, but really, really easy to get wrong.
>>97683058That actually has a term: Corporate Memphis.
>>97683654There is only one Solarpunk for me.It's this.https://youtube.com/shorts/_7Wklo6B_so?si=qt6VResw_9dOc3b4
>>97683669This is the only one I accept as well. I want to see it realized.
>>97683671Same. Also there should be a hippiepunk (gay solarpunk) world that gets attack cause they in league with said gods. (Espeically if it's a game. Like starting level shit cause they're commie hippies, not like they be hard now.)
>>97683664I just called it fagpunk
>>97682900I like Steampunk even in the current year when done right.Not that "glue gears on it" meme.But I also think that taking a word and adding "punk" to the end of it is a failure on every English speaker. I get that language always evolves. In this case it took a wrong turn in natural linguistic evolution.
>>97682900Whatever is paired with electro swing. I think we should enslave people who listen to elecroswing both ironically and unironically.
>>97682900Cyberpunk works again. It didn't during the progressive era pre-2020. Now that so many countries are leaning into fascism, it makes sense again.Steampunk is lame and entirely based on a single novel (Difference Engine). It's never been more than a sub-genre of goth fashion. It's goth for fat people (Yeah yeah: goth is goth for fat people).Biopunk seems like it would be rad but again: there's only really been 1 stand-out, particularly good work to define it (Windup Girl).
>>97683728>Steampunk is lame and>Biopunk seems like it would be rad
>>97683705I agree but the idea was a buzzword most normie people would understand easily. Once Cyberpunk became a thing and Steampunk came after. All of the old styles changed their name to make it easier to sort out.
>>97683748I mean you missed some words, but more or less. Steampunk is just a fashion seen. And it's an icky one.
>>97683775I meant scene. Whatever.
>>97683778You have made a honest spelling mistake. It will be used against you to to push any opinion that you have as invalid. Also someone will screenshot this and uses it against you years down the line too. You could be right on everything and then pull it up and end everything right that just cause of that one mistake.
>>97683748wtf is this gif?
>>97683664That's more towards normification. I was aiming at the marketing of quirky safe nerds. Like planned breaks from flattening to recapture the slightly odd and sell them back to themselves as different but in a much more controlled way. Corporate Memphis is the other side of that, the loss of detail in general to smooth out the already bland.
>>97682900Solarpunk easily>>97682957You are gay
>>97684293Like I said before (>>97683669) Unless it's this.https://youtube.com/shorts/_7Wklo6B_so?si=qt6VResw_9dOc3b4The solarpunk you're thinking of is just Hippypunk they just trying to change the name like when people changed retard to the "speical abled."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK1gEWm4p7w
>>97682954spbp
>>97683775>seenLol. Get aloud of this idot.
>>97684470Gamepunk even.
>>97682900Fiction about political scandals should be called -gate-punk.
>>97684246This makes me think of all the packaging I threw out in the 90s that today I'd consider framing on the wall. How did we fall so far.
>>97683712Thanks for reminding me that's a thing, I actually love it lol
>>97682900Solarpunk.
>>97685450You choose products with ugly packaging. I choose products that come wrapped in wall-art. Simple as.
>>97684293>Solarpunk easilyI find your lack of big breasted women disturbing.
>>97682900Faggot punkWhen no-game fags post no-game threads on /tg/, but The Man is on their side and oppress everyone else.
>>97683728>Steampunk is [..] entirely based on [Difference Engine]You must be a special kind of retarded.>"Biopunk"And that confirms it.>>97684293>SolarpunkStill not a real genre of any kind. Literally cooked up by a retarded journalist in a blogpost, asking others to do things based on his shitty concept but refusing to contribute anything meaningful himself. Anything "Solarpunk" puts the cart before the horse by definition.
>>97683035What are you trying to call Dishonored?
>>97682900it's Fartpunk, and it STINKS!!
>>97688130Whalepunk?
Steampunk made a terrible mistake of calling itself "punk" since people started to demand it to be "punk" even when it really never was that "punk". It was mostly aesthetic movement embraced by the cosplayers and, hot take, that was never a problem. Arcanum is most brown/rust colored cogfop shit you can imagine and yet people love it. Girl Genius was literally genius for calling itself Gaslamp Fantasy instead of Steampunk since that kills the autistic wank about the meaning of "punk" on the name of the genre.Also see how everyone is parroting "just glue some gears on it" from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA even when video itself would probably be called cogfoppish nowadays.
>>97685450>How did we fall so far.>consumer market production of consumption realizes dumber customers are more profitable >visual complexity scares idiots >cycle this for a few decades selling it as minimalism that's about it really
>>97691019I just want you to know, yours is the only worthwhile post in this thread, and it is a phrase that will live with me forever.
