Previous thread:>>97640959>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Goblin King Games, Lucid Eye, Mantic,North Star Military Figures, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat,Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>TQGames you've collected and haven't given the attention you should.Bonus question: When did we start putting the previous thread link at the top? Have we always done this and I'm just losing it?
>>97696667You are definitely losing it.Also we need to prune the list of companies and games for the thread OP pasta Fucking CMON still on there? Warcaster? The Batman game?Some of these ded unc shits gots to go
>>97696705It appears to be top mounted for several years at this point. Updating the OP makes sense to me, probably worth taking a thread or two to make a draft. What's your proposed new OP?
>>97696705Theoretically the Batman Game is still alive... although you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise. Hell... how many times has All Quiet on the Martian Front died and been brought back at this point? Twice? Three times?Then there's the Halo Fleet Wars game, it's dead officially, but 3d printers are keeping it alive, sort of.
>>97696705We had a long shitfit once when the op was changed so that OPR was on the top of the list, accusations of shilling etc. we're thrown around casually. Now it seems like we almost never discuss the game after 3.5 shat the bed and killed the momentum the game had.
Looks like Dragon bait miniatures will continue for a bit longer. He said his doctor changed his meds and the neuromuscular degeneration symptoms are slowing. So the Kev adams and david Soderquist stuff has a home a little longer
>>97696918That's good, I always liked the stuff on that site. I hope the plans for his ranges are finalized and announced before his final closeout.
hello lads>>97696847OPR was shilled here by the creator, was it not?I'm talking back when /awg/ started he was in here
>TQBLKOUT, I bought a box of models and shelved em to go play Warhammer. Just played my first game with my buddy though the other day and it was really fun, niggas drop like flies and the game runs quick. Definitely planning on buying more models in the future.
>>97698121Seems like a poorer, stupider version of infinity with even less variety than that game, which gets shit on for half the factions looking the same
>>97695998Yeah it does, i have a cosair force.BUT i like the robot crabs/spiders of all kind.
>TQQuar, oh would i love to play Quar.>>97696918i really fucking hope so, i was going to by THUSLA DOOM but it's all sold out.
What would be a good sci-fi skirmish system to run some Helldivers scenarios?
I haven't played in over a month and Firelock is probably my favorite wargame now as it hits just the right mix of fantasy and realism.
>>97698567What kind of scenarios do you have in mind?
>>97698291Fills a niche for scifi Operators Operating Operationally without aliens or magic powers.If you see Souf Affaas with Titanfall robots fighting Wagner Group in exoskeletons and don't think "this is the coolest shit ever" you've probably already been filtered.
>>97698587I've never played it but I love the lore and art for this game. It just hits a very good spot in my heart.
I played another game of dropfleet 2.0. TTC are a mongoloids with the number of different changes they keep throwing at this edition. The structure of a fun game is still there but they're trying their hardest cover over it with new ships and untested rules. Has anyone experiment with using the old activation system with the new rules? I think the grouping of battle groups into ratings was significantly more enjoyable in planning the turns orders than their retarded alternating activations
>>97698694That looks like a clusterfuck tbqh
>>97698702It kinda is. It was a larger game, but the game wants you to track ship energy spikes, damage, strike craft deployed, dudes deployed on the ground and command points
>>97698868Does it not feel bloated?
>>97698646Something that lets you do simple attack and defend scenarios would be helpful, rules for fortifications would be awesome. Also if it evokes the hyper mobile and escalating nature of helldivers battles that would be cool, but more niche.
>>97698567i think a guy is actually making a helldivers TTG.
>>97698931Fuck yeah, you know where?
>>97698973I saw this on youtube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKNRuqK2JcAnot much other details than that.
>>97698906It certainly takes awhile to complete a game especially since it's been a while since I've played. Not too many spaceship games out there, so I may be a bit more forgiving. Dfc has a number of problems but I do like its focus on securing dropsites over smashin each other's toy space ships. Probably around the same clunkiness as bfg, not as streamlined as armada. Still have to try a billion suns, void admiral, and b5 wars
>>97698980>>97698973NVM, here it ishttps://finalstandgames.com/democracy-drop-troopers-game-overview/
>>97698992Love your PHR colour scheme btwAND I SEE USS BEEEEEEES is there.
