▶Previous edition: >>97594495▶What is /gwsg/?A thread to talk about Games Workshop's specialist and spin-off games which fall between the cracks.Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, K*ll Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.▶Helpful resources (feel free to suggest additions!):https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V▶TQ: What is your specialist game of choice?
>TQNecromunda, even if I've had 14 fighters die this campaign
>TQ MESBGSpeaking of which. I will be fighting Aragorn (Strider) today. Does anyone have any tips? I am relatively new and my opponent will be playing Defenders of Helms Deep with Theoden, Haldir and Aragorn. His troops will be a mix of Rohan warriors and Elves. I won't lie Aragorn kind of intimidates me as ive never faced him before. Attached is my list.
Kill Team 4 eva
>>97687864>TQ Necromunda. I am a complete Necromunda fanboy. I do like Kill Team as well, but I suck at it. Kill Team lads, do many of you make your own terrain? Or do you mostly stick with the official terrain sets?
>>97687864>TQWarcrys just about the only one I’ve enjoyed and found memorable. I think I’ll homebrew something around the game that can brach off of it at some point. Would have liked to enjoy aeronautica but that game was genuinely doa.
>>97687864I like the idea of Warcry but I've had way more fun playing Kill Team despite it being a more WACy game
Hey guys, looking for the mesbg match play book. Does anyone have the goods?
>>97689692>make your own terrain? OrMix of both. Many teams where only available with terrain at the start so it is "If you already have it why not use it" but we still make our own terrain becasue using only official terrain is to boring. Sadly just because the rounds are so limited and how cover works, you cannot use to much/complex terrain because you would not be able to meet your opponent then or shoot at all.Also i always wanted to play necromunda but no one wants to play it becasue "it is to complicated".
What's the best 3d printer for 40k scale? I've heard that resin is best for detail, but can that do multi colors like other types?
Hello gentlemen, Guard Newbfag Anon here. Mentioned about 2 weeks ago that I am starting Blood Bowl at my work with one of the disabled fellas I care for that LOVES football. I have been going over the rules with him and so far, he's been having a bit of trouble breaking his mind out of the rules of irl gridiron and accessing the abstracts of Blood Bowl, but I have faith that he will get it with continued exposure and encouragement. I spoke to some of the upper management to see if we can't get some sort of budget set aside for him to pick out his own team to choose from for me to put together for him to paint at the table (he's still tarded so sprue cutter/xacto/glue is out of the question).Also got some Spike! Journal and Almanac issues ordered because I have really enjoyed reading the battle reports for Blood Bowl in White Dwarf.Desu.
>>97690022Resin has more details yes, no it can not do multicolor in a controlled way in one part. Filament printers are usually easier to use and maintain, cheaper and better for bigger things like terrain. But using multicolor for prints (especially models) is .... let's say useless.
>>97688129The Dwarves of Moria cinched a very very close game, winning 5-4 against a very nice opponent. I misplayed quite a bit especially around Aragorn, he is insanely good. I kind of want to start an army with him as the general now.
>>97687864Necromunda and Warcry.Love Necromunda for the crunch, the narrative of it Love Warcry because it's quick, simple yet strategic and can have 3 games in a session
>>97689943I am the opposite. When I started I felt Warcry was too simple and enjoyed KT more. I've now turned around and hate KT LoS WAAC tournament bullshit and much prefer playing Warcry
>>97690022Depends on your needs. If you want mini-level detail you realistically need resin, but if you want terrain id go fdm, the detail is good enough and its durable to the point where you can literally throw your pieces into a box and nothing will chip or scratchpic related is some fdm bits i printed at 0.16 as details for a larger piece
>>97687864>TQKill Team for me.>>97689692So far no, I've been using GW terrain (though not the KT-specific stuff, just general GW terrain) for everything up until now with one small exception being a crater I made at the end of last year. I've been looking at making custom terrain more though, because I think I could make more appropriate terrain than what I can get from GW at this point. Just need to finish my current projects and find some source of plasticard.
>>97689692if you replace the streets and cars with rubble that board becomes possibly the best necromunda piece ive ever seen.Usually the more complex boards focus on a central tower structure, or are a series of platforms on one or two walls, which while fun, are not good representations of the underhive as described.This board, minus the cars and streets of course, has a good mix of broken infrastructure and improvised "trash" that matches descriptions of collapsed domes, an uneven rubble "ground" would make it perfect. I especially like the way that larger tower structure is topped off with mismatched internal piping, really sells the broken infrastructure look rather than appearing to be a cutaway abstracted for tabletop.
>KillTeam for me, but pretty new to tabletop in general. Started playing in February.Making things is fun, mostly play with the volkus terrain at the moment. I made a crater and my mother is laser printing some trenches. She has like a 3000$ laser printer for her craft business.
>>97692403>New to tabletop>Starts with Shit TeamPoor soul, how I wish life wasn't so harsh for you.
>>97691571It isn't mine. Its from this guy's bloghttps://thenickeninja.wordpress.com/how-to/sector-03/I agree; the tangled mayhem style definitely hits the Necromunda vibe better than anything else ive seen. Im trying to mimic it now by building some multi level pieces and making a stock of walkways I can place wherever.
>>97692403Brother get into anything that isn’t kill team or 40k. They will ruin what wargames are supposed to be for you, and soon you’ll be a WAAC husk that no one other than other husks will want to play against.
>>97692403Drop Kill Team asap unless it's the only game played in your area. If you don't have any local Kill Team scene, you should definitely give other games a try. Fuck, OPR Firefight feels like a masterpiece of game design compared with the current edition of Kill Team which shows how low the bar is.
>>97687864>What is your specialist game of choice?Aeronautica Imperialis, tragically
>>97687864Haven't played Kill Team in several years, not since the end of KT21. /ktg/ appears to be dead (inshallah), so I guess I'll ask here. Is there much to learn for KT24? Can I basically just read my team's rules and the core stuff is all the same?
>>97693194KT24 is very similar, but that's also to some detriment since some rules that look similar on the surface are subtly different. Vantage points, for example, just always give cover from people below you now.