>>97691298>Whalepunk>That's actually a thingWhat the fuck
>>97682900Worst is Eco-punkBest is Diesel-Punk
>>97693970the most subtle petrodollar shill
>>97682900most -punk is fucking horrible garbage and doesn't make sense. What's "punk" about a bunch of brass glued to your fucking hat? What the FUCK is clockpunk? I hate this "genre"
>>97682900Gachaslop aesthetic. You know the one, wispy anime characters with horns and haloes and animal bits and costumes with tons of frills and gilt and random gewgaws. Hyper busy design because they know they're selling JPEGs and won't even need to animate them beyond perhaps a mild tween.
>>97694203Just say you hate anime.
>>97693970The most BASED coal roller
>>97694217Not all anime is gachaslop thoughbeit. Indeed, highly relevant to this thread, there are animaes with steampunk, dieselpunk, solarpunk and cyberpunk aesthetics.
>>97682970It's called cogfop.
>>97688130Dishonored is a flavor of gaslamp fantasy - a Victorian world more focused on magic than technology (steampunk).
>>97694203The HoYocore aesthetic is my favorite aesthetic. I run all of my games using it unironically.If this is slop, then I am a pig, and I eat it.>wispy anime characters with horns and haloes and animal bits and costumes with tons of frills and gilt and random gewgaws. Hyper busy design because they know they're selling JPEGs and won't even need to animate them beyond perhaps a mild tween.This applies to VTuber models, too.
>>97694203>>97695553There have been a few threads in the past talking about gacha game aesthetics. While it depends on the setting itself in question, it would not be a stretch to call them kitchen sink settings of a sort. Here's a thread from a few years ago.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/81772595
>>97695601And even that thread is a little outdated, since it was before a whole bunch of companies started pushing out their own Genshin competitors. The HoYocore aesthetic is not just actual HoYo games, but also Wuthering Waves, Arknights: Endfield, and adjacent games.HoYocore, as a genre, also has a tendency to focus on characters who are deeply mystical, divine, or otherwise cosmic in nature.
>>97695657And now we've got a new wave of urban fantasy gachas, spearheaded by Neverness to Everness and Ananta.
>>97695722And even Silver Palace if you want Victorian period piece urban fantasy.
>>97695722>>97695730I think even these three games are heavily infected by HoYocore-isms.
>>97695722>>97695730To say nothing of the original Hoyoverse urban fantasy banger, Zenless Zone Zero (though that's more a dungeoncrawler while these newer games are explicitly open-world games).
>>97684246>10 miniatures>190$
Real question I probably won't get an answer to: Am I just not Portlandian enough for this or has this "cogfop steampunk renfaire" fashion trend been well dead and buried for like a decade now? Who actually goes to cons in top hats and moustaches in the big 26? To me that whole cogfop era is inextricably linked to the mid-Obama "hipster electroswing artisanal brewery twee fashion lumberjack beard oil" years of fake optimism. Already before COVID that whole aesthetic was massively dying down and it feels like the pandemic completely killed it. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spaces but I haven't seen steampunk fashion anywhere online but on /tg/ in years. Feels like yet another symptom of this board being permanently culturally stuck in the mid 10s, with an ever wider gulf forming between the culture around the hobby as it exists out there IRL and how it is perceived by the increasingly greying beards on here.
>>97696011It's still out there, though as you say, it doesn't have the legs it used to.
The longer these aesthethics carry on and dissolve into more and more works, the more they are diluted and watered down by reddit subintelligence flesh. Compare early Cyberpunk to the trash that gets hailed as Cyberpunk today. A good example like Snow Crash was the first crack in the wall, with people genuinely recommending something so disingenuous.
>>97682957when has steampunk pretended not to be fantasy
>>97695791The most egregious mark of the HoYocore aesthetic is when simply looking at the character is insufficient to place them in the fantasy, space, or modern-day genre.Plus, you know, detached sleeves, short dresses, legs legs legs, etc.
I can’t think less of the hoyoslop audience
>>97691407The punk part is interesting though as there is an interesting dichotomy between the lower class, the wealthy entrepreneurs, and the old nobility caught in between them. On the other hand, many sci-fi works ape cyberpunk's aesthetics, but they never call themselves cyberpunk works.
>>97691019Sir, we call it brapcore nowadays
>>97696036The biggest vidya of last year heavily featued cogfop shit, wtf you on about
>>97682900Confedora in terms of its aesthetics. Cyberpunk in terms of its fans.
>>97696118The class system certainly has potential for a "punk" story but fucking NOBODY ever does anything with it.
>>97695553That's using a lot of words to say you have a foot fetish.
>>97694203It's always overdesigned and yet somehow also too safe. I don't like it.
>>97682900Cyberpunk. The cyberpunks were originally the AUTHORS not the material. It should be a genre of gritty, chain-smoking nerds trying to one up each other's short stories.