>>97698992Fair enough then, I wish you the best in your game testing
>>97698694the removal of battlegroups/the activation system was massive downgrade, and i consider it the worst change of 2.0. i don't think it would take that much to simply jam it back in; a few changes to the deployment rules and reverting to 1.0 list building rules would probably be sufficient.
>>97698467>Quar, oh would i love to play Quar.You should, it's fun.
>>97699093Does it use cards to activate?
>>97699121Not exactly. The cards are for creating an uncertainty about how many activations the currently acting player will be able to distribute among his models.Because of this I just use a few tokens in a bag with numbers on one side instead. The card format isn't really important.
>>97697462>>97698467Honestly it sounds like he got scared by a diagnoses and panicked
>>97699224Doesn't sound too bad. I just dislike situations where you can;'t activate everyone.>Oh no its the fog of war>It's to represent the chaos of battle>Not everyone can clearly receive their ordersgross nasty bleh
>>97698682It has a lot of cool stuff, including tactical machine elf stealth bombers dropping low yield nukes
>>97699263Yeah, it's kind of like that, a small "twist" is that there are 10-11 cards/tokens and a round only ends once they were all drawn, until then it goes back and forth taking turns with 3-4-5 actions in each. So basically every model can be activated in a round... Also there are models that can make a group of models do x or y around them.But I understand why someone wouldn't like that.
>>97699355It's a shame, because I absolutely love the Quar models. I might pick some up for Planet 28 or something like that though, because they really are awesome models.
>>97699367Hell yeah. Cool little bastards
>>97699246>Dave Soderquist to take ownershipship of the line he'd sculptedWell, I kind of expected that, but its nice to hear.I hope the Otherworld stuff can find another new home.
>>97698587>>97699328>Dog booty warrior 20pts.>Strategic stealth jet 2.5 Dog squads in ptsExpencive dogs or shit jet, call it.
>>97699004>AI generated rulesetLmao, did the guys who made Pillage do this one?
>>97698449The terrain alone look sweet, how is the game
>>97701315The Zeniths basically just a delete button for a couple units its kinda a meme since the game punishes parking lots.
Quar anons, is it possible to play the game with just the core rules if i don't intend to use vehicles, cavalry or ordinance, or is it like warhammer where core rules are just babby's training wheels and you have to learn full rules before playing with other people
>>97701865You can play with just 2 squads of 10 infantry having a firefight.
>>97701865Hey does anyone know where can i find beetle shepherd mini? is it still in production
>>97701865>is it possible to play the game with just the core rules if i don't intend to use vehicles, cavalry or ordinance,yes, the free core rules are the same as in the full book, the latter has those extra things as you mentioned, missions and new fluff/setting bits afaiksome say that tractors and heavy weapons are testing the limits of the basic 300 pts skirmish format of Clash of Rhyfles and are better with scenarios set up with them in mindI don't know, I haven't used them yet>>97701912zombiesmith store for physical product or myminifactory for stl file
So with more and more people posting painted Damned stuff, it made me think: The Mauler looks kinda stupid in my opinion, but from what i see and read, it goes together quite well, without any obvious gaps or other issues. This gives me a lot of hope for future vehicle kits from WGA.
>>97702787It's absolutely retarded looking and its hilarious people spend premium money on what looks like $5 toy car that's been converted for wargaming
I think the hull gun is silly otherwise looks okdunno the price however
>>97701674Maybe I should try it.
>>97702914Its biggest benefit is that it gives WGA experience in making vehicle kits. Besides that, its just a box, similar to the Rhino. Nothing special, or fancy. But it works for a ton of settings and uses. Looking at it, i could see potential with a turret as an upgrade, instead of those top hatches.
>>97702787>>97702931I agree, the hull gun is my least favourite part. The front should've been symmetrical.