>>97693437>Vantage points, for example, just always give cover from people below you now.People had argued that in the past. I guess it's what some wanted. Kind of retarded tho.
Kill Team niggers need to fuck off back to their own general? Not our problem if it's slow.
>>97693628Sorry, there was no /ktg/ so I had to ask here.
>>97693796I'm not sure if it's regulars being averse to any change in status quo or just trolling, but it's pretty safe to ignore anyone shouting angrily at KT.
>>97693834Make your own general again we don’t like your kind here
>>97693796You're good dude. Some KillTeam chad fucked the OP's wife(male) or something.
>>97693628https://mega.nz/folder/0a10kTyb#Kro6lhFGnt9hmfuJCT3BKQHere's the kt mega fwiw
>>97687864Any BFG chads in this thread care to answer a model question for a humble 3d modeler? How long is a Chaos cruiser miniature in milimeters?
>>97694742>ChaosDon't play BFG but by 40k lore definition there are no set dimensions or form for anything Chaos, all extant minis are horrible depictions of Chaos because they are so rigidly uniform.
>>97694742Same as an imperium cruiser
Printing an empire and orc army at 1000 pts with my p2s bambu printer. So far 2 crossbows and 2 halberdiers. Next up 2 more units of halberdiers.
>>97695341>WarmasterVGH. One day I will live in a city with at least 1 other person that wants to play Warmaster with me. One day it will happen.
>>97681344there are an absolute shitload of free stls out there, just search for "fleet" on most printing aggregators. There's also a BF:G "starter kit" out there that you can find with minimal googling. Specialist Arms finally took the forums down but I believe their rules links are still up, including the 2007 and 2010 FAQs as well as some other useful stuff.>>97680565My dude there were entire battleship squadrons in the handful of naval brawls large enough for that to be a thing. Keep in mind that comms was limited to line-of-sight for a very long time. Even after wireless sets were cheap enough to be useful, they still couldn't reliably coordinate maneuvers and ranging without some kind of visual confirmation for decades. Doctrine struggled to keep up with the new technology and everyone being broke-ass motherfuckers still putting 40-year-old hoopties to sea in the 1930s.>>97687965Oldcromunda. Even if there are more recent games that blow it out of the water. Coincidentally, my most violently-hated specialist games are neo Kill Team and Necromunda, because they're designed like absolute shit.
>>97693834Ten bucks says its the same guy who spergs out about Venators in Necromunda.
Anyone got an bloodbowl advice for playing gnomes? I am so used to normal stunty teams that they seem hard to get used to. I either play them too passively or too aggressively.
>>97695939>same guy who spergs out about Venators in Necromunda.Im one of those guys and I dont mind it 2bh
Kt fags should stop being lazy and make their own thread, told them many times it's for their own good because there're quite a few mentally ill people in this thread. Maybe KT fags are like abused whores who just love crawling back here to get abused again and again.
>>97692443>>97693014What's wrong with Kill Team? Are older editions better?
>>97696453>>97693628A kill team player did fuck your gf and you never got over it LOL
>>97694742Over a decade old but probably accurate enough. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/621879.pageA few posts down there's a workable list of mm:meters you can get references from.
>>97696704Wrong with current kill team is:-Teambuilding or equipment is nearly not available, it is mostly just a blueprint with (if at all) small things to tweak at most.-Some of the rules (mostly cover and line of sight) are more hideous and complicated then they need to be and if you play them as written can suck a lot.-the game is mostly meant for fast quick competitive play, that draws a lot of toxic competitive players. (also makes any narrative play an unofficial homebrew)well that are the major big 3 flaws. many complain about rulesbloat and team rotation. Team rotation is part of the "blueprint team design shit" and rulesbloat kinda as well but also not THAT bad if i really compare it with other games and if you are not someone that really needs to know every team (you will not encounter most teams anyway) and i think necromunda or 40k has similar rulesbloat.
>>97696704Inarguably, the new version is made for mouth breathers that can't measure so they need shapes to represent units of movement, and who can't list build so they need prebuilt forces.The original version was the best, it wasn't a standalone product or anything it was just a nifty rules guide that could be applied to any edition of 40k you prefer allowing you to take models as individuals rather than squads, meant to be built at low point values.That's all kill team ever needed to be, a simple way to take troops one at a time instead of in groups of 5 with absolutely no troop requirements or contingency requirements.want a centurion sergeant, a single sternguard space marine, 2 scouts and a terminator? go ahead, they're Your Dudes.
>>97696805>need shapesThat was last edition, we are back to -" measures. That with the prebuild is sadly still true. The first edition also had issues but if you mean the one i think you mean, yes it was the best in raw idea at least.
>>97696834>the one i think you meanthe one that wasn't a product. not the one with the commanders and elites releases that had space wolves as only codex marines,
>>97696844Yea that is the one i thought of as well. It was a white dwarf article or similar right?
>>97696704It lacks listbuilding, and some rules get abused by a waacfag opponent. If you play among decent people/friends, the second isn't an issue, and the former is a shame but usually seen as a fair tradeoff for the gameplay improvement by a majority of players.
>>97690192Very nice models anon
>>97696901I do not clearly recall, I just know it wasn't standalone.
>>97697011Anon probably refereed to the ancient edition of Kill team that allow to make santa claus and big foot.
>>97697042that looks nothing like what I am recalling.I very clearly described it.>take whatever version of 40k>take models as individual dudes instead of squadsThat's it.
>>97697069Maybe you are thinking of Heralds of Ruins.It was kind of a mix of the old 4th edition combat patrol and kill team rules (the one with klaxon tokens)
>>97697011>>97697042Nah google Kill team 2004. That should be the one.
>>97697164No it was called Kill Team, thats why it is being mentioned, it is THE first edition and it was just a few pages.
Is LOTR Middle Earth: Strategy Battle Game the most LOLFAIL product GW has ever put out? I have never seen anyone talking about this game besides occasionally using the terrain for battle boards. How the fuck is the Fellowship a made-to-order limited run only product, at nearly $90?