>>97694218>>97693994i'm just a humble /m/echachad, who thinks steampunk looks better if you strip out all the faggy clothing, over designed brass bullshit, and consideration of others
>>97696046You should read Snowcradh with the same level of seriousness as Marc Lerner's Et Tu, Babe?, one of the funniest novels ever written.
>>97697467>shoulder mounted field mortarClass act, chap.
>>97695544Dishonored leans heavily into technology.
>>97682900I like steampunk more as settings than apparel.
>>97697467isn't that just Dieselpunk?
>>97697467Correct, but also >>97699099
>>97695553I also hate vtuber aesthetics so that checks out. Hair accessories and animal parts as a substitute for personality.
>>97699134V-Tuber aesthetics hail as an evolution of Second Life/zOMG's early 2000s scene where everyone named themselves some variation of Sephiroth or Drizzt with angel and devil motifs galore.
>>97699315I guess the vtubers largely avoid the ubiquitous bat and bird wings because that would block more of whatever their avatar is greenscreening over.
>>97683705Finally someone said it. 5 years ago it was like a gold rush on here for faggot OPs to try to invent the next “-punk” moonpunk, solarpunk, noblepunk. It was ai slop before ai.
>>97699099>>97699110backtrace the meme arrows, and don't fucking (you) me ever again until you learn how to read without needing a GM to vomit dialog options down your throat
Punkpunk.
>>97682900>Steampunk, clockpunksame thing really, both look the same and are SHIT
>>97697400>The cyberpunks were originally the AUTHORS not the material.No.
>>97697467Damn boy he THICK boy
>>97699099Kind of. This is a genuine steam tank armed with a flamethrower. Looks pretty similar, huh?Either way, to me Steampunk and Dieselpunk already have plenty of aesthetic bleedover and the main differentiation has always been in the themes: the less prominent aristocrats are in the story and the more villainous your entrepreneurs are depicted, the closer you are to Dieselpunk over Steam.
>>97693912You best start believing in Whalers boy. Because they’re coming for you.
>>97700938fetishpunk is unironically excellent
>>97702023The Japanese figured this out in the 90s. The corporate killsquad are all hot babes in latex with gas masks. They then went on to shape cartoons, film, and games to this day. >Characters are all hot babes>This is degrading towards women and really base, showing a lack of trust in their own creative vision when they can't rely on their characters to engage the audience without T&A>Characters are all hot babes but catering to your fetish>This is awesome, stylised, and really based
>>97695553I have an unreasonable hatred for anime style head wings and I don't know why
>>97695544Magic is super rare in the Dishonoured world (outside of the occasional nightmare), it's just that the main characters are all magic infused because teleporting up buildings is cool as fuck.>>97695544Gaslamp usually doesn't have Rods of Instant Cremation on street corners. >>97701310Daudes expantion missions are the best part of that game.
>>97701310Man I love the Whalers.. They're so cool, Thomas is aesthetic as fuck
>>97702043Hers are fake.
>>97682900I would love a raypunk system. Focusing on the intimacy a shooter feels with their chosen gun, all the different types of lasers and aesthetics for them.
>>97705646>Focusing on the intimacy a shooter feels with their chosen gunsoul eater?
>>97705651Fuck, now I am seeing a Soul Eater type thing with their gun.Though in all seriousness. I would love a good raypunk system and setting. To be fair though, would love a simple "1911 like hand railgun" with some lights over the classic over the top raygun you see in most raypunk settings.
>>97682900Solarpunk.I really like the aesthetics of it, but it was seized by political nutheads and hippies and turned into shitty tool to spread communist message about equality and other fantastical concepts.
>>97682900Crust punkIt's literally looking like gross homeless mentally ill drug addicts who never bathe or change their clothes on purpose.It's just nasty.
>>97706299The idea of sustainable, environmentally friendly living can be compelling, even if it's gussied up as some form of post-post-capitalist society or an excuse to engage in cottagecore. It's the conceit that humanity finally gets its shit together and decides to save the planet, and making that work.
>>97706299>>97707355Star Trek did it best where the eco-friendly future was built off the back of eco-terrorists getting impatient with how slow the world was in adapting to environmental concerns and starting WWIII to cull the chaff. It raises an interesting ethical dilemma lingering in the background where the only reason Earth recovered to be a paradise instead of slowly dying is because the greens decided to sacrifice a great portion of their ideals which the setting they created espouses and suffer permanent vilification in the process.
>>97706299There's no such thing as solar punk. It's a psy-op designed to keep (you) mad at things in your head.
>>97683014"Raypunk" is pure tourist because the aesthetic already had an existing name, Raygun Gothic.
>>97696011Bruh, steampunk was already dying by the time period your talking about. And it's not so much about being out of touch as it is the general muddifying of terms by producers, consumers, and commentators over the years causing definitions to expand beyond their original meaning.>>97696118>>97697094>PunkpunkLower class people trying to improve their lives through education and employment fighting against trustfund poors wrecking neighborhoods to play out their fantasy of having a hard life.