>>97701315One unit is a T2 infantry unit which basically gives it light vehicle armor that can kill any infantry or vehicles it gets up close to easily, the other unit is a one shot 20T nuclear bomb delivery system with a 6 inch radius. You'll have like 100-400 points in most games. Here's something that is actually worth its points, you can dump all 4 of its ammo on rockets into a 4" barrage that is basically justasgood as a nuke and its got a 50 cal equivalent HMG and in this game HMGs are totally viable on everything outside of actual tanks.
>>97702787>that Achilles sigil.I would lock shields with you any time.
>>97701734No clue, i've only played MAC attack with it so far.also i'd be playing "knights" compared to the ordinary forces
What's a good sci-fi/fantasy crossover game? I want to play something with my brother but he's mostly been collecting WH40k while i've been buying frostgrave and dark age historical stuff. I've seen cool rulesets for fantasy and for sci fi but not one that let's me easily use both.
>>97703873What tech level are you looking for?
>>97703883High enough to represent his Chaos Space Marines, so power armor and chainswords and bolters and such. Meanwhile none of my guys have guns.
>>97703918Xenos rampant has militia rabble and primitive infantry unit options.
>>97703918Heroscape comes to mind, maybe another anon knows of something better suited.
I'm looking for a single player game on the simple side that is fun to play. know any wargames?
>>97703923I'll look in to this, seems neat.>>97703929Fuck my brother and i used to play this as kids actually lol. Maybe it'd be fun to play as a nostalgia trip.
>>97703489Do you play this game? I was wondering how well it works on a smaller table than recommended. Maybe even just halving all measurements, bases, ranges and all
>>97704208I've played on custom made maps at 100 point levels which is great for smaller sized maps
>>97703873Are you looking for bigger battles or like ~10 minis each side at most?For the latter you could try Space Weirdos, Xenotactics and Brutality Skirmish
>>97704241Sweet, I might try printing some small houses, or crafting some and hills myself to try it out.I really like the combined arms idea of play and it looks like this game might do that alright
>>97704277It really has the best feeling balance of infantry and vehicles in terms of how both have their advantages depending on terrain. Also the hidden unit aspect can be fun if you're a fan of deception and mindgames.
>>97704260Squad-sized is what i'm going for yeah. I'll make sure to read through them and see if i like any
>>97703337>WGA >experience Brother, Tony Reidys entire business model is churning out a large variety of slop at a very high speed. WGAs models is basically flinging tons of shit against the wall, some of it is bound to stick. That doesn't mean it's a fine art that gets refined over time
>>97704313Weirdos is pretty simple, but fun. The dice system it has is great. There is an online warband builder too made by the community. I recommend the community made expansion Weird Millennium too(also included in the online builder, just have to mark the checkbox).Xenotactics heavily builds on reactions and positioning. Also you activate all your models one by one and roll after each to see if you keep being the active player or give it over to the enemy to do the same. The more actions a model does the harder the roll gets.I actually haven't tried Brutality yet, but it seems to be able to do what you are looking for.
>>97703873>40kuck brother My condolences
>>97690687The good news is, Dream Pod Nine made a game that's basically exactly what you want. The bad news is, nobody buys it so you have to wait for a geriatric Quebequois to cast you up your models and drive them to the post office across the border.https://store.dp9.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=137_115>>97697473Not *the* creator, but one of the people on the team, yes. Rather relentlessly for a few weeks. They eventually backed off and lightly glaze it whenever it comes up, the people who dislike it have said their piece, it's not really worth restarting the whole shitshow over again.
>>97702787Its retarded design and for the same price or less you could buy actual modeling kit in relevent scale or some Mengsk monstrosity.
>>97703337>Its biggest benefit is that it gives WGA experience in making vehicle kitsIf they use it to make shit like this it would be better if they did not make vehicles at all.
>>97704984Yeah the archon wolverine tank is a better design. Or you could just buy some 1/48 or 1/56 vehicles and convert them.