>>97697270It was part of the 40k 4th edition core rulebook IIRC, it was the first because it was called Kill Team, but also it allowed you to ick and choose individual models from /almost/ any unit type, anything with 3 or more wounds was excluded, bikes and jetbikes werent permitted as wargear and no psykers IIRC, you also had to pick all your units from one codex, though I'm sure any reasonable playgroup would be fine with mixing allied forces.
>>97697635There was a precursor called "40k in 40 miutes" that was a white dwarf article about single squad vs single squad games that would eventually be revived as combat patrol, and the 4th edition 40k Kill Team did get addendums in a few white dwarf articles >>97697042 picrelated being one of them
>>97697270>>97697164I'm talking about combat patrol and kill team from 4th edition rulebookAs you can see in the 4th edition table of content. Heralds of Ruins was a fan made thing that basically took elements from things like >>97697042 and the old Combat Patrol and Kill Team rules to make something similar to Necromunda and Shadow War Armageddon
>>97697485GW is just making sure they still retain the rights they don't want it to revert the Tolkien estate, and then for Asmodee to make their own Middle-earth War Game
>>97697485The original release in 2001 was massive, actually. It was a flagship product for half a decade, with White Dwarfs from the time being often 50-70% MESBG features.It then petered out, joining other specialist games. They tried a relaunch in 2012 with the hobbit movies, but it didn't gain much traction. The movies being shit didn't help either.Then in 2018 out of the blue they released a new edition, which was actually very good. It got some momentum going, and we even had dedicated generals for awhile here too.But then in late 2024 they pushed out an unneeded new edition with the usual nu-GW chicanery of model-restricted loadouts and such, and the game has been on a decline since then.So definitely not a LOLFAIL, but a giant killed by GW mismanagement.
>>97696898As a wrecka main I acknowledge this superior tier list
>>97698108>Then in 2018 out of the blue they released a new edition, which was actually very good. It got some momentum going, and we even had dedicated generals for awhile here too.It was so wild to have a sanctioned MESBG leaker here. I wonder if GW was testing if 4chan is a valid digital space for controlled leaks or was it just a random employee sharing PDFs and future releases with us just for fun.
My blood bowl teams:OrcsUndeadHumansDark elves.What should I get next?
Opinions on the Firestorm? It was my go-to escort in the armada games but any time I use it on the table I'd really rather have a Dauntless
>>97698518Clearly you need some Dwarfs.
>>97698518doesn't matter, just go through the other canon 20 like a checklist, then do the secret league and/or the stunty leeg.
>>97696704It’s tailored for the lowest types of wargamers (comp fags). It’s probably the one game with a community that’s broadly worse than 40k, and that’s saying something. When you go play kill team pick up games be ready to know every rule because it attracts the exact types of people that will try and cheat you to win even when there’s literally no prize or reason to do so.
>>97697485It’s not you retard. They are doing an MTO of the older all metal fellowship. The plastic fellowship is sold normally, it’s actually sold out right now. All the MTO’s are just older metal versions of existing kits. It’s not very popular but it still is the best game GW sells rules wise.
Anyone got Bastions of Law? About to run a new campaign and of course a new player wants to start with Enforcers.
>>97699585https://litter.catbox.moe/3yky2tohsf0oq11t.pdf
>>97699585>a playerYou can always choose a gang.
>>97698790Good cheap lance choice. It gives you the movement that a Dauntless lacks.
Would someone mind posting a link for Spires of Primus? I tried the old links from January (4plebs) but they are dead now.
>>97698967I do wonder who is cashing out £400+ for the terrain in the MTO
>>97701588https://litter.catbox.moe/6y8r0gawuuezmmk2.pdf
In BFG, how viable is it to play a Demiurg fleet? I see them tucked away in the Xenos fleet roster but as I have no real BFG experience I don't know what they're good at or what their issues are. I see 3 hulls, a lot of launch assets and what looks like a lot of firepower. Is that enough to play them as a full faction?
>>97703457Their capital ships are fairly tough. The amount of them you have to take to get access to a decent amount of escorts could be an issue though. However you've got a lot of launch bays to use attack craft to knock down other ordnance.How you should be thinking however is 'i want to play a demiurg fleet' and leave it at that. My chaos fleet is as many escorts as I can cram in. It's not viable....but it's a lot of fun.Here...have my space hulk.
>>97703457So these are canonically Votann craft now, right?
>>97703670Amazing
>>97703689Kind of. Demiurg have been confirmed to be one of the many Leagues. Also the Stronghold and Bastion have been confirmed to be typical Votann ships.Pic is a fanmade design in an attempt to align the classic Demiurg style to more modern Votann.
Is Legions Imperialis as bad as it seems? Between the morale forcing your hordes of dudes to run away towards the board edge, the list building and the gimping of Knights/Titans the game seems pretty "meh" honestly
>>97704220I enjoyed it honestly, it just took a long time to play and rend was fucking scuffed when I played which made any kind of assault pointless unless you had it
Recommendations on things to buddy up with a vengeance grand cruiser? I have a dictator also in the fleet so I was thinking some combination of tyrants and gothics
>>97698790>Opinions on the Firestorm? It was my go-to escort in the armada games but any time I use it on the table I'd really rather have a DauntlessSplashing one or two into a Sword squadron is a great way to soak up a few extra roster points. They're basically dedicated ship-hunters, not so great against other Escorts. If you're planning to punch a big squadron out on the flanks to bootyblast an enemy capital ship they can definitely get work done on Lock On. Also depends on opponent - they're one of your few usable tools against Necron escorts and Demiurg but with Elves and to a lesser extent Orks or Tau they're basically wasted points.Falchions are similarly good for splashing one or two into a squadron of Swords or Cobras. You can use the single torpedo tube to pop incoming torpedo waves (or intercept enemy CAP defense to let your Cobra's torps through) and strip the fighters off of enemy bombing waves. They also have a 50-50 chance of making Thunderhawk waves go away. Problem is you basically have to Reserve them anywhere but Armageddon, and Armageddon has access to the Marine escorts for similar prices.