>>97707454At no point does ST ever say the eco-terrorists were even remotely correct or helpful. What pulled everyone's heads out of their asses was "Holy shit, aliens are real!"
>>97682916Fpbp
>>97691407It's called Steampunk because the genre was born from the idea that this is a cyberpunk story but in the past.
>>97702043this is not anime
>>97683014I know "NASApunk" was trussed up as a concept put forward by Todd Howard to describe Starfield, but I think Arc Raiders makes for a really good, more modern example of it, even with its post-apocalyptic flavoring. It's the idea of cassette-futurism, of the '60s-'70s era space age and a more tactile form of sci-fi compared to more sleek and holographic designs.
>>97707517Man, Raygun Gothic is such a vibe. Atomic Age fantasies about space and the future made things so colorful and with such weird attempts at sleekness.
>>97708588A lot of focus is on the post-WW2 output, but the first half-20th century Raygun Gothic stuff is pretty wild.
>>97708588Can I get some art examples of Raygun Gothic? Never heard of it until now.
>>97708967Sure, a lot of the more adventure and fantastically-oriented science fiction in the early 20th century uses the aesthetic to some degree.
>>97708967And I forgot my image.
>>97709008lmao, kino
>>97708967https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Raygun_Gothic>War of the Worlds>Buck Rogers>Flash Gordon>Star Trek>The JetsonsAmong others.
>>97709073If it's a cover of a magazine edited by Hugo Gernsback there is a 90% chance it's Raygun Gothic.
>>97682900vulvapunk
>>97707355I'm toying around with my next big setting-building exercise being a sort of skeptical solarpunk. The basic premise would be that 15 years ago, the PCs were cadre in the green anti-capitalist revolution that violently overthrew the old government and ushered in systemic change at every level of society. Means of production: seized. Corporations: dissolved. Wealth: redistributed. Fossil fuels: banned. Go down your wish-list of wet-dream progressive utopia stuff: you get all of it.And yet, despite their revolutionary hopes, the world is not perfect. The resource scarcities that weakened the old regime still exist, exacerbated by ideological constraints. Trade has broken down due to embargos from the surviving global imperialists and squabbling with other revolutionary states. A revolution that promised to share wealth with all now struggles to provide even basic necessities, worsened by a flood of climate refugees that the government seems incapable of controlling. Endless bickering factions in the Central Revolutionary Council vie to one-up each other in ideological purity, while behind the scenes power aggregates to a shadowy bureaucracy ruled by ruthless apparatchiks. The world might have more solar panels and wind turbines, greenhouses and vertical gardens, e-bikes and high-speed rail, but it has less energy, less food, and less freedom-of-travel than what came before.As a Hero of the Revolution, the PCs are entrusted with responsibility over their own small commune of this brave new world. They are the go-to fixers of the community, handling everything from complaints about the bland cafeteria food to rooting out capitalist sympathizers. They have to fight off interference from superiors, disloyalty from subordinates, and discontent from the people in their charge.
>>97702043Head wings are inherently retardedThey're never even remotely big enough to bear the weight of the animu waifu they're attached to, and even if they were she'd be bearing all that weight on her fucking neck.>b-b-but she has regular wings on her butt!THEN SHE DOESN'T NEED THE HEAD WINGS, RETARDGod I hate Darkstalkers
>>97709829>This is the most famous succubus in video games
>>97709806>Yet another grim deconstruction of solarpunk that insists the monkey's paw must curl in order to effect change for the good of the earth, assuming the changes even stick
>>97709855I mean, yeah? "Yet another" makes it sound like you've seen this a lot, but I can't think of many. My main touchpoints were New York 2140, Disco Elysium, and The Dispossessed, none of which fall too close to the main idea. A big complaint about solarpunk is that it's just an aesthetic, and that there aren't really any stories being told there.Unless you're complaining about "grim deconstructions" in general, which definitely are pretty overdone. I think it's a tough line to walk between thinking seriously about downstream consequences versus just jumping to "everything's shit because humans are shit." But I think it's worth acknowledging that major changes are messy and painful, and that well-intentioned people can disagree about substantial topics. I don't think that's just monkey's paw pessimism.
Dieselpunk is the only punk genre that has appealed to me I find the rest boring and gay
>>97711036Dieselpunk is great too. It covers the interwar period up through and shortly after the end of WWII. It bridges the gap where steampunk ends (end of WWI) and atompunk begins (post-WWII). While dieselpunk focuses on the technology enabled by the combustion engine and more robust industrialization, it often pairs with its cultural sister genre decopunk. It's not all Nazis and noir, but it does come across as a little more hard-edged at times compared to its more upbeat and whimsical older brother steampunk, even if it can still be very pulpy.