>>97705849The Wolverine is a tank, and not a wheeled APC. Its not bad looking, but still remains a tracked tank, while the APC can be a transport truck, a construction site vehicle etc. I think it has more flexibility. 1/48 and 1/56, especially the later, look like tiny clown cars next to 28mm figures. It never looks good. Besides that, and this is probably a "me"-issue, i can never unsee the Tiger, T-34 or whatever was the historical base model of whatever sci-fi conversion was built, and it adds to the bad looks.
>>97705932Fair enough. 1/35 then? I haven't converted scale model kits for sci-fi, but I've theorized that one shouldn't use WWII vehicles, but instead more modern ones, like from the BTR series. See attached image for reference.
So CMON ASOIAF is completely dead?
>>97705953white minis and vehicles are 28mm (so roughly 1/56). The other models are old 1/35 kits I've considered converting. As you can see they're huge.Might still work though, especially for 32mm figures
>>97705953Yeah, they are easy to get too.For warhammer knockoff shit the best if afforementioned Meng with their chibi tank line.
>>97705982
>>97705977I think 1/48 kits would be a good compromise for 28mm? 1/35 is too big. I think another issue here is that as most of us started with Warhammer that conditioned us to massively wide vehicles. Real tanks, ifvs and apcs are much narrower and somewhat longer if I recall correctly.
>>97705983Though the best lemon rus and chimera knockoffs I saw were made by auntie Vicky.
>>97705986It really depends on an individual vehicle and your concept for it. You can just as well grab 1:350 scale warship and put threads on it.
>>977059531/35 is probably better indeed, but still.. i could not unsee the BTR. I guess, for someone who does not recognize it as a RL vehicle, this might look like a generic sci-fi apc. The bolter at the front looks just as stupid as on the WGA Mauler above tho. >one shouldn't use WWII vehicles, but instead more modern onesI would say.. depends, but as a "hard" rule i would try to avoid the most common and obvious tanks.. so no Panzer 4, Sherman, etc and rather use scale models of more obscure or even prototype vehicles.>>97705977Always depends on what type of vehicle you want to create i guess. Just because modern soviet tanks are rather small in RL, your conversion does not have to be a similarly sized vehicle in whatever universe you place it. You could say that T-35 is a Landkreuzer-type tank, and use it next to 15mm or 20mm figures.The issue with the scale models are often the hatches, and other pieces that clearly tell what size of models were meant to go with them. Your unpainted 1/56-ish tanks might work next to those smaller minis, but if you put them next to Stargrave Troopers, the hatches would look comically small.
>>97705987These are good, but there are some strong contenders with Mortian and Nate Feyma. >>97705986>Real tanks, ifvs and apcs are much narrower and somewhat longer if I recall correctly.Absolutely. That results in a 1/48 T-34 having a similar length as for example, a Leman Russ, but only half the width. A 1/35 T-34 is just as wide as the Leman Russ, but almost twice as long. But at the same time, the chunky Guardmen could not enter the 1/48 hatches, but fit into the 1/35 turret without any issues (or hatch modifcations). While Northstar figures are generally a bit smaller than GW, they are still quite chunky, especially the armored stargrave guys. So the quest would be to find a RL tank, that is rather small in RL, but just big enough in 1/35. Good examples for this are the T-26 - Its problem is that it really does not look like a sci-fi tank at all. It fits for 40k, and trench crusade as well i guess, but not for anything with a sleak, modern, sci-fi style. And sadly modern military vehicles and trucks tend to be huge, in comparison to the early WW2 stuff.
>>97706020>The issue with the scale models are often the hatches, and other pieces that clearly tell what size of models were meant to go with them. >Your unpainted 1/56-ish tanks might work next to those smaller minis, but if you put them next to Stargrave Troopers, the hatches would look comically small.I'm not concerned by this. 28mm minis are generally very exaggerated proportionally to make details stand out. I have some 3D printed 28mm minis that have actual real proportions and they're very thin and tiny. Borderline impractical to play with. Vehicles can be much more exactly scaled, but then they look off compared to the minis. In the end entering and exiting vehicles physically isn't a concern I have when playing and as long as it's roughly the same scale it will blend together in actual play.