Took a break from painting my tomb world today and managed to (almost) fully paint the entire nu-aegis defense line set I also had in one go. I placed a banner on one piece which remains blank for now but once I decide what goes on it I'll be filling it in.I've grown addicted to making these little freehand decorations on terrain and man did I have space to add a lot of them on this set.
>>97704220It's alright, unfortunately game is more fun with xenos and chaos BS, not just Imperium gunline. And don't bother with Knights list because the fucking arnigger cost 60 for 3.
>>97704932Topped off the terrain set after today's game with freehanding a fake gold icon on the banner, probably my most ambitious freehand work yet.The game itself was a real>policeman: "YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU">Giant snake: "hissssss"of a time.
Are Space Marines in Necromunda yet
>>97707866They have been since the OG, rules there for space marines, chaos, orks, eldar, etc...
>>97707866They've been for a while
>>97703689I thought demiurg were teal alien space dwarves. What have I missed?
>>97706894Lovely looking banner.
>>97708842GW devs cant be arsed to learn the lore so it is endlessly retconned
>>97704220It's a dumbed-down version of Epic 2nd ed, which is one of the best Epics. it's not bad, the quality of the inspiration shines through GWs best attempts to shittify it. and if you like it, it's pretty easy to just move on to the community maintained version of 2nd after your demo.
>>97697485quite the opposite. to date it's the only non-sportsball 28mm game they've made that doesn't suck.
Where is the go to place for Blood Bowl results from past tournaments/leagues?
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>>97696805You're thinking about this like a player, not a marketing executive. You'll never push plastic with that attitude.
>>97711080the business model of selling miniatures is dying, the future is home production and sellig of STL's, but only if STL creators figure out that their digital works can't be sold for the same price as physical products, which they seem to be quite unclear on (hence the piracy community flourishing) if they don't the future will be freely shared STL's in a community that does it for love of it, though that model will be slower.Too many gamers have been opened to the reality of material costs and will never again spend $80 on $5 worth of material, miniature companies sell plastic literally at the same weight value as fucking silver.
These goblins are in perfect blood bowl pose
>>97711213You can get 20 models for 45 with a bunch of weapon, heads, gear and random shots as options. (This is on the expensive side mind you)Versus gw 10 models for 40.Both in plastic and I'm looking at space Nam models versus catachan models. Add 3D printing to it and it's just insane how much GW charge for their shit
>>97711213More like your sense of entitlement blinding you to everything but material costs, but that's how it's always been.
What GW's boardgames are actually good? I was thinking about printing tiles and minis for the 1st edition Spacehulk but this shit is huge and takes a lot of space on the table. I wonder if it's even worth it.
>>97713020Maybe play the games yourself.
>>97713020>What GW's boardgames are actually good?Space Hulk & Relic
>>97696982Thanks anon
>>97687864>What is your specialist game of choice?Battlefleet Gothic and MESBG
>>97714237MESBG is a mainline game, it is listed as such on the website, not under specialist games.
>>97713020Talisman is really fun if you have a 4-6 people.
>>97714237>>97714638It's absolutely a specialist game and it's absolutely KINO. The best game GW still sells stuff for today. Nice guys btw.
>>97714839Cope
>>97714638Then surely it would have its own thread?
>>97714941They cling to us like kill team fags because they arent numerous enough to maintain one.
>>97713020I would like to say blackstone fortress because i had fun with the game but it is aktually not that good.
Any other fans of Embergard/Spitewood here? I love it.
>>97714638>MESBG is a mainline gameNo, newfags.
>>97714638You are an elemental of Dunning–Kruger effect.
>>97715442>Rat with a bomb on its backI lol'd
>>97718074Tik Tik is one of my favourite parts of the warband lol
>>97715442>mold lines and contrast sloppaIck.
>>97718411>No models postedIck>>97715442I want to try Spitewood but no one to play against :( I will probably just get it for the models at least.
>>97718480Nice models you posted.
>>97718727I didn't criticise another anons painting while refusing to show my own models, did I? But can (You) guess who did? :)
>>97718739Really, nice models you're posting.
>>97718760My point exactly.
>>97718937Nogames admitted, GTFO
>>97719083>Nogames admitted>Shows no models nor gamesIronic.
>>97715442Game seems fun but I've a load of UW I still play with mates so see no reason to switch desu
>>97719108This is a you first deal. No reason to flex for something you can't do yourself.
>>97697485>Is LOTR Middle Earth: Strategy Battle Game the most LOLFAIL product GW has ever put out?That would be Blood Bowl, Legions Imperialis, Aeronautica, Titanicus and Necromunda, pretty sure more people still play LOTR than all of those games combinedAnd no, contrary to what that one resident retard here says, the new edition did not kill it at all, quite the opposite
>>97719249>Doesn't realise he started this>Refuses to realise he's the problemLol ok buddy
>>97719262You made the demand, gaslighting faggot.So nut up or shut up.
>>97719377>Bro criticised someone's paintjob>Bro didn't show his models>Bro somehow doesn't realise the irony hereLolOk buddy
>>97719449Thats not how criticism works kiddo.
>>97711213what did you fall asleep in 2016 and just wake up? the 3d print exodus happened, you missed it.>>97714839>he best game GW still sells stuff for todaytechnically they still sell stuff for epic, even if it's not branded as such
>>97687864>K*ll TeamCould it be that you are purposefully trying to annoy people? That's not very sociable of you.
>>97719602>Deflection LolOk buddy
>>97719659Yea with this it is harder to find you way here if you look for kill team but now that the seperate threat is up again it is aktually better so they are less likely to accidentally end up here.
>>97715727God I wish that was me
Got my hands on some oldhammer metal Imperial dwarfs of all kinds, as well as two slayers, and I’m planning on making them into some Mordheim Treasure Hunters. Any tips on making them viable while retaining their Imperial-ness?
I'm looking for old Blood Bowl books, anyone have recommendations on where to look to download them? I've been wanting to dig more into past Blood Bowl lore.
>>97726010There is only the one omnibus.It is terrible.
>>97726020I found a repository of stuff and backed everything up for my own usage: https://files.spawningpool dot net/docs/Vault2.0.-.Card-board-and-miniature-games/Board%20games/I think it's got most of it at least up to 2016.
>>97726081Anon said books and lore, meaning novels.
>>97726721Lore also exists in the rulebooks.
Are Orcs a viable army?
>>97730429>viableDepends, do you play with fun people or waacfags?
1 Dauntless and more escorts or 2 dauntless in an imperial fleet?
>>97730502I want at least take half the enemies army points as win points.Be able to make the enemy fear my fleet approaching.
>>977319052 Dauntless. You get more hull points and nice lances.
Can someone tell me which page of the Necromunda rulebook talks about taking Cool Checks/Tests?I know it's a 2D6 test vs your CL stat, but I can't for the life of me find the page where it actually says this.Many thanks anons.
>>97722462Puffy sleeves and floppy hats.
Recent paint job I'm pretty happy with. First time trying oil washes and Maxx darth paint. This Gyrinx is probably never getting used for its actual profile but I want to use it as a venator/psyker proxy of some kind.
>>97737176If i am not mistaken you are looking for page 73, where the caracteristiks of fighter are are also the infos "characteristic test" stating how to roll dice for the different stats.
>>97737599...are you going to finish painting it?
>>97737707It's a negative glow effect
>>97737769No it's a monocolor drybrushed mini, you've put more effort into the base
>>97737827I must have went too heavy on the black drybrush then.
>>97738611A) OSL does not wrap around cornersB) trying to sell a "negative" glow requires you to paint the model normally and only try this on the tailWhat you have is a lazy mess otherwise. this is the basecoat to a slopchop, nothing more.
>>97739490I was trying to attempt this specifically.
>>97739499See how this only works because there is a gradient? if the whole thing was uniform black like yours it wouldn't.But you can only use this gradient like OSL, anything the light wouldn't logically touch must be painted normally in normal colors.
>>97737674Right you are, many thanks. Straight up retarded that there's no entry for "How to take a cool test" in the entire length and breadth of this book.
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did they remove the blood bowl videos from warhammer+?
Has anyone got the pdf for Bastions of Law?
>>97746403https://litter.catbox.moe/79wjsrxj37tng3if.pdf
>>97746421You're a star, thanks for sharing anon
do the gangers on the escher cutters convert well with anything?e.g GSC bikes, possibility of easily swapping the torsos and arms on those to the torsos and arms of the cutters?
>>97746798The GSC bikes the bike is a separate thing from the body.Except one arm that is part of the handle and the pedals that are part of the feet.
>>97708842>I thought demiurg were teal alien space dwarves. >tealDon't happen to have a sauce on that do you?I always thought the only thing we knew about the appearance of the demiurg, prior to the Votann retcon was this concept art...
>>97750790...and this prototype/3-up head sculpt
>>97746798I've been wondering the same.
>>97739637I'm having trouble imagining how to approach it. My initial idea is painting it normally, then drybrush/edgehighlight the gradient where applicable, then add in white pinwash. Do you have any recommendations?
Stupid question; Has anyone made a servo-skull prop out of a T-800 skull?
>>97754442T-800s aren't real
Someone post EVERY book ever
>>97758578already on /t/
>>97758611This statement is false.
I want to start a space marine BFG fleet. What chapter would be cooler, the Mortifactors, Charcaradons, or Howling Griffons?
>>97758769Nyeheheh
>>97704220It's good. Morale effects are great. What is your complaint about troops actually fleeing when their morale breaks?
>>97760713The morale effects are the best part of LI. There's other aspects that are clunky and the balance can be off, but units fleeing is a refreshing part of the game.
just started up a necromunda campaign with some matesmost of the gangs we've brought to the table look pretty fluffy and fun, but one guys gang is 1 leader and then 10 or so identical generic gangers with the same gunI am not looking forward to playing him
>>97761744Get the arbitrator to punish him
>>97761744Sounds quite boring but also stupid. But if you complain about his list tell us more about yours (and what Gangs are you all playing to begin with).
>>97761803the other gangs are goliath, cawdor, genestealers and escher, all pretty much with a leader, a champ, 2-3 gangers and 2-4 juvesthe guy playing the 10 identical dudes is enforcers and giving them all concussion carbines
>>97762019That's the meme magnacle build that came up after the latest book. doesn't look very strong. He was cheeky but people need to chill.
>>97762019>not talking about own gang and list at allNgl sounds like you just heard of this meme list and wanted to vent about things that never happened.
>>97761744Regardless that's 10 chances of you rubberbanding XP from the start
>>97762194its less the mechanical weight it carries (though getting spam blasted/pinned doesnt sound great) and more the lack of spirit in the constructionthough I guess I can chalk that up as palantine uniformity in universe if I need to cope
>>97758578>>97758611>>97758769But no really where can a poorfag get the books? I know about Necroraw but I want the books
>>97763003search the archive, its been posted many a times
>>97758611>>97763003>>>/t/1281575
>>97764266>Only Necromunda post is an empty folder
>>97763003here's somehttps://mega.nz/folder/UvgX3CLB#ArpJzxU-mDimTRKGZ_alXw/folder/s74AVSyB
Silly question: I know necromunda has genestealers but... Are There poxwalkers?Asking cause i would like to custome some poxwalkers to make them look like the ones at darktide.A friend of mine recently got the cawdor gang to custome them as a "zealot" gang and i though it would be fun to get poxwalkers for a custome campaign kek
>>97768180There are no official rules for poxwalkers but the neat part about necromunda is who, who cares. They could count as zombies/infected. Or just basic models of a Helot Chaos Cult Gang. Or any other gang that fell to chaos.
>>97768180>>97768213To add to that you could also use ash waste nomads or other models to add models from the cult of admonition to that to get a more proper gang and add more to the projekt.
>>97768180I have vague memories of some kind of plague zombies being an option in the og necromunda
>>97768180It's outcast mutant pretty much.>>97768352Yes there're zombie in oldmunda for Scavvy that existed so "that guy" can be "Le master trole" and grief the whole campaign. They're 10 credit for D6 zombie, they're complete dogshit but they can move pretty fast, you can spam dozen of them for dirt cheap, and they gave people AIDS.