I heard forever that the mantic Basilean swordsmen were one of the worst, ugliest kits ever. Honestly the pictures you find on google agree and its hard to find any by hobbyists.But I got them finally and I have to say bad promo shots and paint have done it again. They go together dead easy and look really solid to be honest.They could do with more bits but it is an affordable kit.I added the dagger to the side. And cut off one hand that was empty to put it on another arm to get the angle I wanted then added the scabbard. I dig it. He looks cool so this kit is vindicated in my eyes. Also the shields are very over the top and clean, but space for free hand/livery is nice and I chopped this one up and it looks battle damaged.Its not amazing with posing or detail but its more solid than expected
>>97705977fukken nice type 74, love that machine
>>97706160How they look together, geniunely cool and the dynamism is minimal, but there, purposeful.
>>97706174The rest is passable but the shields need to go and they are in need of reposing.
>>97706225The shields are definitely the sorest spot. Just too big and plain. It dominates the model because it obscures all the actual detail with something very flat and too fantastical, for sure.
I've been away for like 6 months and there's not been a single Wargames Atlantic' Classic Fantasy Battles release during this time. Is it dead? Or are they trying their hardest to kill it?So far we have a superb orc army, a dwarf army with giant tambour for shields and 1 (ONE) unit of skelly. Who's going to buy into that miserable range? Not me that'a who.
>>97705982>>97705983Those are cute.
>>97706251Elves are coming at some point with this aesthetic
>>97705987Looks like the kid of a Chimera and a Vickers light tank.
If Chibi Tanks has a BMP, that’s pretty much the chimera.At least in the beginning.
>>97706491I hate when >ElvesIs just regular menCan't make them noticably long and lithe?
>>97706491>Elves are coming at some pointRight after three kingdoms chinese.
>>97706491Not great, not bad, good base for Elfs but it lacks something than screams ELF.
>>97706491Thanks. If it's a full force I'll be okay and buy an elf box with an ork one to match it. If it's another single unit type box like their bonelords they can fuck off with this scamming policy + dripfeed combo. I'm not spending $20x3 per army when it started as $35x1 per army.
What's this guy's deal I don't see him anywhere in the app but the assassins are still there
>>97707105>What's this guy's deal I don't see him anywhere in the app but the assassins are still thereHe is just that stealthy
>>97706020>i could not unsee the BTR.You say this like its a bad thing. >>97706043>>97705953There's an old site where someone posted a decent amount of scale comparisons between 1:35, 1:48 and 28mm wargame stuff I found helpful to look at. https://pbase.com/hammerbolt/vsreais
>>97706160>I heard forever that the mantic Basilean swordsmen were one of the worst, ugliest kits everThey were talking about the old kit, which you don't have.
>>97707105More like blubberboss
Looks fun. Sell me on it.
>>97707364Well, those swords on the minis he posted are some of the worst designs i've ever seen.
>>97707591>convince me to like a thing I already think looks fun mans apply yourself a bit, go read about it and come back with an idea to discuss.
>>97707591Little replay value but cheap and fun for a while. Perhaps they'll support more more in the future, then it might get some replayability.
>>97707591Not much variety, gets a bit repetitive
>>97707591Too small, I would simply swallow my opponent's models
>>97707105Available to mercenaries as a command attachment. But only them.
>>97707237This is very helpful. Thank you.
>>97707591Wasted on me and I'm a small scale enjoyer. They announced it at the perfect time, slept on it until James Workshop announced it's own Epic rererererelease. Somehow James managed to deliver on it first too, so by the time the Warpah starter box was out all the momentum had died already.I took one look at the released product and decided it looked nothing original, just "let's shrink the boys and put more of them" when they could have used larger bases to create a more massive effect. Those vehicles outgrowing their base is a pitiful sight. Looks like tokens. But it's most certainly a me thing.