>>97768180Hive Mortis, the dedicated Zombie Hive, was supposed to get an expansion along with Hive Secundus (genestealers) and yhe space station orbiting necromunda. It will probably come in due time
>>97768180Theres a scenario called meaaaaaat which has npcs which are flesh eating cannibals. They arent exactly poxwalkers though.
>>97771226>and yhe space station orbiting necromundaThe Eye of Selene? What about it? It was meant to get an expansion?
>>97771226didnt the last book end on the note of "the imperial fists gave the planet 100 days to stop fucking around or they're gonna kick their shit in"?what happened with that?
>>97772126Nothing ever happens
>>97772251hive secundus has fallen, billions must be purged
>>97772126>didnt the last book end on the note of "the imperial fists gave the planet 100 days to stop fucking around or they're gonna kick their shit in"?Can I get a rundown on this? I'm woefully behind.
>>97772536I think a TL;DR is>lord helwmar gets assassinated>planet goes into a succession crisis>multiple things happen with lady credo, haera helwmar, prophet of redemption etc>eventually pic related shows up>he's from some ancient long dead house or something>takes over necromunda>imperial fists tell haera and her brother that they have 100 days to get the throne back under house helmwar's control otherwise they'll deem the planet as in active rebellion (as they're not paying any tithes during this crisis)> turns out lord helwmar didn't die and kal jerico has his body in a stasis casket
>>97772810That's... underwhelming
>>97772126>what happened with that?Nothing happen, Helmawr was "dead", but then he returned and continue to rule Necromunda like nothing ever happen.The only things that happen is that writer's waifu OC Haera aka the bestest gurl eva' has saved the day, saved the planet, defeated the bad guys, even acquired the legendary limited edition super spyrer suit that's tailored made for her and sit waiting inside Secundus for grab!!!!!!! And she's the equivalent of an Idol in real life, where her legion of fans (which included the writers) thrown themselves to protect her and handed her free shits (like plot armor and the spyrer suits)
>>97730429TLDR: Yes, but you have to not give a *single* fuck and play aggro. The 2010 and 2002 FAQs both changed which Ork ships are the "best". 2002 was the badly-needed Carrier Nerf that imposed launch caps. It also gave Orks the option for 60mm bases on kroozers for easier boarding and some anti-Nova capability, in exchange for being a much easier ordnance target). 2010 made Escorts only pop on a 4+ instead of a 2+ when you hit them with boarding torps and Assault boats, so Orks have to rely more on their guns to deal with enemy escorts but theirs get tougher. Your firing arcs suck, Heavy Gunz are dogshit 99% of the time, and some days you just roll badly. Orks are surprisingly mobile, but hard to coordinate and extremely vulnerable from the rear. They also have absolutely brootal boarding Squadroning is extremely important for Ork cap ships, they have serious LD problems and need to pool firepower to avoid their allies' blast markers. The Clans list is the one that actually has all the options, the other two are sort of relics of the development process.With that out of the way: >RoksNeat and easy to make with garbage, some support firepower. Melt instantly if anything looks at them sideways>HulksDeadly as shit, your only real long-range support option, they still don't last long if a few battery ships get into range. Can only be played in 1500+ point games, so not for Raider forces>BattlekroozersMixed bag, they all kinda play to different fleet compositions. Making your own 'Ammer is still a very good idea, especially with Looted Lances (a Clan upgrade)>KroozersTerror ships are slightly better as escort support, both are okay>Lite KroozersAre nearly as good as a Dauntless. Same general mission. Get a couple, remember to disengage when they get shot up. Klanz only>EscortsAre insanely dangerous, especially Brutes/Grunts. You also get free LD and extra ships if you have enough ships per squadron, and Orks can squadron up to 10 ships
>>97695967If you can’t score with gnomes you are absolutely retarded, foxes make scoring stupid easy. So I assume you suck at defense. Keep the trees central and don’t move them to avoid rooting. Screen with the gnomes to prevent your opponent from breaking through. They will pick one side to avoid the trees. Keep screening hard and start to work the trees to their flank. You saved your RRs to keep them from rooting and doing a couple GFIs to close distance. Crush them into the sideline. Turn 8 you can try the guard+cage dive shenanigans but you shouldn’t need it.
New Riders of Rohan
Not to be brash, but where do people turn for Man ’O War proxies now that the go-to-files got taken down from the purple site and the verse? I’d like a handful of smaller ships for my Mordheim island-hopping game.
>>97768180Mutant gangshttps://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/gangs/gang-lists/underhive-outcasts/mutant-gangsBrainleaf zombie statshttps://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/battlefield-set-up/badzones-battlefields/generating-events#brainleaf-outbreakRulebash those two until you are satisfied with your poxwalker gang.
>>97777481Firelock games make 28mm ships for Blood and Plunder. That may help.
>>97777481https://firelockgames.com/collections/shipslink
So where are the MESBG PDFs these days? Do I need to use the PDF share thread?Wanted to look at stuff from the latest edition.
>>97773096I've been saying this for years. 40k is a setting where stories happen.GW tries to move the story forward and they notice they would no longer have 40k and quickly return to the statues quo in some shape or form.Why they keep doing this? No idea, since the fucking setting has 10k years worth of stories that can be told. WW2 lasted like 6 years and we still haven't run out of stories and spinoff stories to tell, but some how 40k need to push the story because 10k years is not enough! and as result we end with this underwhelming stories were nothing happens.
>>97780039WW2 keeps going in (((media))) for revisionist propaganda reasons, every time a particular battle gets a new movie or documentaey, changes are made.If you look at documents from people who were major figures in the war like Patton's journals or the gigantic 5 volume memoir by Churchill you won't find a lot of shit we're "taught" (indoctrinated) in school, like ANY mention of a holocaust.
>>97780113Used WW2 as an example, but look at an any historical wargame, they have been doing the same shit for decades
>>97780126It's my impression that historical systems are a revolving door given they don't have as wide an audience as fictionals, so new entities doing tgeir take on tge same old battles, eh?
>>97687864>TQRight now it's Battlefleet Gothic.And speaking of Battlefleet Gothic, if I wanted to run a campaign consisting of a naval invasion of a system and then battle for control of planets in that system, what edition of 40k would be the best to pair with BFG? Logically it would seem that 4th is the best but if any anons think different I would like to hear it.
>>97781473>BFGI will not start a new project for a game I don't even play until my current two nogames projects are done.Seriously. I will resist.
Begging for any of the following.Necromunda Hall of the AncientsNecromunda ApocryphaNecromunda Rulebook (2018)Necromunda Core Rulebook (2023)Necromunda Hive WarNecromunda Hive Secundus
>>97775141I like them but they probably come in 2 bajillion pieces and are thus inferior to the 3 part old sculpts
>>97771515We don't know. This was from an old Necromunda article on Warhammer Community. I think it got purged along with a lot of other articles
>>97781742I gotta tell you, it's the most fun GW game i've ever played
>>97781473>Right now it's Battlefleet Gothic.Why on earth would you want GW to touch it when it's entirely playable in its current form?
>>97783055Uh anon the TQ is what is your specialist game of choice
>>97783082Apologies, I mistook this for /AWG/ in my tabs. I retract my foolishness and will leave, embarrassed.
>>97782195the old sculpts are bad
>>97783100happens to the best of us
>>97783014When my needlessly large Escher gang is done and sitting on the shelf to only be stared at.
>>97782854It was mentioned from one of the con during year 1, back then they don't do online preview, but powerpoint presentation at con and you have attendants reported it back through social media.
Bought some soul at adepticon
>>97785244>epic 40k>soul
>>97785244Soul can't be bought, it isn't a product, it's something that comes from community and creativity.
>>97786791>Soul can't be boughtIt can, if you find someone retarded enough to sign a pact.
>>97783055>>97781473GW will never touch BFG. Because the model count per game match is lower than any otherspecial game they have. Now factor in that most fans already have their ships. So the miniature selling is very low.The production costs are too high for them and the profit too low to sell the models anew.
>>97782854>Democratic city stateHow does that work on Necromunda?
>>97787191Uh-huh, but back to reality, anon is just a nostalgia whale.
>>97787468The same way it does in reality.A fake and gay gaslighting illusion to cover up rule by central banking shadow oligarchs.
>>97787468Its the former spaceport, and it pisses everyone else off. But they're rich enough (and well-armed enough) to stay afloat anyway
>>97787422They keep shit like Necromunda and Underworlds around so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
>>97788627Ots guaranteed because if they dont it eventually goes public domain, which is why fucked with blood bowl
>>97788627Necromunda and Underworlds arw a different beast.1st: The minis are compatible with 40k/Fantasy2nd: You get more character or hero feeling with different powers and with Necromunda more options to build a mini and maybe buy more.3rd: You collect some additional teams or groups. Not just one army.Thats why GW can keep them around.
Found a unicorn.
>>97772126Does this mean Space Marines are eventually going to be playable unless the succession plot gets resolved in that timeframe?
>>97791616Already playable. Plus already resolved, read Spire of Primus
Love Warcry but would like some more terrain sets.Are there any good sets that can be 3D printed that any of you have used that are fun to play on?Ideally a different vibe to what exists, like non ruined buildings, ancient ruins etc would be cool
>>97789706Not really, no. An Escher upgrade sprue? Another rando Elves warband for UW? Even MESBG got new Rohirrim. Don't make me laugh. Those games sell like ass compared to the mainline games. However, it's not just about sales for GW, they want players in their ecosystem, maybe they'll give the big games a try if they are exposed to them long enough.Reanimating stuff like BFG or perhaps Mordheim would add another piece of the tabletop miniatures pie to their portfolio. Also what >>97788781 posted, it's only a matter of time. The new Spearhead set might be them testing the waters for Mordheim.
>>97788627>UnderworldsHey that game was good until they bombed it with the latest edition. >>97792312The new Spearhead set might be them testing the waters for Mordheim.Heavily doubt it. Mordheims Mordheim. The closest they got to it was, and likely ever will, is with Warcry.
Was Rohan always so heavy on the leather armor? It's kinda gross looking honestly.
>>97792380>MordheimNot rules wise obviously, but looks wise at least.
>>97792420>check old riders>they're all wearing scale or mailGuess that answers that
>>97790271Looks more like a bird. Maybe a goose. With a spike on its beak.
started a necromunda campaign with some mates last weekend, really liked the game we played to starthelps that one of the guys is really invested, nice to have someone leading it instead of having to push it
>>97791819Could a fine gentleman share a link to Spire of Primus? I'm late to the party and the previous ones don't work anymore for me (-_-')
>>97792312Everything sells like ass compared to 40k. Even AoS sells like ass compared to 40k.I think more that 40k or Fantasy/AoS players buy the other games to get special minis for their army. Spearhead and all other similar games are a variation of Space Hulk and Mordheim.
>>97792271For 3D prints I like DarkFantasticMills stuff for Warcry but a lot of it is just different flavors of ruins.
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>>97793778May your blade remain sharp and your gun never jam, anon.
>>97793762I looked them up and their kits are sick. But a bit pricey. We've got a 3D printer for the group so we're thinking STLs so we can buy a set and print multiples
>>97793418While someone is sharing, anyone got the core rulebook?
>>97793778Does the d/ indicate Dropbox or something? I tried adding this to a mega url and got nowhere.The retarded thing is, I have a physical copy of SoP, I just like searchable PDFs
>>97795942gofile
>>97793762Finally game friendly terrain. Most terrain makers go hard on details and don't think about playability. Now if they would only fix that Europe shipping price.
>>97778474Those are some fiesty prices. My te-egram exploring has yielded nothing as well. Man O War bros its over.
How does the dominion battlecruiser play like?
>>97787468Limited suffrage. Similar to greek greek democratic city states
BFG and Epic AdeptiCon dump inbound.