>>97707817That's very annoying but thanks
>>97707591I disliked the kickstarter, which was treated like a maybe-you-will-maybe-you-won't preorder. I don't think there's a great deal of variety in the "starter" box you've shown. I dislike the orders and command phase, it's in all Mantic games and it's a singularly nasty bump in the road. You could have the best laid plans and someone just out-orders you because they got better command rolls. I dislike stratagems because I dislike them in general.Broadly speaking, I think the game is weak. It's not bad, per se, just weak. >>97707714
>>97698121I really like esthetics of BLKOUT but I cannot abide products which are exclusively produced by 3D printing without any at home printing support.
>>97708035Seconding this post
>>97708066I waited, bitterly, for over a year for Guildball to get digital support and now im mad at the outrageous cost.
>>97708035Thirding this post. Especially with them being produced only in US and shipping being what it is to EU.(or at least last time I checked)Although I think they do have some similar style stls available, but not for the proper teams or something like that.
>>97708035Fourthing this post. 3D printed slop being sold is fucking unacceptable.
>>97708005>>97707987>>97707714>>97707672That is a real shame. The game looked tempting but if there's no replay value it's kinda pointless to get into :(Thanks anons!
>>97708187Imagine listening to non verified /tg/tardsJust watch and read reviews anon. Awg has a bit of a mantic hate boner anyway, you should listen to actual reviews
>>97708707You're a /tg/tard, why should he listen to you? Why should he not listen to /tg/tards just because a /tg/tard says no to. Do you not see the irony?
>>97708819I have the high ground because my statement implies he should listen to none of us (unless they verify they actually played the fucking game which won't happen) and instead listen to people who have the models and have played.
How does a wargame have low replay value? the variety of scenarios is only limited by your imagination. What?
>>97708897I have a feeling people are just seeing that the units are lacking in variety and not thinking about the fact their favorite games tend to have had a decade of unit adding and scenario tweaking.
>>97708904I count like 10 distinct types of units for each faction in that box. Maybe it's because I mainly do historicals but to me that is a lot of variety. I've been playing medievals and napoleonics for years and years and those have 3-4 types of infantry, 2-3 types of cavalry and maybe artillery depending on the period. You can do a lot with just that and I don't see how it'd be any different for a scifi setting.
>>97708866Don't listen to this /tg/tard.
>>97708866stfu /tg/tard
>>97708897Low imagination largely. That being said, there could be other factors like a lack of mission variety or aids for making campaigns that while don't make such activity impossible, don't act to encourage more gameplay. Historicals have all the historical conflicts to draw on for material, and while scifi and fantasy gaming can also draw on those conflicts as inspiration, and should, it seems like this approach is becoming less common over time. Other option is bad design that has fairly specific units being the best choice in all cases enough that it cuts down on game variation.
>>97709039IMO if the game sucks you still get a bunch of small scale scifi dudes to use for any mini agnostic scifi game you'd wanna play
>>97709074When they did the reveal video the models they showed looked amazing and generic enough for anything as you say. It looks like a real time strategy game in real life with so many unit types at that scale.
>>97706599I would say chibi tanks fit Orcs.
Can you use the mecha-hitler from Wolfenstein 3d in konflikt 47? How is that game anyway? I like the pulp elements and seems like the plastics are of decent quality too. Might pick up that nachtzehrer walker tank just for painting.
>>97710924It'd gone majorly woke recently. Do with this info what you will.
ok managed to play some starcraft yesterday and despite losing it was pretty fun. Having not printed out the cards it was sorta book keep-heavy and remembering all the protoss psionics and double checking what upgrade allows for what kinda bogged down the flow a bit. Also roaches being sorta viable charge troops is fucking weird on top of not having any surge.
>>97710926But you can't have a pulp WWII game without a mecha-hitler! It's preposterous!
>>97710934We always have Mecha Hitler But never Mecha Churchil smoking a cigar bolton onto a low flying spitfire. Why is this?
>>97710926Its completely irrelevant to his question. Old edition, or the new one: He could always use a mecha hitler miniature as a proxy for whatever "leader in power armor" rules the german army list provides