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>>97800657First game was against an all Ork Escort fleet
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>>97800808And that's all I got. Gonna take part in it next year, Epic that is
>>97800648Extremely cool anon, I recently got into Warmaster and Epic Armageddon and I just love the scale, feeling like you're controlling an actual army over a wide battlefield, shame there is no scene in my area whatsoever
>>97799709>How does the dominion battlecruiser play like?Nobody really uses it because it's Bakka-only and it's competing with three other, better battlecruisers. That said squadding one up with an Armageddon in a big game is fucking horrifying, on Lock On they can routinely hulk a cruiser from 45cm and delete entire escort squadrons. It's 500 points, tbf, but still scary as shit.
>>97692443>>97692955>>97693014What the fuck was this response? I'm playing last edition of KT, which me and my gaming buddy like, are these random spergs or is new edition hated? I am not the anon they replied too.
>>97803515>is new edition hated?Personally I disliked it the moment it moved away from 2018, after that it just became more and more prone to enshitifcation.
>>97803515No one who likes KT21 dislikes KT24 I'm fairly certainBut mostly there's just a lot of hate for KT in general, probably either because it's closer to mainline 40k than most specialist games or because it's still the new kid on the block if I were to guess
Aeronautica bros are you excited for that new cartoon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QGmkYbypZ0
>>97803564I would have liked all the effort and money put into the animation into the actual game so it wouldnt have died like 6-7 years ago?
>>97803527>>97803515>No one who likes KT21 dislikes KT24 I'm fairly certain But mostly there's just a lot of hate for KT in generaltrue but the rest is rather meh. in short it dissapointed everyone that liked listbuilding and with the newer handholding and competitive focus (and shitty cover rules for anyone that takes them too serious) it created a rather toxic community. the hype piped down so the community is not THAT bad anymore but the hate still remains.
>>97803572Big refresh coming trust me
>>97803581>trust meno
>>97803581Is it still handled by a retard that failed a 3 second google search?You know, just Ctrl +C > Ctrl +V the old rule and called it a day would have been faster and better.
>>97803564Look like girl boss imperium wanker fiction to me.Look like the same fuckers that did animation for Kill Lupercal. A story about one of the worst Titan Princep (also a girlboss) i've ever seen. She shown her absolute brilliant mind in the trailer by firing her Macro-Gatling Blaster full tilt at a group of ground marines, because of course, Gatling Blaster, known for being extremely limited in ammunitions, are the right weapon for that scenario. Not the vulcan bolter that also happen to be armed on that titan. It's the last titan on Terra and my princep is a retard, the animators are retards, we're absolutely fucked.Also GW wrote some wanker shit for new AI with Taros 2.0, Imperium kicked Tau's ass and took back Taros!!!!! OMG!!!!
>>97803515KT21/24's removal of meaningful list-building turned a lot of people off from the game and the designers hyper-focus on making the game appeal to tourneyfag types has over the years cultivated an extremely rabid fanbase who blindly screech any time anything negative is brought up about the game. Go on and say you think it would be cool if we could mix and match units and wargear in the KT thread. See how many responses you get seething about the mere existence of KT18 and how having to follow cookie-cutter builds prescribed by GW rather than getting to customize and tailor your team to represent /yourdudes/ mechanically makes the game far superior, actually.
>>97803961I like kt21. So is it just the same complaints about 24? Cause yah list building was cool, but the game is what matters most and it plays well.
>>97804006no, thats not what matters most.if i say we are changing basketball to just a single coin flip to determine the winner, thats a better game. more fair, less injuries, less chance of rigging. Does this make it a better game? Fundamentally changing the nature of a game makes it worse at being that game. KT18 was about /your/ elite squad. GW would prefer a board game or chess, where the newest squad is the best so you keep buying and it can be perfectly fair for tournaments. You can say you prefer the gameplay, but its a worse kill team
>>97694742I actually measured one today for a friend asking the same thing; it's not in millimetres but it was almost exactly 4 inches long from prow to rear stern.A very respectful lengthm let noone tell you different
>>97804006>So is it just the same complaints about 24?In broad strokes the core rules stayed the same between KT21/24 but I'll give you the TL;DR about the changes>Pros- made the cover mechanics less obnoxious- removed the shape measurement nonsense- added co-op rules>Cons- removed the compendium, it's now "bespoke" teams only- made planned obsolescence a codified part of the game, the oldest teams are rotated out of support/sale and after a certain grace period are not allowed at events- removed campaign play entirely- balance changes have made marine teams king for basically the whole edition so farIf you liked the previous version you'll still probably like the new one, it was basically a refinement of the existing rules. The edition changeover just didn't do anything to address many peoples problems with KT21, so the same complaints persist. >>97804170 alludes to the issue; KT as a concept has existed for a couple decades now and the last couple iterations of KT don't really capture that concept - KT21/24 are better games than KT18, but they're "kill team" games in name only.
>>97804246Tyvm. Sounds like I would like the new edition. I don't give a fuck what tournament trannies do (no offense to tournie trannies in thread) and me and my gaming buddy stopped using compendium lists after getting our first few bespoke teams.
High Elf Spike pdf anyone?
>nu-kill team is just the fallout 4 and 76 of kill team editions right down to people defending the sloppification by coping that the gameplay is better
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>>97804413You're just the Epic 40k/WHFRPG 3rd edition of 4Chan posters.
>>97804443Anon is saying that Current Kill Team share the name of the older versions, but in practice are totally different games like the Original Fallout vs Fallout 4 or 76.I mean older Fallout humanity was rebuilding already and shit like bottlecaps was just a stopgap before proper currency was could be made. By the time of the events 4 happen bottlecaps should not be in use and more of the wasteland should have been rebuild or at least some explanation why the fuck this guys are still stuck.
>>97799709Never used them. It sounds good a carrier with long range lances.>>97802909>Bakka-OnlyDo people really use those sector limitations? I say every ship is free to use in any game as you please. Sectors are just a storytelling device to present new ships.
>>97800743>>97800724>>97800715>>97800665>>97800648This is cool. I like those area clouds with some stand in models. Thats a cool idea.
